What If The World Never Ends?

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    What if, one far-off day, humanity were to achieve everything they could ever hope to? The comfort might be nice... but how would you cope with an eternity of boredom?
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  • @TheTaleFoundry
    @TheTaleFoundry  8 місяців тому +190

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    • @laurence4352
      @laurence4352 8 місяців тому +2

      Did you change the Title of this video? I swear it was different....

    • @crazy13alex
      @crazy13alex 8 місяців тому +1

      Hello, Sir Tale. I've been following you for awhile and this topic has fascinated and scared me in equal measure. If you follow the story of Final Fantasy XIV, there is an expansion that explores this concept at the apex of its story. It is hauntingly beautiful.

    • @juderobbins6112
      @juderobbins6112 8 місяців тому

      You should really do a video on alternate history.

    • @michaelguerrieri3486
      @michaelguerrieri3486 8 місяців тому

      Do an article on book fair.

    • @GregorianFrench
      @GregorianFrench 8 місяців тому +1

      Can’t wait for 2026 where we are finally immortal

  • @No-uc6fg
    @No-uc6fg 8 місяців тому +3734

    Surprised you didn't mention the patch of sidewalk grass that nobody has ever stepped on in the last 17000 years, and the guy who cuts the grass uses a ride-on mower so he never has stepped on it either. I really like that part. It highlights how routinesque life has become.

    • @TheTaleFoundry
      @TheTaleFoundry  8 місяців тому +568

      I have also seen that Jacob Geller video :)
      -Benji, showrunner

    • @abstrusepaladin
      @abstrusepaladin 8 місяців тому +108

      ​@@TheTaleFoundrySounds like the best collab between creators who hardly ever collab.

    • @kilmcm45
      @kilmcm45 8 місяців тому +46

      ​​@@TheTaleFoundryfeels like the origin of that Star Trek TNG episode with the Space Mormons that love sex and put ppl to death for disturbing this one particular patch of flowers.

    • @maxhadanidea
      @maxhadanidea 8 місяців тому +7

      why is your pfp Stu Pickles wearing COOL DUDE sunglasses

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 8 місяців тому +21

      How long until someone hears about this sidewalk grass, spends the next few dozen years building a tower next to it, and then jump off the tower hoping to "step" on the grass so hard it leaves a crater? (It's not like such a fall you kill you in this world.)

  • @ayaehab
    @ayaehab 8 місяців тому +248

    the heaven bit reminds of "The good place" , when they find that the good place is a place so routinely boring, the residents hate it there.

    • @ashrunzeda4099
      @ashrunzeda4099 8 місяців тому +12

      Is that the show? Cause iirc, the good place is actually hell, not heaven.
      Only in the end did a "good place" actually manifest.

    • @ayaehab
      @ayaehab 8 місяців тому +22

      @@ashrunzeda4099 when they first got into the good place, it was boring for the current residents, not the 4 we have been following.

    • @foodybreezy4964
      @foodybreezy4964 8 місяців тому +12

      It’s was designed to be boring because that was their hell. The idea of the show was that killing and stabbing and being scared forever isn’t the only torturing method in hell, infinite boredom is another way of torturing in hell.

    • @crystalyue5701
      @crystalyue5701 8 місяців тому +24

      @@foodybreezy4964 No, in the 4th season at the end when the 4 *actually* went to heaven, it turned out that heaven wasn't perfect, rather extremely boring for people who've already experienced everything they've wanted so have nothing left

    • @minaballerina
      @minaballerina 8 місяців тому +7

      @@crystalyue5701EVENTUALLY it became boring, but it’s implied that they spent a very long time there before they got bored

  • @XaviusNight
    @XaviusNight 8 місяців тому +158

    I've always felt that a 'perfect paradise' isn't one where there is no conflict and no want, but rather one that *always* resolves it - there's never any loose ends, there's never any dissatisfaction. Because otherwise, it's not perfect because people would get bored, and then there's want and conflict again against the very idea. A perfect world isn't one where you are just given what you want, but a world where absolutely everyone gets what they want after working for it, and it is engineered to feel satisfying to their level of desire and effort.

    • @megapaimon8309
      @megapaimon8309 8 місяців тому +14

      I think the perfect world wouldn't have the ultimate problem to solve rather than find a solution for everything and when that's done man kind could spread creativity through all the world😊

    • @Fire_Axus
      @Fire_Axus 7 місяців тому

      your feelings were irrational

    • @XaviusNight
      @XaviusNight 7 місяців тому +6

      @@Fire_Axus I mean, that is the nature of feelings.

    • @heavy0119
      @heavy0119 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Fire_Axusare you new here? That’s how feelings tend to be

    • @solarisNT-v4j
      @solarisNT-v4j 5 місяців тому

      In my opinion, any attempt to design a "perfect world" will eventually run into the same problem: human perception is finite while perfection is infinite. After a million years, a billion years, whatever, some imperceptible flaw in the design will have grown to destroy it in its entirety. You cannot plan for everything simply because it would take forever to make the plan.

  • @xjohnny1000
    @xjohnny1000 7 місяців тому +179

    Lack of conflict does not equal boredom. Without the constant stress of physical survival, I would write books, make games, become an expert woodworker, get a masters in horticulture then another in astrophysics. I could fill a century just with the random things in my head right now. I would bet that 10,000 years would go by and I would still have a ton of things left on my to-do list.

    • @mattdombrowski8435
      @mattdombrowski8435 7 місяців тому +49

      I've always thought that the argument "I wouldn't want to live forever because I'd get bored" is indicative of a lack of imagination and little more.

    • @hen-nt1cl
      @hen-nt1cl 7 місяців тому +3

      yeah this "story" sounds terrible.

    • @mattdombrowski8435
      @mattdombrowski8435 7 місяців тому +18

      @@hen-nt1cl I encourage you to give it a try. Imho it's very well written. The characters being bored doesn't mean you will be. Otherwise you'll miss the chapter that is a funeral for a light bulb.

    • @AnglandAlamehnaSwedish
      @AnglandAlamehnaSwedish 7 місяців тому +1

      No

    • @coisasdewookie8668
      @coisasdewookie8668 6 місяців тому +11

      when you actually become imortal you maybe think, I do I need to do all of this? I will forget, or why should I do that now? I have infinite time ahead... Like infinite procrastinations

  • @idklol781
    @idklol781 7 місяців тому +15

    my favourite part of 17776 is where the hubble space telescope gets brought up for 1 line for like a cutaway gag

  • @FullPounder
    @FullPounder 8 місяців тому +757

    A wise man once said
    "Living forever means having enough time to explore the world so thoroughly that you could consider each and every blade of grass a landmark"
    That wise man is me. I thought of it while on a walk the other day.

    • @Solstice261
      @Solstice261 8 місяців тому +56

      Great sentence, I will quote it probably some day, hope you don't mind

    • @ecogreen123
      @ecogreen123 8 місяців тому +23

      sounds beautiful to me, but that's probably just me.

    • @blindedjourneyman
      @blindedjourneyman 8 місяців тому +22

      not too shabby. I too will borrow that and reference ya

    • @stolenhero6650
      @stolenhero6650 8 місяців тому +21

      You my friend are not wise. Because if you lived that long and saw every single blade of grass on the planet (not mentioning that plants grow and die over time, and you're not everywhere all at the same time, constantly watching all things) you'd have probably left the planet at some point. Or spent enough time on it, for entirely new continents begin to form and change.

    • @megapaimon8309
      @megapaimon8309 8 місяців тому +2

      Truly a wise mans word's

  • @Slim-yu1ud
    @Slim-yu1ud 7 місяців тому +79

    People asking why, in their immortality, humans didn’t do other things. The answer is simple: John Bois wanted to write about two things. Those two things are the human experience and playing football forever.

    • @plumjet09
      @plumjet09 6 місяців тому

      Nice paragraph. His first name is Jon, not John btw.

    • @Slim-yu1ud
      @Slim-yu1ud 6 місяців тому

      @@plumjet09 I know. Spelling error.

  • @ggdynfytugfy6892
    @ggdynfytugfy6892 8 місяців тому +113

    Im not immortal, so obviously I don’t know how this would really hold up, but I love the idea of getting to live forever with everyone else, and just. Hang out. Get as good as I’d like to at everything, make lots of art, get ideas for more art from the art I just made, etc. Etc.

    • @joshualawrence2963
      @joshualawrence2963 8 місяців тому +2

      Yeah! I think itd be really cool too!

    • @parchmentengineer8169
      @parchmentengineer8169 8 місяців тому +15

      Genuinely I think if I had to live in any fictional world, it would have to be 17776. Any other world would be cooler, but it would always be finite. This world is still more than cool enough, so why not just hang out here forever?

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 8 місяців тому +6

      @@vaelegoro7782 That implies that our current copyright system will quite literally last forever, which is an absurd idea. Obviously our system would eventually be changed in order to accommodate immortality.

    • @kam8754
      @kam8754 8 місяців тому +5

      As an immortal among other immortals, its pretty sweet

    • @noriantiri9310
      @noriantiri9310 7 місяців тому +1

      @@parchmentengineer8169 but not being able to die is horrible...

  • @vitus.verdegast
    @vitus.verdegast 7 місяців тому +9

    I retired 2 months ago, I have all the money I'll ever need, a nice home in a lovely, safe community, I'm in perfect health, the kids are grown, my wife is gone, I have nothing to do but enjoy life-- but I'm bored.

  • @Firestar1992
    @Firestar1992 8 місяців тому +44

    Final Fantasy 14 actually explored these concepts relatively recently as well. There was a world mentioned where the people achieved perfection, and having done so, they became apathetic and created a creature to kill them all.

    • @Solstice261
      @Solstice261 8 місяців тому +6

      A lot of stories investigate that point of view, it's fairly common, what makes 17776 special is how no one really explores the desire to end that apathy is more about discovering a purpose where there is none, what do you do when you are no longer needed? Way to often it's turned into a cautionary tale and the answer is "there is nothing left, we must regain our mortality" I find that point of view relatively simple and overdone by comparison

    • @rafsandomierz5313
      @rafsandomierz5313 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Solstice261 It may be overdone but that's most likely what would happen.
      Hell we haven't solved half of the issues and people are already going crazy.

  • @marcult2594
    @marcult2594 7 місяців тому +12

    I can imagine someone watching this in the year 17776 and wondering why their ancestors thought a life where they have everything would be miserable

  • @ProfessorSlimSlam1988
    @ProfessorSlimSlam1988 7 місяців тому +2

    This feels like the story of buckshot roulette. People so bored with life they play with it even if they can come back

  • @unidentifiedperson1357
    @unidentifiedperson1357 8 місяців тому +6

    as soon as you started talking about not having any problems, and where the conflict comes from, it reminded me of one punch man. he is so powerful nothing challenges him and he's super bored

    • @rafsandomierz5313
      @rafsandomierz5313 8 місяців тому

      Being the most powerful super hero in the entire universe=super boredoom.

  • @bugz.f0r.brainz
    @bugz.f0r.brainz 8 місяців тому +48

    Eating a bacon egg sandwich while watching this, excited to hear the story it sounds super interesting. Edit: I have now watched the video completely, and I was correct because it was great

  • @yeoldeharbinger5880
    @yeoldeharbinger5880 8 місяців тому +12

    Finally one of my favorite stories covered on this channel. Excellent.

  • @TFVids
    @TFVids 8 місяців тому +15

    I was introduced to this story by Jacob Geller's video on it. It's a really fascinating take on the future, humanity and what we do to fill our time.

    • @parchmentengineer8169
      @parchmentengineer8169 8 місяців тому

      WAIT THERE'S A JACOB GELLER VIDEO ABOUT 17776 THAT I MISSED?

    • @TFVids
      @TFVids 8 місяців тому

      It's called "Cities without people" I really recommend it. It ties in Microsoft Flight Simulator, Ubiquity of cars, Climate change, and Football 17776.@@parchmentengineer8169

    • @serraramayfield9230
      @serraramayfield9230 8 місяців тому

      @@parchmentengineer8169"Cities Without People"

    • @joshuaannis7718
      @joshuaannis7718 7 місяців тому

      @@parchmentengineer8169 Not about 17776, but there is one where he mentions it

  • @calebo.3577
    @calebo.3577 8 місяців тому +12

    "an eternity of boredom" is like, the biggest thing I struggle with in terms of faith and afterlife, and it's rare to see that idea articulated haha

  • @mindstormmaster
    @mindstormmaster 8 місяців тому +6

    I absolutely love this story so happy to see you covering it!

  • @CelanoTheHarpy
    @CelanoTheHarpy 7 місяців тому +8

    I've never understood the idea of how such a life could be "boring." All the places to go. All the things to do and see.The books to read. The movies and shows and plays to watch. The skills to learn. The projects to build and the art to create. Singing and dancing and going to concerts. The people to meet and hopefully befriend. Even with endless time and resources, and no deadly dull means of survival job to hold me back, I do not believe I could ever run out of things to do, even assuming this is the only planet worth being on.

  • @GallowglassVT
    @GallowglassVT 8 місяців тому +5

    One thing that also potentially undermines the utopian angle is that the lack of changeover from generation to generation will lead to a stagnation in ideas, and assuming the older folks are of a conservative mindset and already feeling hopeless, it might just lead to a kind of millennarian movement that wants to effectively bring about armaggedon. That would make a good commentary on modern Christian nationalism and its tendency, from my perspective, to advocate for policies that seemingly set up the rapture (you can't convince me otherwise that THAT particular kind of Christian are anything except members of a death cult).

  • @rafsandomierz5313
    @rafsandomierz5313 8 місяців тому +1

    The problem with boredom is that brains go crazy after a while in that state and start creating problems on their own whether life is good or not.
    Brains are irrational and rational at the same time when not pressured and pressured at the same time.

  • @josecarlosmoreno9731
    @josecarlosmoreno9731 7 місяців тому +2

    It's interesting that boredom is seen as so inevitable, that people can't imagine a world without it. Why can't you be content with peace for eternity? Is not boredom then similar to other negative traits such as greed, narcissism, etc? Those who see peace as boring are sick, they are one of the many reasons why we cannot have peace.

    • @krissytube
      @krissytube 28 днів тому +1

      And people live off of that phenomenon. Ever met someone that brings drama everywhere they go? Tiring.

  • @ScottLaceyMN
    @ScottLaceyMN 4 місяці тому

    This kind of reminds me of a short story I read in the 80's. Don't remember the title or the magazine it was in. It was about a drug for immortality being discovered in the gut of pigs in the late 1800's. Because everyone could live for hundreds or thousands of years, they became more cautious. There was even a Noble prize for Safety. One man had the drug given to him when he was 12 and so always appeared to be twelve. In the end, due to accidental deaths and humans being bored, he ended up being the last human on earth and was visited by an alien from another star. BTW, I have just started watching your videos. Very well done and insightful. Thanks!

  • @YellowFella459
    @YellowFella459 5 місяців тому +1

    If i lived in that utopia i would have an existential crisis and then relize there is nothing stoping me gathering the whole global population and make an ultra emersive dnd campaign with each enemy as its own person and since no one can die the combat will also be ultra realistic and each player even enemys have their own mission and backstory

  • @KlaxontheImpailr
    @KlaxontheImpailr 8 місяців тому +2

    There's another problem about immortality that fascinates me. You know how time feels like it speeds up as you get older? Would that eventually plateau or would it just keep speeding up? Like, one moment you're celebrating your 10,000th birthday, the next, the universe has ended.

  • @calmkat9032
    @calmkat9032 8 місяців тому +2

    This trope is soo underused. I only know of 17776, an SCP story called "E is for Eternity", and maybe "Friday Black" counts? There's so much room for horror stories and scifi/fantasy and all sorts of genres.

    • @johnroach9026
      @johnroach9026 7 місяців тому +1

      E is for Eternity terrifies me a lot more than 17776 actually. 17776 seems like a relatively chill place to be forever - you get to hang out infinitely, and the chance for new stimuli exponentially increases the more humans we throw into the equation. E is for Eternity is just that - an eternal sunny island with nobody to speak to and virtually nothing to do - the 2 glorified sex dolls nonwithstanding. It provides us with our base needs of food, water and shelter and nothing else. An afterlife which constantly pumps pleasure into your brain forever sounds more appealing than that

  • @yk8437
    @yk8437 4 місяці тому

    A Utopia isn't a place to settle down for eternity. It's the place you go back to, when the scars of your journey demand the best environment to heal.

  • @emmettobrian1874
    @emmettobrian1874 8 місяців тому +1

    I've discussed how to write a story without the possibility of death or significant harm. My approach is two people (or groups) have a disagreement on what the best course of action is, say building a bridge vs. tunnel to get to a destination. Either are functionally correct for different reasons. There can be conflict without the threat of significant harm.

  • @KawaiiHamsteruwubean69
    @KawaiiHamsteruwubean69 8 місяців тому +1

    This book, for me, reminds me of the importance of art anf entertainmentwhen there are no real discoveries to make, we make our own

  • @lonniehicks8007
    @lonniehicks8007 4 місяці тому

    This video made me ponder. If I lived forever. Woke up every morning. Made a single brick? What could/would I build?

  • @fleetingselfconfidence612
    @fleetingselfconfidence612 7 місяців тому

    I’m surprised you never mentioned “the good place” as it tackles the theme of immortality being its own torture super well

  • @jknifgijdfui
    @jknifgijdfui 7 місяців тому

    there was also an episode of duckman where duckman accidentally creates a utopia only for it to turn into a dystopia like 3 days later cause everyone got bored

  • @shooey-mcmoss
    @shooey-mcmoss 8 місяців тому +3

    The Longing has ended

  • @nehukybis
    @nehukybis 7 місяців тому

    I experienced this horror as a child. I was a devout Christian. I liked going to church. I loved music. But there's a verse in Amazing Grace that goes "when we've been there ten thousand years, bright shining as the sun, we've no less days to sing god's praise than when we'd first begun". I had only been around for ten or eleven years at this point. The idea of nothing ever changing *forever* absolutely horrified me. It wasn't the main reason I stopped believing, but it was the beginning.

  • @TSMSnation
    @TSMSnation Місяць тому

    6:05 if there is no one who wants more than everyone else, and is willing to do anything to get it. then something has changed, because its only natrual for such a person to exist. for them to not exist it means something would have to be changing, or removing that kind of person.

  • @PanzerfaustBR
    @PanzerfaustBR 8 місяців тому +2

    Obviously, it was not written by a mathematician... otherwise, the first question would be "so, what about Riemann hypothesis?" and the second question would be "why isn't everyone a mathematician?". Mathematics is, in a very strict sense, more infinite than time itself.

  • @tomcombe4813
    @tomcombe4813 8 місяців тому +7

    I love this assumption.
    Our caveman ancestors had one worry in life, food! I bet they imagined "when we don't have to worry about food anymore then all our problems will be solved."
    But here we are. Food is no longer a worry, in fact some of us have too much of it, yet we are just as stressed and busy as we ever were because we had to create economies, money and jobs to provide the population with things like food.
    Solving problems inherently creates more problems. We will always have things to worry about.

  • @Ramirez_7651
    @Ramirez_7651 5 місяців тому

    “What good is a world that goes on forever? That sounds pretty lame!”
    ~ a certain blue hedgehog

  • @EccentricGentelman
    @EccentricGentelman Місяць тому

    It seems a popular idea in our age that immortality would certainly be a curse, a far cry from the past where alchemists searched for the secret to immortality and emperors were willing to pay any price for it.
    But if I may offer a counter argument, this idea that immortality would certainly lead to boredom, that you will do, see, know and experience everything possible to the point where there is no more, depends entirely on the unproven theory that there IS a finite number of these different things.

  • @sophiaisabelle01
    @sophiaisabelle01 8 місяців тому +5

    We appreciate your insights. Keep working hard.

  • @christopherflux6254
    @christopherflux6254 7 місяців тому

    An eternity of boredom would be infinitely worse than death.

  • @irystocrattakodachithatmooms
    @irystocrattakodachithatmooms 5 місяців тому

    This makes me think that perhaps you should cover Crymachina, a game that I'm really not willing to say much about. It's one where you should really experience it for yourself. There are some of the same themes in it as in The Talos Principle as well. The biggest difference is that Crymachina has a cast consisting mostly of cute anime girls.

  • @alexandredesmarais3848
    @alexandredesmarais3848 7 місяців тому

    It would be important to mention what happens to the children in a setting like this. If nobody can age they would forever have the body of children but be thousands of years old mentally. That must be an interesting experience.

  • @TheAnax
    @TheAnax 8 місяців тому +2

    I think a perfect Utopia would be great. The ultimate utopia means we'd have some kind of AI or virtual system where we are essentially energy and able to create our own realities. In other words if you didn't like the utopia you could make your own reality where you're downtrodden and exploited by corporations so you can be happy. If you have the ability to generate infinite realities for yourself, you cannot ever grow bored or upset. You can just make more.

    • @rafsandomierz5313
      @rafsandomierz5313 8 місяців тому

      That sounds like a good idea but also sounds like where we already are.

    • @TheAnax
      @TheAnax 8 місяців тому +1

      @@rafsandomierz5313 Wow, I wish! I'd love to live in a world without money, physical needs, and eternal life and essentially have a pocket dimension/holodeck where I cam make infinite realities that feel and seem as real as this one, but, we're definitely not there yet. lol

    • @anonymousrandomness1374
      @anonymousrandomness1374 7 місяців тому +1

      I think that sounds like the most fun idea for either a utopia or an afterlife that I've heard of, especially if people can also share their realities with each other so there'd be infinite potential for exploring realized imaginations. And we could make our own versions of whatever fictional realities we love, and share those like fanfiction but with perfect VR, etc...

    • @TheAnax
      @TheAnax 7 місяців тому

      @@anonymousrandomness1374 Exactly. This is actually my hope or theory of what an afterlife is.

  • @frankjennings4489
    @frankjennings4489 7 місяців тому

    This reminds me of the mouse utopia experiment where the mice went crazy after a year of having all their needs provided for. People hqve more creative ways of keeping themselves entertqinwd but I think our hormones would drive us to much the same outcome.

  • @gamingwithdad5774
    @gamingwithdad5774 8 місяців тому

    The problem with boredom in a world where all problems have been solved is, well, all problems are SUPPOSED to have been solved. And boredom IS a problem…

  • @Hikouma
    @Hikouma 7 місяців тому

    Ryukishi07 writes stories that talk about this topic. The human mind wouldnt be able to take it. Eventually the boredom would drive you insane and you'd start doing demented things just to entertain yourself.

  • @MrMo-zf4ul
    @MrMo-zf4ul 6 місяців тому

    Best believe there'll be an anti-utopic place in this universe, a collection of people who simply refused immortality

  • @notahandle965
    @notahandle965 7 місяців тому +1

    Stories/concepts like these are extremely short sighted.
    Old people for example arent stuck in their ways because of stubbornness, but rather because many new things legitimately are no good and rely on the novelty factor that young people find attractive, but old people have already experienced the end of. Old people also cease participating simply because theyre tired. Back when they were young, they were likely extremely belligerent by the standards of their grandchildren. If they had their youth into advanced age, they could easily keep things interesting.
    This also disregards the vastness of space and whats possible if we have the time to explore it all. Give people a reason, theyll build a navy from scratch. Similarly, give people a reason and theyll turn an uninhabitable planet into a civilization unlike any before. The reason would be psychological--everything is psychological. Peoples revolt against an eternity of boredom is more than enough.
    Theres also the issue of the assumption that the nanobots cant or wont be cracked, or that people couldnt experience pain. Immortals are only immune to death, but not pain, and thus not torture. To say this would never come about is just plot armor.
    Then theres the fact that not only is change guaranteed to occur after thousands of years, but all of our research on language and cultural evolution says that humans in this scenario would in fact evolve and adapt to this new condition into a culture and even species thats unrecognizable to anything we've ever seen.
    This calls into question if the nanobots really arent mind controlling them. Its inescapable--the nanobots are made by humans, and whoever made it reflected their beliefs into their invention which caused this issue.
    Then there's the fact that a "perfect" society is a meaningless concept and we've known this for thousands of years with our first discussions on the just city. Societies are tools to be maintained and modified to fit and aid the welfare of human nature, not the other way around. As such, you cannot create a society that makes everyone perfectly anything without extreme behavioral engineering, which defeats the purpose.

  • @Galimeer5
    @Galimeer5 8 місяців тому

    In his video essay "Cities Without People," Jacob Geller describes 17776 as "post-utopia"
    You've achieved everything. Now what?

  • @dungeonmaster217
    @dungeonmaster217 8 місяців тому +1

    Greg Egan criticized this in one of his short stories. We only say things like "death gives a value to life" because we don't have any alternatives.

    • @Valgween
      @Valgween 8 місяців тому

      can you give me the name of the short story.

    • @dungeonmaster217
      @dungeonmaster217 8 місяців тому

      @@Valgween Border Guards

    • @noriantiri9310
      @noriantiri9310 7 місяців тому

      Having freedom means having the right to choose or not to choose something. Having the freedom to live implies the freedom to take your own life as well. A life where one could not choose to have its life cut short and live eternally is a dystopia

    • @dungeonmaster217
      @dungeonmaster217 7 місяців тому

      @@noriantiri9310 yep, exactly what is in that story. Protagonist wakes up after hybernation, and soon after that his friend voluntarily takes his own life. Not a big spoiler cause it's almost in the beginning. But it criticises all this "death gives a value to life" rhetoric, and that life in utopia will be boring.

  • @kloothommel6569
    @kloothommel6569 8 місяців тому

    Had a couple of times in my life I felt like there arent any problems, I dont have responsibility's, im completely contempt with where I am. And yet in the back of my head I always felt like I had troubles to sort out. Responsibility's I need to take care of. Eventhough I was struggeling to come up with what that would be. I guess my brain is kind of programmed to work towards a greater goal in life. And in fact I prefer it that way. I find the lack of a greater goal in life boring. It suits my personality to work towards something slowly, getting every day a little closer to what I want to achieve. Its something that drives me. It gives me a purpose

  • @TesloGuy
    @TesloGuy 8 місяців тому

    Him swearing at 7:10 is jarring

  • @nicketaevani-fzukunf007
    @nicketaevani-fzukunf007 8 місяців тому +1

    It didn't turned out to be a dystopia but is the world getting stuck in time really a utopia though.
    Does it fit the meaning of utopia? Is it also a realistic utopia?

  • @янонея-ш4я
    @янонея-ш4я 7 місяців тому

    This has got to be a fate worse than death

  • @robynmaag1266
    @robynmaag1266 6 місяців тому

    I read 17776 last week and this just popped up in my feed. I've been watching you for a while too so it's kinda wild haha

  • @DundG
    @DundG 7 місяців тому

    Actually, that sounds like utopia! You become truly your own master and nothing stops you from experiencing everything, until you arrive on truly focusing on the smallest, most seemingly insignificant things in life and truly take as much time as needed to experience it in depths unimaginable for us modern humans. I imagine practicing meditation becomes increasingly popular to learn the art of truly focusing on the now and here, to experience any moment as clearly as possible.

  • @BerenElendilAPGaming
    @BerenElendilAPGaming 8 місяців тому

    Without suffering, joy loses its meaning. On this side of life, we need both in some measure to be content.
    If anyone could tell me the name of this story, I'd appreciate it: a supposedly perfect society free from negativity, but whenever a person reaches maturity, they are taken deep underground to see the truth. All the suffering and misery which the people would otherwise deal with is transferred onto a single child. The newly-matured person must then make a choice: can they live with that on their conscience? If they can't, they must leave the perfect society -- everything they had ever known -- and build a life for themselves outside, where their suffering is their own.

  • @hemidas
    @hemidas 8 місяців тому +1

    Ask Aeldari how it worked out for them.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 8 місяців тому +1

    in the Bible it is said that man was meant to be caretakers to make Heaven on earth but this video makes it seems that the future could make the earth Purgatory.

  • @iferlyf8172
    @iferlyf8172 8 місяців тому

    It reminds me a bit of the real good place in The Good Place. There, you can obtain everything you can ever dream of instantly and effortlessly, you're in a constant state of bliss and there is no suffering or even discomfort or annoyances. But everyone there has become lethargic, unmotivated and uninterested in anything after a while. All the amazing things they could ever think of, they already enjoyed billions of time and they have become as mundane as breathing. The solution they found to this is a door that, when you cross it of your own free will, you cease to exist. No one has to cross it, you can sty as long as you want to, but just knowing that their time is finite, even if it's as long as they want it to, gave another spark of life in the people who have been there for thousands of years

  • @mattfoster3570
    @mattfoster3570 8 місяців тому

    Timing couldn't be better. I just started reading Sir Thomas More's Utopia.

  • @dalton6173
    @dalton6173 7 місяців тому

    Scythe book series. A fairly well written version of this story with a twist.

  • @CraigStevenLikesStuff
    @CraigStevenLikesStuff 8 місяців тому

    I absolutely LOVE seeing channels I follow tackle topics/stories/fandoms that I'm into but wouldn't have expected them to touch. Everyone should give 17776 a fair shake.
    I would also highly reccomend Jon Bois' work on 'Pretty Good (A Show About Stuff that's Pretty Good)' and 'Chart Party.' He's got the 'sports content for non-sport fans' formula nailed down.

  • @zacvh
    @zacvh 7 місяців тому

    In an actual perfect world nobody would get bored though

  • @rubikfan1
    @rubikfan1 8 місяців тому +3

    i take imortal utopia in a hardbeat.
    dont need conflict.
    and if i feel like conflict, i just play a video game. or watch a movies. or read a book. there are easy over a million years worth of entertainment.
    also space would look much more appealing when earth is perfect. even if its just for exploration.
    also humans are very good at creating conflict. even in a utopia they will create more problems. as not every bodies utopia is the same.
    And that last part might be the key to a good stories. 2 states with unlimmed resourches. they are in conflict over how to make a utopia. but nobody can die. so this conflict is taking centuries.

  • @ZR3009
    @ZR3009 8 місяців тому

    This trope really made me think a lot. Immortality, stagnation, innovations...

  • @qweezinator6420
    @qweezinator6420 7 місяців тому

    In a world like that they will invent proper time travel in order to live in different eras, to challenge themselves

  • @FattyMcFox
    @FattyMcFox 7 місяців тому

    To be honest, i would take boredom over the soul destroying dread that eats away at my sanity and i have to constantly willpower through. If you tell me i will miss that dread and i should cherish it, i have nothing but contempt for your notions. I am not sure the novelty of feeling safe will ever wear off. And if it does, let me experience that for myself. That is why this is one of those stories of its kind i don't hate. We continue on, we challenge ourselves even with silly mundanity, our desire to play thrives. And it is a world i wouldn't wake up wondering how many times i will be told i need to be murdered.

  • @thathappyhat936
    @thathappyhat936 8 місяців тому

    I love talebot giving a brief explanation of what the endzone is in football

  • @ThomasClementAU
    @ThomasClementAU 7 місяців тому

    Jon Bois + Tale Foundry: The crossover we didn't know we needed.

  • @enuma-elise
    @enuma-elise 7 місяців тому

    Jon Bois is a brilliant writer. Besides this story, he is far and away the best person to get non-sports-fans interested in sports. I’ve never seen anybody tell such gripping stories with games and statistics. He can get anybody into football, same as he got me into science fiction.

  • @natebrown7968
    @natebrown7968 8 місяців тому +1

    I would totally live a boring life if it meant a perfect utopia

  • @Chitose_
    @Chitose_ 7 місяців тому

    the aspect is terrifying

  • @hal9733
    @hal9733 7 місяців тому

    I like the idea, but as a science nerd, there is no way they found the space "empty and boring" that just ticks me off

  • @15098D
    @15098D 8 місяців тому

    “If it’s not fun, why bother?”
    - Reggie

  • @r.ipeter6445
    @r.ipeter6445 8 місяців тому +1

    The closest thing to an utopia is the world described in the arc of the scythe by Neal Shusterman

  • @casanovafiems1508
    @casanovafiems1508 8 місяців тому

    Great video as always! This channel is like a hidden gem. I love the production and quality you bring! A lot of fiction review stuff is too basic and kid level. This channel goes above and beyond! Thank you for your great content!

  • @justtired2050
    @justtired2050 6 місяців тому

    The thing I’ve always thought about the concept of utopia is that it was impossible to exist because it would be impossible for imperfect beings (humans) to maintain a perfect society. In other words, a hypothetical utopia could only exist if the people inhabiting it were perfect, and since humans can’t be perfect neither can the societies they create/inhabit

  • @KuddlesbergTheFirst
    @KuddlesbergTheFirst 7 місяців тому

    What's it like living for thousands of years with little to no signs of aging and powerful?
    - Sleep.
    - Drink.
    - Touch yourself.
    - Destroy planets due to boredom.

  • @Redbamboo-fb1gq
    @Redbamboo-fb1gq 7 місяців тому

    (This message was written before watching the video) The future isn't boring. You just lack imagination

  • @Deathmittens1
    @Deathmittens1 3 місяці тому

    Amazing analysis

  • @Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters
    @Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters 7 місяців тому

    It's weird they abandoned space exploration so easily. Traveling between galaxies would be infinitely more entertaining than following the same routine every day in your city or even exploring the entirety of earth.
    Btw, there should still be geographic changes occuring in real time on earth. At least earth won't be the same forever, even if humans were.

  • @Name_Lessness
    @Name_Lessness 8 місяців тому

    I know a similarly different story. It asks if one would create, watch and participate in something that has no conflict, nothing produced, ever be remembered by anyone, no humor or competition, no stress or words, where nothing is to be gained or any positive or negative experiences to be had?
    Most people would say, "No of course not, that would be boring!" In response I'd bring attention to the fact that this is why people's lives are the way they are, simply because just sitting, meditating quietly to ones self is "boring". People seek conflict, create problems and seek fulfillment. The spirit however is an inward journey. It's the very opposite of seeking external fulfillment. Travel inwards and one may realize the inner world is far more of an enlightened experience. But at the end of the day even the most enlightened soul has to chop wood.

  • @MetricZero
    @MetricZero 8 місяців тому

    I've actually contemplated this a lot. For most people, it will be a problem of self actualization. For most of human history we've had gods and religions, but now we become as gods. It will be up to us to either look to the skies or dive inward to create and search.

  • @AbstractStew
    @AbstractStew Місяць тому

    Isn't boredom so much better than conflict and existential dread? No fear, no scarcity, and no sorrow. The perfect world.
    Also, no god you are expected to worship for eternity.

  • @Azillia
    @Azillia 7 місяців тому

    Theres many things that can cure boredom, doing something that makes you feel active, art, games, ect.
    But at What point in eternity, does humanity lose their creativity? At what point in time will there be nothing unique left to create when everything that can be imagined is done, especially if AI accelerates that process
    At that point, what do you do?
    What game will you make?
    What drawing will you do?
    What movie will you make
    What song will you create
    What do you do?

  • @TheOvadex
    @TheOvadex 7 місяців тому

    This seems perfect to me. I would have the time to explore the universe seeing all the disparate wonders. Wouldn't even need faster than light travel.

  • @tomfoolery-4444
    @tomfoolery-4444 8 місяців тому

    13:20 It's true. I pitched 17776 as a video topic TWO YEARS ago, swearing left and right it was some of the best sci fi he'd ever read, but it had football in the title so he had negative interest. Still haven't figured out how to recommend this in a way that doesn't sound absolutely bizarre and batshit

  • @metaKnightSpamer777
    @metaKnightSpamer777 8 місяців тому

    'The Lightbulb has been lost...'

  • @Omegaroth666
    @Omegaroth666 8 місяців тому

    Honestly, that was such a good twist. I totally forgot it came from a sports website.

  • @olekristianrannekleiv762
    @olekristianrannekleiv762 7 місяців тому

    Why would people be bored? In the future we can alter our brains so we are never bored, always contented etc.

  • @HypotheticalCrow
    @HypotheticalCrow 8 місяців тому

    This is so lovely thank you for making it.

  • @peterolbrisch8970
    @peterolbrisch8970 7 місяців тому

    There is no such thing as a boring world, only boring people.

  • @JBerg_
    @JBerg_ 9 днів тому

    If there are 8 billion people you can spend 21 million years hanging out with each one of them for a day and by the time you're done you won't have hung out with the first person in 21 million years.

  • @ephloner
    @ephloner 8 місяців тому

    This was explored in the MMORPG FFXIV: Endwalker. A civilization had reached their pinnacle and had no more adversity, disease, or death. They were so desperately bored that they created a god that granted them death.

  • @matthewsimmons9277
    @matthewsimmons9277 7 місяців тому

    All the time in the world to beat every 100+hr jrpg ever.

  • @Kemot300
    @Kemot300 7 місяців тому +1

    11:55 - So no one even tried to create a Laser-Shooting Dinosaur cyborg?

  • @Solstice261
    @Solstice261 8 місяців тому

    Yes, I love football 17776, it's extremely reflective, and I will never stop being amazed that it comes from a sports magazine, and I am not even American so a lot of customs and cultural stuff fly over my head