Good to see you incorporating other trades to keep it interesting. Nice work. Its rare and good to see fine details like this rather than just your standard finishings.
Every job I've ever done in California, certain residential ones aside, do include the screed. I think it looks better with it. I've never used black, though. Usually it's white.
I had a large project with these type of beads but the shadow gap was between the wall and ceiling. I stated of cleaning the plaster out but it spread to much in the bead. It was a sod to clean out. What i came up with was wiping Gt 85 inside the bead 1st, plaster as normal but let the plaster set hard. Then use a plastic small tool to scrap out the plaster it pops out easy. Then a quick wipe with wet wipes inside the bead. Works a treat.
The poor lad is rehashing content cos its the new year and he needs pennies and is scared hel need to go back to doing actual work instead of filming himself on the customers money while no doubt charging them a real tradesmans rate. Last I checked tradesmen don't stand around with a phone in their hand most of the day, they get on with the job and move on. Pisstaker
Did something similar on an attic conversation for a Feature window on gable end wall, plus working in as the room was never built to accommodate plastering ( not so switched on like yourself to video it 🙈 🤷♂️). Love a twist on the basics to create a new theme . Time consuming is the key point . Worth the effort if the customer gets the look finish they wanted 💪👍
Seems to be mixed views on it. I like it but not sure I'd go to all that trouble. Great to see you mate. Hope you all had a great Christmas. Bet it was loads more fun this year with the bab being a bit older. Have a great new year 🍻
Hi Tara…totally agree. I don’t think it’s worth the hassle to be honest but I like a traditional looking building. Hope you’re well and I hope you had an amazing Xmas. All the best 👌
I have a very similar job I’m in the process of. It’s my dads flat in port Solent. We’re still building at the moment but it’s nearly ready for plastering. I’ve got a bit of a thing for the finer details and convinced him to go for flush skirting and door linings. Almost every junction to the joinery has a reveal bead to finish it off nicely. It takes time but worth every penny in my eyes. Just need a decent plasterer to come and skim it all if your interested? All the beads will be fitted before hand. I prefer to cut them on the mitre saw rather than let the plasterer loose on them!
Sounds like a great project mate, fair play! They do look great, I’ll admit that. It’s a bit far to be honest but send the details over…I’m intrigued. My email address is: plasteringforbeginners@outlook.co.uk 👍👍👍
I did this detail in the Qantas first class lounge of the Canberra airport in 1996. Its more work than to the look is worth in my opinion and I wouldn't cross to road to do it again.
I first came across these beads in the 90’s Also used them around the doors to create shadow gap. If you think it was time consuming to set those beads up on board work then try using the mesh ones for float and setting! They took ages setting them up in bonding first making sure they were level, not to mention the cuts you made with the old school tin snips didn’t bend the bead. Glad I was on day rate back then as I’d know idea how to price it 😅
I've seen something similar in public buildings, but I'll bet the baseboard (skirting board) was specially made with a perforated lip to be used with tape & filled drywall, which is the predominant finish here in the 'states. It's kind of a cool look in a modern building and it also makes it easier to put furniture flat against the wall. I guess it's worth whatever work is involved if that look is important enough.
This is quite a common detail on commercial buildings, I've done it a couple of times doing the joinery, and you continue the detail around the doors, so there are no facings the door standards are normal hardwood to match the doors.
Nice one mate, that took me back to the late 80s when I worked for a plastering company doing a huge office building, the brief was to have a shadow gap around every room on every floor at hip height, I've never hated an architect so much!🤪😁all that insane work just for the sake of a feature 😮💨great vid though👍
Hello Blane I noticed you were using the ox speed skim. What size do you recommend? And do you use different sizes? Also will the ox one fit on a boom handle?
OK in a private detached home maybe. These shadow gaps invariably ruin the sound insulating performance of partitions and doorsets. In commercial work they'll design to a given sound insulation criteria, then the architect introduces shadow gaps. At best, the occupants have to deal with poor noise control, at worst they have to either fill the gaps or add another performance layer of plasterboard behind before the shadow gap layer.
I always say to customers, if it's the look you want then it's worth it. I mainly do kitchens and bathrooms. If it's a flip, dont waste your money on personal taste
Had to do loads of these over the years, wait til you have to do them down the stairs following the treads cos some flash architect has had an idea 🤦♂️
Done this detail on a big new build in Hornchurch about 15 years ago. The internal walls were all block work with no grounds for the skirting or architraves I’m a chippy by trade and the second fixing was an absolute nightmare, achieving a consistent shadow gap and scribing in to a badly laid screed floor. Never again !!!!!
I’ve been using and fitting style trims for years the process shown here is wrong it’s out of sequence the skirting goes on first or ceiling trim there’s many different extrusion shapes that can b used at all sorts of junctions at ceiling wall junctions bulkheads or around door frames all sorts of different applications but the one thing u always and must do is fit whatever the trim is supposed to butt up to first ( the Ali trims r quite pliable) that way u push the trim up to say the top of skirting or side of frame and then fix it and u won’t get the gaps between the two yeh scribing the way u did it I agree would b an absolute nightmare the other way round it’s not to much trouble
I can c why he called u in ( ur a great spread ) but a heads up for future reference the skirting should b fitted before the style trim ( been fitting this for years in London in commercial offices) that way u fit the style trim on top of the skirt (no gaps) Ull never get it bang on doing it the way shown here it’s like so many things in the building trade if u go out of sequence it causes problems I’m old school I’m all for staying in sequence
Hi mate! Thanks for watching. And I hear you…but Calvin wanted the house done first so he could move in. He’s going to do the skirting boards later down the line when his family’s settled in. But yeah…I doing think it’s going to be easy but hopefully it’s ok for him. Great hearing from you. Cheers 👍
@@PlasteringForBeginners I’m sure it will he’ll just b scribing the top of the skirt now to the underside of the trim take from an old hand at this thing it’s definitely easier doing it the other way round great vids though I’ve learned a lot about spreading from ur tutorials use guys make it look so easy but as I know to my expense it ain’t but I’m improving
Done this a lot on oak frame houses. Do it up to the oak on ceilings and walls. When the oak moves you still keep a great finish. Not sure it's that much work. 🤷🏽♂️ Trims come in all different colours.
No insulation inside of the walls? Building a house without experience will create a lot of problems in the future when he starts living over there ;) I guess the first problem will be on a soundproof test
Maybe the plasterboards were actually suitably parallel to the floor so that the skirting board could easily fit into position. Now by you cutting the plasterboards to your laser level the carpentry task will be to have to scribe all the skirting boards to suit this tapered gap. Another 4 day job for the poor house builder?
This was our initial question. But the plasterboard line was so out of square (and totally uneven), that we had to create a new line which was straight. We opted for level line. The floors were good because it was a new build so I think we made the right choice. But I must admit that there will be a bit of scribbing regardless.
Incorrect detail. It should be 2no plasterboards. 1no full length to floor 1no offset for skirting. Effectively created a fire risk and sound travel weak spot.
@@PlasteringForBeginners The architect shouldn't be specifying non standard details unless they are willing to stand over the performance of the outcome. It's just something to note and discuss with clients in the future with shadow gap details that there's 2no boards on either side required where it is used.
Good to see you incorporating other trades to keep it interesting. Nice work. Its rare and good to see fine details like this rather than just your standard finishings.
Thank you mate, I really appreciate that. All the best pal!
Every job I've ever done in California, certain residential ones aside, do include the screed. I think it looks better with it. I've never used black, though. Usually it's white.
I had a large project with these type of beads but the shadow gap was between the wall and ceiling. I stated of cleaning the plaster out but it spread to much in the bead. It was a sod to clean out. What i came up with was wiping Gt 85 inside the bead 1st, plaster as normal but let the plaster set hard. Then use a plastic small tool to scrap out the plaster it pops out easy. Then a quick wipe with wet wipes inside the bead. Works a treat.
C'MON man, shadow gaps......They have been around for decades.
The poor lad is rehashing content cos its the new year and he needs pennies and is scared hel need to go back to doing actual work instead of filming himself on the customers money while no doubt charging them a real tradesmans rate. Last I checked tradesmen don't stand around with a phone in their hand most of the day, they get on with the job and move on. Pisstaker
Did something similar on an attic conversation for a Feature window on gable end wall, plus working in as the room was never built to accommodate plastering ( not so switched on like yourself to video it 🙈 🤷♂️). Love a twist on the basics to create a new theme . Time consuming is the key point . Worth the effort if the customer gets the look finish they wanted 💪👍
Seems to be mixed views on it. I like it but not sure I'd go to all that trouble.
Great to see you mate. Hope you all had a great Christmas. Bet it was loads more fun this year with the bab being a bit older. Have a great new year 🍻
Hi Tara…totally agree. I don’t think it’s worth the hassle to be honest but I like a traditional looking building. Hope you’re well and I hope you had an amazing Xmas. All the best 👌
Having done it before ( not the plastering), I think it’s a time consuming way to create a dust trap.
Haha very good point 😂
Dust collects on skirting too tbf
How you and the family mate
Keeping up the good work
I see 🎉
All good here my friend. Hope you’re well and I hope you had a good holiday. Thanks again for watching 👌
I have a very similar job I’m in the process of. It’s my dads flat in port Solent. We’re still building at the moment but it’s nearly ready for plastering. I’ve got a bit of a thing for the finer details and convinced him to go for flush skirting and door linings. Almost every junction to the joinery has a reveal bead to finish it off nicely. It takes time but worth every penny in my eyes. Just need a decent plasterer to come and skim it all if your interested? All the beads will be fitted before hand. I prefer to cut them on the mitre saw rather than let the plasterer loose on them!
Sounds like a great project mate, fair play! They do look great, I’ll admit that. It’s a bit far to be honest but send the details over…I’m intrigued. My email address is:
plasteringforbeginners@outlook.co.uk
👍👍👍
I did a job similar to this with the skirting, was apprehensive at first but looks really nice after.
It does look good to be fair 👍
I did this detail in the Qantas first class lounge of the Canberra airport in 1996. Its more work than to the look is worth in my opinion and I wouldn't cross to road to do it again.
There’s a lot of work for such a simple feature. I agree with you there pal!
I first came across these beads in the 90’s Also used them around the doors to create shadow gap. If you think it was time consuming to set those beads up on board work then try using the mesh ones for float and setting! They took ages setting them up in bonding first making sure they were level, not to mention the cuts you made with the old school tin snips didn’t bend the bead. Glad I was on day rate back then as I’d know idea how to price it 😅
Christ that sounds mad mate - fair play to you for that one. It sounds like a nightmare ha! Thanks for watching…much appreciated 👍
Dang…. Is that about a 48” rod? Nice work
I've seen something similar in public buildings, but I'll bet the baseboard (skirting board) was specially made with a perforated lip to be used with tape & filled drywall, which is the predominant finish here in the 'states. It's kind of a cool look in a modern building and it also makes it easier to put furniture flat against the wall. I guess it's worth whatever work is involved if that look is important enough.
This is quite a common detail on commercial buildings, I've done it a couple of times doing the joinery, and you continue the detail around the doors, so there are no facings the door standards are normal hardwood to match the doors.
Interesting! To be fair I’m mainly a residential plasterer which is why I’ve probably not come across it 👍
Nice one mate, that took me back to the late 80s when I worked for a plastering company doing a huge office building, the brief was to have a shadow gap around every room on every floor at hip height, I've never hated an architect so much!🤪😁all that insane work just for the sake of a feature 😮💨great vid though👍
Haha oh mate, that subs awful! I’m not a fan of that lol! Hope you’re well and thanks for watching. All the best Eric
@@PlasteringForBeginners and you mate, Happy New year 🍾🎉👍
What van have you got
what kind of stops were them at the bottom of the wall?
Walk around law courts,government buildings and other places,shadow caps are pretty common features.
Interesting. I’ll keep an eye out for that…cheers pal!
He got the right man for the job.
Thank you 👍👍
Hello Blane
I noticed you were using the ox speed skim.
What size do you recommend?
And do you use different sizes?
Also will the ox one fit on a boom handle?
Looks the nuts when done right, hopefully he's doing architraves as well.
👍👍👍
That looks stunning - may have to pinch that idea. One question, was there LED's in the shadow gap?
Put the skirting on first and use packers to lift the gib while fixing it in place.
I suppose you could do it but he’s keeping it as it is.
no scrim hair cracks
Thought they’d died out. Worst thing is when they want them at ceiling level as well as skirting. They look nice but just gather dust
That sounds horrific…I’m not into that 😂
@@PlasteringForBeginners I've seen them about 7 feet up from the floor, for hanging pictures.
I have pebble dash Wall That I wish to render with a new render system. Can you please make a video? Francis
I’m doing a job at the moment and I’ve got 150 m of this to put on looks nice if you can get the boarding perfect 👌🏼
OK in a private detached home maybe. These shadow gaps invariably ruin the sound insulating performance of partitions and doorsets. In commercial work they'll design to a given sound insulation criteria, then the architect introduces shadow gaps. At best, the occupants have to deal with poor noise control, at worst they have to either fill the gaps or add another performance layer of plasterboard behind before the shadow gap layer.
Very interesting…That’s a very good point. Thanks for sharing 🤞
That was so useful, thanks
Do those beads have a specific name?
Yeah there called stop beads.
They’re called shadow gap beads, stop beads aren’t for this feature unless you want to see the studs and insulation in that gap
@@bricky5862 ok tnks.never heard of that before.
Exactly that Bricky58 👌
Surprised you haven’t done shadow gaps before. Been doing them for years, especially round door casings
I’m equally as surprised to be honest ha!
I always say to customers, if it's the look you want then it's worth it. I mainly do kitchens and bathrooms. If it's a flip, dont waste your money on personal taste
So true…totally agree with this one ☝️
Had to do loads of these over the years, wait til you have to do them down the stairs following the treads cos some flash architect has had an idea 🤦♂️
Haha that sounds scary!! Fair play to you 😂
Does it need to tape the joint before skimming?
No matey…it’s good to go!
A lot of people are not having architraves now I find myself beading up
Around doorframes with stop beads for features .
Each to their own…but I love a traditional looking arc and skirting to be honest
@@PlasteringForBeginners me too bud .😎
Crack line above the shadow bead?
I’ll be honest that was my main concern…week we’ll have to see how it ages
This felt a bit like that Grand Designs program
Good title 😉 Calvin sounds like me 🙌 has he got any social media accounts?
He has but he never posts ha! Thanks and well done in your channel 💪
common in the states currently.
That’s good to know! Thanks for the heads up mate
Done this detail on a big new build in Hornchurch about 15 years ago. The internal walls were all block work with no grounds for the skirting or architraves I’m a chippy by trade and the second fixing was an absolute nightmare, achieving a consistent shadow gap and scribing in to a badly laid screed floor. Never again !!!!!
Mate, that sounds like hell! I’m not envious for the second fix
I’ve been using and fitting style trims for years the process shown here is wrong it’s out of sequence the skirting goes on first or ceiling trim there’s many different extrusion shapes that can b used at all sorts of junctions at ceiling wall junctions bulkheads or around door frames all sorts of different applications but the one thing u always and must do is fit whatever the trim is supposed to butt up to first ( the Ali trims r quite pliable) that way u push the trim up to say the top of skirting or side of frame and then fix it and u won’t get the gaps between the two yeh scribing the way u did it I agree would b an absolute nightmare the other way round it’s not to much trouble
Seen shadow gaps in render work but never internal looks awesome
It’s a first for me too!
You’ve become an interviewer now 😀👍
Haha it’s my first time so excuse me if it’s a bit ropey 😂
I can c why he called u in ( ur a great spread ) but a heads up for future reference the skirting should b fitted before the style trim ( been fitting this for years in London in commercial offices) that way u fit the style trim on top of the skirt (no gaps) Ull never get it bang on doing it the way shown here it’s like so many things in the building trade if u go out of sequence it causes problems I’m old school I’m all for staying in sequence
Hi mate! Thanks for watching. And I hear you…but Calvin wanted the house done first so he could move in. He’s going to do the skirting boards later down the line when his family’s settled in. But yeah…I doing think it’s going to be easy but hopefully it’s ok for him.
Great hearing from you. Cheers 👍
@@PlasteringForBeginners I’m sure it will he’ll just b scribing the top of the skirt now to the underside of the trim take from an old hand at this thing it’s definitely easier doing it the other way round great vids though I’ve learned a lot about spreading from ur tutorials use guys make it look so easy but as I know to my expense it ain’t but I’m improving
Not sure what's the point. Traditional skirting has always looked good. Each to their own ofcourse.
Each to their own I suppose…but I do agree. I love the traditional look ☝️
Them cables need cutting or pushing into the cavity
I never see you trowelling up the corners only side to side
Done this a lot on oak frame houses. Do it up to the oak on ceilings and walls. When the oak moves you still keep a great finish. Not sure it's that much work. 🤷🏽♂️
Trims come in all different colours.
Fair enough mate…it makes sense in that scenario. Thanks for watching 👍
I'm surprised he didn't buy 'actual' Shadow-Beads - Strange ??
No insulation inside of the walls? Building a house without experience will create a lot of problems in the future when he starts living over there ;)
I guess the first problem will be on a soundproof test
Maybe the plasterboards were actually suitably parallel to the floor so that the skirting board could easily fit into position. Now by you cutting the plasterboards to your laser level the carpentry task will be to have to scribe all the skirting boards to suit this tapered gap. Another 4 day job for the poor house builder?
This was our initial question. But the plasterboard line was so out of square (and totally uneven), that we had to create a new line which was straight.
We opted for level line. The floors were good because it was a new build so I think we made the right choice. But I must admit that there will be a bit of scribbing regardless.
He can’t be a proper plasterer, he hasn’t filled the electrical boxes in!!! Genius at work though.
Has he made it out of pallets?
😆 noooo…I know what you mean but that’s just roof batten you can see
Yeah it’s just roof batten pal
Can you lose the music please. It only detracts from the otherwise awesome vid
Incorrect detail. It should be 2no plasterboards. 1no full length to floor 1no offset for skirting. Effectively created a fire risk and sound travel weak spot.
This was the architects specification - hopefully it goes well for Calvin, (the owner)
@@PlasteringForBeginners The architect shouldn't be specifying non standard details unless they are willing to stand over the performance of the outcome. It's just something to note and discuss with clients in the future with shadow gap details that there's 2no boards on either side required where it is used.
Erm...using a stop bead to stop plaster where you want it to stop...is a 'genius' idea? Dear oh dear. You need a dictionary, Shane. ;-)
I think you missed the point. It’s not the bead that genius…it’s what you’re doing with the beads that makes this idea amazing.