November 24, 1963 - Interview with Michael Paine, acquaintance of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald

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  • @rongenung
    @rongenung 2 місяці тому +31

    Michael Paine was far stranger than Lee Oswald. He and his exwife Ruth were Oswald's handlers and their part in the plot has yet to be exposed to the public.

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 2 місяці тому

      I will guess that you are correct. It seems Lee was surrounded with scum.

    • @Ilsimeone
      @Ilsimeone 2 місяці тому +3

      If Oswald had a handler, it wasn't the Paines, but rather George de Mohrenschildt, as Ion Mihai Pacepa wrote.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому +3

      That's a lie -- total nonsense. Ruth Paine is a kind-hearted woman who helped Oswald and his wife. Ruth Paine didn't "handle" him in any way. You don't what you're talking about.

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 2 місяці тому +2

      @@FrankCoffman Do some honest research is all I can tell ya

    • @greg7129
      @greg7129 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Ilsimeone Yeah I do believe George was his handler but the Paine's were following orders

  • @craft-o-matic399
    @craft-o-matic399 2 місяці тому +20

    He looks, sounds, and has the same facial expressions as Oswald. Interesting. Paine sounds very well rehearsed.

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 2 місяці тому +6

      It would be difficult to tell the difference between Oswald and this man in a tense situation.

    • @craft-o-matic399
      @craft-o-matic399 2 місяці тому

      @douglasdixon524 Most definitely.

    • @luckyben67
      @luckyben67 2 місяці тому +3

      He looks like Lee! Remember on that day, there was two other lees that look like him. This was the plot.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      @@luckyben67 4 witnesses said they saw a Lee Oswald lookalike coming down the knoll and getting into a Nash Rambler. Craig was only one of them. One woman said, "If it wasn't Lee Oswald, it was his twin."

  • @vgsplyr7
    @vgsplyr7 2 місяці тому +18

    He sure has a strong resemblance to Oswald.

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 2 місяці тому

      He looks like The Nazi Joseph Goerbels

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 2 місяці тому +2

      I noticed the same thing.

    • @leeoliver424
      @leeoliver424 2 місяці тому

      So what’s your point?

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 2 місяці тому +1

      @@vgsplyr7 I think he looks like Joseph Goerbels

    • @fermisparadox01
      @fermisparadox01 2 місяці тому +1

      Mannerisms too.

  • @bertilknudsen
    @bertilknudsen 2 місяці тому +33

    If LHO «wanted to make a mark on society», how come he said he was just a patsy?

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf 2 місяці тому +10

      Exactly.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 2 місяці тому +15

      Exactly, it was like he wasn't bragging, just the opposite, as if he knew he was set-up, There's no way Oswald hit the president with that fatal headshot. No way.

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf 2 місяці тому +5

      @@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 He didn't fire a weapon at all.

    • @dab.
      @dab. 2 місяці тому

      He said he was a patsy because he had lived in the Soviet Union, not because he was a part of any conspiracy.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 2 місяці тому +3

      @@dab. He said it, because he was set up. I think he was about to spill the beans. Just like ruby did to Dorothy kilgallen. They all died mysteriously too.

  • @arcanondrum6543
    @arcanondrum6543 2 місяці тому +17

    While the building was decades old, the Texas School Book Depository itself was founded in 1963, its owner's name is presently unavailable to me but I recall that he was connected to either Michael and Ruth Paine or to George de Mohrenschildt (another"friend"/handler of Oswald).

    • @penguin1924
      @penguin1924 2 місяці тому +4

      The owner was David Harold Byrd, a Texas oil man and co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow 2 місяці тому

      Book depository function moved from Dal-Tex building to across the street where it was on Nov. 22. Moved in April 1963 once HL Hunt oil baron owned Dal-Tex and DH Byrd, owner of Nov 22 book depository, learned JFK was coming to town, Shooting planned for coming from Dal-Tex, but passed in front of Byrd book depository so people would think shots came from this "Oswald" building. Total scam full of magic tricks. Oswald was on second floor of Nov 22 book depository, having a Coke, when JFK shot. Oswald was told it was a sham assassination to scare JFK into invading Cuba. All Oswald had to do was put on his Castro act and flee from the theater via CIA driver to the CIA retirement paradise.

    • @dab.
      @dab. 2 місяці тому

      @@penguin1924 Byrd owned the building, not the company.

    • @arcanondrum6543
      @arcanondrum6543 2 місяці тому +3

      While Byrd may or may not have owned the company, his connection to the Civil Air Patrol is significant because Oswald had joined the Civil Air Patrol before he joined the Marines and the Chapter's (perhaps only) licensed Pilot was David Ferry. David Ferry was homosexuall. I have most definitely seen a photograph of Dave Ferry, Lee Oswald and other young men purportedly all while members of the Civil Air Patrol. For those unaware, Civil Air Patrol chapters exist to this day around the country. They are for young people who are interested in becoming pilots and the CAP often participates in searches, such as for lost hikers : One experienced pilot, CAP passengers looking for the missing person.
      Oswald was boyish looking and attractive, Dave Ferry claimed however that he "didn't know Oswald". Everyone familiar with Stone's movie knows that Joe Pesci portrayed Ferry (by the way; John Candy's portrayal? Spot on). Ferry would have been useful if you wanted to leave town in 1963, without being seen.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow 2 місяці тому

      @@arcanondrum6543 The guy in CAP was the American Oswald, who was also homosexual. The Hungarian Oswald, fed to Jack Ruby ultimately, was heterosexual. Notice Nov. 21 Ferry was at a skating rink in Houston, waiting next to a phone. The building was next to the airport. He was probably on standby, ready to bring operators to Texas if any last-minute needs arose. D.H. Byrd was a big pal of LBJ and could fly into the ranch any time he wanted. Byrd was also a pal of Curtis LeMay, from whom he got a certificate of appreciation.

  • @b.abrackus6403
    @b.abrackus6403 2 місяці тому +18

    Evil

  • @davidhenschel1990
    @davidhenschel1990 2 місяці тому +5

    Mr. Paine was never filmed again after this. This was less than 24 hours after Oswald died. Videocassette recording became commonplace fifteen years later, but no one used that technology to capture Mr. Paine talking. Yet his wife Ruth was filmed in 1963 and decades later was captured on video many times. Michael Paine lived until 2018, and this rehearsed conversation is all that survives? His Warren Commission testimony was rehearsed, not recorded electronically, and therefore has little value.

    • @Fortaguada
      @Fortaguada 2 місяці тому +2

      He appears in the recent Ruth Paine documentary just before he died.

    • @kathrynfauble9053
      @kathrynfauble9053 2 місяці тому +2

      @Fortaguada That is awesome that a documentary filmmaker captured Michael Paine talking shortly before his 2018 passing.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      No, he was filmed several times even in Ruth Paine's home after they were divorced. In a very late video before his death, he even admitted half heartedly there could have been a 2nd shooter. Michael was not as polished as Ruth. But then when you have to lie about the gun, and how you came to know the Oswalds, you have to be polished. Ruth was the perfect CIA asset. But Michael's family (the Forbes) owned a private island in which the family summered at. Alan Dulles had a mistress who was very good friends with Michael's mom. They were very connected.

  • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
    @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 25 днів тому +2

    He looks like he could be Oswald's twin. That might be a clue right there. The interviewer asks, "He was not able to find work?" But after getting that job at the Book Depository (1.25 An hour) he still was able to own thousands of dollars in Photography equipment that he stored in Ruth's garage.

  • @bookofrevelation4924
    @bookofrevelation4924 2 місяці тому +14

    Why is this man speaking as if it's proven by then that Oswald did it?
    Why isn't he reserving judgment until proven at a trial?

    • @cjay2
      @cjay2 2 місяці тому +5

      Because the whole thing was meant to be hidden forever.

    • @wizardglick1
      @wizardglick1 2 місяці тому +1

      Amen to That

    • @PaulHenreid
      @PaulHenreid 24 дні тому

      Because the Paines were a key component of the CIA conspiracy to frame Oswald.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      Even Cronkite was parroting the same "3 shots" nonsense within minutes of the Assassination. The response was well orchestrated. And once they hijacked the body and the Limo, they knew they could say anything and people would believe it. That is why they are the CIA. They are good at misdirection. The Warren Report was 26 volumes of misdirection.

  • @poiuytre11111
    @poiuytre11111 Місяць тому +3

    he is the second Oswald

  • @mobyjoe1
    @mobyjoe1 2 місяці тому +18

    This guy looks like he's been trained by the alphabet agency called the CIA.

    • @cjay2
      @cjay2 2 місяці тому +3

      Exactly.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t 2 місяці тому +1

      And what exactly does this look look like? 😂

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      What a stupid remark --- typical of conspiracy wackos.

    • @mobyjoe1
      @mobyjoe1 2 місяці тому

      @FrankCoffman says the guy who still believes the Warren commission's lone gunman theory.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      @@mobyjoe1 ~ says a guy who doesn't know the evidence and who sees CIA agents everywhere

  • @Fortaguada
    @Fortaguada 2 місяці тому +2

    If ever there was a LHO impersonator out there, he is a good candidate.

  • @userprecisealt4136
    @userprecisealt4136 2 місяці тому +15

    Devil's Chessboard anyone?

  • @GeraldMantel
    @GeraldMantel 2 місяці тому +52

    He and his wife were part of the plot, period.

    • @spankflaps1365
      @spankflaps1365 2 місяці тому +1

      He literally just said he spoke to Oswald 3 times.
      No grand conspiracy could work with so little communication.

    • @FOTAP97
      @FOTAP97 2 місяці тому +6

      “Just following orders…”

    • @paulaccorsini1228
      @paulaccorsini1228 2 місяці тому +5

      Why did Ruth Paine have such an interest in Marina Oswald?

    • @GeraldMantel
      @GeraldMantel 2 місяці тому +10

      @paulaccorsini1228 Part of the process of setting up Lee for the assassination.

    • @harleylawdude
      @harleylawdude 2 місяці тому

      @@paulaccorsini1228Lesbian tapes were found

  • @deelynn8611
    @deelynn8611 2 місяці тому +4

    Look at the bottom half of his face. He has to be oswalds brother or close relative. Exact match.

  • @FratBoySummer
    @FratBoySummer 2 місяці тому

    Last minute to minute and a half is very telling.

  • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
    @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 2 місяці тому +15

    He has a guilty look in his eyes, doesn't he, body language, those looks and glances. He looks so uncomfortable. Wasn't he CIA or something?

    • @adamredfield
      @adamredfield 2 місяці тому +1

      Michael Paine's father in law worked for a while at the Agency for International Development. That's all.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 2 місяці тому +4

      @adamredfield he seems very uncommunicative about questioned on Cuba though here doesn't he, considering he was so persuasive and adamant Oswald was a lone communist who never communicated with anybody. How convenient.

    • @bookofrevelation4924
      @bookofrevelation4924 2 місяці тому

      ​​@@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      How can any testimony from anyone about a dead person be believed without written or recorded evidence to verify?

    • @adamredfield
      @adamredfield 2 місяці тому

      @@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 He said he wasn't well versed in Cuban communism. One thing I miss about 1963 is people were more self-aware and careful when they spoke in public.

    • @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022
      @HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022 2 місяці тому +3

      @@bookofrevelation4924 he knew him better than most, but let's us all think he was a lost cause and loner, communist. His wife got him a job weeks before the motorcade procession went through, didn't they even change it so it was directly below the TSBD window? Strange 🤔

  • @harleylawdude
    @harleylawdude 29 днів тому +2

    Payne looks like Oswald

  • @jackieow
    @jackieow 2 місяці тому +2

    Michael Paine and his mother were good friends of Allen Dulles. They hosted Dulles many summers at their country home back East. For the JFK assassination, he and Ruth Paine pretended to split up. That was just for show, they got together right after Nov. 1963. When Oswald was on the run and not caught yet, Mike discussed Oswald with his wife Ruth over the phone, referring to Oswald's "guilt" and how Oswald and others wouldn't really know what was going on with Oswald. Michael Paine was at work at Bell Helicopter, depending on the Vietnam War for big contracts, when he heard over the radio Oswald had been captured. He yelled out "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" Oswald was supposed to continue the bus to the Gloco gas station in Oak Cliff where Tippit was waiting to take him to the movie theater. Oswald deviated for the gun from he bus because he thought JFK was going to be scared into invading Cuba, not killed, and he worried about reports of blood on JFK's head.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      That's lie. You have no clue.

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow 2 місяці тому

      @@FrankCoffman You have no clue. You haven't studied up on the JFK assassination very much. If you have any relatives who are veterans of the FBI and CIA, you might want to check with them.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      @@jackieow ~ I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, books, etc. You know nothing about me, so why are you making stupid personal remarks? The Paines didn't host Allen Dulles. That's a lie. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      @@jackieow ~ I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, etc. You know nothing about me, so STFU. The Paines didn't know or host Allen Dulles. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      @@jackieow I've studied the Kennedy assassination in depth, including reading testimony, documents, etc. The Paines didn't know or host Allen Dulles. What's your source? All you know is conspiracy hoaxes.

  • @forbzeOG
    @forbzeOG 2 місяці тому +3

    All part of the agency they only recruit family if your family's in it

  • @mrpeel3239
    @mrpeel3239 2 місяці тому +1

    Sounds like he's reading from a script of talking points! 😮

  • @dustyflair
    @dustyflair 2 місяці тому +2

    So they met at a party but LHO was a loner with no friends? Paine is now questioning this "ma" who then was staying at his home on weekends sleeping on the couch.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      They met at a party of a CIA Contractor. And yet somehow she drove Marina to New Orleans in late April. (This was after A Heidel had bought a Rifle in March and shot at General Walker in early April.) And yet she never knew about the rifle after 9 months. yeah, sure.

    • @kathrynfauble9053
      @kathrynfauble9053 22 дні тому

      @dustyflair There is no evidence Mr. Oswald slept on a couch. Mr. Paine didn’t say he had.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 22 дні тому

      @@kathrynfauble9053 Oswald did spend weekends at the Paine home. I think Ruth might have said he was sleeping on the couch. The official storyline was that both couples were estranged. That clearly was not the case with the Paine's as Michael moved out the day before Marina moved in and he later moved back in the Day after Oswald was arrested. Marina had Soviet Intelligence connections so it is possible that Michael and Ruth were trying to divide them while Oswald was being handled. Ruth had a garage full of secret files with the names of Pro Castro Students that she and Michael had been collecting.

  • @kc4redding
    @kc4redding 2 місяці тому +1

    One of the Mexico Embassy "Oswalds" used to frame & discredit the 'real' LHO.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      KC, Actually, that one was almost 20 years older than Oswald. But curiously he did apply (the fake Oswald) for a Russian Visa in Mexico City using the real Oswald's I.D.

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible 2 місяці тому

    0:28, a statement by one who personally had a conversations with Oswald.

  • @JamesFitzpatrickPoet
    @JamesFitzpatrickPoet 3 дні тому

    When this interviewer is around you know it's a fix.....Mark Lane might have asked different questions

  • @kentjensen4504
    @kentjensen4504 2 місяці тому +1

    Creepy AF

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому +1

      "Creepy AF" Definitely. But then he is married to a master spy.

  • @jmslaforzadeldestino4943
    @jmslaforzadeldestino4943 20 днів тому

    Ruth is still alive - can someone ask her?

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible 2 місяці тому

    5:51, Payne didn't believe that Oswald shot the President.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t 2 місяці тому

      Yep he was convinced until his dying day it was Phyllis Diller. 😂

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      He was recorded by the FBI on the day of the Assassination telling Ruth (From a phone at Bell Helicopter where he worked) that Oswald would be charged with the Assassination. (but that conversation occurred 1 hour BEFORE Oswald was arrested)

  • @James-cz4xv
    @James-cz4xv 2 місяці тому +8

    He also looks like Oswald I wonder if he was on the sixth floor school book depository. Maybe that's why ruth got Oswald the job at the school book depository

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 місяці тому

      I noticed that too!!!!!!! I was thinking:' He kinda looks like Lee!'

    • @douglasdixon524
      @douglasdixon524 2 місяці тому

      I was thinking it would be difficult to differentiate between Oswald and this guy in a tense situation.

    • @KentBrockmanLive-c8t
      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t 2 місяці тому +1

      Absolutely he was on the sixth floor.
      He was also on the balcony with King when he was killed in Memphis. He was a posing as a black sanitation worker then.
      And he was right behind RFK when he was shot in the kitchen of the ambassador Hotel. He was posing as a Hispanic busboy then. 😂

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 місяці тому

      @KentBrockmanLive-c8t The busboy wasn't Hispanic. He was Filipino

    • @jackieow
      @jackieow 2 місяці тому +2

      Michael Paine was at work at Bell Helicopter. When he heard Oswald had been captured, he yelled out, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him." He also was on the phone talking to Ruth about Oswald's role before it was announced he had been captured.

  • @MsBackstager
    @MsBackstager 2 місяці тому

    Hard to follow.

  • @Chris.Brisson
    @Chris.Brisson 2 місяці тому +3

    Michael lived separately from his estranged wife Ruth. Marina lived separately from Lee thanks to Ruth. Lee was struggling. Lee and Marina's second child was born one month prior to JFK's assassination. There was pressure on Lee. Dismissive attitudes towards Lee must have torqued his psyche. If the Oswalds had never met the Paines, imagine what a different world we might be living in now.

    • @TheListOf
      @TheListOf 2 місяці тому +6

      Lee's innocent.

    • @garybrewster5657
      @garybrewster5657 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheListOf
      LHO was guilty beyond all DOUBT. He was also found guilty in a mock trial in England with all living witnesses testifying. Lee was defended by the renowned defense lawyer Gerry Spence. The evidence presented was overwhelming and factual unlike the pure speculation on this thread. Go read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi and it will clear up all the nonsense being spread here

    • @leeoliver424
      @leeoliver424 2 місяці тому

      @@TheListOfoh ya sure he is……😂

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому +1

      Wow. Even the Warren Commission could not have written that better. There was "Pressure on Lee." The 24-year-old who spoke 3 languages fluently was highly trained in the Marines at El Toro and had a higher security clearance than his own commanding Officer at the Japanese Airbase that tracked the U2? He was taught Russian which he spoke so fluently that Marina thought he was Russian when she met him. This was not a loser as Posner and Bugliosi characterized him as. He was quite accomplished. The Paines were not estranged. He moved out the day before Marina moved in and he moved back in the day after Oswald was arrested.

    • @Chris.Brisson
      @Chris.Brisson 22 дні тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Ruth and Michael had separated (and eventually divorced). Ruth cited "tyrannical treatment" as the reason. Michael moved out in September 1962. Marina and her daughter did not move in until April 1963.

  • @claytonbigsby
    @claytonbigsby 2 місяці тому

    Longer face and rounded chin more so than LHO. LHO was not irrational.

  • @halibut1249
    @halibut1249 Місяць тому

    good grief, another oswald look-alike!!

  • @JohnGamerlTHEROYALBAVARIAN
    @JohnGamerlTHEROYALBAVARIAN 2 місяці тому +1

    CIA

  • @FrankCoffman
    @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому +1

    Conspiracy nut bags are in full force here, posting their wacko nonsense.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 2 місяці тому

      @@truthhandler6828 at misinformed gullible dupes

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      Nothing nutbag about 2 bullets making 9 wounds in two different people though, right Frank?

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 23 дні тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc You don't know the evidence. You're counting entry and exit wounds as separate wounds. Also, you don't seem to know that bullets can pass through bodies causing multiple wounds.

    • @FrankCoffman
      @FrankCoffman 23 дні тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc ~ A nutbag is someone who misstates facts and who doesn't know anything except misinformation from conspiracy hoaxers.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 23 дні тому

      @@FrankCoffman Yes of course after hitting JFK at the 3rd vertebrae on a 17-degree downward angle and then exiting 6 inches higher above the necktie and then "tumbling" but still strong enough to slam into Connally's right Armpit and breaking a rib and exiting (tumbling again) and then shattering Connally's wrist tumbling a 3rd time and hitting Connally's left thigh. (while Connally was doing Yoga to line up his left thigh so that it could be the 7th wound.) Too bad that Tomlinson would reject the magic bullet the Warren Commission had recovered saying, "Nope. My bullet was pointed" And what type of rifle fires a pointed bullet? Let me think...Oh Yeah, a Mauser does.

  • @sachasoorma
    @sachasoorma 28 днів тому +1

    maichael paine... the other 'oswald'