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Cruiser rider here. This is unfortunately very true. Most other cruiser riders I've talked to see "cornering" as a "crotch rocket thing". It is not, learning how to properly carve corners is essential to ANY motorcycle rider.
He does have A LOT of great info. I've been binging on the videos because I'm just now getting back into riding after about a 12 year break from it. I spooked myself bad turning around in an intersection on a backroad. I got a bit too cocky, and went wide open throttle before I was straightend up, back tire lost traction on some sand, then it hooked up. I got launched off the bike, and then the bike did a half flip and almost landed on me. I didn't get hurt badly, just a few bruises, scrapes and a crushed ego lol. Take your time, have fun and don't get cocky lol
Dan, I'm 53 as a new rider your videos are informative and enjoyable to watch so thank you, Sir👍 I found the bike for me, I'm also a guitarist. My Mom always told me practice makes perfect...with your lessons will just make me ride S.M.A R.T. The Chords G, C. D are basic Chords...and you have to play them... but there are 12 notes on a guitar... The Motorcycle is not any different. Learn the notes on the Motorcycle... I only have 5... to learn. Again, Thank You I will learn it.
I’m here after I almost went down today. Only my 5th trip on the bike, approached a corner at about 45 (signs posted said to slow to 45) and I did not make it. Ended up going off the road in the small patch of grass on the side of the road right before a big hill drop and road through that for about 15ft. I managed to keep upright and get back on the road without losing control, it was for sure a scary moment. Definitely got a lot more practice to do! Thanks for the videos!
As a person that has high sided. It is not fun at all. It hurts. The first impact is so damn hard. Ugh. I high sided at about 25 or 30 on pavement. My hip was a watermelon for a couple months.
I low sided and my bike flipped high side, Open face helmet and I ate gravel among other injuries. But the helmet did save my head from injuries as it took the initial hit and slide. I still wear an open face as I am claustrophobic in a full face
Videos like these are really informative for me since I just recently got myself a motorcycle and learning how to ride and handle one. I feel that these videos will help make my 1st year riding a little less intimidating at the very least!
Ride like you're in an economy car and keep your eyes open. No wheelies, lane splitting, moving twice as fast as traffic etc. and you'll probably be fine. Watch the cool crash compilations ('cause they're awesome) and then don't do those things!
Great little mini class. I was thinking the same thing with that cruiser cornering. Push! Push harder! The gravel did him in. Keep em coming Dan. See you tomorrow Teach.
Commit your eyes through the turn; commit yourself through the turn. It's tough, though, when you "pop" due to unexpected floorboard dragging or temporary loss of traction.
I can not over emphasize how important it is for new riders to learn how to counter steer from day one. My first couple months of riding was nerve racking until I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and realized what I was doing wrong. Without counter steering I kept trying to "steer" the handlebars into the turn with little to no lean on the bike. This would result in me going into turns at extremely slow speeds to try and navigate the turn with only the handlebars. Practice dipping the bike side to side in a large parking lot using counter steering and it will change everything. Now, years later when I find myself going a little hot into an unfamiliar curve I only have to roll off the throttle a bit, then "push" the bar a little more and have confidence my bike will angle itself through the turn at a comfortable speed and then throttle out of the exit. Right hand turn, relax my left elbow and grip a bit and then push the right side. Great videos Dan. Thanks.
Dan thanks for the great content and continental focus on safety. I hear your voice as I approach intersections. Yesterday I entered an intersection in orange stage and was immediately able to apply progressive braking as a sedan made a right in front of me. She failed to yield even though she was on red. Non-issue as I was prepared and dealt with the hazard very proactively. It also helps that the bike I was on (2018 Goldwing Tour) has phenomenal front brakes + ABS. Thanks again. Love your channel.
You know I used to hate your videos bc I thought you put to much on the rider. Then as I watched more, I saw that was the point. You know the driver was doing dumb things. However we can't control the driver only ourselves. I've loved your videos ever since and I've been a better rider for it. I still speed at times or have some fun (on open highways with little to no traffic around me) but I've learned tons from these videos. Thank you!
Had a laugh about your tattoo comment. It could be 130 degrees outside and my girl is wearing a jacket because of the work she's had done to her left arm.
I think the title should be most RIDERS need advanced cornering training, not just cruiser riders. 95% of sportbike riders in Central Illinois at least have zero training as well and ride twice as irresponsibly.
Yup. It seems that the only skill one needs to purchase a motorcycle is having a few dollars or some credit value. The 'corner' in this video was a actually a very gentle 'sweeper' and could hardly be considered requiring 'advanced cornering training'. The rider in this video was entirely inept and in dire need of basic motorcycle riding skills. Hopefully he's ok and will seek the skills/training that he desperately needs...
I was one of those guys. No training and just bought myself a 600... but what I DIDN'T do is ride above my skill level. Know your limits and learn slowly over time, you don't become Rossi overnight.
@@zacharysmith2983 Exactly....riding within our personal limits is critical. We all start somewhere and humility is key. I started young on dirt bikes and 'crashed' a ton, on dirt/grass/mud/trails, while learning riding skills and then graduated to street bikes and progressed from small-ish bikes to a multitude of large bikes. Been at it some 4 decades now...and we never stop learning. I've done quite a few track days and 'schools' through the years and they're extremely beneficial and humbling...ha!!
Dan love your vids! You ever think about doing a vid about basic first aid you can do if you need to help a rider? Keep up the great work, been riding for a few years and your vids teach me a lot.
Dan, you might want to make a video about vehicles signal lights. I was following a car going downhill. What I thought I saw was the drivers right turn signal, so I planned on going around the left side as he slowed. But what I actually saw was his right brake light, as he was pumping his breaks to slow going down hill. His left brake light did not work and he used no turn signals as he actually turned left. I survived w/o incident but it caused me to go left of center into oncoming traffic
what helped me hugely... and ye mbe it sounds dumb but... doin the figure 8 with different speed and size on a parking lot teaches you how to take away or add throttle if u go to wide or to narrow. saved me already once, i can only recommend it :)
I still find myself going wide occasionally. Especially around corners I don't ride often. Ease off the throttle a bit or apply a tiny bit of rear brake to tighten up my line. But it is scary to be going wide and then see gravel on the side of the road you're now on. Definitely a gut check to your self perceived "skill" level.
Stay off the brake in corners, it will stand the bike up and change your line. In other words it'll put you right in the other lane towards on coming traffic. 💯 Practice this on a closed track or road. Also, 1 rock on the road like a marble size will and can make your front tire washout on a corner. I'll explain in this because you don't sound experienced, this is risky business that can get you dead real quick. Take a class and practice, practice. Stay safe
that first person wasn't dumb. someone backed out right in front of them. the rider was too impatient, they didn't let the problem play out in front of them.
Hey, idiots don’t just occur more than 5 minutes from home, there is no magic safe bubble of 4 minute radius from home! If the ride is that short, walk or cycle and help save the planet. Above all stay safe, your friend in motorcycling, R
@@rogerjohnson8540 yeah except that I live on a small island and you won't drive over 50km/h 5min from home and most people are also on motorbike. I always have full face helmet, gloves and boots. When I go farther then I have full gears and airbag vest. I use more gear than 99% of other rider around me. Most don't have any gear at all except a pair of flip flop and occasionally an helmet. I understand what you are saying and you are right but it's impractical to put full gear all the time when living in the tropic when your only mode of transport is a motorbike.
@@TLK22 hi, thank you for taking the trouble to reply, helmet gloves boots are the three most important pieces of kit, and at 50km they’ll save you from A lot of injuries, shit still happens close to home, but at least on a small island you will probably know who the shittee is!! And saving the planet should be very important to you, you’ll be amongst the first to get wet feet. As DDTF says “you do you” Stay safe and have fun
Dan, love your stuff but in this case I have to wholeheartedly disagree re: "Most Cruiser Riders Need Advanced Cornering Training"? How about BASIC cornering techniques? BASIC. I feel like 99% COULDN'T even pass the (current) m/c endorsement/skills test on their current cruiser rides. Figure 8's? In THEIR fantasies. REAL riding; In THEIR fantasies.
I ride a cruiser (97 Harley Softail Custom) and I think for a lot of people, the problem is for new riders, when they get on a big twin cruiser for the first time, it's significantly heavier than a Sportster or some kind of sport bike or whatever llighter bike they learned on and I think they're afraid to lean because they're probably scared that the bike will just lowside fall. It's a different feel they aren't used to going into a corner, and they also don't slow down as quickly as lighter bikes do. But a cruiser operates under the same physics as a sport bike, don't be afraid, unless you're going 10 mph, you're not going slow enough for it to just fall away from you in a corner, it wants to be upright just as much as any sport bike does. Just don't lean in deep like a sport bike, then you'll hit hard parts and lose traction and crash. I see a lot of crashing from cruisers in a corner though due to either coming in too fast, or not leaning enough (and definitely new big twin cruiser riders are by far the worst about not leaning the bike enough for whatever speed they're doing). I'm almost positive the reason you see it so much is people being afraid of the weight. Well that and there's some guys that never learned how to ride properly to begin with, but that's a whole other thing.
@@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 I'm usually the other way around. I'll shift my weight towards the inside of the turn to avoid having to lean the bike as much. Since the suspension seals with things better while upright, I want my bike as upright as possible in case I approach something unexpected. I can always add more lean angle. You can't lean it more if you're already scrapping pegs.
I actually ride "dirt bike style" where I stay perpendicular to the road and lean the bike under me, there's nothing wrong with riding like that. However, I know if I need more turn, all I have to do is lean my body forward and/or over into the turn to get more turn without needing to add further input (like more counter steering or something), and I actually practice said skill. Though really, it depends, sometimes I do lean with the bike from the outset, other times I make adjustments by counter steering again, or pushing down harder, clutch work, just letting off the throttle, trail braking... all depends on the circumstances. But by default, I ride "dirt bike style" where I stay up and lean the bike beneath me. It's actually easier to ride like that for me because I have a wide touring seat, which is leather and leather likes to stick to leather, and I have forward controls, so... yeah, trying to hang off the seat is a huge pita... but I can do it if need be. I'd say I am a moderately aggressive rider. I'm not out screaming through corners like I'm canyon carving, but I am not riding like a "gandpa" either. I never go in a turn so fast as to rub out the "chicken stripes" from the tires, I think that's stupid as it gives you one less adjustment tool if you need it (grabbing more lean angle). I never go beyond 80% of what I am capable of doing.
The guy on the cruiser turned into the corner too early. That’s what caused him to veer wide. The low pegs on a cruiser probably lifted the weight of the rear tyre, hence the initial wobble. I always trailbrake on the rear brakes once I’m past the turn in point. Just to be sure I’ve set the bike up for a corner.
Depends on the cruiser. Intruder 1400 is very good at cornering and leaning. Nothing scrapes when you lean a lot. Also the Harley FXDX is very good at cornering = nothing scrapes. But the Wide Glide ...off.... horrible in corners
Well, just really started riding about a week ago... on a Shadow, albeit a 600 not a 750 like the one in the video Yesterday was my first highway experience - and I could feel firsthand that at certain speeds the bike starts to feel heavy (like "fat ass" feel) when taking turns... since I'm not yet confident enough on how much I should lean it (yes I counter steer) at those speeds, for safety measure I just roll off the throttle a bit and adjust my speed (also not experienced enough to trail break). Oddly enough, other times I feel that my bike is quite flickable and nimble. Have a long way to go before I really learn it.
I’m no expert at all take this for what it is advice I’m a new rider myself self taught for me I found a road with curves that wasn’t too sharp rode up & down till I got comfortable then I found a road with sharper tighter turns backroads went up & down those till I got comfortable ride your ride go your speed don’t worry what others are doing I gear down to 4th or even 3rd squeeze the front brake light on the rear a little throttle look all the way through the curve then a little more throttle & you’re out of the curve I also found if I drop my elbows relax them a little it helps me in the curves while doing this I take breaks walk around think about what I just did & what I can do better don’t get cocky just focus on the task at hand don’t worry about anything but right then right there this may or may not help you I don’t want you to get hurt just practice practice do 1 thing a day for instance curves today,maybe traffic tomorrow,then downhill braking,find 1 thing focus on that task for that day that’s how I did it follow your head where you’re looking is where you’ll go don’t try & speed you’ll get there that’s how I started & everyday I continue to learn building blocks everything is built on foundation by the way I started riding on a 2007 Honda Shadow Sabre VT1100 you’re bike was built to do what it does you just got to give it the input hope it helps but don’t hurt yourself what works for me might not for you it’s just advice take it for what it is & go from there
He looks like a new rider at least to that size bike. 1st curve you see he is pulling the bars hard on the left, instead of counter steering to correct the curve...then he clutches and freewheel coasts into rhe second...constantly pulling harder left and then countersteering as he fell when his rear wheel passed him. Nothing wrong with the bike. He would have done it on any bike.
I have ridden wit hundreds of cruiser motorcycle riders and it is true. Most need cornering training. Although most of them just go slow and that works too.
Hey Dan, great video! I'm always having difficulty cornering at speed through bends like this. I stay within the limits, and even tend to go through corners slower than is allowed. I guess I'm worried about lowsiding or hitting a dirt patch or something mid corner. And I don't want to push myself, but am wondering how I could improve on that.
I’m kind of in the same boat. I feel confident in corners in general, I’ve been practicing on the curvy backroads I live on. Feeling confident above 55mph in general but scared to take a corner over 40 mph. I feel like I’ll be ok just worried about it so I’ve been avoiding highways because I feel like going 40 or slower around a corner on the highway could be unsafe as well due to drivers behind me. Just wondering if you’ve conquered all that in the last year you’ve been riding since you wrote this.
@@dylanjohnson7050 well, what helped me the most was first searching the perfect tire pressure just to feel confident in those and moving my upper body a bit towards the left or right mirror when going left of right
I really dont understand how so many people on bikes dont know about counter-steering, we learn it in 10 minutes when riding any type of scooter/bike in my country
Riding 50+ yrs. Been down once, wet road autumn leaves. Was like someone just came up behind me and kicked my rear tire out from under me. (I never touched the brakes) It happens.
The blue Honda in the last part of the video wasn't too much speed, the rider just didn't understand "counter - steering" Oh I'm sure he's heard about it but just shrugged it off. He was direct steering, then he felt the bike going toward the grass and so he was fighting with it and a panicing as well. When will riders start taking heed to counter steering. You have to consciencely practice it and have it mean something to you, own it.
I know I want a sportbikr but Im honestly too immature, and want to experience comfort first lol. I got a vstar650 as my first bike. But I corner the shit out of it. My first ride almost slammed into an SUV, quickly learned how important agility is.
Shadow guy was only going 35 mph at the crash. He should have applied more left lean, not roll off the throttle. Rolling off the throttle changes the suspension and traction dynamic. Roll on throttle in the turn to set the suspension and increase traction. He had plenty of corner, lots of lean angle at a relatively low speed. The guy just got fixated on the outside shoulder and stopped riding the bike.
He was going faster than that. I slowed down the video. Looked like he was going 60-70 right before the crash. I didn't really see him braking but he might have been able to crash at 35 mph, but he was definitely going faster then that initially. It wasn't a sharp turn. He likely just panicked and crashed.
I’ve been wanting to trade my sports bike for a cruiser so I can actually enjoy long rides. I’ve only ever had sports bikes I’ve never ridden a cruiser ever. I have a CBR 600 now, thinkin about trading for a Vulcan 650 s. Is there a big difference in taking corners, lean angle, ride position all that stuff? Is it something that’s hard to adjust to or kinda come natural? I’d appreciate any advice, or suggestions that would help me feel more comfortable with the transition. your videos are always awesome I get a lot of them an enjoy watching them.
I disagree about what happened when the guy on the Shadow ran off the road. He doesn't have a clue about counter-steering. I propose that at some point he panicked and "steered" rather than counter-steered. In effect, he counter-steered right off the road because he did it the wrong way. Instead of push left, go left, he pushed right and went off the road to the right.
The cruiser was going to fast for his skills, when he let off throttle to slow it wasn’t enough speed drop so he pulled in clutch which didn’t help at all. If he would have down shifter BEFORE interning turn and kept up his speed he would had throttle control, counter steering and trail braking to maintain his line, riding outside of his skills with to much speed
What a lot of cruiser riders don't get... Cornering a 600-800lb bike even remotely as fast as pretty much any other kind of bike takes more skill than that other bike would. Many cruiser riders don't care for corner practice and get bum rushed by slightly more challenging Twisties. Then considering the soft suspension,bad brakes etc... Bad times. I slowly practiced grinding my pegs away on my vt1100 sc18/23. Jacked the bike up for more possible lean angle,upgraded front and rear suspension,higher exhaust,better brakes. Now it's a pretty capable machine. All of that after being pretty capable on various other bikes(CBR1000f,bandit1200,xj600,gpx600)
bad cornering, things will happen like a pebble could lift the back tire in a corner and you will lose traction for a brief time, panic mode set in for this rider and without knowing how to handle the bike made 3 bad choices. his first choice was to pull and hold the clutch for a long time now there is zero power to the rear to put the bike where it needs to go, next he chose not to focus where he wanted to be rather looked where the bike was going to end up ( it went exactly where he looked ), now he still had time to recover from all of this but his clutch was in a death grip and the back break was applied ( that is what it looked like to me ) and sliding around and the only outcome left was what happened. I have been in some pretty dicey situations and panic does not help. it is easy to sit in the comfort of my room and say what should have been done. I have been run off the road while cornering on an exit ramp by a drunk person and grass is slick at 45mph but still let the bikes power slow it down and kept it upright, yes I got lucky but I knew not to panic and just do what I needed to do to ride it out to a stop.
The Honda ride probably highsided because he was using the rear brake only. It hit the gravel, locked up and when it regained traction -Over the top! The reason that he went off the outside side is because he was target fixating and not looking through the turn. 30mph isn't that fast and that turn was easily negotiable. i don't think he was countersteering (enough) and braking into a turn stands the bike up.
I would say more, for the cruiser, it sounded like he let off the throttle. Pushing him out. Then hit the bump, then looked back, pushing further out, then panicked, got target fixation, boom goes the dynamite!. In the lean, using a progressive throttle will tighten the turn. Yes I know that’s advanced, but I use all the time on my RoadGlide.
When behind indecisive drivers in congested area's its ever better to take different a route than the soul that's lost. The red, Honda should have just taken the left that the cager didn't. The headache with a great many Cruiser's these days are the mod's they have lavished on their rides. The shadow should have been able to make that left, but one can't tell if he's altered the height, or worse yet dark-sided the rear end with a car tire. Technically all they had to do was ease off the throttle and keep their head turned towards his departure point. That damn been focus when your not concentrating will mess you up bad. Hope their still able to ride.
Bike didn't look that custom and you're right it should have made that turn. Rider slipped the rear, panicked and pulled in his clutch, then realized he was still moving down the road and freaked when he hit the edge.
I'm thinking about buying a Honda Magna 750 and a guy said if you go too deep into a corner you'll be getting scrapped of the road. Wonder if that is true. It kinda has put me off the idea now. What are your views on it?
I think the title should be an advanced course/training should be a mandatory requirement to get your license. Actually that goes for car too especially in countries/areas that have winter conditions.
I dont care if I need to slow down to 5 mph I'm going to be as safe as possible when taking corners... I really don't feel like falling off again. That first wreck at 35 mph was enough for me.
for younger cruiser riders that dont know how to corner, pretend youre playing moto gp or forza or gran tourismo. "where should the driving line be" thats where you should be.
The problem isnt that cruiser riders need advanced cornering training. Its that theyre riding cruisers. Especially if its a Harley bc those things arent capable of doing even the simpliest of task, like cornering or braking or going over 50mph. The only thing a harley is good for is being obnoxious and dumping oil
6:40 he needs more practise in getting his reflexes under control pulling in the clutch in that situation was almost the worst thing to do (besides pulling hard on the brakes) there was no reason to disconnect the engine from the wheels, he should've just let the engine slow him down till he could get back on his laneposition again
I would say that most new motorcycle riders need BASIC motorcycle riding skills before they graduate to 'advanced' skills. The rider in this video showed that he was manifestly inept with his riding skills. Hopefully he's ok and will seek the riding skills/training that he so desperately requires.
Having known a rider like that personally, I'd venture a guess to say that if he healed up ok after the accident, there's a good chance that he gave up riding completely.
@@jordandayedes3628 I hate to agree with you on this point, but my experience is very similar to yours. They not only have to deal with the physical and mental aftermath of the 'fall' but also with all the 'advice' from loved ones that will encourage him to give up riding. I learned at a young age on dirt bikes and falling off and getting back on was 'par for the course', albeit dirt/grass/trails are considerably more 'forgiving' than asphalt. It seems that too many riders opt for 600 lb or 150 bhp motorcycles as their 'first' road bike and very shortly thereafter abandon riding either due to accidents or 'near death, close encounters' and realised their mortality. Starting small and progressing up the food chain is a far better way of becoming a 'lifetime rider'.
Ehhh. As a rider if s standard bike of asian old school design, I typically see the TrackBike vs Cruiser aspursions, like the title here weak. I live in the mountains 50 miles from The Dragon, Moonshiners, Chiraquoa Skyway and Blood Mountain....all we have is tight curves. From observation of locals, 75% are on various cruisers or Harley sportsters, 15% are standards and duals and 10% are sportbikes (most are teens on Ninjas). On weekdays i seldom see an accident being worked and most weekday riders are cruisers. However Fri thru Sun, when the city boys come out, I see mostly track style bikes in ditches/over cliffs with bright plastic pieces strewn on the road. Not saying that's a true survey, but the adrenaline speed boys seem to have the most trouble. Tatoos not withstanding.
I have almost no experience of cruisers, but from observation it seems that to corner them at any decent speed needs a very high degree of skill as most of them (especially HDs) handle like a brewer's dray. Sport bikes are far more forgiving because at any reasonable road speed they have huge margins of brakes, road holding and ground clearance. I have followed HD riders that exhibit a very high degree of skill on our local mountain roads, and I have admired their skill with the narrow margins available on these steep twisty roads.... The problem is you don't see many cruisers on riding courses.... it's nearly all sport bikes and tourers...... pity.....
No clutch, use the engine as a brake, continuously roll off the throttle, stay in lower gear in corner so he had more power to get back on if he had to. And by doing that he might’ve had more traction on the ground instead of just rolling friction from the tire.
I'm a beginner motorcycle rider. Have about two months' experience. But the second rider confuses me. I've done sharper turns faster on a cruiser and this is... stupid? I don't like to use that word cause it sounds so harsh, but that was an easy corner for what looked like 40. Maybe their camera made it look different than it really was, but even basic fundamentals should cover that. Could be the rider is afraid of properly leaning. Maybe looked where they were going instead of where they wanted to go. I learned quickly to trust my tires and look where I wanted to go.
You're reading it right, on such an easy corner they don't have to swing it out so far and could have left themselves a little more wiggle room for potholes and unexpected road conditions. Sometimes it's also against instinct to "recut a turn" when you already have a little lean.
Assuming 45 mph I did some math for how long he took to complete the turn, he had a little over 270 yards to make a 90° angle. If you can't turn 30 degrees in the size of a football field you need practice.
I haven't seen you point out "point fixation", Honda shadow guy does a lot wrong here, Instead of rolling throttle back he pulls in clutch, that takes away the engine braking completely, rolling off the throttle now is useless, he then looks at where he's headed instead of where he should be going, at this point he's only going to go off the road. You mention looking through the corners but you should point out the dangers of point fixation, a lot of the crashes I see on you tube are caused by this and aren't explained well enough in the analysis... PS, not knocking your content, I've been riding high powered bikes for over 40 years and have seen many instances of point fixation, I've even had an argument after seeing a guy do exactly that, then asking what I think happened , I told him what I saw and he refused to believe me, he told me he was "looking for somewhere safe to head as I was clearly going off road", the guy was barely leaning over and wasn't going fast. By his statement. "I was looking for somewhere safe to head" it told me he wasn't looking where he SHOULD have been going.
Someone: *does something stupid and dangerous* Motorcyclist: I’m gonna speed up to get closer to that stupid dangerous person because I’m right and they’re wrong!!! 🤦🏻♂️
Slow look press roll 😂😂 I get that’s fine for absolute beginners, but as soon as someone wants to do spirited riding it doesn’t mean anything. All the dude needed to do was roll off to tighten his line. The whole accelerate through the corner thing is bs and is dangerous
Could be target fixation as well. The guy was also already riding too far outside. I almost always go "outside/inside/outside" on every turn. I would have just aimed the bike towards the apex and it would have moved me away from the edges. Though on this particular road, I might have stuck with a "middle/middle/middle" approach just because there could be oncoming traffic.
that pulling in of the clutch was bad. downshifting that late is a turn not great. clutch in no power to the wheel and loss of traction while he’s holding it in forcing him wide. speed. compounding errors
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Cruiser rider here. This is unfortunately very true. Most other cruiser riders I've talked to see "cornering" as a "crotch rocket thing". It is not, learning how to properly carve corners is essential to ANY motorcycle rider.
I ride a Kingpin and I typically carve valley quite a bit with it. The corners are fun and really good practice
Hi Dan.
I’ve been riding street since ‘95.
I watch your videos to reaffirm what I’ve learned through the years.
Keep up the great work.
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Love the videos Dan , only been riding for a couple of months now but wanted to let you know it’s all been so helpful. Thank you
Glad to help!
He does have A LOT of great info. I've been binging on the videos because I'm just now getting back into riding after about a 12 year break from it. I spooked myself bad turning around in an intersection on a backroad. I got a bit too cocky, and went wide open throttle before I was straightend up, back tire lost traction on some sand, then it hooked up. I got launched off the bike, and then the bike did a half flip and almost landed on me. I didn't get hurt badly, just a few bruises, scrapes and a crushed ego lol.
Take your time, have fun and don't get cocky lol
I’ve been riding since 2015 and I still learn stuff every video!!
@@noahpaul7491- Ride like everyone is out to get you. They are!
As a former MSF Ridercoach, i getta say these breakdown videos are freakin awesome!
Dan, I'm 53 as a new rider your videos are informative and enjoyable to watch so thank you, Sir👍
I found the bike for me, I'm also a guitarist. My Mom always told me practice makes perfect...with your lessons will just make me ride S.M.A R.T. The Chords G, C. D are basic Chords...and you have to play them... but there are 12 notes on a guitar... The Motorcycle is not any different. Learn the notes on the Motorcycle... I only have 5... to learn.
Again, Thank You I will learn it.
I’m here after I almost went down today. Only my 5th trip on the bike, approached a corner at about 45 (signs posted said to slow to 45) and I did not make it. Ended up going off the road in the small patch of grass on the side of the road right before a big hill drop and road through that for about 15ft. I managed to keep upright and get back on the road without losing control, it was for sure a scary moment. Definitely got a lot more practice to do! Thanks for the videos!
I’ve been riding for a pretty long time and I still find nuggets of wisdom in your videos. Definitely glad I stumbled across them!!
As a person that has high sided. It is not fun at all. It hurts. The first impact is so damn hard. Ugh.
I high sided at about 25 or 30 on pavement. My hip was a watermelon for a couple months.
I low sided and my bike flipped high side, Open face helmet and I ate gravel among other injuries. But the helmet did save my head from injuries as it took the initial hit and slide. I still wear an open face as I am claustrophobic in a full face
I did the same recently broke my tibia and fibula.
@Brandon Damn, hope you recover soon
same, broke both of my wrists pretty bad about a year ago
Videos like these are really informative for me since I just recently got myself a motorcycle and learning how to ride and handle one. I feel that these videos will help make my 1st year riding a little less intimidating at the very least!
Glad you like them!
Ride like you're in an economy car and keep your eyes open. No wheelies, lane splitting, moving twice as fast as traffic etc. and you'll probably be fine. Watch the cool crash compilations ('cause they're awesome) and then don't do those things!
Great little mini class. I was thinking the same thing with that cruiser cornering. Push! Push harder! The gravel did him in. Keep em coming Dan. See you tomorrow Teach.
Commit your eyes through the turn; commit yourself through the turn. It's tough, though, when you "pop" due to unexpected floorboard dragging or temporary loss of traction.
I can not over emphasize how important it is for new riders to learn how to counter steer from day one. My first couple months of riding was nerve racking until I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and realized what I was doing wrong. Without counter steering I kept trying to "steer" the handlebars into the turn with little to no lean on the bike. This would result in me going into turns at extremely slow speeds to try and navigate the turn with only the handlebars. Practice dipping the bike side to side in a large parking lot using counter steering and it will change everything. Now, years later when I find myself going a little hot into an unfamiliar curve I only have to roll off the throttle a bit, then "push" the bar a little more and have confidence my bike will angle itself through the turn at a comfortable speed and then throttle out of the exit. Right hand turn, relax my left elbow and grip a bit and then push the right side. Great videos Dan. Thanks.
Dan thanks for the great content and continental focus on safety. I hear your voice as I approach intersections. Yesterday I entered an intersection in orange stage and was immediately able to apply progressive braking as a sedan made a right in front of me. She failed to yield even though she was on red. Non-issue as I was prepared and dealt with the hazard very proactively. It also helps that the bike I was on (2018 Goldwing Tour) has phenomenal front brakes + ABS. Thanks again. Love your channel.
You know I used to hate your videos bc I thought you put to much on the rider. Then as I watched more, I saw that was the point. You know the driver was doing dumb things. However we can't control the driver only ourselves. I've loved your videos ever since and I've been a better rider for it. I still speed at times or have some fun (on open highways with little to no traffic around me) but I've learned tons from these videos. Thank you!
Yes I do. I'm waiting for another class for it.
Had a laugh about your tattoo comment. It could be 130 degrees outside and my girl is wearing a jacket because of the work she's had done to her left arm.
I think the title should be most RIDERS need advanced cornering training, not just cruiser riders. 95% of sportbike riders in Central Illinois at least have zero training as well and ride twice as irresponsibly.
Yup. It seems that the only skill one needs to purchase a motorcycle is having a few dollars or some credit value.
The 'corner' in this video was a actually a very gentle 'sweeper' and could hardly be considered requiring 'advanced cornering training'. The rider in this video was entirely inept and in dire need of basic motorcycle riding skills. Hopefully he's ok and will seek the skills/training that he desperately needs...
I was one of those guys. No training and just bought myself a 600... but what I DIDN'T do is ride above my skill level. Know your limits and learn slowly over time, you don't become Rossi overnight.
@@zacharysmith2983 Exactly....riding within our personal limits is critical.
We all start somewhere and humility is key.
I started young on dirt bikes and 'crashed' a ton, on dirt/grass/mud/trails, while learning riding skills and then graduated to street bikes and progressed from small-ish bikes to a multitude of large bikes. Been at it some 4 decades now...and we never stop learning.
I've done quite a few track days and 'schools' through the years and they're extremely beneficial and humbling...ha!!
Dan love your vids! You ever think about doing a vid about basic first aid you can do if you need to help a rider? Keep up the great work, been riding for a few years and your vids teach me a lot.
Yes. But it will be on the Motorcycle Training Concepts YT Channel. www.UA-cam.com/MotorcycleTrainingConcepts
Dan, you might want to make a video about vehicles signal lights. I was following a car going downhill. What I thought I saw was the drivers right turn signal, so I planned on going around the left side as he slowed. But what I actually saw was his right brake light, as he was pumping his breaks to slow going down hill. His left brake light did not work and he used no turn signals as he actually turned left. I survived w/o incident but it caused me to go left of center into oncoming traffic
Yet another reason for all vehicles to have turn signals different from brake signals...
@@tobiaspieringer1653 I got fooled
I’m new to a cruiser and I’m taking corners slow but I often take them too wide and I’m learning
Yup push pull and leaning at the sametime is a skill that only sadle time can give you
what helped me hugely... and ye mbe it sounds dumb but... doin the figure 8 with different speed and size on a parking lot teaches you how to take away or add throttle if u go to wide or to narrow.
saved me already once, i can only recommend it :)
I got myself a RokForm mount for my S9 plus, its mounted on my indian scout bobber sixty. Loved the product and did the job perfectly!!!
I watch so many of your videos Dan, I know the first time I get on my bike I'll remember your advice.
I still find myself going wide occasionally. Especially around corners I don't ride often. Ease off the throttle a bit or apply a tiny bit of rear brake to tighten up my line. But it is scary to be going wide and then see gravel on the side of the road you're now on. Definitely a gut check to your self perceived "skill" level.
Stay off the brake in corners, it will stand the bike up and change your line. In other words it'll put you right in the other lane towards on coming traffic. 💯
Practice this on a closed track or road.
Also, 1 rock on the road like a marble size will and can make your front tire washout on a corner.
I'll explain in this because you don't sound experienced, this is risky business that can get you dead real quick.
Take a class and practice, practice.
Stay safe
that first person wasn't dumb. someone backed out right in front of them. the rider was too impatient, they didn't let the problem play out in front of them.
i don't see anyone backing out in front of them
when I dont ride, I come to watch Dan's video as riding tips. 👍
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Everytime I ride without full gear (because I'm going 4min from home and I live in the tropics), I see your beard is disappointed.
Hey, idiots don’t just occur more than 5 minutes from home, there is no magic safe bubble of 4 minute radius from home! If the ride is that short, walk or cycle and help save the planet. Above all stay safe, your friend in motorcycling, R
@@rogerjohnson8540 yeah except that I live on a small island and you won't drive over 50km/h 5min from home and most people are also on motorbike.
I always have full face helmet, gloves and boots. When I go farther then I have full gears and airbag vest. I use more gear than 99% of other rider around me. Most don't have any gear at all except a pair of flip flop and occasionally an helmet.
I understand what you are saying and you are right but it's impractical to put full gear all the time when living in the tropic when your only mode of transport is a motorbike.
@@TLK22 hi, thank you for taking the trouble to reply, helmet gloves boots are the three most important pieces of kit, and at 50km they’ll save you from A lot of injuries, shit still happens close to home, but at least on a small island you will probably know who the shittee is!!
And saving the planet should be very important to you, you’ll be amongst the first to get wet feet.
As DDTF says “you do you”
Stay safe and have fun
Dan, love your stuff but in this case I have to wholeheartedly disagree re: "Most Cruiser Riders Need Advanced Cornering Training"? How about BASIC cornering techniques? BASIC. I feel like 99% COULDN'T even pass the (current) m/c endorsement/skills test on their current cruiser rides. Figure 8's? In THEIR fantasies. REAL riding; In THEIR fantasies.
I ride a cruiser (97 Harley Softail Custom) and I think for a lot of people, the problem is for new riders, when they get on a big twin cruiser for the first time, it's significantly heavier than a Sportster or some kind of sport bike or whatever llighter bike they learned on and I think they're afraid to lean because they're probably scared that the bike will just lowside fall. It's a different feel they aren't used to going into a corner, and they also don't slow down as quickly as lighter bikes do.
But a cruiser operates under the same physics as a sport bike, don't be afraid, unless you're going 10 mph, you're not going slow enough for it to just fall away from you in a corner, it wants to be upright just as much as any sport bike does. Just don't lean in deep like a sport bike, then you'll hit hard parts and lose traction and crash.
I see a lot of crashing from cruisers in a corner though due to either coming in too fast, or not leaning enough (and definitely new big twin cruiser riders are by far the worst about not leaning the bike enough for whatever speed they're doing). I'm almost positive the reason you see it so much is people being afraid of the weight. Well that and there's some guys that never learned how to ride properly to begin with, but that's a whole other thing.
They can definitely lean a lot more than people think they can.
I also see them leaning the bike while keeping body more vertical. This difference matters, even with a lighter rider on a heavier bikr.
@@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 I'm usually the other way around. I'll shift my weight towards the inside of the turn to avoid having to lean the bike as much. Since the suspension seals with things better while upright, I want my bike as upright as possible in case I approach something unexpected. I can always add more lean angle. You can't lean it more if you're already scrapping pegs.
Too many don't know countersteering to lean&steer! Learn how motorcycles steer! (Different than in parking lot)
I actually ride "dirt bike style" where I stay perpendicular to the road and lean the bike under me, there's nothing wrong with riding like that.
However, I know if I need more turn, all I have to do is lean my body forward and/or over into the turn to get more turn without needing to add further input (like more counter steering or something), and I actually practice said skill.
Though really, it depends, sometimes I do lean with the bike from the outset, other times I make adjustments by counter steering again, or pushing down harder, clutch work, just letting off the throttle, trail braking... all depends on the circumstances. But by default, I ride "dirt bike style" where I stay up and lean the bike beneath me.
It's actually easier to ride like that for me because I have a wide touring seat, which is leather and leather likes to stick to leather, and I have forward controls, so... yeah, trying to hang off the seat is a huge pita... but I can do it if need be.
I'd say I am a moderately aggressive rider. I'm not out screaming through corners like I'm canyon carving, but I am not riding like a "gandpa" either. I never go in a turn so fast as to rub out the "chicken stripes" from the tires, I think that's stupid as it gives you one less adjustment tool if you need it (grabbing more lean angle). I never go beyond 80% of what I am capable of doing.
I like to scout out my route in the spring to avoid sand and gravel that builds up on the roadways in the winter.
Love your videos! Greetings from Germany Blackforest
And from the South of France - riding since 1975 and still learning
@@n4s117 never stop learning
Im hooked on these videos
Hey Dan!
The guy on the cruiser turned into the corner too early. That’s what caused him to veer wide. The low pegs on a cruiser probably lifted the weight of the rear tyre, hence the initial wobble. I always trailbrake on the rear brakes once I’m past the turn in point. Just to be sure I’ve set the bike up for a corner.
Depends on the cruiser. Intruder 1400 is very good at cornering and leaning. Nothing scrapes when you lean a lot.
Also the Harley FXDX is very good at cornering = nothing scrapes. But the Wide Glide ...off.... horrible in corners
I love your video I enjoy watching it and learn a lots! Thanks and stay safe
“I would rather watch a dumb dumb then be followed by a dumb dumb” well said haha
Cruiser, took eyes off the rd, then looked up and the 'picture changed'. Can bite you quickly.
Well, just really started riding about a week ago... on a Shadow, albeit a 600 not a 750 like the one in the video
Yesterday was my first highway experience - and I could feel firsthand that at certain speeds the bike starts to feel heavy (like "fat ass" feel) when taking turns... since I'm not yet confident enough on how much I should lean it (yes I counter steer) at those speeds, for safety measure I just roll off the throttle a bit and adjust my speed (also not experienced enough to trail break).
Oddly enough, other times I feel that my bike is quite flickable and nimble. Have a long way to go before I really learn it.
I’m no expert at all take this for what it is advice I’m a new rider myself self taught for me I found a road with curves that wasn’t too sharp rode up & down till I got comfortable then I found a road with sharper tighter turns backroads went up & down those till I got comfortable ride your ride go your speed don’t worry what others are doing I gear down to 4th or even 3rd squeeze the front brake light on the rear a little throttle look all the way through the curve then a little more throttle & you’re out of the curve I also found if I drop my elbows relax them a little it helps me in the curves while doing this I take breaks walk around think about what I just did & what I can do better don’t get cocky just focus on the task at hand don’t worry about anything but right then right there this may or may not help you I don’t want you to get hurt just practice practice do 1 thing a day for instance curves today,maybe traffic tomorrow,then downhill braking,find 1 thing focus on that task for that day that’s how I did it follow your head where you’re looking is where you’ll go don’t try & speed you’ll get there that’s how I started & everyday I continue to learn building blocks everything is built on foundation by the way I started riding on a 2007 Honda Shadow Sabre VT1100 you’re bike was built to do what it does you just got to give it the input hope it helps but don’t hurt yourself what works for me might not for you it’s just advice take it for what it is & go from there
Dress to slide, baby!
0:13 wow my first bike was a shadow just like this one. Scary as hell seeing something like that play out from a view you're used to.
He looks like a new rider at least to that size bike. 1st curve you see he is pulling the bars hard on the left, instead of counter steering to correct the curve...then he clutches and freewheel coasts into rhe second...constantly pulling harder left and then countersteering as he fell when his rear wheel passed him.
Nothing wrong with the bike. He would have done it on any bike.
I have ridden wit hundreds of cruiser motorcycle riders and it is true. Most need cornering training. Although most of them just go slow and that works too.
Hey Dan, great video! I'm always having difficulty cornering at speed through bends like this. I stay within the limits, and even tend to go through corners slower than is allowed. I guess I'm worried about lowsiding or hitting a dirt patch or something mid corner. And I don't want to push myself, but am wondering how I could improve on that.
I’m kind of in the same boat. I feel confident in corners in general, I’ve been practicing on the curvy backroads I live on. Feeling confident above 55mph in general but scared to take a corner over 40 mph. I feel like I’ll be ok just worried about it so I’ve been avoiding highways because I feel like going 40 or slower around a corner on the highway could be unsafe as well due to drivers behind me. Just wondering if you’ve conquered all that in the last year you’ve been riding since you wrote this.
@@dylanjohnson7050 well, what helped me the most was first searching the perfect tire pressure just to feel confident in those and moving my upper body a bit towards the left or right mirror when going left of right
good video. Very helpful. God bless
I really dont understand how so many people on bikes dont know about counter-steering, we learn it in 10 minutes when riding any type of scooter/bike in my country
Riding 50+ yrs. Been down once, wet road autumn leaves. Was like someone just came up behind me and kicked my rear tire out from under me. (I never touched the brakes) It happens.
The blue Honda in the last part of the video wasn't too much speed, the rider just didn't understand "counter - steering" Oh I'm sure he's heard about it but just shrugged it off.
He was direct steering, then he felt the bike going toward the grass and so he was fighting with it and a panicing as well. When will riders start taking heed to counter steering. You have to consciencely practice it and have it mean something to you, own it.
I know I want a sportbikr but Im honestly too immature, and want to experience comfort first lol. I got a vstar650 as my first bike. But I corner the shit out of it. My first ride almost slammed into an SUV, quickly learned how important agility is.
When in doubt, throttle it out.
There it is. Right way vs wrong way. There is no "my way."
Shadow guy was only going 35 mph at the crash. He should have applied more left lean, not roll off the throttle. Rolling off the throttle changes the suspension and traction dynamic. Roll on throttle in the turn to set the suspension and increase traction. He had plenty of corner, lots of lean angle at a relatively low speed. The guy just got fixated on the outside shoulder and stopped riding the bike.
He was going faster than that. I slowed down the video. Looked like he was going 60-70 right before the crash. I didn't really see him braking but he might have been able to crash at 35 mph, but he was definitely going faster then that initially. It wasn't a sharp turn. He likely just panicked and crashed.
He pulled the clutch and bar causing bike to go right. Also fixation to outside of corner.
I don’t know if you have any tattoos, but you know how to protect one. People should take note.
I’ve been wanting to trade my sports bike for a cruiser so I can actually enjoy long rides. I’ve only ever had sports bikes I’ve never ridden a cruiser ever. I have a CBR 600 now, thinkin about trading for a Vulcan 650 s. Is there a big difference in taking corners, lean angle, ride position all that stuff? Is it something that’s hard to adjust to or kinda come natural? I’d appreciate any advice, or suggestions that would help me feel more comfortable with the transition. your videos are always awesome I get a lot of them an enjoy watching them.
I disagree about what happened when the guy on the Shadow ran off the road. He doesn't have a clue about counter-steering. I propose that at some point he panicked and "steered" rather than counter-steered. In effect, he counter-steered right off the road because he did it the wrong way. Instead of push left, go left, he pushed right and went off the road to the right.
When he pulled in the clutch (mistake) it pulled the left side of bars, causing bike to go right! Panic soon set in ( braking)
The cruiser was going to fast for his skills, when he let off throttle to slow it wasn’t enough speed drop so he pulled in clutch which didn’t help at all. If he would have down shifter BEFORE interning turn and kept up his speed he would had throttle control, counter steering and trail braking to maintain his line, riding outside of his skills with to much speed
What a lot of cruiser riders don't get...
Cornering a 600-800lb bike even remotely as fast as pretty much any other kind of bike takes more skill than that other bike would.
Many cruiser riders don't care for corner practice and get bum rushed by slightly more challenging Twisties.
Then considering the soft suspension,bad brakes etc...
Bad times.
I slowly practiced grinding my pegs away on my vt1100 sc18/23.
Jacked the bike up for more possible lean angle,upgraded front and rear suspension,higher exhaust,better brakes.
Now it's a pretty capable machine.
All of that after being pretty capable on various other bikes(CBR1000f,bandit1200,xj600,gpx600)
Melancholy, cool
bad cornering, things will happen like a pebble could lift the back tire in a corner and you will lose traction for a brief time, panic mode set in for this rider and without knowing how to handle the bike made 3 bad choices. his first choice was to pull and hold the clutch for a long time now there is zero power to the rear to put the bike where it needs to go, next he chose not to focus where he wanted to be rather looked where the bike was going to end up ( it went exactly where he looked ), now he still had time to recover from all of this but his clutch was in a death grip and the back break was applied ( that is what it looked like to me ) and sliding around and the only outcome left was what happened.
I have been in some pretty dicey situations and panic does not help. it is easy to sit in the comfort of my room and say what should have been done. I have been run off the road while cornering on an exit ramp by a drunk person and grass is slick at 45mph but still let the bikes power slow it down and kept it upright, yes I got lucky but I knew not to panic and just do what I needed to do to ride it out to a stop.
2:57 Dumdums turn signal lit up as the rider went passed. The guy was a fool to pass.
*reads title; Heh heh, you oughtta see my GoPro footage on tail of the dragon from 3 weeks ago. My cruiser lives up to the flames (stock paint FYI).
The Honda ride probably highsided because he was using the rear brake only. It hit the gravel, locked up and when it regained traction -Over the top! The reason that he went off the outside side is because he was target fixating and not looking through the turn. 30mph isn't that fast and that turn was easily negotiable. i don't think he was countersteering (enough) and braking into a turn stands the bike up.
I would say more, for the cruiser, it sounded like he let off the throttle. Pushing him out. Then hit the bump, then looked back, pushing further out, then panicked, got target fixation, boom goes the dynamite!. In the lean, using a progressive throttle will tighten the turn. Yes I know that’s advanced, but I use all the time on my RoadGlide.
I took a turn to wide on my CBT if there was a car on the other lane while after the turn it could of been bad for me
When behind indecisive drivers in congested area's its ever better to take different a route than the soul that's lost. The red, Honda should have just taken the left that the cager didn't. The headache with a great many Cruiser's these days are the mod's they have lavished on their rides. The shadow should have been able to make that left, but one can't tell if he's altered the height, or worse yet dark-sided the rear end with a car tire. Technically all they had to do was ease off the throttle and keep their head turned towards his departure point. That damn been focus when your not concentrating will mess you up bad. Hope their still able to ride.
Bike didn't look that custom and you're right it should have made that turn. Rider slipped the rear, panicked and pulled in his clutch, then realized he was still moving down the road and freaked when he hit the edge.
I'm thinking about buying a Honda Magna 750 and a guy said if you go too deep into a corner you'll be getting scrapped of the road. Wonder if that is true. It kinda has put me off the idea now. What are your views on it?
3:36 why was this guy looking at the clutch like he didn't know where the clutch is? Surely the back stepped out here due to brake application?
don't know about where you are Dan, but no Track Days for Cruisers up here lol
Ditch the cruiser.. only a matter of time before you meet a corner it cant handle..
@@fernandizo Don't outride your bikes capabilities.
Cruisers aren't the issue
I think the title should be an advanced course/training should be a mandatory requirement to get your license. Actually that goes for car too especially in countries/areas that have winter conditions.
The first one did not slow down. He knew that the car is turning but the rider maintains the speed. Slow down on any intersection
Brakes?
I dont care if I need to slow down to 5 mph I'm going to be as safe as possible when taking corners... I really don't feel like falling off again. That first wreck at 35 mph was enough for me.
Holy chimichanga.
for younger cruiser riders that dont know how to corner, pretend youre playing moto gp or forza or gran tourismo. "where should the driving line be" thats where you should be.
I understand that you review a loooot of videos but 0:38 this is the 4th time I've seen you review this video if you include streams separately lol
The problem isnt that cruiser riders need advanced cornering training. Its that theyre riding cruisers. Especially if its a Harley bc those things arent capable of doing even the simpliest of task, like cornering or braking or going over 50mph. The only thing a harley is good for is being obnoxious and dumping oil
6:40
he needs more practise in getting his reflexes under control
pulling in the clutch in that situation was almost the worst thing to do (besides pulling hard on the brakes)
there was no reason to disconnect the engine from the wheels, he should've just let the engine slow him down till he could get back on his laneposition again
I would say that most new motorcycle riders need BASIC motorcycle riding skills before they graduate to 'advanced' skills.
The rider in this video showed that he was manifestly inept with his riding skills. Hopefully he's ok and will seek the riding skills/training that he so desperately requires.
Having known a rider like that personally, I'd venture a guess to say that if he healed up ok after the accident, there's a good chance that he gave up riding completely.
@@jordandayedes3628 I hate to agree with you on this point, but my experience is very similar to yours. They not only have to deal with the physical and mental aftermath of the 'fall' but also with all the 'advice' from loved ones that will encourage him to give up riding.
I learned at a young age on dirt bikes and falling off and getting back on was 'par for the course', albeit dirt/grass/trails are considerably more 'forgiving' than asphalt.
It seems that too many riders opt for 600 lb or 150 bhp motorcycles as their 'first' road bike and very shortly thereafter abandon riding either due to accidents or 'near death, close encounters' and realised their mortality.
Starting small and progressing up the food chain is a far better way of becoming a 'lifetime rider'.
Ehhh. As a rider if s standard bike of asian old school design, I typically see the TrackBike vs Cruiser aspursions, like the title here weak.
I live in the mountains 50 miles from The Dragon, Moonshiners, Chiraquoa Skyway and Blood Mountain....all we have is tight curves.
From observation of locals, 75% are on various cruisers or Harley sportsters, 15% are standards and duals and 10% are sportbikes (most are teens on Ninjas).
On weekdays i seldom see an accident being worked and most weekday riders are cruisers. However Fri thru Sun, when the city boys come out, I see mostly track style bikes in ditches/over cliffs with bright plastic pieces strewn on the road.
Not saying that's a true survey, but the adrenaline speed boys seem to have the most trouble. Tatoos not withstanding.
I have almost no experience of cruisers, but from observation it seems that to corner them at any decent speed needs a very high degree of skill as most of them (especially HDs) handle like a brewer's dray. Sport bikes are far more forgiving because at any reasonable road speed they have huge margins of brakes, road holding and ground clearance. I have followed HD riders that exhibit a very high degree of skill on our local mountain roads, and I have admired their skill with the narrow margins available on these steep twisty roads....
The problem is you don't see many cruisers on riding courses.... it's nearly all sport bikes and tourers...... pity.....
Kinda looks like the rider is trying to turn left rather than push left which if forcing him right.. I ride a Big Cruiser just my little input.
@5:28 I usually squeeze the clutch and let off gas some and maybe lean more... Is that not normal practice?
Slow look press roll for slight corners and trail break plus heavy leaning for sharper corners I think
Sounds like the cruise dragged too much peg and got him squirrel and spooked. You have to know the limits of your machine too.
Dan, where are your pants?
How much is your body and health worth to you? Buy full gear! It will pay itself back in a crash, and you can wear it for a long time.
Was there any way for the Shadow rider to prevent the crash? Like trail braking, countersteering even more and not pulling in the clutch?
Before he got to the gravel yes, after that pretty much no, if nothing happens when you lost traction so severely, then its mostly luck.
No clutch, use the engine as a brake, continuously roll off the throttle, stay in lower gear in corner so he had more power to get back on if he had to. And by doing that he might’ve had more traction on the ground instead of just rolling friction from the tire.
I'm a beginner motorcycle rider. Have about two months' experience. But the second rider confuses me. I've done sharper turns faster on a cruiser and this is... stupid? I don't like to use that word cause it sounds so harsh, but that was an easy corner for what looked like 40. Maybe their camera made it look different than it really was, but even basic fundamentals should cover that. Could be the rider is afraid of properly leaning. Maybe looked where they were going instead of where they wanted to go. I learned quickly to trust my tires and look where I wanted to go.
You're reading it right, on such an easy corner they don't have to swing it out so far and could have left themselves a little more wiggle room for potholes and unexpected road conditions. Sometimes it's also against instinct to "recut a turn" when you already have a little lean.
Assuming 45 mph I did some math for how long he took to complete the turn, he had a little over 270 yards to make a 90° angle. If you can't turn 30 degrees in the size of a football field you need practice.
I just watch your videos instead of taking a MSF 😂
If you want to ride definitely take the MSF course :)
I haven't seen you point out "point fixation", Honda shadow guy does a lot wrong here, Instead of rolling throttle back he pulls in clutch, that takes away the engine braking completely, rolling off the throttle now is useless, he then looks at where he's headed instead of where he should be going, at this point he's only going to go off the road. You mention looking through the corners but you should point out the dangers of point fixation, a lot of the crashes I see on you tube are caused by this and aren't explained well enough in the analysis... PS, not knocking your content, I've been riding high powered bikes for over 40 years and have seen many instances of point fixation, I've even had an argument after seeing a guy do exactly that, then asking what I think happened , I told him what I saw and he refused to believe me, he told me he was "looking for somewhere safe to head as I was clearly going off road", the guy was barely leaning over and wasn't going fast. By his statement. "I was looking for somewhere safe to head" it told me he wasn't looking where he SHOULD have been going.
3:30
Someone: *does something stupid and dangerous*
Motorcyclist: I’m gonna speed up to get closer to that stupid dangerous person because I’m right and they’re wrong!!! 🤦🏻♂️
As a cruiser rider I'm offended by the title lol
Slow look press roll 😂😂 I get that’s fine for absolute beginners, but as soon as someone wants to do spirited riding it doesn’t mean anything. All the dude needed to do was roll off to tighten his line. The whole accelerate through the corner thing is bs and is dangerous
So many of these videos where the biker is in the "right" would get you fined in the EU. America sure has some crazy laws.
Lot of Cruiser riders have little Experience and Confidence comes to turns. Most Cruisers are Very Capable in Twists.
Could be target fixation as well. The guy was also already riding too far outside. I almost always go "outside/inside/outside" on every turn. I would have just aimed the bike towards the apex and it would have moved me away from the edges. Though on this particular road, I might have stuck with a "middle/middle/middle" approach just because there could be oncoming traffic.
that pulling in of the clutch was bad. downshifting that late is a turn not great. clutch in no power to the wheel and loss of traction while he’s holding it in forcing him wide. speed. compounding errors
Isn't that Harley going like 35mph?
Its a Honda Shadow and he was going 60-70 unless his speedo was way off.
Lost some of his tattoo lol
I'm better on my Cruiser than on my Sports Bike.
Actually, most cruiser riders need remedial cornering training. This is a basic skill they’re lacking.