Glad the booster plug worked as well for you as it did for me, completely improved the riding experience for me. And yes you are spot on it does change the exhaust noise for the better, I'm pretty sure I'd said this to you in a previous message. The reason being because the plug brings the air/fuel ratio closer the the perfect mixture the engine is much happier and has a better combustion which produces a better noise. Also yes you will get a better fuel economy, it's win win win with the plug. If anyone is reading this I do not work for the booster plug company and there are other plugs out there which I'm sure would have a similar effect, I just gave this one a go and it works absolutely perfectly on the 790 so I had to recommend it to Cambell Zero One 😂
It's made a massive difference Dean. A no brainer for any owner. Especially at that price. No rolling road or tuning required. I'm sure you are right about mentioning the exhaust note to me. But the first day I started it I wasn't wearing earplugs or a helmet and just standing next to it, so it was hard to tell for sure. 1st ride to work there was a lot going on - First proper run of 2020, 0 degrees temperature, deer on the morning commute and trying to take on board how the bike was feeling. Wasn't really until day 2 (when this was filmed) that I felt relaxed enough to ride normally and take it all in. I can't wait to get some proper mileage done now, and see what a few more miles of 'learning' does to the booster plug. GREAT recommendation 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@CampbellZeroOne no the ecu fuelling map on the 790 as standard is perfect apart from the air/fuel ratio throughout the map which bike manufacturers have to now put on lean side simply just to reduce emissions and pass the new 'Euro' regulations 🙄 but yeah that plug definitely gets it right and I completely agree it is a no brainer. Where did you get to with the brake pads?! This was for sure the 2nd best mod for me on the 790, I love the brakes now. I went on a trip the other day and because there was barely anyone on the road it became my little racetrack 😂 I then really noticed how much more responsive the brakes are, so much sharper with much less effort to get the slowing down correct before entering a corner at speed. I see them 890 reviews are saying it's a huge improvement over the 790 blah blah blah but with that plug and the pads I'm sure the difference between the 2 bikes is significantly reduced and it really doesn't cost much money to do both.
We tested both of these on a dynomometer extensively on a 2019 Duke 790. What we found was that the booster plug did absolutely nothing to the air fuel ratio until the bike went into open loop, where it then just abruptly shot to very rich once open loop came into play. The K&N filters, while the are serviceable, actually typically lose HP and don't flow as well as stock paper elements. We are not sure why KTM considers them 'Performance', but maybe they perform very well during the cleaning process? There is that.
Thats really interesting about the booster plug ... guess it makes sense though as the closed loop surely doesn't make any use of intake air temp data, it is using only the lambda's in the exhaust headers? Would that be correct?
@@MotoGoato It may passively but for the most part in closed loop it is mostly the narrow band O2's. We have mapped out closed loop on that bike (it is all over the board) and know where all of it is, and the booster plug did nothing to the air fuel ratios in those ranges. When things started looking at the temp sensor, it just shot to over rich and in most cases lost horsepower. That being said, this is a product someone sells and these were just our findings. We did not want to make a video about it because that's just not what we are all about but thought we would share our findings on this one. There may be other models that work well with this product, but on our 790 we did not see results that made much sense.
KTM supply DNA filters for some of their bikes, like the 1190 Adventure. I'm not sure why they chose K&N for some other bikes when the DNA filter is a far better option.
Hi there. Sorry, I've just noticed your comment as for some reason UA-cam haven't been sending out alerts so it looks like I've missed quite a few. I don't have access to rolling roads or anything like that where I stay in Scotland, so all that I can go on is the seat of my pants barometer. That's also one of the reasons I went with the Booster Plug. Ease of install and a recommendation from a friend. I'm not sponsored by anyone. I'm just an owner keeping a journal of my time with my 790 Duke. Could my bike being a very early '17 be anything to do with the improvements that I feel? An older state of tune? It definitely is smoother lower down the rev range with noticeably less surge than before, especially negotiating roundabouts. I know that a friend tried one on his newer 790 Adventure but saw little improvement. Nice to have caught Rottweiler's eye even if it wasn't for the reason that I'd have wished, and thanks for explaining how it works. Rob
don't know if booster plug has been improved, but i had one over a year ago..... it didn't make much difference, so i sold it on....... after seeing good reviews on the rapid bike easy, i purchased that, and it made a huge improvement to low speed running.... its a little more difficult to install as it connects in series with the lamda sensors and you have to lift the tank (not remove) to fit it, but i think the results are worth it.
Thanks for that D R Not heard of the Rapid Bike Easy before. I'll go look into it. I'm surprised that you didn't notice much of an improvement with the Booster. But I dare say that they are continually updating things so I may have a more recent tune to my one. Either way, the bike definitely needed it eh?
Cannot tell you how much I enjoyed that. Especially around 4 mins when the bike started. Great countryside too. I remember 30mph in 3rd gear Street Mode, really annoying. Difficult to keep at speed limit so had to go into 2nd most of the time in town. Sounds like you cracked it and sound effects from filter also. I think you should post daily updates though 😁 I’m off to watch it again, so jealous you would not believe it 🤢🤢🤢
Thanks for the upload about this. I’ve got a 790 too and have been considering getting either a plug and play, or a full remap. Not sure what’s the best?!
Hi James. Suppose it depends on your budget and whether you are chasing bhp or not. Good thing about the Booster is that you can remove it and put it back to standard yourself in about 10 minutes. No need for a rolling road etc and it self learns to suit your bike and riding style so I believe. If it's just a smooth throttle response and a little more torque, then you can't go wrong for the money.
Isn't this thing basically just an AIT sensor relocation and removing the stock AIT sensor and adding an extension harness to it to better place it in cooler ambient air achieve the exact same thing? Also since the engine thinks its getting colder air, does it not advance the ignition table as well? Typically when an engine gets heat soaked from a high intake temp readings from sensor, it will pull ignition timing and reduce performance. So if its seeing colder air, it will run full timing advance.
Hello Campbell Zero One. I'm glad the product made the bike smoother but... As far as i know the bike has catalytic converter and has no reprogramming right? Any thoughts on taking the bike to the dyno? Just to demystify what really happened with the mixture air fuel... If it is richer or what is happening .. Thanks
It’s funny how subjective these things are. After having the latest map downloaded to my 790 in feb 2019. I found the engine characteristics so much better that I’m more than happy with the bike and don’t feel the need to add any fuelling changes.
Looks great . I have a 1090 and the low rev fuelling is aweful, Cuts out all the time if you fail to change down quick enough, ridiculous on a motor with so much torque. Has the booster improved this characheristic on the 790?
Hi Edward. Sorry for the mega delay getting back to you. But UA-cam doesn't always pass on any comments. Yes, for sure the bike is more thirsty. Changing sprockets (one tooth off the front and adding one to the rear) hasn't helped, but this bike's for fun 😉 If I'm touring or going far I just swap from Track to Street which helps.
I just put the boosterplug on My 2020 superduke 1290 GT, It is smoother and instant throttle response is better. Easyer to do 3rd gear power wheelies. It still feels rough under 3 K. Now I am going to add the Rottweiler fueling dongles and see if it helps the low end. If a powercomander was avliable for a 2020 I would have that instead. I have a PCV on My 2015 SDR and it is insane and dangerous it almost jerks My arms out of the socket.
Thanks Busamaster, all good to know and helps with people's decision making. Surely Powercommander can't be too far away from offering something for the 2020 model GT? You not fancy waiting just a tiny wee bit longer? 🤔😉😂
I tried on on my 790 adventure and it actually made the low RPM running worse. It surges and hunts more below 3000 RPM than in stock condition. The reason I bought it was to cure that issue. I'm going the PV 5 route from Rottweiler. Dang I wanted it to work well being 1/3 the cost of the PC!
@@mrskitz338 Update: The bike seems to have adapted to the BP somehow with more riding. I did not think the ECU did that (maybe it doesn't?) but it does feel better over stock. I've plugged it in and unplugged it several times and run the bike for 50+ miles ea. time to compare, BP helps. As to the PC V, the stock street map does not affect the closed loop section as far as fuel changes (it can adjust ign. timing tho) so you still end up with the too lean EPA A/F ratio though it does improve the open loop area for more power. So unless you run an offroad map in a PC V with the O2 sensors unplugged it appears the BP is the best option to help the closed loop section.
@@DRFOX55 If you run it upfront you really need to pull off the tank to run under the top bridge part though you may be able to snake it through by some means and a lot of patience. The easy solution is to run it back to one of the air intake 'funnels' and zip tie it to the wiring harness with the probe right in front of the intake. That way as the engine draws in air it runs over the probe, which amounts to it sensing ambient air temp.
I just ordered the Booster and K&N filter, primarily form the info in your recording. Does the air filter require oiling? If so, how far apart do you have to oil? (Under normal conditions)
The pops and crackles come from the emissions systems, better known as the 'Secondary Air System' or 'SAS' and it is just a lean condition in the exhaust system. An properly tuned system with the SAS will still pop and crackly, but once the emissions are removed that tends to subside quite a bit. If it still does it when the emissions are removed, then you just have a lean bike.
Excellent.. Great new content! Booster plug looks like a sound investment. Hope you're well and safe mate. 👍 Ps have you joined the KTM 790/890 Facebook group? If not, it would be great to see you there sharing your content.. There's currently about 500 members and growing. All the best, ride safe.. (When you can) 👍👍👍👍 Stewart
Hi Stewart. No, I've not been on any of the forums mate. Always a bit worried that I'll get a slating or that I'll be accused of pinching other people's ideas 😂 It's a nightmare doing this at times as people jump to the conclusion that you see yourself as some kind of an expert on this bike, when all I'm doing is a video diary on what it's like to own and run one. Is it an international page?
@@CampbellZeroOne Hi Matey, hope you are well and safe. It is indeed an international facebook group, I've found everyone on there to be genuinely lovely people, both guys and gals.. A couple are already youtube vloggers!! You have been mentioned on the forum in a positive manner I might add!! 😅 However I fully appreciate your point on certain people attacking good folks like yourself, who take the time and effort to share your experiences with them via "The Tube". Rest assured though bud, I'm sure many out there really enjoy your uploads, as I do! Keep it coming! Ride Safe. All the best Stewart 👍👍👍👍👍
Sorry Duke. Only just spotted your question. I've had my one fitted on two service intervals without issue. If it's something that worries you it's literally a 15-20 min job to remove and leaves no trace.
Dik Tat Hi there. I'm guessing that it's best to cover yourself in this case and not take it to the dealership for any servicing while it's installed. It's only a 10 minute job once a year so no big deal. I don't think KTM would actually have any real issues with it as it's not an ECU re-flash. It's basically just telling the bike to ignore the emissions settings that the EU have in place and which cause the bike to run a bit lumpy low down the rev range. You haven't tuned it for power. I'm sure KTM themselves would have preferred to do it and could do it, but have to comply with EU regs as a manufacturer. After the bike is 3 years old I'll probably have to take out the Booster for its MOT (annual roadworthyness test in the UK) as emissions are tested as part of that. Play it safe and don't make any incriminating videos about it 😉😂
@@CampbellZeroOne Hey thanks for the reply! Yeah, I figured it may be smart to remove before taking it to the dealer. Fortunately I don't have any emissions requirements where I live in Nevada. None of my vehicles have to get any sort of inspection, it's pretty great to be honest haha.
Hi CZO, Just wanted to check back in after a bit of time to see how the performance is holding up. Reading Rottweiler's post below left me a little bit confused just as I was about to hit the Send button on the purchase. Are you still happy with it? Anything to boost low down torque is a winner for me so am hoping it's still performing as well as you said on here (not at all bothered at all with top end). Any other observations over the elapsed time would be great as well. Cheers. Steve
Hi Steve. I'm waaaaay behind on this post. Your comment came through okay, but for some reason loads of others hadn't. It appears that I've kicked a hornets nest with this video. Rottweiler have been busy in the comments section, which I don't mind as I want everyone to get good honest advice and information and they are right up there in that department. They are a brand that I follow and respect so wouldn't dream of arguing with them. My intention is to make truthful videos of my experiences as a 790 owner. I stand by my seat of the pants evaluation. Like you I wasn't looking for more bhp or top end and I don't really care how it works/gets the job done. I just wanted a smoother throttle response at the bottom end without having to travel hundreds of miles for a remap. I know that this hasn't been done on a rolling road, but the plug definitely does that. I will say though that my bike is an early '17 so maybe it has a different tune than newer 790s. I've asked Rottweiler if that's a possibility as the one they tested was a '19. I know Codger Biker tried one on his newer 790 Adventure and didn't notice as much of a difference as I did. If your bike is a newer one then it might not be worth the bother to you. Again, it's down to your budget and what you hope to get out of it. If you look through the comments there were a couple of other options mentioned by people which you may want to consider if you don't feel it's worth going for the Booster after all of that. Unfortunately we are still under lockdown conditions here, so I've only managed a couple of more sensible very short commutes since making this video. Hoping that changes in the next week or two so that I can get some miles covered and do a follow up video. I'm not on any of the forums, so any advice or suggestions usually gets to me through the comments section. Thanks for getting in touch. Appreciate it 😉👍🏼
Hi Rob, Mine's May 2018. If it works for you then £100 or so, and it being plug and play, is a bargain for sure. I think I'll wait for your next review then if you're still happy I'll go for it. Getting Metzeler RoadTec 01 SEs put on next week in anticipation of the Spanish or the French letting us in - fingers crossed.. There's nothing like twisties on (worn in) perfect new tyres. Keep up the good work. Steve
@@stevedavison7392 Sorry Steve, these comments still aren't coming through to me... Booster are located in Denmark and took about 5 days to get to me in the North East of Scotland. I'm planning a video update to clear things up in the next few days weather permitting. If it's any consolation, there's a no quibbles money back guarantee with the Booster. Codger Biker tried one on his 790 Adventure and sent it back after a month with no issues. But I'll cover that off on the update. Tires make a massive difference to this bike. The best thing ever was getting rid of the original Maxxis and onto some good rubber. You'll have a great time on those roads 👍🏼
Very interesting video. Could I play the devils advocate here and suggest that this device may actually worsen the fuelling at higher revs and wide open throttle. If it works by kidding the ECU that it's a colder ambient temperature, then the extra richness would be across the whole map, surely? Most bikes don't suffer the lean conditions at high revs and big throttle, only down low and small throttle openings, hence this would make it run too rich at the top end, just my opinion. Has anyone checked the air/fuel ratio on a dyno, that would be interesting.
Can't say as I've noticed anything higher up astrostrotch. And with the engine character I generally don't feel the need to rev it out in any gear. May be something that would show up holding gears between corners on a track day though.
Another great vid and looks like the booster plug dose the business and it really is just plug and play👌 I think I remember you was looking for power part levers? I've got a set that's only done 800miles I've bought an 890 just waiting for delivery when ever that will be with all this shit going on but I would sell you them for 1/2price I'm in Aberdeen
Why not put the temp sensor as close to the air inlet as possible, under the seat? That is the temp of the air entering the engine - it is not the correct temp placing the sensor out in the breeze - that's not an accurate location for true inlet air temps.
Hi just wondering you've put in description the link to the booster plug.. is that where you purchased yours?? Did you pay the $160 if yes how long did it take to arrive thanks
Just caught your Portimao video. Good job. I was there at this year's MotoGP race weekend and thought it looked like it would be amazing to ride. That last corner onto the straight and then trying to find a breaking marker at the end of it... 😬 Was it easy to learn?
@@CampbellZeroOne hi mate yeah it was amazing!!! 100% recommended.. I learned the track on a xbox game before I went which was the best thing to do.. its quite tricky and lots of blind corners.. the camera doesn't do the speed or the steepness of the rise and falls justice.. il be going again next year! Very well organised and hotel was spot on.. I've got hours of footage but not had chance to filter through it yet
@@youtubed9695 Yup. The elevation changes are what caught my eye. Looks a lot more fun than Silverstone or somewhere like that. Was that the big hotel near the track that you stayed at or were you in town? Only takes around 25 mins to get there on the backroads. Mad drivers though 😂 Was getting the bike out there easy? That's what's putting me off if I'm being honest. Got nowhere nearby to drop off/pick up so would need to factor that in too.
@@CampbellZeroOne yeah there is a hotel at track but I was at the one next to the marina in town.. it was 26mins away and barely any traffic at all. The town was lovely too.. I dropped my bike off at Donnington Park but I'm only 30 mins from there. Some people paid a company to take their bike and strap it up..
@@youtubed9695 We stayed near the Marina too. Came in handy because the only place that you could pick up tickets was from the museum on the quayside. Great value for money Portugal isn't it. Not so bad that you are close to a pick up point. Makes it less of an ordeal. So did you get a crate with your bike to store your gear in?
So far as I know it's not essential Graham. I only put one in as I'd been told it improved the induction note and sounded better. Putting together a quick video just now about how the Booster feels to me with or without etc.
Hi fella, thank you for your video. Just a bit of advise, you really need to invest in better audio, it was really muffled. Couldn't hardly hear a word you said. ''Really very poor''.
That's a really old vid mate. Turned out there was a broken wire in the mic so unfortunately it was only recording in mono and couldn't be saved. Also, I didn't want to fake my 'first time reaction' by shooting it again once I noticed during editing.
Glad the booster plug worked as well for you as it did for me, completely improved the riding experience for me. And yes you are spot on it does change the exhaust noise for the better, I'm pretty sure I'd said this to you in a previous message. The reason being because the plug brings the air/fuel ratio closer the the perfect mixture the engine is much happier and has a better combustion which produces a better noise. Also yes you will get a better fuel economy, it's win win win with the plug. If anyone is reading this I do not work for the booster plug company and there are other plugs out there which I'm sure would have a similar effect, I just gave this one a go and it works absolutely perfectly on the 790 so I had to recommend it to Cambell Zero One 😂
It's made a massive difference Dean. A no brainer for any owner. Especially at that price. No rolling road or tuning required.
I'm sure you are right about mentioning the exhaust note to me. But the first day I started it I wasn't wearing earplugs or a helmet and just standing next to it, so it was hard to tell for sure. 1st ride to work there was a lot going on - First proper run of 2020, 0 degrees temperature, deer on the morning commute and trying to take on board how the bike was feeling. Wasn't really until day 2 (when this was filmed) that I felt relaxed enough to ride normally and take it all in.
I can't wait to get some proper mileage done now, and see what a few more miles of 'learning' does to the booster plug. GREAT recommendation 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@CampbellZeroOne no the ecu fuelling map on the 790 as standard is perfect apart from the air/fuel ratio throughout the map which bike manufacturers have to now put on lean side simply just to reduce emissions and pass the new 'Euro' regulations 🙄 but yeah that plug definitely gets it right and I completely agree it is a no brainer. Where did you get to with the brake pads?! This was for sure the 2nd best mod for me on the 790, I love the brakes now. I went on a trip the other day and because there was barely anyone on the road it became my little racetrack 😂 I then really noticed how much more responsive the brakes are, so much sharper with much less effort to get the slowing down correct before entering a corner at speed.
I see them 890 reviews are saying it's a huge improvement over the 790 blah blah blah but with that plug and the pads I'm sure the difference between the 2 bikes is significantly reduced and it really doesn't cost much money to do both.
@@CampbellZeroOne hi mate is there any difference to fuel economy..? Is it better or worse or the same thanks
I've fitted booster plugs on 3 different bikes. All benefitted from smoother running at low revs.
We tested both of these on a dynomometer extensively on a 2019 Duke 790. What we found was that the booster plug did absolutely nothing to the air fuel ratio until the bike went into open loop, where it then just abruptly shot to very rich once open loop came into play. The K&N filters, while the are serviceable, actually typically lose HP and don't flow as well as stock paper elements. We are not sure why KTM considers them 'Performance', but maybe they perform very well during the cleaning process? There is that.
Thats really interesting about the booster plug ... guess it makes sense though as the closed loop surely doesn't make any use of intake air temp data, it is using only the lambda's in the exhaust headers? Would that be correct?
@@MotoGoato It may passively but for the most part in closed loop it is mostly the narrow band O2's. We have mapped out closed loop on that bike (it is all over the board) and know where all of it is, and the booster plug did nothing to the air fuel ratios in those ranges. When things started looking at the temp sensor, it just shot to over rich and in most cases lost horsepower. That being said, this is a product someone sells and these were just our findings. We did not want to make a video about it because that's just not what we are all about but thought we would share our findings on this one. There may be other models that work well with this product, but on our 790 we did not see results that made much sense.
@@RottweilerPerformance Thanks for the reply :)
KTM supply DNA filters for some of their bikes, like the 1190 Adventure. I'm not sure why they chose K&N for some other bikes when the DNA filter is a far better option.
Hi there. Sorry, I've just noticed your comment as for some reason UA-cam haven't been sending out alerts so it looks like I've missed quite a few.
I don't have access to rolling roads or anything like that where I stay in Scotland, so all that I can go on is the seat of my pants barometer. That's also one of the reasons I went with the Booster Plug. Ease of install and a recommendation from a friend. I'm not sponsored by anyone. I'm just an owner keeping a journal of my time with my 790 Duke.
Could my bike being a very early '17 be anything to do with the improvements that I feel? An older state of tune? It definitely is smoother lower down the rev range with noticeably less surge than before, especially negotiating roundabouts.
I know that a friend tried one on his newer 790 Adventure but saw little improvement.
Nice to have caught Rottweiler's eye even if it wasn't for the reason that I'd have wished, and thanks for explaining how it works.
Rob
don't know if booster plug has been improved, but i had one over a year ago..... it didn't make much difference, so i sold it on....... after seeing good reviews on the rapid bike easy, i purchased that, and it made a huge improvement to low speed running.... its a little more difficult to install as it connects in series with the lamda sensors and you have to lift the tank (not remove) to fit it, but i think the results are worth it.
Thanks for that D R Not heard of the Rapid Bike Easy before. I'll go look into it. I'm surprised that you didn't notice much of an improvement with the Booster. But I dare say that they are continually updating things so I may have a more recent tune to my one.
Either way, the bike definitely needed it eh?
@@CampbellZeroOne yep for sure.... the booster plug is deffo easier to fit, and they must have updated it so happy days 👍
Cannot tell you how much I enjoyed that. Especially around 4 mins when the bike started. Great countryside too. I remember 30mph in 3rd gear Street Mode, really annoying. Difficult to keep at speed limit so had to go into 2nd most of the time in town. Sounds like you cracked it and sound effects from filter also. I think you should post daily updates though 😁 I’m off to watch it again, so jealous you would not believe it 🤢🤢🤢
Thanks for the upload about this. I’ve got a 790 too and have been considering getting either a plug and play, or a full remap. Not sure what’s the best?!
Hi James. Suppose it depends on your budget and whether you are chasing bhp or not. Good thing about the Booster is that you can remove it and put it back to standard yourself in about 10 minutes. No need for a rolling road etc and it self learns to suit your bike and riding style so I believe. If it's just a smooth throttle response and a little more torque, then you can't go wrong for the money.
Campbell Zero One wonderful thank you. Been waiting for someone to do this and review!
Isn't this thing basically just an AIT sensor relocation and removing the stock AIT sensor and adding an extension harness to it to better place it in cooler ambient air achieve the exact same thing? Also since the engine thinks its getting colder air, does it not advance the ignition table as well? Typically when an engine gets heat soaked from a high intake temp readings from sensor, it will pull ignition timing and reduce performance. So if its seeing colder air, it will run full timing advance.
A multiplier at light loads/rpm. Not a relocation
Does it also change the sound of the exhaust? Because I don't want to lose the pops when you roll off the throttle from the standard exhaust
Hello Campbell Zero One. I'm glad the product made the bike smoother but... As far as i know the bike has catalytic converter and has no reprogramming right? Any thoughts on taking the bike to the dyno? Just to demystify what really happened with the mixture air fuel... If it is richer or what is happening .. Thanks
Superb video CZ1. Brilliant. Thanks so much for posting Sir. Will do mine.
Is that a Drysdale key fob, Iv'e just bought a 790 that came from Drysdale!
Well spotted 😉
Hey can you tell me where ya got the little "fairing" or bug screen? Looks really good , Thanks in advance!
Thanks Karl. It's the official KTM Powerparts fly screen. Video: ua-cam.com/video/IcL-7fkyeF8/v-deo.html
Dam that looks fairly easy to fit, I was always put off buying one of these cause of tank removal nonsense etc. Good job.
It’s funny how subjective these things are. After having the latest map downloaded to my 790 in feb 2019. I found the engine characteristics so much better that I’m more than happy with the bike and don’t feel the need to add any fuelling changes.
Steve Martin when you had the latest map downloaded, what did that bring the Version Number to on the Dash?
Looks great . I have a 1090 and the low rev fuelling is aweful, Cuts out all the time if you fail to change down quick enough, ridiculous on a motor with so much torque. Has the booster improved this characheristic on the 790?
Nice video as always. Interesting to hear how it effects fuel consumption. Low rpm torque looks amazing! Does it work with stock filter also?
Hi Edward. Sorry for the mega delay getting back to you. But UA-cam doesn't always pass on any comments.
Yes, for sure the bike is more thirsty. Changing sprockets (one tooth off the front and adding one to the rear) hasn't helped, but this bike's for fun 😉
If I'm touring or going far I just swap from Track to Street which helps.
I just put the boosterplug on My 2020 superduke 1290 GT, It is smoother and instant throttle response is better. Easyer to do 3rd gear power wheelies. It still feels rough under 3 K. Now I am going to add the Rottweiler fueling dongles and see if it helps the low end. If a powercomander was avliable for a 2020 I would have that instead. I have a PCV on My 2015 SDR and it is insane and dangerous it almost jerks My arms out of the socket.
Thanks Busamaster, all good to know and helps with people's decision making.
Surely Powercommander can't be too far away from offering something for the 2020 model GT? You not fancy waiting just a tiny wee bit longer? 🤔😉😂
@@CampbellZeroOne My 2020GT is a turd compared to
I tried on on my 790 adventure and it actually made the low RPM running worse. It surges and hunts more below 3000 RPM than in stock condition. The reason I bought it was to cure that issue. I'm going the PV 5 route from Rottweiler. Dang I wanted it to work well being 1/3 the cost of the PC!
Just install am airfilter mod, the engine is curently drowning in fuel. What other mods do you have?
@@mrskitz338 Update: The bike seems to have adapted to the BP somehow with more riding. I did not think the ECU did that (maybe it doesn't?) but it does feel better over stock. I've plugged it in and unplugged it several times and run the bike for 50+ miles ea. time to compare, BP helps. As to the PC V, the stock street map does not affect the closed loop section as far as fuel changes (it can adjust ign. timing tho) so you still end up with the too lean EPA A/F ratio though it does improve the open loop area for more power. So unless you run an offroad map in a PC V with the O2 sensors unplugged it appears the BP is the best option to help the closed loop section.
DR Rider where did you run the probe on the adventure? I have no idea how to get it upfront. Any tips ?
@@DRFOX55 If you run it upfront you really need to pull off the tank to run under the top bridge part though you may be able to snake it through by some means and a lot of patience. The easy solution is to run it back to one of the air intake 'funnels' and zip tie it to the wiring harness with the probe right in front of the intake. That way as the engine draws in air it runs over the probe, which amounts to it sensing ambient air temp.
@@drrider1658 Inlet air temp, not "ambient air temp"
I just ordered the Booster and K&N filter, primarily form the info in your recording.
Does the air filter require oiling? If so, how far apart do you have to oil? (Under normal conditions)
Is it working as promised?
Been waiting for this video lol definitely looks smoother... are all the pops and crackles still there??
The pops and crackles come from the emissions systems, better known as the 'Secondary Air System' or 'SAS' and it is just a lean condition in the exhaust system. An properly tuned system with the SAS will still pop and crackly, but once the emissions are removed that tends to subside quite a bit. If it still does it when the emissions are removed, then you just have a lean bike.
Excellent.. Great new content!
Booster plug looks like a sound investment. Hope you're well and safe mate. 👍
Ps have you joined the KTM 790/890 Facebook group?
If not, it would be great to see you there sharing your content.. There's currently about 500 members and growing.
All the best, ride safe.. (When you can) 👍👍👍👍
Stewart
Hi Stewart. No, I've not been on any of the forums mate. Always a bit worried that I'll get a slating or that I'll be accused of pinching other people's ideas 😂 It's a nightmare doing this at times as people jump to the conclusion that you see yourself as some kind of an expert on this bike, when all I'm doing is a video diary on what it's like to own and run one.
Is it an international page?
@@CampbellZeroOne Hi Matey, hope you are well and safe.
It is indeed an international facebook group, I've found everyone on there to be genuinely lovely people, both guys and gals.. A couple are already youtube vloggers!! You have been mentioned on the forum in a positive manner I might add!! 😅 However I fully appreciate your point on certain people attacking good folks like yourself, who take the time and effort to share your experiences with them via "The Tube". Rest assured though bud, I'm sure many out there really enjoy your uploads, as I do! Keep it coming! Ride Safe. All the best Stewart 👍👍👍👍👍
Does the boosterplug affect the warrenty at all?
Sorry Duke. Only just spotted your question. I've had my one fitted on two service intervals without issue. If it's something that worries you it's literally a 15-20 min job to remove and leaves no trace.
Would this void warranty? Or would it have to be one of those little secrets? 🤫
Dik Tat Hi there. I'm guessing that it's best to cover yourself in this case and not take it to the dealership for any servicing while it's installed. It's only a 10 minute job once a year so no big deal.
I don't think KTM would actually have any real issues with it as it's not an ECU re-flash. It's basically just telling the bike to ignore the emissions settings that the EU have in place and which cause the bike to run a bit lumpy low down the rev range. You haven't tuned it for power. I'm sure KTM themselves would have preferred to do it and could do it, but have to comply with EU regs as a manufacturer.
After the bike is 3 years old I'll probably have to take out the Booster for its MOT (annual roadworthyness test in the UK) as emissions are tested as part of that.
Play it safe and don't make any incriminating videos about it 😉😂
@@CampbellZeroOne Hey thanks for the reply! Yeah, I figured it may be smart to remove before taking it to the dealer. Fortunately I don't have any emissions requirements where I live in Nevada. None of my vehicles have to get any sort of inspection, it's pretty great to be honest haha.
Hi CZO, Just wanted to check back in after a bit of time to see how the performance is holding up. Reading Rottweiler's post below left me a little bit confused just as I was about to hit the Send button on the purchase. Are you still happy with it? Anything to boost low down torque is a winner for me so am hoping it's still performing as well as you said on here (not at all bothered at all with top end). Any other observations over the elapsed time would be great as well. Cheers. Steve
Hi Steve. I'm waaaaay behind on this post. Your comment came through okay, but for some reason loads of others hadn't. It appears that I've kicked a hornets nest with this video. Rottweiler have been busy in the comments section, which I don't mind as I want everyone to get good honest advice and information and they are right up there in that department. They are a brand that I follow and respect so wouldn't dream of arguing with them.
My intention is to make truthful videos of my experiences as a 790 owner. I stand by my seat of the pants evaluation. Like you I wasn't looking for more bhp or top end and I don't really care how it works/gets the job done. I just wanted a smoother throttle response at the bottom end without having to travel hundreds of miles for a remap. I know that this hasn't been done on a rolling road, but the plug definitely does that. I will say though that my bike is an early '17 so maybe it has a different tune than newer 790s. I've asked Rottweiler if that's a possibility as the one they tested was a '19.
I know Codger Biker tried one on his newer 790 Adventure and didn't notice as much of a difference as I did. If your bike is a newer one then it might not be worth the bother to you. Again, it's down to your budget and what you hope to get out of it. If you look through the comments there were a couple of other options mentioned by people which you may want to consider if you don't feel it's worth going for the Booster after all of that.
Unfortunately we are still under lockdown conditions here, so I've only managed a couple of more sensible very short commutes since making this video. Hoping that changes in the next week or two so that I can get some miles covered and do a follow up video. I'm not on any of the forums, so any advice or suggestions usually gets to me through the comments section.
Thanks for getting in touch. Appreciate it 😉👍🏼
Hi Rob, Mine's May 2018. If it works for you then £100 or so, and it being plug and play, is a bargain for sure. I think I'll wait for your next review then if you're still happy I'll go for it.
Getting Metzeler RoadTec 01 SEs put on next week in anticipation of the Spanish or the French letting us in - fingers crossed.. There's nothing like twisties on (worn in) perfect new tyres.
Keep up the good work. Steve
Sorry, how long did they take to deliver from the US?
@@stevedavison7392 Sorry Steve, these comments still aren't coming through to me... Booster are located in Denmark and took about 5 days to get to me in the North East of Scotland.
I'm planning a video update to clear things up in the next few days weather permitting.
If it's any consolation, there's a no quibbles money back guarantee with the Booster. Codger Biker tried one on his 790 Adventure and sent it back after a month with no issues. But I'll cover that off on the update.
Tires make a massive difference to this bike. The best thing ever was getting rid of the original Maxxis and onto some good rubber. You'll have a great time on those roads 👍🏼
Thanks Rob
Very interesting video. Could I play the devils advocate here and suggest that this device may actually worsen the fuelling at higher revs and wide open throttle. If it works by kidding the ECU that it's a colder ambient temperature, then the extra richness would be across the whole map, surely? Most bikes don't suffer the lean conditions at high revs and big throttle, only down low and small throttle openings, hence this would make it run too rich at the top end, just my opinion. Has anyone checked the air/fuel ratio on a dyno, that would be interesting.
Can't say as I've noticed anything higher up astrostrotch. And with the engine character I generally don't feel the need to rev it out in any gear. May be something that would show up holding gears between corners on a track day though.
Another great vid and looks like the booster plug dose the business and it really is just plug and play👌
I think I remember you was looking for power part levers? I've got a set that's only done 800miles I've bought an 890 just waiting for delivery when ever that will be with all this shit going on but I would sell you them for 1/2price I'm in Aberdeen
Sorry Scott. Only taken a year, but I've just noticed your comment. How are you getting on with your 'R' ?
👋 how's it going
Yep super happy with the r ktm basically sorted all the issues with the 790 and added in some extra power and torque to boot
@@scottclark8658 Nice one. The suspension suit the roads around here? Not too firm?
The suspension is real plush not too firm and deals with bumps better than the 790 IMO
Get yourself to drysdales for a demo maybe make a vid too
@@scottclark8658 Don't think that'll be happening Scott. I'll explain it in a video soon. Nothing that Drysdales have done...
Why not put the temp sensor as close to the air inlet as possible, under the seat? That is the temp of the air entering the engine - it is not the correct temp placing the sensor out in the breeze - that's not an accurate location for true inlet air temps.
This is the advice given in the Booster Plug instruction/website. The whole point of it is to convince the bike that it is running cooler than it is.
Hi just wondering you've put in description the link to the booster plug.. is that where you purchased yours?? Did you pay the $160 if yes how long did it take to arrive thanks
Just caught your Portimao video. Good job.
I was there at this year's MotoGP race weekend and thought it looked like it would be amazing to ride. That last corner onto the straight and then trying to find a breaking marker at the end of it... 😬 Was it easy to learn?
@@CampbellZeroOne hi mate yeah it was amazing!!! 100% recommended.. I learned the track on a xbox game before I went which was the best thing to do.. its quite tricky and lots of blind corners.. the camera doesn't do the speed or the steepness of the rise and falls justice.. il be going again next year! Very well organised and hotel was spot on.. I've got hours of footage but not had chance to filter through it yet
@@youtubed9695 Yup. The elevation changes are what caught my eye. Looks a lot more fun than Silverstone or somewhere like that.
Was that the big hotel near the track that you stayed at or were you in town? Only takes around 25 mins to get there on the backroads. Mad drivers though 😂
Was getting the bike out there easy? That's what's putting me off if I'm being honest. Got nowhere nearby to drop off/pick up so would need to factor that in too.
@@CampbellZeroOne yeah there is a hotel at track but I was at the one next to the marina in town.. it was 26mins away and barely any traffic at all. The town was lovely too.. I dropped my bike off at Donnington Park but I'm only 30 mins from there. Some people paid a company to take their bike and strap it up..
@@youtubed9695 We stayed near the Marina too. Came in handy because the only place that you could pick up tickets was from the museum on the quayside. Great value for money Portugal isn't it.
Not so bad that you are close to a pick up point. Makes it less of an ordeal.
So did you get a crate with your bike to store your gear in?
Great sounds like money well spent .. what brand was the booster and was it recommended to change filter as well
Cheers mate
Boosterplug is a standalone brand Nigel. They did recommended a K&N but having tried the stock one also, I couldn't feel any difference.
Is the new K&N airfilter required when installing the booster guys?
So far as I know it's not essential Graham. I only put one in as I'd been told it improved the induction note and sounded better. Putting together a quick video just now about how the Booster feels to me with or without etc.
Campbell Zero One that’s great cheers mate 👍🏻
@@grahamrobinson9705 You're welcome 😉👍🏼
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Hi fella, thank you for your video. Just a bit of advise, you really need to invest in better audio, it was really muffled. Couldn't hardly hear a word you said. ''Really very poor''.
That's a really old vid mate. Turned out there was a broken wire in the mic so unfortunately it was only recording in mono and couldn't be saved. Also, I didn't want to fake my 'first time reaction' by shooting it again once I noticed during editing.
Very poor sound, I can't make out most of what you're saying.
The audio man .....
Handy video. Well done.
Sound quality is poor, picking up a lot of bike/wind noise.
booster plug are not good , remap ecu its ok and decatalised
Decat on order, but a remap isn't really practical at the moment where I live. No warranty to worry about now, so you never know 😉
I'm curious as to your reasoning why that booster plugs are not good? Any resources?