BMW GS Urban vs Triumph Scrambler 1200XE feat. Motobob
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- MotoBob visits FT's Farm in Devon armed with a BMW GS Urban - mainly to get Fish'n Chips In Lynmouth harbour BUT also to take on Farmertorque's mighty (customised) Scrambler.
A suitable beverage IS compulsory with this one as you join Rob and Chris on a delightful ride over Exmoor to Lynmouth.
Will the GS prevail....Hugo referees...:)
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Here for the bikes, but
wow, spotted my grandparents old house, ‘Barle Combe’ at 24’15” !
Spent Childhood summer holidays there in the 1960s… idyllic
Dear farmer, that was such a wonderful mix of breathtaking landscapes, perspectives on two interesting bikes, lovely dogs, calm and peaceful mood, nice little village, blue sea and spring in the air. Thank you so much for sharing these experiences with the world and me. One fine day i‘m gonna hopp on my ktm 1090r or on my old bmw and need to see your beautiful hills and beaches on my own. Only thing which irritated me were the number of dead pheasants on the road (here in northern germany they are quite rare nowadays unfortunately) and (much more) the left out fish and chips. You have to speak with rob about priorities in life. 😊 sorry for my bad english. Take care and stay healthy!
Great thoughts to read, thank you indeed. Your English is good by the way 👍
Hope to move the channel with its playlist on in a similar way - I agree with you on the pheasants by the way. The best bits of the UK are epic - Cheers 🍻
@@FarmerTorque pheasants. I got that. 😊 cheers.🍻
Great video. I've contemplated the GS and other R Nine T versions many times in the past. Beautiful bikes and bullet proof engine etc, but cannot get passed the fact of no fuel indicator. I left the days of opening the filler cap and peering inside the tank back in the eighties!
They do have a fuel indicator.
Hi, great to see the Scrambler out and about again. Really missed your videos over the winter. The GS is no where near as pretty as your (and my) XE. Love the two photos up on Exmoor near the end. Keep up the good work, thanks.
Nice comment to read Chris, whilst the channel will be varied in topics I plan to have regular outings on the Scrambler - hope you enjoy 😊
Yes I agree with the ergonomics, I’m 6’2” and I have fitted a 20mm peg lowering kit, and 20mm bar risers to my urban gs and it’s has pretty much transformed the riding position to a much more comfortable bike.
Very good to hear Lawrence - standard was certainly too cramped for me too - thanks for watching 👍
Hi there! I have a r nine t scrambler but looking for a 1200 XE.
I have lowered my pegs with 20 mm and raised handle bar with about 60 mm. I also fitted a higher seat. So now the seating position is much better.
Really like the look and the things fitted on your Triumph.
Thanks for looking in Tobias, good luck finding an XE 😊
Interesting comparison, I have often wondered what those retro BMW's are like.
Nice and pleasant video. Excellent photography. Devine scenarios!
Hugo is beautifully elegant, like only perfect gentle giants can be.
Two scramblers but in true colors only the Triumph should be called like that. The urban GS is a road bike, mainly, dressed like a scrambler. Two very different bikes. Both excellent rewarding rides.
I’m not a fan of bikes modifying Increments, for me is acceptable very harmless changes like, different mirrors or better exhaust solutions. Nothing further.
I even like the Mickey Mouse mirrors on the Scrambler XE, so it makes every sense in the whole classic unique style of that beautiful machine.
The BMW, is a different animal. It looks like a scrambler but is made to be ridden as a roadster. The Triumph is a bike that suits perfectly a taller rider, and the BMW is perfect for a medium sized rider, otherwise, above 1,80 M of height will feel a little crumped riding the Urban GS.
Thank you for the nice and well done video. 👌🏻
Thanks very much indeed 😳
Good to see you back, biking on YT Farmer! You’re right about the GS Urban suspension. I have a 2020 model in the garage, I’ve gone for a 15mm suspension raise and Wilbers for the rear going on soon. Not sure on your pricing, my one was a bit under £11k, so we know its a bike built to a price, especially when comparing it to a proper GS 1250 with its Sachs suspension. For blatting around the lanes, the Urban GS is fun, torquey, quick, just great. But if you’ve just jumped off your GS, yes its lacking in the bouncy dept!!!
Hi Glenn, Good to be out (videoing) on a bike Sit 😊 really interesting playing with the urban back to back - as I suggested think it could be a great bike with some mods. It’s main problem for me is the Scrambler being as good as it is 🤔 Happy days
I owned both and sold both mostly because of their suspensions. Both bikes have amazing engines (though the BMW burned quite a bit of oil even new, 1L+/10000km and BMW dealer said under 4L of oil per 10000km was within acceptable specs!). BMW raised the price this year and its a really cool, fun bike, but just not worth what they are asking for it. You definately get more bike with the money with the Triumph.
All boxers burn oil till ran in ,about 15,000 miles , try learning about the bike before moaning
2 of my favourite ‘Tubers.
All we need is Ryan F9 and life is complete
Thanks for watching and kind words Adam 😊
I thought you meant Ryan's world...
Glad that you’re back on the ‘Tube Farmer, though I’ve enjoyed seeing your pics on Instagram in your absence. Not surprised to see the pheasant carcasses on the roads, it’s the same up here as a result of the 20/21 shooting season being curtailed by COVID restrictions. I suppose it doesn’t make much difference to them wether they’ve been killed by pellets or traffic, dead is dead no matter how it’s administered!
Still here Roger 😂😂😂 great to get your thoughts 👌
Let’s do some more vids ….😜
I had BMW scrambler R9T and I would agree with you that without the proper mods it's not going to compare to the triumph XE or XC even.
However I would suggest that the horsepower and torque of the BMW boxer motor is going to be greater than what we have on our triumph X e's 1200.
I have the Steve McQueen version and it is a 2020 22 I cannot compare it weight wise to anything else like an XE 1200 prior.
Hi Kenneth, So we’ve finally got the film to go with your bike 👍
I can only say how I felt jumping between the two and it’s important to remember mines far from standard and probably 15kilos lighter than a 21/22 model.
I know having compared with standard XE (19) that mine is punchier low to mid range - And noticeably easier to turn in
It would have to be a very smooth road indeed for the BMW to see which way mine had gone
I still like the BM just wish it hasn’t better dynamics 🙄
Cheers 🍻
Good to see you back, FT 👍
Great video, I like the laid back style of these.
Thank you Jacob, more to come 😊
I too found the riding position on the Urban GS too cramped.I had 40mm increased height added by means of Andreani fork cartridges at the front and the same increase at the back using an Ohlins shock.I also fitted higher handlebars,lowered the pegs and fitted a taller saddle.Most of the parts came from Unit Garage in Italy and were fitted by North Oxford Motorrad. It’s now suits me much better.
That sounds like an excellent combo of mods Robert - I have little doubt I’d like what you’ve done - does beg the question why BMW couldn’t work that out 😜👍
Lovely video Farmer, both great bikes, I've had long test rides on both of them, trying to make my mind up. As you said, the Triumph is comfier and better suspension...but that Boxer engine in the Urban is so addictive! And you can pick up a used Urban for sensible money and spend out on the Wilbers suspension etc and sort it. Your Triumph looks great and sounds great with that exhaust system! Cheers, Steve
Hi Steve, My exhaust is the key I think - without it I’d go for a custom GS.
But I have the exhaust and the thing is Sooo good to ride…..
The end of the vid at 20mph into Dulverton sums it up.
Stirs the soul 😊👌
Very good to hear your thoughts 👍
good to see you still know how to ride! Great to see some Bike Rides
Still here Jeff….still chatting 😊
Great video as always! So if we want the new model we have to make it euro4...and they discontinued this beautiful color, have a nice day!
That’s the long and short of it, yes 😔 Sorry ‘bout that ….you can always make me an offer 😂🤪🤣 Big thank you for watching 👍
@@FarmerTorque why not!!😂😂😂
I would rather have the Urban G/S. The weight is carried lower down. Beautiful area of England. I've been and my parents spent their honeymoon in Lynmouth in 1952.
I really like the GS but it’s really uncomfortable for your leg ergonomics I also thought the seat was narrow and quite hard , yeah I could get all sorts of add ones that might make it more agreeable , but Starting from that cramped starting point It was chasing the impossible , the only thing I disliked about the scrambler is the exhaust heat , but mine was cured with a Zard low exhaust ,
Nice vid. thank you and for the Urban GS there is a great solution by Wilbers, their suspension set es especially developed for the Urban GS and adds +70mm to the seat height = spot on ;-)
Thanks for confirming Ralf and thanks for looking at my channel 😊
Good video and to see you out on the bike
Really appreciated Lyn, means a lot 😊
The triumph scrambler is the superior adventure machine, but having once ridden a 1982 R65 and a 1984 R100RS, the boxer engine has become part of me and so I had to go with a RnineT. It is a unique riding experience. I've never had any connection to Triumphs as a rider. I think people see the Urban G/S and forget (or ignore) that it's just a styling exercise on what is a roadster bike. The BMW bike closest to the Triumph Scrambler 1200 (in terms of what the bike is capable of, not retro styling) would in fact be the F850GS. And yeah, Euro 5 sucks. Among other things, the catalyst is thicker and heavier, the exhaust valve section is now welded to the headers, and throttle by wire is now standard. Luckily I'm in the US in a state that doesn't care about emissions and so this is mostly solved with a header kit.
Don’t do it…….. your XE is better than the beemer, sounds better and its a LOOKER TOO 😉😄. I was over Lynmouth last week with my Bro on our T7’s, doing the Devon coast loop, great roads and views. Please keep the XE (I want one too) and get some more vids done soon 👍🏻😄
Wow where the hell is the traffic, how refreshing to have clear roads!
Hello Neil, it’s pretty typical of Rural Devon which is a huge plus for me 👍😊
The south coast gets a bit silly (south hams) but mid Devon is great
Tom Baker, rides bikes and buys a farm.
Thanks for all your efforts
Damn, My secrets out 😂🤪🤣
I owned an R-Nine T Scrambler and now own a Triumph Scrambler 1200XC. The BMW is just too much of a compromise with crap suspension and low specificatio9n when compared to the Triumph and yet they are a similar price. The only things the Beemer wins on is the 3 year warranty, the dealer network and BMW UK back up if things go wrong !
Hi Paul, I’m not surprised with your thoughts - I’d really like to try one modded though - Thanks for watching
That Beema does look awesome, But like you i am a bit of a wrinkly now and it would cripple me. Besides me liking the Triumphs, ive never taken to the cylinders sticking out. But i know they are a good engine, Just not my pot of tea. I do like your XCCCEEE
I have a feeling I’ll use the XCEEE gag again, sadly 🙄😳😌. cheers 🥂
Your exhaust looks great! What is it please? Could you post a link to change over vid you mentioned?
Cheers :))
Check out my channel - scrambler playlist - 2 into 1 custom exhaust - Cheers 🍻 not available new anymore I’m afraid -
I'll take the Urban GS every time. I'm a bit biased having owned an R100 GS.. Mind you there was a Triumph Tiger Trail 750 back in '82.
Have you ridden a 1200 scrambler 🤔 could be interesting 😊 Cheers 🍻
See you changed the exhust on your scrambler does that help with heat coming off the exhust ?
Hi Chris, yes, lowers the heat a lot, not perfect but perfectly acceptable now - have done a few vids on how I did it 👍
Having owned both, in your opinion which is the better bike, 1200 scrambler or 1250 GS, I personally prefer the look of the triumph?
Hi Darryl, no straight answer to this one Darryl but here goes.
I think the GS1250 is the best bike in the world overall.
Whenever I ride one I continue to be astounded with it’s all round ability.
The Scrambler is a different animal that exceeds the sum of its parts (parts that are pretty damn good) but most importantly it has a soul the BM can only dream of.
BUT - it needs a de-catted exhaust - Zard ?
And isn’t much fun in the rain.
Sensible hat, by a GS
But to stir YOUR soul, only one choice … 😊
@@FarmerTorque thanks for that , very well put i reckon. 😊👍
The Triumph has suspension vastly superior to the BMW, whether on road or off, especially off road. The BMW is a big let down in the suspension even on sealed roads. I have the "Urban GS" but until I changed suspension at both ends I didn't enjoy it at all.Spent the money, did the work and now it is a very fun bike to ride.
Good to see Farmer!
Very kind of you James 😊
Very helpful vid. I’ve been weighing these two up. Time to blow the tax return.
Obviously pleased you liked the vid - which way did you go ?
@@FarmerTorque I’m 6’4” so the practicality of the triumph wins. I like the look of both but spending another couple of grand on the suspension upgrade for the BMW doesn’t make much sense when the triumph is ready to go.
Those fish 'n chips, you should probably feed your dog, looks like he's starving...
Both our dogs are fed extremely well
Its not a sneaky feeling that the Scrambler has better suspension.... the Turbans suspension is virtually non existent. I owned one and... biggest bike purchase mistake of my life.
Only, and I mean only thing that was good was the sound of the standard exhaust !
Oh dear, thanks for having a look anyway 😊👍
@@FarmerTorque I follow your channel though...
Problem is Turban is it does not do what one may expect considering it was made to look like a GS80 of old, its an old parts bin bike made to look like it should deliver.. sadly,it does not.
Your Triumph will run rings around it in every way.... I got rid and got a CB500x, great wee bike,
Plus a pre order TT.
Mmmmm bob let it out the bag you do have a name😉😉😉 xe..expensive.. xc..cheap...not a critical comment tryingsome humor.😖😖😖..been watching bob since his er6 days...
And I’ve been calling myself FarmerTorque all my life 😜😂🤪 the XCEEE gag will run…. Haven’t got any more….I mean moor….I… 🙄