I have the Hercules saw as well as one from Bauer. I use and like both of them a lot. If you use the 4, 8, or 12ah Hercules batteries you will get greater performance from it. Dollars spent to value, it's hard to beat the Hercules stuff. Great review
My only issue is that you're trying to compare a 60 volt saw to 20 volt saw. Of course 60 volt saw would be better power wise. Also the Dewalt battery would be heavier because it's a larger battery. So really it seems a waste to compare the two knowing that they are hugely different to begin with. A very detailed review though. I do appreciate that.
yeah. that's the "extremely biased" part of the review. You learn pretty quickly how to use the Hercules and it does cut better straighter as in it's less of a struggle to get it to cut straight.
@@PeaceIntheValley The power difference isn't really a bias though; the more powerful saw cuts more easily and is therefore "better" in that regard. An example of bias might be claiming one saw is better due to already being invested in that saw's battery type -a preference based on something other than a fair comparison. Your review is very informative and very helpful.
I used my friends Hercules when I was helping him with a project but he had a Diablo blade in it instead of Hercules. I don’t know who makes their blades. It also had an 8 amp battery in it. Ran great.
For a homeowner the Hercules deals are impossible to beat. Bought a 5Amp Battery and charger for $99 with the latest Deal and got a $139 cordless grease gun for free. Father’s Day deals I will pick up the circular saw.
Imo I don't think many cordless saws compare with the DeWalt 60V...its a beast like you said. 60V is usually for lawn equipment etc. The Hercules does match well with other 20v tools. The extreme Herc. batteries also use physically larger, higher quality cells so they do distribute more power. For me the Circ Saw isnt the standout of the Hercules line (probably Impact Driver or Ultra Torque), I expect them to release a new version. Also there is a Beam Cutter attachment for the Hercules that basically turns it into a chainsaw. That might help for what you were trying to do.
Loved the comparison. I’m about to by the Hercules after your review. The stump cut test and others would have been interesting if both saws were running the same blade. Just a thought. I will probably go with the 8 ah battery at a minimum
i did actually swap blades to see if it would make any difference and it didn't seem to make any difference. Even though I have both and the DeWalt is more powerful, I do like the balance and the hook of the Hercules. i don't think you will be disappointed with Hercules.
@@PeaceIntheValleyI think for anyone not using the saw all day everyday the Hurcules is an adequate and capable tool. Comparing a 60 volt motor to a 20 volt motor is like having a 6 cylinder motor compared to a 2 cylinder motor as would be expected the bigger motor will have more power. But the newer cordless tools for the most part will work right along with most corded tools. No longer need the cord to have the power to get the job done. I did enjoy your biased comparison and you did a fair job at awarding points on the scale that you set up. I think the biggest take away from your video is that for someone on a more budget friendly use it some time tool to get the job done is that the Hurcules line will let you have tools to get the job done with a lot less out of pocket expense.
The hercules with a 8 ah will run all weekend and make 100s of cuts. I have it the dewalt 20v flexvolt advantage and the flexvolt worm drive or left handle. The hercules gets the job done and is lighter with a 8 ah than both the dewalts.
As far as the thumb safety having used both I think there’s is a definite advantage to the Hercules as it is much easier to depress the safety with gloved hands especially insulated gloves
I went into Home Depot one time and purchased something from a discount display. At the cash register, it came up full price. I got a manager, and the manager said since the display had not been taken down, the store would honor the reduced price. It always pays to check with the manager.
I’ve been using more and more of Hercules tools since buying their very impressive impact gun for work this year. I purchased the circular saw and sawzall to build a few new work benches and with an 8ah battery they performed very well. For the price I’m hard pressed to justify buying other brands. Though I still do love my older Dewalt and Milwaukee tools in the garage at home. 👍
I've been on that same path. I recenlty purchased the Hercules cordless miter saw - It is incredible along with the stand ua-cam.com/users/shortsp-sII7ZmI2Y?feature=share
You are right since that is what I was saying it was the reason for buying a new one! It will get used for that soon when we start the RV shelter in KY!
I've learned to get out the corded worm drive the next time I do something silly. As silly as watching this video for as long as I did. But thumbs up for the effort, guy.
I have a 20v 7 1/4 dewalt as well. DCS570. It also likes to stall out and flash the battery light at me. It has the same issues with the lines not being accurate on it. Think I'm going to get a hercules. Maybe also get a 6 1/2" saw.
Thank you for the great video. These saws are in two different classes. That being said the Hercules did everything you would need to do and more. And when you compare cost of tool cost of batteries and warranty. The Hercules is a clear winner. Only time will tell if it has the durability. And the best part is if you want to get their biggest battery, the 12 amp. It only cost $130.
Awesome review. Being female I probably have a slightly different take on the difference between the two. On the farm I do all kinds of woodwork including felling and milling trees, framing, carpentry, and more. For me the weight of the DeWalt would be a big minus even though its more powerful. The power doesn't help me if I'm worn out from the heavier weight and have to quit for the day. By far the accuracy for me is a huge plus. The markings as well. If I can't make out what I'm setting it at its useless. I'll be waiting until Black Friday deals probably but thank you for doing this.
While I wouldn't expect any 20V saw to compare on performance to a 60V saw, I would say that the Hercules saw does very well in the 20V space. To be truly fair to Hercules, it would be best to compare with 20V saws of its competitors. I believe the Hercules will hold its own when compared with other 20V saws. This video does well to illustrate the strengths of both saws, as well as their weaknesses. These saws target different segments of the customer pool, so I think this video will help people figure out which market segment they are most interested in, and thus, which saw would be better for that reason. While both are cordless saws, the DeWalt is the one I would say is most likely to perform on par with a corded tool. I believe that to obtain that level of performance from Hercules would require the use of the corded Hercules saw.
I have the left and right side version of the Flexvolt saws and the power is unstoppable. I also have the 20 volt version of the DeWalt and it cuts great also but as far a production and speed Flexvolt can't be beat. I really would have liked to see a video of the 20 volt DeWalt vs the Hercules for a more fair comparison. Again you pretty much covered everything except that you wouldn't have to buy any batteries if you would have just bought the DeWalt 20 volt.
@@timyarbro4783 I would like to see that video too! I would be they would be similar in power. I've had a problem with the FlexVolt batteries dying. My fourth one is ready to bite the dust. It's the electronics and not the internal batteries themselves that seem to be failing.
I have the Hercules saw and I run it with the 4ah extreme performance batteries. The 21700 Samsung cells in those just has a better discharge rate. I am looking to get that flexvolt saw though. I have a ton of flexvolt batteries now and need things to use them with.
You may want to throw on a Makita Carbide-Tipped Max Efficiency blade on the Hercules. Might see some improvement in performance. I think the performance choke point is in the blade.
I switched blades with the DeWalt just to try and see if that was the difference but the Hercules is still under powered. It stops quite a bit. I still like it, especially the rafter hook! I may have to try that Makita blade! Thankyou for the suggestion!
I agree a better blade may help the Hercules, still would say for the heavier stuff I would just grab a corded saw because the flexvolt batteries cost as much as a corded saw.
16:34 - I'm in shock. I just bought one of these today, and the blade bolt is now CLOCKWISE to loosen(!). Could not figure it out until I read the directions just in case they would have put an opposite-than-normal threaded fastener on there.
I have the exact same Dewalt saw ,I am a contractor, this saw has revolutionised my work. The saw ways less with the 6 amp battery than my blade right corded Skilsaw .A true professional never uses the marks on the base to align cuts ,the Dewalt has excellent views down the left and right sides of the blade ,you always look at the blade to do the cut ! The Hercules has bad sightlines down the blade and is only a handy man's saw .
I've recently bought two Hercules tools the multi-tool and the brushless recip saw. Hercules will get the job done and their batteries have a pretty good life but they're a bit underpowered. But honestly they offer such a wide variety of tools you could equip your entire shop with their 20 volt lineup. I see no need in getting their ported products though. I'm a new DIY but for some reason I keep wanting to invest in Makita 40 volt system
The 40 and 60V tool lines are very limited compared to the 18 and 20V lines of tools regardless of brand you pick. The key is finding the brand that works for you and sticking with it....I have a few, and I can say, its a PITA when you have different chargers, different batteries, and different tools LOL. They all work fine, but you end up with a pile of chargers and batteries and none of them interchange with each other. One thing I'd look at is Ridgid....out of all tool brands, Ridgid has lifetime battery replacements, and lifetime service/parts agreement on their 18V tools.
Good review! I am more of a corded person. I have the Milwaukee corded circular saw and the corded Skil Worm saw, but I looking at getting the Hercules cordless for quick easy jobs.
Skilsaw makes a 48v cordless wormdrive, I would strongly consider that if you don’t already have the dewalt 60v, I think they make a version that takes 10” disks.
Well wasn't happy with at first you comparing a 60 to a 20 wasn't thrilled. But you did a real review I skimmed some tho. But the dewalt is a good brand won't lie but I'm harbor frieght guy I feel they can do same jobs. But there should be a way to fix the blade issue on the dewalt.
yeah. I figured it was better to do what I considered a real world test. It's not apples to apples, and there are other channels that do that. However, it is what I would do in real life, especially how I have so many DeWalt tools. I know some people, by the comments, don't like that i'm comparing that but that's okay. The average guy is going to compare them because they are both 7.25" circular saws doing the exact same job, not so much the voltage.
Great vid man. Thanks a lot. Helped me make up my mind for sure. Just use it for around the house things and figured for the price the Hercules would be best
I just purchased this saw, well saw, battery, charger combp yesterday. So I want to add a few things in the comments. One for $99.99 this is a hard to beat deal period, Second having not used the saw yet I don't know how long it will last. But I am just a handiman howmowner, so I dont think it is ever going to see job site professional work. On that note I am surprised on its construction, the Magnesium shoe and guards I did not expect and that the shoe is not just flat but has webbing in it for rigidity is also unexpected. But now to the discussed battery. 60 volt vs 20 volt is like it was said Apples to Oranges. Secondly the AHr rating and more so the peak discharge rate are the big determinaters here. It is not likely the saw shutting down but the battery. The batteries have a BMS and it determines the peak charge, discharge, and safe voltages. That said, the lesser battery likely has a lesser peak current till shutdown, also is it may also have a lesser avg current rate so the saw will not get the power it may want. I will be soon starting some summer projects and will repost my findings.
For me, the battery longevity and durability are a huge part of the equation. I very rarely notice the difference between the cordless tools. Most of the time, I don’t do precision work or work with hardwoods with my cordless tools. The batteries are very expensive and it is a hardship when they drop to little capacity or die.
agreed. Unfortunately HF wouldn't let me upgrade to the two 8AH batteries and pay them more for the same deal. I did recently get the 8AH battery, though, and will see if it makes a difference. If it does, I'll do a video update. Also, I don't think the warranty is 5 years as stated in the video. The paperwork that came with it said 90 days.
Comparing a 60v saw to a 20v saws power is like Comparing a 360v 3 phase table saw to a 120v single phase table saw of course its going to have more. power other than that great review.
Exactly, this 60v saw is the most powerful we have on the market, and you put a 12 ah battery, and it doesn't overheat other brands like milwaukee, bosch if you do the same they overheat 😅Makita 36v I've used it a lot and also it didn't overheat but eka is weaker than dewalt, but it's cheaper 😅
I love Hercules tools I've been using them for a couple years now I use them for so much and they are excellent tools I've used tons of Milwaukee and DeWalt and Ryobi
I have a chainsaw for cutting through logs....use the right tool for the job LOL. Actually I have the Dewalt Flexvolt 16" chainsaw, it works very well, plenty of power for being a cordless saw...I also have the Flexvolt attachment capable weed eater which also has really good power for being cordless.
I'm HEAVILY invested in dewalt. Im a homeowner thats pretty handy. I have a line of tools that'd outfit most professionals nicely. I tell ya.. if i had to start over, I'd be buying Hercules and Bauer. I did just pick up the Bauer brad nailer. Got it for 90 bucks with a 5 ah battery and charger. I think the DeWalt is like 250 bare tool.
That's kind of what got me started too. Buy a battery - get a tool. Can't complain about the impact driver at all. It's very powerful. Just built a building in Kentucky with it, and the DeWalt driver.
The 60 volt battery system does increase the power factor when used over the 20 volt. Read Dewalt's literature, it'll tell you all about it. So you need to use the 20 volt Dewalt battery to check power difference. I have the Dewalt system, but I think to do a power comparison, it should be apples to apples. Other than that you did a good job of comparing those two. There's no doubt Harbour Freight has decided to compete with the big names at a much better price.
I think that mine is too early - it was the first model of the 60 volt cordless saw. I think I even mention in the video that the newer ones might have the rafter hook - either way - it is certainly necessary, especially for people in your profession!
When i started investing in power tools i lived right around the corner from a home depot. They sell ryobi, which has a great line of power tools. I went with them mostly due to proximity and convenience, but have never been let down and will continue to stick with them.
We used Ryobi 18V stuff in the door shop when I did garage door installations....back when they were blue, and before the Lithium batteries....the only downfall back then was the battery life, tools were fine, batteries ran down quickly when used in production settings. I only have a couple of Ryobi tools, got them today for $99, 2 1.5ah batteries, charger, drill, and 1/4" impact driver. Not a bad dealt to toss in the pickup when I got to the pick a part yard.
Always buy tools on sell, like when you can get a free tool with purchase of a battery, etc. It took me about a year to get all the tools I wanted but I rarely bought anything until it was on sale.
You have to be careful with that idea sometimes. A lot of times the tool they have on sale is a lesser quality, sometimes, its the brushed model that gets the sale price rather than the brushless...Harbor Freight, and Home Depot do that a lot with their tool sales....you might be getting a lower end or older model too.
I suspect the Hercules 5AH battery still using older 18600 cells. Their 4AH ("Extreme") use the newer 21700 (something like that) cells. Am DIYer and have been pretty much all Dewalt, until recently. The price for Hercules battery + charger + tool is less than price of Dewalt tool itself. I have both Dewalt and Hercules impact driver and feel the Hercules battery goes down faster. In terms of power/speed, Dewalt feel more powerful, but for me, not significantly enough for me to buy another Dewalt. On other hand, Dewalt tools have been very reliable so not expecting to need to replace any time soon. Not a pro so I'm not using the power tools daily or even weekly. If I were a pro, heck I may buy TWO Hercules, just in case one breaks because I know I can take broken one to HB and just replace it. Have never had a Dewalt break so not sure how the warranty work there.
All good points. I have the DeWalt Driver and Hercules Driver and the Hercules is quite a bit more powerful. Perhaps it's because my DeWalt is older?? The battery is not bad on either. I can go a half day of solid driving with the Hercules battery. Probably not quite as long as the DeWalt but I'm also driving more screws. It will get hot too putting in the 5" screws attaching the purlins to the trusses. I am a little disappointed in the circular saw power but I suspect they'll be updating it soon too like they did the impact driver.
@@PeaceIntheValley Dewalt is way behind the curve in terms of power for a lot of their tools, most other tools brands have long passed them by, especially in drills, and impacts. Wonder why Dewalt hasn't come out with more Flexvolt stuff, like 60V drills, and impacts and utilize those ridiculously overpriced batteries....I got mine on sale luckily, otherwise they're $300 for a couple of entry level Flexvolt batteries....with the 3 batteries I have I have no issues taking care of the weed eating chores on my property, and dong some yard cleanup in the spring with the chainsaw....good tools, ridiculous prices.
The only Dewalt tool that I have ever had any luck with was the 7.4 V screwdriver. I have had hammer drills and saws and they’ve all been crap. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
Note: Stores are obligated by law to Observe posted sales signs even if they've expired period it's on the store to remove the signage. Or be forced to honor the sale price... I think that's a federal rule and not state
Wasn't a sale over issue....but rather they mis-marked sale prices....several years ago one of the stores in town where I live had their Christmas sale starting...they had the Kitchenaid mixers on sale....oh boy did they....they mis-marked them and had the larger Pro-600 model on sale instead for the price the smaller 5 quart model was supposed to be...they had to honor the sale price, and I snagged the last one they had for my mom. Unfortunately I don't catch any tool sales being priced wrong HAHA!!
Great video can you do a video with the Hercules and the Craftsman 20 volt 7 1/4 inch battery-operated circular saw that would be awesome can you do a video like that please put this video was great great detail great content great job
I bought all the tools from Harbor freight, both Bauer and Hercules.If you want a pro grade tools buy DeWalt they are way better... but I don't have DeWalt money.the 25 cordless tools I bought from Harbor freight and the 12 batteries and 4 chargers would have cost me... Thousands of dollars more. So for me Harbor freight is the best choice. If my tools break down the road I'm not out much money. With the deals I got, might have paid 40. dollars a tool.campared to 100 bucks or more for DeWalt.
I have to agree with you. I think the DeWalt tools overall are built better. However, the newest Hercules Impact driver is better than my DeWalt. I suspect the next cordless circular saw will improve too.
Great video man. I dont even bother with the 5ah on my hercules circ/recip saws, I use an 8ah. Those black 5ah batteries are worse than the old blue ones, they use cheaper no name cells vs the samsung cells on the blue batteries. The 8ah battery doesnt heat up as much as the 5ah and you get a noticeable boost in power. I'm not sure if the comparison is exactly fair 60v vs 20v, also do the dewalt flex batteries have 21700 cells or 18650 cells. I know the hercules 5ah has 18650 cells, the 4ah/8ah/12ah do have 21700 cells. Theres no doubt in my mind that dewalt makes a great saw and is more powerful but many times I'm up in the air and it's nice to have a rafter hook. I'd swap the hercules 12v 2ah battery for a 4ah, there's enough of a difference in power that makes it worth upgrading for as little as $24.99 when on sale.
That's interesting to know the 5v are not quite up to the task because of the internals. I just saw a project farm video demonstrating that same thing with the no name batteries for Milwaukee. They would die much faster and didn't have the power. I'll get the 8AH and see how what difference it might make.
Doing work at home, Hercules seems to be good for the price. If you are using the tools everyday to make money, you might want to go with the DeWalt. DeWalt sounds better, but you are comparing 20 volts to 60 volts
You are comparing apples to oranges with regard to cut speed. 60v saw versus a 20v? Of course the 20v saw did not cut as quickly. I’d be shocked if it did.
@@PeaceIntheValley IMO that comes off as extremely disingenuous and intentionally misleading viewers. Due to your bias toward DeWalt you intentionally setup your "review" to purposely misrepresent the Hercules product by comparing it's 20v saw to DeWalt's 60v. You've admitted such in several of your replies. Your video here is why people can't trust youtube reviews anymore.
Hercules has a 5 yr warranty vs 3 year...and i know for a fact dewalt has severe issues with quality in tools and batteries...just go to lowes and read the amount of reviews that r horrible experiance not to mention mine
Dewalt has their share of problems for sure! I recently got the Hercules impact driver and it has quite a bit more power than my DeWalt. It also has a much brighter LED on it!
what id really love for hercules to do is 1 asap is make a dang jigsaw already like come on. Its such an important tool and your making a cordless drywall screwgun which is way more niche. 2 make a more powerful line as well to compete with things like fuel and xr. Outside of those 2 things though for the price its where im heading only because the wen circular saw is basically a toy and my dad already gave me several batteries and theyre to expensive nowadays.
Flexvolt battery is not an equivalent comparison to the Hercules battery. Also is that an actual Flexvolt Saw as well, again not a fair comparison on power.
it does when it comes to power. The Hercules does not have near the power when cutting, However, it does cut on the marks well and the DeWalt does not hit the marks. When cutting a 2x4 the other day the hercules stopped on me and I had to start again. Is that normal?
42:03 I have both i have not open the dewalt box yet. The hercules with a 8 ah cuts a lot of 2x4s and 3/4 plywood all day long and still have half the battery left at the end of the day. The dewalt i have is the flexvolt advantage. TTC showed it has 50% more power over the hercules. I have used the hercules every Saturday and Sunday for the last 6 months remodel 3 homes. I have worked the saw and myself hard. I am impressed by hercules. Note: my first hercules saw would stop and start, I never cut any wood. Went to HF and the gave me a new one that worked nice. The Sawzall is also impressive.
I have cordless Dewalt 6-1/2, Milwaukee 6-1/2,Hilti 6-1/2, cordless Flex 7-1/4 rear handle and a corded SkilWormdrive 7-1/4, I use mostly Freud blades on all, I'm a lucky Guy because the Wife let's me buy all my Toys, I just tell her I need them to make her stuff and for the Home Improvements.Happy Wife , Happy Guy😃😆...😂
I didn't know that. Can you go the other way too with HF batteries on DeWalt? I say because I think the Hercules batteries are better in many respects.
There really is no contention here. The Hercules is a budget, bang-for-buck product while Dewalt offers a premium professional tool. A circ saw is a pretty straightforward device so there aren't subtle features to consider. Use the Dewalt as a beater take it to places where you don't trust conditions or people. Loan it to friends when they come mooching on your tools.
we have the same saw and the hercules blade right out of the box is junk.Put a real blade on there and you will see the difference especially when u are cutting that stump.Your comparing apples to oranges 60v vs 20v.
Im fine with the whole biased review, but please atleast put in the title its 20v vs 60v. This is pointless to compare in my opinion, im sure im not the only one that got clickbaited and time wasted
I took it on a work trip last week and it did fine for what I needed. i like that it effortlessly cuts straight, but it doesn't have the power of the DeWalt.
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I have the Hercules saw as well as one from Bauer. I use and like both of them a lot. If you use the 4, 8, or 12ah Hercules batteries you will get greater performance from it. Dollars spent to value, it's hard to beat the Hercules stuff. Great review
I have never once thought about the slickness of the batteries lol.
I never did either until I got the Hercules and realized they don't slip near as much.
My only issue is that you're trying to compare a 60 volt saw to 20 volt saw. Of course 60 volt saw would be better power wise. Also the Dewalt battery would be heavier because it's a larger battery. So really it seems a waste to compare the two knowing that they are hugely different to begin with. A very detailed review though. I do appreciate that.
yeah. that's the "extremely biased" part of the review. You learn pretty quickly how to use the Hercules and it does cut better straighter as in it's less of a struggle to get it to cut straight.
Thank you for pointing this out!
@@PeaceIntheValley The power difference isn't really a bias though; the more powerful saw cuts more easily and is therefore "better" in that regard.
An example of bias might be claiming one saw is better due to already being invested in that saw's battery type -a preference based on something other than a fair comparison.
Your review is very informative and very helpful.
I agree
I used my friends Hercules when I was helping him with a project but he had a Diablo blade in it instead of Hercules. I don’t know who makes their blades. It also had an 8 amp battery in it. Ran great.
Excellent review. The real world test was enlightening.
Thank you! Real world tests are what matters compared to the specs.
For a homeowner the Hercules deals are impossible to beat. Bought a 5Amp
Battery and charger for $99 with the latest Deal and got a $139 cordless grease gun for free. Father’s Day deals I will pick up the circular saw.
Let me know how the grease gun works. I have the DeWalt version, but real interested in the HF model.
Got a fast charger 5ah battery and 4ah battery for $119 and an impact and grinder for $100.
Imo I don't think many cordless saws compare with the DeWalt 60V...its a beast like you said. 60V is usually for lawn equipment etc. The Hercules does match well with other 20v tools. The extreme Herc. batteries also use physically larger, higher quality cells so they do distribute more power.
For me the Circ Saw isnt the standout of the Hercules line (probably Impact Driver or Ultra Torque), I expect them to release a new version.
Also there is a Beam Cutter attachment for the Hercules that basically turns it into a chainsaw. That might help for what you were trying to do.
Loved the comparison. I’m about to by the Hercules after your review. The stump cut test and others would have been interesting if both saws were running the same blade. Just a thought. I will probably go with the 8 ah battery at a minimum
i did actually swap blades to see if it would make any difference and it didn't seem to make any difference. Even though I have both and the DeWalt is more powerful, I do like the balance and the hook of the Hercules. i don't think you will be disappointed with Hercules.
@@PeaceIntheValleyI think for anyone not using the saw all day everyday the Hurcules is an adequate and capable tool. Comparing a 60 volt motor to a 20 volt motor is like having a 6 cylinder motor compared to a 2 cylinder motor as would be expected the bigger motor will have more power. But the newer cordless tools for the most part will work right along with most corded tools. No longer need the cord to have the power to get the job done.
I did enjoy your biased comparison and you did a fair job at awarding points on the scale that you set up.
I think the biggest take away from your video is that for someone on a more budget friendly use it some time tool to get the job done is that the Hurcules line will let you have tools to get the job done with a lot less out of pocket expense.
The hercules with a 8 ah will run all weekend and make 100s of cuts. I have it the dewalt 20v flexvolt advantage and the flexvolt worm drive or left handle. The hercules gets the job done and is lighter with a 8 ah than both the dewalts.
As far as the thumb safety having used both I think there’s is a definite advantage to the Hercules as it is much easier to depress the safety with gloved hands especially insulated gloves
Off topic but do you get any condensation issues on your tools being in an uninsulated garage? I do.
I have never had any problems with condensation in my garage. The most I'll get is on the concrete floor on high humid or rainy days.
Spot on with the safety! I feel the same way. I like their older Dewalt saws with the thumb down lever. Great video. Cheers.
I went into Home Depot one time and purchased something from a discount display. At the cash register, it came up full price. I got a manager, and the manager said since the display had not been taken down, the store would honor the reduced price. It always pays to check with the manager.
Great video, I wonder if you use the 8 or 12 ah Hercules battery if it would make it through your stump
I’ve been using more and more of Hercules tools since buying their very impressive impact gun for work this year. I purchased the circular saw and sawzall to build a few new work benches and with an 8ah battery they performed very well. For the price I’m hard pressed to justify buying other brands. Though I still do love my older Dewalt and Milwaukee tools in the garage at home. 👍
I've been on that same path. I recenlty purchased the Hercules cordless miter saw - It is incredible along with the stand
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Good insight. Bottom line is if your a regular home owner and use the saw for projects, is the lower cost the tie breaker.
I don't disagree with that. In fact for pretty much everything it would work great. I didn't mention this but Hercules is quieter.
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Good video. I thought you would've tried to cut a post top about shoulder height or higher for a test. That would still be interesting.
You are right since that is what I was saying it was the reason for buying a new one! It will get used for that soon when we start the RV shelter in KY!
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The stump cut would be fairer if one wasn't 3 times the voltage/power. 60v vs 20v????
I've learned to get out the corded worm drive the next time I do something silly. As silly as watching this video for as long as I did. But thumbs up for the effort, guy.
I have a 20v 7 1/4 dewalt as well. DCS570. It also likes to stall out and flash the battery light at me. It has the same issues with the lines not being accurate on it. Think I'm going to get a hercules. Maybe also get a 6 1/2" saw.
if you get that, post your thoughts compared to the DeWalt
hi brice, thx for this video. very intensive. but what i miss was about dust removal, is there any futures for this on the saws?
Thank you for the great video. These saws are in two different classes. That being said the Hercules did everything you would need to do and more. And when you compare cost of tool cost of batteries and warranty. The Hercules is a clear winner. Only time will tell if it has the durability. And the best part is if you want to get their biggest battery, the 12 amp. It only cost $130.
Good test
Awesome review. Being female I probably have a slightly different take on the difference between the two. On the farm I do all kinds of woodwork including felling and milling trees, framing, carpentry, and more. For me the weight of the DeWalt would be a big minus even though its more powerful. The power doesn't help me if I'm worn out from the heavier weight and have to quit for the day. By far the accuracy for me is a huge plus. The markings as well. If I can't make out what I'm setting it at its useless. I'll be waiting until Black Friday deals probably but thank you for doing this.
While I wouldn't expect any 20V saw to compare on performance to a 60V saw, I would say that the Hercules saw does very well in the 20V space. To be truly fair to Hercules, it would be best to compare with 20V saws of its competitors. I believe the Hercules will hold its own when compared with other 20V saws.
This video does well to illustrate the strengths of both saws, as well as their weaknesses. These saws target different segments of the customer pool, so I think this video will help people figure out which market segment they are most interested in, and thus, which saw would be better for that reason. While both are cordless saws, the DeWalt is the one I would say is most likely to perform on par with a corded tool. I believe that to obtain that level of performance from Hercules would require the use of the corded Hercules saw.
The new version of the Flexvolt saw does have a rafter hook and a lot more power without a doubt. Great video and thanks for the details.
I have the left and right side version of the Flexvolt saws and the power is unstoppable. I also have the 20 volt version of the DeWalt and it cuts great also but as far a production and speed Flexvolt can't be beat. I really would have liked to see a video of the 20 volt DeWalt vs the Hercules for a more fair comparison. Again you pretty much covered everything except that you wouldn't have to buy any batteries if you would have just bought the DeWalt 20 volt.
@@timyarbro4783 I would like to see that video too! I would be they would be similar in power. I've had a problem with the FlexVolt batteries dying. My fourth one is ready to bite the dust. It's the electronics and not the internal batteries themselves that seem to be failing.
I have the Hercules saw and I run it with the 4ah extreme performance batteries. The 21700 Samsung cells in those just has a better discharge rate. I am looking to get that flexvolt saw though. I have a ton of flexvolt batteries now and need things to use them with.
The Flexvolt Attachment Capable Weed Eater would be a good add-on tool as is the Flexvolt 16" Chainsaw....I have both, and both work extremely well.
@@wildbill23c I have the standard string trimmer, the 16 inch saw, the blower, and I currently have the angle grinder on layaway.
I use converters for my 20v dewalt batteries in a HF tool i only need for occasional use.
where do you get those?
@@PeaceIntheValley Amazon has the Bauer ones, I believe Ebay may be the best place for Hercules.
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This guy's using the Bauer one I have.
You may want to throw on a Makita Carbide-Tipped Max Efficiency blade on the Hercules. Might see some improvement in performance. I think the performance choke point is in the blade.
I switched blades with the DeWalt just to try and see if that was the difference but the Hercules is still under powered. It stops quite a bit. I still like it, especially the rafter hook! I may have to try that Makita blade! Thankyou for the suggestion!
@@PeaceIntheValley sure thing! Just saw some surprising test results on the Makita blade that made a difference in cutting.
I agree a better blade may help the Hercules, still would say for the heavier stuff I would just grab a corded saw because the flexvolt batteries cost as much as a corded saw.
16:34 - I'm in shock. I just bought one of these today, and the blade bolt is now CLOCKWISE to loosen(!). Could not figure it out until I read the directions just in case they would have put an opposite-than-normal threaded fastener on there.
I have the exact same Dewalt saw ,I am a contractor, this saw has revolutionised my work.
The saw ways less with the 6 amp battery than my blade right corded Skilsaw .A true professional never uses the marks on the base to align cuts ,the Dewalt has excellent views down the left and right sides of the blade ,you always look at the blade to do the cut ! The Hercules has bad sightlines down the blade and is only a handy man's saw .
I've recently bought two Hercules tools the multi-tool and the brushless recip saw. Hercules will get the job done and their batteries have a pretty good life but they're a bit underpowered. But honestly they offer such a wide variety of tools you could equip your entire shop with their 20 volt lineup. I see no need in getting their ported products though. I'm a new DIY but for some reason I keep wanting to invest in Makita 40 volt system
The 40 and 60V tool lines are very limited compared to the 18 and 20V lines of tools regardless of brand you pick. The key is finding the brand that works for you and sticking with it....I have a few, and I can say, its a PITA when you have different chargers, different batteries, and different tools LOL. They all work fine, but you end up with a pile of chargers and batteries and none of them interchange with each other.
One thing I'd look at is Ridgid....out of all tool brands, Ridgid has lifetime battery replacements, and lifetime service/parts agreement on their 18V tools.
Good review! I am more of a corded person. I have the Milwaukee corded circular saw and the corded Skil Worm saw, but I looking at getting the Hercules cordless for quick easy jobs.
Skilsaw makes a 48v cordless wormdrive, I would strongly consider that if you don’t already have the dewalt 60v, I think they make a version that takes 10” disks.
Well wasn't happy with at first you comparing a 60 to a 20 wasn't thrilled. But you did a real review I skimmed some tho. But the dewalt is a good brand won't lie but I'm harbor frieght guy I feel they can do same jobs. But there should be a way to fix the blade issue on the dewalt.
yeah. I figured it was better to do what I considered a real world test. It's not apples to apples, and there are other channels that do that. However, it is what I would do in real life, especially how I have so many DeWalt tools. I know some people, by the comments, don't like that i'm comparing that but that's okay. The average guy is going to compare them because they are both 7.25" circular saws doing the exact same job, not so much the voltage.
Great vid man. Thanks a lot. Helped me make up my mind for sure. Just use it for around the house things and figured for the price the Hercules would be best
I just purchased this saw, well saw, battery, charger combp yesterday. So I want to add a few things in the comments. One for $99.99 this is a hard to beat deal period, Second having not used the saw yet I don't know how long it will last. But I am just a handiman howmowner, so I dont think it is ever going to see job site professional work. On that note I am surprised on its construction, the Magnesium shoe and guards I did not expect and that the shoe is not just flat but has webbing in it for rigidity is also unexpected. But now to the discussed battery. 60 volt vs 20 volt is like it was said Apples to Oranges. Secondly the AHr rating and more so the peak discharge rate are the big determinaters here. It is not likely the saw shutting down but the battery. The batteries have a BMS and it determines the peak charge, discharge, and safe voltages. That said, the lesser battery likely has a lesser peak current till shutdown, also is it may also have a lesser avg current rate so the saw will not get the power it may want. I will be soon starting some summer projects and will repost my findings.
For me, the battery longevity and durability are a huge part of the equation. I very rarely notice the difference between the cordless tools. Most of the time, I don’t do precision work or work with hardwoods with my cordless tools. The batteries are very expensive and it is a hardship when they drop to little capacity or die.
An s10 vs a full size Silverado in a towing challenge. Of course you know what has more power. At 60 volts it's 3x as much ad the harbor freight
Did the Dewalt come with dust collection?
No it did not but I think it has a port to hookup your vaccuum. Not sure though. i have to go and look.
Mine didn't. Not that you'd get much anyhow, they throw dust everywhere LOL.
TorqueTest said in a Very Rare out right recommendation to go run and get the 60v flexvolt saw
I mean a felxvolt battery versus a standard 5ah battery should've used at least the 8 Ah Extreme Performance Battery on the hercules
agreed. Unfortunately HF wouldn't let me upgrade to the two 8AH batteries and pay them more for the same deal. I did recently get the 8AH battery, though, and will see if it makes a difference. If it does, I'll do a video update. Also, I don't think the warranty is 5 years as stated in the video. The paperwork that came with it said 90 days.
Comparing a 60v saw to a 20v saws power is like Comparing a 360v 3 phase table saw to a 120v single phase table saw of course its going to have more. power other than that great review.
Exactly, this 60v saw is the most powerful we have on the market, and you put a 12 ah battery, and it doesn't overheat other brands like milwaukee, bosch if you do the same they overheat 😅Makita 36v I've used it a lot and also it didn't overheat but eka is weaker than dewalt, but it's cheaper 😅
That is the exact reason I don't go to Lowe's anymore. I've had too many of those experiences.
I love Hercules tools I've been using them for a couple years now I use them for so much and they are excellent tools I've used tons of Milwaukee and DeWalt and Ryobi
I'll take the Hercules with the 8ah battery because I don't plan on cutting through a log anytime soon 😅
I use both regularly. It lets me keep one on site and one in the shop! either way I've got something!
I have a chainsaw for cutting through logs....use the right tool for the job LOL. Actually I have the Dewalt Flexvolt 16" chainsaw, it works very well, plenty of power for being a cordless saw...I also have the Flexvolt attachment capable weed eater which also has really good power for being cordless.
I'm HEAVILY invested in dewalt. Im a homeowner thats pretty handy. I have a line of tools that'd outfit most professionals nicely. I tell ya.. if i had to start over, I'd be buying Hercules and Bauer. I did just pick up the Bauer brad nailer. Got it for 90 bucks with a 5 ah battery and charger. I think the DeWalt is like 250 bare tool.
That's kind of what got me started too. Buy a battery - get a tool. Can't complain about the impact driver at all. It's very powerful. Just built a building in Kentucky with it, and the DeWalt driver.
The 60 volt battery system does increase the power factor when used over the 20 volt. Read Dewalt's literature, it'll tell you all about it. So you need to use the 20 volt Dewalt battery to check power difference. I have the Dewalt system, but I think to do a power comparison, it should be apples to apples. Other than that you did a good job of comparing those two. There's no doubt Harbour Freight has decided to compete with the big names at a much better price.
I have the hercules. I use it on the job for portabilityband work at odd angles.. when i am cutting thicker or haerd woods i use corded
The 60v dewalt has a rafter hook.. i have had 2 of them for the past 4 years.. I use it everyday building houses!
I think that mine is too early - it was the first model of the 60 volt cordless saw. I think I even mention in the video that the newer ones might have the rafter hook - either way - it is certainly necessary, especially for people in your profession!
When i started investing in power tools i lived right around the corner from a home depot. They sell ryobi, which has a great line of power tools. I went with them mostly due to proximity and convenience, but have never been let down and will continue to stick with them.
Absolutely. The batteries are costly and it's a chicken and egg conundrum. .
We used Ryobi 18V stuff in the door shop when I did garage door installations....back when they were blue, and before the Lithium batteries....the only downfall back then was the battery life, tools were fine, batteries ran down quickly when used in production settings.
I only have a couple of Ryobi tools, got them today for $99, 2 1.5ah batteries, charger, drill, and 1/4" impact driver. Not a bad dealt to toss in the pickup when I got to the pick a part yard.
Always buy tools on sell, like when you can get a free tool with purchase of a battery, etc. It took me about a year to get all the tools I wanted but I rarely bought anything until it was on sale.
Exactly right! Watch the HF fliers and you can get free batteries or tools with a battery purchase regularly!
You have to be careful with that idea sometimes. A lot of times the tool they have on sale is a lesser quality, sometimes, its the brushed model that gets the sale price rather than the brushless...Harbor Freight, and Home Depot do that a lot with their tool sales....you might be getting a lower end or older model too.
I can sympathize. If the sign is still up, stores should honor the sale and she should have at least say let me talk to the manager
I suspect the Hercules 5AH battery still using older 18600 cells. Their 4AH ("Extreme") use the newer 21700 (something like that) cells. Am DIYer and have been pretty much all Dewalt, until recently. The price for Hercules battery + charger + tool is less than price of Dewalt tool itself. I have both Dewalt and Hercules impact driver and feel the Hercules battery goes down faster. In terms of power/speed, Dewalt feel more powerful, but for me, not significantly enough for me to buy another Dewalt. On other hand, Dewalt tools have been very reliable so not expecting to need to replace any time soon. Not a pro so I'm not using the power tools daily or even weekly. If I were a pro, heck I may buy TWO Hercules, just in case one breaks because I know I can take broken one to HB and just replace it. Have never had a Dewalt break so not sure how the warranty work there.
All good points. I have the DeWalt Driver and Hercules Driver and the Hercules is quite a bit more powerful. Perhaps it's because my DeWalt is older?? The battery is not bad on either. I can go a half day of solid driving with the Hercules battery. Probably not quite as long as the DeWalt but I'm also driving more screws. It will get hot too putting in the 5" screws attaching the purlins to the trusses. I am a little disappointed in the circular saw power but I suspect they'll be updating it soon too like they did the impact driver.
@@PeaceIntheValley Dewalt is way behind the curve in terms of power for a lot of their tools, most other tools brands have long passed them by, especially in drills, and impacts. Wonder why Dewalt hasn't come out with more Flexvolt stuff, like 60V drills, and impacts and utilize those ridiculously overpriced batteries....I got mine on sale luckily, otherwise they're $300 for a couple of entry level Flexvolt batteries....with the 3 batteries I have I have no issues taking care of the weed eating chores on my property, and dong some yard cleanup in the spring with the chainsaw....good tools, ridiculous prices.
The only Dewalt tool that I have ever had any luck with was the 7.4 V screwdriver. I have had hammer drills and saws and they’ve all been crap. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
Yes, the 8 or 12 mah batteries would most likely make a difference does to the 21700 cells inside versus 18650 cells.
Should have used the same blade for both.
Note: Stores are obligated by law to Observe posted sales signs even if they've expired period it's on the store to remove the signage. Or be forced to honor the sale price... I think that's a federal rule and not state
Wasn't a sale over issue....but rather they mis-marked sale prices....several years ago one of the stores in town where I live had their Christmas sale starting...they had the Kitchenaid mixers on sale....oh boy did they....they mis-marked them and had the larger Pro-600 model on sale instead for the price the smaller 5 quart model was supposed to be...they had to honor the sale price, and I snagged the last one they had for my mom.
Unfortunately I don't catch any tool sales being priced wrong HAHA!!
Battery size was a big factor on the cutting test. The circular saw is the main one to have as big a battery as possible.
My only experience with a Dewalt tool was their old 18-volt nicad XRP. That was a big disappointment.
Bauer is the lite , like the smaller circ saw it's 6 1/2 inch blade.
Bauer has the same 7 1/4" saw as this. The only difference is a few cosmetics.
Great video can you do a video with the Hercules and the Craftsman 20 volt 7 1/4 inch battery-operated circular saw that would be awesome can you do a video like that please put this video was great great detail great content great job
I bought all the tools from Harbor freight, both Bauer and Hercules.If you want a pro grade tools buy DeWalt they are way better... but I don't have DeWalt money.the 25 cordless tools I bought from Harbor freight and the 12 batteries and 4 chargers would have cost me... Thousands of dollars more. So for me Harbor freight is the best choice. If my tools break down the road I'm not out much money. With the deals I got, might have paid 40. dollars a tool.campared to 100 bucks or more for DeWalt.
I have to agree with you. I think the DeWalt tools overall are built better. However, the newest Hercules Impact driver is better than my DeWalt. I suspect the next cordless circular saw will improve too.
I have the same Hercules saw. It’s gutless. I can’t even cut a 2x4 without it binding 90% of the time.
Great video man.
I dont even bother with the 5ah on my hercules circ/recip saws, I use an 8ah. Those black 5ah batteries are worse than the old blue ones, they use cheaper no name cells vs the samsung cells on the blue batteries.
The 8ah battery doesnt heat up as much as the 5ah and you get a noticeable boost in power. I'm not sure if the comparison is exactly fair 60v vs 20v, also do the dewalt flex batteries have 21700 cells or 18650 cells. I know the hercules 5ah has 18650 cells, the 4ah/8ah/12ah do have 21700 cells.
Theres no doubt in my mind that dewalt makes a great saw and is more powerful but many times I'm up in the air and it's nice to have a rafter hook.
I'd swap the hercules 12v 2ah battery for a 4ah, there's enough of a difference in power that makes it worth upgrading for as little as $24.99 when on sale.
That's interesting to know the 5v are not quite up to the task because of the internals. I just saw a project farm video demonstrating that same thing with the no name batteries for Milwaukee. They would die much faster and didn't have the power. I'll get the 8AH and see how what difference it might make.
Doing work at home, Hercules seems to be good for the price. If you are using the tools everyday to make money, you might want to go with the DeWalt. DeWalt sounds better, but you are comparing 20 volts to 60 volts
I wouldn't be using these saws to cut into tree stumps though. I think that herk would be fine for my fence building.
You are comparing apples to oranges with regard to cut speed. 60v saw versus a 20v? Of course the 20v saw did not cut as quickly. I’d be shocked if it did.
yeah. that's the "extremely biased" part of the review. Even so, I thought it would be able to cut through, just slower. It's still a decent saw.
@@PeaceIntheValley IMO that comes off as extremely disingenuous and intentionally misleading viewers. Due to your bias toward DeWalt you intentionally setup your "review" to purposely misrepresent the Hercules product by comparing it's 20v saw to DeWalt's 60v. You've admitted such in several of your replies. Your video here is why people can't trust youtube reviews anymore.
The guy that designed the dewalt now designes the hercules from harbor freight they are basically the same
Hercules has a 5 yr warranty vs 3 year...and i know for a fact dewalt has severe issues with quality in tools and batteries...just go to lowes and read the amount of reviews that r horrible experiance not to mention mine
Dewalt has their share of problems for sure! I recently got the Hercules impact driver and it has quite a bit more power than my DeWalt. It also has a much brighter LED on it!
Hercules is the more practical Purchase with the 8 or 12 amp hr.
I agree completely. It works well so far. and the marks are accurate. Time will tell on durability. It does cutout way more than it should though.
what id really love for hercules to do is 1 asap is make a dang jigsaw already like come on. Its such an important tool and your making a cordless drywall screwgun which is way more niche. 2 make a more powerful line as well to compete with things like fuel and xr. Outside of those 2 things though for the price its where im heading only because the wen circular saw is basically a toy and my dad already gave me several batteries and theyre to expensive nowadays.
Flexvolt battery is not an equivalent comparison to the Hercules battery. Also is that an actual Flexvolt Saw as well, again not a fair comparison on power.
IMO dewalt wins easily I have a couple of Hercules 1/4 hex impact power tools which seem fine to me
it does when it comes to power. The Hercules does not have near the power when cutting, However, it does cut on the marks well and the DeWalt does not hit the marks. When cutting a 2x4 the other day the hercules stopped on me and I had to start again. Is that normal?
42:03 I have both i have not open the dewalt box yet. The hercules with a 8 ah cuts a lot of 2x4s and 3/4 plywood all day long and still have half the battery left at the end of the day. The dewalt i have is the flexvolt advantage. TTC showed it has 50% more power over the hercules. I have used the hercules every Saturday and Sunday for the last 6 months remodel 3 homes. I have worked the saw and myself hard. I am impressed by hercules. Note: my first hercules saw would stop and start, I never cut any wood. Went to HF and the gave me a new one that worked nice. The Sawzall is also impressive.
Dewalt was built for the professional (power & endurance). Hercules was built for the DiY (features & comfort).
I think the 60v is meant to have a full kerf blade. That's probably why it's off
I have cordless Dewalt 6-1/2, Milwaukee 6-1/2,Hilti 6-1/2, cordless Flex 7-1/4 rear handle and a corded SkilWormdrive 7-1/4, I use mostly Freud blades on all, I'm a lucky Guy because the Wife let's me buy all my Toys, I just tell her I need them to make her stuff and for the Home Improvements.Happy Wife , Happy Guy😃😆...😂
Just sayin u can easily make ur dewalt battery fit a harbor freight
I didn't know that. Can you go the other way too with HF batteries on DeWalt? I say because I think the Hercules batteries are better in many respects.
There really is no contention here. The Hercules is a budget, bang-for-buck product while Dewalt offers a premium professional tool. A circ saw is a pretty straightforward device so there aren't subtle features to consider. Use the Dewalt as a beater take it to places where you don't trust conditions or people. Loan it to friends when they come mooching on your tools.
we have the same saw and the hercules blade right out of the box is junk.Put a real blade on there and you will see the difference especially when u are cutting that stump.Your comparing apples to oranges 60v vs 20v.
hercules is stronger with a 12a battery i test it out myself
I didn't know they had a 12AH battery. I'll have to check that out - though I'm not sure I really want the extra weight.
Im fine with the whole biased review, but please atleast put in the title its 20v vs 60v. This is pointless to compare in my opinion, im sure im not the only one that got clickbaited and time wasted
Don't buy the Hercules it sucks, And I love all my Hercules tools but not this one, the 6 1/2 inch saw is better for me
I took it on a work trip last week and it did fine for what I needed. i like that it effortlessly cuts straight, but it doesn't have the power of the DeWalt.
MAYBE HERCULES IS A OK TOOL BUT NOT FOR FOR ME.
I'll stick to corded saws... some of these battery tools are just a gimmick.
Be more fair on the test get a 20 amp DeWalt and then retest them you can't come up with a fair test when one is a 20 amp and the other is a 60 amp
You are not comparing apples to apples
Please take your gloves off when you're using spinning tools.
Hercules is a toy. Disappointed. Very warm battery=DeWalt TKO in the 3rd Rd.
who cuts a 3ft log with a cirk saw? test them on what they are made for, sheesh.......