I should have mentioned that your build will be different depending on how many boards/points you have. A 4 board build will be different to a 3 board build for example. You won't start off with a 4-5 board build (if you ever even get that far), you'll make your way up to it...making copy pasta builds even more difficult for this system....there are just so many variables. Come hang out @ twitch.tv/kanonxo
Well, this game will be bit more like PoE in this regard, compared to D3. It might be worth thinking about the order when you theorycraft the level 100 build. Feels like noob bait to plug crucial resource or survival related board as the last one, making your character feel bad for the first 85 - 90 levels, until you actually reach the critical rare nodes and plug a huge glyph to that 4th board and such :D. And yeah, it's possible prioritising QoL board and pluggin it first, may make the build suboptimal on higher level and there might be respec required on 90 - 95+ to alter the board connections, orientation and pathing. Probably not always the case though. In PoE people usually solve this by adding multiple trees to PoB, which show you how the build author progressed through levels and it sometimes includes a respec at some point. Would be nice to have similar functionality in the D4 skill builder - switch that you flip to see level 50, 70, 90 and 100 version of the build for example. That offers that extra level of guidance people will need to follow the build.
I love, how (at least for now, not having played the endgame) there are a LOT of possible ways to build ones character/class. Thank you for explaining!
That's pretty cool. I just hope that "unoptimized builds" won't turn out to be trash in the endgame, so that you are pretty much forced to follow a guide if you want to complete the content
Wow, great explanation for those of us Dwarves who haven't "delved too deep" into D4. I am really psyched for the depth of this game now. Thanks again Kanon, MORE! Also, this really makes me realize just how Legendary and Rare drops will influence class builds. Good thing we have account-based items!
Great video! Definitely will take this into my planning👌 One thing that many people don't seem to know is the each of the stats (STR, DEX, INT, WILL) will have different value for each class. Can't remember the exact matching basically it goes like this: Rogue gets crit chance from INT and skill damage from DEX whereas the druid would get crit chance from STR and skill damage from WILL. So only focussing on ach classes main stats without rly READING the stat description of ur class may criple ur build🤓
This is such an informative video! I knew most of this before, but it really woke me up to look at what boards I want to pick up in what order because going back and changing the first board will be a hassle!
I find it engaging enough past 50 to keep a sense of progression for sure. It’s fun to plot a path trying to hit up certain rare nodes while getting to that legendary node. Thinking bout the path to take while considering maybe needing more dex, etc to activate bonuses of the rare nodes. I like it.
even though game is released and I have seen several other content creators explanation of paragon boards this is by far the best explanation I have seen. Thank you for the guidance.
Nice video man. At first I didn't think the Paragon Board was gonna be very interesting, but over the last week I've been getting deeper into it to try to figure out which direction to go with my Sorc, and there's definitely some tough choices to be made.
Thanks for such a detailed explanation of the paragon boards! This was a really informative video. Not gonna lie, the whole paragon system is pretty intimidating to me, so I really appreciate all of your hard work & I know I'll be learning tons from you in the future. Keep it up!
The difference in power between people that know what they're doing and people that don't will be immense. Which is another reason why I think respec costs should be pretty low. There are going to be a ton of people that mess up their paragon boards and run into a progression wall.
Season 1 here blizzard sorc Lvl 99 soon 100 I connected the dots on Paragon boards by myself and I like your explanation I see it just like you. I have respec once and might do it again to save those points I got while I progressed and my char already doing over 80-90+ dungeons with so much dps.
This looks so cool can’t wait to try the game out it’s my first Diablo game just hope I don’t get disappointed haven’t been this happy about a game in like 3 years
It's a blizzard game. Be always careful with your expectations with them cause their records speak for themselves. It's probably gonna be a fun ride tho. Most likely. Maybe.
Something else easily missed is that the four stats do different things on each class. The defensive benefits are the same (Strength is always armor, Int resist, Dex is dodge, Willpower is +Healing), but the other effects vary by class. Most people probably expect Dex to be crit chance, which it is on Barbarian, but Rogue gets Crit Chance from Int. I suspect most classes will want to go with their Main Stat (which is +Skill Damage) and whatever stat gives crit chance. So Rogues will probably do mostly Dex/Int. Rogues won’t want to invest in strength because the only thing Strength provides is armor, making nodes that require strength less desirable.
Fantastic video, I had no idea how complex the system was. I just hope Blizzard understands this and makes any respec costs minimal, because it's gonna take a LOT of experimentation for all of us to figure this stuff out. I do not want to find out at level 80 that my build is critically broken and have it cost something insane to fix it. That would give me flashbacks to D2 where you had 1 respec and god forbid you naively used it too early.
You actually get 1 for each difficulty, but that system was meant to be if your getting wrecked in your new difficulty you can change things up but I've had to scrap more than a few d2 characters because even after respec I wasn't good enough
Pvp has been described as a slaughter fest instead of balanced dueling. While the board obviously matters, I doubt they matter 'more' for pvp. If anything, they matter 'less' compared to pve, due to both the numbers of players participating and time spent doing so, and the balancing of pvp itself. That doesn't mean we're not going to see elitist pvpers talking about how crucially important paragon boards are, but be mindful that the loudest people often are not the standard candle they present themselves as, and frequent talking points are not more important than straightforward or easy mechanics that don't require as much thought. Paragon boards will be a core component of the overall build (also including skills and itemization), but builds require cohension between all core parts. They are all important.
@@HeartsOfGreyit's not a slaughter fest. I think it's pretty balanced you have to hit your buffs and crowd controls better and dodge. If you don't it will be a slaughterfest in pvp.
Hands down THE BEST Paragon detailed video I've seen. You have earned a new sub 😊 If you have these Google Sheet(s) to share so we don't have to make our own, that'd be fantastic!
Very informative video, I knew paragon boards have some depth but I didn't expect it to be this deep, for someone who loves to fiddle with builds and experiment this is really cool.
Finally, I understand the paragon board system thanks to you! This was by FAR the best explanation I have come across - Thank You so much you just got a new subscriber. Given the importance of these boards and the fact that the order of the boards are super important, Blizzard better not make changes to these boards willy-nilly because that will definitely fk everyone up. I like how dynamic the paragon board system is, it's fun because it's highly likely a lucky gear drop could make or break your plans, or even enable a different path altogether. Any system that promotes uniqueness among players is a good thing.
building is going to be completely based on your drops, so i wouldnt worry so much with paragon when we already are familiar with it from other games, and to be honest just focusing on one tree is going to be just fine, i wouldnt talk down to players about their experience. as you just said it isnt cookie cutter so there will be a lot of trial and error. but ultimately just like any blizz game there will be the best builds that rise above
As far as i understand, the stat cost of activating the second rare effect from the glyph doesn't go up with the number of boards you have, but rather with the distance that specific glyph is from your starting board. As such, placing the first 4 boards in a cross pattern (†) seems optimal. Cheers
The paragon boards should also have a min to max amount of nodes as well as being organised differently within set rules of how distant they have to be from eachother etc.. They keep their legendaries and rares but, like rerolling a helmet for an improved stat (defense 7-11), the amount of INT, DEX, WILL etc. Nodes and inaccessible slots/paths are also arbitrary (Example: Deadly Ambush board = 200-250 INT nodes). This will 100% guarantee that no 2 players can the same because 1:No 2 boards are the same . 2: The path to the desired glyph is also varied . So if you feel like making a spreadsheet, it will be for this specific character and whatever boards you want him to use.
A lot of people have talked about this already, but none have stressed exactly how important it is to pay attention to as much as u did, which I appreciate a lot since I was preaching the same thing. Glyphs are almost always more powerful than Legendary nodes, so they ought to be ur focus going into each board on most occasions. That being said, completely saturating ur Glyph stat within the radius might be a very key strategy earlier on as opposed to progressing towards the next board and the one after that as it is certainly a bigger spike in power immediately. There is a lot of depth to this paragon system and will certainly define D4's endgame like nothing else could. Very good video, great job
One thing to note is that it may be worth unlocking additional boards just to use the stat point bonus of the gates to reach thresholds for rare nodes in the boards you do actually fill. It seems that both sides of the gate give 5 of each stat, meaning you get a total of 40 stat points from spending a single paragon point.
Yeah I did think the bonuses were ridiculously small but it makes more sense in light of the requirements for the paragon board. We had 28 statues, 25 of which gave stat boosts. That's about 125 over 5 acts so about 250 total stats. Considering some of my builds require up to 1900 stat points but that you get around 1200 from the paragon board, 250 is over a third of what's missing (assuming you need all four stats for a rare node or another, not all builds will need all four stats but then they'll also probably require much less than 1900 total points) so that's a pretty huge deal. For my Rogue build, I would go from needing around 450 stats from gear to needing only 270 which is much more affordable (especially since a quarter of that is already guaranteed by one of the unique)
Thank you for your time in this video. It helped me a lot. I even go for Druid instead of Rogue now that I know that he can stay in Werewolf form. I wish they could make a druid not so fat :)
I had no idea they made such a big thing of it. This information is very important. But I can't help but wonder how much all of this will mean ultimately. It still seems like when all is said and done, everyone going for the same type of build will end up with the same boards. Either organically with just a bit of variation because some were more efficient than others, or because they just used some online tool to calculate it for them.
Have you had a chance to look at going into a 7th board on Rogue? I copied the poison trap uber lilith build and noticed that they stopped at 6 and then filled in stat puffers for the 6 sigils. I am currently reworking that to push the 7th board, and grab tons of elite damage and some extra vulnerable nodes.
This video basically emphasizes that there will definitely be a fixed/optimum build for the Paragon Boards. There is basically the illusion of choice if you want to play a meta/good build. If you wanna do your own thing that may be severely underpowered, then you can do whatever you want. At best, you can tweak a few points here and there. - He says at 10:30 that you have to plan the order of the Boards because of stat requirements. - Then at 14:31 he says that you need to plan your glyphs based on the stats provided by each board, this means that each glyph has an ideal board to be placed on.
oh my god hahahhaha i didnt knew that by taking that top node i unlock a new board! THANKS A FREAKING LOT! Also this tip on the glyph radius is amazing aswell!!! Thanks!
I really like the potential complexity. My only hope is that blizzard didn't make a lot of mistakes with the overall balance. I know there's bound to be a broken mechanic or two but let's hope it's to a minimum.
From the sound of things it maybe better to look at OFF Stat boards for your class first, then near the end of you paragon look at you MAIN Stat as by that time you will have plenty of it added along the way. Not to mention we don't know if our first Glyphs will come from a PoE type quest reward IE: pick one of x number of Glyphs, as well as if you are looking to get as many Glyphs as possible that takes you to many boards.
Hard disagree. Min max will exist and there aren't that many options for specs. Players will choose boards for their spec, get the legendary nodes, then rares with surrounding blues. If there were 10+ options for specs (I.e. sorc 10+ fire variances, 10 lightning, 10 cold) then I would agree but there's so few boards available per class, it's nearly predetermined what people will get. It's currently the illusion of choice. I'll be the first to say I'm wrong and hope I am...but I can't see a fire sorc taking a cold board unless there's end game uniques which gives ice skills burning or flame damage. Couple other notes. You mentioned “5th board”. Devs said it was designed to players to use 3 total boards. Also the radius exists will increase with level.
I feel like, as you level, you get some amount of stats. So it's not that you have 0 willpower. And as far as I can tell, the board just requires you to have x number of stat, and not x number of stat on the board, unless specified otherwise (like with the glyphs)
Yeah, stats being sourced from both gear, Lilith statues, AND the board itself, I think is what will allow the Paragon Board to offer a lot of flexibility in build-crafting. A lot more flexibility than what most are even thinking. This will provide the min-maxxers with a lot to play with when it comes to theory-crafting, but casuals will be able to dump points into without having to think too much and still get decent benefit.
The total paragon points you can get in Diablo 4 is 228 which is the max with all paragon from renown and Lilith statues. I've already hit lvl 100 and did all of the renown and got all the Lilith statues on my own "minigun rogue" build I created with flurry/rapid fire. It's a total of 228. Reason why I didn't go meta twisting blades is because I know well enough about how blizzard nerfs meta builds into the ground coming from Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, and I didn't want to focus on a build I know shortly down the road will be permanently nerfed and nearly useless endgame. You get enough people showcasing how "op" the build is, and blizzard will nerf it, call it a "rebalancing". I will say following a build can give you an idea of how to properly stat your paragon board for max damage or giving yourself more survivability. Once you get a general idea, then you can explore the ideas of one of niche builds at a lvl 100 restat, provided you have the gear and the glyphs to complete the build. Also at level 100, pay close attention to your board, since gear and Lilith statues can give you base stats to ramp up.. you can really optimize a build once you reach level 100. To re-roll all of the paragon at lvl 100, you need 39,400 gold per node to respec.. you'll need at least 8,983,200 just to respec the total paragon to level 1. And depending on if you have to restat your skill tree, you're looking at an additional 4 million gold just for that. So you're going to need at least 12,500,000 (paragon and skill tree) to re-stat the entire build to something else. If you're just playing the game, and you have a decent build with at least 780+ gear set items maxed out, that 12.5 million gold won't take too long to acquire. This is also provided you're not re-rolling stats on your gear, which after awhile, can ramp up and get really expensive. It can get tedious especially when everyone is coming out with glass cannon builds that "melt" Uber Lilith with ease. I don't really understand the craze about Uber Lilith, aside from a very very low chance to get the six uber rare uniques, and a horse. Which now you can eventually get the uber uniques to drop from open world level 85+ helltide boxes, basically negates running Lilith all together. I rarely use my horse cause I build my classes around run speed and speed clearing, so out in the world I can run on foot nearly as fast as a horse, and I don't have to get off a horse to climb cliffs. Horses are great for mid game when you don't have the near max roll movement speed Boots or Amulets, but once you get them, the horse will be nearly obsolete in open world movements. It can get really expensive if you want to try different builds on the same class. And with the limited stash space, you're not going to make a lot of characters or builds on the fly since we don't have different loadouts that we can purchase with gold to unlock for a multiple build setup. I wish we had loadouts that we could respec into for different builds on each class, especially ones that we can put gear on, and it'll take it out of our inventory and be on a build permanently or until we remove an item or all items on that loadout. This way we can have one for Uber Lilith, and a farming character on each class for nightmares, or a direct PVP build.
I dunno, you say we are gonna all have different boards, but I feel like after a short while, theorycrafter will come up with an "optimal" board pathing for each class, that will vastly outperform other options. The differences will only be with different builds, probably, but that will get accomodates as well. The only way to really avoid that is to provide randomness in boards, or shake up the balance or numbers every now and then, and both are not great options. With finite number of paths, there will always be the best solution.
Did you make that spreadsheet? if not wondering if we can get a link. If so have you also made ones for the other classes? That condensed info is amazing and i really wish i had that for other classes. TY so much for the vid
Can't wait to get lost in the paragon boards. I love theory crafting and changing my build etc. I can see myself just sussing these boards for hours :) Thx for the vid.
I've been dutifully studying the paragon boards for a couple classes but unlike you I'm assuming they aren't correct and just heading into the game with as much knowledge as I can acquire so i can quickly adapt when the time comes. The huge missing link to all this is when, at what frequency, and at what quality will we start acquiring glyphs and is there anyway to influence this. We know they drop from nightmare dungeons and that might be all the control we have, but maybe there's a chance they can acquired from bushy tree bounties, timed zone wide events, world bosses, or possibly from event chests. Maybe this will be revealed when the review embargo drops. Thanks for the video
great explanation.. sound like it will need a lot of exploring + trial and error... hope respeccing costs wont be too prohibitive.. i know they mentioned it wont be to bad but it is still quite vague
Thanks for another great insightful video. However; the title of the video could be a little clearer. I wouldn't put it in the click bait category like mentioned in another comment, but I almost passed up the video since it wasn't clear what it was about. Your past videos/reputation was what got me to click on the video to do a deep dive. Content was great. D4 is a game that ARPGers are going to be talking about for years to come.
This is great introductory video to Paragon board, but let's be 100% honest..we all know people will go to the "best builds" to level / kill bosses /clear w/e and they will copy the best points, because people that know better than us will theorycraft and min max these boards for us plebs. :P
You can swap ‘em whenever. You start getting somewhat attached or sunk into glyphs when you finish a Nightmare dungeon and sink dungeon XP into a glyph leveling it up. But you can move glyphs around whenever.
You need to explain that on unlocking a legendary and for the full effect to work the number of ( let’s say intelligence) you need is not only unlocked on the board. Chances are you already have enough intelligence from the character you are playing. So your character stats ADD up with your paragon stats.
This is such a fantastic video that I think you should rename it so more players can find it when they're searching for a comprehensive Paragon tutorial. I actually had trouble finding it again because the title has no reference to D4 or the paragon system lmao Not a criticism, just a suggestion! Keep up the great work!
Man, someone should pay you for this XD I would have never done this whole analysis and would just "go with the flow", clueless and probably fail at it epically
I should have mentioned that your build will be different depending on how many boards/points you have. A 4 board build will be different to a 3 board build for example. You won't start off with a 4-5 board build (if you ever even get that far), you'll make your way up to it...making copy pasta builds even more difficult for this system....there are just so many variables. Come hang out @ twitch.tv/kanonxo
Yea it'll be interesting to see specs that use 3-5 boards etc.
Will you create build based on your unique item or your skill tree😂
Do you have this spreadsheet with the requirements for each class to share?
Plus 1, would love if you shared a copy of your gsheets.
Well, this game will be bit more like PoE in this regard, compared to D3. It might be worth thinking about the order when you theorycraft the level 100 build. Feels like noob bait to plug crucial resource or survival related board as the last one, making your character feel bad for the first 85 - 90 levels, until you actually reach the critical rare nodes and plug a huge glyph to that 4th board and such :D. And yeah, it's possible prioritising QoL board and pluggin it first, may make the build suboptimal on higher level and there might be respec required on 90 - 95+ to alter the board connections, orientation and pathing. Probably not always the case though. In PoE people usually solve this by adding multiple trees to PoB, which show you how the build author progressed through levels and it sometimes includes a respec at some point. Would be nice to have similar functionality in the D4 skill builder - switch that you flip to see level 50, 70, 90 and 100 version of the build for example. That offers that extra level of guidance people will need to follow the build.
The best explanation I could find so far about the paragon board
I love, how (at least for now, not having played the endgame) there are a LOT of possible ways to build ones character/class. Thank you for explaining!
That's pretty cool. I just hope that "unoptimized builds" won't turn out to be trash in the endgame, so that you are pretty much forced to follow a guide if you want to complete the content
@@fostena We can only hope. 🤞
There are many builds on each class and all classes are endgame capable
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Wow, great explanation for those of us Dwarves who haven't "delved too deep" into D4. I am really psyched for the depth of this game now. Thanks again Kanon, MORE!
Also, this really makes me realize just how Legendary and Rare drops will influence class builds. Good thing we have account-based items!
There's some gnarly elites in them dungeons
Nice explanation, very helpful! Minor note for 20:24 the cost increase seems to be linear, not exponential (~ +90 with each board)
Great video! Definitely will take this into my planning👌
One thing that many people don't seem to know is the each of the stats (STR, DEX, INT, WILL) will have different value for each class. Can't remember the exact matching basically it goes like this:
Rogue gets crit chance from INT and skill damage from DEX whereas the druid would get crit chance from STR and skill damage from WILL.
So only focussing on ach classes main stats without rly READING the stat description of ur class may criple ur build🤓
This is such an informative video! I knew most of this before, but it really woke me up to look at what boards I want to pick up in what order because going back and changing the first board will be a hassle!
Don't bother, wait until the actual game comes out as the website he's using is speculative data/info.
This is extremely valuable information presented in a highly clear way. Thank you very much!
This is the first video that I watched that made me actually understand how the board works good job man
Bro with another banger video. Keep them coming! This was sooooo informative, and I definitely learned a lot.
I find it engaging enough past 50 to keep a sense of progression for sure. It’s fun to plot a path trying to hit up certain rare nodes while getting to that legendary node. Thinking bout the path to take while considering maybe needing more dex, etc to activate bonuses of the rare nodes. I like it.
even though game is released and I have seen several other content creators explanation of paragon boards this is by far the best explanation I have seen. Thank you for the guidance.
Nice video man. At first I didn't think the Paragon Board was gonna be very interesting, but over the last week I've been getting deeper into it to try to figure out which direction to go with my Sorc, and there's definitely some tough choices to be made.
I'd think about the enchanter board solely for the 20% increase to enchantments. Only takes about 9 points i think.
you a real one for this. i didn't know the stat requirements went up later on in the board.
A rly great explanation that makes me want to dive into the parangon board myself, not following a build on a website
Thanks for such a detailed explanation of the paragon boards! This was a really informative video. Not gonna lie, the whole paragon system is pretty intimidating to me, so I really appreciate all of your hard work & I know I'll be learning tons from you in the future. Keep it up!
thank you so much
Great video. I didn’t understand paragon boards very well after watching others, this one made it click. 👍🏻
Well this video explained all my questions that i had in mind , so thank you for the time you spent to make this. I really appreciated
This info is HUGE. I'm really glad you taught this.
Thanks man!👍
The difference in power between people that know what they're doing and people that don't will be immense. Which is another reason why I think respec costs should be pretty low. There are going to be a ton of people that mess up their paragon boards and run into a progression wall.
Season 1 here blizzard sorc
Lvl 99 soon 100
I connected the dots on Paragon boards by myself and I like your explanation I see it just like you.
I have respec once and might do it again to save those points I got while I progressed and my char already doing over 80-90+ dungeons with so much dps.
holy MOLY this video is severely underrated. This will be the difference between those who survive and those who thrive in the burning hells
You single-handedly showed how complicated the Paragon system is while explaining it so I could understand it. TY!!!
This looks so cool can’t wait to try the game out it’s my first Diablo game just hope I don’t get disappointed haven’t been this happy about a game in like 3 years
It's a blizzard game. Be always careful with your expectations with them cause their records speak for themselves.
It's probably gonna be a fun ride tho. Most likely. Maybe.
Take your time with it and don't try to be a cookie cutter build. Hardcore offers an extreme adrenaline rush.
Something else easily missed is that the four stats do different things on each class. The defensive benefits are the same (Strength is always armor, Int resist, Dex is dodge, Willpower is +Healing), but the other effects vary by class. Most people probably expect Dex to be crit chance, which it is on Barbarian, but Rogue gets Crit Chance from Int. I suspect most classes will want to go with their Main Stat (which is +Skill Damage) and whatever stat gives crit chance. So Rogues will probably do mostly Dex/Int. Rogues won’t want to invest in strength because the only thing Strength provides is armor, making nodes that require strength less desirable.
I was sleeping on this. This literally restored my faith in an endgame.
Also, thank you.
Fantastic video, I had no idea how complex the system was. I just hope Blizzard understands this and makes any respec costs minimal, because it's gonna take a LOT of experimentation for all of us to figure this stuff out. I do not want to find out at level 80 that my build is critically broken and have it cost something insane to fix it. That would give me flashbacks to D2 where you had 1 respec and god forbid you naively used it too early.
You actually get 1 for each difficulty, but that system was meant to be if your getting wrecked in your new difficulty you can change things up but I've had to scrap more than a few d2 characters because even after respec I wasn't good enough
Well explained and nice to follow. Thank you so much!
The Paragon board will probably be the most important thing in character builds for hardcore players (not hardcore characters), especially PvPers
Pvp has been described as a slaughter fest instead of balanced dueling. While the board obviously matters, I doubt they matter 'more' for pvp. If anything, they matter 'less' compared to pve, due to both the numbers of players participating and time spent doing so, and the balancing of pvp itself. That doesn't mean we're not going to see elitist pvpers talking about how crucially important paragon boards are, but be mindful that the loudest people often are not the standard candle they present themselves as, and frequent talking points are not more important than straightforward or easy mechanics that don't require as much thought. Paragon boards will be a core component of the overall build (also including skills and itemization), but builds require cohension between all core parts. They are all important.
@@HeartsOfGreyit's not a slaughter fest. I think it's pretty balanced you have to hit your buffs and crowd controls better and dodge. If you don't it will be a slaughterfest in pvp.
Thank you dude, saving this to come back to in a few days!
Hands down THE BEST Paragon detailed video I've seen. You have earned a new sub 😊
If you have these Google Sheet(s) to share so we don't have to make our own, that'd be fantastic!
Thank you for the awesome explination. I love that you use excell to help with the planing.
Very informative video, I knew paragon boards have some depth but I didn't expect it to be this deep, for someone who loves to fiddle with builds and experiment this is really cool.
Finally, I understand the paragon board system thanks to you! This was by FAR the best explanation I have come across - Thank You so much you just got a new subscriber. Given the importance of these boards and the fact that the order of the boards are super important, Blizzard better not make changes to these boards willy-nilly because that will definitely fk everyone up. I like how dynamic the paragon board system is, it's fun because it's highly likely a lucky gear drop could make or break your plans, or even enable a different path altogether. Any system that promotes uniqueness among players is a good thing.
building is going to be completely based on your drops, so i wouldnt worry so much with paragon when we already are familiar with it from other games, and to be honest just focusing on one tree is going to be just fine, i wouldnt talk down to players about their experience. as you just said it isnt cookie cutter so there will be a lot of trial and error. but ultimately just like any blizz game there will be the best builds that rise above
As far as i understand, the stat cost of activating the second rare effect from the glyph doesn't go up with the number of boards you have, but rather with the distance that specific glyph is from your starting board. As such, placing the first 4 boards in a cross pattern (†) seems optimal. Cheers
this sounds like pretty neat information too
The paragon boards should also have a min to max amount of nodes as well as being organised differently within set rules of how distant they have to be from eachother etc.. They keep their legendaries and rares but, like rerolling a helmet for an improved stat (defense 7-11), the amount of INT, DEX, WILL etc. Nodes and inaccessible slots/paths are also arbitrary (Example: Deadly Ambush board = 200-250 INT nodes).
This will 100% guarantee that no 2 players can the same because
1:No 2 boards are the same .
2: The path to the desired glyph is also varied . So if you feel like making a spreadsheet, it will be for this specific character and whatever boards you want him to use.
Fantastic descriptions and concise information. Thank You Sir
Any chance of you doing the spreadsheet for all classes and sharing it in a google doc form of some kind
A lot of people have talked about this already, but none have stressed exactly how important it is to pay attention to as much as u did, which I appreciate a lot since I was preaching the same thing. Glyphs are almost always more powerful than Legendary nodes, so they ought to be ur focus going into each board on most occasions. That being said, completely saturating ur Glyph stat within the radius might be a very key strategy earlier on as opposed to progressing towards the next board and the one after that as it is certainly a bigger spike in power immediately. There is a lot of depth to this paragon system and will certainly define D4's endgame like nothing else could.
Very good video, great job
Clear and concise, thanks a bunch !
Like the videos. Subbed! Got the regular Diablo 4 for PS5, but ordered the collectors edition as well!
Make me rethink the application of gems in my gear!! Great video, many thanks!!!
How can you choose a glyph on a board that has more intelligence if the board the glyph is on doesn’t have the intelligence doesn’t make sense
Fantastic explanation, a masterclass! Claps to you man!
Agreed. Exceptional explanation. He make it very clear.
This was such a good video. I've been looking for something like this.
Thank you thank you thank you. You just explained how int Wis are really does matter. Thank you.
One thing to note is that it may be worth unlocking additional boards just to use the stat point bonus of the gates to reach thresholds for rare nodes in the boards you do actually fill. It seems that both sides of the gate give 5 of each stat, meaning you get a total of 40 stat points from spending a single paragon point.
But do those count? Don’t they need to be within a certain radius to count towards that?
Thank you. This was very useful but ooof... This new understanding of paragon boards makes me think I may have already messed up.
I wish I have found your video first....would have saved me hours. Thank you!
Hey been following your vids since the lost ark days. This is a great introduction thanks.
This is the best explanation ive seen on paragon boards.
Great explinantion , i couldnt understand during the devs stream but you explained it really well ❤
Good info, and reinforces the importance of acquiring all the statue of Lilith stat bonuses.
Yeah I did think the bonuses were ridiculously small but it makes more sense in light of the requirements for the paragon board. We had 28 statues, 25 of which gave stat boosts. That's about 125 over 5 acts so about 250 total stats. Considering some of my builds require up to 1900 stat points but that you get around 1200 from the paragon board, 250 is over a third of what's missing (assuming you need all four stats for a rare node or another, not all builds will need all four stats but then they'll also probably require much less than 1900 total points) so that's a pretty huge deal.
For my Rogue build, I would go from needing around 450 stats from gear to needing only 270 which is much more affordable (especially since a quarter of that is already guaranteed by one of the unique)
This is why I want the reset all paragon already. It's a pain to reset and try to build something else.
Thank you for your time in this video. It helped me a lot. I even go for Druid instead of Rogue now that I know that he can stay in Werewolf form. I wish they could make a druid not so fat :)
Hell nah the thicc druids fuckin rock
Came here expecting clickbait, leaving quite impressed... you backed up the title with some good info that is understandable!
Extremely helpful video. Subbed. Thank you for taking the time to upload this content! Happy Gaming!
I had no idea they made such a big thing of it. This information is very important. But I can't help but wonder how much all of this will mean ultimately. It still seems like when all is said and done, everyone going for the same type of build will end up with the same boards. Either organically with just a bit of variation because some were more efficient than others, or because they just used some online tool to calculate it for them.
Great video, thanks for breaking this down for the Diablo 4 community! Awesome job!
Have you had a chance to look at going into a 7th board on Rogue? I copied the poison trap uber lilith build and noticed that they stopped at 6 and then filled in stat puffers for the 6 sigils. I am currently reworking that to push the 7th board, and grab tons of elite damage and some extra vulnerable nodes.
This video basically emphasizes that there will definitely be a fixed/optimum build for the Paragon Boards. There is basically the illusion of choice if you want to play a meta/good build. If you wanna do your own thing that may be severely underpowered, then you can do whatever you want. At best, you can tweak a few points here and there.
- He says at 10:30 that you have to plan the order of the Boards because of stat requirements.
- Then at 14:31 he says that you need to plan your glyphs based on the stats provided by each board, this means that each glyph has an ideal board to be placed on.
I'm supper happy I came across this vid, thank you for the great info!
This is the best D4 video out right now.
Great video, it's definitely complex stuff when you layer it like that, min-maxing time boyyyy!
Thank you so much. I have a much better understanding. But you definitely broke my brain a bit😂
Keep up the great D4 content. You're my favorite Karaoke singer. Country roads, take me home!
great explanation! I would love to see a Google Docs with all the classes. Having it ready by tonight is fine...
oh my god hahahhaha i didnt knew that by taking that top node i unlock a new board! THANKS A FREAKING LOT! Also this tip on the glyph radius is amazing aswell!!! Thanks!
I like how I’m sleeping on the paragon board before I’ve even had access to it
Welcome to the new age brother.
The explanations was simply op.
I really like the potential complexity. My only hope is that blizzard didn't make a lot of mistakes with the overall balance. I know there's bound to be a broken mechanic or two but let's hope it's to a minimum.
Kanon looking young af with that haircut. Been a moment since I watched a video. Caught me off guard.
Wow amazing video great detail and easy to understand. Gained a sub for sure!
This was awesome, and yes it did put me to sleep but extremely helpful in my building.
From the sound of things it maybe better to look at OFF Stat boards for your class first, then near the end of you paragon look at you MAIN Stat as by that time you will have plenty of it added along the way.
Not to mention we don't know if our first Glyphs will come from a PoE type quest reward IE: pick one of x number of Glyphs, as well as if you are looking to get as many Glyphs as possible that takes you to many boards.
Solid info and no whining about nerfs and other assorted bs just positivity thank you.
Focus on getting all glyphs first , then its copy pasta , the main goal unlock all glyphs with the boards that allow you to do it the fastest
Hard disagree. Min max will exist and there aren't that many options for specs. Players will choose boards for their spec, get the legendary nodes, then rares with surrounding blues. If there were 10+ options for specs (I.e. sorc 10+ fire variances, 10 lightning, 10 cold) then I would agree but there's so few boards available per class, it's nearly predetermined what people will get. It's currently the illusion of choice. I'll be the first to say I'm wrong and hope I am...but I can't see a fire sorc taking a cold board unless there's end game uniques which gives ice skills burning or flame damage.
Couple other notes. You mentioned “5th board”. Devs said it was designed to players to use 3 total boards. Also the radius exists will increase with level.
Sleeping on something that we have barely any information on?
Give us some time Kanon!
I feel like, as you level, you get some amount of stats. So it's not that you have 0 willpower. And as far as I can tell, the board just requires you to have x number of stat, and not x number of stat on the board, unless specified otherwise (like with the glyphs)
Yeah, stats being sourced from both gear, Lilith statues, AND the board itself, I think is what will allow the Paragon Board to offer a lot of flexibility in build-crafting. A lot more flexibility than what most are even thinking. This will provide the min-maxxers with a lot to play with when it comes to theory-crafting, but casuals will be able to dump points into without having to think too much and still get decent benefit.
The total paragon points you can get in Diablo 4 is 228 which is the max with all paragon from renown and Lilith statues. I've already hit lvl 100 and did all of the renown and got all the Lilith statues on my own "minigun rogue" build I created with flurry/rapid fire. It's a total of 228.
Reason why I didn't go meta twisting blades is because I know well enough about how blizzard nerfs meta builds into the ground coming from Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, and I didn't want to focus on a build I know shortly down the road will be permanently nerfed and nearly useless endgame. You get enough people showcasing how "op" the build is, and blizzard will nerf it, call it a "rebalancing".
I will say following a build can give you an idea of how to properly stat your paragon board for max damage or giving yourself more survivability. Once you get a general idea, then you can explore the ideas of one of niche builds at a lvl 100 restat, provided you have the gear and the glyphs to complete the build. Also at level 100, pay close attention to your board, since gear and Lilith statues can give you base stats to ramp up.. you can really optimize a build once you reach level 100.
To re-roll all of the paragon at lvl 100, you need 39,400 gold per node to respec.. you'll need at least 8,983,200 just to respec the total paragon to level 1. And depending on if you have to restat your skill tree, you're looking at an additional 4 million gold just for that. So you're going to need at least 12,500,000 (paragon and skill tree) to re-stat the entire build to something else. If you're just playing the game, and you have a decent build with at least 780+ gear set items maxed out, that 12.5 million gold won't take too long to acquire. This is also provided you're not re-rolling stats on your gear, which after awhile, can ramp up and get really expensive. It can get tedious especially when everyone is coming out with glass cannon builds that "melt" Uber Lilith with ease.
I don't really understand the craze about Uber Lilith, aside from a very very low chance to get the six uber rare uniques, and a horse. Which now you can eventually get the uber uniques to drop from open world level 85+ helltide boxes, basically negates running Lilith all together. I rarely use my horse cause I build my classes around run speed and speed clearing, so out in the world I can run on foot nearly as fast as a horse, and I don't have to get off a horse to climb cliffs. Horses are great for mid game when you don't have the near max roll movement speed Boots or Amulets, but once you get them, the horse will be nearly obsolete in open world movements.
It can get really expensive if you want to try different builds on the same class. And with the limited stash space, you're not going to make a lot of characters or builds on the fly since we don't have different loadouts that we can purchase with gold to unlock for a multiple build setup.
I wish we had loadouts that we could respec into for different builds on each class, especially ones that we can put gear on, and it'll take it out of our inventory and be on a build permanently or until we remove an item or all items on that loadout. This way we can have one for Uber Lilith, and a farming character on each class for nightmares, or a direct PVP build.
I dunno, you say we are gonna all have different boards, but I feel like after a short while, theorycrafter will come up with an "optimal" board pathing for each class, that will vastly outperform other options. The differences will only be with different builds, probably, but that will get accomodates as well. The only way to really avoid that is to provide randomness in boards, or shake up the balance or numbers every now and then, and both are not great options.
With finite number of paths, there will always be the best solution.
Did you make that spreadsheet? if not wondering if we can get a link. If so have you also made ones for the other classes? That condensed info is amazing and i really wish i had that for other classes. TY so much for the vid
Incredible video mate. Subscribed looking forward to more!!
Can't wait to get lost in the paragon boards. I love theory crafting and changing my build etc. I can see myself just sussing these boards for hours :) Thx for the vid.
I've been dutifully studying the paragon boards for a couple classes but unlike you I'm assuming they aren't correct and just heading into the game with as much knowledge as I can acquire so i can quickly adapt when the time comes.
The huge missing link to all this is when, at what frequency, and at what quality will we start acquiring glyphs and is there anyway to influence this. We know they drop from nightmare dungeons and that might be all the control we have, but maybe there's a chance they can acquired from bushy tree bounties, timed zone wide events, world bosses, or possibly from event chests.
Maybe this will be revealed when the review embargo drops.
Thanks for the video
great explanation.. sound like it will need a lot of exploring + trial and error... hope respeccing costs wont be too prohibitive.. i know they mentioned it wont be to bad but it is still quite vague
Bro making me turn on my brain before I have my coffee, Great vid very useful info.
Amazing video, learned a lot! Thank you 🙏
Thanks for another great insightful video. However; the title of the video could be a little clearer. I wouldn't put it in the click bait category like mentioned in another comment, but I almost passed up the video since it wasn't clear what it was about. Your past videos/reputation was what got me to click on the video to do a deep dive.
Content was great. D4 is a game that ARPGers are going to be talking about for years to come.
Thanks for the great video man! Also you're misusing "quadratically increasing" a quadratic increase of 270 would be 72900 ;)
im gonna need to watch this again.
This is great introductory video to Paragon board, but let's be 100% honest..we all know people will go to the "best builds" to level / kill bosses /clear w/e and they will copy the best points, because people that know better than us will theorycraft and min max these boards for us plebs. :P
Great vid Kanon. One question: can you change Glyphs on the fly or are they in place for ever?
You can swap ‘em whenever. You start getting somewhat attached or sunk into glyphs when you finish a Nightmare dungeon and sink dungeon XP into a glyph leveling it up. But you can move glyphs around whenever.
You need to explain that on unlocking a legendary and for the full effect to work the number of ( let’s say intelligence) you need is not only unlocked on the board. Chances are you already have enough intelligence from the character you are playing. So your character stats ADD up with your paragon stats.
This is such a fantastic video that I think you should rename it so more players can find it when they're searching for a comprehensive Paragon tutorial. I actually had trouble finding it again because the title has no reference to D4 or the paragon system lmao
Not a criticism, just a suggestion! Keep up the great work!
just subscribe and look through his videos lol
@@pickle4289 I did just that! I meant for other people who don't know about his channel or videos.
@@pescieccellenti3989 true
Man, someone should pay you for this XD I would have never done this whole analysis and would just "go with the flow", clueless and probably fail at it epically
Some great info here, thanks!