dont plants have a right not to be diced up and made into salad. dont plants have feelings. shouldnt they have the right to grow and die and rot of old age.
@@deamonflowne9694 well yeah they should. But a cow eats way more plants during the period they're in a farm until they are slaughtered and processed into a steak, than a vegan human being in probably years.
Joey Carbstrong hi, i really like these type of stuffs. You did an amazing job up there. In my opinion you should start a franchise of these and make more youtube videos. (I know these are not for money. ) So you guys should spread this message world wide. Dont go towards the terrorist organizations who kill humans for fun, cause when they kill humans most of the dead are gonna be meat lovers. So it will definitely help your goal( one non vegan dead will help thousands of animals, right?). After accomplishing your goal with human, go with your mission to each and every forest and kill all the carnivores animals including lion, tiger, cheetah, panther, hyena, leopard, mosquito, cat, dog, lizard, cockroach, fox, wolves, bear, raccoon, coatis, wolverine, minks etc. that will help millions of animals to grow up. Go ahead buddy, i have a kilo beef to bbq tonight 👙👙👙
@@chanaii5178 yeah it's just about priorities, like if you are gonna defend a cow why don't you go defend something more important. Like there are people that lives in worse conditions than the cow itself.
@@boomboom7265 that is so true. In my country being vegan is a luxury. It's an expensive lifestyle. I think it's a waste of money when you could be helping small businesses and families in villages who farm to survive...even then, they still can't afford basic stuff like a septic toilets and clean water
I can say if this happens in the states, one side will be screaming at the top of their lungs. Plus they wouldn't even let the man talk. At least this vegan person kept the conversation going. They were both condescending to each other.
@@heartlessgaming8270 not at all & in debating terms the activist annihilated the farmer hence the farmers reluctant submission. I'm not giving up my cheese or meat though!
@@1dood and easy for you to say when you're not the ones getting r*ped into giving birth to produce milk, have ur child stolen from u and ur body used for meat and leather 🤡 You can put yourself in that stupid man's shoes so easily, but when it comes to those animals who are the real victims here, its hard for you!
vegans, saving earth, more like destroying earth cuz you cant have everything as plant eaters, so theres where meat eaters come. to control the herbivore population
@@bkaugustprod.w2geezy327 Height is determined by DNA up to an 80% (medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/height/) The nutrients that are found in meat are nutrients that were before in plants. Animals eat the plants and get nutrients from them.
@@jaiskreno Anything to survive, i don't get it why would these awfull people want to shut down those dairy farms, smh they are shitting on something that someone built with their own blood and sweat we have a little house with pig's and we kill them so we don't need to buy the expensive meat which is probably filled with pills and substances.. so please stop trying to cut off our food, and no we don't want that weird vegan shit like i tried it its disguising..
Why not quote the next sentence - the part he was really getting at instead of picking out a few words from it's larger meaning and context? You're only decieving yourself
@@HowardWimshurstAs long as humans are on earth there will be no such thing as a "perfect" world. Humans sin, that should be the problem we fix, not eating trees and pine cones.
@@RCDS777 and your arguments is? Humans sin so why not continuing contributing to the misery of other animals because of our sins? Dude straighten out yourself
UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
We live in a world where 8B people can effort a balanced and a healthy vegan diet. How wonderful is this world 😇. And the mass production farmlands are saving the planet by not having organic wastes, not killing ground animals, not destroying natural habitat and ecosystem of that place. I'm so glad that nature and humans can finally co-exist together 😇
@@SSS-rd3wr that's just wrong a lot of wilderness gets destroyed for animal farming actually. Not just for how much space those animals need but actually mainly for the amount of food those animals need. Meat production is actually a big part of the destruction of the rain forest. I recommend watching cowspiracy if you wanna learn more about this it's an amazing documentary not just for the things it learns you but also how entertaining it stays throughout the entire thing with how much deeper and deeper the rabit hole keeps going.
What? The vegan dude barely let the farmer talk and definitely didn't listen to any counter-arguments like whole communities being out of jobs, animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms (they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place), or the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals. We must've watched a different video, lol
Yeah, he did not agree with him yes, you got that fact right, anybody can see that, but what I'm saying is that he did not try to tell over him and just get pissed off, so you must of seen a different comment, lol
@@YamiKisara *"he vegan dude barely let the farmer talk"* It was pretty even. But when some of the meat guy's arguments are weak as, "All the bad stuff is okay because I'm not the one suffering" Not sure how you can say the vegan didn't let the livestock talk when everything the vegan said was a short counter argument to the livestock guy's facile points. *"like whole communities being out of jobs"* They can transition to actually farming instead of slaughtering and destroying the environment. These people could then not work in biohazards and not get ptsd from abusing animals. *"animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms"* Nice how meat eaters pretend we do live in a "perfect world" when rationalizing their choices. The vast majority of the meat people consume in developed countries comes from hellish factory farms. And the meat not produced on factory farms is actually _less_ sustainable since it takes so much longer for animals to mature. Even if 100% lived well, is it okay to murder a human once they reach a certain weight just because they were treated okay earlier? *"they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place"* I guess that's the same thing people tell themselves when they beat and rape their children. But these animals are also bred to a point where they're handicapped like sheep who need to be sheered or their bodies fall apart like chickens with brittle bones because they lay 300+ eggs a year versus 10 in wild foul. *"the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals"* Not true. There are regenerative farms that only use compost instead of animal fertilizers. The soil is so healthy that compost is only added once every few years.
@@richardlinares6314 Plants will never replace meat. They did a study on "Becoming Vegan" and 75% of males said they would rather die then give up meat.
@@YamiKisara those weren't arguments though. saying if farmers aren't allowed to kill animals they will be out of jobs is like saying if murder is illegal contract murderers will be out of jobs. there is no human right to employment and life is more important than making money. but apart from that the farmers aren't forced to be without a job, they can just find another one. about the second "argument" it is not an argument but just a false claim. cows do not enjoy being artificially inseminated while having a mans fist up their rectum, they equally do not enjoy having their babies taken away from them right after giving birth to them. the farmer said cows enjoy being milked. of course they do, it litterally causes them physical pain if they're not milked but who would that milk go to normally? their calfs. an if you were to give a cow the choice between lettg their own child suck out their milk or a machine, they will choose their child 10/10 times.
@tek O rumours are, that even young people struggle to find a job sometimes, but if they really want a job, they'll find one. Rumours also say, that you can make money off farming plants (but please don't tell anybody - it's my secret plan)
FOOD HABITS IN LATER LIFE STUDY was undertaken among five cohorts in Japan, Sweden, Greece and Australia. Legumes were found to be the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people of different ethnicities. The results showed that for every 20 grams (one ounce) increase in daily legumes intake there was an 8% reduction in the risk of death. This study shows that no matter what your ethnic background or where you live, eat more legumes to live longer, especially as you age. Of all the food groups including meat, legumes alone had consistent and statistically significant results.
The bags have to have air in them so they dont get destroyed while they are being shipped. The air in the bags has nitrogen in it to keep the chips fresh and to prevent oxidation.
Hate to break it to you, but they actually do that for a reason, which is to not crush all the chips when they get packed. I don't like it, but I also don't like my chips being crushed all the time. Pringles knows what they're doing, but I don't know why other companies are not following what Pringles does with the cans.
If we lived in a perfect world railway companies would start to use hydrogen fired steam locomotives. Imagine going to London on a train hauled by a hydrogen fired king class locomotive or doing on the Flying Scotsman hauled by a hydrogen-burning version of the Flying Scotsman steam locomotive.
fax, most people nowadays would just repeat the same thing over and over even if it’s nonsense because people are retarded so it’s nice to see an actual well thought out argument for once
why ? the abuse enabler won't change his midn anyways so no point in being civil. the animals being murdered and tortured right this moment do not care for civil discourse they want to not be killed and hurt and live in fear. . .
It’s choice is to have a fair chance at life by being able to escape. You can’t compare those things We as humans have morality (some of us at least) and we can tell when something is right or wrong. That’s what sets us apart from other animals, they act on instinct
You can compare those things. Humans ARE animals. We are on top of the food chain. It's the same thing as a wolf eating a lamb. Humans having morality is irrelevant. The only reason why you have the luxury of debating such trivialities is because we are a first world society and do not have a need for primal survival. This due to our food being readily available due to FARMING.... Now if you were in a third world society food isn't as readily available, and you will most likely hunt and forge for your food. I'm sorry to pop your ideological bubble but that's how the world really works. Eat or be eaten is the natural order of things.
@@allseeinghamster6001wolfs rape their own kinds, tigers lions do the same. They murder rape and cannabalise , that's the morals you stand behind when saying animals do that why shouldn't we
Top of the food chain? Walk through a lion's den and then tell me you're on the top of the food chain mate Also you have zero characteristics of an animal You do not have paws you do not have claws and you do not have fangs
@@ryanmichaelangelofavale5863primitive humans gave caused the extinction of cave lions, far bigger than modern day lions, during the ice age, when all we had were spears and rocks.
@@johnmiller7612 exactly how humans aren’t moral people because we do everything immoral. Just because we have the ability to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do
Absolutely. If we were living in a perfect world those cows would never have lived, or for the sake of argument let's say it did. It would spend it's life constantly braving the elements struggling to live in the wild till it eventually got old and/or sick then eventually unable to keep up with the heard, then it would languish for days collapsed on the ground until it succumbed to it's illness or starve to death, or if it's lucky torn apart by wild predators... bet that cow IF IT HAD THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO DO SO would've rather had been raised on a farm! ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THEIR OWN MORTALITY! LOLS!
@@starcultiniser So you would be ok if someone stabbed a dog because even though it feels similar emotions to you and is in a similar state of awareness its not completely the same ?
"We don't live in a perfect world mate" "Yes we do!" ..we're really not going to get anywhere in a conversation if someone thinks we live in a perfect world
Lol damn vegans thinking plant based is the way to go... have they ever stopped to also think they destroy the planet as well? They pay for crop area that can destroy habitats and water affinity crops like soybeans and almonds... .... I mean yea we definitely live in a perfect world right?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@imagna_kuroshiro7989 well i'm meat eating human, but bruh, crops destroying habitats, really ? If you really care to make an argument, first lookup the amount of 1. Deforestation done in the name of raising animals 2. Produce grown to feed animals 3. Water consumed for raising animals. The amount of produce the world makes currently is more than enough to feed three meals to every living soul, but guess what much more of it is produced to feed animals that end up on your plate, leaving one third of world population malnourished.
@@sourabhshetty2200 I’m almost certain people know all this deep down, indoctrination is a strong tool; hope you go vegan in the near future, you seem to know your stuff ✌️🌱
Just one? are you nuts? it's almost like drinking gallons of absinthe =P This comment section is so riddled with shit and puss, it's just like the milk which dairy fairies drink every day. For calcium and strong bones.
@@Johny40Se7en I think he was referring to the Vegans who are against animal cruelty, but have no problem with killing millions of rodents and insects, and displacing hundreds of millions of animals from their homes just to grow enough food to feed a population of 6 billion people.
@@elcamp3 We already grow enough food to feed 15 billion people. Not killing animals will actually let us grow LESS food, thereby returning a lot of land back to nature that can get naturally reclaimed by forests.
@@elcamp3 ohhh... Lest feed those to the people we are already killing them... We might anger them if they found out about it no body count means no evidence this is our next step to world domination. But we might actually need to eat those in the future we might as well start early...
Lol. Only vegans go around preaching to others about what they should eat! Bloody hilarious, it’s such an impressive waste of their time you’d have to be a lunatic that just loves conflict.
@@iamaghost7971 No you cannot...A perfect world is in itself imperfect, due to the impossibility of it. Only Children and the immature think in terms of things like perfection. It is the calling card of dreamers, and the misguided, and extremists...convinced what they believe is right. The older I get, the more I learn, the more I realise there are many truths and there are many answers, and often several at once. People who crave perfection, are singularly righteous tyrants who would inflict grevious pain in their percieved righteousness.
What is this comment section hahahah, the best we can do is ethical farming and even that is quite hard to accomplish at least world wide. If you don't like the reality of life then I wish you good luck. Oh and when you're being robbed at gun point by another human, try talking to them about compassion and morals...
Yeah before we existed other creatures used to help each other and don't attack or eat weaker and smaller animals until we human created in this world and then animals begin to prey on each other 😢 Dude the world was always cruel and strong creatures take advantage on the weaker ones before and after the creation of human🤷♀️
@@ArcanisUltra A balanced diet that includes a variety of foods from different sources is generally considered the most nutritious and sustainable way to support optimal health and well-being. If you believe eating strictly just plants is the healthiest diet, I would have to argue that you’re an idiot.
American: "can I kill you?" German "nein bitte lass das" American "Well I can't understand you soo it must me ethical! :)" The Cow doesn't want to die, you see that clearly in emotions and how they run away and how they Cry for their Baby's
@@jean7464 Does that apply for cockroaches as well? because I don't see any vegan activists fighting for cockroaches lives! is it because cows are cute and cockroaches are not?
@@hamadx9860 yes absolutely! At least for me. Cockroaches can feel pain and they don't want to die. It's true, insects doesn't get many attention sadly, but Vegans don't eat Honey normally, with is because of Bees that get killed, pregnated, and the queen's get their Wings cut and so on. So Insects also matter! Every living thing has a right to live, even a tiny cockroach. I for myself am extremely scared if them, I have a really bad phobia and so on. Before I was vegan and before I thought about the whole topic I would just let my parents kill them because I was so scared, but the more I think about it the more I see that this tiny animals are also living and feeling creatures and therefore they have a right to live. It's not their fault that I am scared of them or that we think they are ugly. Edit: I do think that many people actually think the way you said, like. Cows are cute, insects are not. But in my opinion that's not the right way, we can't just say that something is worth less because we don't like it. Those animals and insects are not objects. (I don't say you said it, I try to explain my point. I'm not a native speaker so it may come across wrong. I don't want to be mean or Assume anything about you)
@@jean7464 shut ur vegan ass up, y'all think ppl like u encourage us to eat less meat, instead u encourage us to eat more meat, just stop us BS and eat a damn steak
I'm not vegan but you have to admit what he says makes sense. You wouldn't kill and eat a dog, so why do it to a cow? P. S. I'm actually a chef and love meat, fish and dairy. But I can see this guy's point.
@@domenikvalci7743 indeed and that's why people shouldn't have pets because all those animals were separated from their parents and sold out to you. So you should get rid of all your pets.
@@vighneshnayak270 there is no way of actually proving that. Some may do that for sure(vegan and non vegans both) but it doesn't mean that no vegan ever buys pets from breeders. Nice try though.
Is it truly right to impise your life style, belief, culture to others? No it is not. It is immoral to harm people only want eat meat and live. Many humans need meat. It is immoral to forbid them to this right. Animals will never remplace humans.
This world isn’t perfect Marc. Have you encountered problems in your life? Have you ever cried? If yes then you live in a current world where it isnt perfect. Otherwise we need not worry
@@Benjamin-hp8mw Meat eating in itself is not wrong. We are built to eat meat, we're omnivores. The problem is how the industry treats the animals. My family hunts our own meat to avoid contributing to it. This is okay in my book because I know the animal lived a happy life the way it was meant to, in the wild. Plus, we know none of the meat goes to waste and that its death was painless. We kill far less animals too, considering that a good sized buck lasts over a month. So yeah. I think meat eating is ok as long as you're not endorsing the industry. Sorry for sloppy writing, I am commenting this from my phone lol
@@kayleighwybert4238 I agree but that isn’t scaleable how many people can hunt not a lot how many meat eaters are there the wild would be empty in a weekend and the meat industry aren’t going to start treating animals better Vegan is scaleable and we can survive on both I think we are in the middle of meat and vegetables all tho we can survive on just vegetables where as meat you would develop scurvy not knocking meat it’s just not got in the right way
@Blue Days but you arent a doctor, you got that info from google. We have molars to chew meat, if we were plant based we would have the teeth of a giraffe
1:00 "At that moment I remembered that I'd witnessed this scene before time and time again It's always been unfolding before me. But...I turned a blind eye to it. That's right this world is cruel" -Mikasa Ackerman-
God Bless both sides, But i wonder if Joe or his parents are religious (Jewish, Christian or Catholic), because in GOD'S GREAT BOOK (The Bible) eating Organic Grass-fed raw dairy was and still is Healthy , God's Prophet Abraham fed three Angels from God Butter, Milk and after preparing the Calf, ate that too (GENESIS 18: 7-8) in the Name of God, hence the repeated biblical expression by God in the same Book Genesis, "The Land Flowing with "Milk" and Honey". God encouraged the Jews to eat Organic Grass-fed Dairy. It was essential part of the Diet, not just "for Breakfast" LOL. My Parents raised me and my sibling(s) on Dairy and I am God Gratefully they did! God Bless to All! Healthy Eating.
@@antonego8594 the bests are still johnny and dukey from johnny test, juicy dog and child meat for better experience use them as a meat pie ;) meat tha best btw
@@rahulhalder8475 how is he angry? Both of them are being mildly passive aggressive, but nothing above what a normal debate constitutes, do you have eyes and ears?
@@rahulhalder8475 this single clip doesn’t represent all of his work, even if he got genuinely mad and shouted, people make mistakes; we see celebrities called up for 10 year old Tweets, one little thing doesn’t define someone 😛
I'm going vegan for health reasons mainly. If humans are meant to eat meat why don't we have the sharp teeth of other meat eaters? Why do we have to cook our meat, and we don't chase our prey and bite into their flesh while they live, like other carnivores/omnivores? People started eating animals (and other humans) due to starvation but we're not starving anymore. But I agree with non-vegans who pointed out animals are violent with each other. I don't think farmers are causing MORE violence than is natural already.
It seems to me you made good points since as you indicated, we humans do NOT have the qualities that other animals have such as leons for example, to eat meat.
@acfollowjcor318 our intestines can digest meat pretty well, humans don't hunt with their teeth, hence why it's flat, and we do have canines, but they became smaller do to oral language.
By his logic a sheep can politely say "no" to the wolf thats trying to brutally strangle it, the wolf cant cut its oxygen without the sheeps permission right guys?
You missed the point, the job isn't to stop inflicting pain completely and entirely, it's to mitigate pain and reduce it substantially, albeit there will be pain in an ecosystem. And by the way, the suffering we inflict upon these animals is way worse than when they're in the wild getting hunted down, and the numbers and statistics of their deaths in farms are way more, your logic is fallacious.
@@jeannedarc7533 these people are saying that the farmer cant kill the sheep without its permission, literally, it makes no sense really, i dont think the farmer is sick enough to inflict pain on it rather than just cutting the throat so it dies faster, the point is to inflict as little pain as possible but still get the wanted product from the animal
Lion "Hey mate is it alright if I make you a bite to eat" Antilope "No I do not consent thank you very much" Lion "I love it when you play hard to get"
The US agriculture department is just NOT good, if it was good it would do something to stop forever meatpacking/food service business cruelty against farm animals.
You are absolutely right. But if we eat animals, we actually eat more plants, because we have to feed the animals. So if you feel sorry for the plants: go vegan! :)
@@randomearthling5214 what crack are you smoking if we eat animals we are not eating more plants. If we just ate plants we would eat more because animals would still eat plants.
@@manfridchicken1263 We are. See, we have to "kill" plants. Then we feed them to the animals. Then we kill the animals. Instead we could directly "kill" the plants and eat them. We need 17 kg of plants to produce one kg of meat.
@@kingdaleclarke the situation is not as simple as your mind makes it out to be. The human race is growing at ridiculous rates and the planet is warming. Do you know the biggest contributor to the warming? Animal agriculture. That's just one of the issues. This leads to deforestation, habit loss and extinction to certain species. We are vermin when we just consume without thought. I suppose you feel capitalism is fine too. Take whatever you want and sell it until there is nothing left. Even fossil fuel companies acknowledge there is a issue
@@evanmiller2591 better to try than give up. If you was in Nazi Germany, would you give people up or would you stand the fuck up? You may be the minority but you have a choice.
I'll take it somewhere for you: I dont want to 'go there' but studies have been performed on plants that could blow ppls minds in proving they are sentient beings. Mother nature does not make mistakes no matter how smart we think we are. There is a natural order of dominance regarding consumption of plants and animals and it works. It's called a food chain. Sorry. It's a fact. ps: We can all eat plants can we according to this fool.. He obviously is not good with numbers. For the entire planet to be eating a plant based vegan diet there would be NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH space, utilities and many more things to sustain healthy living. Beside that, if we did eat all the plants based products animals relying on those food would starve and die anyway! This shit about lets eat plants claim is made by absolute turds who think THEY CAN CREATE the perfect world. You aren't that special guys. This doesn't happen in 3rd world countries.. Entitled selfish pricks that have the time to complain about what someone else eats, is the epitome of abusing natural privilege.
@@louispconstant6624 I'd disagree that there wouldn't be enough space. There would be if livestock fields were turned towards crops. However the thing vegans overlook is soil degradation. The fertility of the soil would dry up fast if livestock wasn't being kept on it and we'd still have to butcher species like cows into extinction anyways otherwise we'd have roaming herds eating everything in sight. I'm assuming the mind blowing things about plant sentience is roughly what is described in Brilliant Green by Stefano Mancuso damn interesting read that actually. Logically less people and more traditional farming would be as cruelty free as the world is designed to take. The mass production required to feed the worlds population inevitably comes with significant cruelty. And even has a meat lover i personally cannot justify mass production of pork. Factory farming of pigs is disgusting and we will only ever keep ours free to roam and root about large paddocks. Yeah the end result is the same but they can enjoy life in the meantime.
@@bloodandhonorireland3329 Cheers for the reply. You are right about the soil degradation 100%. I just watched a really good documentary on the history of the Amazon and how most of it is a big garden. In the Amazon the people that inhabited it had to resort to "black dirt" (which is still kind of a mystery how it is made) to fertilize. I also agree on the farming of pigs. I do watch all of these documentaries that come out and also have farming in the family. Pig farming can be cruel, and it is as you said the amount of mass production needed that creates these situations. As well as greed and lack of empathy of course. Unfortunately people don't really understand one of us has to die. People have to decrease or animals need to be killed and consumed. The way the man talks about his cows in this clip, I have little doubt they would take care of them and give them the best lives possible. (he was also quite a gentleman about it tbh) The space thing is not the biggest issue but I was saying in regards to space for cultivation, animals and the amount of humans on the planet. I like that you guys do your best to help the pigs have a happy life while it lasts. Even as humans, is that not all we can ask from mother nature?
To the Op Henselt the fake. I disagree that the argument went nowhere, as it showed that you can how a peaceful disagreement. And most likely showed the vegan protester that the farmer is just as human as himself. The protester seemed lost for words. edit: activist/who cares. I'd call him an idiot tbh.
@@louispconstant6624 I only meant that it seemed to come to no solid conclusion because I expected the activist to be a complete idiot that could only argue by saying 'Eating animals is bad' but he clearly wasn't and neither were the farmer and it was overall an interesting conversation which I intend to not take a side in because I do not have enough knowledge to take one side over the other. I did infact find your comments interesting because they taught me something new about this subject so thank you for that and I hope you have a nice day. Cheers!
I didn't know that, but it doesn't change my stance on the matter. Knowing that he posted it just makes the vid more comedic as he acctually posyed himself spouting that nonsense
If "logic" means to be okay that farm animals are treated terribly and then slaughtered in a terrible way by meatpacking/food industry so "logic" makes NO sense, and it is cruel to say the least.
I mean the farmer didn't even try to counter any of the criticisms given by the vegan. It wasn't really a conversation so much as the farmer stating fallacies and leaving? Just because they didn't fight doesn't mean it was a commendable and constructive debate.
@@RoseKR He countered that the animals aren't stressed and they're treated well, not abused. I agree he had no defense for killing the animals, though.
@@RoseKR He didn't need to, the point of the argument was enslaving and mainly abusing the animals. ill just state off the bat, cows and other barn animals would have a much worse life in the wild than in the protection of a barn where they eventually get slaughtered yes. But the cows and other animals have a happy full life until the end, regardless if the animal is "enslaved" or not. We give them a happy life in the modern world until their end Even if its not a Full life it was a happy one, in return they supply us with meat and other product, as is the demand of the Far from perfect and Never will be perfect world. Life is cruel and even if we didn't cage, kill and butcher them, the cows and other barn animals, would suffer, be hunted and killed by predators and other animals in the wild. they just look at, "oh you kill the animal in the end, that's abuse!" and don't look at anything else. it's completely pointless to debate or argue with them. the end. First time talking about it, and this will be my only comment on this subject. have a nice rest of your day whoever reads this. ^^
@@phoahseilah I'm afraid there's a number of misunderstandings and logical fallacies in your arguments. Let's list them for clarity: 1. "Animals live worse in the wild" It doesn't matter how bad *somewhere else* is - that doesn't justify your current actions here. Sure jews would have a worse time in nazi germany than in prison, does that mean its logically a moral act to imprison people for being jews? Clearly not, so this logic doesn't hold up. Just because someone's current conditions aren't the worst possible doesn't make those conditions ok. 2. "The cows are happy until death" This sidesteps the entire issue surrounding their torturous death but even if we grant you it, all dairy cows must be forcefully impregnated by farmers to get them to produce milk, and their babies are taken away from them hours after birth and the cows mourn for their lost kids. If that is happy to you then I don't know what kind of life you are living. Additionally, they are given growth hormones to make them more profitable which cause them a number of health problems and pain during their short time alive. It is anything but happy. 3. "Life is cruel" This is not a justification to do a different, also cruel, action. Again, just because nazis would treat jews worse than the prison system - this obviously doesn't justify imprisoning jews for being jews. 4. "You only look at the abuse in their death instead of their entire life" There are 2 majors issues in this argument: A) You are again trying to just ignore the torturous death they undergo as if it doesn't exist. B) You are completely neglecting all of the pain and abuse they go through during their lives. Especially when 99% of meat in america comes from factory farming, it is abuse the entire time. You clearly haven't discussed these issues with any vegans before watching this short video so I don't blame you for not knowing about it, but ignorance only holds when you are unaware. I have now made you aware of the reality of this industry so you cannot claim to not know of it's abuse. It's there and you can find out more about it online.
@@sM-to8ni well I am not sure that's the case . Being vegan is good for weight loss 📉. But to interfere with other businesses in meat industry & these same people are Go green radical nut jobs & 70% commies. So ya countries who wants to see the fall of western nations loves it . I mean look at non western nations there are no problems 😊 like these .
Vegan is an asian i think on a missionary business to promote his countries vegetables, just like dome adian countries beat up people eating non vegetarian food
@Elfoxity 1. You have any CREDIBLE sources for that statement? 2. This is an invalid argument. World poverty is FAR more than just meat and dairy industry. The two are hardly intertwined with each other. 3. Do you have personal bias that would make you say such an imbecilic thing? (I don't expect you to be honest with that).
@@AngelMorales-qn8bf that's what the early men thought when cannabilasm was rampant. then we learn it was not essential for survival and moved on. it's time to do the same with meat.
The vegan here is acting like a typical vegan. The farmer, however, isn't acting how a typical American behaves when debating a vegan. That's why a lot of us are pleasantly surprised. Vegan haters can learn something from this video.
No matter how I feel about it, I respect the hell out of these two gentlemen. They're both making their points and they're not resorting to just insulting each other. To be honest I'm not sure I could hold it together like either of these guys. And special props to the farmer for ending the debate and moving on once he was done.
@@4120306 we became omnivores for a reason guys. Sure we might evolve to be herbivores but that doesn't mean we wont need other animals. Especially calcium. Heck herbivores today do it. I think our perfect world just needs acceptance. Look at some meat factories today, they have gotten alot more humane the only thing that considered bad is "killing".
A bit off-topic but thanks for your reply. All that I have to say to you is watch out for the reactions from your meat-eating habits. Constipation, and also internal bleeding. Take care!
Enjoy all that unfermented soy... you know the stuff that contains isoflavones which act as phytoestrogens (plant estrogens). The same stuff that has been linked to increased oestrogen levels in males which leads to reduced testosterone levels, loss of sex drive, erectile dysfunction and also sees levels of blood DHEA and DHT levels plummet significantly. Animal studies also linked the isoflavones in soy to breast cancer. The correlation between increased breast cancer in men and an increase in unfermented soy consumption is shocking to say the least... The truth is we need a balanced diet which includes meat, admittedly in lower volumes, but to say we can stop eating meat altogether is not realistic at present.
BBgun gaming I’d rather not consume the dead body of a once living breathing sentient and suffering animal but if you want to more power to you you’ll be the one getting heart disease or cancer 👎🏻
We can’t have a perfect world because we all want different things (edit: I’m not a socialist or fascist, I am also not a vegan although I don’t eat that much because it doesn’t taste that good to me.)
@@crazyshocker1095 Its overly simplistic, because when going into intricacy becomes clearly idealistic. Ex vegan for nearly 6 years ended it 5 months ago, fish cheese and eggs incorporated back and feeling healthier than ever!!!!
RoweHowe I am not saying that being vegan is simple, i am not vegan myself i am vegetarian. But the idea is simple: It is not fair that we kill innocent animals in our rich society when we know we can definitely live without eating meat, and that they are sensible. So good for you if you fell good physically but feeling good morally is even better.
Those so called" first world countries" in reality are NOT first world countries if they allow the meatpacking business do the horrible things it does against farm animals, they may say they are but there is NO morals there, empty words.
@@TavaiNT that's quite a good example. We should start doing this on mars instead. That place is already too cold so it wouldn't be too much of a problem to heat it up
Eating less meat means less land being used to feed animals and more being used to feed us with plants. Leading cause of death in America is heart disease which killed more than half a million Americans in 2017. Heart disease is linked to increased consumption of fats and cholesterol which are found in abundance animal products. Plants have zero cholesterol. The rape and terrorist part is one that can’t be solved overnight but at least you are making the world a better place by ditching meat. Try his challenge out for yourself and see how you feel after 22 days. challenge22.com/?group=351
Mire Farah just wait a few years, farmers will start working in meat cloning factories, there will be less animals needed for meat, and there will be one less reason to be vegan, so if someone was vegan because they don’t like that animals are killed for meat, than they probably wouldn’t be vegan because most meat will be cloned soon.
The name of the video really confused people. Don't u realize that the vegan in this video is the channel owner? That's why the like/dislike ratio is how it is. Some like it for the tittle and some dislike because of the owner, or the other way around.
willshady100 nah it’s cus meat lovers click on it to watch vegans get owned, get sucked in to watch it, only for the farmer to be an idiot and hopefully open people’s minds that meat is wrong
@@somelonelyshmuck4274 Of all of the types of alcohol I've ever drank, the closest I've ever had to a hangover was here recently when I got almost blacked out (probably had a minor case of alcohol poisoning) drunk off of Everclear and the next day, I was still feeling "drunk" but I was still able to walk like I was completely sober, think like I was completely sober, etc. and it just felt like I'd just woke up from sleeping like 18 hours with a regular 8 hour sleep schedule behind it.
I know farmers and seen how much care those animals get, both from vets and the people on the farm. They work 16 hour days making sure their animals are cared for.
I wish all this care you mentioned means do NOT slaughter those farm animals eventually because those animals deserve to live, they deserve compassion.
for what reason? exploitation. Often resulting in the death of the animal. Stock farmers are human parasites. They are not symbiotic organisms.They could be, but only if there is a dollar in it. Farmers are liked only by farmers or those in the pay of Big Ag. Thinking people have to keep a close eye on them. Outlaw muelsing, outlaw live export. These come from thinking people in defiance of farmers. We see the true character of Aussie Farmers in their politicians. Hello Barnaby.
Addythebeast haha. The classic im a bitch and I have a daddy issue so I'm gonna cry plants have life and hide my manliness behind the gun and bang on the door like a little girl. Lolz.
You can't turn land into soil with chemicals. This is what is happening to the planet now the animals are being removed. The soil is turning to sand. The life in the soil is being killed off and it's washing into the rivers and streams, eventually into the seas which is now killing fish. This is the fault of big business and religion that believe animals should be saved.
@@toni4729 on the contrary the livestock industry with the billions of animals reared for food and dairy are a major cause of pollution in rivers and ecosystems. No animals are being saved and in fact meat consumption has been on an upward curve for decades.
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dont plants have a right not to be diced up and made into salad. dont plants have feelings. shouldnt they have the right to grow and die and rot of old age.
Wa
@@deamonflowne9694 well yeah they should. But a cow eats way more plants during the period they're in a farm until they are slaughtered and processed into a steak, than a vegan human being in probably years.
Joey Carbstrong hi, i really like these type of stuffs. You did an amazing job up there. In my opinion you should start a franchise of these and make more youtube videos. (I know these are not for money. ) So you guys should spread this message world wide. Dont go towards the terrorist organizations who kill humans for fun, cause when they kill humans most of the dead are gonna be meat lovers. So it will definitely help your goal( one non vegan dead will help thousands of animals, right?). After accomplishing your goal with human, go with your mission to each and every forest and kill all the carnivores animals including lion, tiger, cheetah, panther, hyena, leopard, mosquito, cat, dog, lizard, cockroach, fox, wolves, bear, raccoon, coatis, wolverine, minks etc. that will help millions of animals to grow up.
Go ahead buddy, i have a kilo beef to bbq tonight 👙👙👙
I love meat. Animals are tasty.
If we live in a perfect world, my instant ramen would be exactly like what they are advertised
Damn sad to hear🥺🥺
Minh Ngô I still eat it tho
Minh Ngô and it wouldn’t be hollow
bro this just makes it funnier with ur name
Am i the only one having vietnam flashbacks?
Farmer: We ain't live inna perfect world.
Coronavirus: Damn true
@Prabhman Sandhu [Student] so .... ure from moon ???
@Prabhman Sandhu [Student] what's the weather like this time of year in Antarctica?
Prabhman Sandhu [Student] how’s Antarctica
@Prabhman Sandhu [Student] How did you get on youtube from North Korea?. XD
@@spirit1082 gotta remember when you wet a vegan lifestyle you get delusional. No wonder brain dead people are called vegetables
It's impossible to live in a perfect world because everyone's idea of a perfect world thinks differently from each other.
True. It's subjective
Edit: I meant to say "I agree, a perfect world is subjective"
@@chanaii5178 true is not subjectiv but different perfect world is subjective
@@cope2247 I think you're confused by what I said. Because you're basically agreeing with me. Just like I'm agreeing with the person's comment above.
@@chanaii5178 yeah it's just about priorities, like if you are gonna defend a cow why don't you go defend something more important. Like there are people that lives in worse conditions than the cow itself.
@@boomboom7265 that is so true. In my country being vegan is a luxury. It's an expensive lifestyle. I think it's a waste of money when you could be helping small businesses and families in villages who farm to survive...even then, they still can't afford basic stuff like a septic toilets and clean water
The most civilised conversation I’ve every seen between a meat eater and a vegan
conversations like this happen all the time. don't let the media taint your perception of vegans.
I can say if this happens in the states, one side will be screaming at the top of their lungs. Plus they wouldn't even let the man talk. At least this vegan person kept the conversation going. They were both condescending to each other.
True. That could never happen in America. The farmer would've pulled out one of his 6 guns and threatened Joey's life for disagreeing with him.
That's it! In America we need to start having our disagreements in Australian accents.
@@TigerGreenewhat is wrong with your perception of America
Bruv it ain’t like that
That's good. I see two grown men, having a discussion together. And not crying and yelling at each other.
Agreed
I see one grown man the younger kid just trying to be an ass and keep cutting the older guy off
@@heartlessgaming8270 not at all & in debating terms the activist annihilated the farmer hence the farmers reluctant submission.
I'm not giving up my cheese or meat though!
I agree, I think majority of vegans and their activism is ridiculous but if there is going to be a debate this is the way about it.
@LowEnergyBoomer you are so true man, i agreed
Farmer: “We don’t live in a perfect world you know”
Activist: “Yeah we do”
2020: “Am I a joke to you?”
Genius 👌🏼👏🏼
2020 is actually not that bad, but when you only watch the News, your brain starts to think that
Look around you, Activist. Look around you...
Tru
👌🏻👌🏻😆
Farmer: We ain’t living in a perfect world
2020: Damn sure we don’t
NEO YES RWBY
2020 actually does kind of suck. Pretty sure the cows don't see a difference.
2020 only? What about 2000/2019?
"Red team come with me"
Sound familiar?
yeah 2020 is pretty bad...
That old guy is pretty calm for someone telling him to his face he hopes to loose his livelihood.
He wants him to stop killing animals, He never said he wants him to loose his livelihood. He can get another job
@@Victori.A1 easy for someone to say when they aren't the ones on the receiving end
@@1dood and easy for you to say when you're not the ones getting r*ped into giving birth to produce milk, have ur child stolen from u and ur body used for meat and leather 🤡
You can put yourself in that stupid man's shoes so easily, but when it comes to those animals who are the real victims here, its hard for you!
the issue is the consumerism and ethics of the slaughterhouses , killing animals is natural
@@1dood well a human trafficker would also be angry if we told them to stop transporting humans
first time seeing a balanced like to dislike ratio
I just noticed
Yeah lol
Because both parties are very civilized
"Perfectly balanced... just as all things should be" - (Thanos 2019)
vegans, saving earth,
more like destroying earth
cuz you cant have everything as plant eaters, so theres where meat eaters come.
to control the herbivore population
at a glance you can already tell which is the dairy farmer and which is the activist
No wonder we eat meat if we only eat plants like this guy no work would ever get done , he’s weak and obviously he’s not getting enough to his brain
Because the activist resembles a sloth
@Polly Linna no
@Polly Linna why? Just because he's true and you don't agree with him? How pathetic you are
@@bkaugustprod.w2geezy327 Height is determined by DNA up to an 80% (medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/height/)
The nutrients that are found in meat are nutrients that were before in plants. Animals eat the plants and get nutrients from them.
Animal preys on smaller animal
Animal:Yeah we don’t live in a perfect world mate
Are you implying you eat dogs
Animals don’t necessarily pray on smaller animals. Some animals prey on much larger animals
@@jaiskreno Dog: Canis Familiaris, Bred to be our friend. Literally.
No actually. It is a perfect world. Mother Nature doesn't make mistakes.
@@jaiskreno Anything to survive, i don't get it why would these awfull people want to shut down those dairy farms, smh they are shitting on something that someone built with their own blood and sweat we have a little house with pig's and we kill them so we don't need to buy the expensive meat which is probably filled with pills and substances.. so please stop trying to cut off our food, and no we don't want that weird vegan shit like i tried it its disguising..
"We live in a perfect world" was the biggest joke cant believe that guy actually believed that
Why not quote the next sentence - the part he was really getting at instead of picking out a few words from it's larger meaning and context? You're only decieving yourself
@@HowardWimshurstAs long as humans are on earth there will be no such thing as a "perfect" world. Humans sin, that should be the problem we fix, not eating trees and pine cones.
"Perfect World " and " Equality " is an illusion
@@RCDS777 and your arguments is? Humans sin so why not continuing contributing to the misery of other animals because of our sins? Dude straighten out yourself
@@HowardWimshurstHow else do you think he could convince himself that he's not in the wrong when it comes to paying for animal murder?
That Farmer was actually pretty convincing, I think I want to become a cow!
Easy life mate eat grass all day
Mmmoooo?? Mmoo moo moo mmmooo moo moo!!! MMOO MMOOOOOOO lmfao couldn't help myself
i only need the mind of a cow the body i already got
@@VVIZQRD try getting a lobotomy.
i can eat you now letsss goooooooo
Vegan: we can live in a perfect world.
Dinosaurs: yeah😂
Under rated comment 😂
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if all people are vegan, they'll be way weaker so yeah i'm to skinny and wimpy to be a vegan.
@@Jewel_Man_Kisser Look Clarence Kennedy, Patrick Baboumian, Kendrick Farris
@@Jewel_Man_Kisser agreed, EAT MORE MEAT
if the cows are having a good meal then so should i
go eat your own grass nigga
@@veveronshade3409 u can bite my meat nigga ;)
Yall niggas better aint stealin ma grass
if they eat my grass, i'll eat them
@@succboiardee4973 fair... Sweet vegan meat cutlets !
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This is the most level headed and peaceful talk I've ever seen between a vegan and farmer.
We live in a world where 8B people can effort a balanced and a healthy vegan diet. How wonderful is this world 😇. And the mass production farmlands are saving the planet by not having organic wastes, not killing ground animals, not destroying natural habitat and ecosystem of that place. I'm so glad that nature and humans can finally co-exist together 😇
@@SSS-rd3wrno we don’t care. Nom vegan forever!
@@Billy_plays2017 good for you, I could care less about you being Vegan or not.
@@SSS-rd3wr k bye
*fades out of existence*
*a pipe bomb is In Your mail.*
@@SSS-rd3wr that's just wrong a lot of wilderness gets destroyed for animal farming actually. Not just for how much space those animals need but actually mainly for the amount of food those animals need. Meat production is actually a big part of the destruction of the rain forest. I recommend watching cowspiracy if you wanna learn more about this it's an amazing documentary not just for the things it learns you but also how entertaining it stays throughout the entire thing with how much deeper and deeper the rabit hole keeps going.
These guys stopped, listen and respected each other, like how an argument should be
What? The vegan dude barely let the farmer talk and definitely didn't listen to any counter-arguments like whole communities being out of jobs, animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms (they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place), or the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals. We must've watched a different video, lol
Yeah, he did not agree with him yes, you got that fact right, anybody can see that, but what I'm saying is that he did not try to tell over him and just get pissed off, so you must of seen a different comment, lol
@@YamiKisara *"he vegan dude barely let the farmer talk"*
It was pretty even. But when some of the meat guy's arguments are weak as, "All the bad stuff is okay because I'm not the one suffering" Not sure how you can say the vegan didn't let the livestock talk when everything the vegan said was a short counter argument to the livestock guy's facile points.
*"like whole communities being out of jobs"*
They can transition to actually farming instead of slaughtering and destroying the environment. These people could then not work in biohazards and not get ptsd from abusing animals.
*"animals actually enjoying their lives on the farms"*
Nice how meat eaters pretend we do live in a "perfect world" when rationalizing their choices. The vast majority of the meat people consume in developed countries comes from hellish factory farms. And the meat not produced on factory farms is actually _less_ sustainable since it takes so much longer for animals to mature. Even if 100% lived well, is it okay to murder a human once they reach a certain weight just because they were treated okay earlier?
*"they wouldn't have been born without farmers in the first place"*
I guess that's the same thing people tell themselves when they beat and rape their children. But these animals are also bred to a point where they're handicapped like sheep who need to be sheered or their bodies fall apart like chickens with brittle bones because they lay 300+ eggs a year versus 10 in wild foul.
*"the inability to have environmentally friendly agriculture without farm animals"*
Not true. There are regenerative farms that only use compost instead of animal fertilizers. The soil is so healthy that compost is only added once every few years.
@@richardlinares6314 Plants will never replace meat. They did a study on "Becoming Vegan" and 75% of males said they would rather die then give up meat.
@@YamiKisara those weren't arguments though. saying if farmers aren't allowed to kill animals they will be out of jobs is like saying if murder is illegal contract murderers will be out of jobs. there is no human right to employment and life is more important than making money. but apart from that the farmers aren't forced to be without a job, they can just find another one. about the second "argument" it is not an argument but just a false claim. cows do not enjoy being artificially inseminated while having a mans fist up their rectum, they equally do not enjoy having their babies taken away from them right after giving birth to them. the farmer said cows enjoy being milked. of course they do, it litterally causes them physical pain if they're not milked but who would that milk go to normally? their calfs. an if you were to give a cow the choice between lettg their own child suck out their milk or a machine, they will choose their child 10/10 times.
"I'm not trying to put you out of a job, but I do want to destroy the industry you work in."
And that's totally necessary.
Rumors say, that there are other jobs out there. But don't tell anybody - it's a secret.
@tek O rumours are, that even young people struggle to find a job sometimes, but if they really want a job, they'll find one. Rumours also say, that you can make money off farming plants (but please don't tell anybody - it's my secret plan)
@@mr.v7102 We're not worthy!
@@themacleod3893 we never were!
FOOD HABITS IN LATER LIFE STUDY was undertaken among five cohorts in Japan, Sweden, Greece and Australia. Legumes were found to be the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people of different ethnicities. The results showed that for every 20 grams (one ounce) increase in daily legumes intake there was an 8% reduction in the risk of death. This study shows that no matter what your ethnic background or where you live, eat more legumes to live longer, especially as you age. Of all the food groups including meat, legumes alone had consistent and statistically significant results.
If we live in a perfect world why are my Lays chips half air
When you buy a lays.
You didnt buy the chips.
You buy the air. The chips is just a bonuses
The bags have to have air in them so they dont get destroyed while they are being shipped. The air in the bags has nitrogen in it to keep the chips fresh and to prevent oxidation.
YEAH!!!!
I bet someone working in the chip industry was sneakily eating some of the chips. *For free*
so that you eat actual fucking chips and not tiny crumbs. imagine vacuume bagging chips.... salty potato dust lmao
If we live in a perfect world, each bag of chips will be full and still stay crisp
Hate to break it to you, but they actually do that for a reason, which is to not crush all the chips when they get packed. I don't like it, but I also don't like my chips being crushed all the time. Pringles knows what they're doing, but I don't know why other companies are not following what Pringles does with the cans.
Yeah and my Burger King Whopper would look like the picture
@@ryank1273 yeah but there's some companies that put 40% chips and 60%air, not kidding
If we lived in a perfect world railway companies would start to use hydrogen fired steam locomotives. Imagine going to London on a train hauled by a hydrogen fired king class locomotive or doing on the Flying Scotsman hauled by a hydrogen-burning version of the Flying Scotsman steam locomotive.
Yes
The fact that they are having a discussion is actually good
fax, most people nowadays would just repeat the same thing over and over even if it’s nonsense because people are retarded so it’s nice to see an actual well thought out argument for once
Nah, more like the farmer is explaining how he works and the activist spouts the same bullshit statements between ever word the farmer says
why ? the abuse enabler won't change his midn anyways so no point in being civil.
the animals being murdered and tortured right this moment do not care for civil discourse they want to not be killed and hurt and live in fear. . .
@@KimchiYeo but you still eat meat from product even you not look the recipe closely
@@jamesasterwolf584 ikr what a fucking tool that vegan dude was .. never seen anyone so stupid!
Where's the Cow's choice? Where's the Sheep's choice when a wolf is Hungry?
It’s choice is to have a fair chance at life by being able to escape.
You can’t compare those things
We as humans have morality (some of us at least) and we can tell when something is right or wrong. That’s what sets us apart from other animals, they act on instinct
You can compare those things. Humans ARE animals. We are on top of the food chain. It's the same thing as a wolf eating a lamb. Humans having morality is irrelevant. The only reason why you have the luxury of debating such trivialities is because we are a first world society and do not have a need for primal survival. This due to our food being readily available due to FARMING.... Now if you were in a third world society food isn't as readily available, and you will most likely hunt and forge for your food.
I'm sorry to pop your ideological bubble but that's how the world really works.
Eat or be eaten is the natural order of things.
@@allseeinghamster6001wolfs rape their own kinds, tigers lions do the same. They murder rape and cannabalise , that's the morals you stand behind when saying animals do that why shouldn't we
Top of the food chain?
Walk through a lion's den and then tell me you're on the top of the food chain mate
Also you have zero characteristics of an animal
You do not have paws you do not have claws and you do not have fangs
@@ryanmichaelangelofavale5863primitive humans gave caused the extinction of cave lions, far bigger than modern day lions, during the ice age, when all we had were spears and rocks.
He doesn't really "destroy" the activist as much as lightly argue with him.
I think the destruction was when he made the activist say that he treated the cows well
The title is a sarcastic one.
The maker of the video is the vegan one? Its obvioudly sarcastic. All the farmer is saying are lies
Humans aren't herbivores. This is a fact. We are omnivores. We eat just about everything.
@@johnmiller7612 exactly how humans aren’t moral people because we do everything immoral. Just because we have the ability to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do
If we lived in a perfect world the Big Mac would actually look like on advertisements instead of looking like an oreo
Truth yo
LIES I TELL YOU
Yep
This comment is obvious lie McDonald's big Macs are perfect
@@ronaldmcdonald01 oh no.. he’s here..
Farmer: We aint livin in a perfect world mate
Australia fires : yup
Edit: Anyone else waiting for the dislikes to catch up with the likes.
ua-cam.com/video/D85284NRjzw/v-deo.html
Absolutely. If we were living in a perfect world those cows would never have lived, or for the sake of argument let's say it did. It would spend it's life constantly braving the elements struggling to live in the wild till it eventually got old and/or sick then eventually unable to keep up with the heard, then it would languish for days collapsed on the ground until it succumbed to it's illness or starve to death, or if it's lucky torn apart by wild predators... bet that cow IF IT HAD THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO DO SO would've rather had been raised on a farm! ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THEIR OWN MORTALITY! LOLS!
@@StAlchemyst yeah, its so stupid to try and compare human emotions and such to the other creatures of this world imo
Corona virus : That's true
@@starcultiniser So you would be ok if someone stabbed a dog because even though it feels similar emotions to you and is in a similar state of awareness its not completely the same ?
As always, my mindset has been completely changed and revolutionized by a video with "DESTROYS" in the title.
2020: 20k likes and 20k dislikes
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Lol balanced or divided
@@ryublueblanka can't it be Both o3o
HK I’d say it’s a solid 20/40 on both side
@@hk6780 well...if these are Americans it's definitely divided
What does that tell you?
That there are 20k , intelligent, healthy, well adjusted, normal , meat eating human beings
And there are 20k fuckwits
"We don't live in a perfect world mate"
"Yes we do!"
..we're really not going to get anywhere in a conversation if someone thinks we live in a perfect world
if we live in a perfect world there wouldnt be predators like lions and preys like zebras and gazelles
Lol damn vegans thinking plant based is the way to go... have they ever stopped to also think they destroy the planet as well? They pay for crop area that can destroy habitats and water affinity crops like soybeans and almonds... .... I mean yea we definitely live in a perfect world right?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@imagna_kuroshiro7989 well i'm meat eating human, but bruh, crops destroying habitats, really ?
If you really care to make an argument, first lookup the amount of 1. Deforestation done in the name of raising animals 2. Produce grown to feed animals 3. Water consumed for raising animals.
The amount of produce the world makes currently is more than enough to feed three meals to every living soul, but guess what much more of it is produced to feed animals that end up on your plate, leaving one third of world population malnourished.
@@sourabhshetty2200 I’m almost certain people know all this deep down, indoctrination is a strong tool; hope you go vegan in the near future, you seem to know your stuff ✌️🌱
If this was perfect then we wouldn’t have to fix all the imperfections
I lost a lot of brain cells reading this comment section
Just one? are you nuts? it's almost like drinking gallons of absinthe =P
This comment section is so riddled with shit and puss, it's just like the milk which dairy fairies drink every day. For calcium and strong bones.
@@Johny40Se7en I think he was referring to the Vegans who are against animal cruelty, but have no problem with killing millions of rodents and insects, and displacing hundreds of millions of animals from their homes just to grow enough food to feed a population of 6 billion people.
@@elcamp3 We already grow enough food to feed 15 billion people. Not killing animals will actually let us grow LESS food, thereby returning a lot of land back to nature that can get naturally reclaimed by forests.
You all are making me lose brain cells
@@elcamp3 ohhh... Lest feed those to the people we are already killing them... We might anger them if they found out about it no body count means no evidence this is our next step to world domination. But we might actually need to eat those in the future we might as well start early...
“Good on ya mate. You’re doing well” true blue way of ending a conversation that was definitely dragging.
This was actually a great example of a respectful disagreement and discussion, bravo to both of these men!
I only saw man trying to put some sense in a petulant narcissistic self righteous child
@@Roman-po8yc they both respectfully had a discussion on the topic because there was no vegan woman there
@@aashushaikh5843 🤣 cracked me up
And we are not God.
Lol. Only vegans go around preaching to others about what they should eat! Bloody hilarious, it’s such an impressive waste of their time you’d have to be a lunatic that just loves conflict.
If we live in a perfect world, then what are you fighting for ?
His point was rather we can make this world perfect. He said that a sentence later.
@@iamaghost7971 No you cannot...A perfect world is in itself imperfect, due to the impossibility of it. Only Children and the immature think in terms of things like perfection. It is the calling card of dreamers, and the misguided, and extremists...convinced what they believe is right. The older I get, the more I learn, the more I realise there are many truths and there are many answers, and often several at once. People who crave perfection, are singularly righteous tyrants who would inflict grevious pain in their percieved righteousness.
@@mwnciboo not my opinion. I was clearing up the confusion people had about what the guy in the video said.
@Chloe Emerson again, I’m not saying that we can. I’m just clearing up the dude’s statement
We could only make a perfect world for all HUMANS.
Hahah "we live in a perfect world" when we humans came, it wasnt a perfect world anymore 🤣🤣
Exactly you know, humanity is capable of so many things but we are also destroying the planet
When was it ever a perfect world?
What is this comment section hahahah, the best we can do is ethical farming and even that is quite hard to accomplish at least world wide. If you don't like the reality of life then I wish you good luck. Oh and when you're being robbed at gun point by another human, try talking to them about compassion and morals...
Yeah before we existed other creatures used to help each other and don't attack or eat weaker and smaller animals until we human created in this world and then animals begin to prey on each other 😢
Dude the world was always cruel and strong creatures take advantage on the weaker ones before and after the creation of human🤷♀️
@@rhf101 of course i just commented as a joke
"How are you gonna feed everybody?"
"How? With plants, dude."
🤣 Epic. Like people forget plants exist.
Problem is that solely eating plants isn’t good for you.
lol do the math. That’s a retarded answer. Lb for lb it’s impossible to make up that calorie difference if we all went vegan. Meat is 10:1 calories.
@@atriggeredsjw8532 You need to get up to date, mate. Eating solely plants is actually the healthiest diet there is, as long as it's done right.
@@ArcanisUltra Non of what you said is based on any kind of fact 😂 I know nutritionists and they would call bullshit too 😂
@@ArcanisUltra A balanced diet that includes a variety of foods from different sources is generally considered the most nutritious and sustainable way to support optimal health and well-being.
If you believe eating strictly just plants is the healthiest diet, I would have to argue that you’re an idiot.
“But where’s the cow’s choice in this?”
The cow: MOO
American: "can I kill you?"
German "nein bitte lass das"
American "Well I can't understand you soo it must me ethical! :)"
The Cow doesn't want to die, you see that clearly in emotions and how they run away and how they Cry for their Baby's
@@jean7464 Does that apply for cockroaches as well? because I don't see any vegan activists fighting for cockroaches lives! is it because cows are cute and cockroaches are not?
@@hamadx9860 yes absolutely! At least for me. Cockroaches can feel pain and they don't want to die. It's true, insects doesn't get many attention sadly, but Vegans don't eat Honey normally, with is because of Bees that get killed, pregnated, and the queen's get their Wings cut and so on. So Insects also matter!
Every living thing has a right to live, even a tiny cockroach. I for myself am extremely scared if them, I have a really bad phobia and so on. Before I was vegan and before I thought about the whole topic I would just let my parents kill them because I was so scared, but the more I think about it the more I see that this tiny animals are also living and feeling creatures and therefore they have a right to live. It's not their fault that I am scared of them or that we think they are ugly.
Edit: I do think that many people actually think the way you said, like. Cows are cute, insects are not. But in my opinion that's not the right way, we can't just say that something is worth less because we don't like it. Those animals and insects are not objects. (I don't say you said it, I try to explain my point. I'm not a native speaker so it may come across wrong. I don't want to be mean or Assume anything about you)
@@aeternal005 yes I didn't know how to call it xD My English isn't that good I'm sorry. I mean that they get injections to reproduce
@@jean7464 shut ur vegan ass up, y'all think ppl like u encourage us to eat less meat, instead u encourage us to eat more meat, just stop us BS and eat a damn steak
Cows choice, I asked my cow and still waiting for a reply
Funny, I just asked a toddler the same thing before i shot it in the face and ate it because it couldnt reply.
@@SpaceKarenMonkeyKiller you enjoy your toddler. Now i am gonna eat my juicy beef
@@ahmedaiman5258 That's because they would rather let a human be killed by an animal rather than kill the animal.
Here get cows and make burgers:🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄
@@SpaceKarenMonkeyKiller dude that's hilarious
1st world problems. Perspective is everything.
That's why I love living in a 3rd world country...
Stfu it's called having principles you slum dwelling indentured rat
@@666zlatan666 you're assuming that we're poor because we live in a 3rd world country? Think again poor spoiled kid.
Yes, try the perspective of the farmed animal for example
@@acidmars8319 it's all they know
I wish people were informed how horrible is the way farm animals are treated and slaughtered by meatpacking/food service and how WRONG it is.
If we live in a perfect world, my soap would've killed those 1% remaining bacteries
yes
Lol yeah there is always 1% that gets away 😂
In all seriousness thought you don’t want to kill all the bacteria, some of them are good bacteria’s.
👏
Lol
He should’ve stopped when he said we live in a perfect world.
No this world is perfect. Poverty and starvation is fake and made up by the government
@@joffebisk1446 slave master in the 1840s *COUGHS EXTREMELY LOUD*
@@joffebisk1446 this is the biggest bullshit i ever heard
@@gurkemitsauce3489 I was being ironic you boring grain of dust
@@joffebisk1446 Just because i didn't recognize your humor you have to insult me. Very grown up of you
13k likes and 13k dislikes...
Thanos: perfectly balanced, as it should be...
Fixed
@Scandinavian Gamer
Eros and Thanatos, the constant struggle between the instincts of life and death... as Wilhelm Reich reminds us. 😇
I'm not vegan but you have to admit what he says makes sense. You wouldn't kill and eat a dog, so why do it to a cow? P. S. I'm actually a chef and love meat, fish and dairy. But I can see this guy's point.
Billy Goodman because cow meat is more better
@@billygoodman2777 because there is more meat on a cow
"Yeah but I'm not them"
Beautiful summary of their thought process.
"Its beastiality to fist a cow"
Proctologist: "Am I a joke to you ?"
one is with consent and the other isn't. If someone did it to a human without consent, what would we call it?
@@livjotsingh2307 not beastiality that's for sure
It's not coitus when u fist ur girlfriend and it's not beastiality if u fist a cow
@@livjotsingh2307 I mean a cow can’t really consent
@@jarondl2216 i Think for cows we look and act like beasts. For me it makes sense.
Him: “wheres the cows say in this??”
Cow: “moomoo”
Thats like saying you can abuse children/babies because they cannot speak
That Vegan Muslim but issa cow homie, not a human
@@thatveganmuslim babies do cry if they dont feel ok. Cows just go around and moo and thats because thats what they are used to
@@thatveganmuslim are you comparing animals with children? If you do you need help
@@thatveganmuslim beef is tasty...
"Do you separate the calves from the mother?" They do exactly the same thing with dogs and cats...
@@domenikvalci7743 indeed and that's why people shouldn't have pets because all those animals were separated from their parents and sold out to you. So you should get rid of all your pets.
@@domenikvalci7743 a lot of vegans do. So they should get rid of them. :)
@@jirenthegray792 They usually adopt abandoned ones from shelters, those who buy from the breeders are not vegan.
@@vighneshnayak270 there is no way of actually proving that. Some may do that for sure(vegan and non vegans both) but it doesn't mean that no vegan ever buys pets from breeders. Nice try though.
Some are probably people that can't have children
where does the vegan gets destroyed???? vegan is completly right and got a answer to everything the farmer says...
Is it truly right to impise your life style, belief, culture to others? No it is not. It is immoral to harm people only want eat meat and live. Many humans need meat. It is immoral to forbid them to this right. Animals will never remplace humans.
I'm so happy this has subtitles.
As a non english speaker, I can confirm
@@teradvantar3397 I'm glad you agree but you should really lose the nickname, nobody should call themselves that 😂
Angel Morales XD, it’s a silly joke jajajaja, was a bet with some friends XD
The guy English is clear but the diary farmer English is so hard to understand
@@zM8x is a countryside accent
"We don't live in a perfect world, we live in a society"
“That’s what I’ve been trying to say!” - George Costanza
@Marc Woolward but is it perfect?
We can make the world better fuck face
@@Fish-ey9lt Let's start with you
This world isn’t perfect Marc. Have you encountered problems in your life? Have you ever cried? If yes then you live in a current world where it isnt perfect. Otherwise we need not worry
Farmer - "Better be careful, you could destroy our industry"
Joey - "That's what we are trying to do"
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hahaha rip
Lawso Brilliant come back. As someone who doesn't personally know other vegans, his videos keep me sane.
Y'all aren't very succesful at it though
Lawso cuz it’s probably fucking staged!
Lawso
Yeah man, classic truthfull call that one!
Thats not cool. Thats his lively hood. He probobally has a family to feed. We are #1 on the food chain, get used to it.
I think people everywhere should call each other mate. That’s the only way we can have a reasonable discussion on controversial topics.
No one is getting destroyed they just having a normal discussion
It’s click bait to educate all the meat eating bimbos
@@Benjamin-hp8mw Meat eating in itself is not wrong. We are built to eat meat, we're omnivores. The problem is how the industry treats the animals. My family hunts our own meat to avoid contributing to it. This is okay in my book because I know the animal lived a happy life the way it was meant to, in the wild. Plus, we know none of the meat goes to waste and that its death was painless. We kill far less animals too, considering that a good sized buck lasts over a month. So yeah. I think meat eating is ok as long as you're not endorsing the industry.
Sorry for sloppy writing, I am commenting this from my phone lol
@@kayleighwybert4238 I agree but that isn’t scaleable how many people can hunt not a lot how many meat eaters are there the wild would be empty in a weekend and the meat industry aren’t going to start treating animals better Vegan is scaleable and we can survive on both I think we are in the middle of meat and vegetables all tho we can survive on just vegetables where as meat you would develop scurvy not knocking meat it’s just not got in the right way
@@Benjamin-hp8mw Could you say that again I was to Busy having a Prime 1 boneless beef ribeye steak
with a side of fried pigskin
@Blue Days but you arent a doctor, you got that info from google. We have molars to chew meat, if we were plant based we would have the teeth of a giraffe
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"At that moment I remembered that I'd witnessed this scene before time and time again It's always been unfolding before me. But...I turned a blind eye to it. That's right this world is cruel"
-Mikasa Ackerman-
Underrated comment
Hello, fellow weeb 🥸
Underrated.
Because this world is just that cruel
-bertholdt hoover
Hello rengoku
Farmer are back bone of the World.
Indeed!
well said
foxiow farmer No it wasn’t. I get what he was trying to say, but it wasn’t well said. Hahaha!
Amen !
God Bless both sides, But i wonder if Joe or his parents are religious (Jewish, Christian or Catholic), because in GOD'S GREAT BOOK (The Bible) eating Organic Grass-fed raw dairy was and still is Healthy , God's Prophet Abraham fed three Angels from God Butter, Milk and after preparing the Calf, ate that too (GENESIS 18: 7-8) in the Name of God, hence the repeated biblical expression by God in the same Book Genesis, "The Land Flowing with "Milk" and Honey". God encouraged the Jews to eat Organic Grass-fed Dairy. It was essential part of the Diet, not just "for Breakfast" LOL. My Parents raised me and my sibling(s) on Dairy and I am God Gratefully they did!
God Bless to All! Healthy Eating.
If one says he or she likes animals but eat meat then that person does NOT like animals. If a person likes animals he or she does NOT eat flesh.
So I can't eat pizza if I like it?
"You're gonna put us out of the job"
"That's what we're trying to do"😂😂😂😂😂😂
Right? I don't give a shit if some guy who makes his business off of raping (forcefully inseminating) and killing cows looses his job.
@RedGuard entitled motherfuckers worried about abuse that isn't there......"enslavement" lol that makes me laugh.
You have a vivid imagination that's not what he said. he said this:
0:08 "You could ruin our industry" Not what you think he said.
For people like them they think that its much ethical to exploit someone for money rather than keep them as family members as pets💔
Not a bloody prayer. Meat is too good for you. What's more, you wouldn't be here if it were not for meat.
Dude, your parents shouldn't have allowed you to watch all that cartoons with talking animals.
Eh, I watched the cow and chicken cartoon as a kid and I enjoy eating both cow and chicken
Hahahahahahah tom and jerry taste so juicy...exotic
@@antonego8594 the bests are still johnny and dukey from johnny test, juicy dog and child meat for better experience use them as a meat pie ;) meat tha best btw
@Meggy McKechnie omg why cant u simply be quiet
Dude, your parents shouldn't have allowed you to crawl into existence :o
Well hey props to the both of them for not getting mad and being all friendly about it!!
Vegan guy was being a bit passive aggressive.
We shouldn't have respect for those who get angry so easily. How did he even become an activist
@@rahulhalder8475 how is he angry? Both of them are being mildly passive aggressive, but nothing above what a normal debate constitutes, do you have eyes and ears?
@@rahulhalder8475 this single clip doesn’t represent all of his work, even if he got genuinely mad and shouted, people make mistakes; we see celebrities called up for 10 year old Tweets, one little thing doesn’t define someone 😛
@VOTERFRAUD BIDEN with your username I can tell you were gonna say something dumb
If someone says they have compassion but limited their compassion to people that is NOT real, real compassion is towards animals and people.
Do you have compassion for a fruit fly?
I'm going vegan for health reasons mainly. If humans are meant to eat meat why don't we have the sharp teeth of other meat eaters? Why do we have to cook our meat, and we don't chase our prey and bite into their flesh while they live, like other carnivores/omnivores? People started eating animals (and other humans) due to starvation but we're not starving anymore.
But I agree with non-vegans who pointed out animals are violent with each other. I don't think farmers are causing MORE violence than is natural already.
It seems to me you made good points since as you indicated, we humans do NOT have the qualities that other animals have such as leons for example, to eat meat.
@acfollowjcor318 our intestines can digest meat pretty well, humans don't hunt with their teeth, hence why it's flat, and we do have canines, but they became smaller do to oral language.
Yes.
By his logic a sheep can politely say "no" to the wolf thats trying to brutally strangle it, the wolf cant cut its oxygen without the sheeps permission right guys?
Exactly we don't live in a perfect world
true
More like the wolf takes hundreds of sheep and puts them on a farm, milks and feeds them, THEN brutally strangles it.
You missed the point, the job isn't to stop inflicting pain completely and entirely, it's to mitigate pain and reduce it substantially, albeit there will be pain in an ecosystem.
And by the way, the suffering we inflict upon these animals is way worse than when they're in the wild getting hunted down, and the numbers and statistics of their deaths in farms are way more, your logic is fallacious.
@@jeannedarc7533 these people are saying that the farmer cant kill the sheep without its permission, literally, it makes no sense really, i dont think the farmer is sick enough to inflict pain on it rather than just cutting the throat so it dies faster, the point is to inflict as little pain as possible but still get the wanted product from the animal
I wish all disagreements were like this their having a heated discussion but no yelling or violence
if there were no laws, these 2 would be ripping each other apart with their bare hands while stabbing each other in the eyes with their teeth
@DC 10o01 well heated discussions make you angry, when ur angry u do violence, ez logic
baller desu for primitive people. (:
Lets all wish together.
@@kuragari9846 Human nature is all about violence and sexual attraction. That is why "Run the gauntlet" was made.
Lion "Hey mate is it alright if I make you a bite to eat"
Antilope "No I do not consent thank you very much"
Lion "I love it when you play hard to get"
Chroniiq wow didnt know humans are like lions
@@estebandeutschuntericht1728it's not exactly meant to be taken seriously but ok.
Zebra jumps in "oh c'mon m8 just eat the ass... *grass* my bad" hehe
@@estebandeutschuntericht1728 well yes were both animals so we got that in common
100th like
The US agriculture department is just NOT good, if it was good it would do something to stop forever meatpacking/food service business cruelty against farm animals.
We will live in a perfect world, when we’re dead.
What .....6 feet under.
@@eckyx9019 sorry i don't billie eyelash or whatever
@@joe_pinch billie irish
The idea of a perfect world would be on someone's imagination
How could we live if were dead?
how dare this guy say that we can eat plants. put yourself in the plants position and your child plant got chopped down!
You are absolutely right. But if we eat animals, we actually eat more plants, because we have to feed the animals. So if you feel sorry for the plants: go vegan! :)
@@randomearthling5214 See, that's selfishness and racism against plants. If you're eating plants then eat animals too. Only makes sense. :P
@@randomearthling5214. That made no sense, there isn't even an argument to go along with you said because it was so shitty
@@randomearthling5214 what crack are you smoking if we eat animals we are not eating more plants. If we just ate plants we would eat more because animals would still eat plants.
@@manfridchicken1263 We are. See, we have to "kill" plants. Then we feed them to the animals. Then we kill the animals. Instead we could directly "kill" the plants and eat them. We need 17 kg of plants to produce one kg of meat.
Perfect realism
“We don’t live in a perfect world”
I’m not being sarcastic I genuinely believe he’s right
Zoubek Ukrutný go cry yourself to sleep
Vegans make me sick
@@kingdaleclarke the situation is not as simple as your mind makes it out to be. The human race is growing at ridiculous rates and the planet is warming. Do you know the biggest contributor to the warming? Animal agriculture. That's just one of the issues. This leads to deforestation, habit loss and extinction to certain species. We are vermin when we just consume without thought. I suppose you feel capitalism is fine too. Take whatever you want and sell it until there is nothing left. Even fossil fuel companies acknowledge there is a issue
It's Spoodini well a couple of vegans aren’t gunna change anything
@@evanmiller2591 better to try than give up. If you was in Nazi Germany, would you give people up or would you stand the fuck up? You may be the minority but you have a choice.
If you can't show respect and compassion to an animal then your soul has not truly awakened.
Totally true
That farmer guy really know his stuff. Kudos to that guy for providing us a good quality meat.
stfu
@@crashbee8787 oh so now your going to censor him karen. All he did was thank the farmer for the food he eats. Your so disrespectful.🖕🏾
@@akinbobolaz 🙄
@@crashbee8787 no u
@@crashbee8787 nah man you STFU
That argument went absolutely nowhere
I'll take it somewhere for you:
I dont want to 'go there' but studies have been performed on plants that could blow ppls minds in proving they are sentient beings. Mother nature does not make mistakes no matter how smart we think we are. There is a natural order of dominance regarding consumption of plants and animals and it works. It's called a food chain. Sorry. It's a fact.
ps: We can all eat plants can we according to this fool.. He obviously is not good with numbers. For the entire planet to be eating a plant based vegan diet there would be NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH space, utilities and many more things to sustain healthy living. Beside that, if we did eat all the plants based products animals relying on those food would starve and die anyway! This shit about lets eat plants claim is made by absolute turds who think THEY CAN CREATE the perfect world. You aren't that special guys. This doesn't happen in 3rd world countries.. Entitled selfish pricks that have the time to complain about what someone else eats, is the epitome of abusing natural privilege.
@@louispconstant6624 I'd disagree that there wouldn't be enough space. There would be if livestock fields were turned towards crops. However the thing vegans overlook is soil degradation. The fertility of the soil would dry up fast if livestock wasn't being kept on it and we'd still have to butcher species like cows into extinction anyways otherwise we'd have roaming herds eating everything in sight.
I'm assuming the mind blowing things about plant sentience is roughly what is described in Brilliant Green by Stefano Mancuso damn interesting read that actually.
Logically less people and more traditional farming would be as cruelty free as the world is designed to take. The mass production required to feed the worlds population inevitably comes with significant cruelty. And even has a meat lover i personally cannot justify mass production of pork. Factory farming of pigs is disgusting and we will only ever keep ours free to roam and root about large paddocks. Yeah the end result is the same but they can enjoy life in the meantime.
@@bloodandhonorireland3329 Cheers for the reply. You are right about the soil degradation 100%. I just watched a really good documentary on the history of the Amazon and how most of it is a big garden. In the Amazon the people that inhabited it had to resort to "black dirt" (which is still kind of a mystery how it is made) to fertilize. I also agree on the farming of pigs. I do watch all of these documentaries that come out and also have farming in the family. Pig farming can be cruel, and it is as you said the amount of mass production needed that creates these situations. As well as greed and lack of empathy of course. Unfortunately people don't really understand one of us has to die. People have to decrease or animals need to be killed and consumed.
The way the man talks about his cows in this clip, I have little doubt they would take care of them and give them the best lives possible. (he was also quite a gentleman about it tbh)
The space thing is not the biggest issue but I was saying in regards to space for cultivation, animals and the amount of humans on the planet.
I like that you guys do your best to help the pigs have a happy life while it lasts.
Even as humans, is that not all we can ask from mother nature?
To the Op Henselt the fake. I disagree that the argument went nowhere, as it showed that you can how a peaceful disagreement. And most likely showed the vegan protester that the farmer is just as human as himself. The protester seemed lost for words. edit: activist/who cares. I'd call him an idiot tbh.
@@louispconstant6624 I only meant that it seemed to come to no solid conclusion because I expected the activist to be a complete idiot that could only argue by saying 'Eating animals is bad' but he clearly wasn't and neither were the farmer and it was overall an interesting conversation which I intend to not take a side in because I do not have enough knowledge to take one side over the other.
I did infact find your comments interesting because they taught me something new about this subject so thank you for that and I hope you have a nice day.
Cheers!
I love how the farmer remained calm through his discussion!
I would have knocked the other guy up the head if it were me
Because he is right!
@@modernasassin9386 You realize the other guy is the channel of this video right? LUL
I didn't know that, but it doesn't change my stance on the matter.
Knowing that he posted it just makes the vid more comedic as he acctually posyed himself spouting that nonsense
Thanks for telling me😂
So young and naive. Yet the old man remains calm and answers wisely. Driven by emotions vs driven by logic.
If "logic" means to be okay that farm animals are treated terribly and then slaughtered in a terrible way by meatpacking/food industry so "logic" makes NO sense, and it is cruel to say the least.
if i choose dislike that go for the old man or the vegan guy?
The vegan guy ofc
Like - Team Farmer
Dislike - Team Vegan
I liked it for the old man, screw the vegan.
Trinity Livingston
Why support the farmer, he was contradicting himself the entire time.
@@TheOneAndOnlyHope because he wasn't interrupting and was being polite.
I enjoyed the fact that they had a conversation and not a screaming argument
I mean the farmer didn't even try to counter any of the criticisms given by the vegan. It wasn't really a conversation so much as the farmer stating fallacies and leaving? Just because they didn't fight doesn't mean it was a commendable and constructive debate.
@@RoseKR He countered that the animals aren't stressed and they're treated well, not abused. I agree he had no defense for killing the animals, though.
@@RoseKR
He didn't need to, the point of the argument was enslaving and mainly abusing the animals.
ill just state off the bat, cows and other barn animals would have a much worse life in the wild than in the protection of a barn where they eventually get slaughtered yes.
But the cows and other animals have a happy full life until the end, regardless if the animal is "enslaved" or not.
We give them a happy life in the modern world until their end Even if its not a Full life it was a happy one, in return they supply us with meat and other product, as is the demand of the Far from perfect and Never will be perfect world.
Life is cruel and even if we didn't cage, kill and butcher them, the cows and other barn animals, would suffer, be hunted and killed by predators and other animals in the wild.
they just look at, "oh you kill the animal in the end, that's abuse!" and don't look at anything else.
it's completely pointless to debate or argue with them. the end.
First time talking about it, and this will be my only comment on this subject.
have a nice rest of your day whoever reads this. ^^
@@phoahseilah I'm afraid there's a number of misunderstandings and logical fallacies in your arguments. Let's list them for clarity:
1. "Animals live worse in the wild"
It doesn't matter how bad *somewhere else* is - that doesn't justify your current actions here. Sure jews would have a worse time in nazi germany than in prison, does that mean its logically a moral act to imprison people for being jews? Clearly not, so this logic doesn't hold up. Just because someone's current conditions aren't the worst possible doesn't make those conditions ok.
2. "The cows are happy until death"
This sidesteps the entire issue surrounding their torturous death but even if we grant you it, all dairy cows must be forcefully impregnated by farmers to get them to produce milk, and their babies are taken away from them hours after birth and the cows mourn for their lost kids. If that is happy to you then I don't know what kind of life you are living.
Additionally, they are given growth hormones to make them more profitable which cause them a number of health problems and pain during their short time alive. It is anything but happy.
3. "Life is cruel"
This is not a justification to do a different, also cruel, action. Again, just because nazis would treat jews worse than the prison system - this obviously doesn't justify imprisoning jews for being jews.
4. "You only look at the abuse in their death instead of their entire life"
There are 2 majors issues in this argument:
A) You are again trying to just ignore the torturous death they undergo as if it doesn't exist.
B) You are completely neglecting all of the pain and abuse they go through during their lives. Especially when 99% of meat in america comes from factory farming, it is abuse the entire time.
You clearly haven't discussed these issues with any vegans before watching this short video so I don't blame you for not knowing about it, but ignorance only holds when you are unaware. I have now made you aware of the reality of this industry so you cannot claim to not know of it's abuse. It's there and you can find out more about it online.
@@phoahseilahWhy do people think if the cows aren’t being slaughtered we’d just throw them into the wild? You sound very silly when you say that.
When the animal is hungry, they won’t care about you mate.
Maybe humans should feed on animals & animals feed on vegans .
Both are happy 😊
@@ajthomas770 ingenious
Vegetarian countries wanna promote their vegetable producrs
@@sM-to8ni well I am not sure that's the case .
Being vegan is good for weight loss 📉.
But to interfere with other businesses in meat industry & these same people are Go green radical nut jobs & 70% commies.
So ya countries who wants to see the fall of western nations loves it .
I mean look at non western nations there are no problems 😊 like these .
Vegan is an asian i think on a missionary business to promote his countries vegetables, just like dome adian countries beat up people eating non vegetarian food
We're all animals here, eating each other is what Nature intended.
Make other animals suffer is WRONG.
“We don’t live in a perfect world”
“Yes we do”
Literally poverty everywhere in the world: yup
Because of Zionists, wake up.
The world is perfect it's just people
Man will never be satisfied
@Elfoxity 1. You have any CREDIBLE sources for that statement?
2. This is an invalid argument. World poverty is FAR more than just meat and dairy industry. The two are hardly intertwined with each other.
3. Do you have personal bias that would make you say such an imbecilic thing? (I don't expect you to be honest with that).
@Elfoxity so if we stops making farms, there won't be any hunger? By cutting out half of the food industry?
You know, if we all just died, we wouldn't need to have this argument.
Underrated. No matter what we do, we're always killing something to survive.
@@AngelMorales-qn8bf that is known as darwin theory " survival of the fittest"
@@AngelMorales-qn8bf that's what the early men thought when cannabilasm was rampant. then we learn it was not essential for survival and moved on. it's time to do the same with meat.
@@12keerthanatarurxd52 idk man, this steak wont eat itself.
@@p3el_ i can change your mind, do you want me to?
“Love it mate... good on ya mate... ya doing well” as he walked off was fantastic 😂
He looked like a happy drunk.
Yes it’s very easy to be ignorant
The vegan here is acting like a typical vegan. The farmer, however, isn't acting how a typical American behaves when debating a vegan.
That's why a lot of us are pleasantly surprised. Vegan haters can learn something from this video.
@@yungpunk3522 go away mate smh 🤦♂️
@@richardcrawford1859 where am I wrong?
People that really love animals do NOT eat meat.
No matter how I feel about it, I respect the hell out of these two gentlemen. They're both making their points and they're not resorting to just insulting each other. To be honest I'm not sure I could hold it together like either of these guys. And special props to the farmer for ending the debate and moving on once he was done.
Well said.
It’s important never to fall for the Ad Hominem fallacy, it only makes you look dumber.
The vegan was imposing his ideas onto the farmer though. It wasn't a conversation the farmer cared to have but he was nice enough to participate.
yeah i was impressed that they let each other talk and responded to each other's points
@@4120306 we became omnivores for a reason guys. Sure we might evolve to be herbivores but that doesn't mean we wont need other animals. Especially calcium. Heck herbivores today do it. I think our perfect world just needs acceptance. Look at some meat factories today, they have gotten alot more humane the only thing that considered bad is "killing".
3:59 I was eating cereal and I nearly choked when the dude said cows love getting fisted 🤣🤣
The worst part is that is kinda true they do it they can farm the sperm and yeah...
Like damn wrestlers like "CMON BRING IT ON MATE COME ON"
Dont knock until you've tried it
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They do it for health reasons
How he talks about the cows "loving" abuse... Someone fist that farmer.
If that picture is you, you even look like a NITWIT.
"It's not bestialtiy" another great quote by this Australian who had to leave his country cause he got kicked out
The product of years and years of deep conditioning
Kellz
Obviously forgot to condition the hair tho.
What bothers me is how such people can fall in love, get married and have a family. #antinatalist
Marc Ten Low I love it when my bloody, juicy, delicious piece of cow enters my mouth!
A bit off-topic but thanks for your reply. All that I have to say to you is watch out for the reactions from your meat-eating habits. Constipation, and also internal bleeding. Take care!
Enjoy all that unfermented soy... you know the stuff that contains isoflavones which act as phytoestrogens (plant estrogens). The same stuff that has been linked to increased oestrogen levels in males which leads to reduced testosterone levels, loss of sex drive, erectile dysfunction and also sees levels of blood DHEA and DHT levels plummet significantly. Animal studies also linked the isoflavones in soy to breast cancer. The correlation between increased breast cancer in men and an increase in unfermented soy consumption is shocking to say the least... The truth is we need a balanced diet which includes meat, admittedly in lower volumes, but to say we can stop eating meat altogether is not realistic at present.
Just ate a steak a few hours ago, and it was delicious let me tell you.
Máximo Saavedra lol your pathetic attempt at triggering any vegan has failed 😂
@@Alan-hq6ei get some pork on your fork
BBgun gaming I’d rather not consume the dead body of a once living breathing sentient and suffering animal but if you want to more power to you you’ll be the one getting heart disease or cancer 👎🏻
@@Alan-hq6ei says a clearly triggered vegan. The irony is almost as delicious as that steak.
Mate wanna share ?
We can’t have a perfect world because we all want different things (edit: I’m not a socialist or fascist, I am also not a vegan although I don’t eat that much because it doesn’t taste that good to me.)
fngsdy53 Nop we want yall to stop eating meat because we don’t need and have the right to kill innocent animal, simple as it seems 🙏
@@crazyshocker1095 Its overly simplistic, because when going into intricacy becomes clearly idealistic. Ex vegan for nearly 6 years ended it 5 months ago, fish cheese and eggs incorporated back and feeling healthier than ever!!!!
RoweHowe I am not saying that being vegan is simple, i am not vegan myself i am vegetarian. But the idea is simple: It is not fair that we kill innocent animals in our rich society when we know we can definitely live without eating meat, and that they are sensible. So good for you if you fell good physically but feeling good morally is even better.
Crazy Shocker who said I eat meat
MEMEANDCO Nobody
If America was a first world country it would NOT allow meatpacking businesses do the terrible things they do against farm animals.
Unfortunately this happens in all first world countries.
Those so called" first world countries" in reality are NOT first world countries if they allow the meatpacking business do the horrible things it does against farm animals, they may say they are but there is NO morals there, empty words.
People being shot to death. Does this look like the perfect world
Is that the worst thing you came up with?
This world is so imperfect
@@niklasvilhelm7247 i want to hear the worst most horrible things happening in tye world. It would probably be quite interesting.
JoffeBisk global warming
@@TavaiNT that's quite a good example. We should start doing this on mars instead. That place is already too cold so it wouldn't be too much of a problem to heat it up
When that vegan said "we live in a perfect world" I instantly threw my phone across the room
Chubby Mungus he said we can try to make it perfect
Pity about your phone though
@@Phoenix-King-ozai yeah... Eating salad will stop terrorism, rape, illnes, hunger...
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Dolores is dead
Eating less meat means less land being used to feed animals and more being used to feed us with plants. Leading cause of death in America is heart disease which killed more than half a million Americans in 2017. Heart disease is linked to increased consumption of fats and cholesterol which are found in abundance animal products. Plants have zero cholesterol. The rape and terrorist part is one that can’t be solved overnight but at least you are making the world a better place by ditching meat. Try his challenge out for yourself and see how you feel after 22 days. challenge22.com/?group=351
Mire Farah just wait a few years, farmers will start working in meat cloning factories, there will be less animals needed for meat, and there will be one less reason to be vegan, so if someone was vegan because they don’t like that animals are killed for meat, than they probably wouldn’t be vegan because most meat will be cloned soon.
I like how the guy that titled the video was the one that got “destroyed by dairy farmer”.
LMAO
lol
@@Dutchvanderlinde. when are you going to Tahiti?
When you don't understand sarcasm
Bogyman the dark We just need Money, Son
I wonder if he owns any product made of animals like a belt, shoe, hat, watch, ornaments, clothing
The name of the video really confused people. Don't u realize that the vegan in this video is the channel owner? That's why the like/dislike ratio is how it is. Some like it for the tittle and some dislike because of the owner, or the other way around.
just a trick to get those with opposing views to come & watch. Thus the ratio
It's how he gets his views up because vegtards are a minority and people will just click like because it's a the tofu Taliban getting shafted
willshady100 nah it’s cus meat lovers click on it to watch vegans get owned, get sucked in to watch it, only for the farmer to be an idiot and hopefully open people’s minds that meat is wrong
Elin Kirkman he wasn’t an idiot though
A X did we watch the same video???
If we lived in a perfect world, we would be able to drink as much alcohol as we want without any hangovers
Tryin some Canadian Mist for the first time. I wish you a big drink as well, Greed. With zero hangovers, that is...
Tryin some Canadian Mist for the first time. I wish you a big drink as well, Greed. With zero hangovers, that is...
@@somelonelyshmuck4274 Of all of the types of alcohol I've ever drank, the closest I've ever had to a hangover was here recently when I got almost blacked out (probably had a minor case of alcohol poisoning) drunk off of Everclear and the next day, I was still feeling "drunk" but I was still able to walk like I was completely sober, think like I was completely sober, etc. and it just felt like I'd just woke up from sleeping like 18 hours with a regular 8 hour sleep schedule behind it.
@@andymanson3836 doesn't sound so bad. Sounds like how I feel on the regular
Only retardz love alcohol you know ..people who like to drink away their problems and act like nothing ever happens the day after
"We don't live in a perfect world"
@@bkaugustprod.w2geezy327 exactly 💯
@Dan Gavin What's that? Oh sorry, i couldn't hear you from the sound of me crunching some delicious chicken wings.
@Dan Gavin plant abuser
@@JohnnyLouisXIX lol
@The 1st real Daniel Gavin Meat doesn’t cause cancer
I know farmers and seen how much care those animals get, both from vets and the people on the farm. They work 16 hour days making sure their animals are cared for.
I wish all this care you mentioned means do NOT slaughter those farm animals eventually because those animals deserve to live, they deserve compassion.
for profit, and it's unsustainable, open your eyes.
for what reason? exploitation. Often resulting in the death of the animal. Stock farmers are human parasites. They are not symbiotic organisms.They could be, but only if there is a dollar in it. Farmers are liked only by farmers or those in the pay of Big Ag. Thinking people have to keep a close eye on them. Outlaw muelsing, outlaw live export. These come from thinking people in defiance of farmers. We see the true character of Aussie Farmers in their politicians. Hello Barnaby.
@@Brukner841stupid
If we lived in a perfect world my cows will turn into a thicc anime girl with cow ears
wtf
@@alehlete830 and make family out of it,
@@briefersrock4591 good idea more cow girls for the next generation
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I feel like eating a steak 🥩
Addythebeast how dare you eat to survive!
Yashash Dave Its okay buddy we know that your triggered
Dominik Kovacs I also eat to survive, just no animals.
Yashash Dave man do you realize that plants also have live, stop eating the plants I’m meatism now, justice for plants man
Addythebeast haha. The classic im a bitch and I have a daddy issue so I'm gonna cry plants have life and hide my manliness behind the gun and bang on the door like a little girl. Lolz.
You can wake up people who are sleeping...not people who are pretending to be sleeping
That is so right.
Damn right
You can't turn land into soil with chemicals. This is what is happening to the planet now the animals are being removed. The soil is turning to sand. The life in the soil is being killed off and it's washing into the rivers and streams, eventually into the seas which is now killing fish. This is the fault of big business and religion that believe animals should be saved.
@@toni4729 on the contrary the livestock industry with the billions of animals reared for food and dairy are a major cause of pollution in rivers and ecosystems. No animals are being saved and in fact meat consumption has been on an upward curve for decades.
At a certain point, you've woken up all the sleepers and you have to deal with the people who are awake to the issue and still don't agree.