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Have you thought about doing a video on tonal shifts? How a story could start out as a raunchy comedy, but then reveals its way deeper and actually heartfelt. With maybe examples of how a story can benefit or become inconsistent from this.
@@annasolovyeva1013 What are you thinking bigotry means? Bigots are perfectly fine with villains being really evil, because bigotry IS part of a character being shown as evil. (namely, how they interact with women not being exactly the nicest or healthiest way to do so....)
@@Vaeldarga particular kind of bigots - fanatics, in this case, of morals and ethics, especially new ethics. E.G. an author shows an obvious villain being racist and heroes fighting the villain. Fanatics accuse the author of racism.
@@annasolovyeva1013 fanaticism and bigotry are two separate things, though. There's casual, non-fanatical bigotry in many a "boy's club" or internet forum.
I really like when a character breaks that rule- that's when you get guys like Jack Horner, classic Eggman, and hopefully the villain I'm designing for a game I'm making
@@Ditidos That is because western fiction started to lose its teeth. So the villains became less threatening, back in the 90s even cartoonish would end you given the chance, like Negaduck or any other disney villain.
14:12 fun fact! Perry is basically this dude’s therapist, just… *somewhat* silent, and it also helps him overcome the trauma he experienced at a young age, very wholesome despite it being the side-story to finneas and ferb-
Megamind's line "Presentation!" will live rent free in my mind, and many others, till the day we die. In such a case, did he ever really fail? ... oh wait, that was Minion cosplaying as Megamind.
Giovanni Potage from Epithet Erased is another good example of this. He claims to be incredibly evil, but is actually repulsed at the sight of people being genuinely evil. Giovanni treats his boys (his minions) with respect and even cares for their safety, teaching them to put safety first before everything else. He's literally only trying to be evil for the title and the fun of it all. It doesn't matter what he claims to be, he's a Chaotic Good character through and through.
And even when he’s told that he can get a bunch of money and notoriety by selling to a specific criminal organization, Bliss Ocean, he refuses because they’re a group of terrorists and he doesn’t want to be associated with them.
I love both Megamind and Dr Horrible and I think their stories are just 2 different paths of the same premise. Imagine if Roxanne died and Megamind turned truly evil. Tragic. Someone write a fanfic now lol
One of my favorite examples of this trope is Veigar from League of Legends. So bad at being evil that he accidentally helps people around him and makes the world a better place.
The characters of "Gentle Criminal" and "La Brava" from My Hero Academia season 4/5 are EXCELLENT anime examples of the "sympathetic villain" trope. Gentle only ever wanted to be a hero, but when his demeanor and intellect proved not up to the task, he changed his M.O., and vowed to become the most notorious criminal in the world. This was PURELY to "be remembered" by people, not for personal financial gain, to the point where he intentionally left the "stolen goods" behind at every crime scene he robbed, rather than taking them to spend himself. The challenge was in committing the crime and succeeding, not in the material rewards of the crime itself.
There's also Solitaire in Dead Mount Death Play. The kind of villains that are more like just another of Japan's idols. They're doing it for the attention of their fans.
Probably my favorite archetype of these “in name only” villains are the ones where they actually can be a massive threat if they wanted to. But are bogged down by something, in a kids show it’s normally be the hero of show, but it can be anything like in one my favorite shows “The Venture Bros.” Most villains are kept down by their own emotional issues that they’re projecting by essentially playing dress up though also in that show the villains and even henchmen do actually kill (a lot) and the “heroes” are not really any better if not worse. I love these types because it normally gives room for the established villain to at some point just be in the living room of their arch nemesis for casual reasons leading to some really hilarious scenarios.
That show was great all around (from what I've watched, I know I haven't gotten all the way through). The episode where Rusty was getting competency training from Dr. Henry Killinger and offered an Arching license (contract? something like that) was BRILLIANT.
Iirc the whole villain vs hero thing in venture bros was kind of like the people who rules the worlds plan to keep super powerful, insane, chaotic people from being too disruptive and just mass murdering people by giving them a choice to be a hero or villain and then focusing their destructive energy on one assigned “nemesis” at a time
I recently came up with an idea for a villain like this! Picture an intergalactic sci-fi adventure show, where the main baddie is actually just a little kid treating everything like a game. He has all these weapons and a mech suit to make himself look intimidating and evil, but he still has morals that he never breaks (i.e. killing people.) I can easily see what dynamics he may have with other characters, such as having a brother who acts more like a serious villain than he, or the princess and leader of the rebellion being his favorite playmate, someone who understands him more than others and knows deep down, he's just a kid. It's a concept I would love to expand upon if I ever get the chance to run a sci-fi themed tabletop campaign with my friends.
I'm reminded of Garou from One-Punch Man. He keeps going on about how he's going to become the ultimate evil and an unbeatable monster, but when asked by the Monster Association to kill 100 people, he finds it distasteful and wonders "What does killing people have to do with being an evil?" We find out that in his childhood he first of all just found monsters cool, and felt it was unfair that they never got to win in Saturday morning cartoons. But he was also unpopular, and always got assigned the "monster" role during hero play, being mistreated by the popular kid. The popular kid was adored while mistreating him, while he got punished and bullied for fighting back. He learned that in this world, heroes are popular and always win even while being jerks, and the monsters always lose, even when just fighting back. So he made it his mission to prove that the monster can win, and beat the unfair heroes. Despite wanting to become the ultimate evil, he saves a little boy, who reminds him of himself, from being bullied, and later from monsters. When fighting a hero who becomes terrified of him during a fight, he starts to feel like a bully, and all these conflicting goals and emotions cause him an identity crisis. He eventually finds an answer to what it means to become ultimate evil. He will become an entity so strong and feared, that humanity will forget all their other strives. People so grateful just to be alive, that all differences will be forgotten and meaningless. A world where class doesn't matter, and no little kid will be bullied. "What the world needs isn't biased justice, but absolute unbiased evil!" Some evil monster he is, saving kids from bullies, fighting the corrupt hero association, and trying to create world peace.
Love the video. I wasn’t sure you were going to mention Dr. Horrible, who is my favorite example of this kind of villain precisely because he gets “everything he ever wanted,” but it leaves him empty and lost.
Snatcher from A Hat In Time is the best because he knows full well how corny he's being. He does it on purpose when you spring more than one of his traps. "There's only so many times my voice can handle yelling like that. You're taking the experience away from other people!" AND HE AUDIBLY CLEARS HIS THROAT BEFORE YELLING "FOOL" AGAIN.
Brother The art, the animation, the voice, the visuals This unexpectedly appeared in my recommendations, and the animation and visuals caught me eye immediately. Im about half way through the video and im absolutely loving this video! Its so interesting and informative, it will likely be put into my playlist for material i use for story writing. I love nothing more than a good villain, and i like parody villains too, so its brilliant!
This is why whenever I run a D&D game, I don't have the BBEG monologue, he jumps straight to trying to kill the player characters, unless they approach the problem in a way that would make him or her hesitate or otherwise wait to attack.
The villain in name alone is honestly pretty much the idea that spawned one of my currently biggest works. Like, the protagonist, Nathaniel, takes up villainy literally as a career path after being laid off, and immediately picks the villain alias "The Demon King of the Underworld". Sure, they somehow managed to make it big in villainy by some journalism and the fact the hero who came to stop his schemes was an up-and-coming hero who is basically the pinnacle of heroism (to the point where he's almost a parody of himself), but her schemes are mostly robbing banks (rent won't pay itself) and performance (helped by their illusion powers). He and Mighty Man sometimes even hang out after battles to make sure one didn't hurt the other too badly. And then the fun part about such a trope, is when the real antagonist shows up, and you get to subvert expectations there as well because the antagonist, was the most powerful superhero before Mighty Man. And the fun part? His cruelty didn't start when he was overthrown. It just added another person to his off-list. In essence, what I'm saying is, this is a very good trope and more people should play with it.
Im so glad you mentioned Dr. Horrible. The entire first half of the video I was thinking it fit no one better than him. So determined to be accepted as evil to be popular and get the girl while genuinely not being even a bit evil. Then the tragic turn where he gets his dream at the sacrifice of everything that mattered.
The non-villainous villain trope comes from trying to make light of things that frighten you. Pirates were scary, so someone made light of it to put off the fear, and because that was more comfortable than the truth, the light pirate is the one that is most common now.
I am so glad you made a video on this archetype. I wrote one of these for a small game my friends and I shipped a few years ago, and that experience got me hooked writing up more schemes of his in the years since. What does a sentient, ice-cooled, super-ultra-high-spec gaming PC do with his free time? Why, he builds an underwater fighting arena (complete with a personal secretary handing out liability waivers at the front desk) to test any budding heroes who would dare stop him from freezing the world's oceans, all while he sits in the final stage of the gauntlet reading light novels, patiently waiting for a final showdown. Instead of fighting you personally of course, he wants a deluge of hench-bots to overwhelm you, but his second-in-command calls to tell him she gambled away all the money in a get-rich-quick scheme, thus, not having any money to keep the hench-bots he designed on payroll. With no other options, he'll fight the hero... "confidently"... and then a single punch to the ice encasing his superconductive components causes him to shatter apart completely. The best part of these guys aren't even their schemes. It's the sheer confidence that comes with being a ne'er-do-well that masks their squishy personalities. Writing monologues, seeing how they react to a plan that's off-script; it's all about crafting a performance. This video encompasses everything I love about comedic villains!
One of the ppl I follow that I am genuinely happy to follow is because you make me actually realize you already know this and expand your concept of and depth of a single word like this evil. Homie wants me to write a book and get my philosophy doctorate degree 😅
This kind of villain can be ridiculously fun (and hilarious) imo. Really awesome video! One of my favorite moments of this in comics involved a story where the Riddler of Batman notoriety getting released from Arkham Asylum to rejoin society. The Riddler didn't particularly want to go back to crime in this instance, but was overwhelmingly bored with mundane life and felt like nobody/nothing was challenging him anymore. Basically, guy missed Batman. He tries to get in touch with Batman through regular, non-criminal means. Batman doesn't have time and is annoyed at the interruption. But again, the Riddler is extremely bored. So he buys an apartment, stages an elaborate threat with lives at stake. It's all terribly ominous and of course, wrapped in a riddle. Batman shows up by crashing through the window only to find the Riddler with a nice dinner table set up. He's serving surf and turf in a kiss the genius apron. Lives at steak, you see. The only thing being killed that night is a lobster. And he's ecstatic that Batman solved his puzzle to make it there punctually. I don't think he technically did anything illegal there--apartment was unoccupied. No one was actually in danger short of delicious crustaceans. Still, good for him lol.
By your definition of evil i think the only person who can call themselves evil (or will) would probably be Azula because she literally states quote “My own mother thought i was a monster and she was right” or smth like that idk its in the beach episode
The first time this occurred to me was as a kid, watching GI Joe. The Cobra Commander was the ultimate evildoer. But what did C.O.B.R.A. even actually want to achieve?
Two stories I think need to be discussed in this light: Venture Bros (its like half the point of the show) and Worm (Main Character is an interesting take on V.I.N.O.)
Taylor absolutely is a villain, though. She does Horrible things, for selfish reasons. The fact we see how she justifies them in her own head doesn't undo the widespread harm she causes. She constantly goes "The ends justify the means", but then she cuts out people's eyes. Not to mention just utterly sweeping under the rug various unpleasantries. She builds her post-leviathan empire on Coil's money. And she just ignores that this is being built on things like massive amounts of hard drug dealing. Speaking of Coil, she kills him when he's helpless, and mentally distanced herself from it because she Knows it was wrong, and she later thinks to herself that she did Not have to murder him.
@@calemr You are correct. I was thinking more in terms that Taylor thinks of herself and presents herself as a Villain in Name Only, relying on the aesthetics of villainy to stay safe and achieve her noble aims. It is a wonderful subversion to later highlight how machievellian she is.
my goodness, I've been thinking of Doofenshmirtz as soon as you've started talking about performative villains, and my god, I cannot help but yell "yes" hahahah
One of my favourite cartoon with a similar theme is called the Venture Bros. In the show's world the conflicts between heroes and villains had basically became nothing more than a theater performance, with it's own rules and regulatory bodies.
I think you missed one important point: villains who do things in a really evil intention but end up doing good. I'm thinking, for instance, about Kong in Godzilla vs Kong or some dinosaur battles across the Jurassic Park/World series. These monster's role and thoughts mostly revolve about killing/getting rid of humans, but they often end up helping the heroes. If you think they don't enter this category since they aren't really consciously doing those "evil deeds", then consider Jurgen Voller in the new Indiana Jones movies. He helped the Americans go to the Moon after the war, which is already kind of good. His ultimate goal is to make the Germans win World War II thanks to the Dial of Destiny but in doing that he stops a Nazi general from killing Indiana Jones' partner, completes the quest for the artifact (accidentally making them escape a gang of thugs in Maghreb, giving them a boat in Greece, bringing the other half of the Dial...), and ultimately make the timeline fix itself while also allowing Indiana Jones to witness the battle of Syracuse with his own eyes. I think that's part of the reason why the movie has so bad critics, because the villain actually was kind of one of the "worst villains": evil intentions, evil ways, but good results.
I would also include Dr. Eggman into as a worst villain too, He doesn’t exactly kill anyone, but at the same time, he makes everybody’s time unpleasant, Jim Carrey kind of sums it up pretty well
Your description of Megamind made me realize something; Joker does the exact same thing in several adaptations when Batman is gone or goes into retirement. In the animated series, when Batman is gone or thought to be dead he actually get's upset at the killer and laments that without Batman to stop him, crime has no punch line. In another animated series, he straight up goes into a catatonic state until Batman comes out of retirement. Of course, Joker is much more of literal evil in terroristic and murderous actions, but is still evil for the sake of being evil and wanting to be feared. Damian Wayne and Superman pretty much point this out to him personally too.
One character who really fits this archetype of a performative villain is Sir Pentious from Hazbin Hotel. He isn't fully evil, but really just craves approval. We see is desperate to join the Vees, some of the most influential overlords in hell. We see him angered at Alastor not recognizing him as a threat. He's goofy, eccentric. He straight up exclaims "I'm so evil!" in the pilot of the show. He doesn't want to be evil for power or to commit morally wrong acts, but to just be seen as cool.
One thing that really shows how Duff is a villain in name only is that every time he found a real villain, in the marvel crossover and in the movie, he ended up temporally joining the heroes because the real villains are going to succeed and that's not what he wants. He enjoys doing bad stuff with them for a while but when they start doing really evil things he is usually disgusted.
Terry Pratchett's Discworld do have some of these were they have guilds dedicated to overseeing thieves and assassins and enforcing common practices. The unseen University has a necromancer. Hix. And he's just some guy who "is allowed to act 'evil' and break the rules 'within college statutes'..."
I love when a villain feels obligated to be bad because of their backstory. Doofensmirtz is a good example, pain made him stronger, but also made him use unhealthy methods to cope with his pain. Such as wanting control of the Tri-State Area. I'm Chad Royston and in this essay I will...
Something that gets talked about a little in some of my books I'm working on, in a distant part of the multiverse they take place in, is a specific area of the multiverse ruled over by a god-like entity called The Director. This entity tends to warp real people into melodramatic villains or heroes. One of the escapee heroes mentions they were often forced to listen to villain monologues rather than do something sensible like arrest the villain or break their machines. The same escaped hero also mentions one time one of the villains almost broke the control The Director had over them, expressing that all they really wanted to do was to have their wife and children back, or find someone new to settle down with. He was about to break his own machines when The Director took control again. I mention this because that's a prime example of a performative villain. Sure, he did actually do a lot of terrible things, but he was basically being forced to do it, since in that sector of the multiverse, heroes and villains both have no free will.
This type of villain is actually pretty old. Marlowe’s Dr. Faustus fits the description pretty well. At the start, he has grand ambitions of ruling the world, but after he makes a deal with the devil, he resorts to pulling childish pranks for money.
I think the best example of this is the Guild of Calamitous Intent from the Venture Bros. They’re villains because of the theatrics, meanwhile the Monarch is an evil spite-filled individual and he sticks out because of it
My favorite "villain" character is Ainz from Overlord Light Novel/Anime. The story is basically about how an eldritch being and his minions, from the pov of the other characters, starts taking over the world and there's no hero to save the day. I would really love to read more stories where the villain wins either cos they are smart or that powerful.
Aw, my mild disappointment when I saw the taloid holding a freeze-ray gun instead of that being a nod to The Big Bad Wolf's Gloopstick plot that almost ruined Christmas in the intro was unexpected.
Dr. Nefarious, from the 'Ratchet & Clank' games, seems to fit here. The bumbling badguy who really has no idea want he wants beyond to outdo the central heroes.
Venture Bros had a great example of this. There was literally a union of supervillains called the Guild of Calamitous Intent. The whole thing was treated as a legitimate career path, but the villains often had the potential to be seriously twisted and dangerous. The government plays along because the trappings of "costumed villainy" keeps a bunch of bored, crazy, and powerful people from doing too much real damage.
I think hero hunter garou from one punch man is a perfect example of this because despite him being a good guy his goal is to be a symbol of fear to bring world peace by having all of humanity unite against him.
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I was literally thinking about the speaker for me and Dwayne was actually being a pretty accurate villain either high on some psychopathy scale or just very effectively immortal.
This archetype is what happens when I try to play an evil character in an RPG, i Make this super edgy super dark character but then act good with increasingly stupid excuses of why doing that good act specifically is part if a bigger evil plan.
I'd like to see you analyze Hades from Kid Icarus. He's one of those villains that absolutely adores being the villain, and it's not just showboating, he really IS evil, and a huge threat. He just... happens to enjoy it a lot.
There's an anime that just aired its first episode with this exact plot It's (an extremely NSFW) magical girl satire where the MC is a mousey, shy, average girl who is obsessed with magical girls but ends up being drafted into the evil organization they fight against. She ends up on the path of being an actual supervillain but never actually tries to kill or seriously hurt the magical girls, she just loves to see them fighting so hard to protect each other and their town and watching them get stronger It's hilarious and well done but also has some of the more problematic content notorious w/ ecchi so yeah definitely 18+ and honestly wouldn't be out of place with an H tag. However if you're an adult and have an appreciation for both kink and witty genre satire it's worth a watch (title is Gushing over Magical Girls)
1. This may be my favorite type of villain 2. What if one went a step further, a hero that has the aesthetic characteristics of a villain. They're a hero, they know it, they just happen to look like a villain.
The robo is completely indifferent to thievery. It’s just a costume that makes a statement. It’s only an inconvenience if you’re the one who lost something to a non-villain who took it away.
I love the moustace twirling, hilariously ineffective villains. There's always something infectious about the amount if fun that they have being 'evil'
It feels like funny naughty villains always call themselves evil whereas genuine immoral wicked villains always justify their repulsive actions and gaslight their accusers, like Leyley from "The Coffin of Andy and Leyley"
Just because they are bad guy does not mean they are "bad guy". :P Sometimes they are just joe schmo trying to make living and only living good is bad living. (Edit) As soon as you mentioned Performative Villains, all I could think of was Doofenshmirtz. There was an scene in one of the episodes where one of the "Good Guys" says they're not paying one of their workers because they don't technically work there and they're just classified as an intern, and Doofenshmirtz was like "wow... and are we sure I'm the evil one here?"
There's different types of evil I learn. The "villain as a job" villains and the "does not see themselves as evil" evil. Dr. Two-Brains treats Villainy as a job, while Miss Power thinks she's a hero when she's a mean, antagonistic force. I love that you used Doof as an example- and he's an Antithesis to Emperor Belos. Doof feels he "has" to be evil based on his backstories, when it becomes his casual job, while Belos feels he "must" be the hero because he sees his twisted ideas as "the right way to live".
Gru, Doofenshmirtz and Megamind are my favorite villains ever and hearing about them from this video is amazing. I mean it’s true that all 3 are villains, but to be honest they’re more like misunderstood characters. Heck, like how Doofenshmirtz was explained before, he only wants to rule the Tri State area, but for good reasons because of his troubled past as a child, but even so he never wanted to take over the world like how one villain did. (Basically the one who I think Doofenshmirtz took under his wing, but it’s not Buford) But anyway, thanks for explaining to us what villains really are.
I think one of those unofficially bad villain I can think of is Spamton. He's interesting because he is villain-coded as soon as you encounter him, but if you pay attention, you notice that the protagonist (Kris) probably doesn't consider him to be one. I think him being completely pathetic and a failure in every way makes him a fun villain, but on top of that, he also subverts expectations because if you take the time to decipher his story, he's just a guy who ended up learning he doesn't even control his own destiny, mind or body and wants those freedom. Most of us aren't in control of our own destiny thanks to unchecked capitalism, and some of us aren't in control of our mind or/and body either due to disabilities. That makes him a very loveable and sympathetic villain.
I think Killer Moth from DC Comics is a great example of this archetype. He is a supervillain in Gotham City who has a protection racket for criminals, so whenever they need his help they shine the "Moth-Signal" in the sky and he comes to their rescue, and he gets a cut of their loot in return. However, he's often very clumsy and incompetent which leads to most of his plans failing. Because of this, most people see him as a joke, and it doesn’t help that his costume is very colorful and goofy-looking. His reasons for becoming a villain are simply because he thought it would cool. It's very clear that he isn't at all evil, just a dork in a costume.
To add more: Doof isn't the only such villain in the show. There are tons of others. They even have a convention and each of them has his own secret agent animal. It's a fking madhouse haha.
I haven’t watched this video yet, and I’m sure you mention him. But I think the best example of this is Dr. Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. Megamind is also a good example, I think.
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Have you thought about doing a video on tonal shifts? How a story could start out as a raunchy comedy, but then reveals its way deeper and actually heartfelt.
With maybe examples of how a story can benefit or become inconsistent from this.
The main reason for that villains is ratings and bigots not actually allowing villains to be really evil
@@annasolovyeva1013 What are you thinking bigotry means? Bigots are perfectly fine with villains being really evil, because bigotry IS part of a character being shown as evil. (namely, how they interact with women not being exactly the nicest or healthiest way to do so....)
@@Vaeldarga particular kind of bigots - fanatics, in this case, of morals and ethics, especially new ethics.
E.G. an author shows an obvious villain being racist and heroes fighting the villain. Fanatics accuse the author of racism.
@@annasolovyeva1013 fanaticism and bigotry are two separate things, though. There's casual, non-fanatical bigotry in many a "boy's club" or internet forum.
My general rule of thumb is that the more a villain brags about being evil, the less of a genuine, serious threat they're likely to be.
Honestly that completely checks out
What about Jack Horner kind of villains? I admit they are rare by now but they used to be the norm.
I AM THE EGGMAN
I really like when a character breaks that rule- that's when you get guys like Jack Horner, classic Eggman, and hopefully the villain I'm designing for a game I'm making
@@Ditidos
That is because western fiction started to lose its teeth. So the villains became less threatening, back in the 90s even cartoonish would end you given the chance, like Negaduck or any other disney villain.
14:12 fun fact! Perry is basically this dude’s therapist, just… *somewhat* silent, and it also helps him overcome the trauma he experienced at a young age, very wholesome despite it being the side-story to finneas and ferb-
Technically Phineas and Ferb are the side story in their own show - the framing device that lets the other stories get told!
@@tantamounted oh neat
Dr. Doof is basically Jessie and James from Pokemon, and Perry is Pikachu; Perry and Doof just happen to have a healthier relationship.
@@KB-zq9ny yes, and also Perry is doof’s emotional support animal/therapy animal, that’s canon
Megamind's line "Presentation!" will live rent free in my mind, and many others, till the day we die.
In such a case, did he ever really fail?
... oh wait, that was Minion cosplaying as Megamind.
Maybe not! There was a great opportunity to switcheroo when he fell through the brainbot swarm
@@JaneXemylixa damn, your right. that's going into my head-cannon.
I still think that Minion prepared a lot of the show, since he knows Megamind so well. Would've saved them time @@fang4223
Giovanni Potage from Epithet Erased is another good example of this.
He claims to be incredibly evil, but is actually repulsed at the sight of people being genuinely evil. Giovanni treats his boys (his minions) with respect and even cares for their safety, teaching them to put safety first before everything else.
He's literally only trying to be evil for the title and the fun of it all.
It doesn't matter what he claims to be, he's a Chaotic Good character through and through.
And even when he’s told that he can get a bunch of money and notoriety by selling to a specific criminal organization, Bliss Ocean, he refuses because they’re a group of terrorists and he doesn’t want to be associated with them.
He's a better dad than Martin!
Well said
Gio needs to adopt Molly frfr
"I'm part of the Banzai Blasters!"
"Isn't that a pyramid scheme?"
"that's how you know they're EVIL!"
I love both Megamind and Dr Horrible and I think their stories are just 2 different paths of the same premise. Imagine if Roxanne died and Megamind turned truly evil. Tragic. Someone write a fanfic now lol
One of my favorite examples of this trope is Veigar from League of Legends. So bad at being evil that he accidentally helps people around him and makes the world a better place.
Veigar isn’t really evil, he just tries to be evil and fails horribly, dispite being the strongest Yordle we know about.
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The characters of "Gentle Criminal" and "La Brava" from My Hero Academia season 4/5 are EXCELLENT anime examples of the "sympathetic villain" trope. Gentle only ever wanted to be a hero, but when his demeanor and intellect proved not up to the task, he changed his M.O., and vowed to become the most notorious criminal in the world. This was PURELY to "be remembered" by people, not for personal financial gain, to the point where he intentionally left the "stolen goods" behind at every crime scene he robbed, rather than taking them to spend himself. The challenge was in committing the crime and succeeding, not in the material rewards of the crime itself.
makes his redemption so much better.
There's also Solitaire in Dead Mount Death Play. The kind of villains that are more like just another of Japan's idols. They're doing it for the attention of their fans.
@@VaeldargWasn’t his motive to trick actual magic people out from hiding?
He also thought himself an anti hero/villain getting back at people
A hero is a hero, but everyone loves a good villain
There is no good hero without good villain
5:52 the most evil part of this scene is The Rock with hair
Probably my favorite archetype of these “in name only” villains are the ones where they actually can be a massive threat if they wanted to. But are bogged down by something, in a kids show it’s normally be the hero of show, but it can be anything like in one my favorite shows “The Venture Bros.” Most villains are kept down by their own emotional issues that they’re projecting by essentially playing dress up though also in that show the villains and even henchmen do actually kill (a lot) and the “heroes” are not really any better if not worse.
I love these types because it normally gives room for the established villain to at some point just be in the living room of their arch nemesis for casual reasons leading to some really hilarious scenarios.
That show was great all around (from what I've watched, I know I haven't gotten all the way through).
The episode where Rusty was getting competency training from Dr. Henry Killinger and offered an Arching license (contract? something like that) was BRILLIANT.
Flip yeah, Venture Bros. getting mentioned.
one of the best adult swim shows to this day.
Iirc the whole villain vs hero thing in venture bros was kind of like the people who rules the worlds plan to keep super powerful, insane, chaotic people from being too disruptive and just mass murdering people by giving them a choice to be a hero or villain and then focusing their destructive energy on one assigned “nemesis” at a time
What's the plot of The Venture Bros?
I recently came up with an idea for a villain like this! Picture an intergalactic sci-fi adventure show, where the main baddie is actually just a little kid treating everything like a game. He has all these weapons and a mech suit to make himself look intimidating and evil, but he still has morals that he never breaks (i.e. killing people.) I can easily see what dynamics he may have with other characters, such as having a brother who acts more like a serious villain than he, or the princess and leader of the rebellion being his favorite playmate, someone who understands him more than others and knows deep down, he's just a kid. It's a concept I would love to expand upon if I ever get the chance to run a sci-fi themed tabletop campaign with my friends.
This is a lot like The Lego Movie!
I'm reminded of Garou from One-Punch Man.
He keeps going on about how he's going to become the ultimate evil and an unbeatable monster, but when asked by the Monster Association to kill 100 people, he finds it distasteful and wonders "What does killing people have to do with being an evil?"
We find out that in his childhood he first of all just found monsters cool, and felt it was unfair that they never got to win in Saturday morning cartoons. But he was also unpopular, and always got assigned the "monster" role during hero play, being mistreated by the popular kid. The popular kid was adored while mistreating him, while he got punished and bullied for fighting back. He learned that in this world, heroes are popular and always win even while being jerks, and the monsters always lose, even when just fighting back. So he made it his mission to prove that the monster can win, and beat the unfair heroes.
Despite wanting to become the ultimate evil, he saves a little boy, who reminds him of himself, from being bullied, and later from monsters. When fighting a hero who becomes terrified of him during a fight, he starts to feel like a bully, and all these conflicting goals and emotions cause him an identity crisis.
He eventually finds an answer to what it means to become ultimate evil. He will become an entity so strong and feared, that humanity will forget all their other strives. People so grateful just to be alive, that all differences will be forgotten and meaningless. A world where class doesn't matter, and no little kid will be bullied. "What the world needs isn't biased justice, but absolute unbiased evil!"
Some evil monster he is, saving kids from bullies, fighting the corrupt hero association, and trying to create world peace.
this channel is truly a guide to be a perfect writer
OMG I SAW THE "a true pirate does not steal" ONE IN THE WILD, NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONING IT BUT IT'S SO FUNNY
As the video started I immediately thought of the villain SNL skit. Imagine my joy when it was referenced as a "perfect example" 😂
Love the video. I wasn’t sure you were going to mention Dr. Horrible, who is my favorite example of this kind of villain precisely because he gets “everything he ever wanted,” but it leaves him empty and lost.
Snatcher from A Hat In Time is the best because he knows full well how corny he's being. He does it on purpose when you spring more than one of his traps.
"There's only so many times my voice can handle yelling like that. You're taking the experience away from other people!"
AND HE AUDIBLY CLEARS HIS THROAT BEFORE YELLING "FOOL" AGAIN.
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The art, the animation, the voice, the visuals
This unexpectedly appeared in my recommendations, and the animation and visuals caught me eye immediately.
Im about half way through the video and im absolutely loving this video! Its so interesting and informative, it will likely be put into my playlist for material i use for story writing.
I love nothing more than a good villain, and i like parody villains too, so its brilliant!
Probably one of the my favourite videos in a long time! Saw the inclusion of Doofenshmitz from a mile away!
This is why whenever I run a D&D game, I don't have the BBEG monologue, he jumps straight to trying to kill the player characters, unless they approach the problem in a way that would make him or her hesitate or otherwise wait to attack.
The villain in name alone is honestly pretty much the idea that spawned one of my currently biggest works. Like, the protagonist, Nathaniel, takes up villainy literally as a career path after being laid off, and immediately picks the villain alias "The Demon King of the Underworld". Sure, they somehow managed to make it big in villainy by some journalism and the fact the hero who came to stop his schemes was an up-and-coming hero who is basically the pinnacle of heroism (to the point where he's almost a parody of himself), but her schemes are mostly robbing banks (rent won't pay itself) and performance (helped by their illusion powers). He and Mighty Man sometimes even hang out after battles to make sure one didn't hurt the other too badly.
And then the fun part about such a trope, is when the real antagonist shows up, and you get to subvert expectations there as well because the antagonist, was the most powerful superhero before Mighty Man. And the fun part? His cruelty didn't start when he was overthrown. It just added another person to his off-list.
In essence, what I'm saying is, this is a very good trope and more people should play with it.
I love this idea!
Im so glad you mentioned Dr. Horrible. The entire first half of the video I was thinking it fit no one better than him. So determined to be accepted as evil to be popular and get the girl while genuinely not being even a bit evil. Then the tragic turn where he gets his dream at the sacrifice of everything that mattered.
I'm seeing more than a few similarities to the "outlaw, but totally not criminal" archetype, ala Mal from Firefly. "I aim to misbehave," and all that.
Omg another Firefly fan!!! That show was my damn childhood, man.
The non-villainous villain trope comes from trying to make light of things that frighten you. Pirates were scary, so someone made light of it to put off the fear, and because that was more comfortable than the truth, the light pirate is the one that is most common now.
I am so glad you made a video on this archetype. I wrote one of these for a small game my friends and I shipped a few years ago, and that experience got me hooked writing up more schemes of his in the years since.
What does a sentient, ice-cooled, super-ultra-high-spec gaming PC do with his free time? Why, he builds an underwater fighting arena (complete with a personal secretary handing out liability waivers at the front desk) to test any budding heroes who would dare stop him from freezing the world's oceans, all while he sits in the final stage of the gauntlet reading light novels, patiently waiting for a final showdown. Instead of fighting you personally of course, he wants a deluge of hench-bots to overwhelm you, but his second-in-command calls to tell him she gambled away all the money in a get-rich-quick scheme, thus, not having any money to keep the hench-bots he designed on payroll. With no other options, he'll fight the hero... "confidently"... and then a single punch to the ice encasing his superconductive components causes him to shatter apart completely.
The best part of these guys aren't even their schemes. It's the sheer confidence that comes with being a ne'er-do-well that masks their squishy personalities. Writing monologues, seeing how they react to a plan that's off-script; it's all about crafting a performance. This video encompasses everything I love about comedic villains!
they say 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 2 rights... or 2 lefts, certainly do.
One of the ppl I follow that I am genuinely happy to follow is because you make me actually realize you already know this and expand your concept of and depth of a single word like this evil. Homie wants me to write a book and get my philosophy doctorate degree 😅
Worst at being a villain, or worst in terms of action?
This kind of villain can be ridiculously fun (and hilarious) imo. Really awesome video!
One of my favorite moments of this in comics involved a story where the Riddler of Batman notoriety getting released from Arkham Asylum to rejoin society. The Riddler didn't particularly want to go back to crime in this instance, but was overwhelmingly bored with mundane life and felt like nobody/nothing was challenging him anymore. Basically, guy missed Batman. He tries to get in touch with Batman through regular, non-criminal means. Batman doesn't have time and is annoyed at the interruption.
But again, the Riddler is extremely bored. So he buys an apartment, stages an elaborate threat with lives at stake. It's all terribly ominous and of course, wrapped in a riddle.
Batman shows up by crashing through the window only to find the Riddler with a nice dinner table set up. He's serving surf and turf in a kiss the genius apron. Lives at steak, you see. The only thing being killed that night is a lobster. And he's ecstatic that Batman solved his puzzle to make it there punctually.
I don't think he technically did anything illegal there--apartment was unoccupied. No one was actually in danger short of delicious crustaceans. Still, good for him lol.
By your definition of evil i think the only person who can call themselves evil (or will) would probably be Azula because she literally states quote “My own mother thought i was a monster and she was right” or smth like that idk its in the beach episode
The first time this occurred to me was as a kid, watching GI Joe. The Cobra Commander was the ultimate evildoer. But what did C.O.B.R.A. even actually want to achieve?
Dr Horrible's Sing Along blog is soo good, even after all those years.
Two stories I think need to be discussed in this light: Venture Bros (its like half the point of the show) and Worm (Main Character is an interesting take on V.I.N.O.)
Taylor absolutely is a villain, though. She does Horrible things, for selfish reasons. The fact we see how she justifies them in her own head doesn't undo the widespread harm she causes.
She constantly goes "The ends justify the means", but then she cuts out people's eyes.
Not to mention just utterly sweeping under the rug various unpleasantries. She builds her post-leviathan empire on Coil's money. And she just ignores that this is being built on things like massive amounts of hard drug dealing.
Speaking of Coil, she kills him when he's helpless, and mentally distanced herself from it because she Knows it was wrong, and she later thinks to herself that she did Not have to murder him.
@@calemr You are correct. I was thinking more in terms that Taylor thinks of herself and presents herself as a Villain in Name Only, relying on the aesthetics of villainy to stay safe and achieve her noble aims. It is a wonderful subversion to later highlight how machievellian she is.
I absolutely love the fact that you brought up the robo chomo
“A good pirate never takes someone else’s property!”
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My mind just broke
Holy Canoly. Dwayne Johnson with hair looks almost as weird as Vin Diesel with hair.
This is the true evil.
Judge Holden is the type of evil these villains brag about being but aren’t willing to go through with it or can’t even comprehend it
my goodness, I've been thinking of Doofenshmirtz as soon as you've started talking about performative villains, and my god, I cannot help but yell "yes" hahahah
One of my favourite cartoon with a similar theme is called the Venture Bros. In the show's world the conflicts between heroes and villains had basically became nothing more than a theater performance, with it's own rules and regulatory bodies.
Ahh, the incompetent villain trope. What we do in the shadows is excellent with this.
I think you missed one important point: villains who do things in a really evil intention but end up doing good. I'm thinking, for instance, about Kong in Godzilla vs Kong or some dinosaur battles across the Jurassic Park/World series. These monster's role and thoughts mostly revolve about killing/getting rid of humans, but they often end up helping the heroes. If you think they don't enter this category since they aren't really consciously doing those "evil deeds", then consider Jurgen Voller in the new Indiana Jones movies. He helped the Americans go to the Moon after the war, which is already kind of good. His ultimate goal is to make the Germans win World War II thanks to the Dial of Destiny but in doing that he stops a Nazi general from killing Indiana Jones' partner, completes the quest for the artifact (accidentally making them escape a gang of thugs in Maghreb, giving them a boat in Greece, bringing the other half of the Dial...), and ultimately make the timeline fix itself while also allowing Indiana Jones to witness the battle of Syracuse with his own eyes. I think that's part of the reason why the movie has so bad critics, because the villain actually was kind of one of the "worst villains": evil intentions, evil ways, but good results.
I would also include Dr. Eggman into as a worst villain too, He doesn’t exactly kill anyone, but at the same time, he makes everybody’s time unpleasant, Jim Carrey kind of sums it up pretty well
Your description of Megamind made me realize something; Joker does the exact same thing in several adaptations when Batman is gone or goes into retirement. In the animated series, when Batman is gone or thought to be dead he actually get's upset at the killer and laments that without Batman to stop him, crime has no punch line. In another animated series, he straight up goes into a catatonic state until Batman comes out of retirement. Of course, Joker is much more of literal evil in terroristic and murderous actions, but is still evil for the sake of being evil and wanting to be feared. Damian Wayne and Superman pretty much point this out to him personally too.
One character who really fits this archetype of a performative villain is Sir Pentious from Hazbin Hotel. He isn't fully evil, but really just craves approval. We see is desperate to join the Vees, some of the most influential overlords in hell. We see him angered at Alastor not recognizing him as a threat. He's goofy, eccentric. He straight up exclaims "I'm so evil!" in the pilot of the show. He doesn't want to be evil for power or to commit morally wrong acts, but to just be seen as cool.
0:26 - 0:57
Outside the Mustache thing, this is just Doof from Phineas and Ferb
I waited for Doof to come up all along 😂
He fits in the description so well.
And... The hints scattered in the video were obvious 😅
Melting all the words chocolate is truly the darkest path
One thing that really shows how Duff is a villain in name only is that every time he found a real villain, in the marvel crossover and in the movie, he ended up temporally joining the heroes because the real villains are going to succeed and that's not what he wants. He enjoys doing bad stuff with them for a while but when they start doing really evil things he is usually disgusted.
Terry Pratchett's Discworld do have some of these were they have guilds dedicated to overseeing thieves and assassins and enforcing common practices. The unseen University has a necromancer. Hix. And he's just some guy who "is allowed to act 'evil' and break the rules 'within college statutes'..."
I love when a villain feels obligated to be bad because of their backstory.
Doofensmirtz is a good example, pain made him stronger, but also made him use unhealthy methods to cope with his pain.
Such as wanting control of the Tri-State Area.
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Mad scientists seem especially prone to this trope.
12:38 I caught this coming from a mile away as a huge Phineas and Ferb fan.
Something that gets talked about a little in some of my books I'm working on, in a distant part of the multiverse they take place in, is a specific area of the multiverse ruled over by a god-like entity called The Director. This entity tends to warp real people into melodramatic villains or heroes. One of the escapee heroes mentions they were often forced to listen to villain monologues rather than do something sensible like arrest the villain or break their machines. The same escaped hero also mentions one time one of the villains almost broke the control The Director had over them, expressing that all they really wanted to do was to have their wife and children back, or find someone new to settle down with. He was about to break his own machines when The Director took control again.
I mention this because that's a prime example of a performative villain. Sure, he did actually do a lot of terrible things, but he was basically being forced to do it, since in that sector of the multiverse, heroes and villains both have no free will.
This type of villain is actually pretty old. Marlowe’s Dr. Faustus fits the description pretty well. At the start, he has grand ambitions of ruling the world, but after he makes a deal with the devil, he resorts to pulling childish pranks for money.
I think the best example of this is the Guild of Calamitous Intent from the Venture Bros. They’re villains because of the theatrics, meanwhile the Monarch is an evil spite-filled individual and he sticks out because of it
My favorite "villain" character is Ainz from Overlord Light Novel/Anime. The story is basically about how an eldritch being and his minions, from the pov of the other characters, starts taking over the world and there's no hero to save the day.
I would really love to read more stories where the villain wins either cos they are smart or that powerful.
That SNL skit is one of my all time favorites
Aw, my mild disappointment when I saw the taloid holding a freeze-ray gun instead of that being a nod to The Big Bad Wolf's Gloopstick plot that almost ruined Christmas in the intro was unexpected.
Dr. Nefarious, from the 'Ratchet & Clank' games, seems to fit here. The bumbling badguy who really has no idea want he wants beyond to outdo the central heroes.
Venture Bros had a great example of this. There was literally a union of supervillains called the Guild of Calamitous Intent. The whole thing was treated as a legitimate career path, but the villains often had the potential to be seriously twisted and dangerous. The government plays along because the trappings of "costumed villainy" keeps a bunch of bored, crazy, and powerful people from doing too much real damage.
At the stuff at 5:31 the pen made by Dwayne the rock Jonson instantly feels evil even though it is on a much smaller scale the the other ones.
I meant the thing sorry
I think hero hunter garou from one punch man is a perfect example of this because despite him being a good guy his goal is to be a symbol of fear to bring world peace by having all of humanity unite against him.
Random commenter here to say this is surprisingly good! The well animated intro and subversive title drew me in, and the exploration of the twist of that title was perfectly crafted. I'd say the only minor issues I have are the double sponsorship plug and the narrator's voice being a bit too drowsy to keep my full attention.
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I was internally chanting "Dr. Doofenshmirtz, Dr. Doofenshmirtz", and cheered when you finally mentioned him!
I was literally thinking about the speaker for me and Dwayne was actually being a pretty accurate villain either high on some psychopathy scale or just very effectively immortal.
The way im so sure anyone who's seen phineas and ferb was actively waiting for doofenshmirtz to come up
"I am evil! Stop laughing!" -Just a little guy
This archetype is what happens when I try to play an evil character in an RPG, i Make this super edgy super dark character but then act good with increasingly stupid excuses of why doing that good act specifically is part if a bigger evil plan.
I'd like to see you analyze Hades from Kid Icarus. He's one of those villains that absolutely adores being the villain, and it's not just showboating, he really IS evil, and a huge threat. He just... happens to enjoy it a lot.
There's an anime that just aired its first episode with this exact plot
It's (an extremely NSFW) magical girl satire where the MC is a mousey, shy, average girl who is obsessed with magical girls but ends up being drafted into the evil organization they fight against. She ends up on the path of being an actual supervillain but never actually tries to kill or seriously hurt the magical girls, she just loves to see them fighting so hard to protect each other and their town and watching them get stronger
It's hilarious and well done but also has some of the more problematic content notorious w/ ecchi so yeah definitely 18+ and honestly wouldn't be out of place with an H tag. However if you're an adult and have an appreciation for both kink and witty genre satire it's worth a watch (title is Gushing over Magical Girls)
'neither of his parents show up for his birth'
what
how
1. This may be my favorite type of villain
2. What if one went a step further, a hero that has the aesthetic characteristics of a villain. They're a hero, they know it, they just happen to look like a villain.
the city is doomed commander fistfight, i've poisoned the water supply!
It is kinda funny and interesting how Roxanne feels more comfortable with Megamind, the "vile villain" than with Hal even at the beginning.
The robo is completely indifferent to thievery.
It’s just a costume that makes a statement. It’s only an inconvenience if you’re the one who lost something to a non-villain who took it away.
Its funny how while I was listening to the episode, I was like: "yeah its like Doofenshmirtz lmao" and then you started talking about him ahah
I love the moustace twirling, hilariously ineffective villains. There's always something infectious about the amount if fun that they have being 'evil'
It feels like funny naughty villains always call themselves evil whereas genuine immoral wicked villains always justify their repulsive actions and gaslight their accusers, like Leyley from "The Coffin of Andy and Leyley"
Just because they are bad guy does not mean they are "bad guy". :P
Sometimes they are just joe schmo trying to make living and only living good is bad living.
(Edit) As soon as you mentioned Performative Villains, all I could think of was Doofenshmirtz.
There was an scene in one of the episodes where one of the "Good Guys" says they're not paying one of their workers because they don't technically work there and they're just classified as an intern, and Doofenshmirtz was like "wow... and are we sure I'm the evil one here?"
"The villains that self identify as evil but just... are not" Everyone stares at James
There's different types of evil I learn.
The "villain as a job" villains and the "does not see themselves as evil" evil.
Dr. Two-Brains treats Villainy as a job, while Miss Power thinks she's a hero when she's a mean, antagonistic force.
I love that you used Doof as an example- and he's an Antithesis to Emperor Belos. Doof feels he "has" to be evil based on his backstories, when it becomes his casual job, while Belos feels he "must" be the hero because he sees his twisted ideas as "the right way to live".
In video gaming, the quintessential archetype of this is the most (in)famous villain in gaming history:
Bowser, of Mario fame.
Gru, Doofenshmirtz and Megamind are my favorite villains ever and hearing about them from this video is amazing. I mean it’s true that all 3 are villains, but to be honest they’re more like misunderstood characters. Heck, like how Doofenshmirtz was explained before, he only wants to rule the Tri State area, but for good reasons because of his troubled past as a child, but even so he never wanted to take over the world like how one villain did. (Basically the one who I think Doofenshmirtz took under his wing, but it’s not Buford) But anyway, thanks for explaining to us what villains really are.
I think one of those unofficially bad villain I can think of is Spamton. He's interesting because he is villain-coded as soon as you encounter him, but if you pay attention, you notice that the protagonist (Kris) probably doesn't consider him to be one.
I think him being completely pathetic and a failure in every way makes him a fun villain, but on top of that, he also subverts expectations because if you take the time to decipher his story, he's just a guy who ended up learning he doesn't even control his own destiny, mind or body and wants those freedom. Most of us aren't in control of our own destiny thanks to unchecked capitalism, and some of us aren't in control of our mind or/and body either due to disabilities. That makes him a very loveable and sympathetic villain.
thank you for telling me to keep making stuff up *cries and hugs you*
Veigar from league is pretty much a perfect example of this
Doof, Megamind, and Dr. Horrible in one video? This was wonderfully evil!
8:18 pirates weren't necessarily evil, they were more like sea muggers.
Might not fit exactly, but Papyrus popped up in my head during this
When you get to the point where the villain has a more likeable personality than the main character, that's when you know you screwed up your story.
personally imo the Greedy Charming Money Hungry Narcissists are the most realistic and the most evil villains of all time
I'm the first minute of this video, i thought of Dr Horrible, the Dwayne Johnson SNL skit, and Invader Zim. You featured 2 or of the 3!
17:56 I thought he was going to talk about real live 20th century supervillains for a moment
I think Killer Moth from DC Comics is a great example of this archetype. He is a supervillain in Gotham City who has a protection racket for criminals, so whenever they need his help they shine the "Moth-Signal" in the sky and he comes to their rescue, and he gets a cut of their loot in return. However, he's often very clumsy and incompetent which leads to most of his plans failing. Because of this, most people see him as a joke, and it doesn’t help that his costume is very colorful and goofy-looking. His reasons for becoming a villain are simply because he thought it would cool. It's very clear that he isn't at all evil, just a dork in a costume.
I love how you are so very calm w your voice
Is it just me or does this channel give off *high* DnD vibes? I just luv them 🥹🥹
To add more: Doof isn't the only such villain in the show. There are tons of others. They even have a convention and each of them has his own secret agent animal. It's a fking madhouse haha.
I haven’t watched this video yet, and I’m sure you mention him. But I think the best example of this is Dr. Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. Megamind is also a good example, I think.