I think it is Twitch killing Twitch, because they have shown themselves to have a double standard when it comes to their site, and have treated a lot of streamers unfairly.
If you think youtube will be any different, you're VERY naive. This isn't a twitch issue, this is an industry issue presented by the inherent need to collect ad revenue. It's a fine line between appeasing advertisers "moral" standards and not giving a shit because there's a massive enough audience able to see that ad. UA-cam doesn't have this issue because they don't put ads on youtube streams. They're attempting to take down twitch by creating a streaming money pit backed by BILLIONS in youtube video ads that they CAN advertise on.
@@CottidaeSEA I agree with that. I mean this in the fairest possible way, but "hot" streamers ruined things. They made twitch another thirst trap rather than interesting gaming being the focus.
I like it when streamers move from Twitch to UA-cam, because I can easily rewind streams and block ads here. Also, some streamers upload interesting videos in addition to their streaming content. Everything's just better. I don't use Twitch at the moment, but I still want it to survive and thrive. UA-cam needs the competition.
I completely agree, it’s much easier to view content you’ve missed on a UA-cam stream and we can block ads for now. Ads will be coming back sadly as google is removing support for ad blockers soon
It’s always funny to hear Asmon pause the video and give a solid take, then Ludwig 2 min later gives the same take. Just solidifies the take even more tbh.
I've used twitch more than UA-cam since 2015. That ended this year. I haven't been on twitch in months and it honestly feels great. UA-cam lost many battles, but will win the war a lot easier than I ever thought. Twitch defeated themselves.
i mean youtube is not home for content creators really its just a mix of random groups, orgs or even individuals doing the shit they like even tho youtube is having issues wither policy causing their youtubers a mess
UA-cam would easily win if they even tried but currently its hard to even find livestreams for casual youtube user unless you follow the people streaming in the site, hence the discoverability seems absolute dog shit. Not really convinced they know what they are doing, I would gladly watch live streams in the site but site itself doesn't really do good job being live streaming platform which is probably biggest reason more people aren't moving to youtube.
Doubt it. Unless youtube would actually give him a contract for a certain amount of annual payout to cover the setback of revenue loss from moving over. The truth is, i do like the youtube stream player better. It's much more user-friendly, you can pause, and rewind without any issues, but this is not a streaming platform in any sense shape or form, the interface for it is just godawful. I'd basically be forced to create another youtube account just to keep up with streamers, because their feeds would get stomped way, way down the list among all the regular subscriptions i have right now. On twitch i can easily see who is online, what are they doing. I can bring up the account and it's vods with ease. Besides, just like many others, i don't actually watch streams, i play them in background while doing my own thing. I might visually tune in during some cool interviews or whatever, but 90% of the time i have the stream running in background. So for a lack of a better description, twitch is far better for background radio than youtube, unless you want to play back a custom playlist of songs.
Anything that's good on twitch will land on UA-cam. Plus I don't have to wait for a 1 min ad just to see what the streamer is actually doing. I feel like people don't want to leave because they have their curated audience and not sure if they will follow them over to youtube.
They are doing it even worse now. You get a 10 minute chain of adds in the middle of the gameplay. About a month ago on Nickmercs stream thats what happened and I just left and never came back.
The primary reason I don't use twitch is that I can't skip the ads and I absolutely hate ads, the mobile app is not as good as UA-cam, and the lack of VOD or reversing video. Those things kill the experience for me so I rarely use it.
The one thing I love about youtube streams is that I can go back and rewatch something I missed by just clicking on the red bar. You can basically rewind and then fast forward with one click. On twitch, you need to either watch a clip someone made of that moment or make it yourself and then watch it.
People (especially twitch viewers) don´t seem to understand that live streams are bonus content. It´s for the super fans, not the actual mass of a fan base. Asmon has insane views on YT and most people know him from a YT clip or video NOT from twitch.
idk about that, when you are one of the biggest streamers on the platform, everyone knows who you are, twitch doesn't have many big streamers to actually recommend people so it's basically inevitable that you will either find him in the directory, or be recommended him.
@@idiosyncrasy7703 Tbh xqc does talk, depends on how much he has to say about the thing he's reacting to. If you wanna see someone who doesn't talk, watch forsen. you'll never say something about xqc again
There are plenty of people out there whose primary content is the streams and more people than that who watch and want to watch that. The big streamers are the ones your point primarily applies to
I tell you, the moment UA-cam creates a proper UI for showing all live streams by categories together with their superior algorithm for discovery twitch is dead
As a user, I find myself waiting for a content creator to post a vod up on UA-cam before I watch it because if I were to try to watch it live on Twitch, I'd get 3-5 ads every few minutes since I don't sub to everyone I watch. Here on UA-cam? Ads yes but not 3-6 of them (unskippable) constantly and some of them can run 2-5 minutes or longer.
Nah Twitch is killing Twitch. It was doomed from the start in the way this platform was setup with their only business model being streaming to play ads on while at the same time doing nothing to monetize clips (Also think about it, if Twitch would've let users monetize Twitch clips it would've got Tiktok beat years ago before Tiktok even came to existence) + not building a social media platform around twitch so you could offer even more for users to stay and bring in more business aka $ to your platform this way. Than on top of that doing bad contracts with your main streamers with too many streaming hours obligations per streamer just to try to keep viewers engaged with the platform.... Offcourse this explains the double standards and the why some Twitch streamers get banned forever for minor bs and some only a few days for heavy bs because those streamers bring in the most money but at the end of the day: Nah all in all this setup is doomed to fail when your main streamers will get burnouts etc sooner or later in general because of their twitch contract and then want to just leave the platform. Especially if they have to now keep reacting to any drama video/news/etc just to keep the engagement up but they are not really doing what they love and Twitch now basically have become a job you were running away from in the 1st place trying to make it on Twitch. Smh. The End.
Then streaming isn't sustainable PERIOD. Streaming costs A LOT of money for the provider, and nobody is going to dump money into a money pit so that YOU can enjoy free content. UA-cam isn't here to make you happy, it's here to collect your money. It's not to going to give away billions of their profits so YOU can be happy. Bottom line, they're going do the same shit on youtube. They're going to pummel you with ads, and have very harsh and unfair rules geared around optimizing ad revenue (they already do it). Unless you're willing to pay a massive amount of money to access youtube, ads and hash rules will always exist. There's a reason why movie and TV show streaming sites cost money... AND THEY OWN THAT CONTENT. You're paying $20 a month for content THEY own... how much do you think it'll cost to also pay for other people's content?
@@ryanthompson3737 I think you missed that youtube has revenue coming in from videos which is why livestreaming doesn't get updated as frequently. It is a side gig for youtube, not the main attraction. They are already profitable, ad revenue on livestreams isn't a major factor for them.
@@mizmuth I'm pretty sure their video platform is break even aswell, but the thing is Google's monolithic data farming has made it in their interest to draw literally all traffic possible as they increasingly become an unavoidable structure.
@@JungleVods "UA-cam has reported more than 30% revenue growth in the past four years. It generated $28.8 billion in 2021, a 46% increase on 2020 figures." We don't know the net revenue, but I'm pretty sure it's comfortably in the billions.
the failure to do anything significant with clips is really bizarre. they could have also introduced edited content that's paywalled for subscribers at some point instead of letting patreon monetize their streamers.
Something people doesn't know there is big Spanish streamers on UA-cam Rubius size, they are working from different fronts. Twitch needs to do something not because YT its a menace right now because YT has a higher cealing.
"Tbh I don't even know why people still watch live streams" -ludwig You know... I have been wondering the same thing for a while now. It seems that this may just be inevitable. For me personally, the moment I asked myself why I watched live streams when I could sit down and watch a well-edited video on whatever the heck I want was the moment I completely pulled away from streams and streaming. Streams are great for connecting one on one and supplementing it with regular recorded content, but streaming all the time? It's exhausting, there's too much parasocial stuff, and not good for time-management imo
@@samuel9294 viewers believing that they know the creator personally or believing there is a relationship with the creator when there is none. I would Google the term to get a better definition though!
UA-cam has the money and resources to improve their live streaming. It just takes so long for them to implement features. Gifted subs were wanted for a long time and just got recently added. If they push hard on the streaming features they could easily pull a lot of people from twitch.
@@winterfern4881 why pay for TV? Streaming services? New games? New books? People will pay for what they find entertaining. Now I'll argue that most huge streamers don't need it. At the same time, it's showing appreciation for what they are doing and helps ensure they are able to keep doing it. Ad revenue is small unless you're pulling hundreds of thousands a view each video.
Everyone's on UA-cam. Not everyone is on Twitch. Literally everyone who follows you would know if you went live on UA-cam and you would likely gain a significantly bigger number of viewers
I don’t agree. If that was the case dr disrespect and Timthetatman would have more viewing numbers than they had on twitch, which is not the case for either of them. It’s remained the same or less depending on what they are doing.
@@k00ms the point is people would rather watch on youtube than on twitch, they may not watch streams on youtube but they sure are going to watch VODs which generates more views.
@@SirCharlzTV they aren’t pulling numbers in terms of live views but their views in total (VODs) and UA-cam videos are doing great. People get paid way more on YT than on twitch for vod views
Wrong, just about every streamer has less viewers on youtube then they did on twitch. It's true youtube has significantly larger following but watching livestreaming is a very niche thing on the internet. There's a reason why so many of those youtube sub don't watch twitch. Simply because they don't enjoy livestreams and that's the same reason why twitch streamers on youtube gets less viewers.
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I think its more out of fear of starting over on youtube is why people aren't doing it without a guaranteed contract. If your making a decent living on twitch, then moving to youtube would be a big change with no idea of knowing whether or not you would succeed. Even if you have a decent chance of gaining even more. I personally exclusively watch Asmon on youtube and I think he would probably do better on here if he live streamed, and his videos would probably do even better as well.
Well put, I think this is exactly what it going on. A lot of creators probably see the ceiling on YT is higher, but holding onto what you have almost always looks better than chasing a new and risk-laden thing.
@gibsmedat I think its supposed to be against TOS if your an affiliate of twitch. I have seen people doing it but the bigger streamers probably don't want to risk it.
As a gen-x I tried to watch twitch to learn about new games but the amount of serious mental illness proudly on display was very bizarre. I’ve been around since the BBS days so I’m used to weird internet culture. Twitch was just broken people watching other broken people with terrible UI
people who think guys like us whos been on the internet since the 90s are "confused" by weird internet culture dont know anything about the stuff allowed back then lol
@@kamalindsey “imagine a world with zero censorship. And 95% of politicians, police, and the general public had zero knowledge of what you’re talking about. A technology they could not fathom or begin to learn. Yet millions of people were on it collaborating and sharing information” - that’s gen-x internet.
Ironically John, your comment just got censored. I can't see it but I can see it in replies which means it got deleted I think, or at least I cant see it for some reason.
I think that problem with streamers switching to YT is not only with the UI. UA-cam is involved in tons of controversial stuff around bans, hacks and deleted channels. Policies are way more strict, so watching stuff on stream, listening to music and so on is way harder. Also I feel like YT is way less accepting of suggestive content. Plus demonitization stories. It's like YT doesn't really allow most of the "fun" stuff that passes on Twitch. The sole brand of UA-cam is the biggest anti-incentive. That's why the only option for them to pull someone is money.
Well I am at least one person who can attest to UA-cam killing twitch. I originally started streaming on twitch and for the longest time had no interaction, no-one ever even gave me second glance. And you actually said it yourself in a previous video that if you were ever looking to get into streaming that you should start with UA-cam first. Twitch really has nothing in the way of an algorithm to even give new creators a chance so there's no reason to even touch twitch unless you've already got a preestablished community. Without something that has even a semblance of discoverability and/or organic growth, twitch will eventually fall further to the wayside.
I left Twitch streaming and headed on over to UA-cam because I think it's the best thing for my small community... Asmongold saying, "When people start to move over from Twitch to UA-cam without a paid sponsor, that's when it will matter." He is literally talking about people like me.
Unless OTK, Nickmercs, Esports, ect moves over to UA-cam voluntarily without youtube paying big bucks for an exclusive contract, Twitch isn't going anywhere. The only people I know of that are on UA-cam are Tim, Doc, and the OTV friend group.
One thing to consider is the recent update to UA-cam on mobile. As far as I know (I’ve never had premium) the only way to be able to play something in the background was to own the premium version, but now UA-cam pops out normally. You can be doing something else on your phone and watch YT. Twitch does this too, and has been for a while. I’m not sure why YT decided to do it now rather than earlier but it’s a good change to see. I’ve been able to do this on PC with Opera for a while but it’s nice to be able to do it on mobile now. Other quality of life things: - Twitch deletes vods & YT vods get uploaded to the channel, no need for vod channel (but most people separate) - can’t pause / go back through Twitch streams & YT allows this with a live button to skip to the present. - Twitch has Prime so I can sub to people without spending my college money :^)
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Buying streamers to stream on youtube is one thing. Getting streamer to move from twitch on their own and getting banned on twitch, doesnt count as "moved to UA-cam on their own ". If youtube had the community features like twitch from the beginning: Emotes, BTTV/7TV, Gifted Subs, youtube would be in a different place. But for now as a viewer i enjoy the twitch vibe way more, considering all the bad stuff like the massive amount of Ads. But i dont rly care tbh, since i subbed to every person i watch. I rly hope UA-cam will become bigger in streaming. So people will move to UA-cam organically. If this organically grow on youtube-Streaming starts, twitch rly needs to get to work.
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In this case it’s not really UA-cam killing twitch. but twitch killing twitch and UA-cam just so happens to be another platform almost as good (especially once they fix their recommended streams and live chat’s which Ludwig is actually working on fixing)
I've been using UA-cam for a very long time and Twitch as well. I'm probably in the minority seeing as most of these comments want Asmon to stream on UA-cam instead, but I very much enjoy the viewing/chatting experience on Twitch more. Maybe it's a comfort thing, but my brain just associates UA-cam with videos and Twitch with streaming. I also just hate UA-cam's layout for finding streamers, let alone the ones you're actually following/subscribed to. It's extremely disorganized and not tailored towards the viewer at all. I feel like UA-cam definitely has the potential, but like Asmon said until the day people voluntarily leave Twitch for UA-cam without some sort of new contract deal or getting banned, I don't think Twitch is dying at all. Sure Twitch has made some few bad decisions here and there, but UA-cam is infinitely worse imo. UA-cam you can actively make hateful content against other creators and unless you DMCA the video or somehow get it taken down, there's literally nothing you can do.
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UA-cam streaming does have categories for gaming much like twitch, but it's unintuitive. On the homepage to the left there is a section called "Explore", which has a 'Live' section for everything not gaming related and a 'Gaming' section which organizes lives by game categories and viewer count from high to low almost exactly the way twitch does it.
I've talked to a few smaller streamers on Twitch. Most of them have started making vods and posting them to UA-cam and are seeing more growth on UA-cam, than on Twitch. I think UA-cam is coming and slowly widdling away at the market share, 1% at a time. Like a big ass turtle, UA-cam is getting there and Twitch really has no way to stop it without drastic changes. I think creators should do whatever is best for them. Screw the Twitch and UA-cam corpo fanboys, just make content where you are happiest or get the best bottom line.
I think Twitch does need a competitor that will force them to make better decisions and keep the platform alive. But I also think UA-cam needs competition cause it sucks that they are the only platform that can make long form content, live streams, shorts, etc. I'm happy uploading streams and shorts on UA-cam but I like streaming on twitch. I think it's a personal choice not all these huge content creators should decide where we as people go. I fully agree with you!
I've known Asmon for a long time but since of the start of lost ark i got more into mmorpgs in general and i started to watch Asmon videos on youtube and i gotta say i really love him. Such a great guy.
Main thing I hate about twitch is missing out on X minutes of content (because ads aren't like commercial breaks on TV) and potentially missing a great moment
As many have commented, Twitch is killing Twitch. Inconsistent. Double standards. Favoritism. Not saying UA-cam is any better. But UA-cam isn’t killing itself.
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I think its easier to watch a stream on youtube than it is on twitch specifically when it comes to bad data and wifi connections. In the same place that i can watch a youtube stream in 480 i can't even get a twitch stream to load at 144
UA-cam UX for live content might not be good but that's because they're a video sharing platform first. The same could be said for Twitch if I went there looking for recommended VODs, it would just be as bad (or even worse), because they're streaming platform first. The way you have to do on UA-cam right now to discover livestreams is search term, ex: Valorant (by categories, not just by streamers like Ludwig did), then use Live filter. Not the best, but basically the same as Twitch's search, except they have to use the filter because of the mixbag of videos and livestreams. So one simple way they could do to improve it is, just like Twitch, bring this categories search to Live tab for users to choose and bam, discoverability.
Twitch’s double standards isn’t why people are leaving no one actual gives a shit about it it’s purely that UA-cam is a platform they are already on and they are getting paid to move over. At most your a 10k Andy and you drop to a 5-8k Andy but it doesn’t matter your getting paid and can stream less
And anyone like me who's always waited just for UA-cam uploads after live twitch due to time more and more I hear I'm not even gonna sign up right... twitch looks cooler still for live but uh oh UA-cam live now too. Fees monthly fees not having 2 if getting equal or etc yours is a perfect point!
tody the person that introduced me to wow got banned. she is the sweetest person ive ever met in a video game. last i heard she was doing a dungeon run and some douche kicked her so she called him out on it. mysteriously a few hours later, account permanently banned. ive played with her through every single lvl all the way to 70. she has never botted or hacked a day in her life, yet the perma ban sticks. its a long shot but i dont know where else to go for her. this total stranger, only known to me as Gaiia on atiesh, has guided me step by step through this amazing world of warcraft. im so angry right now. the funniest part is she got banned not too long after asmon's video about the OBVIOUSLY not manually reviewed ban system in wow. seems so insane to me. if anyone has any idea how she might have gotten banned (bad addon? mass report from the guy in the dungeon?) id love to hear any theories. i will not accept anything saying she was hacking. every minute of wow we have played together on our accounts, it would have been very clear to me if she was or ever did.
I only watch Twitch and no one who has moved to UA-cam, at least so far, has had any entertainment value for me. Then again, I only watch like 3 streamers so the chance of them moving is slim.
I use UA-cam for looking up video content but Twitch is only there specifically for streaming. I have to have an objective of looking for a streamer to watch where UA-cam is a bit more spontaneous. If I notice one of my favorite UA-camrs is streaming while I'm looking at puppy videos or whatever else, I'm more likely to click on the streamer that is live and in my recommended after my video is done. That's my take on it. I feel like UA-cam would be killing it if they made streamer visibility a bit better for people specifically looking for streamers. I think having content categories like twitch would help.
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The biggest problem I see for Asmongold switching to UA-cam is figuring out how to handle livestreaming because if it does it on this main channel then it might be harder to also upload his chopped up video segments from his streams that get him all of his views on UA-cam. Uploading multiple videos a day can also mess with the algorithm and how it suggest your videos to new people though Asmongold seems to do this anyway and still seems to do okay. However, I have seen that for many people adding live-streams to their channels when they have always been about video content can really hurt their growth overall so it might not be a bad idea to make a completely separate channel for live-streaming but then he wouldn't have the built up base of his main channel to encourage viewership. However, I still think this would be the best idea as most of his hardcore fans will immediately sub to the live channel so it'll shoot up to 100k subs no problem and then he won't have to cannibalize his main channel which has NEVER had live content be the focus so all of those fans can continue to watch the same types of videos they've become accustomed to and I'm sure this theoretical new live channel would grow quite well. But with all that being said, I honestly can't see Asmongold moving over to UA-cam unless not only him but his entire organization of OTK is offered a huge bag to bring over all of the talents so that they can all continue to do the same things but on UA-cam instead of Twitch.
There is only one thing that matters to me. And that is the lag on UA-cam live streams on my phone. Timthetatmans stream lags every 2 seconds now along with everyone else who moved to UA-cam. When their streams never did and peoples still don’t in twitch.
Sykkuno, Lily, and Fuslie were HUGE pickups for UA-cam. Just think of how many people Lily introduced into a Twitch audience and they became massive. Both Lily and Fuslie are massive talents, Twitch was dumb to try not to keep them on their platform.
I think people move from Twitch to UA-cam every day, you just don't notice it because it's smaller creators. Why would a large creator move to UA-cam without getting a bag? They know other creators their size are getting a bag for moving so why would they move without getting the same bag?
I wish another service like UA-cam or twitch would come out and overtake them both. Need a little more competition but generally people only want to use one or two different services for certain thingd
It’s the ever changing algorithm/arbitrary content creator guidelines not being enforced equally and fairly. This is why competitors like Rumble are steamrolling ahead with community growth and content.
If asmon switched to UA-cam I'd actually watch his streams. Love the guy but hate twitch as a platform so I stick to watching the highlights on UA-cam.
The thing is, the main way that twitch streamers grow nowadays is through UA-cam clips. Which means that most of their viewers are from UA-cam. And so if a twitch streamer starts to stream on the platform that most of their viewers are from, they are probably more likely to get a higher viewer count. Or at least that’s my reasoning
UA-cam will never fall out of relevance that's like saying Google will lose relevance.. the video search engine is directly tied to UA-cam meaning nobody will never not use UA-cam
I think there is a road where twitch can die off, but I feel a lot of things will need to fall into place for that to happen. It won't be as easy as UA-cam taking over Twitch's market, like how Walmart kills small business, it's more like a Dutch Bros opening next to a Starbucks.
People use UA-cam as casual time killer, much like instagram, just watching the first thing that catches your attention, then watch the next thing that catches attention. On twitch you watch a stream for the game or the streamer, often times as a secondary thing next to gaming gaming yourself or doing housework or whatever. UA-cam is not optimized for hour long streams, it’s always about the next thing.
twitch is killing twitch, i stopped watching it as much after their forced ad rolls, and at somepoint the player just stopped loading for me and i saw no point in trying to fix it and moved on.
Would be entertaining to see a majority move from Twitch to UA-cam only for Twitch to add benefits which makes UA-camrs move to Twitch, with some hooks for those who left it.
UA-cam will always be better, able to adapt. I'm sure in a a decade Twitch will be sold be amazon and bought by UA-cam or completely destroy it all together..
twitch unwilling to invest in a proper vod strategy and vod system back in the mid 2010s is definitely hindering them as new creators are definitely finding better long term growth on youtube
The only thing keeping streamers on twitch is that they are used to it, I can't think of anything that's better on twitch compared to youtube other than the culture.
Well if you’re following is on twitch there’s no reason to move. But people are going to start streaming on UA-cam from the start the more big names move over
people look on twitch when they have a lot of time. when you don't have much time you look up videos on youtube and don't have time to watch a live stream.
I don't really watch streams in general. The only time I go on twitch was to watch some sort of "event" or "gameshows" like the recent Camp Knut. However, I believe the only way Twitch will die is when it lost all of their viewership for some reason in the future and no new streamers come in. Sure all these creators move to youtube because they got paid the big bucks, but someone else would replace them later on. UA-cam mainly focuses on videos and Twitch is still dominating the streaming platform.
Twitch killed twitch
"You're goddamn right"
Trueeeeee
Twitch killed Twitch
WoW killed WoW
Why do these things keep killing thenselves
Trueeeeeeee
@@XxHrallundeadrogueXx volition killed volition
I think it is Twitch killing Twitch, because they have shown themselves to have a double standard when it comes to their site, and have treated a lot of streamers unfairly.
100% true and real
If you think youtube will be any different, you're VERY naive. This isn't a twitch issue, this is an industry issue presented by the inherent need to collect ad revenue. It's a fine line between appeasing advertisers "moral" standards and not giving a shit because there's a massive enough audience able to see that ad. UA-cam doesn't have this issue because they don't put ads on youtube streams. They're attempting to take down twitch by creating a streaming money pit backed by BILLIONS in youtube video ads that they CAN advertise on.
@@CottidaeSEA I agree with that. I mean this in the fairest possible way, but "hot" streamers ruined things. They made twitch another thirst trap rather than interesting gaming being the focus.
Twitch is gonna be an camgirl site in couple of years i bet, because it seems they really like pr0n on their platform.
@@Brian_Damuge 100% true
I like it when streamers move from Twitch to UA-cam, because I can easily rewind streams and block ads here. Also, some streamers upload interesting videos in addition to their streaming content. Everything's just better. I don't use Twitch at the moment, but I still want it to survive and thrive. UA-cam needs the competition.
I completely agree, it’s much easier to view content you’ve missed on a UA-cam stream and we can block ads for now. Ads will be coming back sadly as google is removing support for ad blockers soon
@@shadlz1628 At least youtube ads aren't as intrusive as the ones on twitch.
So we’re not gonna talk about how Ludwig sounds like he got a microphone at 22:26 all of a sudden.
"Live viewership doesn't matter".... BOOM there it is! I was waiting for it! I realized this a loooooong time ago
Twitch is killing itself.
I stopped watching twitch years ago.
As someone who was there in the early days it’s sad to see what it has become.
Yeah, haven't watched on twitch in years. The parasocial shit can only carry them so far
@@00ABBITT00 hi there fellow LIRIK viewer xD
I jumped the second they made it so adblocker didn't work on ads lol.
+1 as a former early days Twitch viewer. I still have streamers I love to follow, I just watch their VODs and clips channels here instead.
It’s always funny to hear Asmon pause the video and give a solid take, then Ludwig 2 min later gives the same take. Just solidifies the take even more tbh.
nah he watches videos before he does reactions
@@jace122 loosen that tinfoil hat lmao
@@ibejerdan To be fair, his twitch regularly spams "pre-watched LUL" whenever he "predicts" opinions.
@@remondx8880 being fair in 2022? I too like to live dangerously
@@RedzicMuharem to be fair, I also would love to live dangerously.
For some reason, Twitch just doesn't hold my attention the way UA-cam can.
I've used twitch more than UA-cam since 2015. That ended this year. I haven't been on twitch in months and it honestly feels great. UA-cam lost many battles, but will win the war a lot easier than I ever thought. Twitch defeated themselves.
I only use twitch for critical role and some of jelloapocalypse's streams and mcc. Other than that youtube all the way.
i mean youtube is not home for content creators really its just a mix of random groups, orgs or even individuals doing the shit they like even tho youtube is having issues wither policy causing their youtubers a mess
UA-cam would easily win if they even tried but currently its hard to even find livestreams for casual youtube user unless you follow the people streaming in the site, hence the discoverability seems absolute dog shit. Not really convinced they know what they are doing, I would gladly watch live streams in the site but site itself doesn't really do good job being live streaming platform which is probably biggest reason more people aren't moving to youtube.
i only used twitch as much due to quarantine, now that its over and I have my life back, i would rather binge highlights on YT
Asmongold would kill it on UA-cam
Doubt it. Unless youtube would actually give him a contract for a certain amount of annual payout to cover the setback of revenue loss from moving over.
The truth is, i do like the youtube stream player better. It's much more user-friendly, you can pause, and rewind without any issues, but this is not a streaming platform in any sense shape or form, the interface for it is just godawful. I'd basically be forced to create another youtube account just to keep up with streamers, because their feeds would get stomped way, way down the list among all the regular subscriptions i have right now.
On twitch i can easily see who is online, what are they doing. I can bring up the account and it's vods with ease. Besides, just like many others, i don't actually watch streams, i play them in background while doing my own thing. I might visually tune in during some cool interviews or whatever, but 90% of the time i have the stream running in background. So for a lack of a better description, twitch is far better for background radio than youtube, unless you want to play back a custom playlist of songs.
@@BasicSub so not true
@@ThwipThwipBoom Exactly twitch is already out of the big picture for years now 👌
Anything that's good on twitch will land on UA-cam. Plus I don't have to wait for a 1 min ad just to see what the streamer is actually doing. I feel like people don't want to leave because they have their curated audience and not sure if they will follow them over to youtube.
They are doing it even worse now. You get a 10 minute chain of adds in the middle of the gameplay. About a month ago on Nickmercs stream thats what happened and I just left and never came back.
The primary reason I don't use twitch is that I can't skip the ads and I absolutely hate ads, the mobile app is not as good as UA-cam, and the lack of VOD or reversing video. Those things kill the experience for me so I rarely use it.
The one thing I love about youtube streams is that I can go back and rewatch something I missed by just clicking on the red bar. You can basically rewind and then fast forward with one click. On twitch, you need to either watch a clip someone made of that moment or make it yourself and then watch it.
People (especially twitch viewers) don´t seem to understand that live streams are bonus content. It´s for the super fans, not the actual mass of a fan base.
Asmon has insane views on YT and most people know him from a YT clip or video NOT from twitch.
idk about that, when you are one of the biggest streamers on the platform, everyone knows who you are, twitch doesn't have many big streamers to actually recommend people so it's basically inevitable that you will either find him in the directory, or be recommended him.
@@idiosyncrasy7703 Tbh xqc does talk, depends on how much he has to say about the thing he's reacting to. If you wanna see someone who doesn't talk, watch forsen. you'll never say something about xqc again
There are plenty of people out there whose primary content is the streams and more people than that who watch and want to watch that. The big streamers are the ones your point primarily applies to
I tell you, the moment UA-cam creates a proper UI for showing all live streams by categories together with their superior algorithm for discovery twitch is dead
As a user, I find myself waiting for a content creator to post a vod up on UA-cam before I watch it because if I were to try to watch it live on Twitch, I'd get 3-5 ads every few minutes since I don't sub to everyone I watch. Here on UA-cam? Ads yes but not 3-6 of them (unskippable) constantly and some of them can run 2-5 minutes or longer.
Nah Twitch is killing Twitch. It was doomed from the start in the way this platform was setup with their only business model being streaming to play ads on while at the same time doing nothing to monetize clips (Also think about it, if Twitch would've let users monetize Twitch clips it would've got Tiktok beat years ago before Tiktok even came to existence) + not building a social media platform around twitch so you could offer even more for users to stay and bring in more business aka $ to your platform this way. Than on top of that doing bad contracts with your main streamers with too many streaming hours obligations per streamer just to try to keep viewers engaged with the platform.... Offcourse this explains the double standards and the why some Twitch streamers get banned forever for minor bs and some only a few days for heavy bs because those streamers bring in the most money but at the end of the day: Nah all in all this setup is doomed to fail when your main streamers will get burnouts etc sooner or later in general because of their twitch contract and then want to just leave the platform. Especially if they have to now keep reacting to any drama video/news/etc just to keep the engagement up but they are not really doing what they love and Twitch now basically have become a job you were running away from in the 1st place trying to make it on Twitch. Smh. The End.
Then streaming isn't sustainable PERIOD. Streaming costs A LOT of money for the provider, and nobody is going to dump money into a money pit so that YOU can enjoy free content. UA-cam isn't here to make you happy, it's here to collect your money. It's not to going to give away billions of their profits so YOU can be happy. Bottom line, they're going do the same shit on youtube. They're going to pummel you with ads, and have very harsh and unfair rules geared around optimizing ad revenue (they already do it). Unless you're willing to pay a massive amount of money to access youtube, ads and hash rules will always exist. There's a reason why movie and TV show streaming sites cost money... AND THEY OWN THAT CONTENT. You're paying $20 a month for content THEY own... how much do you think it'll cost to also pay for other people's content?
@@ryanthompson3737 I think you missed that youtube has revenue coming in from videos which is why livestreaming doesn't get updated as frequently. It is a side gig for youtube, not the main attraction. They are already profitable, ad revenue on livestreams isn't a major factor for them.
@@mizmuth I'm pretty sure their video platform is break even aswell, but the thing is Google's monolithic data farming has made it in their interest to draw literally all traffic possible as they increasingly become an unavoidable structure.
@@JungleVods "UA-cam has reported more than 30% revenue growth in the past four years. It generated $28.8 billion in 2021, a 46% increase on 2020 figures." We don't know the net revenue, but I'm pretty sure it's comfortably in the billions.
the failure to do anything significant with clips is really bizarre. they could have also introduced edited content that's paywalled for subscribers at some point instead of letting patreon monetize their streamers.
Something people doesn't know there is big Spanish streamers on UA-cam Rubius size, they are working from different fronts.
Twitch needs to do something not because YT its a menace right now because YT has a higher cealing.
"Tbh I don't even know why people still watch live streams" -ludwig
You know... I have been wondering the same thing for a while now. It seems that this may just be inevitable. For me personally, the moment I asked myself why I watched live streams when I could sit down and watch a well-edited video on whatever the heck I want was the moment I completely pulled away from streams and streaming.
Streams are great for connecting one on one and supplementing it with regular recorded content, but streaming all the time? It's exhausting, there's too much parasocial stuff, and not good for time-management imo
What is parasocial stuff?
@@samuel9294 viewers believing that they know the creator personally or believing there is a relationship with the creator when there is none. I would Google the term to get a better definition though!
@@TheMirandalorian i see.
@@TheMirandalorian its like a deep identification that a viewer can feel towards the streamer but in reality there is none.
@@samuel9294 exactly!
UA-cam has the money and resources to improve their live streaming. It just takes so long for them to implement features. Gifted subs were wanted for a long time and just got recently added. If they push hard on the streaming features they could easily pull a lot of people from twitch.
And that gifted sub feature only works on PC atm
Twitch's parent company, Amazon, does too but they don't seem to be doing anything with it.
the point is to do this
but in a way where you (as twitch owner) don't spend a dime
I'll never understand why anyone wants to give money to gamers or anyone on youtube. Your already watching earning them money.
@@winterfern4881 why pay for TV? Streaming services? New games? New books? People will pay for what they find entertaining. Now I'll argue that most huge streamers don't need it. At the same time, it's showing appreciation for what they are doing and helps ensure they are able to keep doing it.
Ad revenue is small unless you're pulling hundreds of thousands a view each video.
Everyone's on UA-cam. Not everyone is on Twitch. Literally everyone who follows you would know if you went live on UA-cam and you would likely gain a significantly bigger number of viewers
I don’t agree. If that was the case dr disrespect and Timthetatman would have more viewing numbers than they had on twitch, which is not the case for either of them. It’s remained the same or less depending on what they are doing.
@@k00ms the point is people would rather watch on youtube than on twitch, they may not watch streams on youtube but they sure are going to watch VODs which generates more views.
@@SirCharlzTV they aren’t pulling numbers in terms of live views but their views in total (VODs) and UA-cam videos are doing great. People get paid way more on YT than on twitch for vod views
Wrong, just about every streamer has less viewers on youtube then they did on twitch. It's true youtube has significantly larger following but watching livestreaming is a very niche thing on the internet.
There's a reason why so many of those youtube sub don't watch twitch. Simply because they don't enjoy livestreams and that's the same reason why twitch streamers on youtube gets less viewers.
@@k00ms
Yeah but those are well known streamers. For regular UA-cam streamers vs regular Twitch streamers. UA-cam will be bigger in views.
Huge props to the editors for seamlessly splicing in Asmon's earlier reaction to Fuslies video.
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Literally was just talking about this. It's ridiculous how Twitch refuses to update to become more user friendly.
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at this point i'm just watching every stream but a little later and chopped up in nice videos.
I think its more out of fear of starting over on youtube is why people aren't doing it without a guaranteed contract. If your making a decent living on twitch, then moving to youtube would be a big change with no idea of knowing whether or not you would succeed. Even if you have a decent chance of gaining even more. I personally exclusively watch Asmon on youtube and I think he would probably do better on here if he live streamed, and his videos would probably do even better as well.
Well put, I think this is exactly what it going on. A lot of creators probably see the ceiling on YT is higher, but holding onto what you have almost always looks better than chasing a new and risk-laden thing.
@gibsmedat I think its supposed to be against TOS if your an affiliate of twitch. I have seen people doing it but the bigger streamers probably don't want to risk it.
As a gen-x I tried to watch twitch to learn about new games but the amount of serious mental illness proudly on display was very bizarre.
I’ve been around since the BBS days so I’m used to weird internet culture. Twitch was just broken people watching other broken people with terrible UI
Yeah...it used to be gamers, watching really skilled gamers playing the games they loved..now..it's a circus freak show
people who think guys like us whos been on the internet since the 90s are "confused" by weird internet culture dont know anything about the stuff allowed back then lol
@@kamalindsey “imagine a world with zero censorship. And 95% of politicians, police, and the general public had zero knowledge of what you’re talking about. A technology they could not fathom or begin to learn. Yet millions of people were on it collaborating and sharing information” - that’s gen-x internet.
Ironically John, your comment just got censored. I can't see it but I can see it in replies which means it got deleted I think, or at least I cant see it for some reason.
Let's be real: UA-cam wins for all of us. We can still watch this one year old Asmon stream on demand for free.
I think that problem with streamers switching to YT is not only with the UI. UA-cam is involved in tons of controversial stuff around bans, hacks and deleted channels. Policies are way more strict, so watching stuff on stream, listening to music and so on is way harder. Also I feel like YT is way less accepting of suggestive content. Plus demonitization stories. It's like YT doesn't really allow most of the "fun" stuff that passes on Twitch. The sole brand of UA-cam is the biggest anti-incentive. That's why the only option for them to pull someone is money.
Funnily enough lud is fixing most of those things
Well I am at least one person who can attest to UA-cam killing twitch.
I originally started streaming on twitch and for the longest time had no interaction, no-one ever even gave me second glance. And you actually said it yourself in a previous video that if you were ever looking to get into streaming that you should start with UA-cam first.
Twitch really has nothing in the way of an algorithm to even give new creators a chance so there's no reason to even touch twitch unless you've already got a preestablished community.
Without something that has even a semblance of discoverability and/or organic growth, twitch will eventually fall further to the wayside.
Well that's nice to hear, I hope your career continues to grow and you find the success you wish for. (If not already) :)
@@ibejerdan Thank you man, I really appreciate that!
Lowkey but not so lowkey wishing Asmon would make the switch to YT, he's already one of the top gaming channels and his numbers would only go up tbh
It's almost impossible to compete with most of UA-cam's content that is well planned with high production value when compared to the average stream.
Can't wait for asmon to move to UA-cam. It'd be nice to use one app with less ad problems than two apps
I left Twitch streaming and headed on over to UA-cam because I think it's the best thing for my small community...
Asmongold saying, "When people start to move over from Twitch to UA-cam without a paid sponsor, that's when it will matter."
He is literally talking about people like me.
Twitch is surviving based on the legend of it’s glory days.
Unless OTK, Nickmercs, Esports, ect moves over to UA-cam voluntarily without youtube paying big bucks for an exclusive contract, Twitch isn't going anywhere. The only people I know of that are on UA-cam are Tim, Doc, and the OTV friend group.
I moved over to youtube on my own. Now I just watch your content here.. Haven't checked out twitch in months due to ads
One thing to consider is the recent update to UA-cam on mobile. As far as I know (I’ve never had premium) the only way to be able to play something in the background was to own the premium version, but now UA-cam pops out normally. You can be doing something else on your phone and watch YT. Twitch does this too, and has been for a while. I’m not sure why YT decided to do it now rather than earlier but it’s a good change to see. I’ve been able to do this on PC with Opera for a while but it’s nice to be able to do it on mobile now.
Other quality of life things:
- Twitch deletes vods & YT vods get uploaded to the channel, no need for vod channel (but most people separate)
- can’t pause / go back through Twitch streams & YT allows this with a live button to skip to the present.
- Twitch has Prime so I can sub to people without spending my college money :^)
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Buying streamers to stream on youtube is one thing. Getting streamer to move from twitch on their own and getting banned on twitch, doesnt count as "moved to UA-cam on their own ". If youtube had the community features like twitch from the beginning: Emotes, BTTV/7TV, Gifted Subs, youtube would be in a different place. But for now as a viewer i enjoy the twitch vibe way more, considering all the bad stuff like the massive amount of Ads. But i dont rly care tbh, since i subbed to every person i watch. I rly hope UA-cam will become bigger in streaming. So people will move to UA-cam organically. If this organically grow on youtube-Streaming starts, twitch rly needs to get to work.
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im making the switch without money being involved but I'm a nobody lol, went from 100 ccv to 500 ccv
In this case it’s not really UA-cam killing twitch. but twitch killing twitch and UA-cam just so happens to be another platform almost as good (especially once they fix their recommended streams and live chat’s which Ludwig is actually working on fixing)
I've been using UA-cam for a very long time and Twitch as well. I'm probably in the minority seeing as most of these comments want Asmon to stream on UA-cam instead, but I very much enjoy the viewing/chatting experience on Twitch more. Maybe it's a comfort thing, but my brain just associates UA-cam with videos and Twitch with streaming. I also just hate UA-cam's layout for finding streamers, let alone the ones you're actually following/subscribed to. It's extremely disorganized and not tailored towards the viewer at all. I feel like UA-cam definitely has the potential, but like Asmon said until the day people voluntarily leave Twitch for UA-cam without some sort of new contract deal or getting banned, I don't think Twitch is dying at all. Sure Twitch has made some few bad decisions here and there, but UA-cam is infinitely worse imo. UA-cam you can actively make hateful content against other creators and unless you DMCA the video or somehow get it taken down, there's literally nothing you can do.
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4:15 when she grabs the guitar.... looked to me like what should of been there was the sword of 1000 truths
UA-cam streaming does have categories for gaming much like twitch, but it's unintuitive. On the homepage to the left there is a section called "Explore", which has a 'Live' section for everything not gaming related and a 'Gaming' section which organizes lives by game categories and viewer count from high to low almost exactly the way twitch does it.
I never touch twitch, and would most likely watch more streams if they were on UA-cam. I imagine I'm not alone in that, either.
I've talked to a few smaller streamers on Twitch. Most of them have started making vods and posting them to UA-cam and are seeing more growth on UA-cam, than on Twitch.
I think UA-cam is coming and slowly widdling away at the market share, 1% at a time. Like a big ass turtle, UA-cam is getting there and Twitch really has no way to stop it without drastic changes.
I think creators should do whatever is best for them. Screw the Twitch and UA-cam corpo fanboys, just make content where you are happiest or get the best bottom line.
I think Twitch does need a competitor that will force them to make better decisions and keep the platform alive. But I also think UA-cam needs competition cause it sucks that they are the only platform that can make long form content, live streams, shorts, etc. I'm happy uploading streams and shorts on UA-cam but I like streaming on twitch. I think it's a personal choice not all these huge content creators should decide where we as people go. I fully agree with you!
Can confirm, I stream on UA-cam and views are crazy for the amount of subs I have.
I've known Asmon for a long time but since of the start of lost ark i got more into mmorpgs in general and i started to watch Asmon videos on youtube and i gotta say i really love him. Such a great guy.
Main thing I hate about twitch is missing out on X minutes of content (because ads aren't like commercial breaks on TV) and potentially missing a great moment
Devin Nash's "Twitch streamers are burning out" is an awesome video that explains some things about the fall off of twitch.
fucking busted laughing with the "More fish in the sea, but all the fish have A.D.D" very true with someone who has A.D.D its very true.
This video's title is missing the Skull Emoji...
As a Twitch viewer, the ads are suffocating, i keep turning twitch off when these ads appear so quickly.
Twitch is like World of Warcraft~
They both kill themselves~
They don't need someone else to do it~
As many have commented, Twitch is killing Twitch. Inconsistent. Double standards. Favoritism. Not saying UA-cam is any better. But UA-cam isn’t killing itself.
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I think its easier to watch a stream on youtube than it is on twitch specifically when it comes to bad data and wifi connections. In the same place that i can watch a youtube stream in 480 i can't even get a twitch stream to load at 144
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Twitch just removed hosting today :)
Lol really that’s crazy cause I’ve found multiple channel by someone hosting
The Doc Ban done it for me..
Every time Asmon says 'You see what I'm saying?', a bee flies through his open window.
UA-cam UX for live content might not be good but that's because they're a video sharing platform first. The same could be said for Twitch if I went there looking for recommended VODs, it would just be as bad (or even worse), because they're streaming platform first.
The way you have to do on UA-cam right now to discover livestreams is search term, ex: Valorant (by categories, not just by streamers like Ludwig did), then use Live filter. Not the best, but basically the same as Twitch's search, except they have to use the filter because of the mixbag of videos and livestreams.
So one simple way they could do to improve it is, just like Twitch, bring this categories search to Live tab for users to choose and bam, discoverability.
Twitch’s double standards isn’t why people are leaving no one actual gives a shit about it it’s purely that UA-cam is a platform they are already on and they are getting paid to move over. At most your a 10k Andy and you drop to a 5-8k Andy but it doesn’t matter your getting paid and can stream less
22:00 -24:00 there's an echo
The Flying V guitar is Twitch, the blue ukulele is Mixer
UA-cam didn’t kill Twitch. Twitch did that to themselves
And anyone like me who's always waited just for UA-cam uploads after live twitch due to time more and more I hear I'm not even gonna sign up right... twitch looks cooler still for live but uh oh UA-cam live now too. Fees monthly fees not having 2 if getting equal or etc yours is a perfect point!
tody the person that introduced me to wow got banned. she is the sweetest person ive ever met in a video game. last i heard she was doing a dungeon run and some douche kicked her so she called him out on it. mysteriously a few hours later, account permanently banned. ive played with her through every single lvl all the way to 70. she has never botted or hacked a day in her life, yet the perma ban sticks. its a long shot but i dont know where else to go for her. this total stranger, only known to me as Gaiia on atiesh, has guided me step by step through this amazing world of warcraft. im so angry right now. the funniest part is she got banned not too long after asmon's video about the OBVIOUSLY not manually reviewed ban system in wow. seems so insane to me. if anyone has any idea how she might have gotten banned (bad addon? mass report from the guy in the dungeon?) id love to hear any theories. i will not accept anything saying she was hacking. every minute of wow we have played together on our accounts, it would have been very clear to me if she was or ever did.
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I only watch Twitch and no one who has moved to UA-cam, at least so far, has had any entertainment value for me. Then again, I only watch like 3 streamers so the chance of them moving is slim.
Only problem with youtube compare to twitch is how heavily content is censored or demonitized for the littlest crap
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Aren't the reason some people are staying on Twitch because they signed a contract? Doesn't that mean they're staying because they're getting paid?
I only watch Asmon on UA-cam. Every time I go to Twitch I get unskippable ads and never make my way to the actual stream
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I use UA-cam for looking up video content but Twitch is only there specifically for streaming. I have to have an objective of looking for a streamer to watch where UA-cam is a bit more spontaneous. If I notice one of my favorite UA-camrs is streaming while I'm looking at puppy videos or whatever else, I'm more likely to click on the streamer that is live and in my recommended after my video is done.
That's my take on it. I feel like UA-cam would be killing it if they made streamer visibility a bit better for people specifically looking for streamers. I think having content categories like twitch would help.
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"There's more fish on UA-cam but all the fish have ADD".
As a fish on UA-cam with ADD, you nailed it. And I love it.
The biggest problem I see for Asmongold switching to UA-cam is figuring out how to handle livestreaming because if it does it on this main channel then it might be harder to also upload his chopped up video segments from his streams that get him all of his views on UA-cam. Uploading multiple videos a day can also mess with the algorithm and how it suggest your videos to new people though Asmongold seems to do this anyway and still seems to do okay. However, I have seen that for many people adding live-streams to their channels when they have always been about video content can really hurt their growth overall so it might not be a bad idea to make a completely separate channel for live-streaming but then he wouldn't have the built up base of his main channel to encourage viewership. However, I still think this would be the best idea as most of his hardcore fans will immediately sub to the live channel so it'll shoot up to 100k subs no problem and then he won't have to cannibalize his main channel which has NEVER had live content be the focus so all of those fans can continue to watch the same types of videos they've become accustomed to and I'm sure this theoretical new live channel would grow quite well. But with all that being said, I honestly can't see Asmongold moving over to UA-cam unless not only him but his entire organization of OTK is offered a huge bag to bring over all of the talents so that they can all continue to do the same things but on UA-cam instead of Twitch.
There is only one thing that matters to me. And that is the lag on UA-cam live streams on my phone. Timthetatmans stream lags every 2 seconds now along with everyone else who moved to UA-cam. When their streams never did and peoples still don’t in twitch.
i laughed myself out when 5 seconds in, the title decided with a roulette
24:59 huh weird found myself in an asmongold video
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UA-cam should honestly start previewing streams on Google search engine results pages for certain keyterms.
Sykkuno, Lily, and Fuslie were HUGE pickups for UA-cam. Just think of how many people Lily introduced into a Twitch audience and they became massive.
Both Lily and Fuslie are massive talents, Twitch was dumb to try not to keep them on their platform.
I think people move from Twitch to UA-cam every day, you just don't notice it because it's smaller creators. Why would a large creator move to UA-cam without getting a bag? They know other creators their size are getting a bag for moving so why would they move without getting the same bag?
I wish another service like UA-cam or twitch would come out and overtake them both. Need a little more competition but generally people only want to use one or two different services for certain thingd
It’s the ever changing algorithm/arbitrary content creator guidelines not being enforced equally and fairly. This is why competitors like Rumble are steamrolling ahead with community growth and content.
If asmon switched to UA-cam I'd actually watch his streams. Love the guy but hate twitch as a platform so I stick to watching the highlights on UA-cam.
The thing is, the main way that twitch streamers grow nowadays is through UA-cam clips. Which means that most of their viewers are from UA-cam. And so if a twitch streamer starts to stream on the platform that most of their viewers are from, they are probably more likely to get a higher viewer count. Or at least that’s my reasoning
The thing is, senpai gaming/alpha gaming made the move on his own before tons of the big streamers moved.
Asmongold stop playing stupid, anything someone does for a living the best one is the one that pays the most. Welcome to the real world.
UA-cam will never fall out of relevance that's like saying Google will lose relevance.. the video search engine is directly tied to UA-cam meaning nobody will never not use UA-cam
I think there is a road where twitch can die off, but I feel a lot of things will need to fall into place for that to happen. It won't be as easy as UA-cam taking over Twitch's market, like how Walmart kills small business, it's more like a Dutch Bros opening next to a Starbucks.
People use UA-cam as casual time killer, much like instagram, just watching the first thing that catches your attention, then watch the next thing that catches attention. On twitch you watch a stream for the game or the streamer, often times as a secondary thing next to gaming
gaming yourself or doing housework or whatever. UA-cam is not optimized for hour long streams, it’s always about the next thing.
Ah, the futility of killing something that has a gun to it’s own head.
Anyone else got audio issues toward the end of the video?
twitch is killing twitch, i stopped watching it as much after their forced ad rolls, and at somepoint the player just stopped loading for me and i saw no point in trying to fix it and moved on.
Would be entertaining to see a majority move from Twitch to UA-cam only for Twitch to add benefits which makes UA-camrs move to Twitch, with some hooks for those who left it.
'' If UA-cam is so much better, how come people only move when they get paid..?'' Had me fkn dien.... So true..
I left Twitch for UA-cam. Everything in one place just seems convenient.
Twitch feels like cable tv sometimes
I never once have been on twitch..... ill just watch clips when im not at work
It's funny how much different UA-cam and twitch are to content creators. It's like moving to a new house for them.
UA-cam will always be better, able to adapt.
I'm sure in a a decade Twitch will be sold be amazon and bought by UA-cam or completely destroy it all together..
twitch unwilling to invest in a proper vod strategy and vod system back in the mid 2010s is definitely hindering them as new creators are definitely finding better long term growth on youtube
The only thing keeping streamers on twitch is that they are used to it, I can't think of anything that's better on twitch compared to youtube other than the culture.
Well if you’re following is on twitch there’s no reason to move. But people are going to start streaming on UA-cam from the start the more big names move over
people look on twitch when they have a lot of time. when you don't have much time you look up videos on youtube and don't have time to watch a live stream.
I don't really watch streams in general. The only time I go on twitch was to watch some sort of "event" or "gameshows" like the recent Camp Knut. However, I believe the only way Twitch will die is when it lost all of their viewership for some reason in the future and no new streamers come in. Sure all these creators move to youtube because they got paid the big bucks, but someone else would replace them later on. UA-cam mainly focuses on videos and Twitch is still dominating the streaming platform.