Are Scorpions OP?
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Maybe they're not the best in the game, but they have awesome character designs and an iconic weapon
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wrong scorpion
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Oops, still the wrong one
Also damage over time or poison damage is really good
He put tarantulas in A tier in his spider video though, scorpions are better adapted than them in every way
@@Xlens22 that was just rating spiders against each other though
What you said about the Scorpion's low INT stat got me wondering: Intelligence builds are obviously the anthropocene meta. But what was the first build to effectively take advantage of that? I would love a vid about that sometime, of INT specc'd builds through time.
Probably small mammal players in the mezazoic era
Its hard rebalancing the stats for intelligence it requires so much that alot of things have to be sacrificed and added
OoOo yes
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I think one thing to keep in mind about many seemingly "weak" builds is that they are much less likely to be nerfed or banned when a patch comes. The reason scorpions have been around so long is because they are resistant to major meta changes, if you build super powerful and "win" the game to the point where you become oppressively dominant you're likely to get the banhammer sooner or later. If you want a really long term experience without to much upset you could do worse than playing a scorpion.
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Underrated comment.
Manages to explain population rise and decline caused by over performance and over consumption while keeping up the game idea. My hats off to you. =o
@@valkyrie-randgris Game idea? What are you talking about??
The Scorpions were heavily nerfed with the reduced available oxygen patch, and unfortunately Devs decided to nerf them once more by adding the Claw-venom counterbalance, meaning that in order to obtain more powerful venom they should give up claw size and strenght, even then, scorpions can take down builds hundreds or thousands of times their weight if they get a good hit, and the fact that they haven't evolved more sofisticated tools besides their constant nerfs shows how resilient and balanced they truly are, capable of survive the massive expansions and bans that the devs did, they may not be the best build right now but they are absolute masters at adapting with bare minimum changes.
Absolutely! That’s why D tier is absolutely criminal! Scorpions are B tier at least. 🦂
We can always hope for the Asteroid dlc droping 😅
@@user-jf4if6vx9e that won't stop them, the asteroid only made the surface unbearable, the ones that Will die Will be the ones that need high amounts of food to survive, and scorpion isn't one of those animals, the only way to truly erase them is to straight up destroy the entire planet
@@Omarciyo-mn9xl i meant it as in new content :D
Hope they give a small buff next update.
It's not just power-creep, the devs also reduced oxygen levels in later updates. Forcing size reduction in scorpions
Honestly, that pales in comparison to the massive balancing disaster the devs wrought that is the Intelligence stat in the Human class
This is worse than even Injustice 1 Superman
It's gonna be hard to power creep this blunder
@@megabuster3940 Nah, humans would be absolute trash tier if the likes of ants were the same size, the pathetic human intelligence wouldn't even be able to build up culture in such a scenario, humans would be extinct in 5 seconds.
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I doubt such towering sizes would be beneficial to ants under the current oxygen levels
The poor things would suffocate under their own weight
Energy efficiency is a huge part in survival
One of the leading theories behind why the Neanderthals became extinct is because they weren't energy efficient enough to live through the ice age
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"Scorpions are a fascinating build that I do hope eventually get buffed."
Yeah, I'm going to pass on that, thanks.
Yeah, I played fallout, gonna also hard pass.
Scorpion but with its claws it can break bones
I think you'll love coconut crabs :)
Yeah, many scorpion players are toxic players too
@@lorebanjo8516 thanks for giving me a fucking nightmare tonight while I sleep 😂
Scorpions can sometimes score that rare win against a human, and being able to tell stories about that one time you took down the top build makes it all worth it
The Deadly Creatures build.
If I wanted a similar build of similar type, I would probably prefer a "black widow" like spider. Still can down a human, yet feels creepier and cooler to me overall. Of course, scorpions are better in many biomes spiders not so much, but if my goal was a scary to humans, and fun playstyle ... who knows.
They should be careful before the human mains decided to ban scorpions themselves via extermination
@@pencilcase8068there are some builds that humans can’t ban tbh. Scorpions are one of them
@@jacksanity7508 yeah I guess, it might end up like the failing cockroach ban, bedbug ban and mosquito ban. Human mains hate them, want to get rid if them but can't
I'd love to see an actual spin-off game based off of this. I mean, the current price is a whole human soul. Not everyone can afford that. There's already so much information on this game out there that I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually made a spin-off.
Buddhism is kinda of like this, you do good things, you get reincarnated as a rich human. Bad things? You get reincarnated as a cockroach.
@@shallowseller3893 “you get reincarnated as a rich human” what??? You can’t be reincarnated as an adult
I wanna do it but I’m horrible at programming
@@GooseWithNoEggs also good lord the game would take forever to make
@@user-hv6gi9ux6z true. Maybe start with the most basic builds first and only do like 5 subclasses max for the species until more time and money can be put into it
*"Nonetheless scorpions are a fascinating build that i do hope get buffed"*
Don't speak it into existence, TierZoo
"Why is every species evolving into pointy crabs"
*Pulmonoscorpius comes back to life*
the devs are watching
Flying scorpions 🦂?
australian servers did that
It would be quite interesting to see an ant tier list. There are so Many different types of ants to Pick from and Its basically the Ultimate team player Pick second only to humans.
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This
It would be an interesting tier list, yes, since their social hierarchy passes humans and would be really interesting how they would match up against other builds in the meta
Ants are a better team player than humans, in fact almost every eusocial species is, but humans have more individual intelligence which grants them a better technology advancing rate even thought they don’t work that effectively together
@@sergioibarra3461 but when we do work together greatest things in the world come to be
Scorpions were actually what got me into this game. I just love the grappler style that the scorpion has. Didn't stop me from switching to snakes though.
I know the feeling, I loved playing dark souls 2 when I started that series, which served as a perfect skillset for the scorpion. Then I got used to Bloodborne and anything that isn't really mobile just feels too slow anymore. I had to switch over to the bird servers, though I do occasionally run my snake alt to troll some particularly snobby bird players from time to time.
Scorpions were the playstyle that I always acknowledged, but never really valued until now. It was only in recent years I realized they're my absolute favorite, and now I just feel like I missed out forever
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One of the few animals that have perfected the shoe biome. Every wild scorpion I've ever encountered was inside a shoe.
Scary sheet.
Forbidden house
How many have yo encountered? 2?
It certainly quite alright
@@bt70a9 6. 4 while camping/hiking and 2 hiding in work boots in my friends garage. All in footwear, scorpions got drip.
i once had a scorpion as a support class for my human build. would not recommend. their lack of intelligence causes them to eat their children, and they dont have synergy with humans like cats and dogs do. however, they do provide the "center of attention" perk when in the biology class side quest :)
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What do you mean by they try to eat children?!?
@@GlitchBugger There are actually many reasons on my animals eat their babies, mostly because of stress, malnutrition, population control, etc. Scorpions only eat their young as a very last resort to survive
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Love how educational these videos are with the additional of insane attention to gamers and gaming in general
This video really got me nostalgic for the old sea scorpion days back in the devonian patch. Such a fun tool kit. Never should have been banned.
It is a crime that sea scorpions are banned
You sure about that, I'd think you'd change your mind if you had an encounter with one
@@Illegal0Insanity They really weren't that bad. Not our fault no one ever wants to learn the matchup.
That’s why I love the lobster experience so much. To be fair, it’s definitely just nostalgia bait by the devs though
Always wished I played the game back then
I remember seeing a scorpion in my garage as a kid and was more scared than when I saw a cougar on a hiking trail. OP fur sure
lmao
You should 100% be more scared of a cougar.. especially as a kid
Cougars litrelly hunt children I'm pretty sure a cougar is 1,000,00 X worse and they are way faster and stronger than you with sharp claws and teeth
@@Ryzeex. as long as you’re with other people you should be fine
dude the cougar was much more cause for concern
You forget the scorpion's infamous suicide attack against amphibians in the river biome
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I had an emperor scorpion as a pet for a few years. His name was Dwayne Johnson. He was an asshole and would always leave one cricket alive just to torment me in my sleep. The way he scurried about the enclosure always creeped me out but I miss him.
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My mother named our massive family washing machine the same thing. And our lawnmower is called Jason Momoa (my mower). Everything has names around here for some ungodly reason
Scorpions are definitely one of the coolest builds. I also really like it because it is so off-meta nowadays
Gotta agree, such a unique build.
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Show me yo moves
Ok we get it everything's a fucking video game lol
It’s a good build in the game
This is so fucking good man I love your videos. You really put so much work into these.
I hope you continue to make these actually awesome creative fun content.
The commentary remained me of my childhood with Everquest.
Great video.
You gotta appreciate one thing about the scorpions though, they make the game more challenging.
See how in every clip of any player vs a scorpion they're forced to try and disable their weapons first before attacking? (unless they can easily one shot them)
High level PVP between different species usually involve one player trying to avoid the other's one hit KO move or damage over time effects
scorpions are noob killers
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Totally agree with this, it is not complicated to win a pvp against a scorpion;it is simple-just disable the tail. But simple doesnt mean easy. As a Crow player, i decently know what to do in the scorpion match up, but in the rare cases i come across it, it is never "easy" and always thrilling. That, if you ask me, is healthy game design and a balanced build
They're a gatekeeper build. They're not the best, but you need to have a plan or you can't get past them.
@@LimeyLassen Yeah and it really works into the experience well. I just compare it to the Cats, unnecessary INT stat, so well equipped with weapons, plus stealth plus human supp class.. Out-right unwinnable match up for us, the choices are either to avoid everytime or defend enough. While with scorpions, just like you said, you either play higher or lower than them, and im totally fine with that game design
Regardless of their power today, you gotta respect that scorpions have been able to keep the same strategy, and remain at least somewhat viable this long!
If you want to try the same strategy, check out shark mains and alligator mains!
@@Nico42048 what if they have aquaphobia
They have been doing the same strat for at least 488 M.a, gotta respect the dedication.
The fact that scorpions have lasted up into the current meta is not to be overlooked.
I love this build, a personal favourite of the early game for me and I still like playing them even today
Oh no please, don't ever buff the scorpions, their terror stat, although completely ignored in this video is amongst the higher of the specs.
yes, even though they've long been power crept, their intimidation effect is still surprisingly potent against the overpowered human build.
I was waiting for the intimidation and terror buffs too 😅🤦🏾♀️😆
Intimidation and terror stat is primarily effective only against human builds. Which is cool being the strongest build in the game, but humans aren’t their primary matchup in the desert or arid biomes.
It only works against humans, though. It doesn't work against every other species of larger animal. Humans are irrelevant in this case, because it's other animals that feed on them and sometimes crazy humans. I feel bad for Scorpions, tbh. I want them to get a buff, humans be damned. Some humans builds need to get a taste of true poison, since human mains are usually bullies.
-Scorpion Gang
terror stats are only effective on intelligent builds like humans.
I think these videos on lightweight classes are really cool as they are often underrated or not well understood
True so true
Low tiers are always interesting, because any time they have meta relevance, it's because they do something unorthodox.
@@nyon7209 thats true
They're one trick ponies but they can still oneshot top tier builds if caught off guard.
Which is saying a lot considering how most D tier builds are esentially harmless for top tiers.
I want to see this too.Do low tier in reverse & see who is the best at being low tier. My bet is the panda or the koala.
1:37 that shit had me laughing my ass off.
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Fun fact, some fossil scorpions in the paleozoic actually did have compound eyes
fossils? you mean glitches where a player was too slow to decompose and glitches under the ground after the terraim regeneration passed it?
How do I find the fossil Scorpions in the game I’m on level 27?
he meant the patch notes.
they used to have compound eyes yes, but then they slowly evolved to not.
@@TRUMP-for-president-2024 He have human archeologist sub-classes i think
Why would they spec out of such good perception/targeting abilities? Genuinely curious
The fact that Scorpions are still viable, even though they were powercrept throughout the history of the game, is impresdive though!
Even if their power level is lower tiers.
I was going to say this as well! Perhaps TZ should do a video about which builds from the early meta have stayed viable, I'd be interested to see where the scorpion ranks against some of the others!
@@AnimeSunglasses sharks still killing it
@@adamfuller5640 Yes! You get it!
@@adamfuller5640 Also crocodiles/alligators.
They were the first land predators, sucks they are so restricted now.
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What I find wierdly cool is that the spider build was made to be the opposite of the scorpion build, having almost the complete opposite strengths and weakness despite it's statistical similarity. It think the only drastic differences are in mobility and defense.
I find the rivalry between the spider build and the scorpion build most interesting as you pointed out. Spider builds have ambush hunting and quick attacks compared to the tank head on strategy of scorpion builds. Between similar sized specimens, a face off goes either way.
It’s certainly quite alright
I believe the devs did this on purpose. They wanted to design an insect counter to spider builds that still had a somewhat decent matchup
Also because they are kinda closely related or at least are both arachnids which would make you think they’d be more similar
@@williamcurtis2145 True, I was more referring to how they are played.
Thing is as humans, we usually see threats according to their likelihood to kill us.
So any venomous enemy with stealth becomes top tier. Only rivaled by big carnivours
vast majority of scorpions don't have a venom that is lethal to humans. Even those that do are only borderline lethal. There are no stand out cases like there are in the Snake and Spider classes.
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That's nice. But I'm sure it's still worse than being attacked by a cat or something
@@16m49x3 depends on the size of the cat :)
@@caseyb1346 rawr
@@16m49x3 :3
The Green Scorpion disapproves of the tier placement.
You turned this into a video game and it just got 10x more interesting.
Given how freaky they're often depicted in media, especially when transformed into giant monsters, it's nice to see scorpions get absolutely bodied
I kinda enjoy seeing monkeys and squirrels dominate other animals
Iv'e been stung by one in Texas, about as painful as a bee sting
@@wilcowen6284 in fights... right?
*looks up scorpion vs frog*
@@lunaticcultist3764 yes
I love these "Is X OP" videos because the deep dives into iconic species are so interesting! Scorpions obviously catch the eye becuase of their iconic apperance and tail weapon, so it was super cool to learn more about them.
unironically, the only way to teach me is by making it like a game. i learn so much. i feel sad when this vids ends cause its too good
I’m pretty sure scorpions are an order, not a species. His range of animals varies when talking about “Is X OP?”
@@juanjoyaborja.3054 Their a family inside of the arachnid order, not their own order. Sorry if this comes off as rude, I just find arachnids interesting
@@tortoiselover7215 No. Scorpions are an order, arachnids themselves are a CLASS. A whole tier above order.
Scorpions are arachnids reply section.
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Out here waiting for my “why raccoons are OP” video. I mean come on, they are one of the only animals that have successfully orchestrated a heist, they have thumbs, they have access to the lock-picking skill tree and have enough intelligence to understand the debuffs of poor hygiene.
They're absolutely S-tier for urban survival servers
Yeah, racoons really need a nerf, but so do us humans.
I'd recommend checking out the 'city animal tier list' where that was brought up- ua-cam.com/video/X0KOEd34Mb8/v-deo.html
Raccoons are op
What are you talking about? Corvids steal shit all the time. Trash pandas may be able to open a garbage bin but if ravens weren't so short lived that their wisdom leveling was nerfed they could easily be second only to humans. You raccoon mains are funny.
The mice shown in most of these clips fighting scorpions are grasshopper mice, which are actually immune to scorpion venom to an incredible degree.
They're pretty famous for hunting scorpions and centipedes. It's a bit odd that TierZoo missed this.
@@CrazyYanmega Considering he even mentioned that many mammals that hard counter the scorpion spec into poison/venom resistance, for the precise reason of fighting scorpions? Yeah.
I think the clip he used just looked really cool so he decided to take artistic liberties, doubt it was a blunder honestly
Aren’t grasshopper mice also vicious cannibal mice?
@@Hyper_Drud * adorable vicious cannibal mice
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Only villains spawn in as Scorpion, but at least their design is cool
Fancy seeing you here.
Maybe I am a villain
Exactly what mewnimilitary42 said
Perhaps, I don't want to be the hero anymore
*looks over at Scorpia from SPOP*
At least there is one exception to it.
scorpions specialized into the spider hunting strategy which I feel is a strong anti-meta strategy as spiders as a whole are top tier in the low weight class. The fact that scorpion mains can use their abilities to at least deter the higher weight class top tiers like cats and humans is very telling. I would put them in high C tier personally.
Agreed. Many of the scorpion's unfavorable matchups are against significantly higher weight classes, and while there have been builds that subvert this they're exceedingly difficult to optimize. However, the point about many same-class current builds having puncture resistance and round shells is notable. Personally, they land in a solid mid C tier.
Their only losing match-up in the arthropod meta is ants, which basically every arthropod has a losing match up against. Ants are easily S-tier, IMO, and this puts scorpions in A or B tier. The fact that only specialized MAMMALS and some birds, of all things, take them out is a testament to how OP scorpions are.
I think C is too high. What you say about their spider matchup is true, but in a mid-tier meta so diverse, I think that single niche isn't enough. There isn't enough scorpion players in urban biomes for us to know how well their intimidation strategies work unlike spiders that scare off humans regardless of massive urban playerbase and small sizes. Personally, as a human with low resistance against spider intimidation, scorpions aren't nearly as effective in deterring me. Their appearance seems more spec'd into cool rather than creepy and scary. That being said, they seem very fun to play in the biomes they're usually played in; avoiding most matchups til you can find someone who can lose to your creative kill condition. Perhaps there is certain scorpions that can make it into C if their biome allows them to better avoid bad matchups, vice versa.
I agree. They can hold their breath underwater for 6 days & can go without eating for 12 months. That puts them in low C I think.
@@RipleySawzen i garuntee that even the best scorpion mains would lose hard against almost every crab player and quite a few different beetle builds more times than not
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I love the music you use. The RuneScape feels
Me and my family claimed a section of the map ruled by a scorpion swarm, we took many months to get rid of them. We were afraid of getting stabbed at night, but in few weeks we learned their behaviour pattern, resulting in instakills for us. Once we located their spawn point, GG was quite easy.
Human main I'm guessing? if so, that's typically how things go when anyone finds themselves pitted against humans.
@@gingermcgingin4106 I follow the meta!
@@girdielbohmer2148 Big W
@@girdielbohmer2148 meta slave
Without human mains tools and pack hunting tactics you'd lose the 1v1 against a build that's maybe the size of your foot. Honestly quite sad that such a cheesy build gets such meta dominance just because of one overtuned stat and nothing else.
I remember when I was still rather low level, I nearly stepped on a scorpion player that had snuck into my base. Fortunately my team mate and cousin alerted me and we both retreated while one of our higher level team mates dealt with the scorpion
Should have called Sub-Zero.
This is why I only play on the British Isles servers.
@@hens0w ew bri ish human player
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One bit of trivia people should know about scorpions is you can estimate how dangerous one based on the size of it's pinchers in relation to it's body. The smaller it's claws are in proportion to it's body the more potent it's venom is as a general rule.
you also have to remember they have high intimidation stat. I never saw a human build not being terrified of a Scorpion player
humans can be intimidated by virtually any large insect though
I mean even a single ant suddenly appear near one's hand gonna cause some people skip a breath, modern human have one of lowest intimidation resistance.
To be fair with their lack of natural resistances all forms of damage when caught unaware humans can be extremely fragile so if a scorpion player manages to sneak into the base of a human player they have basically free exp.
Humans are just so used to not feeling threatened by any non-human player, they vastly exaggerate their reaction to even the least amount of threat. The scorpion's ability to one hit KO is certainly scary, but virtually any strategy that's useful to fight and disable a scorpion, a human can put in action - precise attacks to grab and pinch the tail (human opposable thumbs are a wonderful precision tool), armour through tool use (thick, sturdy gloves would already suffice), not to mention outsmarting, outrunning, or simply crushing the scorpion under one's boot. Human-scorpion is actually a completely one sided match up, it's just that humans see a tiny chance of defeat instead of 100% certain victory and that's enough to make them freak out.
Humans have zero armour by default and pretty slow reflexes. If a Sorpion, venemous spider or snake snuck up onto an unprotected part of the human, that could be a game-over.
I'd love to see a retrospective of a particular class patch by patch. Just think of running through the wild ups and downs of crocodilia, for example.
Or amphibians!
Crocodilia have been very well balanced for awhile now I'd say for a good few millenia, they haven't been directly buffed or nerfed since the class select update. But unfortunately due to environmental changes they've been slightly nerfed, but still well balanced.
@@JackJack-vn1ni Excitingly, it turns out that that's not quite true. Dataminers discovered recently that crocodilians haven't remained in one shape for all that time; they just keep *re-evolving* into it. They keep getting balance updates but always end up returning to the tried-and-true.
@@clockworkkirlia7475 That's how you know a strategy is top-tier.
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This is the first video I’ve seen, so funny, what a great premise lol
I love how serious he sounds in his videos, even though talking about the animal kingdom as a game is pretty funny and fun to watch, in addition to being educational
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I know, man. He sounded like an actual fuckin' commentator at an E3 match.🤣
dude watching this shit high would mess with your head so much. if you try to view the world as a simulation then the bigger picture of his videos could be like, idk, maybe we could possibly direct evolution certain ways(i.e. catching up to the "meta") if we were to put these animals in confined situations over a pan-earth society led science experiment spanning the course of millions of generations. We would just have to like stop going to war and doing human nature stuff... oh shit, maybe we evolved consciousness way too soon 🙄👀
What are you talking about? It IS a game 🤔
@@g.b.1138 Good Point...
I remember playing as one of these scorpions not too long ago, I try the digging technique that you suggested and it worked. This little experience gave me nostalgia from when scorpions first came out, being able to one shot early fish players was easy and very resourceful if you could find them although I got attacked by sea scorpion several times glad those things are banned now.
There are some sea scorpion species still kicking out there though.
@@Burn_Angel Seriously, I’m pretty sure they’re using a script. When will the devs patch it? Who knows.
@@Burn_Angel He’s talking about the eurypterid build. They aren’t scorpions, and calling them “sea scorpions” is scientifically inaccurate. They’re a group of arachnids closely related to horseshoe crabs, and didn’t have the iconic stinger that true scorpions have. The largest arthropod to ever exist AND the heaviest arthropod to ever exist were both eurypterids. If you saw the clip of the giant ocean-dwelling scorpion at the beginning of the video, it’s from Walking With Monsters. In that exact episode, that scorpion got attacked by a eurypterid, which was around 2.5 metres long. Hence why he was saying that he’s glad eurypterids were banned: they were dominating the niches now filled by giant predatory fish and mammals
Is this a game lol?
@@justxaine.3544 yeah, it's called Outside
The background music in these videos is so relaxing… meaning that there’s quite the contrast when one hears that chill music only to watch a grasshopper mouse get sideswiped by a scorpion’s stinger and consequently KO’d…
I always use Scorpion as a secondary since I'm more of a bear main, Scorpions are basically sneaky attackers that requires patience since you would have to play dead for targets to start closing on you for loot and if they are close enough, that's the time to attack since they would be stunned by your basic melee. If I am to use it on a raid then I would first hide away before hiding somewhere, if a enemy is near then I would play dead. It's basically a strategy type of animal which is not recommended for beginners but instead recommended for experienced players
We need a “are beetle op” video
Beetles are so successful and it would be cool for us to explore why
True, rhino beetles are hilarious
Just watch this, they rival raiden
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Pretty good I'd say!
THE RADIANCE
I mean adult beetles are definitely good to play as, but their incredible vulnerability in larval stage is kind of a setback. They have no defence other than hiding and they get absolutely bodied by many predators and especially parasitoids.
@@matyaskassay4346 they’re the largest class ever though, so they must be doing something right.
@@matyaskassay4346 yeah
The larvae usually try to lay low and go underground or in woods for a safer play style but still get eaten a lot. But the adults are incredibly successful.
Accept for those species that spend the majority of their life as juveniles and mainly breed as adults for some reason. But most would do well as adults.
Being able to fly while having solid armor is pretty incredible. You get both mobility and defense. Which means their defensive ability is incredibly powerful with armor and evasion. Though many doesn’t have a lot of attack abilities accept for the ones that specialize in this like tiger beetles.
The flightless oak darkling have better defense being resistant to the weight of a car crushing it but less mobility
Tiger beetles seems really good tho. High attack,solid armor,decent flight ability and the fastest run speed (I think among insects ) which allows immediate high agility, and a non vulnerable and actually aggressive carnivorous juveniles that act as ambush predators.
They do have low intelligence and worse sensory ability as sometimes they are unable to process their surroundings while running so they occasionally stop and low hp but that’s basically a given if you wanna play as an insect. Though some species have low stealth, many actually have increadible stealth too.
The one main thing I think is holding scorpions back from being high tier is that they situate themselves somewhere in between a very mobile build and an ambush build. I feel like they would be a lot more successful if they stuck to one of the two and maxed out their stats for just that one.
Thats kinda the thing with them , they have always been succesfull because they are not really specialised in any enviorment or playstyle
They can dig climb , run , wrestle , ambush , chase , they have solid armor but they are still quite fast , they can hold their own against much larger players than most insects and spiders , and the tail might not have high accuracy , but once the scorpion is grabbed , it’s sure to deliver a hit
Even as far as marchups , they are arguably the best fighters in their weightclass , and because they are hard to crush (to the point where they can’t fight), they have more time to land their own attacks
Sure , they can’t stand against animals that are specialised in hunting them , like mongoose , but thats a given
A chicken for example ,a pretty weak bird , is capable of defeating even top tier snakes like cobras ,
Honestly with solid matchups , great versatility , and a couple of exploitable weaknesess , i’d say the average scorpion is low A tier
The D tier would be the ones that have big claws , but short tails with weak venom ( the ones you see in almost all the clips seen in the video ),
The best , maybe low S tier would be the ones that go all out on the tail demage and armor , like fat tail scorpions , because the usual strategy of crushing the tail is less usefull , the speed and accuracy of tail strikes is greater ,because the claws are too weak to secure a grab , and the danger of being one Shot by the venom is great enough to scare off most creatures from challenging them in the first place
@@andidinu1456 I think despite the Scorpion's versatility, it fails at being a true generalist for one reason, Scorpions aren't omnivores. Even though they have some great match-ups, they never can out-class the ant, the ants don't have the claws, but they are omnivorous and social, and a lot of the best ones also have powerful stingers and venom. For this reason I don't think Scorpions could ever be S tier, if there was a more social and omnivorous Scorpion build that would be S tier. Keep in mind, S tier means not having terrible matchups against anything on your server. Until then, I think Scorpions sit around a B for their weight class.
@@iminumst7827 fair point
However ants are OP themselves . They are so dominant that there really is no build in their weightclass that can outmatch them in a fight ,and even larger builds can often do nothing but flee from them . It’s like judging a hyena’s viability based on it’s matchup againt elephants and lions
@@andidinu1456 Not every class needs to win every matchup to be top tier, but to be top tier they need to be able to at least avoid or fend off bad matchups. A hyena's matchup against an Elephant isn't important to a Hyena's ranking because a hyena A) isn't ever hunted by an Elephant and B) Can still eat elephants after they die from other causes because Hyena's are scavengers. Hyena's matchup against Lions is bad not not as bad as you'd think.
Scorpion loses a LOT of the matchups that really matter for the scorpion's survival, even to classes that aren't dedicated purely to hunting scorpions such as lizards and birds. Ants do have a couple losing match-ups like Ant-Eaters, but outside of classes purely made to counter ants, most classes, even of a much higher weight class have bad matchups against ants. A scorpion has to get pretty lucky to beat anything slightly above it's weight class, and it loses to animals of a smaller weightclass such as ants. Scorpions in the current meta are B at max.
@@iminumst7827 agreed
and in that regard , scorpions do about as well as most other arthropods against ants , scrambling away from the raid as fast as they can , and most often managing to escape unharmed . And even disregarding all that , a bad matchup againt a build in the server isn’t enough to disregard said build from the top tier
Again , the snake and bird example : even the most deadly , combat prepared snakes , have terrible matchups against just about every bird and small carnivore ( let alone builds specialised in hunting them like secretary birds , snake eagles, badgers, mongoose , etc) simply because the moveset of those builds happens to be the perfect counter for the snakes moveset , and most snakes aren’t even fast enough to run away
Even eusocial insects like ants have specialised predators like anteaters ,pangolins , sloth bears , echidnas, thorny devils ,etc
These builds are still S tier , because they overall have it much better than most other builds
Coming back to the scorpion , it’s not like they get exterminated constantly by ants , sure , every once in a while the ant raids might catch a scorpion ( they catch just about any sort of animal that can’t outrun them ..) but overall , they are a minor predator , and have little to no effect on the scorpion population
Oh also i almost forgot , you mentioned the scorpions lack of omnivory ,and that would be a problem indeed , but since they can go for such long periods without food , it’s not like they ever starve to death , even in deserts
That opening was INTENSE.
And COOL
I feel like such a nerd with the game analogies making this video both more engaging and easier to understand!
I really liked the segment you added this time about how they could be more viable. I'd love to see that in more videos!
Interesting points and ideas, but i think it would be easier for them if they spec into more mobility and try to use the social perk as packs or swarm, it is a very meta build.
They could just go coconut crab sized and start hunting larger prey kek
Faster, more social scorpions is probably the way to go for them, you're right. I can see a team of scirpions working to overpower larger opponents this way, and catching up to faster builds this way. That might just make them a top-tier threat again.
@@goddessdeedeebubblesofimag7789 the idea seems good(about team tactics), but the main problem with it is that many scorpions are cannibals, so they might not see others as teammates, but only as food
@@d22268 hmm.... good point. Do you think an intelligence buff would help with that?
That a interesting idea.
You would have to invest in guild for this and probably get some points from dot damage to the intelligence star.
Better perception would also help.
I love the detail that the terrestrial server wasn't an update but dlc
Great to see such an old build still being viable in the meta, and although the size nerfs made it a bit more boring, the toxicity buffs are enough to where I might consider this for my next run. Props to you for dedicating part of your playthrough to helping some of us less experienced players understand the meta more clearly
Scorpions are a lot better than TierZoo says they are. These arachnids are a solid B-tier for most people.
Not gonna lie the scorpion class got a lot goin for them but the fact that if they lose their stinger they can’t poop is just hilarious to me
mind you their biggest weakness is their size that got nerfed hard
we dont see them lose much in their own weight class other than vs swarms and tanks
@@porolinio true but thing is many of the builds in their weight class are tanks or swarm builds
Larger arthropods would be too dependent on water or extreme oxygenation. Unfortunately, even the giant sea scorpions would be rekt by sharks, crocodiles and other top tier aquatic threats.
TierZoo: "Nonetheless, Scorpions are a fascinating build that I hope eventually get buffed"
Fallout series: Hold my stinger.
I have never watched this channel before, I only clicked because the thumbnail had a RuneScape hitsplat. After watching, I was not disappointed and will be back. Curious what other fascinating builds are out there
Loving the runescape splat markers and sounds
Scorpions have the rare “suicide” ability, allowing them to restart the game without having to endure unpleasant gameplay sequences such as the immolation quick time event.
how does having that ability advantage them
@@arjunobulam2653 Scorpions have the option to waste less time playing a bad build and can instantly reset to the character select screen. Other low tier builds without this ability often have to sit through a torturous playthrough before they are allowed to change what character they spawn in as.
@@erwinli6962 That benefits the scorpion player base as a whole, but doesn't benefit the individual at all.
Unfortunately that’s just a rumour of an unreleased Easter egg patch that got scrapped by the devs. Scorpions are mostly immune to their own venom, and don’t kill themselves even when threatened with fire. Maybe by speccing into INT they could gain the “existential dread” skill and gain the suicide ability through this, but there’s currently no viable way for them to have the ability now
They also don’t have to see the replays of their death/ death messages
Skills left out that are HUGE:
Parthenogenesis perk (breed at their own) and urban server adaptation. Not all scorp mains have that, but the ones that do, oh boy, they really benefit from it.
When your natural habitat is so desolate, you evolve to mate yourself. -_-'
What is it
@@rjlangaman4741
The ability to reproduce without a mate. Like Mother Mary.
@@Graphomite saint mary scorpion main confirmed
Don't forget some species can squirt venom like a spitting cobra. I know for a fact that emperor and desert hairy scorpions can, I've seen it.
It's lovely that you made a spanish version of your videos! I'd love to see more! Thank you!
I would put scorpions in C tier because, for the most part, it can avoid some of its bad match ups through its borrowing ability. Birds, snakes, and most lizards aren't able to follow it, and it's way easier to hit something with a stinger if you're both confided underground. And while underground, they aren't exactly finding you anyway.
Granted, this isn't perfect as staying near a borrow or underground limits your ability to find prey, and Meerkats, screws, and ants can either dig you up or follow you down anyway and are more then capable of dodging or taking a sting.
Overall, Scorpions are probably a bit better than you say, but they definitely could use some buffs or changes. One idea I thought would be cool if they improved their perception and precision and modified their stinger to where they can actually shoot venom much like a spitting cobra. Its viability might be questionable, but it would give them a range attack while also improving their match-up against vertebrates as they can now aim for the eyes or mouth to deliver their vemon rather than trying to peirce. Honestly, it might not be possible or viable, but it would be cool.
Also they're nocturnal, so a lot of the matchups can be avoided for that reason too
That’s right. On top of that, most of the scorpion’s weaknesses described in the video apply to ALL arthropods. Not to mention certain species of scorpion have large crushing claws with weak venom or highly potent venom with weak claws, making their strategies decently varied.
There’s a reason they’ve remained unchanged for millions of years. Their strategy is reliable and gets the job done. They’re a solid B-tier.
DUDE THIS TUNE AT 0:30 I remember this from some wonky e-encyclopedia that my dad brought me on CD's in early 2000. You walked around amazing interactive museum, there was like whole series of those. Amazing memories awaken, thank you.
Yup, I had that same game. It was called dinosaur hunter. You probably got it from a scholastic book fair when you were in elementary school!
the "immense power creep the world has seen" line made me laugh a lot
Scorpions were here longer since dinosaurs and humans on planet Earth. So that alone to me shows how spontaneous and epic the scorpions really were. What a great video, keep it up!
How am I just finding this channel, its golden
i'd love to see a video on Anteaters, they're pretty OP, being able to defend themselves from Jaguars and all that.
Their T-pose tho😳😳
Wow, I haven't watched your videos for quite a time (I was there in the beginning and watched you take your first big steps) and now I'm pleasently surprised to see that you surpassed 3mil subscribers. Congratulations! And oh my god I was going to reference the documentary you included at 2:35 anyway, I'm happy to see that!
The walking with series is really good, I've watched it so many times.
ESTA RE BUENO EL DUB, UN CAPO EL PIBE QUE DOBLA
The first words made me burst into laughter, thought it was a " classic " documentary, the idea is so cool ^o^
I was never a scorpion main, when I started playing outside I choose a beetle type class can't quite remember which, but I enjoy learning of other classes
Your a human class now cool
i myself started as a squid main but after the exodus from the deep dlc there are many squid mains left
Can you make a tier list of the deer faction?
Also, where would you place the Neanderthal faction if the devs re-added them?
Requesting a...deer list?
Mooses are dev high A tier!
@@phexchen It's MEESE!
Neanderthals are below Sapiens due to a less social playstyle, but they're still a near-clone. They would be at exactly the #2 spot in the tier list, right below Sapiens. They still have tool use, language, teaching, and an incredible INT stat, which are the key factors that led modern humans to dominance.
There's also the possibility that with prolonged co-existence, the Neanderthal build and the Sapiens build would pool their strategies over time, much like we actually saw during that patch, but to a greater extent. Instead of a 97% Sapiens, 3% Neanderthal mix like in current humans, we might see a mix with a greater fraction of Neanderthal perks.
If you include antelopes and gazelles I could see that being quite the list. Save the bovines like wildebeest and cape buffalo and such for a different list, but the deer like ungulates? Get ready to watch them get bodied by humans, and literally everything else.
Soon as I saw the RuneScape hit markers I knew it was gonna be a solid video
I've been playing Scorpion build for a while, and i remember doing one weird quest that telling me to take down a Egyptian kingdom by kidnaping the witch first.. such a hard quest but it worth coz i got "Scorpion King" tittle in the end :)
I have to say the poor intelligence has to be its biggest weakness, although by being in the desert biomes often, it is difficult for high intelligence builds to live there given the lack of food the intelligence builds need.
Agreed. And usually, the intelligent builds that do develop there only do so because they are originally from other biomes where they first built up the amount of intelligence necessary to be self-sustainable in the desert. Examples: Elephants, humans, desert foxes.
All I remember on the history of scorpions is that they started out in the sea and they went on land temporally. Ever since the Carboniferous era where arthropods got smaller, scorpions kind of stagnated. There still scary but it’s hard to see if they’ve made improvements.
Notably their low food needs are among the features that enable scorpions to dominate (as far as biomass goes) in desert servers. And given if they need to they can simply eat each other, they never have to worry about running out of what little food they need.
It should be noted that not ALL scorpions live within deserts.
For instance there are two species that live in the Appalachian Mountains of Tennessee. That biome is both completely forested and relatively wet.
@@bolbyballinger indeed, there are many tropical and temperate species as well (their diversity is highest in the subtropics). One species is found as high as 18,000 feet in the andes, and there are a variety of arboreal species. It's just that scorpions are notably very successful in deserts.
Check out pseudo scorpions, they are the obscure buffed version of the scorpion build, dealing their lethal venom with their pinchers instead of their tail, which they lack. This is way more efficient than venom delivery via a stinger and without a tail you don't have the same easy to nab weak spot of scorpions.
Hm, heard that they deliver venom from their pedipalps rather than their bite
@@sirduckoufthenorth Oops yeah that's correct. I fixed it
Some scorpions grow so big they don't even need the stinger anymore (Emperor Scorpion is a good example, mofo can cut a giant wasp in half with one of his pincers)
Vinegaroons?
They are great but they are very tiny
I'm a big fan bro I've been watching for a while I don't remember how long but at least two years going on three. I love your walkthroughs I just wanted you to know that
That Loop Hero OST is so good with this type of video LOL
The devs should add a new stat called “potential” that shows the possible strength of a build if it uses certain strategies or works with other players.
Oh god is this a jojo reference.
@@applesauce155 OHH NOOO!!!
@@applesauce155 shut up get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head
No, too opinionated.
Good Ending: Fake JoJo Fans don't invade TierZoo
@@whoisanarnb wat, im a real jojo fan ive seen manga to part 1 to part 7.
Love the inclusion of the Loop Hero track :)
By russian devs who don't agree with their government!
Love Loop Hero, I wish the devs finish making the items in the game though, or just remove the extra inventory slots.
@@LazarheaD I haven't heard anything about this what's going on with four quarters?
@@DESMal Last I saw from them they made a post on VK disagreeing with their government invading Ukraine. Now, I can't even access VK.
@@b_but_not_2b You dense mgfudger, every character has their own loadout of items they wear...
Lets all appreciate the fact that meerkat just ate that stinger like a boss at 2:09.
"The scorpion lacks an AOE attack to defend against ants." This guy is so funny! I'm more curious to know what he will comment than what I will learn 😂