15:55 A really odd moment to me. The host brings up that nobody would be at the museum had Ms. Paine not helped in getting Oswald a job at the School Book Depository, almost in an applauding type way. Im not saying Ms. Paine did ANYTHING wrong, but what happened that day was a TRAGEDY, not something great that brought the audience together. The host just doesnt seem to get that. He almost seems cheerful. Idk, struck me as weird, maybe youll think so too.
if we could read her thoughts from Friday morning to Monday evening after the burials of JFK, Oswald and Tippit, about how Marina was kept from her and no longer wanted to be her friend anymore, I think we can get the gist of why Ruth Paine was so dirty on Oswald for taking 'HER' Marina away from her.
For many years the Sixth Floor Museum was dedicated to showcasing the Warren Commission viewpoint. It's only in recent years that they began to present speakers such as Forensic scientists or medical examiners like Dr. Cyril Wecht and others of his experience to provide alternative views supported and substantiated by actual evidence. And that's a good thing to see both sides of the Coin.
Yes, they're all like that. It can only be perceived correctly with the point of view that they're a museum of reflection preserving the incident for analysis while not living in an own lingering state of sorrow. Plus conducting relaxed interviews, keeping it impartial and not offensive while preserving their own relevance. I give them credit for "navigating" the challenges and the clear familiarity of data. I wonder their opinion of conspiracy (because of the irrefuting evidence of Oswald taking shots and the overwhelming testimonies of the fence area; I do wonder about the effects of echo.)
Just like anybody with govt affiliation all they know is to lie. They make their mistakes or "tells" when telling the truth bcuz they aren't used to it
You people are hopeless, absolutely hopeless. You're going to cling to your madness of conspiracy theory because you're incapable of grappling thoughtfully with the topic. You'll never read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History," or Gerald Posner's "Case Closed" or Jean Davison's "Oswald's Game" because your minds have become so polluted with nonsense you couldn't cope with those books.
Yes Ruth did not mention that she was introduced to Marina and Lee by none other than the enigmatic George DeMohrenschildt. Lee Oswald's best and only friend. A man now described by wikipedia as having "intelligence connections."
@@rustyshackelford9156 The host of the party was NOT de Mohrenschildt. He was there but the hosts of the party were Everett Glover and Volkmar Schmidt.
She never implied that Marina taught her Russian. She's been clear that she had studied Russian well before meeting Marina - did an intense summer semester or something to that effect at Middlebury College. Ruth was always looking to improve her Russian and was delighted when she found Marina whose Russian was so excellent.
@@marymagdalene3004How convenient was that? I don’t think it was by accident that she speaks fluent Russian with a man who ends up killing President Kennedy.
The way I took that was that she was teaching Russian, but wanted to get better at it. This was a chance to speak the language with someone where it was her native language. Understandable.
She wanted to PRACTICE her Russian with Marina. If you ever studied a foreign language, conversational language and the "immersion experience" are essential.
All I know is when the reporters in the Dallas PD HQ tell Oswald "You *HAVE* been charged" his face wasn't a look of resignation in being caught. It was pure anger at the set up. R.I.P L.H.O.
why was she laughing and smiling so happy and loose in immediate aftermath of the events in the old Black and white interview clips , but 50 years later she is so emotional she needs a hug from the interviewer?
@@bobbydazzler8684 no I do not, I am simply stating the dissonance between my psych degree education at UCSD and what I am witnessing in this video. @43:13 when the events in question have just transpired, she is smiling laughing , and even states how what has happened in her life regarding housing Oswald and marina “would ultimately not make a change in her life” My point is just that if you have experienced a tragedy , like most of us have, would you be MORE or LESS emotional and despondent 50 years after the tragedy.
@@moprimo2389 Typical comment from someone who thinks they have special insight. You think your education has revealed something from watching a video. You have absolutely no idea what her state of mind is, and as someone who has supposedly got a degree in psychology, you'd know that you never offer any sort of diagnosis or opinion on a person you haven't personally treated.
@@bobbydazzler8684 I would just like to remind everyone.... its not the conspiracy theory, but the OFFICIAL theory, that the murder weapon RIFLE that used to kill JFK was found in to have been stored at Ms Pains home for some time , with no confirmed account of how LEE managed to bring over the Rifle to her house when he rode to her house everytime on Fridays with a coworker and never had anything except for Friday Morning "curtain Rods" package he had when showing up in the morning to meet his coworker in Irving , down the street before heading to work Friday morning. How was Ms. Paine cleared right away ? How do we know she did not conspire with LEE and supply , harbor and handle the rifle , why was her prints never checked? But by 3:00 Nov 22nd they had arrested Lees Coworker driver and tried to use police brutality to get him to sign confession until Midnight. This whole part of the investigation completely relies on circumstantial evidence that is the based COMPLETELY on the character witness of Ms. Paine , she seeks out Soviet Born Russian speakers ? how possibly could she have been cleared from being a Soviet spy agent during the cold war. Then for her to state in this interview that she was happy to hear LEE was shot and died ? Why so the public would never be able to hear 2 sides of the story that would possibly incriminate her at the very least as aiding in an assassination ? No WONDER Marina didn't want anything to do with her afterwards, How can Marina ever be sure that Ms Paine was not involved in setting up Lee or at least partnering in murder with Lee, she justifies Marina cutting off their friendship when she so easily said she it was good that Lee was shot and killed on live TV.
@@moprimo2389 Lol - conspiracy nut alert! What if, what if, what if. Provide a single piece of concrete, tangible and verifiable evidence that Ruth Paine isn't exactly who she says she is and I'll stop to listen. Otherwise, you're just constructing a theory that satisfies your inability to accept what's staring you right in the face.
When something has been planned for more then a half a year every step was well known to the participants, since Dallas Police was on on it. Lee knew back in August they were going to do this to him. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book “ Me and Lee “ He tried to get out of the country after this event but even the prearranged pilot who was to fly him out of the country after the event was taken out in his plane. Nothing going on in anyone’s life was secret. Non of the many killings were coincidental even ts. Read Jim Marr’s book” Crossfire”, or “Mary’s Monkey “. Judith Baker Vance’s “ Me and Lee”. Who is behind all those killings ? Certainly not a lone nut. Lee had a good heart. He did not talk much. Not like Ruth Paine. She is pushing 90 still loves to tell her story that contains only partial truth. Her story is incomplete. Where did money come from to feed extra people and help buy diapers etc. Good Samaritan? LOL !!!
Ruth Paine was married to Michael Paine the stepson of the engineer who started Bell Helicopter- JFK was pulling out of the Vietnam war, Bell was building Hueys as fast as they could to supply the War- there are no coincidences folks.
"In 1959 Michael Paine got a job with Bell Helicopter in Fort Worth, Texas[6] and the Paines moved into a house in the suburb of Irving (Michael Paine's step-father, Arthur M. Young, invented the Bell Helicopter). As liberals in Dallas, the Paines were isolated, and Ruth Paine was quite lonely".[4]
No there are not. Ruth is not who she was planted to be and remained undercover her whole life. How hilarious her husband was pulled out of her life when she was set up with Oswald and then miraculously reappeared in her life for a number of years before a finale split. It’shameful how generations distantvfrom that travesty and horrible pain and grief of loosing Kennedy.
She's a wonderful, smart, and compassionate woman! She has had to put up with idiots accusing her of unspeakable acts yet she stands firm and has never changed her story! She has had to bear the guilt of welcoming the Oswald family into her home only to experience a lifetime of guilt and pain.
She had them as guests because she had a major job to do! She said she didnt have money, yet she was left the equivalent to 2.7 millions dollars in an inheritance. This woman knew so much and the warren commission shut it down!
The FBI wasn't keeping an eye on Oswald he was working for them and the CIA!! He had been working for them for years and anyone who knows what that was like back in those days let's just say if he had defected and gave Russia information he would have been locked up and interrogated!! What's funny about anyone believing this woman is she was involved in the assassination and cover up and her testimony can't be trusted due to the fact of her connections and the lies she has been forced to tell!! Just from listening to her speak and watching her body language there are an awful lot of signs of deception!!
She’s a CIA agent. Too well spoken and the details of her story are too clear for someone her age. As an elderly lady who was just a casual witness she doesn’t even pause to think as if she’s remembering as she goes along her words just spill out.
Ruth’s family members are actually involved with CIA, so was Lee. They all help each other. It was no accident that Marina lived at her house while Ruth tried to learn the Russian language and later Spanish. Ruth never wavered from the mainstream media mind controlled narrative as to who killed our president. Kept up the mind control game by the CIA into her old age. Shows she had a closed mind to real and accurate info by many who produced the real facts as varified in their books. She certainly would have made a great Hollywood actress, where many play a convincing part. Yet it is a play never the less.
Interesting that she said she wanted to learn Russian from Marina - Ruth was already TEACHING Russian at the St. Mark's School by 1963. If you research Ruth Paine you will find that she was no ordinary housewife.
@Std Disclaimer One question. What was the angle, in degrees, from President Kennedy to the 6th floor window when President Kennedy was shot in the back ? Mike Pardue
@Std Disclaimer Rebecca is my wife ok ? 19 to 20 degrees huh ? The FBI agents present during the autopsy, Sibert and O'Neill, wrote down everything that was said. The bullet entered at an angle between 45 and 60 degrees and did not exit. Now, on a personal note, you obviously can't have a discussion without insulting everyone else so, we are done. Have a good day. Mike Pardue ✌
Utter rubbish! What's suspicious about that? She wanted to practice spoken Russian with someone who was a native speaker. This is what happens when you can't think independently of the conspiracy nonsense. Please explain for everyone here why she was "no ordinary housewife".
so what about this: It was Ruth Paine who had arranged to drive Lee Harvey Oswald’s family from New Orleans to the Dallas area. It was Ruth Paine who had timely managed Oswald to get a job in the Texas Book Depository Building which turned out to be situated on the Presidential motorcade route of November 22, 1963. It was Ruth Paine who failed to advise Oswald that a better paying job was available to him than the one to which she had arranged to get for him at the Texas Book Depository Building. It was in Ruth Paine’s garage where the rifle was supposedly stored that allegedly belonged to Oswald and was asserted to have been used by Oswald to kill Kennedy. It was in Ruth Paine’s garage in which other incriminating evidence against Oswald was reported to have been stored. It was the role of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine, both of whom purported to be committed to civil liberties, to join the authorities in designating Oswald as the assassin without his having had been offered even a suggestion of due process before he was conveniently killed while in police custody. hmmmmm what about all that? how's this woman so front' n center in all of this, just seems weird, in so many ways actually....
So what about this: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
All your points are BS. You distorted and omitted key facts: * Oswald was hired at the TSBD before the motorcade was planned. The job was suggested by a neighbor. Ruth couldn't have known the motorcade would go by the the TSBD. * She didn't know Oswald's rifle was in the garage. * Oswald was hired at the TSBD before the other job interview was offered. * Yes, Ruth drove the Oswalds to New Orleans. So what? She helped Oswald and his wife. "No good deed goes unpunished." *Oswald wasn't "conveniently killed," nor was the rifle merely "alleged" to belong to him. He bought it. He owned it. He used it to kill Kennedy. * It's not her fault that Oswald stored an incriminating photo among his belonging in her garage. * You have no clue -- just a malicious attempt to falsely blame her for Oswald's crimes -- typical conspiracist garbage.
@FrankCoffman 🤣 yea nice try, I didn't need to "distort" anything since those are already facts that are in the mix long before I was born, all roads lead to her and her husband for a reason, not my fault you can't accept them now is it
@@BlacKnightRising Ha. You haven't proved anything, except that you can distort facts to make false accusations against a nice lady who had NOTHING to do with the assassination. No, "all roads" don't lead to her. That's a lie. All roads lead to Lee Harvey Oswald who used his rifle to murder President Kennedy. The bullets and shells were conclusively matched to his rifle. He carried a long narrow package to work. He had no alibi. He fled immediately, shot Officer Tippit and he tried to shoot the arresting officer. You didn't mention those facts -- because you want to falsely blame her, instead of blaming him for his evil crime. You're full of bull.
In 2018 I met with Ruth Paine in Santa Rosa, Ca.. She lives in a nice Quaker complex and we met in the lobby for about 90 minutes. I was starstruck! She's a lot taller than I thought, maybe 5'10", it was interesting. She mentioned although divorced from husband Michael for many years, he lives in the same building as her, right down the hall. He has complete Alzheimers and dementia, she takes care of him and said that he has no idea who she is and hasn't for quite sometime. It was interesting to speak to a person that close to the JFK Story.
@@butchie2752 thanks, I googled the author and I had read the book! It was done very well, very readable. Ruth Paine, another footnote in an amazing story which seems to be coming back to life a bit. She was still sharp as a tack in 2018, she told me she thought Oswald had a death wish. Thanks again.
@@ronniebishop2496 George de Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne were both known KGB agents, dum dums So was Oswald's lawyer John Abt and Mark Lane... All known KGB agents ☝️
read Pricilla McMillan's Marina and Lee. Quite a long book, but a page-turnerer for anyone into the assassination. Lee was an unstable, pissed-off loner who beat Marina regularly after they returned to the US from late '62 until Nov 63
Oh, so the first time anyone "found" incriminating evidence that Oswald took a shot at Gen. Walker was when the Secret Service showed up at Paine's door with a note written in Russian that they thought she could identify. When she did not identify it or the handwriting of it the Secret Service took license to consider this as evidence that Oswald tried to assassinate Walker. If Marina had identified it there would have been no reason to show it to Paine. Her refusal to identify it is indicative of the fact that she had never seen it before and that Marina had never told her about a "Walker incident". Could this have been a fabrication? Ruth and Marina passing things via the police......who knows what was inside this book? Who knows what may have been placed there in the process?
@Std Disclaimer So have you ever got a conspiracy theorist on here to answer even one single direct question put to them? All I still ever get in response are accusations of being a CIA plant, or demands in all caps that I shut up, or the occasional simple death threat.
@Std Disclaimer In the past couple of days, I've now asked direct questions and made points clearly demonstrating Oswald's guilt and the hopelessly ludicrous implausibility of a vast conspiracy... and both times I've got in response "those questions are not worth answering!' Full stop. lol
Marina's testimony that Oswald admiting he shot Walker or so he thought. And the bullet found in Walker's house that made a hole in his wall was later indentified as belonging to the Manlicher Carcano rifle that Oswald owned. (If your wife testified against you it's not a good sign). She also confirmed that he left the house the night of the Walker attempt and returned after the attempt and then told her he shot Walker. And she testified that he hated Walker with a passion.
Lee obviously got up and left early on purpose, in order to be able to get the gun out of the garage and bring it to Frazier's. Buell never really scrutinized the package, a quick glance and when they got to work, he didn't see it much either, as he was reving his engine while Lee walked away. It was the gun, as Lee held the stock under his arm pit, with his hand grabbing the barrel. Whose holds curtain rods under an arm pit? Buell said it was 24-26 inches because he saw him at a distance and figured he was also holding the package from underneath with his right hand, as opposed to grabbing the side of it, that's how he came up with these measurements. He even admits he didn't pay much attention as he was looking at the trains that he enjoyed. It's too bad because it gave rise to needless speculation and conspiracy theories.
And...on a Thursday he hitches a ride to Irving with Buell - something he never did before and it was not his house and he knew that Ruth Paine did not want him there except on Sat. and Sunday just to visit his wife and kids. Very much out of place that. Then, he's so wound up he gets up early and walks to Buell's house which he never did before. Then, he carries this longish thing just like you would carry a rifle or shotgun. I mean, what was the hurry about getting the "curtain rods" from Paine's house? Like it couldn't wait until the next day to just go out to Irving as usual? When folks do things like this that are so out of the norm and so disjointed, it kind of sounds a loud alarm. And...Marina went to show them where he kept the rifle and IT WAS NOT THERE!!! No question that he did it. I think Paine said it best when she said that she surmised that Lee wanted to be a SOMEBODY and took advantage of a unique set of circumstances to bring him the mother load of notoriety! Or...even if other actors where involved in the shooting, to me, Lee was definitely one of them.
@@marymagdalene3004 I've yet to hear one conspiracy theorist explain how a conspiracy knew where the rifle was, how they knew Oswald would show up at the house Nov 21, how it could have known Oswald would suddenly possess that "curtain rods" package, how they made the rods disappear, how they knew he wouldn't just stand out on the sidewalk to watch the parade, etc.
Incredible set of circumstances that a simple gathering of some women leads to Oswald getting a job at the Texas School Book Depository right at the end of the motorcade on the way to the the Trade Mart. Oswald had also applied to two other places for employment in early October 1963 and did not get selected. How history would have been so different to this very day had Linnie Mae Frazier-Randall, Ruth Paine and Roy Truly not been involved in such a trivial matter like finding work for Oswald On a completely different note Steve you say the one living person you wanted to interview was Ruth Paine that's no quite accurate. The one person still alive who needs to be interviewed, before it's too late, is Marina Oswald. I believe she is 78 or 79 now and lives in Dallas so you need to get her in your oral history before it's too late. I know she is feisty but perhaps you can persuade her to an interview before it's too late. Also try to get June & Audrey (Rachel) Porter (Oswald's two daughters) and perhaps Robert Oswald (not sure if he is still alive?). Will be down to visit the museum as soon as you're allowed to reopen (P.S. I was 13 at the time and studied it relentlessly for the past 56+ years. Thanks for all you do)
Go watch the 2 Oswald's it will blow your mind,this lady is lying and doing it like she was trained to lie because records show different,go watch it and come to your own conclusion because it puts alot of thing's in place like a puzzle about LHO.
Marina is a KGB agent who has been operating under cover for 60 years now... Just like her husband Lee and his best friend George, except that they died during their mission or covering it up afterwards 🇺🇸
The most intriguing part of this starts at about 37:40 with Ruth and Michael Paine on the day of the assassination...I never saw that part of the clip before. I fortunately got Ruth Paine to answer a letter (about 6 months after I sent it) to an address I had for her in California. She wrote back such a nice letter and signed it "Ruth Hyde Paine". I will always treasure it.
Micheal Paine had a security clearance required for his job at Bell , his name was on the deed of the house, how was it that he was just timely enough to not be living withthe soviet defector guests in his house just before and after the assignation. Im sure that would have been a breech of his contract being so closely tied to soviets
@@moprimo2389 SO??? Here we are almost 58 YEARS after this event and conspiracy theorist are still just throwing out just loose words and ideas with their "anything goes" approach and never able to play out what they are saying. Funny that for the first (non-police or Fed) interviews Ruth and Michael Paine gave on TV the very day Oswald was killed (November 24) conspiracy theorist would think they would bury and cement Oswald as "an unstable, crazy, time-bomb, Kennedy hating, gun obsessed, super-Communist motivated nut" and instead, in separate interviews they practically said the OPPOSITE.
@@pajasa62 he was the VERY first United States Marine to defect to the USSR... Does that meet your definition for a crazy super-communist? It does for me!
@@pajasa62 For sure, and just how vast and sprawling do they think this phantom conspiracy was, anyway? All it took was two reporters and a couple of witnesses to explode Watergate and bring down the government....
@@aaronz7056 There was NO conspiracy. The only person involved and knew shots would be fired at the motorcade was Lee Harvey Oswald! I don't find any proof anyone but Oswald himself was involved. I was 16 when the assassination occured and have been studying it off and on ever since. In 1964 I was impressed with Mark Lane's Rush To Judgement which attempted to throw water on Oswald's involvement. But by the 40th anniversary in 2003 it became crystal clear to me no one but Oswald was involved. The facts that one can absolutely nail down is just three shots all from the 6th floor window and from an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. Since Mr. Truly was a bit skeptical about hiring Oswald, but did, and Oswald worked there and the rifle found absolutely belonged to Oswald and it's easy to prove the three shots came from that building and all the ballistic tests PROVE all fragments, spent shell casings and CE399 the magic bullet were fired by Oswald's rifle, it is just natural to assume the person who fired those shots killing Kennedy and wounding Connelly WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD! Occam's razor really does cut to the chase!
Yeah Ruth Paine, got Oswald his job at the TSBD she went so far as to ring Roy Truly at that business, and later stood at the front door of her IRVING HOME when DPD and Dallas County Sheriff Deputies and told them, "I've been expecting you!" according to cops who she opened the door for. And the cops found filing cabinets belonging to her and her husband with documents relating to Central & South American countries, and a second MINOX spy camera. Ruth testified she was shocked when police came to her door, but more than one cop who came to her door said she was welcoming, invited them into search her home and said that she had been expecting them. Almost like, "Why did it take you so long to get here?" Not so clean-skinned our lovely Quaker lady, Mrs. Ruth Paine!!!!
No... and why would she want to learn Russian of all languages... don't buy the youth exchange thing _helped along by the state department._ Perhaps she needed Russian for her job? ... I wonder which organisation would need a Russian speaker. 🤔
Ruth already knew that Lee and Marina Oswald were illegal undercover KGB agents... She was trying to figure out their mission, but by then it was too late ☝️
@@jimmycricket5366 you need to read less conspiracy books and more facts. She was already learning Russian well before Oswald’s came on the scene and in order to practise speaking she stayed friends with them
She supposedly befriended Marina to help her learn Russian when she already knew how to speak it. Incriminating evidence kept being 'found' in her garage after it had already been searched. She admitted she didn't like LHO. She was annoyed that Lee called her and asked her if she would help find him lawyer. She thought he should have one but she was surprised that he would ask something of her at that point. She was bothered that he used her typewriter without asking. She was in her garage the night of Nov. 21 painting but yet she didn't know about 'the' rifle being in the garage? And she assisted Lee in getting the job at the TSBD. A lot of curious connections.
Autshot20 You’re another conspiracy nut. She wanted to be more fluent in Russian. She spoke some but what better way to really learn a language than to be around someone who spoke it as their first language. Geez
*sigh* Alright let's take these one by one. Paine states in this interview her Russian wasn't very good and she wanted to get better. Immersing yourself in a language is the best way to learn it and being around a native speaker is a form of immersion. What incriminating evidence found in her garage are you referring to? The rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. It didn't have a note on it saying "This is a rifle. DO NOT TOUCH!" EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE found at the Paines was corroborated by Marina, from the rifle to the backyard photos to the Edwin Walker notes, so unless you think Marina was involved in the conspiracy your accusation is meaningless. She didn't like Oswald because she felt he was not a good husband. No grand mystery there. As for her being surprised he would ask something from her after killing the President of the United States I would think that would be a pretty normal reaction but your mileage may vary. She wasn't bothered he used the typewriter, she was bothered that he typed up a letter to the Soviet Embassy telling them the FBI wasn't interested in him when she knew damn well that they were. Again, the rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. To anyone simply scanning the contents of the garage it would look like a normal, folded blanket. Finally, she assisted Lee in getting that job because Marina asked her to. If you want to invest that event with some sort of nefarious meaning then you have to believe that Buell Frasier's sister was also part of the plot since she's the one who told Ruth about the School Book Depository.
@@markstanley6876 Typical response, someone questions the circumstances involved in the situation and you label them a nut. Typical. She became interested in speaking Russian in 1959. She even taught Russian. And she just happens to befriend the wife of the person who would eventually be charged with assassinating the President of the United States? Of all the ways she could have developed her fluency in the Russian language, that is the option she chose? Coincidence? And what about all of the evidence that appeared to keep showing up in her small, one car garage? She stated she didn't like him very much. Is that an objective witness to what the setting was at her home?
@@scottcarroll9201 She wanted to improve her Russian, so she befriended Marina. That was her only means of developing her fluency? The incriminating evidence? The pictures of him holding the weapons. The communists material the DPD. The notes on Walker. It seems reasonable that if she was in that small garage she would have noticed a blanket that appeared to be wrapped around something. Didn't have to be label, RIFLE< LOOK IN HERE. She stated she never noticed the blanket. She never noticed the paper that Oswald supposedly used to wrap the rifle in. You are right, she didn't like him, it doesn't matter why. Some of these items were found after the garage had been searched. Pieces of evidence seemed to keep showing up after the garage had already been searched. To use her as an objective witness to the circumstances involving Oswald is perhaps not the best way to reach a conclusion about what type of man he was. She said he had NEVER come out to the house on a Thursday prior to Nov. 21. That implies him showing up on Thursday 11/21 was completely out of the routine. That is not true. There is a record of him cashing a check at an Irving liquor store on Thursday, Oct. 31. And she was bothered he had used her typewriter. She was bothered he had type the letter and that he had used her typewriter to do it. And Marina has changed her story on several pieces of the evidence over the years.
@@Autshot20 -Lone Nutters never look below the surface. Oswald was an actor he was playing a role as a Communist. LBJ was playing a role in the aftermath, as was was Dulles on The Warren Commission. Ruby was playing a role as an Avenger of The President's death, when in reality his life depended on killing Oswald who he stalked the whole weekend.Marina, and Ruby, both said there was a conspiracy,but they ignore that too.
@@aaronsmith5433 Funny she has CIA ties and after the assassination the police came to her house to search and she asked for the warrant cops said they didn't have one and she still let them in to search,why ask them then,also if Oswald fired 7 shots then why did he test negative on a pariphine test on his face,neck,arms and hands,Oswald's pariphine test can be seen by anyone it's public record now.
@@figgybass You just can't reason with conspiracy buffs. They are wedded to the idea of conspiracy. They like every conspiracy they hear and read about.
Why her fascination with Russia? That is not explained in this interview at all. She comes off disingenuous at many points in this interview. Things are not adding up with her.
She seems believable to me, but I agree there are lots of areas that seem incredibly coincidental. She spoke at two foreign languages while living a seemingly mundane existence in Dallas TX and just happened to be housing the person accused of assassinating the president. She seems to despise Oswald and was very acquiescent with the CIA, but was she implying she was a communist sympathizer? I really don't now what to make of her. The interview was awful; he just read his list of questions, that she didn't seem surprised by and didn't follow any threads that came up in the process. Odd.
I am a U.S. citizen who has a deep fascination and love of England and British history, traditions, customs, etc. People get fascinated with other countries for various reasons. Your comment in saying that she comes off as disingenuous is just ridiculous.
Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator, secret agent, and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
because that's her opinion, that makes her CIA? Well then 35% of the country is CIA then. I know you were trolling a bit by yoiur comment, but that's stupid. About 99% of conspiracy buffs have never read the WR, and you haven't either. I didn't - and I believed conspiracy fully for 30 years, but I stayed in my little conspiacy bubble, never reading one counter opinion or official source. Go and read it. NOTE:....!!!!!!! The HSCA took a long long time to investigate and looked into all the deficiancies of the WC investigations...they have panels of experts with modern techniques (I can pfovide some details if you want), and the confirmed ALL the conclusions of the WR (except one, which was the bogus dicta-belt recordings which caused them to add that last bit about a second shooter. They were about to conclude Oswald did it alone until the 11th hour when the accoustic evidence got introduced). So the very acurate, sober, expert HSCA investigation agreed with the WR on everything and every conclusion (though they recommended improvements that could have been made). Kind of shoots down most conspiracy buffs views on the WR
have you read it...??? no of course not. No conspiracy junkie has. I didn't for the entire 30 years I believed a conspiracy. I have now. Just do it, you won't break...
there were 5 investigations in total incl Clark and Rockafeller. You have to do pretzel logic here as a conspiracy buff.... The HSCA confirmed all the conclusions of the Warren report in their final draft report of Dec 23 1978 just before the end of the investigation. Then the faulty acoustic material was accepted a few weeks before closing the investigation. That changed the final report to conclude a 'probable' conspiracy from a 4th shot. But that conclusion was erroneous because the acoustic material was debunked by the National Academy of Sciences a few years later. So as a conspiracy buff (and I've heard this asserted by some of them) that the entire HSCA was also a cover-up. Well, how convenient (as the Church lady would say). Anytime there's evidence that refutes your theory, you just chalk it up to a nameless conspiracy power with no direct evidence. The hundreds and hundreds of people on the whole HSCA are also in on it. Watergate had 10 people involved and started to unravel in the first moths. Not a chance boys and girls
In a supposed lone nut case that altered the trajectory of History how is everyone so interconnected in Dallas on that day 1963? even by one or two degrees and many of the behaviors seem uncommon or unusual for the lay person back then; everyone's a specialist how do crime scenes get automatically cleaned and turned into museums?
Jim Garrison later went on to become a judge. he penned a book. his research has pointed towards some truth: if you were only putting Oswald's wife up that ought to be dismissed eventually. for 1963 Oswald seem to move around an awful lot: he's in Russia was he in japan? now he's in Dallas
Interesting interview. As an institution dedicated in part to educational activities, I think the Sixth Floor Museum should avoid presenting a one sided view of the JFK assassination. They should also make an exhibit available under the title The Controversial and the Conspiratorial Views on the JFK Assassination, where people could be exposed to alternative perspectives and evidence as well, and reach their own conclusions. Keep in mind that at any given time at least 60% of the public (be it Democrat, Republican or otherwise) believes that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone.
Only because the conspiracy theory makes it more interesting and their are like a trillion of them just take your pick what you want to believe there has been millions made off of them. But the facts don't support any of them other then LHO. But thats just to damm boring.
Not only did he not act alone and he knew this prior to the event when he stated any bullet from him would be one less bullet the president would receive. That statement shows number one why he was ordered back to Dallas by his handlers and number two he knew the planners of such events always use more then one lone nut sharp shooter. Number three he knew way back in July what was being planned by those he was working for and working with regarding Kennedy getting snuffed, which left him no choice. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book :” Me and Lee!” Ruth Pain knew not enough details about Lee’s real hopes and plans he had for himself and Judith Baker Vance after Marina turning him down for a reconciliation the evening before the president’s assassination. The president clearly received shots from behind as well as from the front/ grassy knoll and not from way above, which would have been a weird angle for any of the injuries at the throat, in the back and right side of the head, and separate shots to Connell. 5 shots, possibly 5. No way did Lee do this. Those he worked for planned this assassination very clearly as LBJ’s mistress revealed in one of her 1990 interviews. They had Lee over the barrel since he traveled the world on their financial support. He was a low guy in that higharchie and low pay for sure but it left him with no choice but to obey and follow orders. At least he appeared to sort out his life until he could get out from under those who controlled him. Mrs Paine made up her mind being under the mainstream media mind control system. No wonder Marina backed off from a continued friendship. Ruth is still opinionated and partially mind controlled. Too bad. Lee tried to get out from under the control he had been under but at the same time appear to be obedient to his controllers. It is better to gather all the facts first before making this judgmental statement :” I was glad that Lee was killed by Ruby ?” Wow ! What an awefull remark by anyone !!!
@@karinhopkins6158 BINGO! As far as the trajectory of the shots....Charles Nicolette was most likely firing from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex Building....I went to exact spot James Tague was standing, a direct line from his feet to the president leads DIRECTLY to the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tax Building..... According to the Warren Commission the James Tague bullet was one of 3 fired by Oswald, this would have mean that his 2nd and 3rd shots hit the president yet the first one passed over the car the top of the car by AT LEAST 20 feet!!! The only wound that is consistent with bullet coming from the 6th floor is the one at the back of the armpit on John Connally, exit at the right nipple. "Absolutely not. I do not for one second believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." John Connally
@@JohnSmith-ms8njExactly ! And Oswald gets a phone message, as he's being considered for a much better-paying job, elsewhere. This evil woman made sure he didn't get the message. They wanted Oswald to STAY at that book depository.
@@marvinbone1379 he never got an offer for another better paying job!!! Are you nuts? Where's the citation for that claim? Oswald got fired from 3 jobs in the 10 months prior to being hired at TSBD. Truly hired him from the Frasier's suggestion. I guess they are all implicated too. I guess half the population of Dallas were CIA
@Std Disclaimer Lee Harvey Oswald had already attempted to assassinate a US Army General and had been interviewed by the FBI as such many Months prior to JFK.
@@doolittlegeorge No. Somebody shot into an empty room at Walker's house and the bullet went through the wall into another room where Walker was. Two men were seen leaving in different cars. I think the gun/bullet was not the same as Oswald's guns. Marina was an incredible liar and not a reliable witness.
Imagine the situation at the time. Dead middle of the Cold War. The Cuban missile crisis was barely 1 year before..and you allow a known defector/traitor and his Russian wife to move into your home. Never occurs to you that big trouble could ensue. I’ve always wondered about that. She must have wanted to learn Russian REALLY BAD!!
@@jimmycricket5366 Exactly Bell Helicopter had great motive to have Kennedy eliminated. Kennedy was going to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (NSAM 263).
What a sick country the USA is and glad I live in Europe. Oswald was in the lunch room at the time buying a 5 cent coke and has 3 witnesses to prove it
Nonsense, there are no witnesses to Oswald being inside when the shots were fired. And there were no TSBD employees outside who saw Oswald. Oswald left the scene, never asked anyone what had happened, never asked his landlady how the president was when he got home....an astonishing fact. He then shot a cop and attempted to shoot other DPD in the Theatre....he owned both murder weapons......and there are 50 + more points of guilt. I think you need to read up on the case. Fred Litwin Peter Knight Mel Ayton John McAdams Blog of David von Pein Would be good places to start...
@@patrickcollins7407 Three people came forward. All three started he was in the lunch room at the time. You seem to have an agenda. Let is hope you are also not mentally ill too, as many people have tried on the single bullet theory
@@teenherofilms No they did not. Carolyne Arnold said she saw Oswald around 12:25.....she was wrong, his co workers said he was downstairs anytime between approx 1145 and 1215. You are ill informed. I dip in and out of here for research purposes for a book on the case - mainly ref the amount of ignorance there is on the subject from CTers like you! I have no agenda other than research. I interviewed Harold Norman and Jnr Jarmen in 1983.....they left Oswald on the 6th floor around 12:05 they thought. They did not see him in the lunch room. Oswald lied that he saw those guys in the lunch room, they were outside then went back up to the 5th floor where B. R Williams joined them. Your sources are obviously poor. Just read some decent material: Peter Knight Mel Ayton Fred Litwin John McAdams Jean Davison The above are excellent......if you just use the web.....you are just going to be duped. SBT - you mean the SB Fact. Give me an alternative - post it here.... Explain ovoid entry to JC and the lack of bullet wipe....? Google Chad Zimmerman JFK bullet wounds. He is THE authority on the SBT along with Dale Myers and Larry Sturdivan, people no doubt you have never heard of....(?)....
@@teenherofilms Their is no single bullet because the a Governor said he heard a shot, well if that is the magic bullet he should have been hit already because when you watch the Zappruder film the President is grabbing his throat after coming from behind the street sign and a bullet travels at least 2000 feet per second and the Governor said that he turned after hearing the shot and saw nothing then when he turned back to face the front is when he was hit, you can see it for your self on the Zappruder film. That took about an extra second and a half, so those were two different shots from 2 different guns because Oswald could not have reloaded and aimed and shot in a second and a half. So now we have at least 2 shooters and more than likely 3 or 4, because Oswald's best shot was before Elm Street. That is probably why the Zappruder film was not shown to the public until 1975. If you want a good web just log into ( JFK Murder solved. Com). And let me know how you did.
@@gargould7186 Two shooters? Show me some ballistic evidence. Oswald's best shot is before Elm? Sure let's hang out the window and expose our position to the world. You obviously have zero experience with fire arms. For Oswald to acquire a target at that angle is virtually impossible give the short block of the turn on Huston Street... And *Zapruder* is spelled with only one *g.*
Kieran I know. It’s funny how you can never get a conspiracy theorist to elaborate beyond the simple point they blather out in conversation. It’s like they don’t want to even discuss the crazy claims they make!
Watch from 15:25 for about a minute - seems like he somehow caught her off guard - almost as if she wanted the conversation to go a different way ?..... She seems flustered and "off-script" - perhaps she is lying ? He asked her about arrangements for Oswald visiting "with the family" - she seems confused about this but definitely wants to talk about how he got the job at the TSBD - she helped plant him there, so the patsy could complete his sheep-dipping. And at 16:15 we're back in the room and back to the "official" story.....
I found it macabre when Payne said " I'm glad he got killed", as if that's enough or justice: when it's well known he may have been part of a gallery of gunmen. What about his account of what happened in court or having a defence lawyer? Very judgemental.
It's never dull, reading the comment threads on anything related to JFK's death. So many experts analyzing Ms. Paine's eye movements, facial tics, etc., etc.... All this collective genius and nothing to show for it. Must be frustrating to chase your tails for fifty years and catch nothing.
It is the conspiracy nonsense that ends up debunked that gets conspirators off the hook. Whether in a court of law or in the court of public opinion, the introduction of fabricated evidence will lose your case... As for me, I don't see myself as a conspiracy theorist, but as a conspiracy analyst, and I do see evidence of a broader conspiracy beyond the abilities of Oswald... It only takes the involvement of two or more people to make something a conspiracy. It's not like literally everybody has to be in on it.
@@jade59230 And I don't see a stitch of evidence that anyone else was "in on it." These conspirators were so inept that their conspiracy was 'known' from the beginning, yet in fifty-plus years not one ounce of definitive proof as to identity, means, etc..? So they're so clumsy they couldn't disguise the conspiracy, yet so clever they managed to avoid detection? Good grief... Add to that their choice of stooge, a depressed douche bag who couldn't launch the escape without killing a cop; good choice, by geniuses so good at choice-making that, again, their jig was up almost the moment it happened, yet here they still are, free from justice half a century later. (And let me guess.. they were all MURDERED by the deep state!! To keep them all quiet...!!!!) Every conspiracy theory is so ludicrous and half-baked that it requires a real desire to live in paranoia. Instead, try not allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Was the investigation perfect? No, but few are. Prosecutors and investigators, whether at the local or the federal level, are human, and they rush things, make mistakes, miss things, have gaps in their analysis, whatever. (Unlike conspiracy peddlers, who are so far from good that their 'analysis' long ago stopped being worth the price of the books they publish.) I give the conspiracy angle--whatever it was and however it possible could have been pulled off--a 1% chance of being legitimate. Show me irrefutable evidence of other men, in exact places, doing exact things, at exact times, with no room for variation or interpretation, and then we can talk. I'm sure you're a sincere person, but almost six decades of this nonsense is well more than enough.
@@wolfwilliams The Warren Commission Report concluded that Oswald was the lone gunman or actor. Would you agree then that Oswald was extremely lucky as a lunatic? Did he win the lunatic lottery?.. My problem with the lone gunman theory is that the target was brought to Oswald. It really does look like Kennedy was delivered straight to his assassin on purpose... Oswald was in a fixed position for 30 days before he could have known what the exact motorcade route would be, and yet he was in the perfect position far in advance. Then Kennedy was brought right to him... Only a few people in Washington could have known what the exact motorcade route would be a month in advance... If the Kennedy assassination was not an inside job, then what happened is an evil miracle... Can you think of a similar event that took place?.. Off the top of my head, I am thinking about how Robert Kennedy and Sirhan Sirhan ended up in the same place at the same time with a deadly result... Maybe most assassinations look like a conspiracy when it was just an crime of opportunity. Someone who is very troubled or offended is in the perfect position by fate alone, they see that, and they act out on their own. Inspired by the opportunity they have... Then when people look around, and see how the victim's enemies benefited, they suspect a conspiracy... I can look at this multiple ways, and understand where other people are coming from.
@@jade59230 In a random universe, there is no need for a mathematical explanation of every event. A few weeks ago a woman was walking in Manhattan and a piece of a building fell off and crushed her. It just so happens that she was a prominent Manhattan real estate broker. What are the odds that a prominent Manhattan real estate broker would be walking past the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time to be killed by a falling piece of Manhattan real estate, a manner of death that occurs so rarely as to be akin to a lightning strike? Answer: Who gives a shit what the odds are? Math has its uses, but one of them is not to help explain the inexplicable coincidences that occur all over the world every day. Not every oddity has to be explained to the satisfaction of every incredulous bystander. Shit. Happens. The JFK motor route was published a few days prior to Nov. 22, and maybe LHO saw it and seized his moment. Does it require more complexity than that? If you're a naturally suspicious type, then maybe it does. The Zodiac killer got away with killing Paul Stein because some SFPD dispatcher made a mistake and said the killer was black, and two SFPD officers drove by a white guy leaving the crime scene and never questioned him. Zodiac laughed at the cops in one of his later letters, saying they spoke to him and let him go. Do we need math to explain why this one time a dispatcher got a description wrong, or a conspiracy theory that tries to explain an SFPD murder cover-up? Or did something unfortunate just happen to happen at exactly the most inopportune time?
@@wolfwilliams Did that piece of building receive any advance press involving foreign intrigue? Did the death of the real estate broker result in any domestic or foreign policy changes?.. Maybe I've seen too many episodes of Columbo... I want to see a couple made for UA-cam movies. One titled: Columbo Investigates the Kennedy Assassination, and the other titled, Columbo Investigates 9/11... What would you consider smoking gun evidence? What would you consider too much to be believed? What would make you incredulous about the establishment narrative about any story? What is your pass or fail test when you watch the news?.. I draw the line at plausibility. Anything may be possible, but not just anything is probable... Could O.J. Simpson be innocent? Possibly, but it's not plausible... In a court of law, jurors are supposed to decide what is probable, not merely possible. I think that's reasonable, as in reasonable doubt or reasonable suspicion... Was the O.J. jury verdict split along racial lines? Is the JFK verdict split along political lines?.. That's how it looks to me... I think we can both agree about this much. Neither one of us likes conspiracy nonsense. Like the debunked magic bullet myth, and multiple shooters. We both agree that in all likelihood, Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy... Even when I was in my teens I saw major consciousness of guilt on the part of Oswald. He was the only one who fled the scene of the crime, and he was so desperate to get away, that he murdered a police officer, then tried to hide in a movie theater. In the police station? he was very sheepish or passive for a man who was under suspicion for murdering an American president... If you or I were falsely accused of such a thing, we would be enraged and beating up the police, not the other way around. Innocent suspects act one way, they're very offended and angry, while guilty suspects keep their cool. Innocent people don't try to get away, while guilty people usually do... I've never been on the Oswald as innocent patsy bandwagon... HE DID IT. My only question is whether or not he acted alone? I still don't believe that it's plausible that he acted alone, or that he was just extremely lucky. Or that Kennedy's enemies were extremely lucky. That Oswald was not associated with any Kennedy hating Republicans or Kennedy hating Democrats. That was extremely convenient for Kennedy's enemies. Oswald being the killer was and is just too perfect.
Oswald didn't care for the job the Soviets gave him, it was boring and repetitive. He also said there was nothing to do in Russia, not even a bowling alley or any other kind of recreational things to do.
She was "glad" Oswald was shot? One takes this to mean that within only two days after the assassination that she KNEW he was guilty. While not one to suspect her honesty, I think there seems to be reasonable grounds to question the quality of her judgment; at the same time raising the question of whether or not she was coached and manipulated by others. After all, what would have been wrong for her to say she simply did not know what actually happened; instead of, as turned out to be the case, of jumping on the WC band wagon? That is, how could she say she really knew Oswald was guilty? Based on her own experience with him or the WC?
She and her husband talked after the murder of JFK and Michael said we know who is really responsible for this. How did that get swept under the rug? I bet she was extremely pleased once Oswald was dead and no further inquiry would be made about possible accomplices... like the person who got Oswald the job... oh yeah, she did that.
She knew he was guilty the day of the assassination when the police showed up and asked if he owned a rifle. She said no, but Marina corrected her and said there was a rifle in the garage. When they went out to the garage and picked up the blanket the rifle was stored in, it went limp in their arms. That's when she knew he was guilty. She already knew from television news reports that the president was shot from the building where Oswald worked.
That was odd. I expected her to walk that back but she didn't. Ruth is glad Lee is shot dead while in the arms of the Dallas police? Before he had a trial? With many questions left unanswered? Her hatred of LHO must greater than she is letting on.
The "singer" she referred to as introducing Oswald to her was George de Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt was an accomplished man. Did not know he was a singer, too.
You mean the same de Mohrenschildt who wrote CIA director Bush a letter asking for his help, during the beginning stages of the HSCA? The same de Mohrenschildt who died under highly suspicious circumstances the day HSCA investigator G. Fonzi came to interview him? Yes, I’ve heard wonderful things about his singing, hasn’t everyone?
You should have had her describe her political views in the interview to put her statements in context. She was a pro-Soviet Communist. Context matters. "So many things just happened" is what liars say. These things didn't just happen. People made them happen. It's not credible that she had no idea Oswald intended to assassinate Kennedy. He had to have made anti-Kennedy statements. She had to have known he had a long-range rifle, purchased March 12, 1963. While Marina was hanging diapers to dry in the backyard one Sunday between March 12, 1963, and April 24, 1963, Oswald had Marina take his picture with the rifle he used. Politically active Paine described the trivia of his life, not his relevant statements and political views. It's telling that Paine dumped Marina when she was done with her. Her rationale is not credible; that would be a bonding experience for a friend. I recommend viewers do more fulsome research.
@TermsofService JFKs body is the evidence. The doctors at Parkland said the bullet came from the front! Its physics pure & simple. Ruby walks right into guarded police headquarters WITH A GUN, to get close enough to murder the one suspect? JFKs brain goes missing, all Secret service notes disappeared..finally people saw gun smoke from the grassy knoll which is why they all ran there first! Believe your eyes.
@TermsofService ..the doctor in the room said he looked directly at the head wound which told them the back of his brain was falling out which, PHYSICS tell us, that he was hit from the front! Also, the Dallas autopsy guy was one of the best in the country, yet Secret Service was absolutely not! Open your eyes! It's not rocket science at all, but it is certainly a CONSPIRACY!
@TermsofService There IS EVIDENCE, you just choose to ignore the power, the motive and the money. JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA, end the war, deport the mafia! Do you actually think the most powerful men in the world would roll over & allow that? No! LJB would've never been potus if JFK wasn't assassinated. The money flow from the Vietnam war and the money flowing to the mafia...is much too substantial to let JFK end it all. The military industrial complex, LBJ, mafia are the only ones to get JFK to Dallas, get him in an open car, have all the cops & secret service stand down that day...& then kill the only suspect to destroy evidence of the truth. Read!
@TermsofService ...if there were on assassin, why in the world all the secrets behind this murder? They've kept the docs sealed for 50 years! Why? because powerful people were involved...count the number of bodies of folks who gave a slither of truth, they were all killed! Today, men are still afraid to really say names! Again, if just a murder why on earth conceal hide or destroy everything? Makes zero sense! Wake up!
@YouthfulSage I still appreciate their making this interviews available. I take no position on what really happened, and I read between the lines where I think reading between the lines is warranted. I tend to see Ruth Paine as someone who was sympathetic to Mrs. Oswald because she saw Oswald as a poor husband. That's going to make her see him in the worst light. I know hers is a slanted view, but I have a more well-rounded view of the situation from having listened to what she had to say.
If the F.B.I. was closely watching Lee Oswald. Was it just a coincidence that President Kennedy drove by the Texas School Book Depository where Lee Oswald worked?
The FBI lost track of him when he fled New Orleans almost literally in the middle of the night. How wwere they supposed to track him, with futuristic tracking devices that weren't invented then? They only finally found him days before the assassination. They had no reason to frantically chase him as an iminent threat compared to any other person. That's post-hoc, hindsight bias. Kennedy, O'Donnell and his advisors chose the route. I guess his closest friends and advisors all wanted him killed hey?
Yeah, a great honor talking to one of a family full of CIA employees. A woman who presented evidence against L. H. Oswald, lots of it, funny thing is it came after her house had been searched twice by the police. Yeah, that happens a lot right? Ask her about the possibility that she and her husband posed as the Oswald's shortly before the assassination. She spoke Russian, her husband looked very much like Oswald, and the couple had been seen while Oswald was known to be working. She helped get Oswald the job in the tsbd. That was quite a lucky place for someone to find a job where he could shoot the president from. Ask her about her sister working for CIA. Her father too. Her husband was heard saying to her that they knew who really killed Kennedy. Michael worked for Belll helicopter, a huge beneficiary of the war contracts. I'd argue with my wife if she spent her time living with a person who so obviously was striving to drive a wedge between him and his wife. Ask her if her relationship with Marina was ever physical. You know, as lovers. For not really knowing Marina, she went way beyond what even a close friend would have done. Like driving her back to Dallas from New Orleans? Who would do that? She spent the time, the gas money as well as providing rent free lodging in her home. Intelligence asset is written all over this woman.
She does seem like a good soul and following her Quaker sensibility of offering to help those in need. The only thing that makes me a little questioning is her story about involvement in Nicaraguan affairs back then. Kind of puts up a red flag if you will.
Unbelievable statement on your part to make such an assumption, this lady was over 70 when she did this interview and through the years she's been constant about everything. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups!!
She was a CIA plant she also would send love letters to Oswald's wife Marina. Her father was in the CIA and had 2 other family members in the CIA. She tried coaxing Marina to give her information with acting like she was in love with her because Marina was a kgb agent. I say your gut is right
George de Mohrenschildte got Oswald the job at the Texas Book Depository. The friend that introduced her was actually George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA asset. Her husband, Michael Paine, found employment as a research engineer with the Bell Helicopter Company, whereas Ruth was employed as a part-time teacher of the Russian language at St. Marks School in Dallas. In 1963 Michael Paine left the family home. According to the author Jim Bishop (The Day Kennedy Was Shot), it was a "friendly estrangement". Ruth continued to live in Irving and at a party in February, 1963 she was introduced to Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald by George De Mohrenschildt. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Ruth Paine. Lee Harvey Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas School Book Depository. Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism." Ruth Paine was a key witnesses for the Warren Commission and provided detailed information on the activities of Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswaldbefore the assassination. Jim Garrison later suggested that Ruth Paine might have been involved in setting Oswald up as the "patsy". Garrison points out that Paine's father " had been employed by the Agency for International Development, regarded by many as a source of cover for the C.I.A. Her brother-in-law was employed by the same agency in the Washington, D.C. area." He also claims that he had tried to "examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret.... What was so special about this particular family that made the federal government so protective of it?" Mr. Ted Schurman, advised me that Michael Paine was employed by Bell Helicopter as a research engineer and he held a security clearance. Bell Helicopter had a vested interest in the ongoing war in Vietnam where there Huey Helicopter were in service. It was in Bell's financial interest to have Kennedy eliminated because of Kennedy's plan to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (See: NSAM 263)
36:42 "I've lost it"....hey, not bad for 87! Regarding the gun, Ruth says she didn't know about it, but Marina did. That means that Marina as well as Ozzy was concealing it from her. Which makes Marina complicit, especially as she was aware of Ozzy's attempt on Walker. Ruth was just an unwitting enabler; again not complicit, but it could not have happened without her. This may be part of the reason Marina later said she thought Ruth was complicit; i.e. it was easier for her to believe the conspiracy cranks than to face reality that Ozzy acted alone, and maybe Marina felt guilt over her indirect complicity. 58:13 Ruth actually pinpoints exactly when Ozzy decided to do it: Thursday morning, the 21st. She concludes this because had he decided it earlier he would have taken his gun from his rooming house then instead of having to return there after the assassination...unless he forgot it. Actually my take is that he had it in his mind then, which is why he went to Irving that night, but it was his final argument with Marina Thursday night that put him of the edge and that's when he decided for sure. Because had he patched things up with her that night he probably would have aborted. But of course there was a historical inevitability to the event; it wasn't him in a sense it was history, and whatever infinite mysterious forces behind it. 1:01:30 Ozzy said that JFK "was the best President in his lifetime". This jibes with Bugliosi who said it wasn't personal; it was an act against the US and the highest office of the US.
Marina was a KGB agent, just like Oswald. Sounds crazy at first, but it is actually the only logical explanation and everything makes sense from this perspective 🇺🇸
Words aren't facts, unless they're proven to be factual. Ruth Paine is a very credible individual. She's never changed her stance on Oswald and she's never changed her story on the events that occurred during that time period.
Few things I took away from this. ▫️There were times where she was speaking about LHO quite fondly and almost had to remind herself he’s meant to be the ‘bad guy’. ▫️Given the tensions of the Cold War she seemed awfully at ease to house a Russian defector and his wife at her home and deal with the FBI like it was the milkman asking for money. ▫️The fact that not only JFK conspiracy researchers think she has CIA links but the Nicaraguans did too! 😂 ▫️Her bemusement of Garrison’s chalk board describing the CIA training people in swamps which then drew laughter from the Ruth Paine fan club in the audience. I’d expect confusion to occur for her if Garrison had chalk board diagrams of the CIA training people how to play Twister; but given what we know about clandestine CIA involvement overseas I’m struggling to understand why training people in swamps drew the hilarity it did. All in all, an entertaining interview but would I trust her - nope.
Right on. She plays innocent and being a loving person to Marina. Makes me wonder if she was on the CIA payroll at least to foot her grocery bills to feed the Oswalds. Most average people can not afford this even now.
@@karinhopkins6158 Lee Oswald was a communist revolutionary fighter and KGB spy ☝️ He was recruited by the KGB in Japan and trained in Russia and given a KGB wife 🇺🇸
At 2:28 she is clearly lying. When the police arrived, it was Ruth Paine who immediately made the first statement: "come on in, we were expecting you.Just as soon as we heard where it happened, we figured someone would be out". At that point the police had made no reference to Oswald being 'associated with this tragic event'. (Report made by police officers Rose, Adamcik & Stovall). Also note that Paine at the time thought, according to her own testimony, Oswald worked in a different building, not the one on Elm Street.
So your conclusion is she was a conspirator or somehow involved? Utter nonsense. Cherrypicking a fragment from an interview given under extreme pressure is not conclusive evidence of anything. Taken as a whole, Ruth Paine's testimony, which she has given and repeated over the course of nearly 60 years, has remained consistent and one of the very few narratives that rings true. Moreover, it's her insight into the domestic life of the Oswald's that directs our attention to who Lee Harvey Oswald was and why he decided to assassinate Kennedy. It's hard for conspiracy nuts to accept but random tragic events do happen in the lives of ordinary people.
She didn't say please come in, she asked them if they had a warrant. She thought it was unwarranted. But the cop said they could easily get one so she relented. She also said Oswald didn't own a weapon when the police asked their next question. She said no (because Oswald kept them hidden during their moves and in the garage so she was unaware), but then Marina said he did and led the cops to the blanket in the garage. Ruth also said ever since that first day that Oswald didn't hate the Kennedy's and rather liked JFK. If she were in on a conspiracy as a plant, she could have lied and said, yes Lee hated JFK with a passion and wanted him dead, he told me so. That would have sunk him in any trial. She didn't take them to the rifle, she said he didn't own a weapon. If she were a plant she would have led them right away. Now these events she explains in her words and were her testimony. If she contradicted the cops or was shown to be lying she would have been charged with perjury. I guess I missed that news day...!!! She was not a perjured witness.
I totally dismissed all conspiracy theories years ago. Then I watched this interview. This articulate, well mannered woman had no business being with the likes of Lee Oswald in 1963. I find it odd.
65 TossPowerTrap SHES A SPOOK A CIA HANDLER.. & A PROFESSIONAL MANIPULATOR.. She Actually Slips & Starts to mention she was working for the state Department... QUAKER MY LILLY WHITE ASS.. & YEP SHE IN IT UP TO HER NECK.. fuckinlier
Also - why did she need to "learn the language" - seems like she translates pretty effectively for Marina from English into Russian already - just saying....
Her father was the stepson of the owner of Bell helicopters which stood to lose massively if Kennedy was re elected and pulled out of Vietnam. Her mother was a friend of Allen Dulles the one time CIA chief before Kennedy fired him. Her sister worked as a psychologist with the CIA and she met the Oswald's at one of George de Mohrenschild's parties. So yes not the goody two shoes Quaker she's cracked up to be.
@@stuartschneiderman8517 Jim DiEugenio has some very interesting stuff on this subject. Well worth checking that out. She certainly is not a goody two shoes and neither was her (estranged) husband ! I'm just reading DiEugenio's book "The Assassinations" - collected articles from the "Probe" journal he and Lisa Pease edited for years - a really great read...
She already knew Russian and had studied the language since '57, possibly even before Oswald did. She had trouble in conversational Russian, but that's not the same thing as an inability converse. It's not like being a trained interpreter in real-time back and forth. It means a lot of circumlocution. Furthermore, when you have someone--in this case Marina herself--as a live-in de facto tutor, progress in conversation can proceed at a very quick rate.
@@stuartschneiderman8517 There are a lot of underlying relationships that are obviously less than innocent. Whatever the scenerios at the time, Oswald was a pawn in the assassination of President Kennedy. The bottom line details are unknown because of the tangeled web of deceit surrounding the relationship between Oswald and the CIA. Oswald's life was filled with peculiarity, and ambiguity, so it's not clear where the truth starts and stops. In order to lay blame on him for President Kennedy's assassination, the "power's that be" had to create situations and "evidence" that would point to him. No matter what was said or done back then, the President was killed, and Oswald was set up as the one who did it, and that's the bottom line. Then, there was the Jack Ruby connection, which also had a cloud of unclear relationships between him and the CIA. Then, there's the role of then Vice President Johnson, and his connection to President Kennedy's assassination. For an outsider, looking in, the whole conspiracy was meant to confuse and keep people from knowing the truth. During the end of the interview, 1:01:20, Ms. Paine was asked about Oswald's opinion of President Kennedy. Oswald was a patsy, he didn't kill the President, OR "the office of the President".
Her father was affiliated with CIA; her sister worked for CIA, her husband's mother (who she visited right before she picked up Marina) was best friends with Allen Dulles paramour, who also worked for CIA. Who does she think she is kidding?
Well let's say it's all coincidence, if so..it sure isn't with DeMohrenschildt who has links to Presidents, and powerful Oilmen and US Intelligence contacts. No lone nut has those type of connections, and especially Communists.
That doesn't mean she was an employee. Jesus you people just make unfounded assertions.Read my comments in preceding comments. Don't want to waste any more time on foolish thinking and theories
Did she have a phone or not? First she's too poor for a phone, so they wrote letters. Then when Lee goes to louisianna, the wife can stay as she has a phone. Which is it?
"When the authorities came to her house with a search warrant, Mrs. Paine did what every red blooded American housewife would have done, she went shopping while the cops rooted through her garage and bedroom. If Mrs. Paine was subjected to the same justice that the Military Tribunal dished out to those who assisted John W. Booth in his flight from Ford’s Theater after shooting President Lincoln, she would have been hanged whether she was part of the conspiracy or not. Indeed, as Philadelphia attorney Vincent Salandria has said, if there was true justice in this case, Ruth and Michael Paine would be indicted rather than treated as victims, and truth, if not justice, will be better served?. - Thomas Mallon’s “Mrs. Paine’s Garage.”
Here is the root of the conspiracy = Ruth was taught Russain by LILLIAN ZAPRUDER those 2 knew each other and what lead me this way was that Mrs. Sitzman walked back to the Pergola and made sure that Erwin and Robert got away. Then I saw a video on YT of Zaps Gran daughter Alex doing a promo for 26 seconds in Dallas and she did what Abe said not to do ---- She showed the first part of the Zap film of them at home ---- Lillian Zapruder is the Babushka Lady. Zap was not just a nice loving dad He was involved with the Jewish Bingo Society. Jade do you see that they kept calling the rifle a Mauser until Buddy got back from Ruths Garage. What Roger Craig saw was a 1891 Argentine 7.65 Mauser sports mod. to a 30-06. They had them at the nearby gun shop in a garbage can with a sign 25 bucks. Now look that rifle up on Google Images.
Or maybe it's that her story (just like everyone else's story that day, once fact is separated from fiction) does not fit your conspiracy narrative, so you have to twist everything around to make it. Ruth's involved, Marina's involved, the Dallas police, the CIA, LBJ, the mafia, your own mama. Do you realize how deranged you sound? I don't personally care if you want to be a conspiracy nut, but when your fantasies involve impugning someone's good name it becomes a problem. You should have compassion for this woman, who obviously had no involvement and clearly still lives so much with this tragedy, rather than hurling baseless insinuations and vagaries. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is a case of Mrs. Payne re-writing her history of this period in her life to divert interest away from all the suspicious activities in which she was involved. Mrs. Payne was a radical and an active member of the Russian community in Dallas. Ask yourself why she had an urge to study Russian. As a whim? There are so much more interesting facts concerning this lady; facts fleshed out in many books and the Commission Report but rarely discussed. She knows much more than she wants to say. Look up George de Mohrenschildt, very big in the Russian community, and read about his connections to Lee and you'll discover that he felt very highly of Mrs. Payne. You don't get to critcize those who disagree with the assassination narative unless you're read and understand facts abou George de Mohrenschildt and other key players in this history changing event. Roger Craig's story of what happened that day in Dallas is one that is hard to sweep under the rug. Was there a conspiracy? I can't say for sure but many strange things happened that day in Dallas. Conveniently, the person who knew the most was assassinated two days later.
@@timjbolchoz What takes the cookie is what is Ruth doing wearing a trench coat and a scarf walking up the steps and then she exits up Main st. Lillian Zap is the babushka lady and exits up Elm. Some one has been trying to tell me that this stuff does not matter? Both of these two are involved ? How can anyone explain away clear photos of them. I have no proof but maybe Tippit was the officer who responded to the call on the 20th of two men pointing guns at cars on Elm. If so he had to go because he could identify Warren Caster! P.S. Ruby knew Erwin Schwartz , that is how he came across Beverly Oliver . Photos paints a thousand words. When you see all of the people running up the steps they are going into the Pergola not behind the wooden fence. The worst cop there was Buddy Walthers = one man army he found Ozwarts wallet 3 times.
@@timjbolchoz That's right! And notice she's wearing a pink shirt beneath a black blouse...obviously a secret signal to Deep State operatives to begin the next wave of infiltration, and perhaps another assassination. You and me, Sean, we get it! It's all so clear, man.
If you think Payne is Strange, read up on George de Mohrenschildt as Jim Garrison said he called the people around Oswald his handlers, always knowing what he's doing keeping tabs on him.
@@randyharris3175 how many people even today study Russian. she was friends with george de Mohrenschildt, she got Oswald his job. the rambler roger kreig said he saw Oswald get into. "that's mrs pain. don't bring her into this". she is just to close to everything
@@saralee9091 she explained why she studied Russian she explained why she called to get Oswald his job because of Marina we know Roger Craig was a.compulsive liar we know Oswald did not get in her station wagon he had a bus transfer in his pocket and they talked to the cab driver who dropped him off on Beckley
@sara lee excellent points you make! Anyone who has studied this event with an open mind can see that things don’t add up. The very fact that she was a blue blood yankee from up north, living in Jim Crow south, with connections to us intelligence, via her sister Sylvia in Falls Church, VA, and the Demohrenschildts, coupled with the fact she was learning Russian in a time where that was extremely uncommon, was visited by Col. JD Wilmuth who showed up at her door PRIOR to the Assassination to speak with Marina, the fact that she was later involved with PRO NICA in Nicaragua. She is ANYTHING but Susie Homemaker. Also her husbands connections/background alone are shady. The list goes on. But I’m sure it’s alllllll just a coincidence right? GTFOH!!!! What we see on threads like this are sheeple. They are the aspirin popping, newspaper reading, flu shot taking, saps that have always been around! Conventional thinking is a virtue to them. ‘ Don’t ask questions and the authorities are there to help us...” 🙄
Lee and Marina Oswald had met Ruth Paine in February 1963 at a party in Dallas to which George de Mohrenschildt and his wife had brought them. I found that Ruth Paine was the wife of Michael Paine, an engineering designer who did highly classified work for Bell Helicopter, a major Defense Department contractor.
As a routine matter, I wanted to examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret. In addition to the Paines' income tax reports, Commission documents 212, relating to Ruth Paine, and 218, relating to Michael Paine, also had been classified as secret on grounds of national security.
@@janetphillips2875 You'[re the same person who literally just asked me under another thread, "How old are you? You must be ten feet tall and bulletproof. I'm 58. How old are you?"... and then clammed up when I asked you what the heck has that got to do with anything...
Interesting that she traveled down to Nicaragua many years after the assassination to be involved with the PRONICA movement. She’s not your average bear.
Some say she was CIA but ever since the assassination she sure has appeared in public and given speeches and interviews like this one, all of which goes against her being in the CIA.
@@johnthomas3090 But then why is she so public about interviews and telling her story? There are so many long interviews with her on YT and it seems she speaks to a lot of groups.
not true. Read Dale Myers massive book 'With Malice'. The most detailed breakdown of the Tippit murder by Oswald. Honestly, it's almost as big and detailed as Bugliosi's 2,500 page book on the entire assassination. Pretty impressive. The pistol had been rebored and two shells weren't scored with the telltale striations of the barrel, but he had different bullets and the two that fit perfectly well left undeniable barrel marks that tied it directly to the gun was carrying when he was arrested. Also, why the hell would Pswald pull the trigger on the arresting officers in the theatre if he was innocent? If he was innocent and was approached by police, would the reasonable response be "what the heck is going on, how can I help you"?...not "eat lead copp-er." (actually he said "it's all over")
INTERESTING THAT OL RUTH STATES THAT LEE REALLY LIKED WATCHING TELEVISION!...WHILE THE LADY THAT OWNED THE ROOMING HOUSE WHERE LEE STAYED AT IN OAK CLIFF STATED THAT LEE VERY SELDOM WATCHED T.V. AT HER PLACE!...AND FOR THE MOST PART STAYED IN HIS SMALL ROOM READING!
How what George Washington said in his farewell address is dismissed so easily as naïve and that the USofA has had to be proactive in our defense is utter nonsense in the face of making the population think that we have to believe that national interests is justification for secrets. It is madness that now we have given up liberties that the gov’t first claimed we were fighting foreigners to protect those freedoms. Why have the people never questioned US selling weapons to kings? How were the people so quick to believe that it’s right to fight against a countries desire to be free of European colonialism. It is no different in fighting for ones right to say what he feels or believes even when you are certain he is wrong you must still fight for his right to say it. But we continue to give the gov’t a practical blank check to continue with their secrets. When at the very least the people should be starting to understand that a country that has secrets cannot possibly govern by rule of law!
USA has become the most aggressive imperialist state in the world today,quite an irony after the treason,sedition and rebellion committed by the Founding Fathers , emigrants from England, against their king, George III.
Around 17:00 I noticed her hesitating when asked one particular question. She seemed to not have a good reply without thinking about the question more. I do question some of the things she says. I'm leaning to believe she might have been a CIA handler of some kind. I'm 73 and have read lots about the assassination and watched many videos about it.
He should have asked Ruth why the Secret Service did not want Marina Oswald to associate with her after the assassination? or why the FBI did not think the Walker note Ruth gave the FBI was real and returned it to her?
Ms. Pain commented that she called the TSBD to inquire about getting a job for Lee and was told to have him come by and fill out application. However, in the interview with Buell Fraizer, he said he spoke directly to his supervisor and was told to have Lee come by and fill out an application. I guess both could have happened
Yes, almost 60 years later she is still feeding the propaganda anti-Lee maschine by spewing verbalization of:” I am glad Ruby shot him ?” Wow, what a loving and kind lady. A real Quaker for sure. LOL !
If Ruth called the boarding house of Oswald asking “if Lee Oswald lives there and if it is the right number” and the answer was yes, then she is lying or knew that he rented the room under the name OH.Lee. Earlene Roberts confirmed that she only knew Oswald by that name. If Ruth knew this alias, then it raises question! Ruth, why did you learn Russian at the height of the Cold War as a WASP quaker studying in Ohio? A program from the US Department of State you said? 😏 It is “funny” that the WC does not dig more info that topic in your testimonial, the longest of the Report.
You leave the police in your house to go food shopping . You are feeding the police ! This is crazy . You were too involved with Marina . Why ? You were concerned that she did not know that things were being explained to her. Marina was not a baby she spoke some English
Her firast words to police were "do you have a warrant"!!!! She resisted the search initially, but police said they could get one. Is that the actions of a conspirator? It's all suspicion, no evidence she or Michael were involved. If Ruth was CIA why did she say Oswald didn't hate JFK to the WC or in the decades since...why did she say Oswald didn't own any weapons when the police arrived at their door on Nov 22? She could have buried Oswald by saying that he told her he hated JFK and wanted him dead or leading the police straight to the garage. She didn't. It was Marina that then said yes, he had weapons because Oswald had been dry-firing the rifle all summer on their porch and he had admitted that he had taken a shot at Walker. Suspicious conspiracy minds, and with post-hoc hindsight bias and motivated by political ideology, they try to make connections by pretzel logic
im not much to look at myself but wow. this should have happened in cleveland or somewhere. it is difficult to listen to and look at these folk. ruth and her neighbor buell are my worst persons to have to look at and hear their antagonizing voices. holy moly. ruth is nearly impossible to listen to. really her face and teeth are explicit content they warn you of.
Did she ever explain how she was harboring he murder weapon before the assassination , and how did Oswald bring it over into her home or stored in her garage , when Lee did not drive ever and had always been witnessed empty handed when he would catch a ride over for the weekend with a coworker who lived down the street. and why was it so necessary for Lee to break his normal routine of Friday the only day afterwork he would ride HOME with a coworker in Irving to stay with Marina to - a first EVER - Thursday NOV 21st AFTER work ride home to irving . where he collected the rifle at ms. paines and for the first time ever rode along TO work with his coworker FRIDAY morning when he is supposedly seen with a package he is taking in to work , that he claims to be curtain rods. But he went to his boarding home after the shooting to grab his other gun , the pistol , that he was arrested with at the theatre?
@@moprimo2389 Ruth actually moved the Oswalds from New Orleans. She talked them into it. She had been asking them for months, even writing letters and sung by from her long traveling vacation to pick up Marina. Why was this so important to her? Then talking with Lee, he was going to Houston or Philadelphia for a job. The gun must have been in her packed car, she then called her husband Michael, who came over every weekend, to help unload the station wagon. So i dont see how she didnt know about the gun. Ruth lied to the state saying Marina lived in Dallas continuously for a year, to get state aid and the new baby's birth paid for by the state. She committed fraud. I know they were pretty well off and took care of all Marina's needs. Fed them, diapers, housed and cared for them. Oswald was a dishonorable Marine that defected his country and that is who she chooses to help?
@@shernitadee Good to hear a response from a real thoughtful person. I recently watched some more first person accounts related to November 22nd in Dallas , and I have solidified my opinion on Ms Paine even more. Such as Wesley Frasier the young man that drove LEE to work the Friday of assignation , He was tracked down by 2:30pm while visiting the hospital to visit his stepdad on his way home after work was dismissed early after the assignation. 2 detectives arrested him at the hospital before 3:00pm and this was before the Dallas police even confirmed who they had in there custody , Lee Harvey - or Alex Hidell. and he was kept till past midnight almost 12 hours , being interigated over and over again by different detectives of Dallas police before they finally understood that this was just a young 18-19 year old boy that had no involvement in anything. Which makes me wonder , why in the world was Ms Paine given a pass so quickly by investigators, and then for her to be the source for the pictures of Lee with the Gun , and years later the note of Lee confessing to Marina about the shooting of Gen Walker earlier in 1963. All that put aside, the most striking detail that convinces me of Ms Paines involvement, was included in this interview on this night at the museum. When Steven @51:01 brings up her interview in 1964 and her response to how she felt witnessing Lee get shot and killed on live TV by Jack Ruby . She said "Relieved" and "Glad" , and this is right after the segment of the interview when she expresses her deep concern for Marina and the kids after they went their separate ways. Only a Co-Conspirator or someone in risk of being exposed would be "relieved " when Lee was shot and killed, A friend of the family or friend of Marina or people who knew that LEE had children or any good American Should have wanted to see Lee stand trial and for Justice to be administered correctly and according to the law . But Ms Paine was relieved all that was thrown out the window that Sunday when Lee was killed.
Not really. Not in the least in fact is History's understanding. Anyhow this will be and still remains the most watched event in Human History. "Quite the out-ing for this thing called Television." Her thoughts on that would be of course most interesting absolutely.
Just that their story isn't proven in fact with all that's known of Nov.22 63 it's a wonder they are still in business...bc nothing even happened in that building
@@wallacebell4311 lol...your facts are falsified testimonies...lie from a preconceived narrative in a memo handed to the WC that they had to find Oswald as the lone nut..before they got started...and you are dead wrong about they WC has been proven over and over as a non investigation commission...I will gladly debate with you... Why did the commission bury the 301 reports of Buell Westley Frazier and TSBD building foreman Jack Daughtry?...and do you even know what they are?....nope.... Researchers are light years ahead and well beyond the old Warren Commission lies..you need to get up to speed pal... Reading the WC which you haven't and I have bc I do research...you will find the 26 volumes of testimony contradicts the Report itself... I challenge you to read it
100%. Nobody can talk longer and say less than Ruth pain as you say hiding in plain view and I’m writing this before listening and watching this entire interview, but something tells me this guy’s not gonna be the one to pressure in anyway.
@@naysayer1238 Deep State always discredits folks as nuts that speak the truth. From unidentified flying objects to CIA sponsored Coups. Speaking truth gets you labeled. First they ignore you , thinking you will just go away with all of life’s burdens everyday. The more you speak out they go to phase two and label you a nut.
Stephen Fagin, what an excellent job you did there as there were some difficult and sensitive moments especially when talking over the day of the assassination itself.
Do you think kind, generous, Quaker Ruth Paine is all she says she is? Did she presume Oswald was innocent as was his right? Why did she tell the police she was expecting them if she didnt even know there was a rifle in the garage? Why didnt she help Oswald get Abt? She took the Oswalds from CIA connected George de Mohrenschildt and handed Marina off to CIA connected Priscilla Johnson. Ruth's dad and sister were both CIA so I suspect even she might be connected. Why doesnt the 6th floor museum allow someone else to ask the questions and point her down paths she might not want to go down?
@@r.c.miller6161 You are correct in that her father and her sister were both CIA and she just happened to be introduced to the Oswalds by George de Mohrenschildt, who just happened to be connected to the CIA. After LHO was murdered Marina Oswald was then taken under the wing of Priscilla Johnson and guess what? Johnson was also CIA connected. I find it impossible to believe that this is just mere coincidence and Ruth Paine was just totally innocent and uninvolved...hell, she even got Oswald the job at the TSBD and her first words when the police turned up at her house was that she had been expecting them....this was before Oswalds name had been released as being in custody. I think there are 2 people that are still alive that no one really points a finger at as being liars.....Ruth Paine is one of them. The other is good old Buell Wesley Frazier.
I can’t stand Ruth’s rediculous behavior of her same well memorized jovial , flippant attitude about FBI coming, police coming, how “”Lee” ( who by the way was prime suspect in having just murdered the US President who at that time was the well deserved President and a Dallas Police Officer ), and how enormously painful and devastating it was to all the rest of us . Her emotional and supposed tearful moments fluctuate with sarcasm and gleeful lies. I definitely think she is someone who is a liar and deceives . She is not an innocent and Oswald was not the only assasin. She was glad Oswald was murdered by Ruby( who was also part of the mess), because Oswald had screwed up somehow by panicking and shooting police officer . However she did feel he should have proper legal representation?? Hum Bug!!! It’s definitely not an honor to listen to her babbling on and on with her deceitfulness . !! Not for me, I was living at that time ... and it changed all our lives and not for the betterment of humankind what happened to Kennedy.
I totally agree. She seems flippant and almost giggly, as does the interviewer. So much so that it’s impossible to believe her “who, me?” story. He involvement was just too convenient.
15:55
A really odd moment to me. The host brings up that nobody would be at the museum had Ms. Paine not helped in getting Oswald a job at the School Book Depository, almost in an applauding type way.
Im not saying Ms. Paine did ANYTHING wrong, but what happened that day was a TRAGEDY, not something great that brought the audience together.
The host just doesnt seem to get that. He almost seems cheerful. Idk, struck me as weird, maybe youll think so too.
The host has kids in his basement, 100%
Just because she's sure LeeOswald did try to kill JFK ..it doesn't mean there was also a second shooter which has been amply and forensically proven.
if we could read her thoughts from Friday morning to Monday evening after the burials of JFK, Oswald and Tippit, about how Marina was kept from her and no longer wanted to be her friend anymore, I think we can get the gist of why Ruth Paine was so dirty on Oswald for taking 'HER' Marina away from her.
For many years the Sixth Floor Museum was dedicated to showcasing the Warren Commission viewpoint. It's only in recent years that they began to present speakers such as Forensic scientists or medical examiners like Dr. Cyril Wecht and others of his experience to provide alternative views supported and substantiated by actual evidence.
And that's a good thing to see both sides of the Coin.
Yes, they're all like that. It can only be perceived correctly with the point of view that they're a museum of reflection preserving the incident for analysis while not living in an own lingering state of sorrow. Plus conducting relaxed interviews, keeping it impartial and not offensive while preserving their own relevance. I give them credit for "navigating" the challenges and the clear familiarity of data. I wonder their opinion of conspiracy (because of the irrefuting evidence of Oswald taking shots and the overwhelming testimonies of the fence area; I do wonder about the effects of echo.)
Something about this woman makes me question every single thing she says, but after all these years, she still sticks to her story.
Dead men tell no tales. Her lies go unchecked. Marina did teach her Russian. She's a God damn plant!
CIA training.
Absolutely
Just like anybody with govt affiliation all they know is to lie. They make their mistakes or "tells" when telling the truth bcuz they aren't used to it
You people are hopeless, absolutely hopeless. You're going to cling to your madness of conspiracy theory because you're incapable of grappling thoughtfully with the topic. You'll never read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History," or Gerald Posner's "Case Closed" or Jean Davison's "Oswald's Game" because your minds have become so polluted with nonsense you couldn't cope with those books.
I’m just impressed she kept the same hairstyle for 60 years!
The tour of her home was very interesting. Like going back in time.
Should have asked her about her relationship with de Mohrenschildt.
Yes Ruth did not mention that she was introduced to Marina and Lee by none other than the enigmatic George DeMohrenschildt. Lee Oswald's best and only friend. A man now described by wikipedia as having "intelligence connections."
@@rustyshackelford9156 The host of the party was NOT de Mohrenschildt. He was there but the hosts of the party were Everett Glover and Volkmar Schmidt.
@@scottcarroll9201 ah yes I was mistaken, thought I read that somewhere. I'll edit the comment.
What good would that have done?
@@rustyshackelford9156 so shes guilty by association real intelligent commwnt Rusty
Ruth still tells everyone marina taught her Russian but she knew full reading and writing Russian before she meets the Oswald’s.
She never implied that Marina taught her Russian. She's been clear that she had studied Russian well before meeting Marina - did an intense summer semester or something to that effect at Middlebury College. Ruth was always looking to improve her Russian and was delighted when she found Marina whose Russian was so excellent.
@@marymagdalene3004How convenient was that? I don’t think it was by accident that she speaks fluent Russian with a man who ends up killing President Kennedy.
The way I took that was that she was teaching Russian, but wanted to get better at it. This was a chance to speak the language with someone where it was her native language. Understandable.
@@marymagdalene3004 She said she desired to learn Russ from Marina. So...
She wanted to PRACTICE her Russian with Marina. If you ever studied a foreign language, conversational language and the "immersion experience" are essential.
How come they didn’t ask her why her Tax Returns from those years are still classified as Secret by the federal government?
Because you’d put two and two together.
As are LHO
@@marcuslaker5876lol these comments are laughable
As if mine are exclusive?
Excellent point
Great episode. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
All I know is when the reporters in the Dallas PD HQ tell Oswald "You *HAVE* been charged" his face wasn't a look of resignation in being caught. It was pure anger at the set up. R.I.P L.H.O.
Ronbo710 Oh good grief 🙈🤷♂️
Rest in hell..
Poor guy and his poor family
That was Bill Mercer.
it's good you have the superpower of telling guilt by someone's look on their face
why was she laughing and smiling so happy and loose in immediate aftermath of the events in the old Black and white interview clips , but 50 years later she is so emotional she needs a hug from the interviewer?
What does this comment mean? Obviously you have some conspiracy nonsense in mind. Please share.
@@bobbydazzler8684 no I do not, I am simply stating the dissonance between my psych degree education at UCSD and what I am witnessing in this video. @43:13 when the events in question have just transpired, she is smiling laughing , and even states how what has happened in her life regarding housing Oswald and marina “would ultimately not make a change in her life”
My point is just that if you have experienced a tragedy , like most of us have, would you be MORE or LESS emotional and despondent 50 years after the tragedy.
@@moprimo2389 Typical comment from someone who thinks they have special insight. You think your education has revealed something from watching a video. You have absolutely no idea what her state of mind is, and as someone who has supposedly got a degree in psychology, you'd know that you never offer any sort of diagnosis or opinion on a person you haven't personally treated.
@@bobbydazzler8684 I would just like to remind everyone.... its not the conspiracy theory, but the OFFICIAL theory, that the murder weapon RIFLE that used to kill JFK was found in to have been stored at Ms Pains home for some time , with no confirmed account of how LEE managed to bring over the Rifle to her house when he rode to her house everytime on Fridays with a coworker and never had anything except for Friday Morning "curtain Rods" package he had when showing up in the morning to meet his coworker in Irving , down the street before heading to work Friday morning. How was Ms. Paine cleared right away ? How do we know she did not conspire with LEE and supply , harbor and handle the rifle , why was her prints never checked? But by 3:00 Nov 22nd they had arrested Lees Coworker driver and tried to use police brutality to get him to sign confession until Midnight. This whole part of the investigation completely relies on circumstantial evidence that is the based COMPLETELY on the character witness of Ms. Paine , she seeks out Soviet Born Russian speakers ? how possibly could she have been cleared from being a Soviet spy agent during the cold war. Then for her to state in this interview that she was happy to hear LEE was shot and died ? Why so the public would never be able to hear 2 sides of the story that would possibly incriminate her at the very least as aiding in an assassination ? No WONDER Marina didn't want anything to do with her afterwards, How can Marina ever be sure that Ms Paine was not involved in setting up Lee or at least partnering in murder with Lee, she justifies Marina cutting off their friendship when she so easily said she it was good that Lee was shot and killed on live TV.
@@moprimo2389 Lol - conspiracy nut alert! What if, what if, what if. Provide a single piece of concrete, tangible and verifiable evidence that Ruth Paine isn't exactly who she says she is and I'll stop to listen. Otherwise, you're just constructing a theory that satisfies your inability to accept what's staring you right in the face.
Funny how the police knew it was Oswald only an hour later .
When something has been planned for more then a half a year every step was well known to the participants, since Dallas Police was on on it. Lee knew back in August they were going to do this to him. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book “ Me and Lee “
He tried to get out of the country after this event but even the prearranged pilot who was to fly him out of the country after the event was taken out in his plane. Nothing going on in anyone’s life was secret. Non of the many killings were coincidental even
ts.
Read Jim Marr’s book” Crossfire”, or “Mary’s Monkey “. Judith Baker Vance’s “ Me and Lee”.
Who is behind all those killings ? Certainly not a lone nut.
Lee had a good heart. He did not talk much. Not like Ruth Paine. She is pushing 90 still loves to tell her story that contains only partial truth. Her story is incomplete. Where did money come from to feed extra people and help buy diapers etc. Good Samaritan? LOL !!!
Well he was the only person who fled the scene, only a guilty man runs.
@@TheCleaner76 Running for an hour straight lol yeah no one else ran. Did you even try you loser
@@TheCleaner76 that's not how the justice system works at all.
@@mariahyohannes uh, he also shot a cop, same afternoon.
Ruth Paine was married to Michael Paine the stepson of the engineer who started Bell Helicopter- JFK was pulling out of the Vietnam war, Bell was building Hueys as fast as they could to supply the War- there are no coincidences folks.
"In 1959 Michael Paine got a job with Bell Helicopter in Fort Worth, Texas[6] and the Paines moved into a house in the suburb of Irving (Michael Paine's step-father, Arthur M. Young, invented the Bell Helicopter). As liberals in Dallas, the Paines were isolated, and Ruth Paine was quite lonely".[4]
No there are not. Ruth is not who she was planted to be and remained undercover her whole life. How hilarious her husband was pulled out of her life
when she was set up with Oswald and then miraculously reappeared in her life for a number of years before a finale split. It’shameful how generations distantvfrom that travesty and horrible pain and grief of loosing Kennedy.
Exactly
Swell, what the hell has that got to do with the evidence in this case, which all points at Oswald?
@@mimigott5166 No evidence for this garbage.
Too many coincidences with this woman: wanted to speak Russian, got them to Dallas, got him to book depository.
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES!
Talks like a recruited specialty handler. This woman could get a job handling Kanye she's so deep in it
@@howiegruwitz3173 your CRT KKK hood is crooked
She was 100% involved in this crime 👍🏻
Her sister was/(is?) a CIA analyst....
She's a wonderful, smart, and compassionate woman!
She has had to put up with idiots accusing her of unspeakable acts yet she stands firm and has never changed her story!
She has had to bear the guilt of welcoming the Oswald family into her home only to experience a lifetime of guilt and pain.
if I had house guests that I didn't know very well that the fbi was keeping tabs on, I believe I wouldn't have house guests any more 😳🤷♀️
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@Natalee Huling QH`s
Or if you had such guests it would indicate that you are working with the FBI.
This woman is lying through her teeth.
I have thought that to be strange, also.
She had them as guests because she had a major job to do! She said she didnt have money, yet she was left the equivalent to 2.7 millions dollars in an inheritance. This woman knew so much and the warren commission shut it down!
The FBI wasn't keeping an eye on Oswald he was working for them and the CIA!! He had been working for them for years and anyone who knows what that was like back in those days let's just say if he had defected and gave Russia information he would have been locked up and interrogated!! What's funny about anyone believing this woman is she was involved in the assassination and cover up and her testimony can't be trusted due to the fact of her connections and the lies she has been forced to tell!! Just from listening to her speak and watching her body language there are an awful lot of signs of deception!!
Very kind woman…but there’s something very odd as well.
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I agree but can’t think what
She’s a CIA agent. Too well spoken and the details of her story are too clear for someone her age. As an elderly lady who was just a casual witness she doesn’t even pause to think as if she’s remembering as she goes along her words just spill out.
@@tula1433 I mean “wow”! What situational awareness on your part! Never even thought of that.
Ruth’s family members are actually involved with CIA, so was Lee. They all help each other. It was no accident that Marina lived at her house while Ruth tried to learn the Russian language and later Spanish.
Ruth never wavered from the mainstream media mind controlled narrative as to who killed our president. Kept up the mind control game by the CIA into her old age. Shows she had a closed mind to real and accurate info by many who produced the real facts as varified in their books.
She certainly would have made a great Hollywood actress, where many play a convincing part. Yet it is a play never the less.
Fascinating interview! Ruth seems to be a wonderful person.
Interesting that she said she wanted to learn Russian from Marina - Ruth was already TEACHING Russian at the St. Mark's School by 1963. If you research Ruth Paine you will find that she was no ordinary housewife.
Sounds just like Gerald Ford, " No credible evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic."
Mike Pardue
@Std Disclaimer It's Mike Pardue, not Rebecca. My name is clearly on my last comment. See how easy it is to overlook things.
@Std Disclaimer One question. What was the angle, in degrees, from President Kennedy to the 6th floor window when President Kennedy was shot in the back ?
Mike Pardue
@Std Disclaimer Rebecca is my wife ok ? 19 to 20 degrees huh ? The FBI agents present during the autopsy, Sibert and O'Neill, wrote down everything that was said. The bullet entered at an angle between 45 and 60 degrees and did not exit.
Now, on a personal note, you obviously can't have a discussion without insulting everyone else so, we are done. Have a good day.
Mike Pardue ✌
Utter rubbish! What's suspicious about that? She wanted to practice spoken Russian with someone who was a native speaker. This is what happens when you can't think independently of the conspiracy nonsense. Please explain for everyone here why she was "no ordinary housewife".
Fabulous! Thanks sincerely for this program!
so what about this:
It was Ruth Paine who had arranged to drive Lee Harvey Oswald’s family from New Orleans to the Dallas area.
It was Ruth Paine who had timely managed Oswald to get a job in the Texas Book Depository Building which turned out to be situated on the Presidential motorcade route of November 22, 1963.
It was Ruth Paine who failed to advise Oswald that a better paying job was available to him than the one to which she had arranged to get for him at the Texas Book Depository Building.
It was in Ruth Paine’s garage where the rifle was supposedly stored that allegedly belonged to Oswald and was asserted to have been used by Oswald to kill Kennedy.
It was in Ruth Paine’s garage in which other incriminating evidence against Oswald was reported to have been stored.
It was the role of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine, both of whom purported to be committed to civil liberties, to join the authorities in designating Oswald as the assassin without his having had been offered even a suggestion of due process before he was conveniently killed while in police custody.
hmmmmm what about all that? how's this woman so front' n center in all of this, just seems weird, in so many ways actually....
So what about this: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
That proves nothing except that you've indoctrinated yourself with BS.
All your points are BS. You distorted and omitted key facts:
* Oswald was hired at the TSBD before the motorcade was planned. The job was suggested by a neighbor. Ruth couldn't have known the motorcade would go by the the TSBD.
* She didn't know Oswald's rifle was in the garage.
* Oswald was hired at the TSBD before the other job interview was offered.
* Yes, Ruth drove the Oswalds to New Orleans. So what? She helped Oswald and his wife. "No good deed goes unpunished."
*Oswald wasn't "conveniently killed," nor was the rifle merely "alleged" to belong to him. He bought it. He owned it. He used it to kill Kennedy.
* It's not her fault that Oswald stored an incriminating photo among his belonging in her garage.
* You have no clue -- just a malicious attempt to falsely blame her for Oswald's crimes -- typical conspiracist garbage.
@FrankCoffman 🤣 yea nice try, I didn't need to "distort" anything since those are already facts that are in the mix long before I was born, all roads lead to her and her husband for a reason, not my fault you can't accept them now is it
@@BlacKnightRising Ha. You haven't proved anything, except that you can distort facts to make false accusations against a nice lady who had NOTHING to do with the assassination. No, "all roads" don't lead to her. That's a lie.
All roads lead to Lee Harvey Oswald who used his rifle to murder President Kennedy. The bullets and shells were conclusively matched to his rifle. He carried a long narrow package to work. He had no alibi. He fled immediately, shot Officer Tippit and he tried to shoot the arresting officer.
You didn't mention those facts -- because you want to falsely blame her, instead of blaming him for his evil crime. You're full of bull.
In 2018 I met with Ruth Paine in Santa Rosa, Ca.. She lives in a nice Quaker complex and we met in the lobby for about 90 minutes. I was starstruck! She's a lot taller than I thought, maybe 5'10", it was interesting. She mentioned although divorced from husband Michael for many years, he lives in the same building as her, right down the hall. He has complete Alzheimers and dementia, she takes care of him and said that he has no idea who she is and hasn't for quite sometime. It was interesting to speak to a person that close to the JFK Story.
Michael died in March 2018.
You might be interested in Thomas Mallons book about Ruth Paine. Well written and interesting.
@@butchie2752 Thank you!
@@jimr7398 I think it’s titles Ruth Paines Garage
@@butchie2752 thanks, I googled the author and I had read the book! It was done very well, very readable. Ruth Paine, another footnote in an amazing story which seems to be coming back to life a bit. She was still sharp as a tack in 2018, she told me she thought Oswald had a death wish. Thanks again.
She was a CIA handler. Marina's handler. George DeMoreshield was a handler for Lee. May have misspelled George's name but you get the point
George d Mohrenschiltd, exactly right. He was a the Paines were domestic CIA.
@@ronniebishop2496 George de Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne were both known KGB agents, dum dums
So was Oswald's lawyer John Abt and Mark Lane... All known KGB agents ☝️
Tin foil hats at the ready kids
@@Beastgrows Ducks with heads in sand butts in air. Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha
Ok so..🙄🤣👀
A fascinating interview but so many questions to be asked, thank you for this Stephen.
read Pricilla McMillan's Marina and Lee. Quite a long book, but a page-turnerer for anyone into the assassination. Lee was an unstable, pissed-off loner who beat Marina regularly after they returned to the US from late '62 until Nov 63
Oh, so the first time anyone "found" incriminating evidence that Oswald took a shot at Gen. Walker was when the Secret Service showed up at Paine's door with a note written in Russian that they thought she could identify. When she did not identify it or the handwriting of it the Secret Service took license to consider this as evidence that Oswald tried to assassinate Walker. If Marina had identified it there would have been no reason to show it to Paine. Her refusal to identify it is indicative of the fact that she had never seen it before and that Marina had never told her about a "Walker incident". Could this have been a fabrication? Ruth and Marina passing things via the police......who knows what was inside this book? Who knows what may have been placed there in the process?
@Std Disclaimer You're right. A president has never been assassinated and who cares anyway huh
@Std Disclaimer So have you ever got a conspiracy theorist on here to answer even one single direct question put to them? All I still ever get in response are accusations of being a CIA plant, or demands in all caps that I shut up, or the occasional simple death threat.
@Std Disclaimer In the past couple of days, I've now asked direct questions and made points clearly demonstrating Oswald's guilt and the hopelessly ludicrous implausibility of a vast conspiracy... and both times I've got in response "those questions are not worth answering!' Full stop. lol
@Std Disclaimer And how....
Marina's testimony that Oswald admiting he shot Walker or so he thought. And the bullet found in Walker's house that made a hole in his wall was later indentified as belonging to the Manlicher Carcano rifle that Oswald owned. (If your wife testified against you it's not a good sign). She also confirmed that he left the house the night of the Walker attempt and returned after the attempt and then told her he shot Walker. And she testified that he hated Walker with a passion.
Lee obviously got up and left early on purpose, in order to be able to get the gun out of the garage and bring it to Frazier's.
Buell never really scrutinized the package, a quick glance and when they got to work, he didn't see it much either, as he was reving his engine while Lee walked away. It was the gun, as Lee held the stock under his arm pit, with his hand grabbing the barrel. Whose holds curtain rods under an arm pit? Buell said it was 24-26 inches because he saw him at a distance and figured he was also holding the package from underneath with his right hand, as opposed to grabbing the side of it, that's how he came up with these measurements. He even admits he didn't pay much attention as he was looking at the trains that he enjoyed. It's too bad because it gave rise to needless speculation and conspiracy theories.
@@michaelarnold838 I know everything whereas you imagine everything
And...on a Thursday he hitches a ride to Irving with Buell - something he never did before and it was not his house and he knew that Ruth Paine did not want him there except on Sat. and Sunday just to visit his wife and kids. Very much out of place that. Then, he's so wound up he gets up early and walks to Buell's house which he never did before. Then, he carries this longish thing just like you would carry a rifle or shotgun. I mean, what was the hurry about getting the "curtain rods" from Paine's house? Like it couldn't wait until the next day to just go out to Irving as usual? When folks do things like this that are so out of the norm and so disjointed, it kind of sounds a loud alarm. And...Marina went to show them where he kept the rifle and IT WAS NOT THERE!!! No question that he did it. I think Paine said it best when she said that she surmised that Lee wanted to be a SOMEBODY and took advantage of a unique set of circumstances to bring him the mother load of notoriety! Or...even if other actors where involved in the shooting, to me, Lee was definitely one of them.
@@marymagdalene3004 I've yet to hear one conspiracy theorist explain how a conspiracy knew where the rifle was, how they knew Oswald would show up at the house Nov 21, how it could have known Oswald would suddenly possess that "curtain rods" package, how they made the rods disappear, how they knew he wouldn't just stand out on the sidewalk to watch the parade, etc.
@@marymagdalene3004 Agreed. Sums it up pretty well. Definitely one part, not necessarily the ONLY one in on the scheme.
The rifle was 41 inches minimum.
Even Buell, at 6ft 1. couldn't tuck it in there.
A remarkable, thoughtful, humble, and insightful person.
Incredible set of circumstances that a simple gathering of some women leads to Oswald getting a job at the Texas School Book Depository right at the end of the motorcade on the way to the the Trade Mart. Oswald had also applied to two other places for employment in early October 1963 and did not get selected. How history would have been so different to this very day had Linnie Mae Frazier-Randall, Ruth Paine and Roy Truly not been involved in such a trivial matter like finding work for Oswald On a completely different note Steve you say the one living person you wanted to interview was Ruth Paine that's no quite accurate. The one person still alive who needs to be interviewed, before it's too late, is Marina Oswald. I believe she is 78 or 79 now and lives in Dallas so you need to get her in your oral history before it's too late. I know she is feisty but perhaps you can persuade her to an interview before it's too late. Also try to get June & Audrey (Rachel) Porter (Oswald's two daughters) and perhaps Robert Oswald (not sure if he is still alive?). Will be down to visit the museum as soon as you're allowed to reopen (P.S. I was 13 at the time and studied it relentlessly for the past 56+ years. Thanks for all you do)
Go watch the 2 Oswald's it will blow your mind,this lady is lying and doing it like she was trained to lie because records show different,go watch it and come to your own conclusion because it puts alot of thing's in place like a puzzle about LHO.
Marina is a KGB agent who has been operating under cover for 60 years now... Just like her husband Lee and his best friend George, except that they died during their mission or covering it up afterwards 🇺🇸
Robert has passed away
@@insertnamehere313 That's hilarious.
@@kxkxkxkx That's even more hilarious.
The most intriguing part of this starts at about 37:40 with Ruth and Michael Paine on the day of the assassination...I never saw that part of the clip before. I fortunately got Ruth Paine to answer a letter (about 6 months after I sent it) to an address I had for her in California. She wrote back such a nice letter and signed it "Ruth Hyde Paine". I will always treasure it.
Micheal Paine had a security clearance required for his job at Bell , his name was on the deed of the house, how was it that he was just timely enough to not be living withthe soviet defector guests in his house just before and after the assignation. Im sure that would have been a breech of his contract being so closely tied to soviets
@@moprimo2389
SO??? Here we are almost 58 YEARS after this event and conspiracy theorist are still just throwing out just loose words and ideas with their "anything goes" approach and never able to play out what they are saying. Funny that for the first (non-police or Fed) interviews Ruth and Michael Paine gave on TV the very day Oswald was killed (November 24) conspiracy theorist would think they would bury and cement Oswald as "an unstable, crazy, time-bomb, Kennedy hating, gun obsessed, super-Communist motivated nut" and instead, in separate interviews they practically said the OPPOSITE.
@@pajasa62 he was the VERY first United States Marine to defect to the USSR...
Does that meet your definition for a crazy super-communist? It does for me!
@@pajasa62 For sure, and just how vast and sprawling do they think this phantom conspiracy was, anyway? All it took was two reporters and a couple of witnesses to explode Watergate and bring down the government....
@@aaronz7056 There was NO conspiracy. The only person involved and knew shots would be fired at the motorcade was Lee Harvey Oswald! I don't find any proof anyone but Oswald himself was involved. I was 16 when the assassination occured and have been studying it off and on ever since. In 1964 I was impressed with Mark Lane's Rush To Judgement which attempted to throw water on Oswald's involvement. But by the 40th anniversary in 2003 it became crystal clear to me no one but Oswald was involved. The facts that one can absolutely nail down is just three shots all from the 6th floor window and from an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. Since Mr. Truly was a bit skeptical about hiring Oswald, but did, and Oswald worked there and the rifle found absolutely belonged to Oswald and it's easy to prove the three shots came from that building and all the ballistic tests PROVE all fragments, spent shell casings and CE399 the magic bullet were fired by Oswald's rifle, it is just natural to assume the person who fired those shots killing Kennedy and wounding Connelly WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD! Occam's razor really does cut to the chase!
Yeah Ruth Paine, got Oswald his job at the TSBD she went so far as to ring Roy Truly at that business, and later stood at the front door of her IRVING HOME when DPD and Dallas County Sheriff Deputies and told them, "I've been expecting you!"
according to cops who she opened the door for. And the cops found filing cabinets belonging to her and her husband with documents relating to Central & South American countries, and a second MINOX spy camera.
Ruth testified she was shocked when police came to her door, but more than one cop who came to her door said she was welcoming, invited them into search her home and said that she had been expecting them. Almost like, "Why did it take you so long to get here?"
Not so clean-skinned our lovely Quaker lady, Mrs. Ruth Paine!!!!
You're a pathetic clown.
No... and why would she want to learn Russian of all languages... don't buy the youth exchange thing _helped along by the state department._ Perhaps she needed Russian for her job? ... I wonder which organisation would need a Russian speaker. 🤔
Ruth already knew that Lee and Marina Oswald were illegal undercover KGB agents... She was trying to figure out their mission, but by then it was too late ☝️
@@jimmycricket5366 you need to read less conspiracy books and more facts. She was already learning Russian well before Oswald’s came on the scene and in order to practise speaking she stayed friends with them
Yeah I’ve got lots of books and pamphlets about Italy and France where I love vacationing. I guess I’m part of a major conspiracy…..
She supposedly befriended Marina to help her learn Russian when she already knew how to speak it. Incriminating evidence kept being 'found' in her garage after it had already been searched. She admitted she didn't like LHO. She was annoyed that Lee called her and asked her if she would help find him lawyer. She thought he should have one but she was surprised that he would ask something of her at that point. She was bothered that he used her typewriter without asking. She was in her garage the night of Nov. 21 painting but yet she didn't know about 'the' rifle being in the garage? And she assisted Lee in getting the job at the TSBD. A lot of curious connections.
Autshot20 You’re another conspiracy nut. She wanted to be more fluent in Russian. She spoke some but what better way to really learn a language than to be around someone who spoke it as their first language. Geez
*sigh* Alright let's take these one by one. Paine states in this interview her Russian wasn't very good and she wanted to get better. Immersing yourself in a language is the best way to learn it and being around a native speaker is a form of immersion.
What incriminating evidence found in her garage are you referring to? The rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. It didn't have a note on it saying "This is a rifle. DO NOT TOUCH!" EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE found at the Paines was corroborated by Marina, from the rifle to the backyard photos to the Edwin Walker notes, so unless you think Marina was involved in the conspiracy your accusation is meaningless.
She didn't like Oswald because she felt he was not a good husband. No grand mystery there. As for her being surprised he would ask something from her after killing the President of the United States I would think that would be a pretty normal reaction but your mileage may vary. She wasn't bothered he used the typewriter, she was bothered that he typed up a letter to the Soviet Embassy telling them the FBI wasn't interested in him when she knew damn well that they were.
Again, the rifle was disassembled and wrapped in a blanket. To anyone simply scanning the contents of the garage it would look like a normal, folded blanket. Finally, she assisted Lee in getting that job because Marina asked her to. If you want to invest that event with some sort of nefarious meaning then you have to believe that Buell Frasier's sister was also part of the plot since she's the one who told Ruth about the School Book Depository.
@@markstanley6876 Typical response, someone questions the circumstances involved in the situation and you label them a nut. Typical. She became interested in speaking Russian in 1959. She even taught Russian. And she just happens to befriend the wife of the person who would eventually be charged with assassinating the President of the United States? Of all the ways she could have developed her fluency in the Russian language, that is the option she chose? Coincidence? And what about all of the evidence that appeared to keep showing up in her small, one car garage? She stated she didn't like him very much. Is that an objective witness to what the setting was at her home?
@@scottcarroll9201 She wanted to improve her Russian, so she befriended Marina. That was her only means of developing her fluency? The incriminating evidence? The pictures of him holding the weapons. The communists material the DPD. The notes on Walker. It seems reasonable that if she was in that small garage she would have noticed a blanket that appeared to be wrapped around something. Didn't have to be label, RIFLE< LOOK IN HERE. She stated she never noticed the blanket. She never noticed the paper that Oswald supposedly used to wrap the rifle in. You are right, she didn't like him, it doesn't matter why. Some of these items were found after the garage had been searched. Pieces of evidence seemed to keep showing up after the garage had already been searched.
To use her as an objective witness to the circumstances involving Oswald is perhaps not the best way to reach a conclusion about what type of man he was. She said he had NEVER come out to the house on a Thursday prior to Nov. 21. That implies him showing up on Thursday 11/21 was completely out of the routine. That is not true. There is a record of him cashing a check at an Irving liquor store on Thursday, Oct. 31.
And she was bothered he had used her typewriter. She was bothered he had type the letter and that he had used her typewriter to do it. And Marina has changed her story on several pieces of the evidence over the years.
@@Autshot20 -Lone Nutters never look below the surface. Oswald was an actor he was playing a role as a Communist. LBJ was playing a role in the aftermath, as was was Dulles on The Warren Commission. Ruby was playing a role as an Avenger of The President's death, when in reality his life depended on killing Oswald who he stalked the whole weekend.Marina, and Ruby, both said there was a conspiracy,but they ignore that too.
This is an incredibly good interview!!
Classic textbook misdirection..
@@aaronsmith5433 Funny she has CIA ties and after the assassination the police came to her house to search and she asked for the warrant cops said they didn't have one and she still let them in to search,why ask them then,also if Oswald fired 7 shots then why did he test negative on a pariphine test on his face,neck,arms and hands,Oswald's pariphine test can be seen by anyone it's public record now.
@@aaronsmith5433 So you're saying she was in on it too. Okey dokey.
@@figgybass You just can't reason with conspiracy buffs. They are wedded to the idea of conspiracy. They like every conspiracy they hear and read about.
@@figgybass no, Ruth was part of the American counterintelligence effort against KGB agent Lee Oswald and his KGB wife Marina 🇺🇸
Why her fascination with Russia? That is not explained in this interview at all. She comes off disingenuous at many points in this interview. Things are not adding up with her.
She was involved in student exchange in Russia to try to help peace relationships
What points Christine?
She seems believable to me, but I agree there are lots of areas that seem incredibly coincidental. She spoke at two foreign languages while living a seemingly mundane existence in Dallas TX and just happened to be housing the person accused of assassinating the president. She seems to despise Oswald and was very acquiescent with the CIA, but was she implying she was a communist sympathizer? I really don't now what to make of her. The interview was awful; he just read his list of questions, that she didn't seem surprised by and didn't follow any threads that came up in the process. Odd.
I am a U.S. citizen who has a deep fascination and love of England and British history, traditions, customs, etc. People get fascinated with other countries for various reasons. Your comment in saying that she comes off as disingenuous is just ridiculous.
michael mcqueen Thank you. My god, the stupidity when someone wants a conspiracy
OMG she’s clearly lying, she is totally saying the commission was thorough 😅, yea ok CIA AGANT PAINE
Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady is a conspirator, secret agent, and traitor, and don't forget to bolster your own credibility by fearlessly challenging her not to sue you for libel.
because that's her opinion, that makes her CIA? Well then 35% of the country is CIA then. I know you were trolling a bit by yoiur comment, but that's stupid. About 99% of conspiracy buffs have never read the WR, and you haven't either. I didn't - and I believed conspiracy fully for 30 years, but I stayed in my little conspiacy bubble, never reading one counter opinion or official source. Go and read it. NOTE:....!!!!!!! The HSCA took a long long time to investigate and looked into all the deficiancies of the WC investigations...they have panels of experts with modern techniques (I can pfovide some details if you want), and the confirmed ALL the conclusions of the WR (except one, which was the bogus dicta-belt recordings which caused them to add that last bit about a second shooter. They were about to conclude Oswald did it alone until the 11th hour when the accoustic evidence got introduced). So the very acurate, sober, expert HSCA investigation agreed with the WR on everything and every conclusion (though they recommended improvements that could have been made). Kind of shoots down most conspiracy buffs views on the WR
have you read it...??? no of course not. No conspiracy junkie has. I didn't for the entire 30 years I believed a conspiracy. I have now. Just do it, you won't break...
In my opinion the sixth floor museum exists to maintain the cover story of the assignation and prevent real investigation and inquiry into the murder.
Stop reading Conspiracy books.
foolish comment
there were 5 investigations in total incl Clark and Rockafeller. You have to do pretzel logic here as a conspiracy buff.... The HSCA confirmed all the conclusions of the Warren report in their final draft report of Dec 23 1978 just before the end of the investigation. Then the faulty acoustic material was accepted a few weeks before closing the investigation. That changed the final report to conclude a 'probable' conspiracy from a 4th shot. But that conclusion was erroneous because the acoustic material was debunked by the National Academy of Sciences a few years later. So as a conspiracy buff (and I've heard this asserted by some of them) that the entire HSCA was also a cover-up. Well, how convenient (as the Church lady would say). Anytime there's evidence that refutes your theory, you just chalk it up to a nameless conspiracy power with no direct evidence. The hundreds and hundreds of people on the whole HSCA are also in on it. Watergate had 10 people involved and started to unravel in the first moths. Not a chance boys and girls
In a supposed lone nut case that altered the trajectory of History how is everyone so interconnected in Dallas on that day 1963? even by one or two degrees and many of the behaviors seem uncommon or unusual for the lay person back then; everyone's a specialist
how do crime scenes get automatically cleaned and turned into museums?
Jim Garrison later went on to become a judge. he penned a book. his research has pointed towards some truth: if you were only putting Oswald's wife up that ought to be dismissed eventually.
for 1963 Oswald seem to move around an awful lot: he's in Russia was he in japan? now he's in Dallas
@@mojoeye He was no loner, that's a fact.
Interesting interview. As an institution dedicated in part to educational activities, I think the Sixth Floor Museum should avoid presenting a one sided view of the JFK assassination. They should also make an exhibit available under the title The Controversial and the Conspiratorial Views on the JFK Assassination, where people could be exposed to alternative perspectives and evidence as well, and reach their own conclusions. Keep in mind that at any given time at least 60% of the public (be it Democrat, Republican or otherwise) believes that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone.
Only because the conspiracy theory makes it more interesting and their are like a trillion of them just take your pick what you want to believe there has been millions made off of them. But the facts don't support any of them other then LHO. But thats just to damm boring.
Not only did he not act alone and he knew this prior to the event when he stated any bullet from him would be one less bullet the president would receive. That statement shows number one why he was ordered back to Dallas by his handlers and number two he knew the planners of such events always use more then one lone nut sharp shooter. Number three he knew way back in July what was being planned by those he was working for and working with regarding Kennedy getting snuffed, which left him no choice. Read Judith Baker Vance’s book :” Me and Lee!” Ruth Pain knew not enough details about Lee’s real hopes and plans he had for himself and Judith Baker Vance after Marina turning him down for a reconciliation the evening before the president’s assassination.
The president clearly received shots from behind as well as from the front/ grassy knoll and not from way above, which would have been a weird angle for any of the injuries at the throat, in the back and right side of the head, and separate shots to Connell. 5 shots, possibly 5. No way did Lee do this.
Those he worked for planned this assassination very clearly as LBJ’s mistress revealed in one of her 1990 interviews. They had Lee over the barrel since he traveled the world on their financial support. He was a low guy in that higharchie and low pay for sure but it left him with no choice but to obey and follow orders. At least he appeared to sort out his life until he could get out from under those who controlled him.
Mrs Paine made up her mind being under the mainstream media mind control system. No wonder Marina backed off from a continued friendship.
Ruth is still opinionated and partially mind controlled. Too bad. Lee tried to get out from under the control he had been under but at the same time appear to be obedient to his controllers.
It is better to gather all the facts first before making this judgmental statement :” I was glad that Lee was killed by Ruby ?” Wow ! What an awefull remark by anyone !!!
@@karinhopkins6158 I can't believe you took the time to type all of this dribble. Just more of the same nonsense.
@@leemoore9933 * drivel
@@karinhopkins6158 BINGO! As far as the trajectory of the shots....Charles Nicolette was most likely firing from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex Building....I went to exact spot James Tague was standing, a direct line from his feet to the president leads DIRECTLY to the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tax Building..... According to the Warren Commission the James Tague bullet was one of 3 fired by Oswald, this would have mean that his 2nd and 3rd shots hit the president yet the first one passed over the car the top of the car by AT LEAST 20 feet!!! The only wound that is consistent with bullet coming from the 6th floor is the one at the back of the armpit on John Connally, exit at the right nipple. "Absolutely not. I do not for one second believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." John Connally
If only she hadn't known about the job opening at the book depository......
That was her job as a CIA handler
@@JohnSmith-ms8njExactly ! And Oswald gets a phone message, as he's being considered for a much better-paying job, elsewhere. This evil woman made sure he didn't get the message. They wanted Oswald to STAY at that book depository.
@@marvinbone1379 he never got an offer for another better paying job!!! Are you nuts? Where's the citation for that claim? Oswald got fired from 3 jobs in the 10 months prior to being hired at TSBD. Truly hired him from the Frasier's suggestion. I guess they are all implicated too. I guess half the population of Dallas were CIA
She immediately had the tap taken off the phone after the assassination.
@Std Disclaimer Lee Harvey Oswald had already attempted to assassinate a US Army General and had been interviewed by the FBI as such many Months prior to JFK.
@@doolittlegeorge can you provide PROOF that Oswald shot at General Walker?
@@doolittlegeorge No. Somebody shot into an empty room at Walker's house and the bullet went through the wall into another room where Walker was. Two men were seen leaving in different cars. I think the gun/bullet was not the same as Oswald's guns. Marina was an incredible liar and not a reliable witness.
@@watermelonlalala Whoa. You forgot to explain the found photos of Walker's house and Lee's instructive letter to Marina.
@@banjohombre7252 In my theory Mrs. Paine and Marina and George deM. work together to frame Oswald.
Imagine the situation at the time. Dead middle of the Cold War. The Cuban missile crisis was barely 1 year before..and you allow a known defector/traitor and his Russian wife to move into your home. Never occurs to you that big trouble could ensue. I’ve always wondered about that.
She must have wanted to learn Russian REALLY BAD!!
She wanted that inflated Bell helicopter shares money real bad.
Maybe it was her secret job to watch them, dum dum...
@@jimmycricket5366 Exactly Bell Helicopter had great motive to have Kennedy eliminated. Kennedy was going to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (NSAM 263).
@@williamwhitten7820 They were on the verge of bankruptcy.
Seemed an extreme, righteous, unyeilding, humanitarian.
What a sick country the USA is and glad I live in Europe. Oswald was in the lunch room at the time buying a 5 cent coke and has 3 witnesses to prove it
Nonsense, there are no witnesses to Oswald being inside when the shots were fired.
And there were no TSBD employees outside who saw Oswald.
Oswald left the scene, never asked anyone what had happened, never asked his landlady how the president was when he got home....an astonishing fact.
He then shot a cop and attempted to shoot other DPD in the Theatre....he owned both murder weapons......and there are 50 + more points of guilt. I think you need to read up on the case.
Fred Litwin
Peter Knight
Mel Ayton
John McAdams
Blog of David von Pein
Would be good places to start...
@@patrickcollins7407 Three people came forward. All three started he was in the lunch room at the time. You seem to have an agenda. Let is hope you are also not mentally ill too, as many people have tried on the single bullet theory
@@teenherofilms No they did not. Carolyne Arnold said she saw Oswald around 12:25.....she was wrong, his co workers said he was downstairs anytime between approx 1145 and 1215.
You are ill informed. I dip in and out of here for research purposes for a book on the case - mainly ref the amount of ignorance there is on the subject from CTers like you!
I have no agenda other than research.
I interviewed Harold Norman and Jnr Jarmen in 1983.....they left Oswald on the 6th floor around 12:05 they thought. They did not see him in the lunch room.
Oswald lied that he saw those guys in the lunch room, they were outside then went back up to the 5th floor where B. R Williams joined them.
Your sources are obviously poor.
Just read some decent material:
Peter Knight
Mel Ayton
Fred Litwin
John McAdams
Jean Davison
The above are excellent......if you just use the web.....you are just going to be duped.
SBT - you mean the SB Fact.
Give me an alternative - post it here....
Explain ovoid entry to JC and the lack of bullet wipe....?
Google Chad Zimmerman JFK bullet wounds. He is THE authority on the SBT along with Dale Myers and Larry Sturdivan, people no doubt you have never heard of....(?)....
@@teenherofilms Their is no single bullet because the a Governor said he heard a shot, well if that is the magic bullet he should have been hit already because when you watch the Zappruder film the President is grabbing his throat after coming from behind the street sign and a bullet travels at least 2000 feet per second and the Governor said that he turned after hearing the shot and saw nothing then when he turned back to face the front is when he was hit, you can see it for your self on the Zappruder film. That took about an extra second and a half, so those were two different shots from 2 different guns because Oswald could not have reloaded and aimed and shot in a second and a half. So now we have at least 2 shooters and more than likely 3 or 4, because Oswald's best shot was before Elm Street. That is probably why the Zappruder film was not shown to the public until 1975. If you want a good web just log into ( JFK Murder solved. Com). And let me know how you did.
@@gargould7186 Two shooters? Show me some ballistic evidence. Oswald's best shot is before Elm? Sure let's hang out the window and expose our position to the world. You obviously have zero experience with fire arms. For Oswald to acquire a target at that angle is virtually impossible give the short block of the turn on Huston Street... And *Zapruder* is spelled with only one *g.*
Ruth Paine has a connection with de Mohrenschilt ; that specks volumes!. People do your research!. Ruth plays her part well!
Enlighten us. Where and how did she work for the CIA?
You know, if you could spell simple words correctly we might take you more seriously.
Kieran
I know. It’s funny how you can never get a conspiracy theorist to elaborate beyond the simple point they blather out in conversation. It’s like they don’t want to even discuss the crazy claims they make!
She's still very sharp!
Watch from 15:25 for about a minute - seems like he somehow caught her off guard - almost as if she wanted the conversation to go a different way ?..... She seems flustered and "off-script" - perhaps she is lying ? He asked her about arrangements for Oswald visiting "with the family" - she seems confused about this but definitely wants to talk about how he got the job at the TSBD - she helped plant him there, so the patsy could complete his sheep-dipping. And at 16:15 we're back in the room and back to the "official" story.....
Great catch!
I found it macabre when Payne said " I'm glad he got killed", as if that's enough or justice: when it's well known he may have been part of a gallery of gunmen. What about his account of what happened in
court or having a defence lawyer? Very judgemental.
It's never dull, reading the comment threads on anything related to JFK's death. So many experts analyzing Ms. Paine's eye movements, facial tics, etc., etc.... All this collective genius and nothing to show for it. Must be frustrating to chase your tails for fifty years and catch nothing.
It is the conspiracy nonsense that ends up debunked that gets conspirators off the hook. Whether in a court of law or in the court of public opinion, the introduction of fabricated evidence will lose your case... As for me, I don't see myself as a conspiracy theorist, but as a conspiracy analyst, and I do see evidence of a broader conspiracy beyond the abilities of Oswald... It only takes the involvement of two or more people to make something a conspiracy. It's not like literally everybody has to be in on it.
@@jade59230 And I don't see a stitch of evidence that anyone else was "in on it." These conspirators were so inept that their conspiracy was 'known' from the beginning, yet in fifty-plus years not one ounce of definitive proof as to identity, means, etc..? So they're so clumsy they couldn't disguise the conspiracy, yet so clever they managed to avoid detection? Good grief... Add to that their choice of stooge, a depressed douche bag who couldn't launch the escape without killing a cop; good choice, by geniuses so good at choice-making that, again, their jig was up almost the moment it happened, yet here they still are, free from justice half a century later. (And let me guess.. they were all MURDERED by the deep state!! To keep them all quiet...!!!!)
Every conspiracy theory is so ludicrous and half-baked that it requires a real desire to live in paranoia. Instead, try not allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Was the investigation perfect? No, but few are. Prosecutors and investigators, whether at the local or the federal level, are human, and they rush things, make mistakes, miss things, have gaps in their analysis, whatever. (Unlike conspiracy peddlers, who are so far from good that their 'analysis' long ago stopped being worth the price of the books they publish.)
I give the conspiracy angle--whatever it was and however it possible could have been pulled off--a 1% chance of being legitimate. Show me irrefutable evidence of other men, in exact places, doing exact things, at exact times, with no room for variation or interpretation, and then we can talk. I'm sure you're a sincere person, but almost six decades of this nonsense is well more than enough.
@@wolfwilliams The Warren Commission Report concluded that Oswald was the lone gunman or actor. Would you agree then that Oswald was extremely lucky as a lunatic? Did he win the lunatic lottery?.. My problem with the lone gunman theory is that the target was brought to Oswald. It really does look like Kennedy was delivered straight to his assassin on purpose... Oswald was in a fixed position for 30 days before he could have known what the exact motorcade route would be, and yet he was in the perfect position far in advance. Then Kennedy was brought right to him... Only a few people in Washington could have known what the exact motorcade route would be a month in advance... If the Kennedy assassination was not an inside job, then what happened is an evil miracle... Can you think of a similar event that took place?.. Off the top of my head, I am thinking about how Robert Kennedy and Sirhan Sirhan ended up in the same place at the same time with a deadly result... Maybe most assassinations look like a conspiracy when it was just an crime of opportunity. Someone who is very troubled or offended is in the perfect position by fate alone, they see that, and they act out on their own. Inspired by the opportunity they have... Then when people look around, and see how the victim's enemies benefited, they suspect a conspiracy... I can look at this multiple ways, and understand where other people are coming from.
@@jade59230 In a random universe, there is no need for a mathematical explanation of every event. A few weeks ago a woman was walking in Manhattan and a piece of a building fell off and crushed her. It just so happens that she was a prominent Manhattan real estate broker. What are the odds that a prominent Manhattan real estate broker would be walking past the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time to be killed by a falling piece of Manhattan real estate, a manner of death that occurs so rarely as to be akin to a lightning strike? Answer: Who gives a shit what the odds are? Math has its uses, but one of them is not to help explain the inexplicable coincidences that occur all over the world every day. Not every oddity has to be explained to the satisfaction of every incredulous bystander. Shit. Happens. The JFK motor route was published a few days prior to Nov. 22, and maybe LHO saw it and seized his moment. Does it require more complexity than that? If you're a naturally suspicious type, then maybe it does. The Zodiac killer got away with killing Paul Stein because some SFPD dispatcher made a mistake and said the killer was black, and two SFPD officers drove by a white guy leaving the crime scene and never questioned him. Zodiac laughed at the cops in one of his later letters, saying they spoke to him and let him go. Do we need math to explain why this one time a dispatcher got a description wrong, or a conspiracy theory that tries to explain an SFPD murder cover-up? Or did something unfortunate just happen to happen at exactly the most inopportune time?
@@wolfwilliams Did that piece of building receive any advance press involving foreign intrigue? Did the death of the real estate broker result in any domestic or foreign policy changes?.. Maybe I've seen too many episodes of Columbo... I want to see a couple made for UA-cam movies. One titled: Columbo Investigates the Kennedy Assassination, and the other titled, Columbo Investigates 9/11... What would you consider smoking gun evidence? What would you consider too much to be believed? What would make you incredulous about the establishment narrative about any story? What is your pass or fail test when you watch the news?.. I draw the line at plausibility. Anything may be possible, but not just anything is probable... Could O.J. Simpson be innocent? Possibly, but it's not plausible... In a court of law, jurors are supposed to decide what is probable, not merely possible. I think that's reasonable, as in reasonable doubt or reasonable suspicion... Was the O.J. jury verdict split along racial lines? Is the JFK verdict split along political lines?.. That's how it looks to me... I think we can both agree about this much. Neither one of us likes conspiracy nonsense. Like the debunked magic bullet myth, and multiple shooters. We both agree that in all likelihood, Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President Kennedy... Even when I was in my teens I saw major consciousness of guilt on the part of Oswald. He was the only one who fled the scene of the crime, and he was so desperate to get away, that he murdered a police officer, then tried to hide in a movie theater. In the police station? he was very sheepish or passive for a man who was under suspicion for murdering an American president... If you or I were falsely accused of such a thing, we would be enraged and beating up the police, not the other way around. Innocent suspects act one way, they're very offended and angry, while guilty suspects keep their cool. Innocent people don't try to get away, while guilty people usually do... I've never been on the Oswald as innocent patsy bandwagon... HE DID IT. My only question is whether or not he acted alone? I still don't believe that it's plausible that he acted alone, or that he was just extremely lucky. Or that Kennedy's enemies were extremely lucky. That Oswald was not associated with any Kennedy hating Republicans or Kennedy hating Democrats. That was extremely convenient for Kennedy's enemies. Oswald being the killer was and is just too perfect.
She said Oswald didn’t like Russia because he couldn’t own a gun there, yet she had no clue that he did own a gun. Unlikely.
Oswald didn't care for the job the Soviets gave him, it was boring and repetitive. He also said there was nothing to do in Russia, not even a bowling alley or any other kind of recreational things to do.
What?
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She's 87 years old here.. 89 now... Absolutely incredible
Thanks for the info. I was wondering just that as I was watching. She’s still living now (asking since your comment was from a few months ago)?
@@lisasharf1442 she appears to still be alive today
Dear Ole Ruth is reading her script!.
I agree with you she is incredible, just not credible.
@jerryNOFACTS - how long did ya ride the DEMOCRATMINDREADING DONKEY
She was "glad" Oswald was shot? One takes this to mean that within only two days after the assassination that she KNEW he was guilty. While not one to suspect her honesty, I think there seems to be reasonable grounds to question the quality of her judgment; at the same time raising the question of whether or not she was coached and manipulated by others. After all, what would have been wrong for her to say she simply did not know what actually happened; instead of, as turned out to be the case, of jumping on the WC band wagon? That is, how could she say she really knew Oswald was guilty? Based on her own experience with him or the WC?
She and her husband talked after the murder of JFK and Michael said we know who is really responsible for this. How did that get swept under the rug? I bet she was extremely pleased once Oswald was dead and no further inquiry would be made about possible accomplices... like the person who got Oswald the job... oh yeah, she did that.
She knew he was guilty the day of the assassination when the police showed up and asked if he owned a rifle. She said no, but Marina corrected her and said there was a rifle in the garage. When they went out to the garage and picked up the blanket the rifle was stored in, it went limp in their arms. That's when she knew he was guilty. She already knew from television news reports that the president was shot from the building where Oswald worked.
That was odd. I expected her to walk that back but she didn't. Ruth is glad Lee is shot dead while in the arms of the Dallas police? Before he had a trial? With many questions left unanswered? Her hatred of LHO must greater than she is letting on.
Very connected to cia types and they all want a commie to take the rap.
@@charlesrobbins2208 For a Quaker, it's strange that Ruth P. was glad that LHO was shot.
The "singer" she referred to as introducing Oswald to her was George de Mohrenschildt.
De Mohrenschildt was an accomplished man. Did not know he was a singer, too.
You mean the same de Mohrenschildt who wrote CIA director Bush a letter asking for his help, during the beginning stages of the HSCA? The same de Mohrenschildt who died under highly suspicious circumstances the day HSCA investigator G. Fonzi came to interview him? Yes, I’ve heard wonderful things about his singing, hasn’t everyone?
You should have had her describe her political views in the interview to put her statements in context. She was a pro-Soviet Communist. Context matters. "So many things just happened" is what liars say. These things didn't just happen. People made them happen. It's not credible that she had no idea Oswald intended to assassinate Kennedy. He had to have made anti-Kennedy statements. She had to have known he had a long-range rifle, purchased March 12, 1963. While Marina was hanging diapers to dry in the backyard one Sunday between March 12, 1963, and April 24, 1963, Oswald had Marina take his picture with the rifle he used. Politically active Paine described the trivia of his life, not his relevant statements and political views. It's telling that Paine dumped Marina when she was done with her. Her rationale is not credible; that would be a bonding experience for a friend. I recommend viewers do more fulsome research.
@TermsofService -Except there is not one chance in a million Oswald Acted Alone. The Autopsy and Parkland witnesses make that clear.
@TermsofService JFKs body is the evidence. The doctors at Parkland said the bullet came from the front! Its physics pure & simple. Ruby walks right into guarded police headquarters WITH A GUN, to get close enough to murder the one suspect? JFKs brain goes missing, all Secret service notes disappeared..finally people saw gun smoke from the grassy knoll which is why they all ran there first! Believe your eyes.
@TermsofService ..the doctor in the room said he looked directly at the head wound which told them the back of his brain was falling out which, PHYSICS tell us, that he was hit from the front! Also, the Dallas autopsy guy was one of the best in the country, yet Secret Service was absolutely not! Open your eyes! It's not rocket science at all, but it is certainly a CONSPIRACY!
@TermsofService There IS EVIDENCE, you just choose to ignore the power, the motive and the money. JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA, end the war, deport the mafia! Do you actually think the most powerful men in the world would roll over & allow that? No! LJB would've never been potus if JFK wasn't assassinated. The money flow from the Vietnam war and the money flowing to the mafia...is much too substantial to let JFK end it all. The military industrial complex, LBJ, mafia are the only ones to get JFK to Dallas, get him in an open car, have all the cops & secret service stand down that day...& then kill the only suspect to destroy evidence of the truth. Read!
@TermsofService ...if there were on assassin, why in the world all the secrets behind this murder? They've kept the docs sealed for 50 years! Why? because powerful people were involved...count the number of bodies of folks who gave a slither of truth, they were all killed! Today, men are still afraid to really say names! Again, if just a murder why on earth conceal hide or destroy everything? Makes zero sense! Wake up!
Thanks for another interesting presentation.
@YouthfulSage I still appreciate their making this interviews available. I take no position on what really happened, and I read between the lines where I think reading between the lines is warranted. I tend to see Ruth Paine as someone who was sympathetic to Mrs. Oswald because she saw Oswald as a poor husband. That's going to make her see him in the worst light. I know hers is a slanted view, but I have a more well-rounded view of the situation from having listened to what she had to say.
If the F.B.I. was closely watching Lee Oswald. Was it just a coincidence that President Kennedy drove by the Texas School Book Depository where Lee Oswald worked?
Yes. Also, the FBI were not watching him *that* closely.
Yes it was
The FBI lost track of him when he fled New Orleans almost literally in the middle of the night. How wwere they supposed to track him, with futuristic tracking devices that weren't invented then? They only finally found him days before the assassination. They had no reason to frantically chase him as an iminent threat compared to any other person. That's post-hoc, hindsight bias. Kennedy, O'Donnell and his advisors chose the route. I guess his closest friends and advisors all wanted him killed hey?
Yeah, a great honor talking to one of a family full of CIA employees. A woman who presented evidence against L. H. Oswald, lots of it, funny thing is it came after her house had been searched twice by the police. Yeah, that happens a lot right?
Ask her about the possibility that she and her husband posed as the Oswald's shortly before the assassination. She spoke Russian, her husband looked very much like Oswald, and the couple had been seen while Oswald was known to be working.
She helped get Oswald the job in the tsbd. That was quite a lucky place for someone to find a job where he could shoot the president from.
Ask her about her sister working for CIA. Her father too. Her husband was heard saying to her that they knew who really killed Kennedy. Michael worked for Belll helicopter, a huge beneficiary of the war contracts.
I'd argue with my wife if she spent her time living with a person who so obviously was striving to drive a wedge between him and his wife. Ask her if her relationship with Marina was ever physical. You know, as lovers. For not really knowing Marina, she went way beyond what even a close friend would have done. Like driving her back to Dallas from New Orleans? Who would do that? She spent the time, the gas money as well as providing rent free lodging in her home. Intelligence asset is written all over this woman.
Charles, you are correct. I believe the Paines were Lee's handlers.
Charles, unlike *Adrian,* I'm sure you can provide some type of references to the accusations you have commented on, yes?
@@TheListOf I am with yourself and Charles. Sidebar I'm glad the house is preserved with a tour.
@@robw3027
Me, too. I would like to make it to Dallas one day and Irvin.
@@irvingr.fatback886 Oh, look! Another paid JTRIG troll!
Just a whole lot of coincidence with Ruth !
Yeah, with everyone, nutter.
Don't know this full story but my gut keeps telling me this lady isn't 100% truthful
She does seem like a good soul and following her Quaker sensibility of offering to help those in need. The only thing that makes me a little questioning is her story about involvement in Nicaraguan affairs back then. Kind of puts up a red flag if you will.
You shouldn’t listen to your gut
Unbelievable statement on your part to make such an assumption, this lady was over 70 when she did this interview and through the years she's been constant about everything. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups!!
I tend to agree, her and her husband were friends with Allen Dulles, does she mention that? No……
She was a CIA plant she also would send love letters to Oswald's wife Marina. Her father was in the CIA and had 2 other family members in the CIA. She tried coaxing Marina to give her information with acting like she was in love with her because Marina was a kgb agent.
I say your gut is right
George de Mohrenschildte got Oswald the job at the Texas Book Depository. The friend that introduced her was actually George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA asset.
Her husband, Michael Paine, found employment as a research engineer with the Bell Helicopter Company, whereas Ruth was employed as a part-time teacher of the Russian language at St. Marks School in Dallas.
In 1963 Michael Paine left the family home. According to the author Jim Bishop (The Day Kennedy Was Shot), it was a "friendly estrangement". Ruth continued to live in Irving and at a party in February, 1963 she was introduced to Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald by George De Mohrenschildt. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Ruth Paine. Lee Harvey Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas School Book Depository.
Buddy Walthers took part in the search of the home of Ruth Paine. Walthers told Eric Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." James DiEugenio has argued that this "cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism."
Ruth Paine was a key witnesses for the Warren Commission and provided detailed information on the activities of Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswaldbefore the assassination. Jim Garrison later suggested that Ruth Paine might have been involved in setting Oswald up as the "patsy". Garrison points out that Paine's father " had been employed by the Agency for International Development, regarded by many as a source of cover for the C.I.A. Her brother-in-law was employed by the same agency in the Washington, D.C. area." He also claims that he had tried to "examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret.... What was so special about this particular family that made the federal government so protective of it?"
Mr. Ted Schurman, advised me that Michael Paine was employed by Bell Helicopter as a research engineer and he held a security clearance. Bell Helicopter had a vested interest in the ongoing war in Vietnam where there Huey Helicopter were in service. It was in Bell's financial interest to have Kennedy eliminated because of Kennedy's plan to withdraw all US personnel by the end of 1965 (See: NSAM 263)
Bell helicopter was verging on bankruptcy on Nov 22, 1963.
Morenshieldt was not an cia asset because you were interviewed once doesn't mean you were an asset
@@randyharris3175 *We all know you are a paid shill Randy, so just stop.*
@@williamwhitten7820 Nope William you're wrong just know the facts.
@@randyharris3175 *Get lost Harris*
36:42 "I've lost it"....hey, not bad for 87! Regarding the gun, Ruth says she didn't know about it, but Marina did. That means that Marina as well as Ozzy was concealing it from her. Which makes Marina complicit, especially as she was aware of Ozzy's attempt on Walker. Ruth was just an unwitting enabler; again not complicit, but it could not have happened without her. This may be part of the reason Marina later said she thought Ruth was complicit; i.e. it was easier for her to believe the conspiracy cranks than to face reality that Ozzy acted alone, and maybe Marina felt guilt over her indirect complicity.
58:13 Ruth actually pinpoints exactly when Ozzy decided to do it: Thursday morning, the 21st. She concludes this because had he decided it earlier he would have taken his gun from his rooming house then instead of having to return there after the assassination...unless he forgot it. Actually my take is that he had it in his mind then, which is why he went to Irving that night, but it was his final argument with Marina Thursday night that put him of the edge and that's when he decided for sure. Because had he patched things up with her that night he probably would have aborted. But of course there was a historical inevitability to the event; it wasn't him in a sense it was history, and whatever infinite mysterious forces behind it.
1:01:30 Ozzy said that JFK "was the best President in his lifetime". This jibes with Bugliosi who said it wasn't personal; it was an act against the US and the highest office of the US.
Well said..
Marina was a KGB agent, just like Oswald. Sounds crazy at first, but it is actually the only logical explanation and everything makes sense from this perspective 🇺🇸
@@kxkxkxkx It still sounds crazy.
@@aaronz7056 most things to do with the KGB sounds crazy until you learn their history ...
@@kxkxkxkx Neither Marina nor Oswald were KGB agents, that's silly fiction.
She wrote the notes supposedly written by Oswald. Funny how the were found in her garage well after the fact.
Everything leads to Oswald ....... give it up
Go away troll
@@marysinger612 You have hidden evidence? Because words are facts, they're words unless their facts
Words aren't facts, unless they're proven to be factual. Ruth Paine is a very credible individual. She's never changed her stance on Oswald and she's never changed her story on the events that occurred during that time period.
@@ji5340 Nope everything most suspicious leads to LBJ,Mafia, and US Intelligence.
Very interesting and engaging interview. Thank you for sharing this on UA-cam.
Few things I took away from this.
▫️There were times where she was speaking about LHO quite fondly and almost had to remind herself he’s meant to be the ‘bad guy’.
▫️Given the tensions of the Cold War she seemed awfully at ease to house a Russian defector and his wife at her home and deal with the FBI like it was the milkman asking for money.
▫️The fact that not only JFK conspiracy researchers think she has CIA links but the Nicaraguans did too! 😂
▫️Her bemusement of Garrison’s chalk board describing the CIA training people in swamps which then drew laughter from the Ruth Paine fan club in the audience. I’d expect confusion to occur for her if Garrison had chalk board diagrams of the CIA training people how to play Twister; but given what we know about clandestine CIA involvement overseas I’m struggling to understand why training people in swamps drew the hilarity it did.
All in all, an entertaining interview but would I trust her - nope.
Right on. She plays innocent and being a loving person to Marina. Makes me wonder if she was on the CIA payroll at least to foot her grocery bills to feed the Oswalds. Most average people can not afford this even now.
Plus she does not have all the facts about how many sniper nest there were from grassy knoll, picket France area, and sewer line covers,
Lee actually was a very good person in his heart. He had to learn the hard way how wicked politics actually is and how they operate.
Karin, Lee was a nice guy? He hit his wife 🤔 Not to mention shot Kennedy
@@karinhopkins6158 Lee Oswald was a communist revolutionary fighter and KGB spy ☝️
He was recruited by the KGB in Japan and trained in Russia and given a KGB wife 🇺🇸
At 2:28 she is clearly lying. When the police arrived, it was Ruth Paine who immediately made the first statement: "come on in, we were expecting you.Just as soon as we heard where it happened, we figured someone would be out". At that point the police had made no reference to Oswald being 'associated with this tragic event'. (Report made by police officers Rose, Adamcik & Stovall). Also note that Paine at the time thought, according to her own testimony, Oswald worked in a different building, not the one on Elm Street.
So your conclusion is she was a conspirator or somehow involved? Utter nonsense. Cherrypicking a fragment from an interview given under extreme pressure is not conclusive evidence of anything. Taken as a whole, Ruth Paine's testimony, which she has given and repeated over the course of nearly 60 years, has remained consistent and one of the very few narratives that rings true. Moreover, it's her insight into the domestic life of the Oswald's that directs our attention to who Lee Harvey Oswald was and why he decided to assassinate Kennedy. It's hard for conspiracy nuts to accept but random tragic events do happen in the lives of ordinary people.
She didn't say please come in, she asked them if they had a warrant. She thought it was unwarranted. But the cop said they could easily get one so she relented. She also said Oswald didn't own a weapon when the police asked their next question. She said no (because Oswald kept them hidden during their moves and in the garage so she was unaware), but then Marina said he did and led the cops to the blanket in the garage. Ruth also said ever since that first day that Oswald didn't hate the Kennedy's and rather liked JFK. If she were in on a conspiracy as a plant, she could have lied and said, yes Lee hated JFK with a passion and wanted him dead, he told me so. That would have sunk him in any trial. She didn't take them to the rifle, she said he didn't own a weapon. If she were a plant she would have led them right away. Now these events she explains in her words and were her testimony. If she contradicted the cops or was shown to be lying she would have been charged with perjury. I guess I missed that news day...!!! She was not a perjured witness.
I totally dismissed all conspiracy theories years ago. Then I watched this interview. This articulate, well mannered woman had no business being with the likes of Lee Oswald in 1963. I find it odd.
65 TossPowerTrap
She's very unemotional and cold. And her finding the whole thing funny is very disturbing.
@@TheListOf She's crying when she's talking about it, so many years later. I don't understand why you find her cold?
65 TossPowerTrap SHES A SPOOK A CIA HANDLER.. & A PROFESSIONAL MANIPULATOR.. She Actually Slips & Starts to mention she was working for the state Department... QUAKER MY LILLY WHITE ASS.. & YEP SHE IN IT UP TO HER NECK.. fuckinlier
Adrian Messenger good point. Well she’s a CIA Handler .. none of this was coincidence I PROMISE
London Underground she keeps laughing
She arranged for Oswald to work at the Book Repository , amazing coincidence
In the real world she would serve jail time for assisting a terrorist
Yes, but that was weeks before the route Kennedy would take was known.
Not really. She said they were hiring. Oswald filled out and application and interviewed
No coincidence at all you don't listen good.
Not a coincidence. She works with the CIA.
Ask Ruth why her own daughter won’t speak to her
Not sure how this woman has avoided prison
Think again Einstein.
Ummm.... When you work for a certain government agency. 🤔 All she's had to do is keep to her story. Not hard.
@@jimmycricket5366 Very true 😂
@@captainkavern At least I’m not interviewing her like she’s some sort of innocent bystander 😂
I think the answer is obvious.
Also - why did she need to "learn the language" - seems like she translates pretty effectively for Marina from English into Russian already - just saying....
Her father was the stepson of the owner of Bell helicopters which stood to lose massively if Kennedy was re elected and pulled out of Vietnam. Her mother was a friend of Allen Dulles the one time CIA chief before Kennedy fired him. Her sister worked as a psychologist with the CIA and she met the Oswald's at one of George de Mohrenschild's parties. So yes not the goody two shoes Quaker she's cracked up to be.
@@stuartschneiderman8517 Jim DiEugenio has some very interesting stuff on this subject. Well worth checking that out. She certainly is not a goody two shoes and neither was her (estranged) husband ! I'm just reading DiEugenio's book "The Assassinations" - collected articles from the "Probe" journal he and Lisa Pease edited for years - a really great read...
She already knew Russian and had studied the language since '57, possibly even before Oswald did. She had trouble in conversational Russian, but that's not the same thing as an inability converse. It's not like being a trained interpreter in real-time back and forth. It means a lot of circumlocution. Furthermore, when you have someone--in this case Marina herself--as a live-in de facto tutor, progress in conversation can proceed at a very quick rate.
@@stuartschneiderman8517
There are a lot of underlying relationships that are obviously less than innocent. Whatever the scenerios at the time, Oswald was a pawn in the assassination of President Kennedy. The bottom line details are unknown because of the tangeled web of deceit surrounding the relationship between Oswald and the CIA.
Oswald's life was filled with peculiarity, and ambiguity, so it's not clear where the truth starts and stops. In order to lay blame on him for President Kennedy's assassination, the "power's that be" had to create situations and "evidence" that would point to him. No matter what was said or done back then, the President was killed, and Oswald was set up as the one who did it, and that's the bottom line. Then, there was the Jack Ruby connection, which also had a cloud of unclear relationships between him and the CIA. Then, there's the role of then Vice President Johnson, and his connection to President Kennedy's assassination.
For an outsider, looking in, the whole conspiracy was meant to confuse and keep people from knowing the truth.
During the end of the interview, 1:01:20, Ms. Paine was asked about Oswald's opinion of President Kennedy.
Oswald was a patsy, he didn't kill the President, OR "the office of the President".
Why did Oswald need to learn the language?
Her father was affiliated with CIA; her sister worked for CIA, her husband's mother (who she visited right before she picked up Marina) was best friends with Allen Dulles paramour, who also worked for CIA. Who does she think she is kidding?
Well let's say it's all coincidence, if so..it sure isn't with DeMohrenschildt who has links to Presidents, and powerful Oilmen and US Intelligence contacts. No lone nut has those type of connections, and especially Communists.
so Ruth Paine is actually a secret CIA asset? LOL you watch too much tv.
That doesn't mean she was an employee. Jesus you people just make unfounded assertions.Read my comments in preceding comments. Don't want to waste any more time on foolish thinking and theories
Intriguing woman, if there was a better interviewer this would have been a good interview. He missed the mark on this
Did she have a phone or not? First she's too poor for a phone, so they wrote letters. Then when Lee goes to louisianna, the wife can stay as she has a phone. Which is it?
Yes, wasn't sure if I missed something or she meant The Oswalds.
The Oswalds didn't have a phone. Ruth had a phone.
She was referring to Marina.
"When the authorities came to her house with a search warrant, Mrs. Paine did what every red blooded American housewife would have done, she went shopping while the cops rooted through her garage and bedroom.
If Mrs. Paine was subjected to the same justice that the Military Tribunal dished out to those who assisted John W. Booth in his flight from Ford’s Theater after shooting President Lincoln, she would have been hanged whether she was part of the conspiracy or not. Indeed, as Philadelphia attorney Vincent Salandria has said, if there was true justice in this case, Ruth and Michael Paine would be indicted rather than treated as victims, and truth, if not justice, will be better served?. - Thomas Mallon’s “Mrs. Paine’s Garage.”
Here is the root of the conspiracy = Ruth was taught Russain by LILLIAN ZAPRUDER those 2 knew each other and what lead me this way was that Mrs. Sitzman walked back to the Pergola and made sure that Erwin and Robert got away. Then I saw a video on YT of Zaps Gran daughter Alex doing a promo for 26 seconds in Dallas and she did what Abe said not to do ---- She showed the first part of the Zap film of them at home ---- Lillian Zapruder is the Babushka Lady. Zap was not just a nice loving dad He was involved with the Jewish Bingo Society. Jade do you see that they kept calling the rifle a Mauser until Buddy got back from Ruths Garage. What Roger Craig saw was a 1891 Argentine 7.65 Mauser sports mod. to a 30-06. They had them at the nearby gun shop in a garbage can with a sign 25 bucks. Now look that rifle up on Google Images.
Or maybe it's that her story (just like everyone else's story that day, once fact is separated from fiction) does not fit your conspiracy narrative, so you have to twist everything around to make it. Ruth's involved, Marina's involved, the Dallas police, the CIA, LBJ, the mafia, your own mama. Do you realize how deranged you sound? I don't personally care if you want to be a conspiracy nut, but when your fantasies involve impugning someone's good name it becomes a problem. You should have compassion for this woman, who obviously had no involvement and clearly still lives so much with this tragedy, rather than hurling baseless insinuations and vagaries. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is a case of Mrs. Payne re-writing her history of this period in her life to divert interest away from all the suspicious activities in which she was involved. Mrs. Payne was a radical and an active member of the Russian community in Dallas. Ask yourself why she had an urge to study Russian. As a whim? There are so much more interesting facts concerning this lady; facts fleshed out in many books and the Commission Report but rarely discussed. She knows much more than she wants to say. Look up George de Mohrenschildt, very big in the Russian community, and read about his connections to Lee and you'll discover that he felt very highly of Mrs. Payne. You don't get to critcize those who disagree with the assassination narative unless you're read and understand facts abou George de Mohrenschildt and other key players in this history changing event. Roger Craig's story of what happened that day in Dallas is one that is hard to sweep under the rug. Was there a conspiracy? I can't say for sure but many strange things happened that day in Dallas. Conveniently, the person who knew the most was assassinated two days later.
@@timjbolchoz What takes the cookie is what is Ruth doing wearing a trench coat and a scarf walking up the steps and then she exits up Main st. Lillian Zap is the babushka lady and exits up Elm. Some one has been trying to tell me that this stuff does not matter? Both of these two are involved ? How can anyone explain away clear photos of them. I have no proof but maybe Tippit was the officer who responded to the call on the 20th of two men pointing guns at cars on Elm. If so he had to go because he could identify Warren Caster! P.S. Ruby knew Erwin Schwartz , that is how he came across Beverly Oliver . Photos paints a thousand words. When you see all of the people running up the steps they are going into the Pergola not behind the wooden fence. The worst cop there was Buddy Walthers = one man army he found Ozwarts wallet 3 times.
@@timjbolchoz That's right! And notice she's wearing a pink shirt beneath a black blouse...obviously a secret signal to Deep State operatives to begin the next wave of infiltration, and perhaps another assassination. You and me, Sean, we get it! It's all so clear, man.
If you think Payne is Strange, read up on George de Mohrenschildt as Jim Garrison said he called the people around Oswald his handlers, always knowing what he's doing keeping tabs on him.
Garrison was a shill and a disgusting foul person.
I'd recommend Jim Garrison's 1967 Playboy interview. It's an excellent read, his book On The Trail of the Assassins I also recommend.
@@rustyshackelford9156 ---Exactly!
superchitownhustler Was a complete nut job Garrison .
@@rustyshackelford9156 Garrison was a fraud, a demonstrable liar and notorious in his time as a complete disgrace to his profession.
28:35 - it wasn’t an alias if they knew his name was Oswald and that he wasn’t there when she rang🤷♂️
You’re talking about Oswald’s apartment? He was living there under the name O.H.Lee. That’s how they knew him, and how he signed anything there.
@@lisasharf1442i see -THANKS👍
I always thought she was dirty in this deal
Based on what rumors?
@@randyharris3175 how many people even today study Russian. she was friends with george de Mohrenschildt, she got Oswald his job. the rambler roger kreig said he saw Oswald get into. "that's mrs pain. don't bring her into this". she is just to close to everything
@@saralee9091 she explained why she studied Russian she explained why she called to get Oswald his job because of Marina we know Roger Craig was a.compulsive liar we know Oswald did not get in her station wagon he had a bus transfer in his pocket and they talked to the cab driver who dropped him off on Beckley
@sara lee excellent points you make! Anyone who has studied this event with an open mind can see that things don’t add up. The very fact that she was a blue blood yankee from up north, living in Jim Crow south, with connections to us intelligence, via her sister Sylvia in Falls Church, VA, and the Demohrenschildts, coupled with the fact she was learning Russian in a time where that was extremely uncommon, was visited by Col. JD Wilmuth who showed up at her door PRIOR to the Assassination to speak with Marina, the fact that she was later involved with PRO NICA in Nicaragua. She is ANYTHING but Susie Homemaker. Also her husbands connections/background alone are shady. The list goes on. But I’m sure it’s alllllll just a coincidence right? GTFOH!!!!
What we see on threads like this are sheeple. They are the aspirin popping, newspaper reading, flu shot taking, saps that have always been around! Conventional thinking is a virtue to them. ‘ Don’t ask questions and the authorities are there to help us...” 🙄
@@FightingRimbaud yea yea yea all that stuff you say is interesting no doubt only one problem its all bullshit
She seems very credible and down to earth. But I still have my doubts....
Lee and Marina Oswald had met Ruth Paine in February 1963 at a party in Dallas to which George de Mohrenschildt and his wife had brought them. I found that Ruth Paine was the wife of Michael Paine, an engineering designer who did highly classified work for Bell Helicopter, a major Defense Department contractor.
As a routine matter, I wanted to examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret. In addition to the Paines' income tax reports, Commission documents 212, relating to Ruth Paine, and 218, relating to Michael Paine, also had been classified as secret on grounds of national security.
@@saukrates420 People's tax records are not public domain property.
@@aaronz7056really? That doesnt seem to be the case nowadays.
@@janetphillips2875 You'[re the same person who literally just asked me under another thread, "How old are you? You must be ten feet tall and bulletproof. I'm 58. How old are you?"... and then clammed up when I asked you what the heck has that got to do with anything...
that doesn't make you a CIA agent. Jesus. Absolutely no evidence Paine's were CIA. Conspiracy suspicion - that's all they've got
Rruth is a lee oswald framer horroble woman
How did she do that?
You never leave the agency. Case and point.
Interesting that she traveled down to Nicaragua many years after the assassination to be involved with the PRONICA movement. She’s not your average bear.
Some say she was CIA but ever since the assassination she sure has appeared in public and given speeches and interviews like this one, all of which goes against her being in the CIA.
They got very suspicious of her down there with her note taking and constant questions. She was cia, like lots of her family members
@@johnthomas3090 But then why is she so public about interviews and telling her story? There are so many long interviews with her on YT and it seems she speaks to a lot of groups.
@@FreddySherman cia misinformation
Keep the waters muddy
Tippit was killed with a different gun than the one Oswald had
not true. Read Dale Myers massive book 'With Malice'. The most detailed breakdown of the Tippit murder by Oswald. Honestly, it's almost as big and detailed as Bugliosi's 2,500 page book on the entire assassination. Pretty impressive. The pistol had been rebored and two shells weren't scored with the telltale striations of the barrel, but he had different bullets and the two that fit perfectly well left undeniable barrel marks that tied it directly to the gun was carrying when he was arrested. Also, why the hell would Pswald pull the trigger on the arresting officers in the theatre if he was innocent? If he was innocent and was approached by police, would the reasonable response be "what the heck is going on, how can I help you"?...not "eat lead copp-er." (actually he said "it's all over")
INTERESTING THAT OL RUTH STATES THAT LEE REALLY LIKED WATCHING TELEVISION!...WHILE THE LADY THAT OWNED THE ROOMING HOUSE WHERE LEE STAYED AT IN OAK CLIFF STATED THAT LEE VERY SELDOM WATCHED T.V. AT HER PLACE!...AND FOR THE MOST PART STAYED IN HIS SMALL ROOM READING!
How what George Washington said in his farewell address is dismissed so easily as naïve and that the USofA has had to be proactive in our defense is utter nonsense in the face of making the population think that we have to believe that national interests is justification for secrets. It is madness that now we have given up liberties that the gov’t first claimed we were fighting foreigners to protect those freedoms. Why have the people never questioned US selling weapons to kings? How were the people so quick to believe that it’s right to fight against a countries desire to be free of European colonialism. It is no different in fighting for ones right to say what he feels or believes even when you are certain he is wrong you must still fight for his right to say it. But we continue to give the gov’t a practical blank check to continue with their secrets. When at the very least the people should be starting to understand that a country that has secrets cannot possibly govern by rule of law!
USA has become the most aggressive imperialist state in the world today,quite an irony after the treason,sedition and rebellion committed by the Founding Fathers , emigrants from England, against their king, George III.
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Around 17:00 I noticed her hesitating when asked one particular question. She seemed to not have a good reply without thinking about the question more. I do question some of the things she says. I'm leaning to believe she might have been a CIA handler of some kind. I'm 73 and have read lots about the assassination and watched many videos about it.
No, all in your silly imagination.
@@naysayer1238 As opposed to your silly WC report that excluded at least some 50 eye witness accounts because they didn't fit the WC narrative. Stfu.
He should have asked Ruth why the Secret Service did not want Marina Oswald to associate with her after the assassination? or why the FBI did not think the Walker note Ruth gave the FBI was real and returned it to her?
The CIA trained her well, she knows how to stick to the story
@@wallacebell4311 I hope u r not saying that to me !!!!
The CIA trained her well? And you know this how? 🤣🤣
@@radar0412 because it’s true! Do you ever read books?
@@Linda-pw8gx You're Deceitful. Now THAT'S TRUE!
@@radar0412 whatever dude get a life…..
Ms. Pain commented that she called the TSBD to inquire about getting a job for Lee and was told to have him come by and fill out application. However, in the interview with Buell Fraizer, he said he spoke directly to his supervisor and was told to have Lee come by and fill out an application. I guess both could have happened
@Std Disclaimer i didn't say there was a conspiracy, just noting that the two stories don't match.
You know Ruth’s ex-husband was in the CIA.
@@scottsimpson1143 STD is a disinformation agent
@Std Disclaimer you the fool if you believe his job was his only job. Most Cia have front jobs weirdo
@Std Disclaimer
Michael's father invented the helecopter.
He looked much like Oswald.
I'm sure the CIA would want to recruit him.
I didn't like him very well but I wasn't trying to hurt him. And later she said I'm glad he got shot. Charming person.
Yes, almost 60 years later she is still feeding the propaganda anti-Lee maschine by spewing verbalization of:” I am glad Ruby shot him ?” Wow, what a loving and kind lady. A real Quaker for sure. LOL !
If Ruth called the boarding house of Oswald asking “if Lee Oswald lives there and if it is the right number” and the answer was yes, then she is lying or knew that he rented the room under the name OH.Lee. Earlene Roberts confirmed that she only knew Oswald by that name. If Ruth knew this alias, then it raises question!
Ruth, why did you learn Russian at the height of the Cold War as a WASP quaker studying in Ohio? A program from the US Department of State you said? 😏 It is “funny” that the WC does not dig more info that topic in your testimonial, the longest of the Report.
YES FINALLY MY FAVORITEEEE VID!!!!
You leave the police in your house to go food shopping . You are feeding the police ! This is crazy . You were too involved with Marina . Why ? You were concerned that she did not know that things were being explained to her. Marina was not a baby she spoke some English
Marina was a KGB agent, just like her husband ☝️
She claimed to go shopping 3 or 4 days in a row including a Sunday which was not possible back then ,she's a liar
Her firast words to police were "do you have a warrant"!!!! She resisted the search initially, but police said they could get one. Is that the actions of a conspirator? It's all suspicion, no evidence she or Michael were involved. If Ruth was CIA why did she say Oswald didn't hate JFK to the WC or in the decades since...why did she say Oswald didn't own any weapons when the police arrived at their door on Nov 22? She could have buried Oswald by saying that he told her he hated JFK and wanted him dead or leading the police straight to the garage. She didn't. It was Marina that then said yes, he had weapons because Oswald had been dry-firing the rifle all summer on their porch and he had admitted that he had taken a shot at Walker. Suspicious conspiracy minds, and with post-hoc hindsight bias and motivated by political ideology, they try to make connections by pretzel logic
I could listen to this lady for hours.
Something is wrong with you.
Had she a phone or not? At the start she has no phone and after 10 minutes she has one
Idiot
@@gerardoleary9606 scripts can be hard to memorize.
im not much to look at myself but wow. this should have happened in cleveland or somewhere. it is difficult to listen to and look at these folk. ruth and her neighbor buell are my worst persons to have to look at and hear their antagonizing voices. holy moly. ruth is nearly impossible to listen to. really her face and teeth are explicit content they warn you of.
A good witness has been defined as someone who tells the TRUTH about what they KNOW. Thank you, Ruth Paine, for doing exactly that.
Did she ever explain how she was harboring he murder weapon before the assassination , and how did Oswald bring it over into her home or stored in her garage , when Lee did not drive ever and had always been witnessed empty handed when he would catch a ride over for the weekend with a coworker who lived down the street. and why was it so necessary for Lee to break his normal routine of Friday the only day afterwork he would ride HOME with a coworker in Irving to stay with Marina to - a first EVER - Thursday NOV 21st AFTER work ride home to irving . where he collected the rifle at ms. paines and for the first time ever rode along TO work with his coworker FRIDAY morning when he is supposedly seen with a package he is taking in to work , that he claims to be curtain rods. But he went to his boarding home after the shooting to grab his other gun , the pistol , that he was arrested with at the theatre?
@@moprimo2389 Ruth actually moved the Oswalds from New Orleans. She talked them into it. She had been asking them for months, even writing letters and sung by from her long traveling vacation to pick up Marina. Why was this so important to her? Then talking with Lee, he was going to Houston or Philadelphia for a job. The gun must have been in her packed car, she then called her husband Michael, who came over every weekend, to help unload the station wagon. So i dont see how she didnt know about the gun. Ruth lied to the state saying Marina lived in Dallas continuously for a year, to get state aid and the new baby's birth paid for by the state. She committed fraud. I know they were pretty well off and took care of all Marina's needs. Fed them, diapers, housed and cared for them. Oswald was a dishonorable Marine that defected his country and that is who she chooses to help?
@@shernitadee Good to hear a response from a real thoughtful person. I recently watched some more first person accounts related to November 22nd in Dallas , and I have solidified my opinion on Ms Paine even more. Such as Wesley Frasier the young man that drove LEE to work the Friday of assignation , He was tracked down by 2:30pm while visiting the hospital to visit his stepdad on his way home after work was dismissed early after the assignation. 2 detectives arrested him at the hospital before 3:00pm and this was before the Dallas police even confirmed who they had in there custody ,
Lee Harvey - or Alex Hidell. and he was kept till past midnight almost 12 hours , being interigated over and over again by different detectives of Dallas police before they finally understood that this was just a young 18-19 year old boy that had no involvement in anything. Which makes me wonder , why in the world was Ms Paine given a pass so quickly by investigators, and then for her to be the source for the pictures of Lee with the Gun , and years later the note of Lee confessing to Marina about the shooting of Gen Walker earlier in 1963. All that put aside, the most striking detail that convinces me of Ms Paines involvement, was included in this interview on this night at the museum. When Steven @51:01 brings up her interview in 1964 and her response to how she felt witnessing Lee get shot and killed on live TV by Jack Ruby . She said "Relieved" and "Glad" , and this is right after the segment of the interview when she expresses her deep concern for Marina and the kids after they went their separate ways. Only a Co-Conspirator or someone in risk of being exposed would be "relieved " when Lee was shot and killed, A friend of the family or friend of Marina or people who knew that LEE had children or any good American Should have wanted to see Lee stand trial and for Justice to be administered correctly and according to the law . But Ms Paine was relieved all that was thrown out the window that Sunday when Lee was killed.
Finally a rational comment. Totally agree. A decent lady
Oswald's brother disliked the Paines from the moment he met them and believed that they were directly involved in the assassination.
When did he say that?
Of course the murderer’s family thinks he’s innocent 🤦🏾♀️
Where did you see that Robert Oswald said that?
Spooky lady with many secrets !
Edward, absolutely!!!!!!!
She's a Liberal so you know she's a liar.
She was a part of it with her left wing leanings.
Bullshit
Not really. Not in the least in fact is History's understanding. Anyhow this will be and still remains the most watched event in Human History. "Quite the out-ing for this thing called Television." Her thoughts on that would be of course most interesting absolutely.
“A conversation with an older generation of CIA.”
Went to the 6th Floor museum today. Sobering. I commend the museum for telling the story without exploiting the gory details.
Just that their story isn't proven in fact with all that's known of Nov.22 63 it's a wonder they are still in business...bc nothing even happened in that building
@@wallacebell4311 lol...your facts are falsified testimonies...lie from a preconceived narrative in a memo handed to the WC that they had to find Oswald as the lone nut..before they got started...and you are dead wrong about they WC has been proven over and over as a non investigation commission...I will gladly debate with you...
Why did the commission bury
the 301 reports of Buell Westley Frazier and TSBD building foreman Jack Daughtry?...and do you even know what they are?....nope....
Researchers are light years ahead and well beyond the old Warren Commission lies..you need to get up to speed pal...
Reading the WC which you haven't and I have bc I do research...you will find the 26 volumes of testimony contradicts the Report itself...
I challenge you to read it
Ruth Paine. Hiding in plain view.
100%. Nobody can talk longer and say less than Ruth pain as you say hiding in plain view and I’m writing this before listening and watching this entire interview, but something tells me this guy’s not gonna be the one to pressure in anyway.
"troutaholic8834." Raving loony.
@@naysayer1238 Deep State always discredits folks as nuts that speak the truth. From unidentified flying objects to CIA sponsored Coups. Speaking truth gets you labeled. First they ignore you , thinking you will just go away with all of life’s burdens everyday. The more you speak out they go to phase two and label you a nut.
She's a professional liar, this lady was a CIA intelligence officer as well as her husband and others in her family. Do your research
According to who?
“Do your research”. Too bad she doesn’t sue your ass for slander.
Stephen Fagin, what an excellent job you did there as there were some difficult and sensitive moments especially when talking over the day of the assassination itself.
Do you think kind, generous, Quaker Ruth Paine is all she says she is? Did she presume Oswald was innocent as was his right? Why did she tell the police she was expecting them if she didnt even know there was a rifle in the garage? Why didnt she help Oswald get Abt? She took the Oswalds from CIA connected George de Mohrenschildt and handed Marina off to CIA connected Priscilla Johnson. Ruth's dad and sister were both CIA so I suspect even she might be connected. Why doesnt the 6th floor museum allow someone else to ask the questions and point her down paths she might not want to go down?
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Remember nothing is ever suspicious to a Lone Nut Fanatic.
@@vernpascal1531 Lone nut believer is a coincidence theorist
@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Is this woman a patsy or a co-conspirator? She had soooo many CIA contacts. Practically her entire family.
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You are correct in that her father and her sister were both CIA and she just happened to be introduced to the Oswalds by George de Mohrenschildt, who just happened to be connected to the CIA. After LHO was murdered Marina Oswald was then taken under the wing of Priscilla Johnson and guess what? Johnson was also CIA connected. I find it impossible to believe that this is just mere coincidence and Ruth Paine was just totally innocent and uninvolved...hell, she even got Oswald the job at the TSBD and her first words when the police turned up at her house was that she had been expecting them....this was before Oswalds name had been released as being in custody.
I think there are 2 people that are still alive that no one really points a finger at as being liars.....Ruth Paine is one of them. The other is good old Buell Wesley Frazier.
Love this interview
Hanah Arendt, the "banality of evil." Pure evil. Take a real good look.
I can’t stand Ruth’s rediculous behavior of her same well memorized jovial , flippant attitude about FBI coming, police coming, how “”Lee” ( who by the way was prime suspect in having just murdered the US President who at that time was the well deserved President and a Dallas Police Officer ), and how enormously painful and devastating it was to all the rest of us . Her emotional and supposed tearful moments fluctuate with sarcasm and gleeful lies. I definitely think she is someone who is a liar and deceives . She is not an innocent and Oswald was not the only assasin. She was glad Oswald was murdered by Ruby( who was also part of the mess), because Oswald had screwed up somehow by panicking and shooting police officer . However she did feel he should have proper legal representation?? Hum Bug!!! It’s definitely not an honor to listen to her babbling on and on with her deceitfulness . !! Not for me, I was living at that time ... and it changed all our lives and not for the betterment of humankind what happened to Kennedy.
I totally agree. She seems flippant and almost giggly, as does the interviewer. So much so that it’s impossible to believe her “who, me?” story. He involvement was just too convenient.
You want real tears for events that place over 50 years ago? Come on! She has told her story so many times of course its by rote at this point.
@@r.c.miller6161 she was an American counterintelligence agent tracking two known KGB agents in the United States: Marina and Lee Oswald 🇺🇸
@@kxkxkxkx What proof is there of that?
@@finosuilleabhain7781 lots of proof everywhere, if you are moderately familiar with KGB illegal operations ☝️