Eastenders - Martin tells Pauline that Mark is Grant's son (2006)
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December 22, 2006.
He does not, however, tell her why Mark has a British accent in spite of living in America all of his life. Or why Mark dresses like he is from an episode of Delta and the Bannermen.
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Martin. "You're related to Peggy!"
Pauline. "Course' I am. Everyone in the square is related to 'er in some way."
It's a shame that they ruined Pauline's character they did.
@How Marvellous Am I Pauline was always a battle axe but they really turned her into a nasty piece of work she kept trying to control her children especially Martin she constantly tried keeping him tied to her apron strings and even resorted to lying to him over being terminally ill and even putting it in her will that Martin could keep the house so long as he didn't get back with Sonia. Yeah Sonia cheated but Pauline failed to see one thing and that is despite your own feelings on any matter if your kids are adults its their life their choice either get behind them or you're gonna end up alone and bitter and thats exactly what happened
They tried to make her like Lou but it didn’t work
@@kaydenlewis2185 That's because Lou is from a different era.
Youre so wrong.@@wickedwitchoftheeast88
They were both excellent in that scene.
People say how they turned Pauline's character 'miserable' but of course she would be, Husband died, her son Mark died, Pete died, Daughterl had left, Martin was the only thing she had left and she was losing him, so it's understandable her being miserable, not like she's had a happy life.
Rory Attwood True. Also Arthur cheated on her once. Then he was framed and sent to prison. Her daughter getting pregnant at 16 by a much older man. Lord, that woman's been through alot! Her kids gave her constant worries.
She wasn't the only one to suffer though on the show, and the rest didn't choose to use that as some license to take it out on everyone around them, especially the ones who loved her the most. It was constant walking on eggshells, living up to her impossible standards. She wasn't an evil person, but her bitterness was so strong it was hard to notice the difference. They really should've given her a strong storyline about her attitude and why she always felt that way, even when good things happened to her and her family, because to someone like myself who started watching around the time she was said to have become so mean, it looked like she was a terrible person all around, all the time. I know a male version of her and I wonder when he dies, will he be missed? Will the good characteristics even be remembered?
Pauline was so bubbly at the beginning, and at the end, she turned into a character that everyone hates. They say she was meant to become like Lou, but she was much worse than Lou. Lou was actually like by everyone, but Pauline wasn't.
She wasn't really much different, she acted like this to Michelle when she said she wanted to go to America only then she had Arthur to make her realise how unreasonable she was being!
Shame Pauline wasn't alive when Martin married Stacey. I think she'd' have liked her more than Sonia.
I think she would have liked Stacey's fire but they would have fought like cats and dogs. But she would have preferred her to Sonia.
Judging by some of Stacey's early scenes in the soap, I don't think Pauline really liked the Slaters very much..
@@cjdavis83 she didn't like anybody by the time the slaters arrived
I forgot all about this scene. Those were some harsh words from Pauline. She grew very bitter in the end.
way to bitter, couldnt stand her by the end
It's understandable with all that happened to her family.
I am glad I'd stopped watching by this point though, and that how I remember Pauline is from how she was in the nineties.
The new Martin's good, he can act and all but sometimes I miss this Martin.
Agreed! James Bye is a great actor, but James Alexandrou will always be Martin Fowler to me. He was brilliant, especially in this scene.
James bye plays the hot headed and tough guy scenes better
@@kwesiidun8512 I prefer the old martin 👍
What Pauline did was wrong, but i wish they would've let her "win" so to speak. Like instead of killing her off, just let her go live with Michelle, and be somewhat happy again. She was wrong for the way she did Sonia, but for the most part, was right about her, and Martin ignored his mom and kept running right back to her. Sucks they killed her off with such harsh things being said. This episode just aired tonight, so idk if they'll reconcile, but they probably won't. They should've just let her live with Michelle, at least then they could've put in a future episode that she wrote to Martin and apologized or something.
byoung4eva1 well this aired back in 2006 and Pauline's actress died a couple of years later it's a shame really that they killed her off the way they did
I agree. Pauline was way too coarse and rude to everyone, Sonia especially, even when she didn't deserve it. I hated the way she would insinuate herself into her grown son's life like his daughter, going too far when she had no business doing so. Somehow by miracle she even found love again, with her sour grapes piss poor poopypants attitude, with a really good man, and what does she do? Treat him like a common criminal as soon as she finds out one bad thing about him, and uses that to punish him 25/8 (that's right she found an extra hour and a day to give him a hard time because she was a grade A biyyooootttccch), and still he more than made up for his faults and she even gave him a hard time before she knew anything bad, and then they got married but she still didn't soften up! She was so high and mighty that even her friends BARELY ever measured up, but she was blessed with many friends and family despite all this.
I'm no doctor, but I'm going to say in my diagnosis, she was so damn mean she died. Her body couldn't handle all that negativity and hatred she was putting out and just gave up on her, and I swear the second she died everyone who knew her took their first comfortable breath of fresh air in years, consciously or subconsciously because she was just too damn hard to handle. I felt terrible for Martin, don't know if he was more sad or relieved or both when this happened. He was a good man and I'm sure he missed her anyway.
I didn't actually care that Pauline died she was by far the most miserable person on the square and a control freak
I think this does show how some women were. They put everything into their family and kids but kids grow up. This was what it was like years ago and people like Pauline did and still do exist.
Pauline made me less bitter just by watching her daily shenanigans. I was always told that people don't remember you even half as much as they remember the way that you made them FEEL. If this was true for Paula, then she will have a lot to answer for on Judgment Day. She went to church but she acted like she barely ever cracked open the good book and if she did she either missed or ripped out the pages or took a complete crap on the golden rules when she got to them. Maybe she was supposed to represent people not always coming to terms with everything and becoming good before they die, but she seriously needed a visit from the three ghosts of Christmas because she was seriously all Scrooged up. Even downright scoundrels on the show had a softer side than she did, like Johnny freakin' Allen! Even he calmed down sometimes for the sake of it, and because he loved his daughter, and he owned who and what he was, most of the time, which is better than hoity toity hypocrites like Pauline was.
The actress was amazing though and she will be missed, and I'm sure that she was a lot nicer than her character. She was a matriarch who ruled with an iron fist, but the problem was that her family didn't need or deserve that fist, but an open hand of kindness, and open arms of compassion were replaced by cold hearted, judgmental and mostly negative energy. She added to her family's problems more often than she lessened them, and many times she was the main problem in her family being so stubborn and hard to handle, acting like she was the only one to experience hardship in town. I'm surprised that she even died of natural causes, because she was a step away from being the victim of yet another murder mystery, and she wouldn've had a fair number of suspects. She had a big heart that grew dim and the writing was mostly at fault, even though the show was incredibly written with strong characters, but her personality was strong in the wrong way, sucking away all positivity from everyone around her. Even her granddaughter was frightened begged her to stop being mean which should've been her wake up call because most children are incredibly honest. She's memorable though, and no one can take that away.
Funny how both Martin and Sonia threw Michelle up to Pauline. Like they didn't do exactly the same.
I think Pauline Would have hit the roof When Martin Stacey
That's what makes EE's shit every is related to everyone on the sqaure.
lofty and jeff were good men
Took awhile for my mind to rewind and rember thay michelle slept with grant 😂
Pauline was horrible bitter and twisted in her last few month's. The writers had very little respect turning her character into this!
Chelle’s taste in men were varied…Den and Grant…fair enough. Lofty and GEOFF the dull uni lecturer.
Lofty wouldn’t have hurt, betrayed or deceived Michelle… he loved her. I felt sorry for old Lofty… shame that most woman are turned on by dishonest bastards who will break hearts and still expect forgiveness… Michelle was a right ole slapper.
@@fretboardmaster70 I didn’t mean to denigrate Lofty. But she clearly didn’t want him and used him.
This is 3 years before Wendy Richards died and I'm shocked at how she looks but she worked until she no longer could a great actress and loyal to the job.
Pauline became a really bitter woman at the end
Why did EE ruin Pauline? She was fab back in the day
YOU LOOK LIKE HER.
Mark is Grant's son? What?
He meant Mark Jr.
I find it interesting that Michelle slept with Den & Grant. Sharon's father & ex/husband. Jealous much, Michel?
I was so glad when she was out of the show, she was a terrible character. The way she controlled and dominated Martin and then called him a bad son for wanting his own life was awful. The whinging witch of Walford.
1:56-2:04 I feel like saying these exact words to my mother
Pauline can't act 😂
Yes she can. Shes fantastic.