The $500 40K Army Challenge - How many factions can still be called AFFORDABLE?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- On this episode, Brad dragged Eric to record a surprise Bonus Episode! In this next hour, learn how many factions can turn $500 into a 2,000 point army. No need to do the research and price calculations yourself, as our hosts are experts in turning sleepless hours into a pleasant conversation about how many dollars you can spend on plastic toys.
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00:00 Rules of the Game
06:45 Chaos Daemons
08:43 Sisters of Battle
10:08 Orks
11:10 Drukhari
12:38 Leagues of Votann
15:10 Guard
16:25 Thousand Sons
17:00 Chaos Marines
17:10 Knights
19:55 Ad Mech
20:25 The Final Winners
21:06 First Winner
26:32 Second Winner
37:27 Third Winner
44:20 Fourth Winner
50:55 Conclusions and Discussion
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Quick reminder we recorded this last week before the point changes. Nothing WILD changed in these lists (Space Marines is now even harder to get to 2k, etc) but technically all Brad's exact numbers are off a bit either direction for points values starting next week. There's also some minor editing errors sprinkled throughout, but it's still a miracle there was time for this to get made in the first place. Please give our editor a round of applause for jamming this out over what was meant to be a break period!
I find it hilarious that the elite marines are cheaper and weaker.
I smell a further range update and an attempt to up sales on older kits.
If you want to do 2000 points every time for $500 USD?
Deathwing Terminator Army, Belial and 40 Terminators will set you back $509 ($60 a box and $29 for Belial). Technically you don't need the extra 5 terminators (or Belial). You can also do whatever loadouts you want, make all the characters. Make Belial & a Strikemaster I believe they're called now. You can just get 8 boxes for $480 USD then just convert Belial and the other terminators out of the models. 6x basic 5 man deathwing squads, with loadouts of your choice (or Knights as they're more expensive points wise). Then a 5 man command squad. Leaves you 5 terminators to make into an Apothecary, Champion, Ancient, and Belial + Strikemaster. Which will easily set you 2000-2100 points even with the points drops from the recent update they will do.
It's also not bad play wise as well as entire army is wound on 4+ only. Deep Strike re-rolls to hit, all 2+ 5++, objective secured, and some other nonsense Dark Angels get as base rules. Shame you guys missed them as it's the best way to price Marines to get to 2k.
Benefit is you don't HAVE to paint them bone as there are the easier to paint successor chapters too, and you have a low model count army of 41 models with quite a bit of poseable potential and uniqueness between each model as you can use the knight pieces to spice up some of the more basic terminators. With plenty of heavy weapon variant and being Deathwing can mix/match close combat and shooting squads in one.
Vanguard Detachment, take the Deathwing Strikeforce bonus so you get +3 CP as well. So at 2k games you get 15 CP before you start buying relics etc.
My only main gripe is that you can't get terminator chaplains on the website still as GW removed the old metal/resin one and they only released a limited edition one a few years back which is crazy expensive on the 2nd hand market. As DA's have special terminator chaplains which makes a great secondary HQ to Belial.
It’s unlikely you’ll see this but your wrong regarding death guard. 9 myphitic blight-haulers ($27*9) 3 blightlord terminator squads ($60*3) and Chosen of Mortarion ($65) is 2010pts on the table so long as you kit the Blightlord terminator to max and use the deathguard ‘champion’ as a deathguard chaos lord you have an army for $488! Using the MUNITORUM FIELD MANUAL 2022 MK II point values.
@@Zabzim I think 9 Blight-haulers is a bit much for me to not have it violate the Impulsor rule, but I'm still extremely impressed. I'll call that a win for DG.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast I understand your hesitation regarding MBH because no one actually uses them not since 9th Death Guard codex but if you can remember back in the beginning of 9th at 100pts each MBH were completely broken which is why GW dropped a an exterminatos level nerf on them upping their points to 140pts each but we have finally come full circle and they are back to 110pts now (which is what they should have been from the beginning) and with Arks of Omen changes I expect we might see a lot of mechanised imperial guard armies in which case we MBH will be very much needed not least because Belching Fumes Stratagem makes them extremely difficult to shifted (that’s the one that reduces the number all range attacks against them by 1).
When my friends convinced me to start Warhammer they told me it would be around $500 bucks to build a decent army. They forgot to mention that some armies are going to be a little more expensive than others.
Glory to the Omnissiah.
Oof
That's rough buddy.
Damn you got pulled into AdMech too. I regret much, however they look cool so it all works out.
Honestly, checkout the alternative model from stationforge (the scavanger) its one part with GW model, and you can have pack as cheap as 1€ per miniature, 2€ for elite 3 to 8 for HQ and heroes.. 15 to 20 bucks vehicles and even 50 bucks knights
Sure you won't be welcomed in official tournament I guess 🤷♂️
Same dude, I have now been collecting since summer of 2021 and still only on 1500 points of admech, using knight support
"Rhinos are free, they don't want you to know this"
I love it
I once saw a man who had an Ork Looted Trukk, which was 3 Rhinos stacked on top of eachother.
Now I understand. I feel enlightened.
The elites don’t want you to know this but the Rinos at the store are free. you can take them home. I have 458 Rinos.
@@ghillieguy52
You could make a fort with those!
Can’t currently get power in CA either depending on what street you live on.
@@SWProductions100 use a heat gun to make them into some terrain.
I used to have a friend a couple years back who had a collection of Rhino's.
He literally just went around conventions and clubs asking for Rhino's, usually got at least one or two. Also got some online by just asking guys who sold used Warhammer.
"Hey, i saw your listing for bikes, do you have any spare Rhino's i can just have?"
What did he do with these you ask? He built Ork terrain solely out of Rhino parts. I want to say that there were 19 or 20 Rhino's worth ripped apart and chopped up, it was probably more.
Everyone he showed it to loved it.
Pretty much all terrain pieces on the table were primarily Rhino panels, tracks, stacked gun walls...
And that's not even counting the shredded Rhino's he put on pretty much every model he had.
EDIT: And yes, half his army was Ork-converted Rhino's.
I knew that Rhino's were easy to come by, sure, but literally throwing them on a pile in the corner of your room is a level of stupid i had not considered possible.
In total i think he spent some 50$ on the lot of them.
I have no idea where that obsession came from.
He became known as the Rhino king, absolute shit-tier meme, but it was _glorious._
TL;DR: No seriously don't pay for Rhino's, go to any gathering of Warhammer players, and just ask. 50% chance you'll go home with a Rhino, if not contact info for your local Rhino dealer.
As a fellow ork player, your friend is an example for all of us. You can really use them for anything
I love how 500$ is considered affordable for a table top army
and it's not even an optimized army, literally the cheapest options
only in the warhammer hobby, not in the wargaming hobby
I only consider wargames that come out under $100 affordable. GW pricing is criminal.
@@XcessPain Take them to court
Cheaper than a set of golf clubs
"Games Workshop doesnt want you to know this, but the Rhinos at the game store are free.I have 37 Rhinos."
-Poonhammer
Too bad I live somewhere with no game stores at the moment, just as I've been restarting my collection from scratch..... ; _ ;
Rhinos are free?
Bit of a late comment, but in the old days of 7th you could make a battle company if you did this every unit that could take a rhino or razorback as a dedicated transport could get one for 0 points
As a Brit, I can confirm we are painting by candlelight, playing in ruined streets and bartering for models
It's the Age of Strife. When will Big E save Britain. Lol. 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
bit sad innit
That's Brexit for you
@@nickkowalski5209right, bc brexit affected a uk produced product, with a uk based company, that doesn’t use any resources imported from the eu….
@@ragnarokgaming7802How to tell they're not British without saying they're not British
Brad talks about Space Marines the same way that my old British teacher talked about French people lol
I am French and I both hate and love this comment 😂
I remember eons ago that White Dwarf had a challenge where four of the staff had to collect Warhammer Fantasy armies with what was the equivelant of average Kid's Allowance (pocket money in the UK) over the course several months. Long gone are those halycon days where a year's worth of a kid's pocket money would get you a decent army and paints.
Yep battle of the Four armies, white dwarf 218 it started. How I know this immediately yet can't remember my own mobile number is very sad.
I member! One of them played beast men. I had a subscription and kept going back to my local store to buy old back issues. The employees were like you want to go threw these boxes and collect these? Sure kid go crazy! I found all my back issues in the garage. The Armageddon issues are beat up.
@@the_lichemaster only rich kids are getting £50+ per month.
@Billy Shaw in the 90s I got a fiver a month 😄. One of my spoilt friends got a fiver a week.
@@the_lichemaster I also got £5 a week, this was from me being about 5 (2006) up to me being 16 (2017) where it stopped, outside of going out with my mates to buy some stuff once every few months the £5 a week got me very little by the end but at the start it was good.
You missed Tau: $80 a box means you can get 6 boxes, as a Vanguard detachment you can have the drones be 18 shield and 18 marker/gun (450 for drones) and then either 1 Crisis Commander + 17 Crisis (5/6/6) or go Farsight Enclave for double Commander and 16 Suits (5/5/6), if all geared as Fusion/Missile/Plasma you only need to include 1 Signature System and have the suits take Shield Gen to get 2000pt.
18 Suits isn’t optimised, but it also is completely valid playable build.
Wish someone told me this when I started Tau, lol. I wanted to do a mostly mech army and have ended up with what feels like infinite firecaste with railguns.
Where do you find 80$ combat patrols, no like seriously I need this info
@@gstellar96 I just looked into the prices, your right, where the fuck is he getting Tau for 80 bucks, even with the biggest discount I could find it was over 100
@@SatinFoxx I don't think my man is running Combat Patrols. He's running literally just Crisis teams. 6 drones in a box, 3 suits. So 6 boxes you can get 36 drones and 18 suits.
@@SatinFoxx Not Combat Patrols, just the regular Crisis suit boxes, heck you can go 5 boxes of Crisis and 2 boxes of regular Kroot so you have 3 x 10 Kroot squads and then it’s better balance for doing actions and the likes.
"You can get most armies under 500$ if you live in the uk you just can't get electricity" fucking savage dude XD that right there at the end earned you my sub!
He's out of line but he's right
@@chetmanley1885 I am in the UK and we don't have brown outs, unlike California, Texas, New York, Ohio and Michigan
@@grisnak1276 Im in the Uk too and have 0 idea what he was talking about with that.
@@adventurekobold energy bills in the UK have almost doubled over the last year and due to get worse. Last year the average household could have bought like 12 combat patrols and with their gas bill and still be paying less than this year.
@@loop_hole172 yeah the bills are huge right now but blackouts? It's just greedy shareholders we've had no issue with supply.
GW took your advice. They dropped the impulsor and raised the price of the combat patrol in the new revision....problem solved 😢
So, realistically, Grey Knights, Custodes, and Ultramarines because of Guilliman. As in, three different flavors of the Emperor's sons. Lovely.
you can do most armies if you build carefully e.g. wraith eldar is very cheap, warglaive knights etc. you just have to do a lot more back ground (making a large spreadsheet)
I mean Necrons.
How dare you call the custodes the emperor's "sons" ?? They are his companions !
@@CatroiOz that's how was created emperor's children 😂
@@CatroiOz do you see the future?
So in other words, buy a 3D printer and then mysteriously field a whole army of Knights, gotcha.
We'll be covering our love of 3D prints semi-regularly I'm sure. The biggest problem is figuring out how to present it in video since we don't even own cameras other than our phones.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast pictures, just take phone pictures of what your talking about currently!
A friend of mine has a 3-D printer and now we're both playing 40K. I like the nights he likes the necrons looks like we could have almost bought in. But $500 each is a lot to start for again I think
funny, I have a piece of a knight printing rn
Give a try. Tell us how it works. You still have to paint it
The main reason it used to be 0.99 in stores was so that the till would have to be activated to get change out, this would ring the till and let the store owner know when its been opened...the staff couldn't just pocket the money
Today I learned...
Outstanding gentlemen - you've just reminded me to buy a 3d printer
I'm halfway through printing an "imperial guard" army and it's delightful. I've still spent like $200 (AUD) on resin & STLs, but that's including fail-prints and 3d models I bought because they were cool and then haven't ended up using.
@@Ninjat126Where do you get good warhammer stls
@@zrampagegaming2674 usually, I find designers on sites like Cults3d and then purchase 3d model files from them.
Yea, you really quickly break even.
I'd love to see a version of this where you may the cheapest decent army you can for each faction, then list them off in dollar order. :)
I love how $500 is acceptable budget for unpainted, unassembled boardgame miniatures.
And a few of the faction doesn't even meet the criteria.
I'm new to the 50k universe and the prices sound silly. That's crazy ppl even buy this stuff, it encourages GW to charge even more. If I were to start collecting I'd just 3D print that shit.
This is why I think about playing WH40k, but only play Battletech.
@@akaroth7542 isn't Battletech super relaxed with tokens as well? Like "this coke can is an Annihilator stand-in and this British cab Model is representing a Mantichore" relaxed?
@@l0rf Pretty much yeah, it's even baked into the rules. But if you've got 500 USD to burn, then the average force pack that costs 25 times less can get you what amounts to a pre-built "army" ready to use right out of the box. Seriously, how many non-historical wargames can you actually jump into for anywhere between $20-35 USD? Actually, now that I think about it... even if you bought every unique force pack currently out (not counting the Mercenary packs) you would still have almost $100 (out of those previously mentioned $500) still left over and approximately 19-21 unique "armies" worth of mechs.
@@l0rf you literally only need the rules. Plus you can layer on additional rulesets aside from Mechs. You can add in vehicles of several types, infantry, battle-armored infantry, vtols, aircraft, and even spacecraft.
This being *american* MSRP really changes the outcome here. With the MSRP in Norway i was able to get a guard list built for just under 500 dollars. It wasn't even just an armoured one. Using two Cadian Combat Patrol and two Scions Start Collecting with two Russes (One as a TC), a deathstrike, and one additional Sentinel, i was able to get over 2k points.
I did try and see if i could use the fact that buying the Commisar set from FW is cheaper than buying three separate plastic ones but getting two from the Scions boxes made it unnecessary, however it would have been incredibly funny to have FW be what comes in clutch to get this list built for under 500.
GW just hates us Americans...
wait, where can you buy models here in Norway? I thought only option was to import and pay those drastic shipping fees
@@Brigtzen there is a Warhammer store is Oslo.
Additionally Outland has several physical locations in some major cities where Warhammer models are sold.
Lastly GameZone is a digital storefront which sells a variety of kits.
As for import fees it's just GWs shipping you need to pay for, if you get toll fee, just take a picture of the receipt and Email GW about it and they will refund you for it.
I'm in the UK (no power cuts so far :p) just had a look online for that Custodes list, all new from an online retailer with discount. Minus the Rhino the whole lot costs £230 which in freedom money is about $275. That gives a pretty large amount to spend on candles and batteries for flashlights. I'm so damn tempted to buy it as my first army.
EDIT interestingly the Grey Knights list x3 CP box is almost exactly the same £229.50 on the same store
What store was this mate?
This video inspired me to start a cheap custodes army to try out. Almost a year later Ive got a huge custodes army, with more models on their way, and cant wait to finish painting them. Thank you for showing me the cheap life (even if they are terrible at the moment)
Hey! Thanks so much for the shout out! Haha. Always lovely to see these interactions.
You always earn them. Keep up the crazy work!
As a T’au player this has piqued my interest in grey knights, it might be cool to go from an army that only plays in two phases of the game (mostly) to one that plays all 4x
That moment when you realize there is a charge and psychic phase is always fun. Can't wait for new farsight though.
@@michaeltrovato2614 to be fair, I do like to charge with farsight, his crisis body guard and my coldstar. I just have to be careful about my targets.
I guessed t'au were in the running.
@@PostProteusKitten with the old start collecting I think it might have been closer.
It's a fun swap. You get a bit more melee interaction, and psychic buffs are a fun addition. It just takes a bit of practice to get all the rules down.
I use different color flash cards to remind me what I'm doing with psychic or melee
This is hilarious, especially as a new player that wants to get into 40k and the prices being so daunting.
Honestly it isnt really this bad. You are just shooting yourself in the foot if you buy your models msrp, let alone new in general
It definitely isn't this bad if you collect them over time. Get one box on a sale, and by the time you assemble and paint it, order the next one you want.
I was able to split a starter box with a friend, that's a good affordable way to try it out and see if you'd be into it or not
Don't listen to the other 2 above me- that will also make you lose money, just get a 3d printer and call it a day. Entire armies will cost you 100$ for the resin and you will save QUITE the headache since all of these models are unpainted- so not alot would change if you bought the unpainted models or the 3d printer.
Except it will be your new full-time profession perfecting running your 3-D printer sourcing files supporting files and removing thousands and thousands of islands through thousands and thousands and thousands of frames… and removing them one by one. I have three 3-D printers and have been into the hobby for 3 years now and if you value your time at even a nickel an hour you can pay for the Warhammer armies and save untold amounts of time. Then again learning to assemble models and remove their imperfections, fill gap drill, gun barrels, and paint them to an acceptable level is a whole other profession on its own. Because I am insane I recommend doing both like me!
I have 3 impulsors and 20 hellblasters, I feel personally attacked by this episode 😂🤣
hellblasters are my first 40K kit 😬
Before I looked at the Codex, I randomly picked up a box of Reivers because the kit looked cool and Space Marine units are basically interchangeable, right..?
Just for the LOLs I actually bought a single Valdor model, got him a helmet and lance, and painted him as Kitten, the real captain general.
When you place the other Custodes troops on the table, does the Pillar Man theme play?
@@bificommander7472 Usually not... because I used to play Tau... and Kitten does not have the "Husbando" keyword to play him with Shadowsun. :p
@@NinjaEnShort THAT IS NOT FUCKING CANON! (I had to, you understand)
Get a custom shield captain, and two more of the tribune as the pillar men
o7
Daemons actually can get there pretty easily if you're willing to spam Slaanesh chariots. Which maybe is a little unorthodox, but seems like a lot of fun. One Khorne combat patrol, three Slaanesh daemons start collecting, two 120mm oval bases, and one Syll'Esske costs $499.40 MSRP, and gives you 2130 points pre-AoO changes, and 2010 points post-AoO, and fits in a legal list. Actually seems like a decent list too tbh, especially for contesting objectives.
Also arn't demons the best value faction if you want to play in multiple settings as demons are in all of them
@@benfisher961 yes and no. AoS has different armies for each chaos god, and while you can have ally from another army, it can never reach more than 25% of your unit count.
So you can play demons in both settings, but it's better doing so coming from AoS since you already have a headstart on building your 40k army.
My biggest tip, is if you're modelling-inclined, is to try your hand at scratch building your own vehicles. It's not for everyone, but it's possible (especially with using papercraft as your starting templates). I have a couple dozen tanks that (in materials cost), hit maybe the $200-250 mark. In GW plastic that would easily run you closer to the $1k range.
For your models, honestly just find someone with a resin printer, a sheet or two of n/fep film, and ask/offer to buy a couple bottles of resin and a case of beer or something. I know that'd get me saying "yeah sure". Keep in mind that the nfep is the "consumable" part that'll need replacing, as well as a few dozen figures taking a up to a litre to print, along with the effort of washing/curing everything for you.
Basically, mind your manners. A bottle of resin, a sheet or two of nfep (ask what they use first), and a case of beer is going to cost you maybe $100. In turn, you're not spending upwards of $500+ on those same miniatures.
Do put some of those savings into a good foam case for the things though, resin tends to be brittle, and thin stuff loves snapping.
57:52 Actually Genestealer Cults CAN just barely be done, until the points changes that are about to come out anyways. 2x combat patrol, 1x broodcoven, and 2x aberrants gives you 1996 points with I think 50$ to spare. (this would require you to take three patrol detachments to use all three magus, but you could buy almost anything with the spare 50$ to get around that, like an abominant to buff your 20 aberrants)
Edit: I forgot about the proficient planning upgrades which gives you more wiggle room for options like replacing some of the aberrants with genestealers.
One year later: this is now $480 and gives you 1720 points. 10th edition is a cruel mistress.
I’m more and more glad I stacked a lifetime of Warhammer models back in 2019ish. I spent $95 on a Canis Rex back then and thought it was too much.
In the same boat I have enough minis and armies to last me a life time at my pace so I haven’t bought anything in over 2 years give or take.
Don't worry, in 5-10 years it'll all be obsolete just like the rest of us.~
Man when I started in oldhammer you could buy a box of 20 modles with a movement tray for 30$
My daemonettes from 3rd edition re-sell for more than I bought them for. Obviously this isn't the case for every model, but it's a collectable game and you can re-sell.
The pricing is what has mostly kept me out of buying a Imperial Guard Army recently. It still kinda expensive when I was a kid in 2008… but it’s much worse now. I can get metal miniatures from other companies for much cheaper than GWs plastics.
The secret ingredient is Proxy models. I haven't met anyone who actually cares that I use proxy models for my guard, I can spend over $600 for 120 Guardsmen or I can spend $120 for 120 from War games Atlantic.
I've been buying old metal catachans for as cheap as possible. Typically less than 2 bucks a model.
@@vxicepickxv dang I didn’t even know those were out there. I may have to get a few
Being new in this hobby, I REALLY loved this video for being really enjoyable and fun, but also taught me a lot!
Dont play 40k and dont know how I ended up here, but you two are really fun to listen to. Looking forward to checking out the rest of your videos.
You don't have to play 40k to love 40k. Tons of great books if you like grim dark lore.
Another thing that wasn't brought up but is something I have discussed with my playgroup after I bought one. The gladiator kit is literally an impulsor kit with extra bits to make the gladiator parts and it's only like five bucks more or something then the impulsor and it's just like an extra sprue or two tossed in the box. 80$ vs 85$ as of now. If half of these boxes just gave you a gladiator kit in there so a second could be made as that rather than an impulsor it would be so much better. Really I think it should be like the rhino / razorback where they just quit making the impulsor and only make the gladiator as a dual kit.
We had a 15 minute discussion during the editing phase when the editor asked about using the Impulsor to build other vehicles. I expect we'll be making a video about "lifehacks" for buying models without wasting money inefficiently at some point soon.
There's a couple other things I thought about that I take for granted with my knowledge that casual newer players/modellers may not know without research.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast It's more for Heresy but fairly sure you can probably just stick an empty paint pot to the front of a Land Raider Spartan and call it a Typhon. The plastic Typhon will probs retail for about the same as a Spartan anyway, BUT because of the Age Of Darkness boxed set there's brand new Spartans on ebay for like, £40.
this is the second video I've listened too. I'm having lots of fun! thank you for making these.
After some quick noodling, I was able to get Ynnari to 1820 Points for exactly $500 MSRP and Aeldari to 1945 points for $495USD.
For Ynnari if you spend $320 on the Aeldari and Drukhari Combat Patrols, $40 on Yvraine and $55 on The Yncarne, $40 on a Voidreaver and $45 on a Warwalker. You have to build/kitbash the Farseer as Eldrad Ulthran, your Archon as Prince Yriel or The Visarch or someone else more point heavy than an Archon, and you have to make an extra Kaballite Warrior squad off the models you get with the boats - but you get pretty close.
It's not an amazing list, but it's pretty close to 2000 points, and it feels like it'd synergize well enough with The Yncarne. If $500 was the budget and you were able to use eBay or Amazon and get the discounts, you could easily save the $30-50 needed to buy Wraithguard or Wraithblades to get it to almost exactly 2000 points at $500USD
For Aeldari, it's a bit tricky. You get Yncarne for $55, and then you get 2 Combat Patrols and 2 Squads of Wraithguard for 380 Points for $120. Build one Combat Patrol normal except you make the Farseer into Eldrad Ulthran, and on the other Patrol, you turn your 4th squad of 3 Windriders into 1 Farseer Skyrunner, a Warlock Skyrunner, and a Voidreaver using the spare pieces you get from the rest of the combat patrols (Guardian Squads are great for kitbashing, and all these jetbikes are the same base model).
You end up with 9 Windriders, but that's the worst thing, the rest of it is pretty unrepetitive, especially since Guardians can be built two ways, Wraithlords can be built differently (or have 1 be a Wraithseer), and you get a fair amount of commanders, infantry, and vehicles
This is the one Warhammer channel I actually try to keep up with all uploads. You guys are great.
Reminder everyone: This is USD MSRP, if you're in Europe the equivalent budget is MUCH easier and way more armies are doable (your exact currency depending)
Edit: The CSM one was Shadowspear Monopose so it loses some value unless you want those exact loadouts.
Yeah thanks for this comment, I live in the EU and was thinking ... I am sure I can make more armies work than shown here. A bit sad that prices for GW vary according to where you live. I guess if you live in New Zealand or Australia then you can build no armies for 500$ MSRP ;)
The Custodies army he put togther would cost you $410 (£340) if you bought if in the UK direct from GW, at the current exchange rate.
The current CSM one is not Shadowspear, Shadowspear was the Start Collecting and was actually far better than the Combat Patrol. It had something like 700-800 points in it already, absolutely insane value for what it was.
On the opposite end. RIP to our Australian hobbyists getting wrung out for every single plastic note in their pockets.
Yeah i live in Norway where 40k is even cheaper than UK, like, cheap enough that i dont really feel bad building a krieg guard army at MSRP, and i was kinda suprised that so few armies made it in here before i remembered how expensive US prices are.
This was fascinating to listen to! Im so happy to get this deep into the meta of collecting and balancing thanks to yall!
this video is genuinely useful to me, i've been wanting to get both a custodes army and a grey knights army. this video thought me more or less how im gonna do so. thank you.
I live in New Zealand (And for context, in store warhammer prices here are the worst in the world, it’s marked up by like 50% it’s disgusting) and watching this video reminded me that my 1000 point F tier dumpster fire list, is more expensive money wise than most 2000 point lists in other countries. Amazing video though, interesting as all hell and a great watch.
man, everything in NZ is marked up into hell
Yeah I'm a kiwi as well and just trying to get into warhammer, the prices bring a tear to my eye.
I really feel sorry for you guys! Check out the prices in Poland, most combat Patrols cost around 350 PLN there, which is 125 NZ$. Since Poland has 23% Vat and NZ only 15% it'll be between 115 and 120 NZ$. I would suggest to NZ that you leave the commonwealth and join the EU for gaming purposes.
@@BSJDynasty I'm pretty sure the commonwealth isn't making it more expensive and the EU won't make it cheaper. sad days in NZ.
How is the independent retailer pricing in NZ compared to GW ?
For space Marines I feel you could have used the Horus heresy starter set.
My friend and i did that for our chapters such a great way to start
if you consider that box it boosts space marines to #1 for cost efficiency
You mean the Age of Darkness box? Yeah, I guess if you split it in two, the cost is similar to a combat patrol
Another tip for Grey Knights: You can magnetize the backpacks and make one strike/interceptor unit.
I'm really glad I found this channel. It's been a blast going through old podcasts.
When i got into 40k i bought the admech combat patrol and the guy at the store told me that it basicly was an army i could start playing games with. I love all the units in the box, but i needed a few more for it to even count as 500 points.
Ouch. Maybe he was dumping things he couldn't sell on the newbs.
Nice one! Comment for the comment throne (algorithm).
I find it quite ridiculous that the elite factions are the cheapest, but it makes sense since they have fewer units for more points, still a bit bonkers in terms of immersion.
It is kind of funny to remember how Space Marines are actually supposed to be a rare sight for many people in the Imperium.
@@SWProductions100 yeah and if that is the case, what about Custodes?!?!
what a great show, stumbled on your guys yesterday have really enjoyed it, was involved in 40k in 4th edition and looking to get involved again and you have me excited to build something!
As someone who enjoys Warhammer as a franchise but not a tabletop game (I just haven’t tried it) it is wonderful to get a gauge on pricing! Great video.
Necrons is even easier using the good ol’ imperium magazine. The royal court cost me £10!!! It was a f’ing steal ❤
I was excited to hear about Guard (the box cadia stands, was about 2 points max per dollar). Glad you talked about it!
does shoplifting count
In Cali or NY yes.
Awesome video, found this channel from this video in my recs, LOVE it.
You guys make great content. The chaos demon codex dissection was really great. Keep it up!
This is a great breakdown for my friend who wants to get into custodes, love the work guys
How tf have I never found this channel before. Great video, great editing, great content. Loved all the subtle memes like the "Rhinos are free, they don't want you to know this" LMAO
Instant sub
This was a very enjoyable episode, thank you!
I still remember when I started first collecting warhammer, you got a Space Marine Squad made of Zin for around 10 "Deutsche Mark" which translates to , if you believe the German government, to 5 Euros or if you believe your bank account and the prices in stores the day after the change, 20 Euros.
@5:15 "Owning two Impulsors kinda sucks."
Me, assembling my second Impulsor while listening to the video: *surprised Pikachu face *
...That's not a joke, either. That's literally what I'm doing right now. I bought one of those Combat Patrol boxes for myself, and someone else got me one for Christmas. The plus side is I got extra Suppressors and Eliminators out of the deal, so I wasn't too broken up about it.
Having two Impulsors isn’t so bad if one was free.
@@Edude117 It actually worked out pretty well. I was rushing to finish the thing so I could fight a rematch against my cousin's Tzeenchian Daemons earlier today. I got roflstomped last time when he focused on wiping out my melee specialists in his first couple of psychic phases before they could do much. Since they ignore AP, Daemons are stupid hard to take down at range, so he wound up tabling me in the fourth round. It didn't help that we were playing by the now-outdated rules that allowed his Flamers to auto-hit all their attacks.
Anyway, I put those Impulsors together so I could load the two of them up with 9 Bladeguard, 1 Primaris Captain, 1 Primaris Chaplain and a Judiciar. Second round, I unloaded them all right into his Lord of Change's face and brought the bird down in one charge. Then they gave his Pink Horrors the murder-blender treatment. My White Consuls took righteous vengeance for their earlier defeat, and it was glorious!
@@rmartinson19 This channel does have some bad takes, but I think that is just because of how they like to play and/or over emphasizing current meta.
First off, nothing wrong with 2 Impulsors. They cost a bit too many points but w/e, so does the entire Astartes army. Mostly people just hate it because it's not the Rhino, it's replacing the Rhino, and Primaris units arbitrarily can't ride in the Rhino. The concept and execution of a 'hover-Rhino' is just fine.
Second, the meta massively changes like 4+ times a year and everything inevitably becomes good for a while. Eventually Impulsors will get buffed and be viable, and all the people who bitched and moaned about it will look real stupid as they get caught red-handed buying their 2nd or 3rd or 4th Impulsor kit.
Third, hover vehicles are cool. Anyone who disagrees? Fuck'em. ;D
Really enjoy y’all’s content and you make me laugh quite hard a few times an episode. Great content keep it up!
I've taken this video as a personal kitbashing / proxy challenge when it comes to starting my second army (Craftworld Eldar). Lots of corsairs from the boarding patrol will be turned into poorhammer aspect warriors. It's going to be great.
First time watcher. Made me laugh out loud and made my wife ask me what I was watching, so I got to relay some 40k humor. I don’t play but I’ve lived the game world and idea since Rogue Trader, when I did play on squad level. Commenting to help the algorithm. You guys are fun and very helpful… I won’t be playing 40k at these price points. For 500 bucks I can get that new Jammie portable guitar and learn to djent again. But I’ll watch your content and drool over armies I won’t spend that kind of money on. Huzzah! Keep up the good work.
I'm glad I found this channel yesterday, really enjoying the content ❤
Nice, detailed, work. This is the first 40K video I watched in years.
This was incredibly entertaining, and a wonderful introduction to your channel!
Quality content. Wasnt expecting some of the results
Amazing video. Only thing I would note is that they didn't forget the blood throne in the demons combat patrol. The unit on foot has a different sculpt to the one that rides the vehicle, probably because the blood throne still hasn't been updated, while the one on foot is fairly new. They're two different sprues.
Love the dynamic between the two of yall. Good shit!
I've been on a Warhammer kick lately and this video dropped into my recommended feed. It's a lot of fun, I appreciated the insight into army-building--both figurative (gathering workable units for an army) and literal (the actual "build a model kit" part). I've always heard that Warhammer's prices are nuts and its disheartening to see the math in cold, hard numbers. But also, I can see why people are so passionate about this. You guys are alright.
oh man the channel is growing fast , like 700 people in the last 2 days , thats pretty respectabel , keep up the great work :)
It's kinda unbelievable every time I stop by to check on the new video and see the numbers... Thanks so much to everyone who's helping!
Thanks for doing the hard work, that was quite interesting
First time watching but your channel is hilarious and informative. Subscribed to you and One Last Blade. You guys are awesome. Keep it up and thanks.
Idk why but I LOVE thus episode! I've watched it like a dozen times!
So I have a few comments because personally I thought the count of armies would be higher until Ive seen some of the US prices. Not too long ago I started Chaos Knights and I got there with 400... Euro. Some of the pricing is pretty insane. The Votann stuff really caught me off-guard. Like 80$ sagitarius which is a 50€ kit, all the elite options being 60$ MSRP. Even after conversion you pay like 25% on top of everything. And at least here in germany it is pretty common to get like 10% discount on things. 8 Baby Knights and 2 Big Knights which is far more Points, if ordered through an online-retail LGS is 440€ - Free shipping - Tax included. Your Grey Knights Buylist is straight up 400€ MSRP, after conversion 428$
Yeah USD conversion on prices and obviously shipping and tax and tariffs and stuff they definitely use to squeeze out a lot of extra money too than just covering those costs. If you want to have a real heart attack look at New Zealand and Australia prices those are just criminal.
It’s cheaper to buy a 3D printer
@@xanderlaskey2753 This is true but if you just say 'buy a 3D printer' then that invalidates the point of this whole video. Besides, some people don't want to go through all of the hassle with supporting models, slicing them and then praying that your prints don't fail for a year until you get it right. They're missing out - I saved £30 on a squad of rubrics last week by printing some free files - but it is definitely a hassle
I'm a newbie and watched this episode like 5 times.
Very entertaining. Please keep it up.
For Cavill boomers, might be a good idea to have
- Cheapest (while fairly good list) 2000 pts for each faction
- How good can each faction gets with 2x combat patrol++
This video really put some stuff in perspective. You would think that more people would play Custodes and Grey Knights since you get more points per buck, but the lore really sells the minis for you.
If I spend 500 dollars, I don't mind spending 600 dollars on army I like instead of one being forced into.
So custodians fall off. I actually like grey knights but being heavy psycher feels intimidating. So people end up on their 3d choice I guess
Loved it. ICh have stopped playing years and years ago but somehow this gave me an itch to start again. Which makes total sense :D
Hello! I watched this video and loved it! I am a ork player and there is a way to hit 2k in only 410 MSRP from the Warhammer store. The list is stupid but still playable and totals 2020 points. 2 Stompas, being $130 for 705 points each, then the ork combat patrol which allows for that final 600 points. With the extra $90 you can get any ork kit really and also be able to run an Arks of Omen
thing is, in the uk knights cost £105 (about $110 ), and wardogs/armigers cost £55 (about $60), so it could probably be done over here
edit: also 10nth ed rules mean 1 knight can be 500pts and that can be done 4 times if you only want the big bois
Solid video, solid channel. So excited to get into this hobby, man
Fun stuff guys! Love the podcast and your vibe togrther!
Hey guys, I’m somewhat of a recently new player within the past few years, I started because my best friend really wanted to play needed somebody to play with. I went with imperial guard, I was already into the lore, and I kind of like the aesthetic luckily, around that time they were releasing these little half squad cadian packs for 5 minis for like $8 USD. They were the snap together, kind of like those small Limited addition collectible marines. After doing the mass, I realize that the units cost me half a piece as compared to if I paid full price for the regular squad box. Ended up deciding to buy what must’ve been six or seven of those packs to get my platoon started. Eventually, I added on things like set an a walkers and troop carriers. It’s the main reason I did it is because even though I’ve been playing dungeons and dragons miniatures for a few years, I knew that I was out of practice painting and these guys would be in and out of boxes of a lot, so I kept it simple until I got more funds and time.
Great stuff, would be good to see this done again almost a year later. Hadn’t realised the US prices were so much higher as I’m in the UK- don’t remember any of these apparent rolling blackouts though 😂
Wonderful vid, thanks a lot!!
Got into WH back in 87, never had money for models so we used counters we printed on a plotter. When I finally bought a real 2000 pt Tzeentch demon army, I remember it was less than $200 for the whole thing in the late 90s. Yes it was very few models, and yes $200 could just buy more back then, and it was a surprisingly competitive army.
Love this channel
All of them, if you write down the unit’s names on little paper squares instead of using figurines
Most of them, if you get a bunch of green army men to act as your figurines and spray-paint them different colors for different factions
Now you're thinking!!!
Great video fellas, this was really interesting!
I can’t believe you guys only have 12.5k subscribers you are so entertaining good luck on your journey
This video made me feel both good and bad about life choices. I guess it's time to start building a new army of Ravenguard.
Yeah I really don’t want to think about how much money I’ve spent on models. Very depressing, even if they’re fun to build and paint
@@timunderbakke8756 please people don,t feel bad, you have a hobby and you have fun.. all hobbies are pricey..
i was happy i got this hobby when the L-downs started 3 years ago..(and a nice technic lego kit don,t hurt either)😊
@@redsampler2017 I also started in 2020, with Indomitus. I’ve got a pretty healthy primaris marine collection going and then I found my true calling in 40k, Thousand Sons. I still need more rubrics (only have 3 kits) and I might need some more scarabs since I only have 2 units of 5. I’ve got enough I can play a few basic builds (mainly Magnus yes or Magnus no), but figure I need to round them out.
This will just help me remember the cost of another new army and never do it. I compromised and had a friend in our playgroup print me some OPR minis to serve as Tzeentch daemon proxies because that’s an option for the Sons now and I just dislike the horrors from GW.
@@timunderbakke8756 well i didn,t started in 2020 i started in april 2004.
what i ment to say that i was glad i had my hobby on hand when everyone was bored out of their minds even with the nightclock L-downs we got here, besides for work to me it was just another tuesday..
that is a great collection you got there,
i see no shame in ''adding some stuff'' with a 3d printer..
it adds to the hobby as well as plasticcard and greenstuff does as well as buying other brands of modelling kits and proxy those..
yet i can,t see myself printing out whole armies in the future neither
@@redsampler2017 oh, it was a compromise because it sort of crossed the line to another army even if it’s intent is only for allied detachment. The reason for the prints is primarily because the official models for that line (Tzeentch daemons) don’t excite me.
My misunderstanding on your earlier comment thinking you started in 2020. 🙂
You can do this with space wolfs as well the blood claw box is 15 for $55.
Great episode, actually really interesting to consider this type of stuff!
Nice bit of background while painting a grey knight! Nice coincidence that they came up specifically. Earned a new sub
Also Im british so this has been delivered to the town computer with carrier pigeon
I decided to take a look at this challenge & use the Age of Darkness box from Heresy as a starting point. You can get there pretty cleanly with that box, the only real issue is that the Spartan isn't very good. I'd argue that it's serviceable, but still not great. I made two lists, a shooty one, and a melee list. Neither one will win you a tournament, but they'll be an okay 2000pts to bring to game night. I decided to go all firstborn, for the flavor of the list, but your could do some tweaks to it to add the newer (and admittedly somewhat better in game) Primaris stuff.
The shooting list has got a fair number of bodies, the drop pods & Spartan give you a bit of board control/mobility, and good damage with loads of multi-melta & lascannon shots. I got it to 2000pts, and still had plenty of Tactical Marine bodies unused.
My shopping list was:
Age of Darkness Box - $299
Heavy Weapons Upgrade Set - Heavy Flamers, Multi-meltas, Plasma Cannons - $42 (this is mostly just for the Multi-Meltas to make Devastators)
Contemptor Dreadnought - $60
Drop Pod - $50
Techmarine with Servitors -$47
Total - $498
For the melee list, we're going with Blood Angels, mostly because I love them, but also because Death Company Marines are in a box of 5 for $42. Its fast & the Sanguinary Priest helps with early damage, and can extend the lifespan of your terminators. There's less shooting, but the Spartan & Contemptor aren't totally ignorable for most armies & you get a fair number of Inferno Pistols in these boxes as well. Once you're in melee, you should have plenty of thunder hammers & power fists to work with. After building your VanVets & Death Company, you'll have enough leftover chainswords & bolt pistols to make some assault marines.
The Shopping list was:
Age of Darkness Box - $299
Sanguinary Priest - $35
Vanguard Veteran Squad - $55
Death Company x2 - $84
Space Marine Jump Packs x3 - $26.25 (you'll put 3 of these on your characters, the rest go to assault marines)
Total - $499.25
I think there's probably some Terminator heavy lists, not using the AoD box, that you could also build around the Horus Heresy Terminator which alone are about 3.9 points per dollar.
You could improve the shooty list by cutting the drop pod, replacing the techmarine with a primaris techmarine, and getting another contemptor. I had forgotten about how Strategic Reserves have changed, so the drop pod is less necessary.
Also of note, you could make a non-Blood Angels assault list by cutting the Sanguinary Priest & Death Company, and going up 2 more boxes of Vanguard Vets & 1 more pack of Jump Packs & still be within the budget
Honestly surprised that knights didn’t make it I thought itd be there but eh at least it’s a big close. On a side note yeah whoever priced LoV vehicles should be beaten with a few lead clubs for making the Sagitaur like $65 for a kit that contains only 1 Sagitaur
Video came across my feed and excellent stuff. I play one page rules but own second hand grey knights. Very interesting look into that world for me.
I love that the timing for this was "3 months before a new edition." I had also just started my first army when this video dropped, had no idea about the new edition coming, and my friend had to warn me of the upcoming edition before I dumped a bunch of cash on one of these armies lol
First as a player on a budget, love this format, second I wonder how the strikeforce boxes change it with the 210 dollar boxes
the best way to play on a budget is vtts
Oh yes, I used Battle Scribe to make a list for the custodes box and was coming up with a minimum 1375 points for $210.
Rhinos are free lol
wanting to get back into 40k and this was a perfect video for prices after all the 2020 price jumps, so thank you. i thought tau would make it somewhere on the list but glad custodies beat knights.
Solid work here, very enlightening