awesome stuff dude, this is almost what we had to do for our set up, although we are just using 30m of hose, very surprised with how well it actually pulls seeing as we didn't actually think we'd be low enough to get a good siphon flow going, we get enough flow to keep the bucket pretty full, just gotta get our 400+ft of supply now so we can actually get it working properly
That's good news. Sometimes flow rate can surprise you. The good thing about these purchases of pipe is that they should last for many years. Just the one time buy.
@@LandtoHouse yea that's definitely what we were planning, one time buy and done kinda thing, got plans to move the water even greater distances but luckily that is going to be something we can add in at a later date as it's not 100% essential right now (but we are definitely thinking about how to work it all in. We should have video on our pump up soon on our farm page too
@@LandtoHouse awesome would be good to have some feedback once it's done too. I'll be sure to send a link your way when it's up, will be uploaded to our farm channel rather than my personal
Thats good, I like watching your videos on ram pumps, my question is can in siphon up to 15 feet to increase head Will operate like normal ram pump with normal intake of 15 feet?
I'm not entirely certain the max height the siphon will work. This is about 4 feet in this example. I should expect it would still pull at 15 feet. Somewhere I heard that around 30 feet is Max for suction pump. As for whether or not it will function the same as without the siphon I've not gotten that far in testing.
the head on the falling side is cancelled out by the head on the rising side, it will operate like normal. you will also lose energy to friction in the pipe. but your setup might be useful if the water source is not close to a sink.
@@LandtoHouse Useful operating height for suction pumping is 25 ft, or less if operating at high altitude. 33ft or more height of fresh water and the suction has to draw a perfect vacuum without the water ever getting up to the pump, and above 25 gets too close to trying to draw a complete vacuum to be effective.
@@jllaine The water on the falling side of the siphoning system creates a vaccum at the top. The atmospheric pressure presses the water uphill on the rising side of the siphoning system. Hence, that only works as long as the atmospheric pressure is sufficient. We have roughly 1 bar or 14.5 psi of atmospheric pressure. That pressure is equivalent to the pressure at the base of a 9.8 meter or 32.2 feet heigh water column. And that is the maximum height until a siphoning system works at atmospheric pressure (1.01 bar or 14.5 psi or 101,325 Pascal / atmospheric pressure may vary depending on altitude and weather ;-) ).
Another way to look at it, use 2 buckets sitting at the same height, with a siphon established between them. They will level out to the same water height. Then If you add water to either bucket, the level in both rises, if you remove water from either, the level in both drops. The "head pressure" is the water level in the bucket, not the arched siphon above the buckets.
Hi, I was watching one of your videos on your ram pumps and you where testing the effect of the waist valve hight and was wondering what would happen if you lowered the valve just below the bottom of the drive pipe or even lower.
As the waste valve is lowered it gains more head pressure. Now if you have to use more fittings to do this it might cause more friction and would hinder the extra head pressure gain.
What if my pickup tube is at the bottom of a pond and I can't just reach down there and put a cap on it? I'm having a hard time getting a siphon started over my dam. I tried a stand pipe thinking if I cut off the valve at the bottom of my drive pipe and filled the stand pipe up, then opened the valved at the bottom back up, it would start drawing, but it's not working. I guess that's about the same thing as what you're showing here without the valve at the siphon point. I might just have to insert the drive pipe through the top of the dam (it's actually very small) and drop the drive pipe down a few inches into the actual pool instead of trying to siphon it over the top. Anyway..... I enjoy all your videos and want to try some of the more unusual setups to spread water on my little farm. :)
When the ram shuts close, the water hammer creates a positive pressure in the entire drive pipe (siphon in this case), so can we add an NRV, and take water out directly from the highest position of the siphon?
A question. Is it possible to siphon from a pond to a 90° angle downards to the ram pump? The 90° joint i would like to try is to a 4 feet height and down pipe of say 40 feet into a ram pump. Next question is, with the ram pump hammer pumping away, will the siphon stall or stop?
What if you had a siphon about 10ft high to a 55 Gal. Drum like a water tower and then drum feeds ram pump? Of course all would have to be air tight but could this work? Water sorce is 60 to 100 yards from where we need to get it and about 45 to 60 ft higher.
What if you used a check valve on the intake pipe, permanently attached, instead of the removable cap? It would allow much easier priming in a real world situation, if it would work.
Very good presentation, i would like to ask if its possible to siphon a deep well with foot valve? This means the source is way too deep maybe around 45 ft. Thank you and appreciate your reply
I'm wondering how I can make this work for my use. I would be draining and filling my pond. We have tried siphoning but the levee is too tall and the bayou is too high on the other side. So we have looked at the ram pump applications
I really want to use a ram pump for my needs, but i don't have head pressure. Does anyone have any idea to create an artificial head pressure? I'm planning on using a drum for a tank above my ram pump however I'm not sure how to keep water flow into the holding tank.
Yes, you can siphon for a while... eventually you will and up with air inside the pipe. As we all know fish are able to extract air from water , so water has air in it. There is a point in the siphon where the water is actually under vacuum, and it slowly pulls air out of the water creating the dreaded air bubbles inside the pipe.
What's the solution to this problem? My main issue is: the pond is below and the filling point is high, still water. Would siphon work or, do I need to dig a hole about 1 meter below water level and then place the ram pump under there? But then when water starts filling up in the hole..will it stop? How do I get rid of that water? Am I able to connect the waste water outlet and send it back to the pond?
This is not beneficial unless there is a need to move the water HIGHER than the original syphon. The flow would be orders of magnitude faster using just the syphon.
My ram pump operated with a siphons on the creek and it works great!
That's good news! Thank you for the feedback!
awesome stuff dude, this is almost what we had to do for our set up, although we are just using 30m of hose, very surprised with how well it actually pulls seeing as we didn't actually think we'd be low enough to get a good siphon flow going, we get enough flow to keep the bucket pretty full, just gotta get our 400+ft of supply now so we can actually get it working properly
That's good news. Sometimes flow rate can surprise you. The good thing about these purchases of pipe is that they should last for many years. Just the one time buy.
@@LandtoHouse yea that's definitely what we were planning, one time buy and done kinda thing, got plans to move the water even greater distances but luckily that is going to be something we can add in at a later date as it's not 100% essential right now (but we are definitely thinking about how to work it all in. We should have video on our pump up soon on our farm page too
I look forward to watching the video! I learn a lot from install videos.
@@LandtoHouse awesome would be good to have some feedback once it's done too. I'll be sure to send a link your way when it's up, will be uploaded to our farm channel rather than my personal
Yes please do send the link. I'd be happy to give my feedback
Thats good, I like watching your videos on ram pumps, my question is can in siphon up to 15 feet to increase head Will operate like normal ram pump with normal intake of 15 feet?
I'm not entirely certain the max height the siphon will work. This is about 4 feet in this example. I should expect it would still pull at 15 feet. Somewhere I heard that around 30 feet is Max for suction pump. As for whether or not it will function the same as without the siphon I've not gotten that far in testing.
the head on the falling side is cancelled out by the head on the rising side, it will operate like normal. you will also lose energy to friction in the pipe. but your setup might be useful if the water source is not close to a sink.
@@LandtoHouse Useful operating height for suction pumping is 25 ft, or less if operating at high altitude. 33ft or more height of fresh water and the suction has to draw a perfect vacuum without the water ever getting up to the pump, and above 25 gets too close to trying to draw a complete vacuum to be effective.
@@jllaine The water on the falling side of the siphoning system creates a vaccum at the top. The atmospheric pressure presses the water uphill on the rising side of the siphoning system. Hence, that only works as long as the atmospheric pressure is sufficient. We have roughly 1 bar or 14.5 psi of atmospheric pressure. That pressure is equivalent to the pressure at the base of a 9.8 meter or 32.2 feet heigh water column. And that is the maximum height until a siphoning system works at atmospheric pressure (1.01 bar or 14.5 psi or 101,325 Pascal / atmospheric pressure may vary depending on altitude and weather ;-) ).
Another way to look at it, use 2 buckets sitting at the same height, with a siphon established between them. They will level out to the same water height. Then If you add water to either bucket, the level in both rises, if you remove water from either, the level in both drops. The "head pressure" is the water level in the bucket, not the arched siphon above the buckets.
Very useful concept!
For sure! I have had countless emails about siphon starting for the ram pump.
So essentially you could do this to get more drop so you could pump farther up hill?
not really; the overall head would still be the same
Hi, I was watching one of your videos on your ram pumps and you where testing the effect of the waist valve hight and was wondering what would happen if you lowered the valve just below the bottom of the drive pipe or even lower.
As the waste valve is lowered it gains more head pressure. Now if you have to use more fittings to do this it might cause more friction and would hinder the extra head pressure gain.
Land to House yes thats kinda what i was thinking
What if my pickup tube is at the bottom of a pond and I can't just reach down there and put a cap on it? I'm having a hard time getting a siphon started over my dam. I tried a stand pipe thinking if I cut off the valve at the bottom of my drive pipe and filled the stand pipe up, then opened the valved at the bottom back up, it would start drawing, but it's not working. I guess that's about the same thing as what you're showing here without the valve at the siphon point. I might just have to insert the drive pipe through the top of the dam (it's actually very small) and drop the drive pipe down a few inches into the actual pool instead of trying to siphon it over the top. Anyway..... I enjoy all your videos and want to try some of the more unusual setups to spread water on my little farm. :)
It sounds like it would be better to siphon over the dam into a container which would then supply to the ram pump, correct?
Thanks
Thank you for watching.
When the ram shuts close, the water hammer creates a positive pressure in the entire drive pipe (siphon in this case), so can we add an NRV, and take water out directly from the highest position of the siphon?
A question.
Is it possible to siphon from a pond to a 90° angle downards to the ram pump?
The 90° joint i would like to try is to a 4 feet height and down pipe of say 40 feet into a ram pump.
Next question is, with the ram pump hammer pumping away, will the siphon stall or stop?
good demo. Thanks Seth.
Thank you. It answers a question that a lot of people ask.
What if you had a siphon about 10ft high to a 55 Gal. Drum like a water tower and then drum feeds ram pump? Of course all would have to be air tight but could this work? Water sorce is 60 to 100 yards from where we need to get it and about 45 to 60 ft higher.
Hello sir,i have 1 question that stil mesing in my mind,is 1 inch ram pump work by using a half inch drive pipe?using a syphon on a well?
Sir is it possible to river with almost no slope can siphon+ram pump works?
Can you put a line on it so the first check valve doesnt waist all that water? Like run it to a water trough or something
What if you used a check valve on the intake pipe, permanently attached, instead of the removable cap? It would allow much easier priming in a real world situation, if it would work.
Yes absolutely. For a permanent install that would be ideal.
Is it possible to deliver water at 100meter uphill?
How can we get this to work from a lake. We want to pump water from the lake up over a slope
Can we use this concept to vertical hydroponics?
Is it possible to use a check valve or foot valve instead of a end cap for the pipe?
Very good presentation, i would like to ask if its possible to siphon a deep well with foot valve? This means the source is way too deep maybe around 45 ft. Thank you and appreciate your reply
In order to siphon you need to have and output that is lower than the input. So if you have a place downhill from your well you could siphon
@@LandtoHouse .. dont have a place down hill.. anyway thank you for the fast reply.. really appreciated. 😊😊😊
Wells are tricky. An electric pump is probably the easiest way
@@LandtoHouse yes i think so, i was very amazed of your ram pump, that i forgot the rules of gravity 😂
I'm wondering how I can make this work for my use. I would be draining and filling my pond. We have tried siphoning but the levee is too tall and the bayou is too high on the other side. So we have looked at the ram pump applications
Can you regulate flow on delivery side for a more controlled flow?
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I really want to use a ram pump for my needs, but i don't have head pressure. Does anyone have any idea to create an artificial head pressure? I'm planning on using a drum for a tank above my ram pump however I'm not sure how to keep water flow into the holding tank.
Yes, you can siphon for a while... eventually you will and up with air inside the pipe.
As we all know fish are able to extract air from water , so water has air in it.
There is a point in the siphon where the water is actually under vacuum, and it slowly pulls air out of the water creating the dreaded air bubbles inside the pipe.
What's the solution to this problem? My main issue is: the pond is below and the filling point is high, still water. Would siphon work or, do I need to dig a hole about 1 meter below water level and then place the ram pump under there? But then when water starts filling up in the hole..will it stop? How do I get rid of that water? Am I able to connect the waste water outlet and send it back to the pond?
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Is it possible to run this ram pump in a closed loop?
Not for very long. Because the wastewater is approximately 90% all the water will be at the bottom very quickly.
Step 1 is ram pump must work without siphon.. If the elevation fall cannot start the pump you cant add siphon to make it work..
This is not beneficial unless there is a need to move the water HIGHER than the original syphon. The flow would be orders of magnitude faster using just the syphon.