Did Dumbledore Belong in SLYTHERIN? (+How This Impacts the Wizarding World)
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2023
- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today, we’ll be discussing the many reasons why Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, famed Headmaster of Hogwarts and former Gryffindor student, may have been more well-suited to Slytherin House.
As fans, soon after Harry Potter received his letter of acceptance and we were first introduced to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, we also learned about the magical institution’s four founding members and how they decided that the student population would always be divided into four houses, which would represent the characteristics and traits most valued by each of those founding members. As the majority of you watching this will already know, the four founding members of Hogwarts School were Godric Gryffindor, Helga Hufflepuff, Rowena Ravenclaw and Salazar Slytherin, with the corresponding houses being named after each of their surnames. And while later instalments of the series eventually focused on students from the houses of Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw, the beginning of Harry Potter certainly had a lot more emphasis on Gryffindor and Slytherin. What’s more, there was a very obvious dichotomy presented between the two, with all of the protagonist characters-aka the “good guys”-being Gryffindors, and all of the antagonists-or “bad guys”-being Slytherins. From Harry to the compassionate and friendly Weasley family who helped him find Platform 9 and ¾, and the world-famous Headmaster Albus Dumbledore, everyone who was presented as good and heroic in the first few years of Harry’s time at Hogwarts was a current or former Gryffindor student. By contrast, each of the BADDIES that we met during Harry’s first few years were all Slytherins, including the bully Draco Malfoy, the cruel Professor Snape and, of course, the most evil wizard to have ever lived-Lord Voldemort. And who could forget what Hagrid told Harry before he entered his first year at Hogwarts:
“There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin. You-Know-Who was one.”
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There’s one issue that bugs me about Voldermont and I wish you can make video on it Why was he never adopted considering the fact that many orphanages at the time had babies adopted out because muggles prefer infants who they can raise as their own as they see fit. According to the caretakers at Voldermont’s orphanage he was an easy baby who never cried that much another bonus in making him the ideal baby to raise. If he was adopted and raised in a loving home by muggles how would that have changed his outcome. Also touch on why there’s no foster care system in the wizard world to have magical children cared for in the magicalWorld if there are no suitable guardians.
Dumbledore is not a pure-blood and does not belive in pure-blood superiority therefore, would not have been place in slytherin (the only 2 non pure-blood slytherins were still supremacists). Salazar Slytherin believed that only pure-blood wizards and witches should be allowed to attend the school and all slytherins in the book series, as far as i can remember, share some kind of prejudice towards non pure-bloods.
Sharing the beliefs of the founders is also important fo the sorting, thats why for example Luna is a ravenclaw while Hermione is not, even though she is the smartest she is not open minded, wich for Rowena was just as important.
To be honest, I would not be surprised if Dumbledore came close to being a Hat Stall between Gryffindor and Slytherin
I think he could have been great in all 4 houses, he'd fit most in Ravenclaw, Gryffindor or Slytherin with Hufflepuff being the least likely, but I do think he was most likely a hat stall.
At times it felt like J.K would ignore the house system for the sake of the story she wanted to tell.
She wanted all Weasley's to be in Gryffindor despite the fact that it made more sense for Percy to be in Slytherin. He was very ambitious, even disowning his own family for the sake of his career.
There is a theory that the hat will also look at what a person values . Like wormtail isn’t brave at all but he valued bravery in others .
@@tictac-bl4sogreat comment! she’s mentioned this before in a journal interview, not specifically about Albus or the Weasley’s, but about the pillar characters of HP as a whole- minus the kids currently at Hogwarts of course.
"Bee in your bonnet Dumbledore?"
"I wonder, if you sorted me in the correct house?"
Dumbledore had the most powerful position, in charge of the minds of tomorrow. That's more powerful than Minister of magic, etc
Merlin was one of the first Slytherin students and he turned out to be the greatest wizard in history. I think Dumbledore would have turned out the same way.
He exhibited the traits of all four Houses to extremely high degrees, but his ambition was higher than them all
His ambition wasn’t higher than his wisdom and bravery (to ultimately do what’s right) because he spent the majority of his life making constant choices to curtail his ambition for power, and that was also symbolised in him turning away from and defeating Grindlewald. Then spending the majority of his life as a school headmaster when opportunities to seize power presented themselves to him; someone whose most dominant trait is ambition would seize it.
If his ambition were more prominent than his bravery and wisdom, he would have made other choices and followed Grindlewald’s path to the end. Slytherin though, I agree, is the most fitting house for his adolescent / early life. In a sense, the sorting hat may sense the trajectory of a person’s life because neither an adolescent Dumbledore nor an adolescent Neville Longbottom (who became brave over time) were obvious Gryffindors from day 1.
My guess would be that a Slytherin Dumbledore would be not much different then Gryffindor Dumbledore but it might have had an effect on „the other side“.
Dumbledore would be way acquainted with the typical Slytherin families and it could have weakend the loyalty of some towards Voldemort. Also it might have speeded things up - Regulus Black who surely had more then average mistrust in Gryffindors even for a Slytherin - could have tried to ask Dumbledore for help with the horcrux instead of trying it alone which would have given Dumbledore an advantage as he would have known for sure 14 years earlier that Voldemort has made a horcrux and he would have known for sure he made more then one after Harry destroyed the diary.
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You make very good points. I agree that he shows many more traits of a Slytherin than a Gryffindor.
I think if he had been sorted into Slytherin than Hagrid wouldn’t have told Harry that every wizard sorted into Slytherin went bad because he respected Dumbledore too much. And maybe there wouldn’t be as much in fighting between the 2 houses at school
When I first thought of the Wizarding houses, I thought of course each was chosen because each student already had the traits of that house. But there were students who seemed mismatched.
Percy Weasley
Hermione Granger
Neville Longbottom
Ronald Weasley
To name a few.
As I watched many Harry Potter Videos, I came to a different conclusion:
These students had the potential for being in any one of the houses.
"But where to put you?"
I think the hat put students in the houses that the students needed to _learn_ the traits of the house they were in.
Percy already had ambition, smarts, and hard work.
Hermione already had smarts and ambition-and no one could say she didn't work hard. But she had her scared moments like not going against the rules, not standing up to Malfoy, and dithering about how to light a fire because there was no wood ("are you a witch or aren't you?")
Neville always was considered a scaredy-cat.
Ronald Weasley didn't seem to me to be very brave, either. He was scared he wouldn't make it into Gryffindor like his family all did, and he displayed fears in different times that seemed unlike a Gryffindor.
I think that students were sorted into houses that would teach them what they didn't have. Even Draco. Even his father said with a sneer that he hoped Draco would become more than a common thief. He had a lot to learn about ambition.
I'm down with this theory. My own interpretation was that the sorting hat could see qualities that weren't apparent on the surface -- Neville and Ron had an inner source of strength that only became apparent in extreme situations, Luna was smarter than everyone around her assumed -- but your theory ties into Rowling's larger theme of choices being more important than a person's "inner nature."
Someone being scared doesn't make them not brave. It's the opposite, in fact. Bravery is doing something even though you're scared which exactly what Ron did.
You are assigned to the house that will help you achieve your full potential. That is the primary requirement. That does mean that certain traits will be more aligned to each house but is not the deciding factor.
Dumbledore isnt supposed to be neither good nor evil. Dumbledore both visually and thematically represents the norse god Odin, which partly is the God of strength through great adversity.
When I was a child reading the books I forgot the line saying he was Gryffindore and assumed he was Hufflpuff in the later books I noticed the Slytherin come out more and started seeing him more suited there. People could argue that it was Grindelwald influence but I don’t think so. He definitely had the traits of all the houses and it’s what you pick up on. Yet I think he was less Gryffindore than the other three. Yet that’s my opinion.
It's a good point. In the series, we see him as an intellectual (Ravenclaw), very cunning, ambitious (Slytherin), resourceful and hardworking (persevering to get achieve his goals) (Hufflepuff). We hardly see any evidence of daring and hot-headed bravery unlike Harry or even Hermione.
He never acted cowardly. He stood up for Harry against the minister and the whole wizardgamot, he fought and didn’t run from Voldemort at the ministry of magic and he avoided really hurting anyone as he resisted from being taken to Azkaban. I think he’s just too smart to be hotheaded and I think he is definitely brave.
He was a Gryffindor, through and through. Everyone on earth shares different traits, but the house is the one that shines through. Some of his actions may not have always been pretty but his intentions were rarely, if ever, self-serving. Gryffindors can be ambitious, hardworking and intellectual too
Agreed, definitely Gryffindor
The question that might be relevant for the plot is if Dumbledore was sorted into Slytherin who would be head of the house when Tom Riddle was at Hogwarts, Dumbledore or Slughorn? And if it was Dumbledore would it affect Tom's relationship with either of them?
I actually think that Dumbledore is such a complete wizard that he might have been a four-way Hatstall.
A slytherin Dumbledore might have not been able to handle the sword of Griffindor so freely.
I think while Dumbledore was sorted correctly. The hat looks at what drives someone at their deepest core. Dumbledore may have been extremely ambitious in his youth, but what drove that ambition? Power for its own sake or a sense of right and wrong? Personally I think it was the latter. That doesn't mean he still couldn't have gone down a dark path. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In Dumbledore's case, it took a tragedy of his own making to see the folly in his actions. Someone driven by ambition for power at his core likely wouldn't have given up that ambition or possibly even recognized the folly of it. Despite Dumbledore's flaws, his recognition of his weakness for power and his conscious actions to avoid it suggests he wasn't driven by that ambition at his core. He was more likely driven by a sense of right and wrong making Gryffindor the correct house.
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I’m not sure why ambition was regarded as such a bad trait in Harry Potter. Extreme ambition like the kind Voldemort showed can be awful, but people having ambition is generally a great thing
Awesome as always thanks
If Dumbledore had been sorted into Slyverin, he would probably have gravitated to Harry who had convinced the Sorting Hat he was also of that house. Perhaps Harry would have gone into the same house more willingly, even if Ron had still told him about the house.
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Gryffindor is not immune from pride and desire for power. Godric taking the Goblin sword.
Dumbledore did not want to force muggles into submission, it's close to that, and that's Rita's push, but not his actual thoughts. It's what he and Grindelwald argued over. Once again, you've misinterpreted the books....
Love this ❤
Here's another question: How would Voldemort be if he had been raised by Merope? Or how about her father or brother?
Dumbeldore is one of the few individuals who possesses traits of all 4 houses. He is humble and cares for all creatures, like a Hufflepuff, he is cunning, resourceful, and yearns to prove himself like a Slytherin, he is highly intelligent and has an unquenchable thirst for knowledge like a Ravenclaw, and he takes great risks and shows immense bravery in his defiance of both Grindelwald and Voldemort, like a gryffindor. The reason I think he is a gryffindor is that, deep down, his primary trait is self-sacrifice, loyalty, and belief in other people. Although, it is totally plausible that Dumbledore could have been a Slytherin. I’d like to believe he was a hatstall.
I think one way it would or could have affected things is that Hagrid wouldn't have been able to tell Harry that Slytherin was such an awful house knowing Dumbledore had been in it. (Because of course he would have known.) This might possibly have led to Harry ending up in Slytherin as well, because Hagrid's such statement had a major impact on Harry's own refusal to join Slytherin. And as you've already explored on this channel, Harry ending up in Slytherin would have likely had a major impact on the story.
I think it would have made no difference, materially. Think of it from a writer's point of view. Dumbledore needed to be the scheming, calculating mind behind Harry, & Newt in order for the story to come out right. An author has that power to mold her characters in any way she wishes to serve the story.
This is a great video and makes wonderful points about the possibility of a Slytherin Dumbledore, but the thought of Harry’s guide and mentor being a Slytherin is 1) kinda skeevy and 2) would’ve raised doubts in Harry regarding Dumbledore’s motives and loyalty. A Gryffindor Dumbledore offers an unspoken bond of trust between them and Harry never doubted Dumbledore.
I think a Slytherin Dumbledore would’ve considerably changed the storyline as Harry examined motives behind Dumbledore’s tasks, instead of blindly trusting him.
Wish they're was a film about the founders of Hogwarts I've been curious on how they met and founded Hogwarts despite their beliefs
an argument could be made that he wanted to be in slytherin because Merlin was and albus wanted to be either Merlin 2.0 or greater than Merlin. BUT slytherin probably didn't accept any half bloods like Albus till Tom Riddle because the hat might have sensed the connection to Salazar but not understanding the connection. Albus always hated slytherins and was biased against them because he was butt hurt for being rejected
The argument I've heard for Dumbledore being a Gryffindor is that the Sorting Hat often prioritizes a person's values and latent traits above their most obvious strengths so that they can develop in the right direction. Even with this in mind, I don't think it makes Dumbledore a Gryffindor as he didn't show any sign of valuing chivalry and courage until long after his schooling was over. All throughout his youth, ambition and cunning reigned supreme for Dumbledore, and he still showed these tendencies for the rest of his life. I believe that Dumbledore was a Slytherin through and through but he's an example of how childhood sorting doesn't always hold up.
"You know, I sometimes think we sort too soon."
If Dumbledore belonged in Slytherin, I think the Sorting Hat would have placed him in Slytherin. Just like Harry was placed in Gryffindor because he asked not to be in Slytherin. If Harry didn't ask for that, there is a good chance he'd have been placed in Slytherin. The Sorting Hat took his request into consideration. It could have done the same for Dumbledore.
There's a great series by Super Carlin Brothers called "What if Harry was in Slytherin?". I highly recommend watching it - it is so entertaining and it also makes sense. They put so much work and thought into their story, it's really admirable.
I was sorted into Slytherin but the test is biased imo. As a military veteran, I am willing to kill or* be killed for a cause. However that's because I have empathy for others and would never be able to sit idle while others suffer and die. If given a choice, I'd be a Ravenclaw because I'm very curious and love learning. Unfortunately the sorting quiz doesn't take choice into account. Perhaps that is why Dumbledore was sorted into Gryphindore, his choice. It is the greatest power any of us have.
Griffindor or Slyhterin is still the antagonist of the story not villain. Harry has to overcome Dumbledore's plans to survive.
What song was played in the background in the first 3 minutes?
I always believed that Rowling missed on a great opportunity for moral depth when she didn't cast Dumbledore in Slytherin. Dumbledore has always been drawn to power and glory, certainly in his youth (ergo when he got sorted), and he couldn't even shake it off afterwards. Even his 150yo version was still avoiding power because he didn't trust himself with it, that's how much ambition and power-hunger were rooted deep within him. Not only it would've made a lot of sense to have him be in Slytherin, it would've allowed the series to explore how the two greatest wizards to have ever lived, coming both from the same house, ended up on two radically opposite moral positions, and would've shown how much free will and individual choices are more important than background and where you came from. It would've provided a much more beautiful and nuanced moral message than the black & white version we got instead.
A tiny pebble may make a small ripple, but that can become a wave
I got a question,
If voldemort split his soul 8 times, he would have 8 different parts, im assuming it goes half, then half again, then half again, resulting in there being 0.004 of his soul in his body, given the more u split your soul the weaker you become (kinda) coudnt someone split there soul 8 times, then through remorse get the first horkux back giving you 0.504 soul in your body making you alot stronger. My question is whether would effect anything given u still have 6 objects tying you to life yet your soul is mainly intact.
IMHO He had traits to be in any house. I could also picture him as a ravenclaw of a hufflepuff (not so much maybe cause other traits were more prominent)
He was brave, ambitious, smart and loyal from the beginning til the end. brave, always up for any challenge, ambitious from the ambition being the hallows or defeating the dark wizard, loyal to family, to his friend and ultimately to his cause and all the people he love and the world... no need to comment about his cleverness. He would fit in all 4 houses.
I disagree that Slytherin Dumbledore and Griffindore Dumbledore would be the same. I think that Slytherin Dumbledore wouldn't be able see fault in his lust for power. Even if he started with good intentions, he would have tried to gain more and more power to combat Grindlewald and Voldemort. And eventually he would fall into a dark path.
I don't believe a true Slytherin would give up power like Dumbledore did.
I love when he says the butterfly effect I immediately thought of the movie the Flash and Spiderman no way home. Both of these movie exhibit the main character changing one thing about their life and effecting the entire universe. The whole movie is then of him trying to correct his mistake and restore balance but never really achieving that in my opinion because the main character is still an unhappy boy in the end lol
He didn’t set Harry up to sacrifice himself. He set Harry up to believe he had to sacrifice himself. Trusting in the deep magic of Lily’s sacrifice, which Voldy connected to himself, to save Harry. If Harry had known, it wouldn’t have been a sacrifice and wouldn’t have worked. Dumbledore never planned for Harry to die, just to believe he had to. It’s very manipulative and Machiavellian still, but that is a distinct difference.
But with that said, I do agree he seems to be a strong fit for Slytherin and that likely little would have changed
Wasnt Albus a Hatstall between Griffyndor and Slytherin???
Slytherin Dumbledore would've fought Gellert and Tom with his Slytherin friends, and friends from the other houses.
Not all slytheryns are evil I mean Peter was grfindor and was evil there where some bad grfyindors as well but sadly just like news it's biased views on slytheryns but there is still good slytheryns
drop the butterfly theory and put in the ripple effect
Had Dumbledore been sorted into Slytherin my one fear would be that he may not have taken his responsibility for his sister to heart as much as he did .. he himself stated that ambition was his Achilles heel -- in a house where it meant so much more would his younger self have put his plans aside or would he have figured that he and Grindelwald's destiny for the greater good ?
Or found a way to make good money to hire his sister a trained nurse to look after her properly 🐍
Many witches and wizards should have been in different houses than they were, but after having read every book roughly 12 to 14 times, and seen the movies countless times, its clear that for the sake of simplicity JK Rowling put most of the good guys in Gryffindor, and most of the bad ones in Slytherin, with a few characters from Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw mixed into the background. (mostly) to create a tiny bit of diversity. (like Smith being a stuck up arrogant Hufflepuff, and Cedric being a brave and good Hufflepuff, and Luna being the smart but unusual part of the gang from Ravenclaw, and two teachers (Quirrel and Lockhart) being from Ravenclaw and serving as examples of power/knowledge seekers going bad, but that was never mentioned in the books only in the lore) but most of the characters was from either the good house or the bad house. Ya Dumbledore with his ambition for power could have made a Slytherin, and Hermionies thirst for knowledge and wisdom and general natural talent for magic should have been in Ravenclaw, and Ron could have been a Hufflepuff with his strong loyalty but also rather laid back and trait of taking it easy on life and not stress so much)
Dumbeldore said once that he thought they sorted to young ! I think this is probably a good explanation as people change with experience
I actually disagree i think dumbledor would of likely kept Tom Riddle under thumb more if he was a Slitherin before becoming headmaster. I agree the way he aligns himself morally is no different but the means he takes to his ends likely would. There's a teaching style to each House really Hufflepuff is more nurtured so a Student may find thier own Natural Talents and have a basis of the rest. Ravenclaw is not about Control like Slytherin more like self control. Griffindor is essentially the group effort kind of teaching. So its only natural he tends toward involving others so liberaly.
Is it book cannon that he's in griffindor
Dumbledore wasnt born wise. He gained wisdom through experience.
I want to remind people that ambition and resourcefulness are not bad things. There is nothing wrong with the values of any house, good or bad is determined by the one who chooses either side. Horace Slughorn, Regulus Arcturus Black and Andromeda Black (later Tonks) are fine examples to good Slytherins. If Dumbledore was in Slytherin it wouldn't matter much. He would still have a change of heart and fight against evil. It would only be more interesting from 2 points- 1.A Slytherin (Dumbledore) would be the greatest enemy of another Slytherin (Tom). 2.He might have changed the perception Harry and his friends had on the house. Other than that he would have been the same Albus P.W.B. Dumbledore.
I am not sure I would agree with Slughorn and Regulus being good. Regulus did join the Death Eaters. And Slughorn firstly was also prejudiced against muggle borns ("Funny how this sometimes happens") and secondly recruiting young children and gaining their trust hoping they would later be useful to him is questionable.
@@patrickdematosribeiro1845 Regulus understood his bad ways and did everything he can in an attempt to destroy the locket Horcrux. He bravely gave his life. As for Slughorn- How would you explain he recruited Lily Evans and Hermione Jean Granger? Both are MB. Was he prejudice? Sure. But he also helped to fight against Voldemort.
We don't know whether Regulus understood he was wrong or whether he was angry Voldemort had attempted to kill his house elve. As for Slughorn I think his selfishness (hoping he would later benefit from them) was greater than his racism. But one bad characteristic being stronger than an even worse one does not necessarily make you good.@@eranshachar9954
I disagree that Dumbledore would still have been the same if he had been sorted into Slytherin. You mention his relationship with Gellert Grindelwald, but that came AFTER he graduated from Hogwarts. So being sorted into Slytherin probably would have fed his ego even more. And the Slytherins' disdain for muggles would have also fed into Dumbledore, given his history with Ariana. He might have started his own "For The Greater Good" at Hogwarts. The ONLY thing that snapped Albus back from that side was the duel that killed Ariana. If it weren't for that, he and Grindelwald would have carried on their crusade as planned.
Dumbledore might be ambitious as Hermione is a genius to be not placed in Ravenclaw but at the end of it all, he mostly chose the most moral thing even if he was led astray
His arrogance and reckless ambiton can be a misdirected form of bravery
However a Slytherin Dumbeldore might have had a different impact on Tom Riddle
I think the stigma of being in slytherin wouldn't have existed or been as strong if Dumbledore had been in it. Right ot wrong, Dumbledore was well loved and respected by most of the Wizarding world. It seems unlikely people would make such bold (and incorrect) assumptions about the number of dark wizards coming from Slytherin if Dumbledore had been sorted into the house
Idk how being ambitious and knowing you're a talented wizard makes you arrogant 😂 it's called confidence
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Imagine if the sorting hat cast doubt as to which house Snape should have been in.
Sooo. If he was Slytherin.. How did he have access to the sword of Gryffindor??
Would the sword of Gryffindor have come to Harry in the Chamber of Secrets?
I don't think that Dumbledore being in Slytherin would have made a difference. Merlin's beard, after all
I actually think he’d been a member of ravenclaw house.
I disagree that it would have made no difference if Dumbledore was slytherin. At least with respect for his connection with Harry in the story. Harry has immediate reason to distrust slytherin from his parent's murders to his first meetings with Malfoy and Snape to the words Ron says to him about Slytherin. He's still a child, and his distaste for Slytherin shows in lots of ways. Would he have really embraced and respected Dumbledore the same when he was young? I'm guessing not.
Dumbledore rejects power but clearly had no respect for those withit. Instead remained the most powerful/influential wizard in generations of young wizards. Like any good politician. Awaiting the new upcoming master wizard. Much like slughorn
He seems more a mix of Gryffindor and ravenclaw, not slythern
Even if he was sorted to Slytherin the hat could have allowed him to choose any houses, just like it did with Harry who was sorted Slytherin too.
IMO both Harry parents could have just as easily been sorted to Slytherin. Harry dad was a true douche but not as racist as slytherins, the mom best friend was Rogue, she could have been Slytherin too. Even Sirius Black and Peter Pettigrew are much more Slytherin then Griffindor. The only true Griffindor of the group would have been Lupus.
Dumbledore was sorted to Griffindor for plot convenience I think because he fits Slytherin much more then Griffindor.
And IMO the true gangsta are the one who go to a house that does not fits them.
Imagine having super affinities with Ravenclaw but going to Griffindor just for the lulz, completely ignoring your actual group and hanging with other groups Now that is cool.
I think Lupin would have made a very good Hufflepuff personally.
10 bucks says Dumbledore was a hat stall
Na he was in complete control of the situation, he had fudge where he wanted him setting harry to die at the right time. He had it look like he dropped all plans for power, he let others take it so they would ask him for tips on what they should do and or do better. He's Evil. He MADE Voldemort!!!
I agree with everything you said. He was Machiavellian to the bone, and he just got better at hiding his lust for power and seeking of it… Being more underhanded about how he sought power than he was in his youth.
Would have been a perfect way to show not all Slytherines were bad if JK put Dumbledore there.
I dont know when creators will stop saying "grindlewald and dumbledore formed a close relationship"
I mean go ahead and say the sad reality
"Dumbledore and grindlewald became gay couple"
This sad and filthy reality needs to be spoken out
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Let us be honest to our selves the only reason why Dumbledore was put in Gryffindor is becoas of black and white writting which unfortunately never really changed J.K. just found the flaw with this type of thinking when the book series got more mature
That's my sentiments exactly. Lately, I just can't sit there and read the books any more because of this very binary kind of reality that she presents. I wish people would stop pretending that she's this absolutely wonderful author and the 21st-century version of Tolkien, and recognise her for what she is. She is at best a mediocre author who can cover up her mediocrity with very good wordsmithing.
Oh Dumbledore was most definitely Slytherin, but all the bad traits especially. None were more manipulative and cruel, not to mention self serving. Taking down Voldy wasn't his motivation. He wanted the Hallows even after getting his sister killed. He was a pure blood supremacist and I think people overlook that fact. He also got a lot of people killed simply because he refused to share information even with his own group. Dumbledore, in my opinion, was a threat even worse than Voldemort. Heck, he helped create Voldemort in the first place. He's the ONLY character I despise more than Umbridge.
this is why fantastic beasts dumbledore is SO much better than harry potter dumbledore, hes also just way more fleshed out and hes more human, hes also just a better person with real flaws and traits but hes actually a decent person
THIS. Some might forget how manipulative, calculating and cold hearted he was. Dumbledore wasn’t the kind hearted and lovely guy people think he was.
So you despise him therefore he belongs in my house, Slytherin? We have our standards
I totally agree with you! I don’t often have people agree with me on Dumbledore.
Ditto to everything you said.
Heck its been proven that not all Slytherins are bad people. Look at the malfoys during the battle at Hogwarts, narcissa lied to Voldemort about Harry being dead. Snape was on the good side the whole time, he had everyone fooled. Draco couldn't kill Dumbledore, because he didn't want to. Hell, snape didn't want to either but knew he had to. Remember for the unforgivable curses to work, you have to MEAN it. Snape was able to pull it off because he knew Dumbledore's plan would result in Voldemorts defeat. Draco was just a child. Things happen for a reason.
I wish people would stop seeing Dumbledore as the epitome of everything that is good. I wish people would quit this nonsense about Dumbledore being this why is grandfatherly figure. And I wish people would stop thinking that Dumbledore walked away from the areas of his youth and improved himself when in reality, he didn't. What he did do is learn how to become a lot more cunning and underhanded about how he expressed his desire for power. He knew how to give people the illusion that he was walking away from power, when in reality he was very much still seeking power just doing it in a much more underhanded and sinister way. I mean hell, he even manipulated Harry in the afterlife for God sake! I make no secret that I can't stand a bar of Elvis Dumbledore, and I get so tired of fans falling over him as though he is the epitome of everything that is good and wise and kind when in reality he is a very Machiavellian, crawl, and just generally awful person who disguises himself as the epitome of everything benevolent. Sorry for the mistakes, currently using dictate and it doesn't always hear properly what I say.
I love Dumbledore he’s awesome he kind of inspires me to be myself every single day I love how Dumbledore sacrifice his life for Harry Potter
But one would think it takes immens courage to give his own life to save another. Therefor |Gryffindor 🙌🏻
He should have been an Slytherin
NO, we dont want Dumbledore in Slytherin. He raises boys to die, like pigs for the slaughter when it suits him. Thats cold. At least Slytherins care💚🐍
I don't want him in Ravenclaw either. Or exactly the same reasons. Filius Flitwick I would say makes 10 of him, and probably I reckon may not even like him.
I think the same way as a Ravenclaw still it would've been interesting
My big question... So what If he was. Does it really matter in the end...
Yes it matters. We don't want a load of Gryffindors cluttering up our common room. They never really understood us anyway