One thing that was missed by many people is Feather's interaction with replacement effects - specifically in the case of Flashback/Aftermath and Rebound etc. When you cast a card for its flashback cost, it would normaly go into your exile instead of the graveyard upon resolution. Feather gives the card another instance of "put it into exile instead of the graveyard", allowing you to pick which of these replacement effects to resolve (hers)- effectively buying back any cards with flashback and similar mechanics.
The latest videos from DJ also missed creativity, seems like he's just filtering the edhrec list a bit ... Didn't see a creative build in a long time on this channel :/
This makes Past in Flames an auto-include. One can't count on Feather to recur every spell of yours. Some will fizzle, some will be discarded at EoT, and sometimes one actually has to use that Path to Exile on an opponent's creature. ;-)
Guys, I've said it before in other comment sections on Feather, I'll say it again: If you play Feather, play Veilstone Amulet. She loves and NEEDS that card. EDIT: Also, Charmbreaker Devils. Expedite + Rile + Guided Strike = 17/3 hasty, first striking trampler. Draw three cards. Smash face. Repeat next turn.
In line with the thought process you were on with Chaos Warp and Path to Exile, I run Torchling in my deck for it's ability R: Change the target of target spell that targets only Changeling. You can use this to target Torchling with your Path or Chaos Warp or other removal spells, get the Feather trigger, then redirect the removal at the thing you actually want gone. Last time i did this i cast Path to Exile 6 times before someone finally got tired of my nonsense. :)
I love how you included heroic as a possible inclusion. I was thinking of going that route to try and make something outside the box. you are always a step ahead well done DJ.
Another deck type you didn’t mention. White got some cards with prowess and prowess-adjacent abilities in the Tarkir block. So it’s possibly better than heroic as you target one creature, and then another gets the benefit too. I think it would be fun to do a combination of heroic and prowess for her deck.
Stand Firm might be a good addition to the card draw package, allowing us to repeatedly scry: 2 for one white mana. Reckless Rage should be really good, since it's so mana efficient and comes back to our hand. --- My own feather draft so far includes twelve pieces of protection, basically I always want one in the opening hand. Otherwise someone is going to kill Feather in response to the first can trip I play. Making it fizzle and not come back, as it never resolves? Getting us stranded like that early on is probably the best way to keep us in check. Protection from [color] would be my favorite mode of protection, as it doesn't fizzle our can trips. Something like Cloudshift would protect Feather, but the cantrip would fizzle. Indestructible is also nice, as it stops some board wipes which protection does not. Apostle's Blessing, Blessed Breath, Cloudshift, Eerie Interlude, Emerge Unscathed, Ephemeral Shields, Faith's Shield, God's Willing, Leave // Chance, Shelter, Sheltering Light, Stave Off. Gameplan / Curve: [Turn 0] Keep a hand with 1 protection spell, 3-4 mana, preferably 1 cantrip [Turn 1] Wait / play tapland [Turn 2] Ramp to WWWR (neither Feather nor one-mana spells can use colorless) [Turn 3] Cast Feather, leaving one mana up to protect her [Turn 4] Start drawing cards, removing threats with instants like Reckless Rage [Turn ?] Use spellslinger payoff cards to win With the protection package and 1 mana can trips, the deck ends up needing mostly white mana. So I replaced most of my mountains with 2 or 5 color lands, allowing me to quickly have the full WWWWW needed to cantrip four times in a row and hold up protection.
Amulet of vigor is also fantastic, as if you flicker a solemn every turn, or path your own tokens, amulet turns a pretty good interaction into something broke
i try really hard not to post this on every video. but i didnt do it on the last one, so... we love you! your deck techs and your enthusiasm are the best :)
My Gisela deck is getting a overhaul. Finally. Can not wait to pull this card this weekend. I’ll be doing 6 pre release games and already bought and paid for a buy a box promo. Your deck techs are incredible. We seem to share play styles and have very similar strategies and game play styles. Very much enjoy your channel. Huge fan. Thanks for a lot of ideas I over looked!
I don't think I've ever been this excited for a commander! We finally are getting a good Boros commander! It's three mana, It's unique, it opens up to a new strategy, It does something different for Boros, it has card advantage, and can be protected well! I just built a Iroas deck too! Well I guess I'm building this one and taking Iroas apart.
I LOVE your honesty about the card, you are able to pull back and give it an ubiased view. I also just love your build style, you have some great deck techs, and I LOVED your idea for a General Taziri Enchantment build. Now I'm curious to see what you do with the new Niv Mizzet
i love Feather and im super excited for this deck, but something that some people ive talked to missed on her card; the cantrip returns at your endstep. still really good, but you cant path to exile (for ex) 6ish times in one turn and ramp to a million. just something to keep in mind
don't forget, feather makes etb value boros a thing. a lot of flicker/blink effects (which additionally protect feather) and value creatures, feli guardian and friends and whooops is that kiki-jiki?
Piggybacking off of this, creatures like Kor Cartographer and Solemn Simulacrum are well worth it if you have a blink/flicker strategy, since they'll ramp, and - in the case of sad Solemn - help fix, even if it's a little slow
I think im going to go with a go wide heroic approach with things that get value, and im glad you mentioned precursor golem because i completely forgot about it.
Mizzium tank from war of the sparks is a great include in the deck Powerss like effect where you cast a noncreature spell it gets plus one plus one and becomes a artifact creature so you don't have to crew it anymore and if casting 4 or 5 he's getting + 5 + 5 and has trample
402 Gaming he has indeed played, but we want to see how an actual game could play out, specifically goldfishing I would guess. I doubt he actually has this deck out together and it’d take a lot of work to do that, but it would be nice to see. I know he goldfished his elf deck on one video though. I’m wondering how you make sure to always have a creature to be able to use these pump spells or cantrips on.
I'd use dreadhorde arcanist for when you run out of room in your hand or lose feather and your spells go to the grave. That way you can still get value out of them 1 more time.
@@kevinlanuk89 Technically yes, it can. Arcanist exiles the card on resolution, but so does Feather. As a result of two of your replacement effects applying, you get to choose which one applies, so you can have Feather's effect exile the card rather than the Arcanist's, and get it back on end step.
Yeah... definitely sliding my paradox engine and unwinding clock out of my Tawnos deck into my feather deck with every boros rock I have. Plus a home for my 2nd smothering tithe and sunforger... and thanks for reminding me about mirrorwing dragon... he is sitting in my edh box but I would have missed it probably.
A fun interaction worth noting is zada plus righteous glory. It only targets zada then anthems the team, repeat for every creature. Adds up super quick
Some other great cards for Feather: Seize the Day (for extra combats, and it targets so it recurs), Rally the Righteous (Feather works well with Radiance, and this works well with Seize to untap your other creatures), Bathe in Light (Radiance again), Heaven's Gate and Dwarven Song (super old cards that turn any number of target creatures mono-White for one W or mono-Red for one R respectively, works great with Bathe in Light or any other "protection from color of your choice" cards to make things essentially unblockable), Primal Amulet (can flip super fast thanks to you already casting 1-2 mana cantrips on everyone's turn), Electrodominance (cast on your own tokens to give pretty much anything in your hand flash), Fall of the Hammer / Soul's Fire / Tail Slash (for instant-speed one-sided fight-like removal), Valor Made Real (along with indes combat tricks to let you block any number of creatures) And most spicy tech of all: *Fiery Gambit* (no matter how many flips you do, it still always targets a creature, so it always comes back to your hand)
It's maybe worth mentioning that, if you have a lot of mana to spare (say, table wheeling after a Smothering Tithe) that Akroan Conscriptor, a cantrip, and Path lets you threaten a creature, then turn it into a land. Alternatively, Cloudshift lets you steal that creature permanently.
I'd add Orim's Thunder for some pin point removal, and long as you redirect damage to a token you control, you get to return that card to your hand later.
especially if you want to go the storm route that he included artifact ramp and paradox might be very good although you need to make sure to have enough colored mana artifact ramp ofcourse but with how cheap most of the spells are it shouldn't be to hard
Zada and Mirrorwing are the reason I want to build this deck but I feel like Precursor Golem is too specialized to include. Thank you for directing me to Prowess triggers though. I've never had a deck that used them so they basically don't exist to me.
As boros has been my favorite guild since original Ravnica I see this as more than a Feather-deck! It is finally an option to play some of mye favorite "Bad-cards" without sitting every turn topdecking and heaving no options. Here I actually ditch the Guttersnipe, Thermo Alchemists and the like for cards like "Razia, Boros Archangel" and "Agrus Kos". My deck is fun, and I love beeing able to run some of these cards, while still sticking to must haves like Kor carthographer, sword of the animist, anax and cymede and the like. :) I build from what I have, and as mye favorite card since 2004 happens to be Sunforger(I own a lot of them) this deck is perfect. Is it just me or is this one of the decks(together with Animar) that Sol Ring is not a really good card. Coloured mana is so important if the commander has all colours in the casting cost I think. Cheers!
Add isochron scepter imprinting boros charm makes you stuff unpopable and other cards imprinted on isochron scepter to fun stuff. Runechanter pike. All instant/sorceries hitting grave powers up your creature (when you have no max hand size or etc.)
Excellent video as always, but when i was searching in the heroic's rules, i find this : "Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability." Because heroic need the spell to be cast on the creature, and the spell copied by zada or the mirrorwing dragon isn't cast, maybe taking too many heroic isn't that great, no ? I was asking myself because i want to build a feather deck and i am not convince by the heroic cards.
not sure whether you mean it' s great or just wacky. It's good, because you can ramp yourself in Boros. It's bad because you use removal on your own creature (you get it back but still the table know you have it). Conclusion: You can ramp in Boros by using removal on your own creatures. That's completely weird, but to reach a mechanic in colours that doesn't allow that mechanic you have to play weird. And that you can still achieve that on this specific way is great :D
I was hyped initially with Feather, but then I started noticing similar things to what you mentioned at the start. I see Feather having a similar problem to Depala. She is card advantage in Boros, but the deck doesn't really seem to have much of an end game. (Although the advent of Parhelion 2 has changed my tune on that some). I'll wait and see just how good Feather is. If she is, then I might replace Firesong and Sunspeaker with her. I need to be convinced.
Vincent Werts . You need to play a clear win-con. Here is a discussion about this problem on Reddit. reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/bgm3vs/so_how_you_are_planning_on_winning_with_feather/
I think the main problem is that people are so hyped to finally be able to draw tons of cards in Boros that they go crazy with those cantrips and forget about bombs. Bandage or Defiant Strike are NEVER worth running in an EDH deck (though Expedite, Guided Strike and Shelter are quite good). I've brewed a control-ish deck which makes good use of Feather's ability, but also runs some bombs that can win the game. Didn't test it yet though.
Feather doesn't need bombs you just play the same offensive buffs on evasion creatures and smash their face. The ability makes meh cards fantastic. How is huge power unblockable creatures not a wincondition?
I went with the heroic creatures + some spells that target your creatures but don't kill them. not sure what your average CMC is, but mine is just above 2.0 so its really low, which is my land count is really low. I need to test it to see if I need to put more lands in. I only have 31. the reason I don't have mirror wing dragon in the deck is that it can pump up our opponent's creatures too. if they have a huge army can cast titantc growth on the dragon, it gets +4/+4, but so does every creature in their army. Zada only affects your creatures, so I have that one in my deck.
Puffin Entertainment - One Handed Gaming, the thing about that is that most people don't play combat tricks in edh. They also don't get to bounce it back to their hand like it does with feather. Also, with this deck it's possible to use something like shelter to negate their spell. There are enough tricks in this deck to overcome a lot of instances that you're talking about. The fringe cases of an opponent winning the game off of your mirrorwing isn't worth not including it in a go wide strategy build of this deck.
Always keep at least 2 protection spells castable when you pass turn, preferably 1 indestructible and 1 protection from the color of your choice. I need to focus my Feather deck. I'm split between all 3 styles Also I have several heroic creatures that only benefit themselves which is kind of a waste. I think I'm going to commit more to the Voltron angle, but keep enough go wide stuff to help protect my life total, but I gotta cut Goblin Slide. Goblin Slide looks nice, but having to pay mana for each for gobbo is more taxing than it sounds, it often prevents another spell or 2 from being cast.
0:46 Nope the card will not go straight back to your hand but in the end step. Meaning you can't buff your creatures x amount of time before the damage is dealt but only once. It is a weaker form of for buyback.
Brash taunter, Stuffy doll, coalhauler swine, spitemare, mogg maniac, exetera. Indestructible equipment. Large damage to creatures and double damage enchantments. Deal damage tonyour own creatures repeatedly to kill opponents while they can't attack you safely or take out your creatures bevause or repeatable protection cantrips. You are protected. Just built this deck, and it's very good, deadly AF. Almost acts like a control deck. 👌
If we're going to be running Ajani's Influence in this deck then we may as well run Sarkhan's Dragonfire since it practically does the same thing for one extra mana, except it deals 3 damage to Feather instead of adding +1/+1 counters which isn't a problem thanks to her 4 toughness.
how do you feel about Launch the Fleet with Feather? Strength of arms might be fun for those equipment based feather decks. Primal Amulet can save mana on instants, doesn't have to be transformed, and if someone tries to destroy it you can just transform it to a land right then. i love your path to exile on your own tokens strat.
@@hiddenleaf414 So you are playing Feather, You have Mirror wing, they cast Vindicate, unless you have Cloudshift in your hand, all of your creatures are now exiled.
Dillon Teeko ehh I would say equal. My friend has a pretty competitive Zada deck that can win on turn 5 but he needs the hand for it. But ive played 11 games with my Feather deck and kill 2-3 players in one turn with commander damage when they have no commander damage on them is very easy, so also explosive.
@@hiddenleaf414 will you share your decklist please. Im honestly struggling on which direction to take my feather deck. I currently focua on combo wincon but its weak against creature based opponents
aris in wonderland I actually havent played Feather in a long time, I rarely even play my 2 color decks anymore. But some cards to help against combat based decks that I recall are: Ghostly Prison, Silent Arbiter, Palace Guard, Brave the Sands (So Feather has Vigilance), Stuffy Doll, Favored Hoplite, Soul Snare. These are off the top of my head.
Terrain Generator's main weakness is that, if you want to use it on an opponent's turn, it leaves much less mana open to cantrip on their turn, which is the core of the deck. Late game a Terrain Generator can ramp with excess mana, but by that time ramp is less valuable. Personally I'd suggest a creature that ramps on EtB or LtB, like Kor Cartographer, Solemn Simulacrum, or Boreas Charger. This gets you a land and a body in play, which can be targeted with your other cantrips. Alternatively, Pathing a token each turn (with something like Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor in play) can also ramp a ton, but that's also pretty mana intensive. Hope this helps :)
Hey Jumbo, I know Commander is your thing, but you should really try Oathbreaker! It's pretty similar to Commander but it gives a different sort of feeling. I really enjoy it as a change of pace!
Some guys in my playgroup are getting interested in the format, any suggestions as far as ramp and deck building guidelines? I expect it to be both similar yet different than commander itself.
@@ethanwiggen3567 Hey, sorry for not replying immediately. It's pretty similar to commander, but games are generally faster. Cheap mana costs and better mana curves are more important in Oathbreaker than they are in casual commander. Keep that in mind.
Bath In Light seems like an obvious inclusion in this sort of deck and I don't see it in the list or when you go over protection spells, but I know you've considered how crazy radiance mechanics spells are with Feather as board wide effects you can use over and over. I'd compare it directly to Shelter in terms of if it's playable: it doesn't cantrip, sure, but it will protect most or all of your board from the color of your choice each cast instead of just Feather, which I have to believe it going to be extremely clutch in many situations. Given you have enough cantrips generally so as to have 1 or 2 in your hand most games by turn 3-4, it seems prudent to have some reusable spells that are more about a really strong reusable effect instead of just more card draw. After all, after a certain point you will want to have better things to do than just cast cheap cantrips to draw more cards because you will have a full grip of cards you want to cast for their effects rather than just to draw cards with spare mana.
I recently build a Feather Deck, I'm still building it tbh. And i tell you Rally the Righteous (10:10) is just bad. Very expensive for just a little attack bonus unless you go wide. That being said, it's fine in a going wide strategy, but in a voltron build like mine it's just the worst //Sunforger 9 Dollar wtf? In Europe you get it for a few cents
Thankfully I managed to nab a Sunforger before the spike in price for 81 cents. I was pretty happy to get that before the price jumped. There is no way the price will hold. There were assholes around where I live trying to "invest" in Sunforgers and bought all of them in the local shops. I hope they all lose money on that.
Balduvian rage and psychotic fury used to be literally pennies, now they're $5 and $3 respectively. Good grief... Also, strongarm monk is pretty huge in this deck if you're going wide.
Downhill Charge isn't that good outside mono red; you might want to give Fists of the Anvil a try instead. And Test of Faith is far superior to Scars of the Veteran imho.
Thermo deals one addicional damage everyturn. And if you lose your commander and didnt cast anything, he still pings. Wich is usually more likely than being able to attack for 2
Dakota McIntire The deck is designed around replaying 1-2 mana instants that get you more value. In my 11 games with Feather there was never a time I would want to lose my hand. The decks average cmc is between 2-3 so the extra mana isnt that big from Tithe.
I don't like that you identified Feather weaknesses but offered no ways of building her differently. The rest of the video is what we have seen everywhere.
@@TheMrGazoline Niv Reborn Is another food chain tazri. U almost never should cast it by the time you win unless you run out of gas. It's not slow, it's a turn 2-4 win commander. Its top tier of all commanders out there and consistent.
i have like most of my first non precon edh deck now. only a few war specific pieces and the commander are missing. will definetely change it up a bit, based on the video
One thing that was missed by many people is Feather's interaction with replacement effects - specifically in the case of Flashback/Aftermath and Rebound etc.
When you cast a card for its flashback cost, it would normaly go into your exile instead of the graveyard upon resolution.
Feather gives the card another instance of "put it into exile instead of the graveyard", allowing you to pick which of these replacement effects to resolve (hers)- effectively buying back any cards with flashback and similar mechanics.
This should also affect Aftermath cards, right? Namely Onward//Victory.
This makes for some nice recursion with Dreadhorde Arcanist
@@GoldStorm07 It'll work with any targeted card that exiles itself on resolution
The latest videos from DJ also missed creativity, seems like he's just filtering the edhrec list a bit ... Didn't see a creative build in a long time on this channel :/
This makes Past in Flames an auto-include. One can't count on Feather to recur every spell of yours. Some will fizzle, some will be discarded at EoT, and sometimes one actually has to use that Path to Exile on an opponent's creature. ;-)
Guys, I've said it before in other comment sections on Feather, I'll say it again:
If you play Feather, play Veilstone Amulet. She loves and NEEDS that card.
EDIT: Also, Charmbreaker Devils.
Expedite + Rile + Guided Strike = 17/3 hasty, first striking trampler. Draw three cards. Smash face. Repeat next turn.
Omg veilstone amulet is busted with feather 😂
OMG that's awesome!
I actually just swapped out my lightning greaves for a veilstone amulet after realizing that shroud is the last thing you want in a feather deck lol
In line with the thought process you were on with Chaos Warp and Path to Exile, I run Torchling in my deck for it's ability R: Change the target of target spell that targets only Changeling. You can use this to target Torchling with your Path or Chaos Warp or other removal spells, get the Feather trigger, then redirect the removal at the thing you actually want gone. Last time i did this i cast Path to Exile 6 times before someone finally got tired of my nonsense. :)
Does that mean though that opponent gets to search their library for a land? Just curious...
@@Acepilot12345 yes
Thermo-Alchemist + Paradise Mantle = All your one cost instants are virtually free.
Im definitely going to play her with a lot of spellslinger synergy like guttersnipe and bone scepter.
0:16 lmao sunforger and magnetic theft's art fits so well. Feather is MTG's Thor I'm calling it right now
I love how you included heroic as a possible inclusion. I was thinking of going that route to try and make something outside the box. you are always a step ahead well done DJ.
Another deck type you didn’t mention. White got some cards with prowess and prowess-adjacent abilities in the Tarkir block. So it’s possibly better than heroic as you target one creature, and then another gets the benefit too. I think it would be fun to do a combination of heroic and prowess for her deck.
Stand Firm might be a good addition to the card draw package, allowing us to repeatedly scry: 2 for one white mana.
Reckless Rage should be really good, since it's so mana efficient and comes back to our hand.
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My own feather draft so far includes twelve pieces of protection, basically I always want one in the opening hand. Otherwise someone is going to kill Feather in response to the first can trip I play. Making it fizzle and not come back, as it never resolves? Getting us stranded like that early on is probably the best way to keep us in check.
Protection from [color] would be my favorite mode of protection, as it doesn't fizzle our can trips. Something like Cloudshift would protect Feather, but the cantrip would fizzle. Indestructible is also nice, as it stops some board wipes which protection does not.
Apostle's Blessing, Blessed Breath, Cloudshift, Eerie Interlude, Emerge Unscathed, Ephemeral Shields, Faith's Shield, God's Willing, Leave // Chance, Shelter, Sheltering Light, Stave Off.
Gameplan / Curve:
[Turn 0] Keep a hand with 1 protection spell, 3-4 mana, preferably 1 cantrip
[Turn 1] Wait / play tapland
[Turn 2] Ramp to WWWR (neither Feather nor one-mana spells can use colorless)
[Turn 3] Cast Feather, leaving one mana up to protect her
[Turn 4] Start drawing cards, removing threats with instants like Reckless Rage
[Turn ?] Use spellslinger payoff cards to win
With the protection package and 1 mana can trips, the deck ends up needing mostly white mana. So I replaced most of my mountains with 2 or 5 color lands, allowing me to quickly have the full WWWWW needed to cantrip four times in a row and hold up protection.
Amulet of vigor is also fantastic, as if you flicker a solemn every turn, or path your own tokens, amulet turns a pretty good interaction into something broke
i try really hard not to post this on every video. but i didnt do it on the last one, so... we love you! your deck techs and your enthusiasm are the best :)
My Gisela deck is getting a overhaul. Finally. Can not wait to pull this card this weekend. I’ll be doing 6 pre release games and already bought and paid for a buy a box promo.
Your deck techs are incredible. We seem to share play styles and have very similar strategies and game play styles. Very much enjoy your channel. Huge fan. Thanks for a lot of ideas I over looked!
Thanks for posting! I am so excited to finish building this deck and your video, like always, gave me some cool card ideas!
I don't think I've ever been this excited for a commander! We finally are getting a good Boros commander! It's three mana, It's unique, it opens up to a new strategy, It does something different for Boros, it has card advantage, and can be protected well! I just built a Iroas deck too! Well I guess I'm building this one and taking Iroas apart.
I LOVE your honesty about the card, you are able to pull back and give it an ubiased view. I also just love your build style, you have some great deck techs, and I LOVED your idea for a General Taziri Enchantment build. Now I'm curious to see what you do with the new Niv Mizzet
i love Feather and im super excited for this deck, but something that some people ive talked to missed on her card; the cantrip returns at your endstep. still really good, but you cant path to exile (for ex) 6ish times in one turn and ramp to a million.
just something to keep in mind
The beginning of each endstep still means 4 times per turn cycle which is insanely good in boros.
don't forget, feather makes etb value boros a thing.
a lot of flicker/blink effects (which additionally protect feather) and value creatures, feli guardian and friends and whooops is that kiki-jiki?
Heat Shimmer would be a good way to get those ETB triggers
Good call. I like that approach.
Piggybacking off of this, creatures like Kor Cartographer and Solemn Simulacrum are well worth it if you have a blink/flicker strategy, since they'll ramp, and - in the case of sad Solemn - help fix, even if it's a little slow
That's the way I built Feather and I really like how unique it is compared to the usual Spellslinger Feathers
@@MasterQuestMaster Do you have a tappedOut list? Very interested in this build
I think im going to go with a go wide heroic approach with things that get value, and im glad you mentioned precursor golem because i completely forgot about it.
Mizzium tank from war of the sparks is a great include in the deck Powerss like effect where you cast a noncreature spell it gets plus one plus one and becomes a artifact creature so you don't have to crew it anymore and if casting 4 or 5 he's getting + 5 + 5 and has trample
You should start making commander gameplays :)
He plays 2 games on the command zone.
402 Gaming he has indeed played, but we want to see how an actual game could play out, specifically goldfishing I would guess. I doubt he actually has this deck out together and it’d take a lot of work to do that, but it would be nice to see. I know he goldfished his elf deck on one video though.
I’m wondering how you make sure to always have a creature to be able to use these pump spells or cantrips on.
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I'd use dreadhorde arcanist for when you run out of room in your hand or lose feather and your spells go to the grave. That way you can still get value out of them 1 more time.
If you have the arcanist out and feather, can feather get the cards back from arcanist and into your hand?
@@kevinlanuk89 Technically yes, it can.
Arcanist exiles the card on resolution, but so does Feather. As a result of two of your replacement effects applying, you get to choose which one applies, so you can have Feather's effect exile the card rather than the Arcanist's, and get it back on end step.
Yeah... definitely sliding my paradox engine and unwinding clock out of my Tawnos deck into my feather deck with every boros rock I have. Plus a home for my 2nd smothering tithe and sunforger... and thanks for reminding me about mirrorwing dragon... he is sitting in my edh box but I would have missed it probably.
A fun interaction worth noting is zada plus righteous glory. It only targets zada then anthems the team, repeat for every creature. Adds up super quick
the new kranko is feathers best friend
if you want go wide go for the creature that makes 1/1s equal to its power
Great video as always ❤️❤️❤️
I've been waiting for this :D THANKS!
Some other great cards for Feather:
Seize the Day (for extra combats, and it targets so it recurs), Rally the Righteous (Feather works well with Radiance, and this works well with Seize to untap your other creatures), Bathe in Light (Radiance again), Heaven's Gate and Dwarven Song (super old cards that turn any number of target creatures mono-White for one W or mono-Red for one R respectively, works great with Bathe in Light or any other "protection from color of your choice" cards to make things essentially unblockable), Primal Amulet (can flip super fast thanks to you already casting 1-2 mana cantrips on everyone's turn), Electrodominance (cast on your own tokens to give pretty much anything in your hand flash), Fall of the Hammer / Soul's Fire / Tail Slash (for instant-speed one-sided fight-like removal), Valor Made Real (along with indes combat tricks to let you block any number of creatures)
And most spicy tech of all: *Fiery Gambit* (no matter how many flips you do, it still always targets a creature, so it always comes back to your hand)
Kari Zev’s Expertise + Zada (or Mirrorwing Dragon)
My jaw dropped. I can actually play this Boros deck. This is great.
It's maybe worth mentioning that, if you have a lot of mana to spare (say, table wheeling after a Smothering Tithe) that Akroan Conscriptor, a cantrip, and Path lets you threaten a creature, then turn it into a land. Alternatively, Cloudshift lets you steal that creature permanently.
I'd add Orim's Thunder for some pin point removal, and long as you redirect damage to a token you control, you get to return that card to your hand later.
i would add the artifact ramp package + paradox... just to make the things a bit more nasty.
especially if you want to go the storm route that he included artifact ramp and paradox might be very good although you need to make sure to have enough colored mana artifact ramp ofcourse but with how cheap most of the spells are it shouldn't be to hard
Eduardo Marquez but that’s really boring
Any thoughts on an updated list seeing as lots of neat things have come out for this recently.
Why no mention of red removal, like dmg divide on any targets?
Scroll of the masters is just so amazing in a Feather deck
Zada and Mirrorwing are the reason I want to build this deck but I feel like Precursor Golem is too specialized to include. Thank you for directing me to Prowess triggers though. I've never had a deck that used them so they basically don't exist to me.
As boros has been my favorite guild since original Ravnica I see this as more than a Feather-deck! It is finally an option to play some of mye favorite "Bad-cards" without sitting every turn topdecking and heaving no options. Here I actually ditch the Guttersnipe, Thermo Alchemists and the like for cards like "Razia, Boros Archangel" and "Agrus Kos". My deck is fun, and I love beeing able to run some of these cards, while still sticking to must haves like Kor carthographer, sword of the animist, anax and cymede and the like. :) I build from what I have, and as mye favorite card since 2004 happens to be Sunforger(I own a lot of them) this deck is perfect.
Is it just me or is this one of the decks(together with Animar) that Sol Ring is not a really good card. Coloured mana is so important if the commander has all colours in the casting cost I think.
Cheers!
Add isochron scepter imprinting boros charm makes you stuff unpopable and other cards imprinted on isochron scepter to fun stuff.
Runechanter pike. All instant/sorceries hitting grave powers up your creature (when you have no max hand size or etc.)
Excellent video as always, but when i was searching in the heroic's rules, i find this : "Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability." Because heroic need the spell to be cast on the creature, and the spell copied by zada or the mirrorwing dragon isn't cast, maybe taking too many heroic isn't that great, no ? I was asking myself because i want to build a feather deck and i am not convince by the heroic cards.
Funniest part about this deck, it will more than likely be a BUDGET deck naturally
False; everything remotely decent for her has drastically spiked in price. If you didn't already get in, two weeks ago, you're too late.
@@JS-wk4oe I was mainly talking about the cantrips.
You know, the MAIN BULK of the deck?
Justin it’s true most of the food instant and sorcery cards with her the big bulk of the deck is commons and uncommons so for an edh deck it’s cheap
@@peewee130946 i know it is, i already had a Zada deck but this looks like it might give up some speed for a lot more resilience
@@JS-wk4oe That usually happens when you add white to mono red. ;-)
Path to exile on tokens ramp lmao
not sure whether you mean it' s great or just wacky. It's good, because you can ramp yourself in Boros. It's bad because you use removal on your own creature (you get it back but still the table know you have it). Conclusion: You can ramp in Boros by using removal on your own creatures. That's completely weird, but to reach a mechanic in colours that doesn't allow that mechanic you have to play weird. And that you can still achieve that on this specific way is great :D
So what do you think of the whole path young pyromancer interaction Josh pointed out, jus a pipe dream or actually real?
Played Feather at my LGS last night. It's very real.
Heroic most definitely seems like a very powerful direction to take I like it
I was hyped initially with Feather, but then I started noticing similar things to what you mentioned at the start. I see Feather having a similar problem to Depala. She is card advantage in Boros, but the deck doesn't really seem to have much of an end game. (Although the advent of Parhelion 2 has changed my tune on that some). I'll wait and see just how good Feather is. If she is, then I might replace Firesong and Sunspeaker with her. I need to be convinced.
Vincent Werts . You need to play a clear win-con. Here is a discussion about this problem on Reddit.
reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/bgm3vs/so_how_you_are_planning_on_winning_with_feather/
I think the main problem is that people are so hyped to finally be able to draw tons of cards in Boros that they go crazy with those cantrips and forget about bombs. Bandage or Defiant Strike are NEVER worth running in an EDH deck (though Expedite, Guided Strike and Shelter are quite good).
I've brewed a control-ish deck which makes good use of Feather's ability, but also runs some bombs that can win the game. Didn't test it yet though.
Feather doesn't need bombs you just play the same offensive buffs on evasion creatures and smash their face. The ability makes meh cards fantastic. How is huge power unblockable creatures not a wincondition?
I went with the heroic creatures + some spells that target your creatures but don't kill them. not sure what your average CMC is, but mine is just above 2.0 so its really low, which is my land count is really low. I need to test it to see if I need to put more lands in. I only have 31.
the reason I don't have mirror wing dragon in the deck is that it can pump up our opponent's creatures too. if they have a huge army can cast titantc growth on the dragon, it gets +4/+4, but so does every creature in their army. Zada only affects your creatures, so I have that one in my deck.
Puffin Entertainment - One Handed Gaming, the thing about that is that most people don't play combat tricks in edh. They also don't get to bounce it back to their hand like it does with feather. Also, with this deck it's possible to use something like shelter to negate their spell. There are enough tricks in this deck to overcome a lot of instances that you're talking about. The fringe cases of an opponent winning the game off of your mirrorwing isn't worth not including it in a go wide strategy build of this deck.
You forgot that Balefire Liege's ability can target Planeswalkers as well, making it even better.
Where is the primal amulet?
I am adding "Survive the Night" for investigate and cheap
Always keep at least 2 protection spells castable when you pass turn, preferably 1 indestructible and 1 protection from the color of your choice.
I need to focus my Feather deck. I'm split between all 3 styles Also I have several heroic creatures that only benefit themselves which is kind of a waste. I think I'm going to commit more to the Voltron angle, but keep enough go wide stuff to help protect my life total, but I gotta cut Goblin Slide. Goblin Slide looks nice, but having to pay mana for each for gobbo is more taxing than it sounds, it often prevents another spell or 2 from being cast.
I also can’t wait to be the guy at my lgs who path to exiles tokens for ramp. Oh man this guna be an epic deck
What about snowlands and scrying sheets?
This Commander made me so much money from my folder full of sunforgers
0:46 Nope the card will not go straight back to your hand but in the end step. Meaning you can't buff your creatures x amount of time before the damage is dealt but only once. It is a weaker form of for buyback.
New playersl here. How would you upgrade it now with warspark out, Modern Horizons out and M20 coming up.
Brash taunter, Stuffy doll, coalhauler swine, spitemare, mogg maniac, exetera. Indestructible equipment. Large damage to creatures and double damage enchantments. Deal damage tonyour own creatures repeatedly to kill opponents while they can't attack you safely or take out your creatures bevause or repeatable protection cantrips. You are protected. Just built this deck, and it's very good, deadly AF. Almost acts like a control deck. 👌
If we're going to be running Ajani's Influence in this deck then we may as well run Sarkhan's Dragonfire since it practically does the same thing for one extra mana, except it deals 3 damage to Feather instead of adding +1/+1 counters which isn't a problem thanks to her 4 toughness.
how do you feel about Launch the Fleet with Feather? Strength of arms might be fun for those equipment based feather decks.
Primal Amulet can save mana on instants, doesn't have to be transformed, and if someone tries to destroy it you can just transform it to a land right then.
i love your path to exile on your own tokens strat.
Launch the fleet is great if you go with the heroic route
Edit Read Mirrorwing wrong. Thought it said creatures you control not creatures they control my fault.
Jon Calvert so then all your creatures die too?
If they aren’t black.
@@hiddenleaf414 yeah, also things like vindicate. Hit your whole board, so you can only play the dragon with a card like cloud shift in your hand.
Jon Calvert Im confused. Are you saying you’re playing against Mirrorwing or playing it on your side.
@@hiddenleaf414 So you are playing Feather, You have Mirror wing, they cast Vindicate, unless you have Cloudshift in your hand, all of your creatures are now exiled.
Mirrorwing will copy your doomblade targeting your creatures right?
Won my first feather game last night. She’s nutty
I want this to be good. Definitely less explosive than Zada, but might be more consistent and draw less hate
Dillon Teeko ehh I would say equal. My friend has a pretty competitive Zada deck that can win on turn 5 but he needs the hand for it.
But ive played 11 games with my Feather deck and kill 2-3 players in one turn with commander damage when they have no commander damage on them is very easy, so also explosive.
@@hiddenleaf414 will you share your decklist please. Im honestly struggling on which direction to take my feather deck. I currently focua on combo wincon but its weak against creature based opponents
aris in wonderland I actually havent played Feather in a long time, I rarely even play my 2 color decks anymore. But some cards to help against combat based decks that I recall are: Ghostly Prison, Silent Arbiter, Palace Guard, Brave the Sands (So Feather has Vigilance), Stuffy Doll, Favored Hoplite, Soul Snare. These are off the top of my head.
I think Sun Forger is a $10 card easy.
Would you ever put Terrain Generator in this deck or do you think it's too slow?
Terrain Generator's main weakness is that, if you want to use it on an opponent's turn, it leaves much less mana open to cantrip on their turn, which is the core of the deck. Late game a Terrain Generator can ramp with excess mana, but by that time ramp is less valuable.
Personally I'd suggest a creature that ramps on EtB or LtB, like Kor Cartographer, Solemn Simulacrum, or Boreas Charger. This gets you a land and a body in play, which can be targeted with your other cantrips. Alternatively, Pathing a token each turn (with something like Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor in play) can also ramp a ton, but that's also pretty mana intensive.
Hope this helps :)
does Slaughter the strong works with feather? if it's the case it would be great
sadly no since it says choose not target creatures, but Fell the Mighty works
Hey Jumbo, I know Commander is your thing, but you should really try Oathbreaker! It's pretty similar to Commander but it gives a different sort of feeling. I really enjoy it as a change of pace!
I'm doing some testing. I'll make a video and we will see how people like hearing about new stuff.
Some guys in my playgroup are getting interested in the format, any suggestions as far as ramp and deck building guidelines? I expect it to be both similar yet different than commander itself.
@@ethanwiggen3567 Hey, sorry for not replying immediately. It's pretty similar to commander, but games are generally faster. Cheap mana costs and better mana curves are more important in Oathbreaker than they are in casual commander. Keep that in mind.
is death ward worth considering?
Bath In Light seems like an obvious inclusion in this sort of deck and I don't see it in the list or when you go over protection spells, but I know you've considered how crazy radiance mechanics spells are with Feather as board wide effects you can use over and over.
I'd compare it directly to Shelter in terms of if it's playable: it doesn't cantrip, sure, but it will protect most or all of your board from the color of your choice each cast instead of just Feather, which I have to believe it going to be extremely clutch in many situations. Given you have enough cantrips generally so as to have 1 or 2 in your hand most games by turn 3-4, it seems prudent to have some reusable spells that are more about a really strong reusable effect instead of just more card draw. After all, after a certain point you will want to have better things to do than just cast cheap cantrips to draw more cards because you will have a full grip of cards you want to cast for their effects rather than just to draw cards with spare mana.
I recently build a Feather Deck, I'm still building it tbh. And i tell you Rally the Righteous (10:10) is just bad. Very expensive for just a little attack bonus unless you go wide. That being said, it's fine in a going wide strategy, but in a voltron build like mine it's just the worst
//Sunforger 9 Dollar wtf? In Europe you get it for a few cents
What shenanigans can be done with a recurring radiate??!?!
Thankfully I managed to nab a Sunforger before the spike in price for 81 cents. I was pretty happy to get that before the price jumped. There is no way the price will hold. There were assholes around where I live trying to "invest" in Sunforgers and bought all of them in the local shops. I hope they all lose money on that.
You should start making commander gameplays :) (2)
Just go watch him shit the bed on his Game Knights appearance.
I'd love to see a Ilharg Deck!
I thought you said on yesterday’s stream you WEREN’T doing feather? How can I keep trusting you?
Balduvian rage and psychotic fury used to be literally pennies, now they're $5 and $3 respectively. Good grief...
Also, strongarm monk is pretty huge in this deck if you're going wide.
mana rocks+ unwinding clock?
Downhill Charge could be a good way to make Feather deadly. I also like Scar of the Veteran to help protect your creatures
Downhill Charge isn't that good outside mono red; you might want to give Fists of the Anvil a try instead. And Test of Faith is far superior to Scars of the Veteran imho.
@@hoppeltrottel7484 I like the alternative casting options for Downhill and Scars
I'm going to build this deck since I already have a zada deck so it will be easier to make
MH1 Aria of Flame is also pretty good!
this is a little weird but do you know how much this deck costs in 2023?
How is the archer worse than the alchemist? She can attack and also triggers on artifacts and enchantments.
Thermo deals one addicional damage everyturn. And if you lose your commander and didnt cast anything, he still pings. Wich is usually more likely than being able to attack for 2
Man, I just wish Feather was an Uncommon, I’d love to play him as my general in pauper edh given most of the cards in his strategy would be commons.
Heueheu pauper commander with uncommon as commander HMM SOUND COOL
Seismic Shift from Dominaria, repeatable land destruction. B)
Integer Devourer orim's thunder, repeatable disenchant. the 1 red mana instant from ixalan block, repeatable flameslash
Kind of want to make a deck that utilizes Pyromancer’s goggles with Feather.
Primal Amulet is easier to use in a Boros deck and also cheaper to come by.
i nust made a feather deck today and put in a red 2cmc instant that gives +7/+7 :)
Can you storm off with feather?
Balduvian rage you just cast for R and 0 for X and target opponents attack creatures and you still get the card draw.
Gotta target your own creatures
@@TheGamblingisgood that's right! Whoops
Stuff doll with burn spells :D
& Boros Reckoner
I believe that the best version of this deck is Storm based, with ignite Memories.
Smothering tithe and Teferi's Puzzle Box in this deck XD
Dakota McIntire The deck is designed around replaying 1-2 mana instants that get you more value. In my 11 games with Feather there was never a time I would want to lose my hand.
The decks average cmc is between 2-3 so the extra mana isnt that big from Tithe.
just cast the spells you want to keep in response to the puzzle box trigger
Fiery Gambit.
Just for the fun of it.
But where is paradox Engine?
It is paradox Engine good in this deck
Well that's great... Now i want to build multiple Feather decks. At least most these cards are cheap anyway so my kidney is safe for now.
Nice belch.
Here come the price spikes
I don't like that you identified Feather weaknesses but offered no ways of building her differently. The rest of the video is what we have seen everywhere.
Jumbo, give us a kefnet deck teck!!
Idk why people arent jumping all over niv mizzet reborn or ilharg!! Everybody on the Feather train.
Those cards seem cool, but they cost more mana. I'm worried they are too slow.
@@TheMrGazoline Niv Reborn Is another food chain tazri. U almost never should cast it by the time you win unless you run out of gas. It's not slow, it's a turn 2-4 win commander. Its top tier of all commanders out there and consistent.
@@ryanlinkous8651 oh yeah, but what about Ilharg?
I'd buy it just because it was drawn by wayne reynolds
i have like most of my first non precon edh deck now.
only a few war specific pieces and the commander are missing.
will definetely change it up a bit, based on the video
Also for yesterday I did investigating and I like rishkar best for +1+1 counter combos