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Thank you for acknowledging how cringe the writing gets after the first game, I thought I was going crazy because it seemed like I was the only person who felt like everyone was such a cornball. (Especially Miles)
@onglanh5329 As a reader of the comics you can see Dan Slott influences (Aunt May at feast, Doc Ock being main baddie) it just feels very 616 amazing Spider-Man esq you know? The characterization was there in the second game it was just the pacing and how much of a goodie two shoes everyone is, the characters just don't have the same emotional range of a normal human and also with how insane the game. gets with its action over pacing approach (which I liked but it clearly was speedy when the story did not need it.) I really wish this game was fully completed and had all the DLC's it would have been one of the best Spider-Man games...
@@pn2294 the pacing is extremely better and has a bigger focus on character over spectacle and the game properly sets up and finishes a plot point when it's the right moment, that's why the Doc Ock fight is more hard hitting. I really hope we can get the writers back for the third game because the writing clearly did go downhill after Miles Morales...
If anything bothers me about Kraven, it's that his army of video game mooks feels like it runs contrary to his motivation. Kraven wants to go up against enemies that can test him and potentially kill him. But instead, he's just got a group of mooks that seemingly hunt his quarry for him a good amount of the time and he creates counters to all of his targets' strengths before fighting them in an arena that he constructs in advance, which feels like it gives him more of an edge than he should ideally want. He's not Kraven *the Gladiator* and I don't know why the game keeps trying to turn him into that.
True. He goes into the Scorpion fight immune to his poison, so then Scorpion becomes "Some guy with a flexible spike" I imagine he went against Electro in some sort of insulation suit 😭
I fully agree but disagree at the same time. Kraven in this game was trash cause he has multiple goals which conflict with each other. He wants to hunt his strongest prey to prove himself but then he also wants that prey to kill him cause that’s the only way he’ll be satisfied? So he’s half Hunter half Gladiator? His team of lackeys being hella OP and setting up traps and shit kinda fits Kraven The HUNTER’s style. But again I agree, the dying in battle thing is.. idk.. this game is mid
Only issue I had is that Kraven has an army that pretty much hunts the prey for him instead when he claims himself to be the world's greatest hunter. Also that his army of hunters were nothing but jokes & just all talk. Reason I say that because MJ could take them down in stealth, hell they are all hunters & she's a reporter.
He can't hunt like he used to, because he has late stage cancer. He can't do what he would do in his prime, in some audio messages he revealed he has little time left, so obvious he'd be in a rush to find his equal, not being able to do it himself as he's physically unable to.
I feel like insomniac got too comfortable after the first game because they knew they had to get everyone on board, now they hardly have to do anything to gather loads of people lusting over everything they release
Too comfortable is the perfect description. This is clearly seen in Bryan Intihar's interview with IGN. "If MJ is a little OP I don't give a sh*t" being his response to the criticism towards something players didn't even want as well as blatantly admitting that he was going to get the MJ missions into the game at the expense of Content player would've loved. "Give people things they want and add things people don't think they want and make them like that stuff". The first game was worshipped by spiderman fans with certain channels becoming echo chambers that will run to their defense. They were bound to become that arrogant.
@@zacharyjackson3104Thats also true, but they used that short time they had to add something they knew players wouldn't want rather making the best out of it.
@@baki484hope yo aren’t on Reddit the main sub is pure negativity and some people make a polar opposite sub that’s basically insomniac glazing mecha where anything talking bad about the game get downvoted to hell
@@zacharyjackson3104no. Sony gave them a deadline and they also gave them 5 years and a movie level budget. Intihar wasted time and resource on shit nobody wanted in the game and admitted to not reaching the deadline.
The weirdest thing about SM2 for me is the world and the people of New York not feeling authentic anymore as opposed to SM1 and MM. I’m a native New Yorker and everyone in this game is either too nice or too mean to the point of behaving out of character. The writing, the dialogue, everything was noticeably a downgrade. Peter and MJ’s relationship feels fake and almost like a Christian couple holding out on having sex until marriage. The part that bothered me the most was towards the end when Norman finds an unconscious Harry being carried into an ambulance and screams at Peter in anger like he did something to Harry and all Peter says in response is “I’m sorry” despite having just went through hell to save Norman’s son. And the worst part is that NO ONE in Peter’s corner stood up for him. Everything in this world feels too clean and sanitized and I question if anyone at Insomniac actually know what life is like in New York.
I remember watching Skill Up’s review of Dragon Age Veilguard and hearing him describe the dialogue as everyone speaking as if “HR is in the room”. I feel like that’s the perfect explanation of why SM2’s dialogue feels so unauthentic
The main problem for was the fact that the sequel had no sauce you know like in the first game it was like going to a authentic restaurant and being amazed by the flavor and then the sequel feels like ur going to an imitation restaurant that says there authentic but arnt sure its good hell its great in some aspects but tastes a little bit worse
Yeah it’s very generic game as a whole, but Mile’s Suffered from this the most. Peter Personality wise still feels like himself. Miles was very stale personality wise, a complete 180 compared to SM1 & MM.
@@Anonymous.ThroneI would argue the opposite where Peter felt nothing like how he was in the past games. Could be due to him grieving Aunt May but still he felt like a different person at times at least for me.
@@abhinavgandham4883 every character was affected tbh. This aftermath of this game is so sad. The hype before hand was tremendous,now it feels like it’s living in the shadows of what it could’ve been.
Wow that totally explained everything. I dont even mind sm2 critique hell despite how much i like the game i have critiques of my own my problem with u guys is yall cant critique the game for shit like u made a whole analogy that literally said nothing on how sm2 was bad u literally just said “sm2 wasnt as good as the first game” ok but how?
After Spiderman 2 my interest in the series has fallen off drastically. This is the only series of games I've ever pre-ordered. Now after spiderman 2 I felt... empty. The flaws in their first game I understood was their first attempt and I understood that. I *tolerated* the MJ and Miles missions. Spiderman 2 doubling down on things I didn't like the character interactions becoming sterile wasn't as starting at miles morales. Geez the side quests are even worse in spiderman 2 I prefer spiderman 1 and miles morales. The first 2 games made me open a new save file spiderman 2 I just don't want to play again.
I'm at a cross roads there. In regards to gameplay, Spidey 2 and even Miles were such big improvements that I have a hard time going back to the first, but in terms of narrative the first is damn near peak Spidey and Miles and 2 just don't even come close. Both had their very strong points but as a whole neither approach how good the first was and 2 in particular has some very low lows that drag the good down.
I think you were way too harsh on the side content in spiderman 1...I loved checking off all the bases and challenges...I felt they were entirely missed in spiderman 2... that was my biggest disappointment of spiderman 2.
It's not nearly bad enough for me to outright dislike the side content or feel like it drags the game down, but I think it's fair to say it's pretty formulaic and especially the story-based side quests fall flat. Even still the first game is easily one of my favorites from the ps4 gen
I’ve gotta disagree just in terms of variety. My biggest problem on replaying the game was that every base looks, feels, and plays pretty much identically. For comparison my mind immediately goes to the Militia Bases in Batman Arkham Knight, which acted again as checkbox missions where you take back the city, but each one there had a unique layout and sometimes even approach to completing it. To me the Spider-Man ones felt very copy and paste in every aspect.
With a fanbase as unhinged as this one? It was bound to happen. What the first game truly taught me is that an insane marketing campaign will get you far and it got them so far they got cocky and it shows. The steam ran out with the sequel the lack of marketing was the first indicator of a game that isn't bringing anything new to the table otherwise the devs would be itching to give us a taste.
agree. everyone went on and on about how good it was, but i don't think it holds a candle to the first 1. story is def a let down in sm2, which was my favorite part of sm1, and honestly sm:mm
@15:39. I liked that side mission. It was one of my favorites on there. -the spiderman imposter is actually doing good things and not tarnishing Spiderman's name like past imposters of him have tried to do -he actually knew how to fight which means this wasn't the typical "guy tries to pretend to be super hero but gets kidnapped" ordeal. He actually knew how to defend himself. He fights the bad guys with you. -the mission ends on a good note with spiderman praising the guy's fighting skills but tells him. What hes doing is extremely dangerous and to stop doing it as him. I enjoyed it
It all started with the face change. an obvious tactic to either bend over to Sony, or to capitalize off the popularity of Tom hollands portrayal. such a disappointment this series turned out to be
I feel like the comparison to Tom Holland is a bit too cynical. He barely looks like Tom Holland, if at all (even the hair is different.) Like, it feels like looking for a reason to dislike it past "I think the old one was better."
@xnortheast1106 oh yeah totally! I mean, they look exactly the same! Well except for the facial structure, nose, eyes, eye color, hairstyle, hair color, general build, and basically anything but skin color, but besides those things they're practically identical!
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This is definitely a hot take, but I actually thought that Phin was pretty sympathetic, terrorism is bad let's establish this, but Phin makes good points about how people like Krieger get away with all the stuff they do because they have all of the power (think, Roxxon somehow got permission to not only have a paramilitary organization but a fucking nuclear reactor in Harlem) and Miles only response is "NO THAT'S BAD, IF ONLY ONE PERSON GOT HURT-" which tells me 'okay, this Miles Morales is a fucking narc'
@@theoutsiderjess1869 The Underground specifically targets Roxxon guards and it's only when Spider-Man get's involved that the situation escalates catastrophically
SM2 felt like safe, corporate slop. Zero edge or intrigue to the story. The characters are bland and scenes are lifeless. Frustrating how disappointing it was for me
@giggitymaster8799 yes it was. Except for wall crawling tho. The wallcrawling is still broken. I, for one, missed using the web bomb in combination with the concussive blast.
The devs got too comfortable for lack of a more extreme word, that one dev straight up said "I don't care if MJ is too OP or you don't like her, I'm gonna find a way to do more even if I need to cut other content"
My main issue with Insomniac's Spider Man (both games) is how inaccurate their depiction of NYC is. The depiction comes across like it was helmed by someone who thinks NYC is just downtown Manhattan causing the rest of the city to feel sterile, static, gentrified and the worst thing that can be said about an open world, boring. Every great depiction of NYC is defined by the people. All the NPCS are overtly nice in a hyperbolic way to the point where I don't think I heard a single swear word or even a slight aggression throughout my entire playthrough, which is a common form of communication among New Yorkers/ the "mind your business, don't stand out, keep it pushing" mentality is a part of the lifestyle when living in the city. The NPCs aren't even dressed in conventional fashion trends i.e. Timbs, a shiesty for the winter, north face puffer jackets, hairstyles like braids, fades, dreads, buzzcuts, waves or even a single durag. I hate how as means of depicting the diversity of NYC, they played it safe and only showed Harlem and axed Washington Heights, Flushing, the entirety of the Bronx and East Brooklyn. Apartment buildings look as homogenized as the skyscrapers. The traffic in this game is only ever interesting when it's a scripted vehicle chase side quest due to how unrealistically good and orderly everyone drives. Look, I get this game is targeted for everyone, so you won't get a Max Payne style Noir York City or a GTA 4 Liberty City, but to think that both Spider Man games came out after Insomniac released Sunset Overdrive makes me question if this is even the same developer. Sunset Overdrive is more Spider Man in ethos than Spider Man/ SM2 is and that's baffling. There's nothing worse than being boring. insomniac Spider Man is boring.
6:30 I personally like the "filler villains" included in the narrative. It makes the game and world feel more alive. Like yeah he has these bigger situations to handle but that doesn't stop what his other rogues gallery is doing. Especially with Insomniac pretty vocal how this Spidey been doing this for years, so him going on a side quest to take down shocker or taskmaster real quick is very fitting if you ask me. The other villains you see and fight I feel don't demand too much characterization, as again, this game is pretty much expect you to be a fan of the franchise. Idk, Ik that sounds odd but trying to characterized soo many pre established characters would drag the narrative. It's a bit lazy, sure, kind of know who Electro is and what's he's going to say, you catch my drift? Like us fighting the sinister six is really suppose to showcase how battle hardened or experience this Spidey is, and they're no more than just cameos the way I looked at it. TLDR: they're there to pad the game and offer fanservice, but I personally think it's done well given the setup, like, if you take out those fights it's just Doc and Martin, while very good villains but you lose out on a lot of what this game is trying to tell you about this Spidey. Haven't got to watch the entire vid but I'll leave this here until I watch the rest.
These games need to stop trying to be the 4th Live-Action Spider-Man Movie and start embracing comic-book wackiness. Give Peter his silly web attacks from Shattered Dimensions, let him and Miles rant about the Avengers, X-Men and F4 doing jack shit about a potential Symbiote Chernobyl that could end Mankind, make my boy Ben Reilly a cool plot revelant superhero who stays that way and never regresses as a character. And make the visuals look like Sunset Overdrive. I Double Dare you, Insomniac.
I wish we had the web-based gadgets of the first game. I one time did a playthrough of the first game where i could only best thugs by webbing them to the wall/floor, and i had an absolute blast doing it.
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I like spiderman 2 alot it made some great improvement my problems with it is that it feels rushed and it is too short other than that its a solid spiderman but more could have been done especially when it comes to symbiote spiderman
I’m black and I was a teenager that criticism is exactly right I don’t like Miles now but I used to looking back this kid has no soul, no base in his voice, no real personality he’s basically Peter Parker but black. If they had a black writer working on him he would be the exact opposite of Peter Parker. Miles would be cool and smooth and confident while Peter would be that older and slightly dorky guy
After the announcement of the dlc (which I basically was waitin for them announce) not happenin a while back i genuinely deleted the game and i really fw insomniac take on my goat but i do not like the direction they took when it came to this game
I could be wrong, but I think 3 of those DLC's got cancelled because of that hacker. Idk, I could be wrong. Also I'll admit, Insomniac should've said something.
@@thecursingtax5729 its going to come out. If they don't they'll have have to pay Marvel a large sum of money as per the agreement I saw. and the game is well into development they can't back out now. But it will launch on pc day and date.
You said Miles didn’t fail with Phin, she just didn’t listen, but it’s more complicated than that. Miles lied to and manipulated Phin to find out about and stop her plan. He used her friendship to keep his vow as Spider-man and protect the city. Was he wrong to do so? Maybe not, but if he was upfront and honest from the beginning Phin would’ve listened to him, at least about Krieger changing the specs on the reactor. She only refuses to listen because he lied to her face before to stop her. I believe Mile’s character in SMMM, or at least part of it, is learning to value his loved one just as much as his Spider-Man life. I believe he’s so focused on living up to Peter’s legacy he neglects his other half of his life, he essentially admits this to Phin and the cafe, and I think dialogue like “You’re gonna kill your self to prove you deserve that mask?” from Aaron and Rio telling Peter that all Miles talks about is his Spider-Man life in SM2 hint at this.
A fair point. I might have been a little too flippant about the "0 setup to miles' current problems/growth" thing. But i guess what setup is there just feels very lackluster overall? I kinda of have to go digging for it. And not in a "they're being subtle with their storytelling" kinda way but a "let's skip all the middle steps" kinda way. I think the fact that for the most part miles' life goes smooth as butter compared to Peter's (him and Hailee are only brought closer by him being Spiderman, his best friend is an active and interested participant in his second identity, his mom finds out early and is relatively relaxed about it, he has a mentor that's pretty attentive outside his short symbiote stint, he's going to a great school that honors him with presents and declares him the official superhero of the school, he seems to be on a clear path of success academically with his 1 "setback" being pretty positive overall, etc) it doesnt make me feel like he's sacrificing his non-spiderman side to live up to peter. It feels like a classic case of tell not show. So I definitely don't disagree with what you brought up, but I guess functionally it doesnt change much for me cause of those missing elements
@ Nah I agree with you, I’m not even completely my interpretation of SMMM’s moral was intended by the writers, I strongly assume it is because of some dialogue lines, like Jeff’s final speech at the end of the postcards side mission.
I still don’t know why it’s not called Spider Men. There’s two of them. I have no idea how citizens differentiate between them in the lore (Miles is definitely Black Spider Man you know it’s true) but they def weren’t part of the marketing decision. What if your in a unique situation and you need Miles electric powers, then Peter shows up and you’re like wtf. And If they’re a team, they need a team name. The webslingers. The arachnids. The bouncey boys….
Im confused on roxon, it was a huge company and even with th events of miles moralis, the company is still strong and hinted to be more of a threat, buffing rhino, but for some reason, roxon is just not even there, or mentioned in spiderman 2 at all...i think in spiderman 3 there should be a power struggle plot with roxon and oscorp
I actually like the MJ missions because of the story. Including the exploration in Norman's safe house, but yeah Insomniac should've had her mission not be all stealth. Same goes to Miles.
People talk about the sequel like its the worst thing they've ever played, no it was a solid 8.5-9/10 game that just didn't completely perfect and fix the systems it implemented in the first game. Not everything needs to be a god of war ragnarok, I understand the issues but people should seriously stop hating on this game so much
For me the game is a 6.5/10. the worst Part is replayability. I started new Game plus and made it Till Harrys lab when You have to greet all the people for the First time and Play as a bee Hunter and omg it is such a clusterfuck
37:43 I think the side missions with the Flame should’ve been integrated into the main story. Harry should’ve been radicalized by the Flame, thus leading to the twist left out of the marketing where we get a Spider-Men vs Symbiotes Finale.
They messed up with Miles morales because in spiderman 2 Miles has nothing to do in the story hell the side quest in miles morales is where they peaked.
The whole "it makes me a better Spider-Man" narratives fits Miles more than Peter. Miles was the one so blinded by the events of the first game that he literally almost let people drown on the boat with the convoy. His efficiency as Spider Man diminishes every time he saw Li. Peter, on the other hand, does not have this issue within this game. It almost feels like they nerfed him specifically so that conflict can try to fit Peter's character, but considering how he soloed the Sinister Six in the first game, with 14 broken bones mind you, its hard to believe he would feel that about himself
My biggest issue with the games is the writing. Everything feels so Barney. So educational. It feels like those student news skits in the MCU spiderman trilogy. Like it's all safe for work but lacks the edge/depth needed to make these characters feel real. Like sure Miles is portrayed as struggling with his Dad's death and forgiving Martin Li but it's always treated like "ugh idk what to do about my anger with Martin, anyways what's up with you guys" like...
I would mess with insomniac a bit more that as an apology for the lack luster support of Spider-Man if they added the traversal of Spider-Man 2 to the first two games. Just adding extra tricks, and up the speed.
All I’m going to say about this is that if you want a franchise to be successful, then you have to give the fans and audiences what they want to see when they experience it, because I feel like too many times big corporations like Sony just do whatever they want and hope people just hop on the bandwagon.
50:04 I disagree with this statement about Peter, because the reason he's been off his game has been slowly been hinted at, and finally revealed when Miles and Mr. Negative enter Peter's mind. It's his grief, and the stress he never fully processed that is making him want to 'be better'. But Peter also sees he's messing up in the beginning of the game, and ended up stabbed by Kraven, but notices he's doing better with the suit. So he associates the suit with it making him a better Spider-Man. He still hasn't addressed the real reason for why he's the way he is now, until Miles and Martin Li confront him, and pull him out. It's also what makes him realise he might need a temporary break from being Spider-Man for his mental health, and personal life. And as for Miles later on, these things Martin Li is showing isn't true, but they are Miles' insecurities. He WORRIES about whether if he is maybe abandoning his friends and family by being Spider-Man too often. This is a question inside his head, and Martin Li just goes "YEAH YOU ARE! HOW COULD YOU ABANDON US?!" The hurting part refers more so to Phin perhaps, and him still being hurt by it (you can actually go to Trinity Church and see the little trophy from the last game, and Miles will interact and show he still grieves her), so now this becomes a What If in his head, which Martin then feeds into. We don't actually see anything in the game to suggest Miles does abandon his loved ones or that he only hurts people, but that's the point. It's all in his head, and Martin Li feeds on it to give affirmation to his fears and worries, to break Miles mentally. You even hear Miles reject these things eventually, because he doesn't truly believe in them.
In my opinion, I appreciate all the stuff Insomniac brings to the table except for the restricted swinging. I hated it whenever people would say Spider-Man PS4’s swinging surpassed Spider-Man 2, when Spider-Man PS4 had some of most restrictive swinging we’ve ever had. Why is it so hard to just make a swinging system with no boundaries like in the original Spider-Man 2? Wouldn’t it take more work and effort to make systems that restrict the player rather than give them web swinging freedom? Seriously, it’s like developers of Spider-Man games are actively trying to avoid freeform swinging for whatever reason. None of the games after the original Spider-Man 2 had that same system. Spider-Man 3, Ultimate, Web Of Shadows, and The Amazing Games. All of these had restrictions in some way. What is so wrong with going back to Spider-Man 2?
Honestly playing through the old spider-man 2 game again I realized how clunky it felt now. Idk if you've played it recently but imo the lack of restrictions leads to an absolute headache when swinging especially with that games (impressive, but often annoying) physics system. If you haven't played that game recently I'd suggest going back, I wonder if you'll maybe have a different opinion
@ Thats why a modern take would be amazing. Give the player the freedom to swing however, but don’t just let the game go wild and ruin the fun. We have the technology to make something incredible now.
@C-View1 not sure if this counts but you can turn web assist down to 0 in sm2. It definitely makes it trickier but not 100% as random and frustrating as original sm2
@ Yeah, I know about that one. The original is really janky, but I think it shined if a player could really get their skills up, but it did include an easy mode for people who didn’t get the hang of it. I don’t really know how you can make an unrestricted system without the hiccups that original Spider-Man 2 did.
Have miles stop " baby taking " dont be afraid to tell an adult story. Let the heroes be flawed, stop with gadets and incorporate different ways to use the web instead.
Kraven and Doc ock are the two best villains they made r.i.p to tony todd i felt like they should have waited to do Venom. I have seen so many people screw Venom and peter up that Im sick of seeing Venom as a character.
One problem with venom is well why does he call himself venom other spiderman media gives some reason why, also would have loved to have harey be a hero for awhile longer instead of only having a brief moment to see him doing crimes. Also how i saw the story is doc conores mentioning what the stmboite is and peter then just turns evil like all his dialogue changes no real build up
Finally someone mentioned how bad the voice acting was in the old man side mission! Loved the narrative but oh my god his voice bothered the hell out of me
I wouldn’t say the second game has better side missions but I do agree that some of them have better writing. My favorites are the ones with old people like Howard, the blind woman, and the grandpa. But every other mission chain I can recall has some weird low point that makes me question why it’s in the game. The flame and the musician side missions start with some boring spider bot sections. I was kind of disappointed when you do the flame with the black suit and there are no different interactions at all. I’m not asking for a complete rewrite but just something that’s different. I liked the deaf mission until they introduced shake the controller graffiti mini games that are there to waste my time. The college is full of horrible side missions apart from the first where you save a teacher. The puzzle one sucks and the gay one is one that just rubs me the wrong way as there’s nothing fun about it and you know it’s only there so that they can normalize being gay to kids. I don’t care about having gays or flags in the game but when you see this mission with nothing fun about it then you know it’s just there for that reason and it hits different. I have ADHD and I will hate any of these that have some slow section like listening to him or doing graffiti especially when it doesn’t matter to anything and actual interesting sections from the game are given skip buttons in the pause menu while these aren’t. When you talk to the grandfather and he tells you how he proposed to his wife you can tell that the SM you’re playing as is taking notes for when they ask a girl out or propose to MJ but you know Miles isn’t doing the same thing with the gay kid which makes it uninteresting. The vulture drone missions are only interesting story wise in the end and remove all of the interesting parts from “gliding” and replace it with simple Superman 64 like fly through the ring missions that made them feel the need to add skip buttons. Even outside of side missions they added a bunch of unnecessary sections that make me wonder why they didn’t skip those and focus more on the main SM gameplay. They added a new version of the mini games for Peter doing his job from wiring to another type of puzzle which I’m fine with but then they also add bee drone sections. They added a bunch of carnival games and a lot of other stuff in this game that is completely unrelated to SM like bikes and basketball. They decided to take several brakes from making a SM game WHILE ON THE JOB! A lot of the stuff I don’t like feels like it was made with an agenda like the gay and deaf side missions one of which I’m not completely against but that makes it feel like they and a lot of the sections I don’t like from this game were prioritized over other things. If they were rushed and had to cut another part of this game it feels like it would be something like the playable Venom section rather than some of these time wasting mini games. The only reason I dislike the mysteriums is because I had hoped that the Venom section could be extended through challenge missions like the ones in Arkham where they let you play as every playable character but these showed me that their alternative was exclusive to Miles which also kept me from seeing more of the black suit which has some unique animations I loved that you won’t even see again even after getting anti venom or new game +. The main SM gameplay feels half baked as there are barely any major improvements I can recall. I mostly remember the gliding, countering, and a few unique upgrades from the skill tree like pulling enemies around with webs, hitting enemies upwards while in midair, and one unique combo when you get an enemy against a wall. The gadgets all suck imo and the special abilities were better in Miles’ game where they all feel useful and you use your meter when you think one of them will be useful. Now the first one you get is just a useless combo with the arms and you just use your abilities when their individual meters are full. If this game had the same meter as Miles I’d never find myself using most of the abilities you get in this game. There’s just a lot of things that I do love in this game that are sidelined for some of the most mediocre garbage I’ve seen in a while.
8:23 and 9:27 and 48:20 - I don't understand your praise for Insomniac's versions of Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker... Insomniac's Mary Jane Watson only has one personality trait and it's that she's a hot shot reporter that always gets the scoop, basically making her a Lois Lane rip-off and changing the core of her personality and how she interacts with the world and fundamentally changing how she interacts with Peter, and her character arc in the first "Marvel's Spider-Man" video game wasn’t very well thought out because Bryan Intihar and Jon Paquette made it seem like she had a death wish lol... It makes sense to want to be trusted and viewed as an equal in a relationship, but having Mary Jane think she can just do the things Spider-Man does is different. Also, Insomniac's Peter Parker is just so flawless, fluffy, and boring and if he has any flaws it boils down to "You are too kind ...\ Push yourself too hard". He has the same exact problem all the other characters in the "Marvel's Spider-Man" video games have which is they are *all* overly polite and kind of weirdly sterile in how they interact with each other and this is a problem because it makes them all uninteresting to watch and they never have anything interesting to say because you know they are always gonna say the nice and supportive thing and it just makes them boring and it also has the issue of them all kind of sounding the same. Insomniac's Peter Parker is too nice and he doesn't have any negative attributes for the symbiote to exaggerate which is why the symbiote has to just brainwash him and turn him essentially into a completely different person in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2" . 54:39 - How do you really don't know why people hate Kraven and *especially* Venom in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2"??? A Kraven with henchmen isn't Kraven... Kraven is such a one note antagonist and is just a walking scowl and a music cue in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2". Also, they literally stripped Venom of all his unique personality in favor of making him a generic alien monster who's hellbent on world domination... Insomniac's depiction of Venom was barely even recognizable as Venom outside of his powers, design, and voice... Venom in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2" is a combination of two pre-existing characters, the first is Harry Osborn who is just a really bland nice guy and is written like a five-year-old's idea of what a best friend should be and he's just a dude who's really nice and that's it..., and then there's the symbiote, the second half of Venom, who's just a very boring one-dimensional evil brainwashing parasite in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2"...
The fridge scene gets brought up cause it makes no sense How MJ is able to react to it and jump in front of him despite him having a sixth sense. If anything makes MJ look stupid and just adds to the pile of the character assassination Peter suffers thoughout the game. The deaf girl mission gets so much hate cause why am I playing as a deaf girl in a game called Spider-Man.
About the MJ thing, if someone you cared about and loved was about to get hit by an alien, wouldn’t you want to protect them? And also it’s more like an instinctive reaction by her and there really is no time to think “oh he has a sense that could see incoming attacks he should be fine.” It’s more like I see someone I love about to get hit, I should protect them, just human nature 🤷♂️
Despite being voiced by the same person i think Peter Insomniac and Ben Tennyson AF s1+2 and Ben onward are written completely differently. peter is obviously the most mature but frequently quips and agitates people with his annoying dialogue. Ben S1-2 is like peter without the quips he is calm and kind willing to help and will sometimes crack jokes but is mostly mature with how he approaches things. Miles should be written like Ben S3 onward where he makes dumb decisions because he is young and has more powers than peter leading him to think he doesnt have to be careful. he see's conflicts in a more black and white way like Ben does and maybe he is more reckless in saving people often focusing on the fight and not the collateral of people being hurt like peter would. not only that but more conflicts could arise from him not tying up loose ends or toying with the villains. maybe He see the villians as horrible people and him the hero who could do not wrong and he completely misjudges a situation like in spectacular spiderman with Electro. maybe he is just meaner than peter remember he is a teen. He was a fanboy who was inspired by Spider-Man to help others but he was incredibly reckless in the first game getting himself into dangerous situations that he could barely get himself out of. maybe in future games like a Spider-Man Miles Morales 2 it addresses that as his character because rn he just feels like a black peter parker. in SM2 i didnt really care to switch between them for the side missions because their dialogue is mostly the same
I heard that the way the game came out wasn’t cause insomniac it was cause Sony I think someone said and they rushed the game cause it was getting closer and closer to there wanted release date so they had to cut a lot of stuff insomniac wanted to keep in
13:31 might be jumping the gun here, but do they not have the rights to include MCU characters in these games? I feel like there’s a whole plethora of extras and side characters from the movies, tv shows, and comics who could fill out NYC-PS4/5 that aren’t in it for some reason…
The reason you felt less invested with the second game is because it’s story had no soul that’s what happens when you get a half baked story it seems great on the outside but it lacks the layers and depth the first game had. Plus it goes out of its way to emasculate, sideline, and even put down Peter Parker who’s supposed to be the main character. Miles shouldn’t have been in this game because he simply just doesn’t fit in this story and the symbiotic invasion was ridiculous because they that type of story would involve other superheroes so it didn’t fit for this game this should’ve been a grounded spider man story with Peter Parker, Harry, the symbiote, Normal being an evil bastard, Kraven hunting spider man not his villains, could’ve had Kraven break out Mysterio and Sandman to test Spider-Man, and you could’ve had Norman turn Conner’s into the lizard to cover up his dirty dealings
The hyperbolic discourse over Insomniac's Spider-Man is really bizzarre. Everyone acts like Spider-Man 1 is this immaculate, perfect product while Miles and Spider-Man 2 especially are treated like trash. "Fans" have come to dismiss every single flaw in 1 and every improvements in the sequels. No, Spider-Man 1 didn't have a perfect story, Act 1 and 2 have some really bad pacing where it feels like you accidentally play story missions while doing all that weak open world activities. The MJ and Miles missions are too archaic and restricted, boss battles are barely boss battles, gadgets while cool make combat way too easy. Yes they absolutely nail Act 3 and landing, but that doesn't make the game immune to criticism. Miles and 2 are just better games wjen you actually 'play' them, even if you think the stories aren't as good as 1.
I finally got a ps5 and have been playing spider man 2 all week, I really don’t understand the hate…granted I haven’t beat the game yet but it’s a good game man, like wtf is the complaints about lol
although there are definitely valid criticisms of the game, like the rushed symbiote plot, a ton of the criticism comes from the "anti woke" crowd who throw a fit whenever a gay person is even mentioned, and just hate the whole game because of it
Just played through Miles Morales since it was on sale and man, I was bored. Characters are so generic and Miles is way too strong way too quickly. Not to mention its short as heck and I barely had to do any side activities to reach the end.
8:35 No I'm going to stop you right there. For some reason people are tying to act oblivious to why we don't care about MJ in this game or any other game. She's meant to be an NPC. The civilian that spiderman would do anything to protect. Beautiful, not overly smart, normal. An everyday person who isn't going out trying to be a vigilante and somehow being great at it with seasoned villains and their merc henchmen falling to her. Stop the BS bo one asked for that. MJ isn't special, but she's everything to Peter Parker. For some dumb reason we're trying going to give her props for *PUTTING HERSELF IN DANGER ... MAKING THE SITUATION MORE HAZARDOUS FOR SPIDERMAN TO WORK?* Naw man just make another character. Shoot they could have introduced the "Spider family" anything but this garbage trope of the every day person being able to be in the trenches with the heros. It snaps the suspension of belief in half because I know just about 1 girl that can jump in and help the main hero at a moments notice without it being cliched. That's Batgirl. Damn give me Felecia and spiderman working together and then add MJ in for the relationship issue angle that makes sense. But seeing that normal mosery through clear situations she's getting zeroed in without plot armour is too crazy. Give her a suit if you're gonna give her that much of a "F U I am MJ hear me roar" role.
I still love the game. It was great iml, but yeah I'll admit. Marvel's Spider-Man 2 wasn't the best, it wasn't perfect like the last two games in the series, & it could've been done a whole lot better. But it's not Insomniac's fault though, they did actually had a lot more planned in the 2nd game. But thanks to Sony, the whole game was rushed.
Ayy that boi back with a hour long video and a sponsor! Let’s go! Before watching, Spider-Man 2 was so disappointing to me in the end. While I enjoyed my first playthrough for the most part. The second made all the issues shine and my rose colored glasses fell off. How did Peter lose gadgets? Ratchet has 3 weapon wheels of guns but Peter somehow loses like 6 gadgets… Seems like they just wanted to put him more in line with Miles for whatever reason. The amount he got saved was irritating as well. MJ should be dead. Her plot armor is absurd (which the director even acknowledged and laughed about) and her playable sections were absolutely ridiculous. Why am I spray painting a wall as a deaf girl in a Spider-Man game?? This game could’ve been perfect but insomniac dropped the ball and are unfortunately listening to the wrong consultants. My Wolverine hype is gone now.
Haha thank you! Good to see ya here. Not sure if we align with everything here but I see where you're coming from. I'm a little nicer to SM2 than some people for sure, mainly because I think some of the biggest problems I have are temporary and don't really permeate through the whole experience, but I understand that with enough of those small issues it can get frustrating
@@majodyalayawi8802 he got hit lote of times in first game, the problem here is him not getting up, he went from beating sinistro six with a bunch of broken bones to not being able to lift a fridge after having a lower reaction time than a normal human
@@marveltv2714 are we just going to ignore the fact that something similar happened to him also in the first game. If you didn’t know, Peter got pinned over by the server boxes and it still took him a long time to get them off of his back. I personally blame this on bad choreography rather than him being nerfed.
Peter is weaker on purpose you guys just clearly don’t know how to read deeper into the narrative. Peter is off of his game after aunt May’s death so he relies on the mechanical arms to be on par with miles. When he gets the symbiote he’s so attached because it makes him feel like he’s not inferior to what he thinks he’s supposed to be. He literally says multiple times that the suit “makes him a better spider-man” and that’s why he believes he must keep it.
Tbh I could be wrong, but I think it was because of that hacker the DLC got cancelled. I'm not making excuses btw, Insomniac still should've said something instead of having fans wait & get excited for nothing.
This may sound dumb but i hated Pete retiring because as you said we just got introduced to him but idk why i had never thought of the fact he's been Spider-Man for roughly a decade of course he wants some time off. So i just wanted to say thank you for making that scene make a little more sense to me
he isn't retiring he's taking a mental health brake to focus on getting his peter parker life together (the only problem i have with the final cutscene is that god awful suit they have my man miles in)
I never played Spider Man PS4 and Miles Morales till I got to play Spider Man 2 PS5, honestly Spider Man 2 is a bit overhated and everyone are overreacting. Sure it has some flaws but it still is a great game, their version of Venom is one of my interpretations of the Lethal Protector.
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Thank you for acknowledging how cringe the writing gets after the first game, I thought I was going crazy because it seemed like I was the only person who felt like everyone was such a cornball. (Especially Miles)
And not even in a normal Spider-Man way.
The first game they actually hired comic book writers, that is why it was so good
@onglanh5329 As a reader of the comics you can see Dan Slott influences (Aunt May at feast, Doc Ock being main baddie) it just feels very 616 amazing Spider-Man esq you know? The characterization was there in the second game it was just the pacing and how much of a goodie two shoes everyone is, the characters just don't have the same emotional range of a normal human and also with how insane the game. gets with its action over pacing approach (which I liked but it clearly was speedy when the story did not need it.)
I really wish this game was fully completed and had all the DLC's it would have been one of the best Spider-Man games...
What made the first game’s writing good?
@@pn2294 the pacing is extremely better and has a bigger focus on character over spectacle and the game properly sets up and finishes a plot point when it's the right moment, that's why the Doc Ock fight is more hard hitting. I really hope we can get the writers back for the third game because the writing clearly did go downhill after Miles Morales...
If anything bothers me about Kraven, it's that his army of video game mooks feels like it runs contrary to his motivation. Kraven wants to go up against enemies that can test him and potentially kill him. But instead, he's just got a group of mooks that seemingly hunt his quarry for him a good amount of the time and he creates counters to all of his targets' strengths before fighting them in an arena that he constructs in advance, which feels like it gives him more of an edge than he should ideally want.
He's not Kraven *the Gladiator* and I don't know why the game keeps trying to turn him into that.
True. He goes into the Scorpion fight immune to his poison, so then Scorpion becomes "Some guy with a flexible spike"
I imagine he went against Electro in some sort of insulation suit 😭
I fully agree but disagree at the same time. Kraven in this game was trash cause he has multiple goals which conflict with each other. He wants to hunt his strongest prey to prove himself but then he also wants that prey to kill him cause that’s the only way he’ll be satisfied? So he’s half Hunter half Gladiator? His team of lackeys being hella OP and setting up traps and shit kinda fits Kraven The HUNTER’s style. But again I agree, the dying in battle thing is.. idk.. this game is mid
Only issue I had is that Kraven has an army that pretty much hunts the prey for him instead when he claims himself to be the world's greatest hunter. Also that his army of hunters were nothing but jokes & just all talk. Reason I say that because MJ could take them down in stealth, hell they are all hunters & she's a reporter.
He can't hunt like he used to, because he has late stage cancer. He can't do what he would do in his prime, in some audio messages he revealed he has little time left, so obvious he'd be in a rush to find his equal, not being able to do it himself as he's physically unable to.
This is hardly the first time that Kraven has had minions and he’s always been hypocritical
I feel like insomniac got too comfortable after the first game because they knew they had to get everyone on board, now they hardly have to do anything to gather loads of people lusting over everything they release
Too comfortable is the perfect description. This is clearly seen in Bryan Intihar's interview with IGN.
"If MJ is a little OP I don't give a sh*t" being his response to the criticism towards something players didn't even want as well as blatantly admitting that he was going to get the MJ missions into the game at the expense of Content player would've loved.
"Give people things they want and add things people don't think they want and make them like that stuff".
The first game was worshipped by spiderman fans with certain channels becoming echo chambers that will run to their defense. They were bound to become that arrogant.
i think sony rushed them to put 2 out early ngl.
@@zacharyjackson3104Thats also true, but they used that short time they had to add something they knew players wouldn't want rather making the best out of it.
@@baki484hope yo aren’t on Reddit the main sub is pure negativity and some people make a polar opposite sub that’s basically insomniac glazing mecha where anything talking bad about the game get downvoted to hell
@@zacharyjackson3104no. Sony gave them a deadline and they also gave them 5 years and a movie level budget. Intihar wasted time and resource on shit nobody wanted in the game and admitted to not reaching the deadline.
The weirdest thing about SM2 for me is the world and the people of New York not feeling authentic anymore as opposed to SM1 and MM. I’m a native New Yorker and everyone in this game is either too nice or too mean to the point of behaving out of character. The writing, the dialogue, everything was noticeably a downgrade. Peter and MJ’s relationship feels fake and almost like a Christian couple holding out on having sex until marriage.
The part that bothered me the most was towards the end when Norman finds an unconscious Harry being carried into an ambulance and screams at Peter in anger like he did something to Harry and all Peter says in response is “I’m sorry” despite having just went through hell to save Norman’s son. And the worst part is that NO ONE in Peter’s corner stood up for him.
Everything in this world feels too clean and sanitized and I question if anyone at Insomniac actually know what life is like in New York.
I remember watching Skill Up’s review of Dragon Age Veilguard and hearing him describe the dialogue as everyone speaking as if “HR is in the room”. I feel like that’s the perfect explanation of why SM2’s dialogue feels so unauthentic
@@JesusXinathisssss lol
I think in the next game they should put ME in the game and it’ll instantly be a 10/10
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The main problem for was the fact that the sequel had no sauce you know like in the first game it was like going to a authentic restaurant and being amazed by the flavor and then the sequel feels like ur going to an imitation restaurant that says there authentic but arnt sure its good hell its great in some aspects but tastes a little bit worse
Yeah it’s very generic game as a whole, but Mile’s Suffered from this the most. Peter Personality wise still feels like himself. Miles was very stale personality wise, a complete 180 compared to SM1 & MM.
@@Anonymous.ThroneI would argue the opposite where Peter felt nothing like how he was in the past games. Could be due to him grieving Aunt May but still he felt like a different person at times at least for me.
@@abhinavgandham4883 every character was affected tbh. This aftermath of this game is so sad. The hype before hand was tremendous,now it feels like it’s living in the shadows of what it could’ve been.
Wow that totally explained everything. I dont even mind sm2 critique hell despite how much i like the game i have critiques of my own my problem with u guys is yall cant critique the game for shit like u made a whole analogy that literally said nothing on how sm2 was bad u literally just said “sm2 wasnt as good as the first game” ok but how?
@@Anonymous.Thronehow was miles stale? See yall dont explain shit
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After Spiderman 2 my interest in the series has fallen off drastically.
This is the only series of games I've ever pre-ordered. Now after spiderman 2 I felt... empty.
The flaws in their first game I understood was their first attempt and I understood that. I *tolerated* the MJ and Miles missions.
Spiderman 2 doubling down on things I didn't like the character interactions becoming sterile wasn't as starting at miles morales. Geez the side quests are even worse in spiderman 2 I prefer spiderman 1 and miles morales.
The first 2 games made me open a new save file spiderman 2 I just don't want to play again.
I'm at a cross roads there. In regards to gameplay, Spidey 2 and even Miles were such big improvements that I have a hard time going back to the first, but in terms of narrative the first is damn near peak Spidey and Miles and 2 just don't even come close. Both had their very strong points but as a whole neither approach how good the first was and 2 in particular has some very low lows that drag the good down.
I feel like you should've watched the video before commenting. His points about the side quests being better are great.
@@Comicbroe405 Or maybe, despite what the video says, this user still believes what they said
@@thatboikhy Maybe you're right but also many do that a lot, there's even a guy here admitting as such.
@@Comicbroe405you when people think for themselves:
I think you were way too harsh on the side content in spiderman 1...I loved checking off all the bases and challenges...I felt they were entirely missed in spiderman 2... that was my biggest disappointment of spiderman 2.
It's not nearly bad enough for me to outright dislike the side content or feel like it drags the game down, but I think it's fair to say it's pretty formulaic and especially the story-based side quests fall flat. Even still the first game is easily one of my favorites from the ps4 gen
I miss the Taskmaster missions
Especially his boss fight
I’ve gotta disagree just in terms of variety. My biggest problem on replaying the game was that every base looks, feels, and plays pretty much identically. For comparison my mind immediately goes to the Militia Bases in Batman Arkham Knight, which acted again as checkbox missions where you take back the city, but each one there had a unique layout and sometimes even approach to completing it. To me the Spider-Man ones felt very copy and paste in every aspect.
I’m just glad people are waking up that Spider-Man 2 was not all that great and overhyped.
They’ve been doing this since the game came out.
With a fanbase as unhinged as this one? It was bound to happen.
What the first game truly taught me is that an insane marketing campaign will get you far and it got them so far they got cocky and it shows.
The steam ran out with the sequel the lack of marketing was the first indicator of a game that isn't bringing anything new to the table otherwise the devs would be itching to give us a taste.
debbie downer
agree. everyone went on and on about how good it was, but i don't think it holds a candle to the first 1. story is def a let down in sm2, which was my favorite part of sm1, and honestly sm:mm
Spider-Man PS4 was over hyped. It did nothing new for Spider-Man
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@15:39. I liked that side mission. It was one of my favorites on there.
-the spiderman imposter is actually doing good things and not tarnishing Spiderman's name like past imposters of him have tried to do
-he actually knew how to fight which means this wasn't the typical "guy tries to pretend to be super hero but gets kidnapped" ordeal. He actually knew how to defend himself. He fights the bad guys with you.
-the mission ends on a good note with spiderman praising the guy's fighting skills but tells him. What hes doing is extremely dangerous and to stop doing it as him.
I enjoyed it
I agree, probably the strongest one overall from the first game
@AsadAnjum right 💯 Better then catching the pigeons for the homeless guy. Those things are quick
It all started with the face change. an obvious tactic to either bend over to Sony, or to capitalize off the popularity of Tom hollands portrayal. such a disappointment this series turned out to be
Or, they just remastered it to make it fit with the current state of hardware… like any other remaster.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios"Or," 🤓☝️ Or nothing. The face change was completely unnecessary and unwanted, you Sony sheep.
I feel like the comparison to Tom Holland is a bit too cynical. He barely looks like Tom Holland, if at all (even the hair is different.) Like, it feels like looking for a reason to dislike it past "I think the old one was better."
@@anidiot192 No it's an accurate comparison
@xnortheast1106 oh yeah totally! I mean, they look exactly the same! Well except for the facial structure, nose, eyes, eye color, hairstyle, hair color, general build, and basically anything but skin color, but besides those things they're practically identical!
Seeing a well known sponsor on the channel is exciting! You've come such a long way. Also I'm glad to see a proper critique on SM2 without any weird takes.
This is definitely a hot take, but I actually thought that Phin was pretty sympathetic, terrorism is bad let's establish this, but Phin makes good points about how people like Krieger get away with all the stuff they do because they have all of the power (think, Roxxon somehow got permission to not only have a paramilitary organization but a fucking nuclear reactor in Harlem) and Miles only response is "NO THAT'S BAD, IF ONLY ONE PERSON GOT HURT-" which tells me 'okay, this Miles Morales is a fucking narc'
The problem is her being a terrorist ruined her point. She literally attacked her best friends mom rally
@@theoutsiderjess1869 The Underground specifically targets Roxxon guards and it's only when Spider-Man get's involved that the situation escalates catastrophically
30:59 I’m a black dude from the Bronx, that criticism is correct, miles doesn’t have the vibe kids from his area do
He’s written like a white dude who thinks this is how he’s supposed to act
He needs 4 different baby mama's
@@Five_FingersofDeath you think dudes in the Bronx do that. They might
@@joycongod4831 Yes
SM2 felt like safe, corporate slop. Zero edge or intrigue to the story. The characters are bland and scenes are lifeless. Frustrating how disappointing it was for me
The gameplay is epic tho
@giggitymaster8799 yes it was. Except for wall crawling tho. The wallcrawling is still broken. I, for one, missed using the web bomb in combination with the concussive blast.
I just hate the gay stuff
Meh take. SM2 has way more scenes that I return to over the first two.
The devs got too comfortable for lack of a more extreme word, that one dev straight up said "I don't care if MJ is too OP or you don't like her, I'm gonna find a way to do more even if I need to cut other content"
that first game will always be a classic but that sequel will forever be a disappointment. and that face change ruined the some of the moments
My main issue with Insomniac's Spider Man (both games) is how inaccurate their depiction of NYC is. The depiction comes across like it was helmed by someone who thinks NYC is just downtown Manhattan causing the rest of the city to feel sterile, static, gentrified and the worst thing that can be said about an open world, boring.
Every great depiction of NYC is defined by the people. All the NPCS are overtly nice in a hyperbolic way to the point where I don't think I heard a single swear word or even a slight aggression throughout my entire playthrough, which is a common form of communication among New Yorkers/ the "mind your business, don't stand out, keep it pushing" mentality is a part of the lifestyle when living in the city. The NPCs aren't even dressed in conventional fashion trends i.e. Timbs, a shiesty for the winter, north face puffer jackets, hairstyles like braids, fades, dreads, buzzcuts, waves or even a single durag. I hate how as means of depicting the diversity of NYC, they played it safe and only showed Harlem and axed Washington Heights, Flushing, the entirety of the Bronx and East Brooklyn. Apartment buildings look as homogenized as the skyscrapers. The traffic in this game is only ever interesting when it's a scripted vehicle chase side quest due to how unrealistically good and orderly everyone drives. Look, I get this game is targeted for everyone, so you won't get a Max Payne style Noir York City or a GTA 4 Liberty City, but to think that both Spider Man games came out after Insomniac released Sunset Overdrive makes me question if this is even the same developer. Sunset Overdrive is more Spider Man in ethos than Spider Man/ SM2 is and that's baffling. There's nothing worse than being boring. insomniac Spider Man is boring.
Open world looks fine imo. The issue is there’s no substantial world interactivity. This 2000’s
Sandbox for Spider-Man games need to evolve. It’s 2024
I couldn't have put it better myself
New York City being inaccurate isn’t an issue. It’s just the norm. Besides, it’s a video game, it doesn’t have to be accurate.
GTA IV seems to give a good or close representation of NYC but it's Rockstar they aren't afraid to offend.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios well with the people I'd say it should be accurate to an extent.
As a debate kid in high school, hearing the words "utilitarianism", "framework" and "impromptu" in this video are giving me PTSD
6:30 I personally like the "filler villains" included in the narrative. It makes the game and world feel more alive. Like yeah he has these bigger situations to handle but that doesn't stop what his other rogues gallery is doing. Especially with Insomniac pretty vocal how this Spidey been doing this for years, so him going on a side quest to take down shocker or taskmaster real quick is very fitting if you ask me. The other villains you see and fight I feel don't demand too much characterization, as again, this game is pretty much expect you to be a fan of the franchise. Idk, Ik that sounds odd but trying to characterized soo many pre established characters would drag the narrative. It's a bit lazy, sure, kind of know who Electro is and what's he's going to say, you catch my drift? Like us fighting the sinister six is really suppose to showcase how battle hardened or experience this Spidey is, and they're no more than just cameos the way I looked at it.
TLDR: they're there to pad the game and offer fanservice, but I personally think it's done well given the setup, like, if you take out those fights it's just Doc and Martin, while very good villains but you lose out on a lot of what this game is trying to tell you about this Spidey.
Haven't got to watch the entire vid but I'll leave this here until I watch the rest.
These games need to stop trying to be the 4th Live-Action Spider-Man Movie and start embracing comic-book wackiness.
Give Peter his silly web attacks from Shattered Dimensions, let him and Miles rant about the Avengers, X-Men and F4 doing jack shit about a potential Symbiote Chernobyl that could end Mankind, make my boy Ben Reilly a cool plot revelant superhero who stays that way and never regresses as a character. And make the visuals look like Sunset Overdrive.
I Double Dare you, Insomniac.
I wish we had the web-based gadgets of the first game. I one time did a playthrough of the first game where i could only best thugs by webbing them to the wall/floor, and i had an absolute blast doing it.
Bro 600 views!?!?!? And near 18k subs!?!? Thought you were crazy famous already. Phenomenal work and production, you'll grow exponentially soon man, without a doubt. Keep it up!
I like spiderman 2 alot it made some great improvement my problems with it is that it feels rushed and it is too short other than that its a solid spiderman but more could have been done especially when it comes to symbiote spiderman
I think adding a glide that is better than swinging in every way is kinda sacrilege for a Spider-man game
I’m black and I was a teenager that criticism is exactly right I don’t like Miles now but I used to looking back this kid has no soul, no base in his voice, no real personality he’s basically Peter Parker but black. If they had a black writer working on him he would be the exact opposite of Peter Parker. Miles would be cool and smooth and confident while Peter would be that older and slightly dorky guy
I recommend checking out the recent Miles Morales comic run by Cody Ziglar. It might be what you're looking for.
I recommend to stop supporting a character that was a copy and paste of an og
On the contrary, i loved the danikast in miles morales. She has a load of personality in that game.
Fr, the danikast now just feels like an exposition dump
After the announcement of the dlc (which I basically was waitin for them announce) not happenin a while back i genuinely deleted the game and i really fw insomniac take on my goat but i do not like the direction they took when it came to this game
I could be wrong, but I think 3 of those DLC's got cancelled because of that hacker. Idk, I could be wrong. Also I'll admit, Insomniac should've said something.
the first game had the best story by far
The goat is back
Im so worried for insomniacs wolverine
Me to bro 😣😥😕
I feel like it's gonna end up as lost media at some point
@@thecursingtax5729I mean the game was already hacked.
@@thecursingtax5729 its going to come out.
If they don't they'll have have to pay Marvel a large sum of money as per the agreement I saw. and the game is well into development they can't back out now. But it will launch on pc day and date.
Don't expect the writing to get back on track as long as they have Sweet Baby on their team
You said Miles didn’t fail with Phin, she just didn’t listen, but it’s more complicated than that.
Miles lied to and manipulated Phin to find out about and stop her plan. He used her friendship to keep his vow as Spider-man and protect the city. Was he wrong to do so? Maybe not, but if he was upfront and honest from the beginning Phin would’ve listened to him, at least about Krieger changing the specs on the reactor. She only refuses to listen because he lied to her face before to stop her.
I believe Mile’s character in SMMM, or at least part of it, is learning to value his loved one just as much as his Spider-Man life. I believe he’s so focused on living up to Peter’s legacy he neglects his other half of his life, he essentially admits this to Phin and the cafe, and I think dialogue like “You’re gonna kill your self to prove you deserve that mask?” from Aaron and Rio telling Peter that all Miles talks about is his Spider-Man life in SM2 hint at this.
A fair point. I might have been a little too flippant about the "0 setup to miles' current problems/growth" thing. But i guess what setup is there just feels very lackluster overall? I kinda of have to go digging for it. And not in a "they're being subtle with their storytelling" kinda way but a "let's skip all the middle steps" kinda way.
I think the fact that for the most part miles' life goes smooth as butter compared to Peter's (him and Hailee are only brought closer by him being Spiderman, his best friend is an active and interested participant in his second identity, his mom finds out early and is relatively relaxed about it, he has a mentor that's pretty attentive outside his short symbiote stint, he's going to a great school that honors him with presents and declares him the official superhero of the school, he seems to be on a clear path of success academically with his 1 "setback" being pretty positive overall, etc) it doesnt make me feel like he's sacrificing his non-spiderman side to live up to peter. It feels like a classic case of tell not show. So I definitely don't disagree with what you brought up, but I guess functionally it doesnt change much for me cause of those missing elements
@ Nah I agree with you, I’m not even completely my interpretation of SMMM’s moral was intended by the writers, I strongly assume it is because of some dialogue lines, like Jeff’s final speech at the end of the postcards side mission.
I still don’t know why it’s not called Spider Men. There’s two of them. I have no idea how citizens differentiate between them in the lore (Miles is definitely Black Spider Man you know it’s true) but they def weren’t part of the marketing decision. What if your in a unique situation and you need Miles electric powers, then Peter shows up and you’re like wtf.
And If they’re a team, they need a team name. The webslingers. The arachnids. The bouncey boys….
Im confused on roxon, it was a huge company and even with th events of miles moralis, the company is still strong and hinted to be more of a threat, buffing rhino, but for some reason, roxon is just not even there, or mentioned in spiderman 2 at all...i think in spiderman 3 there should be a power struggle plot with roxon and oscorp
Batman Arkham city curb stomps all these spider man games and I like Spiderman 2018 but man fuck all these Mary Jane missions. Great video.
I actually like the MJ missions because of the story. Including the exploration in Norman's safe house, but yeah Insomniac should've had her mission not be all stealth. Same goes to Miles.
People talk about the sequel like its the worst thing they've ever played, no it was a solid 8.5-9/10 game that just didn't completely perfect and fix the systems it implemented in the first game. Not everything needs to be a god of war ragnarok, I understand the issues but people should seriously stop hating on this game so much
I love the game too, but the 3rd act was kinda shit. Other than that and maybe there not being enough side stuff to do, it is a solid 8.9 to me.
@BreadSlice404 I agree
For me the game is a 6.5/10. the worst Part is replayability. I started new Game plus and made it Till Harrys lab when You have to greet all the people for the First time and Play as a bee Hunter and omg it is such a clusterfuck
37:43 I think the side missions with the Flame should’ve been integrated into the main story.
Harry should’ve been radicalized by the Flame, thus leading to the twist left out of the marketing where we get a Spider-Men vs Symbiotes Finale.
Agree. I think because of the hacker, that the Carnage & other DLC's got cancelled. At least that's what I've heard.
@ that sucks
The EMF missions are so awful I genuinely dont know how those missions made it through into the final game
“They forgot to give me a tag” - hilarious. No notes.
They messed up with Miles morales because in spiderman 2 Miles has nothing to do in the story hell the side quest in miles morales is where they peaked.
The whole "it makes me a better Spider-Man" narratives fits Miles more than Peter. Miles was the one so blinded by the events of the first game that he literally almost let people drown on the boat with the convoy. His efficiency as Spider Man diminishes every time he saw Li. Peter, on the other hand, does not have this issue within this game. It almost feels like they nerfed him specifically so that conflict can try to fit Peter's character, but considering how he soloed the Sinister Six in the first game, with 14 broken bones mind you, its hard to believe he would feel that about himself
My biggest issue with the games is the writing. Everything feels so Barney. So educational. It feels like those student news skits in the MCU spiderman trilogy. Like it's all safe for work but lacks the edge/depth needed to make these characters feel real. Like sure Miles is portrayed as struggling with his Dad's death and forgiving Martin Li but it's always treated like "ugh idk what to do about my anger with Martin, anyways what's up with you guys" like...
I genuinely liked the villain hideouts. I wish we could replay the Kraven ones without having to go to a menu, just like in the first game.
The editing is fantastic.
I would mess with insomniac a bit more that as an apology for the lack luster support of Spider-Man if they added the traversal of Spider-Man 2 to the first two games. Just adding extra tricks, and up the speed.
This video is absolutely fantastic
All I’m going to say about this is that if you want a franchise to be successful, then you have to give the fans and audiences what they want to see when they experience it, because I feel like too many times big corporations like Sony just do whatever they want and hope people just hop on the bandwagon.
The problem with spiderman 2 is too many boring things they should’ve removed, museum get rid of it the school missions get rid of it
50:04 I disagree with this statement about Peter, because the reason he's been off his game has been slowly been hinted at, and finally revealed when Miles and Mr. Negative enter Peter's mind. It's his grief, and the stress he never fully processed that is making him want to 'be better'. But Peter also sees he's messing up in the beginning of the game, and ended up stabbed by Kraven, but notices he's doing better with the suit. So he associates the suit with it making him a better Spider-Man. He still hasn't addressed the real reason for why he's the way he is now, until Miles and Martin Li confront him, and pull him out. It's also what makes him realise he might need a temporary break from being Spider-Man for his mental health, and personal life.
And as for Miles later on, these things Martin Li is showing isn't true, but they are Miles' insecurities. He WORRIES about whether if he is maybe abandoning his friends and family by being Spider-Man too often. This is a question inside his head, and Martin Li just goes "YEAH YOU ARE! HOW COULD YOU ABANDON US?!" The hurting part refers more so to Phin perhaps, and him still being hurt by it (you can actually go to Trinity Church and see the little trophy from the last game, and Miles will interact and show he still grieves her), so now this becomes a What If in his head, which Martin then feeds into.
We don't actually see anything in the game to suggest Miles does abandon his loved ones or that he only hurts people, but that's the point. It's all in his head, and Martin Li feeds on it to give affirmation to his fears and worries, to break Miles mentally. You even hear Miles reject these things eventually, because he doesn't truly believe in them.
In my opinion, I appreciate all the stuff Insomniac brings to the table except for the restricted swinging. I hated it whenever people would say Spider-Man PS4’s swinging surpassed Spider-Man 2, when Spider-Man PS4 had some of most restrictive swinging we’ve ever had.
Why is it so hard to just make a swinging system with no boundaries like in the original Spider-Man 2? Wouldn’t it take more work and effort to make systems that restrict the player rather than give them web swinging freedom?
Seriously, it’s like developers of Spider-Man games are actively trying to avoid freeform swinging for whatever reason. None of the games after the original Spider-Man 2 had that same system.
Spider-Man 3, Ultimate, Web Of Shadows, and The Amazing Games. All of these had restrictions in some way. What is so wrong with going back to Spider-Man 2?
Honestly playing through the old spider-man 2 game again I realized how clunky it felt now. Idk if you've played it recently but imo the lack of restrictions leads to an absolute headache when swinging especially with that games (impressive, but often annoying) physics system. If you haven't played that game recently I'd suggest going back, I wonder if you'll maybe have a different opinion
@ Thats why a modern take would be amazing. Give the player the freedom to swing however, but don’t just let the game go wild and ruin the fun. We have the technology to make something incredible now.
@C-View1 not sure if this counts but you can turn web assist down to 0 in sm2. It definitely makes it trickier but not 100% as random and frustrating as original sm2
@ Yeah, I know about that one. The original is really janky, but I think it shined if a player could really get their skills up, but it did include an easy mode for people who didn’t get the hang of it. I don’t really know how you can make an unrestricted system without the hiccups that original Spider-Man 2 did.
@@C-View1 swinging is fine lol.
Have miles stop " baby taking " dont be afraid to tell an adult story. Let the heroes be flawed, stop with gadets and incorporate different ways to use the web instead.
Insomniac got a little too comfortable with the writing and a couple other things but I’m still a fan and hope whatever they do next bounces back.
Kraven and Doc ock are the two best villains they made r.i.p to tony todd i felt like they should have waited to do Venom. I have seen so many people screw Venom and peter up that Im sick of seeing Venom as a character.
3:48 edging tf out of me with the soundtrack here
15:20 shotout to this mission for also having a GTA 4 easter egg. Another game set in New York.
One problem with venom is well why does he call himself venom other spiderman media gives some reason why, also would have loved to have harey be a hero for awhile longer instead of only having a brief moment to see him doing crimes. Also how i saw the story is doc conores mentioning what the stmboite is and peter then just turns evil like all his dialogue changes no real build up
Finally someone mentioned how bad the voice acting was in the old man side mission! Loved the narrative but oh my god his voice bothered the hell out of me
4:03 I’m in New York lol 😂😂
I wouldn’t say the second game has better side missions but I do agree that some of them have better writing. My favorites are the ones with old people like Howard, the blind woman, and the grandpa. But every other mission chain I can recall has some weird low point that makes me question why it’s in the game. The flame and the musician side missions start with some boring spider bot sections. I was kind of disappointed when you do the flame with the black suit and there are no different interactions at all. I’m not asking for a complete rewrite but just something that’s different. I liked the deaf mission until they introduced shake the controller graffiti mini games that are there to waste my time. The college is full of horrible side missions apart from the first where you save a teacher. The puzzle one sucks and the gay one is one that just rubs me the wrong way as there’s nothing fun about it and you know it’s only there so that they can normalize being gay to kids. I don’t care about having gays or flags in the game but when you see this mission with nothing fun about it then you know it’s just there for that reason and it hits different. I have ADHD and I will hate any of these that have some slow section like listening to him or doing graffiti especially when it doesn’t matter to anything and actual interesting sections from the game are given skip buttons in the pause menu while these aren’t. When you talk to the grandfather and he tells you how he proposed to his wife you can tell that the SM you’re playing as is taking notes for when they ask a girl out or propose to MJ but you know Miles isn’t doing the same thing with the gay kid which makes it uninteresting. The vulture drone missions are only interesting story wise in the end and remove all of the interesting parts from “gliding” and replace it with simple Superman 64 like fly through the ring missions that made them feel the need to add skip buttons. Even outside of side missions they added a bunch of unnecessary sections that make me wonder why they didn’t skip those and focus more on the main SM gameplay. They added a new version of the mini games for Peter doing his job from wiring to another type of puzzle which I’m fine with but then they also add bee drone sections. They added a bunch of carnival games and a lot of other stuff in this game that is completely unrelated to SM like bikes and basketball. They decided to take several brakes from making a SM game WHILE ON THE JOB! A lot of the stuff I don’t like feels like it was made with an agenda like the gay and deaf side missions one of which I’m not completely against but that makes it feel like they and a lot of the sections I don’t like from this game were prioritized over other things. If they were rushed and had to cut another part of this game it feels like it would be something like the playable Venom section rather than some of these time wasting mini games. The only reason I dislike the mysteriums is because I had hoped that the Venom section could be extended through challenge missions like the ones in Arkham where they let you play as every playable character but these showed me that their alternative was exclusive to Miles which also kept me from seeing more of the black suit which has some unique animations I loved that you won’t even see again even after getting anti venom or new game +. The main SM gameplay feels half baked as there are barely any major improvements I can recall. I mostly remember the gliding, countering, and a few unique upgrades from the skill tree like pulling enemies around with webs, hitting enemies upwards while in midair, and one unique combo when you get an enemy against a wall. The gadgets all suck imo and the special abilities were better in Miles’ game where they all feel useful and you use your meter when you think one of them will be useful. Now the first one you get is just a useless combo with the arms and you just use your abilities when their individual meters are full. If this game had the same meter as Miles I’d never find myself using most of the abilities you get in this game. There’s just a lot of things that I do love in this game that are sidelined for some of the most mediocre garbage I’ve seen in a while.
8:23 and 9:27 and 48:20 - I don't understand your praise for Insomniac's versions of Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker... Insomniac's Mary Jane Watson only has one personality trait and it's that she's a hot shot reporter that always gets the scoop, basically making her a Lois Lane rip-off and changing the core of her personality and how she interacts with the world and fundamentally changing how she interacts with Peter, and her character arc in the first "Marvel's Spider-Man" video game wasn’t very well thought out because Bryan Intihar and Jon Paquette made it seem like she had a death wish lol... It makes sense to want to be trusted and viewed as an equal in a relationship, but having Mary Jane think she can just do the things Spider-Man does is different. Also, Insomniac's Peter Parker is just so flawless, fluffy, and boring and if he has any flaws it boils down to "You are too kind ...\ Push yourself too hard". He has the same exact problem all the other characters in the "Marvel's Spider-Man" video games have which is they are *all* overly polite and kind of weirdly sterile in how they interact with each other and this is a problem because it makes them all uninteresting to watch and they never have anything interesting to say because you know they are always gonna say the nice and supportive thing and it just makes them boring and it also has the issue of them all kind of sounding the same. Insomniac's Peter Parker is too nice and he doesn't have any negative attributes for the symbiote to exaggerate which is why the symbiote has to just brainwash him and turn him essentially into a completely different person in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2" .
54:39 - How do you really don't know why people hate Kraven and *especially* Venom in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2"??? A Kraven with henchmen isn't Kraven... Kraven is such a one note antagonist and is just a walking scowl and a music cue in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2". Also, they literally stripped Venom of all his unique personality in favor of making him a generic alien monster who's hellbent on world domination... Insomniac's depiction of Venom was barely even recognizable as Venom outside of his powers, design, and voice... Venom in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2" is a combination of two pre-existing characters, the first is Harry Osborn who is just a really bland nice guy and is written like a five-year-old's idea of what a best friend should be and he's just a dude who's really nice and that's it..., and then there's the symbiote, the second half of Venom, who's just a very boring one-dimensional evil brainwashing parasite in "Marvel's Spider-Man 2"...
They missed the point of Venom.
25:58 bro I’ve never seen that takedown animation that was kinda badass
The fridge scene gets brought up cause it makes no sense How MJ is able to react to it and jump in front of him despite him having a sixth sense. If anything makes MJ look stupid and just adds to the pile of the character assassination Peter suffers thoughout the game. The deaf girl mission gets so much hate cause why am I playing as a deaf girl in a game called Spider-Man.
About the MJ thing, if someone you cared about and loved was about to get hit by an alien, wouldn’t you want to protect them? And also it’s more like an instinctive reaction by her and there really is no time to think “oh he has a sense that could see incoming attacks he should be fine.” It’s more like I see someone I love about to get hit, I should protect them, just human nature 🤷♂️
Despite being voiced by the same person i think Peter Insomniac and Ben Tennyson AF s1+2 and Ben onward are written completely differently. peter is obviously the most mature but frequently quips and agitates people with his annoying dialogue. Ben S1-2 is like peter without the quips he is calm and kind willing to help and will sometimes crack jokes but is mostly mature with how he approaches things. Miles should be written like Ben S3 onward where he makes dumb decisions because he is young and has more powers than peter leading him to think he doesnt have to be careful. he see's conflicts in a more black and white way like Ben does and maybe he is more reckless in saving people often focusing on the fight and not the collateral of people being hurt like peter would. not only that but more conflicts could arise from him not tying up loose ends or toying with the villains. maybe He see the villians as horrible people and him the hero who could do not wrong and he completely misjudges a situation like in spectacular spiderman with Electro. maybe he is just meaner than peter remember he is a teen. He was a fanboy who was inspired by Spider-Man to help others but he was incredibly reckless in the first game getting himself into dangerous situations that he could barely get himself out of. maybe in future games like a Spider-Man Miles Morales 2 it addresses that as his character because rn he just feels like a black peter parker. in SM2 i didnt really care to switch between them for the side missions because their dialogue is mostly the same
I heard that the way the game came out wasn’t cause insomniac it was cause Sony I think someone said and they rushed the game cause it was getting closer and closer to there wanted release date so they had to cut a lot of stuff insomniac wanted to keep in
13:31 might be jumping the gun here, but do they not have the rights to include MCU characters in these games?
I feel like there’s a whole plethora of extras and side characters from the movies, tv shows, and comics who could fill out NYC-PS4/5 that aren’t in it for some reason…
It feels like the games got more sterile and bland in their writing. Spiderman 2 felt really corporate in a way.
The reason you felt less invested with the second game is because it’s story had no soul that’s what happens when you get a half baked story it seems great on the outside but it lacks the layers and depth the first game had. Plus it goes out of its way to emasculate, sideline, and even put down Peter Parker who’s supposed to be the main character. Miles shouldn’t have been in this game because he simply just doesn’t fit in this story and the symbiotic invasion was ridiculous because they that type of story would involve other superheroes so it didn’t fit for this game this should’ve been a grounded spider man story with Peter Parker, Harry, the symbiote, Normal being an evil bastard, Kraven hunting spider man not his villains, could’ve had Kraven break out Mysterio and Sandman to test Spider-Man, and you could’ve had Norman turn Conner’s into the lizard to cover up his dirty dealings
The hyperbolic discourse over Insomniac's Spider-Man is really bizzarre. Everyone acts like Spider-Man 1 is this immaculate, perfect product while Miles and Spider-Man 2 especially are treated like trash. "Fans" have come to dismiss every single flaw in 1 and every improvements in the sequels. No, Spider-Man 1 didn't have a perfect story, Act 1 and 2 have some really bad pacing where it feels like you accidentally play story missions while doing all that weak open world activities. The MJ and Miles missions are too archaic and restricted, boss battles are barely boss battles, gadgets while cool make combat way too easy. Yes they absolutely nail Act 3 and landing, but that doesn't make the game immune to criticism. Miles and 2 are just better games wjen you actually 'play' them, even if you think the stories aren't as good as 1.
I finally got a ps5 and have been playing spider man 2 all week, I really don’t understand the hate…granted I haven’t beat the game yet but it’s a good game man, like wtf is the complaints about lol
although there are definitely valid criticisms of the game, like the rushed symbiote plot, a ton of the criticism comes from the "anti woke" crowd who throw a fit whenever a gay person is even mentioned, and just hate the whole game because of it
The video an critique are amazing, but I think having the game soundtrack on repeat on the background for so long makes it very annoying, no hate :)
Just played through Miles Morales since it was on sale and man, I was bored. Characters are so generic and Miles is way too strong way too quickly. Not to mention its short as heck and I barely had to do any side activities to reach the end.
There are so many people that dont see this
8:35 No I'm going to stop you right there. For some reason people are tying to act oblivious to why we don't care about MJ in this game or any other game. She's meant to be an NPC. The civilian that spiderman would do anything to protect. Beautiful, not overly smart, normal. An everyday person who isn't going out trying to be a vigilante and somehow being great at it with seasoned villains and their merc henchmen falling to her. Stop the BS bo one asked for that. MJ isn't special, but she's everything to Peter Parker. For some dumb reason we're trying going to give her props for *PUTTING HERSELF IN DANGER ... MAKING THE SITUATION MORE HAZARDOUS FOR SPIDERMAN TO WORK?* Naw man just make another character. Shoot they could have introduced the "Spider family" anything but this garbage trope of the every day person being able to be in the trenches with the heros. It snaps the suspension of belief in half because I know just about 1 girl that can jump in and help the main hero at a moments notice without it being cliched. That's Batgirl. Damn give me Felecia and spiderman working together and then add MJ in for the relationship issue angle that makes sense. But seeing that normal mosery through clear situations she's getting zeroed in without plot armour is too crazy. Give her a suit if you're gonna give her that much of a "F U I am MJ hear me roar" role.
I still love the game. It was great iml, but yeah I'll admit. Marvel's Spider-Man 2 wasn't the best, it wasn't perfect like the last two games in the series, & it could've been done a whole lot better. But it's not Insomniac's fault though, they did actually had a lot more planned in the 2nd game. But thanks to Sony, the whole game was rushed.
Turned it off the second he said yammin on lebron James that disrespect will not be tolerated
Ah man the Brooklyn visions missions are so bad and cringe every time I play spiderman 2 I smh like damn
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Before watching, Spider-Man 2 was so disappointing to me in the end. While I enjoyed my first playthrough for the most part. The second made all the issues shine and my rose colored glasses fell off. How did Peter lose gadgets? Ratchet has 3 weapon wheels of guns but Peter somehow loses like 6 gadgets… Seems like they just wanted to put him more in line with Miles for whatever reason. The amount he got saved was irritating as well. MJ should be dead. Her plot armor is absurd (which the director even acknowledged and laughed about) and her playable sections were absolutely ridiculous. Why am I spray painting a wall as a deaf girl in a Spider-Man game?? This game could’ve been perfect but insomniac dropped the ball and are unfortunately listening to the wrong consultants. My Wolverine hype is gone now.
Haha thank you! Good to see ya here.
Not sure if we align with everything here but I see where you're coming from. I'm a little nicer to SM2 than some people for sure, mainly because I think some of the biggest problems I have are temporary and don't really permeate through the whole experience, but I understand that with enough of those small issues it can get frustrating
The story of sm2 was a big let down the rest was good though
Fucked up venom and made Peter weaker in his sequel then his first game…. Game is a 7.5 😢
So, spider-man getting hit is considered being nerfed…….ok
@@majodyalayawi8802 he got hit lote of times in first game, the problem here is him not getting up, he went from beating sinistro six with a bunch of broken bones to not being able to lift a fridge after having a lower reaction time than a normal human
@@marveltv2714 are we just going to ignore the fact that something similar happened to him also in the first game.
If you didn’t know, Peter got pinned over by the server boxes and it still took him a long time to get them off of his back. I personally blame this on bad choreography rather than him being nerfed.
Peter is weaker on purpose you guys just clearly don’t know how to read deeper into the narrative. Peter is off of his game after aunt May’s death so he relies on the mechanical arms to be on par with miles. When he gets the symbiote he’s so attached because it makes him feel like he’s not inferior to what he thinks he’s supposed to be. He literally says multiple times that the suit “makes him a better spider-man” and that’s why he believes he must keep it.
@@oliverthedum2129 THANK YOU!!
Also not to mention the villains in this game are WAAAYY stronger than in the first.
The only thing i liked was the web wings in Spider-Man 2. That's about it.
And what do you hate about spider man 2 please tell me Everything
@@MatheusFilipe-m6q one thing i didn't like was that they took away all the gadgets that were in the 1st game for example.
@@colemanscorner5955and what do you think of Miles new shit the one he use in the end in marvel's spider man 2
@@MatheusFilipe-m6q if you mean the suit, it was shit. Trash costume.
@@colemanscorner5955 yes he last suit was juat sooo much better way did they put that trash shit new suit in the game?
Lol Spider-Man 2 gameplay was almost the same as the first
The worse Spider-man Symbiote story
If Insomniac dropped DLC, we wouldn't have these problems
Tbh I could be wrong, but I think it was because of that hacker the DLC got cancelled. I'm not making excuses btw, Insomniac still should've said something instead of having fans wait & get excited for nothing.
31:20 isnt miles Puerto Rican
His mom is. He is still racially black though.
He is half actually.
Miles toothpaste outfit🤡
This may sound dumb but i hated Pete retiring because as you said we just got introduced to him but idk why i had never thought of the fact he's been Spider-Man for roughly a decade of course he wants some time off. So i just wanted to say thank you for making that scene make a little more sense to me
he isn't retiring he's taking a mental health brake to focus on getting his peter parker life together (the only problem i have with the final cutscene is that god awful suit they have my man miles in)
He didn’t retire at the end of the game. He just took a break.
You think the Hailey Mission has a really good "sound design"? LMAO the sound is almost turned off, wtf are you talking about?
I really wanted to love this game but it just lacked in everything that it was a forgettable game.
If they would have added a suit customization that everyone wants and added 2hr of story it would not feel rushed in spider man 2
Peters failure I get it built off of aunt mays death now miles I agree with and mJs to I agree with and Harry’s
I think your definition of "a little disappointing" and my definition of "straight garbage" are the same.
13:51 go play genshin impact
They didn’t ruin anything. They made a perfectly fine sequel that a vast majority of people enjoyed.
I never played Spider Man PS4 and Miles Morales till I got to play Spider Man 2 PS5, honestly Spider Man 2 is a bit overhated and everyone are overreacting. Sure it has some flaws but it still is a great game, their version of Venom is one of my interpretations of the Lethal Protector.
holy based
There was nothing ruined
The last game was trash
@ not even close but to each their own
Except literally everything because dogshit man 2 was exactly that - dogshit