Installing Linux vs Windows 10 Hardware Challenge
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2022
- Installing operating systems on the eMMC based Windows 7 Fujitsu F-07C x86 CPU based phone. The is the final part of the second Trilogy about this phone. How about one last game of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim before wiping the internal eMMC drive?
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It really nice see you tinkering around with these special devices. I just found this channel and now I'm stuck here..
Thank you. I've collected many devices over the years. Heaps more stories to come.
@@JanusCycle that sounds promising.
I got myself over the years some old Sony Laptops and PDA, maybe I should also start tinkering again. You got me motivated!
@@jayforkay Nice, I do like a good PDA to mess about with. I hope to one day look closer at some Sony CLIÉ's :)
@@JanusCycle try to get a UX50! My unit died a few years ago but it was a really great device.
@@jayforkay I would love a UX50. I hope I can find one for a good price one day.
The degraded boot performance can be just some timeout, but it could also be something like an interrupt storm, where the CPU constantly receives spurious IO events to handle
I suspected there was something getting stuck. It's great to hear and learn new terms such as interrupt storm. Thank you for that. I 'm really enjoying this learning process with Linux.
Or maybe the quirk switches the SDIO bus from SD to regular SPI mode and if the eMMC is also on the same bus... whoops!
systemd is also quite slow on low end devices. I was able to get Void Linux booting much faster than Raspberry Pi OS ever could on my Pi 3.
While it's probably far too late for this comment to be of use to you, It may be of use to someone else reading the comments. The graphical way to rotate the display in LXQt is in the monitor settings applet, accessible through "Preferences" > "LXQt Settings" > "Monitor settings", through which you can set the rotation of the display (and each connected display if you have multiple) in the "Advanced" tab for each display. (Should also be persistent between boots)
Your comment is very useful to me, because I'm always learning, and will be continuing to try and install Linux on this and other unusual devices. Thank you for the tip!
@@JanusCycle I would recommend an install of Alpine Linux. It's an extremely lightweight (in terms of ram useage) operating system that runs with maybe half the ram useage as a normal distro. GNOME uses 500-600MiB.
@@mikenotpike Not sure Alpine would be recommended; it comes with no DE installed & you have to set it up completely through the terminal while reading a lot of the wiki to get it working. However, I do kind of want to see it due to how small & lightweight it is
You could have tried with Windows 10 LTSB, which is a stripped down version of the first W10 releases. Or maybe W10 LTSC. Both of them are considerably faster than the W10 Home or Pro versions
Golleee....i just can't get ENOUGH of retro tech tubers ..
LOL this is fantastic, love your channel friend!
Nice effort with Windows 10 and that why I did not bother installing it on my Vaio UX with 1GB ram and the 30GB SSD. Windows 7 works nice.
Thanks. Windows 7 still has it all. Even in it's twilight years it keeps showing up for the fight.
Your channel is awesome. I love watching old school systems getting life pumped back into them.
Thanks! I'm glad you are enjoying these adventures :)
It was not the spaces in grub that didn't work, rather you're passing kernel paramenters to linux itself, and you cant have a space between the =
GRUB being the bootloader passes some options to the kernel, which are available before any configuration files are read in userspace (GRUB contains its own filesystem drivers)
Thank you, I still have much to learn. I'm currently installing Linux on another computer right now!
@@JanusCycle it's alright
Very interesting stuff!
Its so cool seeing someone messing around with these devices just like I would if I had them LOL
Have you tried installing windows on that chinese exclusive nokia n1 tablet? It is an x86 device, and I've seen people unlocking its bootloader before. Maybe you can do something with it.
Awesome!
How interesting!🤩
Do you have any plans to run *Android-x86* on it _(for example, Project Sakura, BlissOS)?_ *That would be great🥰*
Great video! Any thoughts about putting Windows XP in it? Or maybe an old macOS?
I think MacOS would be possible because I've seen Japanese references to it being done. I need to learn much more about Hackintoshing though.
Windows XP seems to be the hardest of all and I'm not sure how to even start the installer yet.
@@TyTytheCat2004 Hey. Have you tried something like this before? I have tried installing XP on this device for a while now and have not been able to. Setup always freezes on "Setup is inspecting your computer hardware configuration". But i be able to make it work, i think XP would run pretty well on this device, since windows 7 is to slow.
@@DeimisDude I have not tried specifically on this phone, but I have used VMware to install OSes directly to hard disks, after figuring out which controller I need to emulate.
@@JanusCycle Can you link to the references?
this is a fun idea side project to do i like the videos and or the videos you make teaches me something
Thank you. I have also been learning lots as I make these videos. It's great to share this experience with others.
@@JanusCycle you are welcome i am a fan of the channel
Will you be doing another video about installing Linux distros on this phone? I'd love to see you try to get RaspberryPiOS running on this, as they offer the regular ARM version as well as a x86_64 variant
thumbs up for first thing trying to play Skyrim on a Windows device, apparently we share the same performace testing methodology
Pushing those limits :)
@@JanusCycle if you end up retrying skyrim, you can probably try ridiculous settings like i said in the comments
Very enjoyed seeing this phone indeed
tip at 0:51, try running the game with lower screen settings in windows settings like turning the resolution down, that also could help a little bit.
So cool!!!!
Has anybody with this phone ever tried to hack the SIMBIAN OS of this phone? Also love how you are experimenting with this device.
I haven't seen anything about hacking that part. Thanks for watching and enjoying though :)
should try Tiny10 a slimmed down version of windows 10. would love to see if it works
it would make a dope retroarch device as well
Good suggestions. I'll be trying this out one day. Thanks.
I wonder if there are items for this in stock still
Can you make a video showing what games are on the phone? It’s the iアプリ/iAppli part of the phone. I’m curious to see what type of Star Games are on their.
Here are some photos in the iアプリ/iAppli menu. I don't see any games. But some items won't open without a sim card. If there is something more you want to see let me know.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qdmIgZhZnX10DrYs1jEGp8vJtd-ge8lW
this video is from a year ago i hope you'd go back and try tiny 10 to this device
he is planning to make a 3rd trilogy, but we gotta wait...
Just wondering do OP just bought this additional docking pf the phone?
I'd love a third trilogy
So would I. I have big plans. From a Hackintosh, to serious BIOS mods, to the forbidden Windows XP install. They all require lots more knowledge and ability that I'm still looking into gaining.
@@JanusCycle i’d love to see that! Also try games that shouldnt be able to run but put settings into miserable settings for it to get 5-10 fps and be sort of "playable".
well i was looking at buying one for a daily use phone. you helped me decide against it. i run windows 7 on my daily driver computers. 1gb of ram is to slow. now if it could run windows 98 or 2000 i think it would be perfect
Alpine linux with xfce would've been perfect to run on this little device as a base alpine install with xfce uses about 230mb of ram
or better yet using a DWM so its even lighter
No, the spaces problem is with the Linux kernel cmdline. First, options only work with the equals in the same argument. Second, the = and second argument would be in separate arguments (the quotes are removed so you can have multiple options)
Great explanation, thank you.
Im curious on how half life 2 would run, and then things like Gmod. That device has fair specs as far as source engine goes. I would have loved that back in the day.
Could you try installing Windows 10 the light version?
I think that thecmain problem is not with cpu but with memory (not ram) speed
I wonder why someone makes any Win7 computer with 1 GB RAM?? I have an Archos 9 tablet with factory Win7 with 1GB RAM, and it is goddamn slow. If I were a manufacturer like Fujitsu, or Archos, or whatever brand, I would install as many RAM and storage as physically possible in order to get a device that can be used for many years without getting obsolete.
This is a really good point. RAM is very limiting for these sort of operating systems.
I think they build phones to only last a few years. So they don't cost too much, and can buy the next one when they become obsolete.
Also the Intel CPU in this phone was designed to only work with 1GB of RAM!
@@JanusCycle I did not know that. My Archos has 1 GB with the same CPU. Now I know why :(
Since that computer is slow, I am using an Olivetti Philos 46 instead, picked up for 15 dollars from a local flea market. No battery, but mint condition, and working.
DRAM consumes power proportionate to capacity(rather than chip count). So skimping on RAM is one way to extend battery life a bit on top of marginal cost reduction.
POV: Next video running minecraft on linux hardware challenge.
Not even Todd Howard could have foreseen Skyrim on a keyboard phone
Bethesda already getting ready to port to this thing after finding out exists.
nice,i remeber in 2020 when i installed windows 10 on my 1gb ram 1ghz laptop , it was unbarebaly slow and wifi did not work on windows or linux
is any good for gamecube emulation
2:02 "So if I ever need to restore to Fujitsu's original configuration, I should be able to do that." Yeahhhhh... not like some manufacturers like to render the recovery partition obsolete if you even THINK of touching it...
How do u set it back up if u delete it anyways?
It was necessary to configure the phone version of Android 12 if you configured the computer version of the smartphone
You are crazy man
The best os for this phone is Windows 7 starter
I really like this idea, I hadn't considered using the Starter version before, thanks.
Np 😊
Can you try fydeos or any chromium based os ,, im pretty sure it will be smoother experience.
I would like to try more OSs on here. Thanks for those suggestions.
Would love to see mx Linux with Fluxbox on this
can you try haiku os because its best for this device haiku supports x86 (32 bit) and low requirements like 256mb ram and requires atleast pentium mmx 233mhz (officially pentium II) and any graphics card
Haiku OS looks interesting, thanks for the suggestion. I would like to try it.
You should've done Windows 10 LTSC, it is built for devices with low specs like a machine with only the minimum functions of windows 10
You mentioned you installed the latest version of windows 10. Maybe trying an older version would work better?
Yeah, maybe something like windows 10 1807 or even 1607
he should do a total comparison how well windows software runs on both windows and linux through steam on linux
i think you should try to give it a better cpu and mainly a better drive like a SSD at least 128 gb
love these types of videos so no hate from me but just strange that you would boot a game that would nowhere near run or even open (to my surprise) And linux mint XFCE would have been a perfect OS for this and would probably run better than default windows 7
I enjoy pushing hardware to it's limit to see how it handles. Sometimes it's fun to go way beyond them.
Thanks for the tip on the Linux distro. I do want to try more Linux installs on older 32 bit hardware and Mint version 19 looks interesting.
@@JanusCycle I'd be super interested in how it handles other OS's for sure. Great video btw!
thanks for ur great videoes.
i want to install linux on lumia 950xl , how can i do that? win 11 is so slow on it and does not work at all
I'm running Tiny 11 ARM on my 950XL and it's better. There are a couple of Linux ports, but they are very incomplete and not well supported.
@@JanusCycle i wonder if someone will port windows xp to it
Maybe "Tiny10" could be a good option to try on this phone! 😉
You should try Tiny10 version...
I recomend you yo use Ubuntu mate, i use It on old equipment ando It use less hardware than lubuntu, running fluid
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your network adapter is going to be SDIO its a royal bitch to get the thing running
Can u actually edit the options file and try to set ridiculous settings for it to run better? Like 320 x 240 and other things like that.
That's an interesting idea. I would like to try a cut down Windows 10 'Lite' version.
@@JanusCycle cant wait to see that
Talking about slow Windows 10, that's why I use modified version. No Bloatwares, No Background process, No anything
You should try windows 10 superlite by ghost
hi im thinking about buying this phone and i was wondering where can i buy the dock
because i cant find it anywhere
Probably the best place is to keep watching your favourite Japan Yahoo auction proxy site. These phones sometimes come with the dock
akyrim is so intrensely customizeable that you can basically get the game to run in 2d and only render like 2 ft infront of you it can run on almost anything
capable of running somthing far less cmplex
Yeah thats something he should try
i want that phone. i really need that
Can it run tiny 11?
ill break into ur house if u dont make a 3rd trilogy
ok here i am
Can you try windows 8.1?
I think its faster than windows 7 and windows 10 when i tried it on a potato laptop.
I've always wanted to try Windows 8.1. I do need a break from this phone. But it will be a future project.
@@JanusCycle part 2?
I wouldn't expect the CPU to cause lag on a video game. Usually when the frames are rendering slow, it's the GPU that's struggeling. From experience, often when the CPU is slowing things down you start seeing the entities, physics and other stuff that is controlled by the CPU run in slow motion.
The biggest issue with Windows 10 is probably the emmc being extremely slow. When my RAM gets full it usually doesn't have issues at all, or the entire system locks up and the display drivers start crashing. When the drive is slow, right click menus, the start menu, settings and boot and sleep times are extremely slow. But often that gets much better once Windows finishes running Store app updates and Windows updates in the background.
that is very, very wrong. you must have been lucky enough not to use a cpu-bottlenecked system. but cpu performance is actually even more important than gpu, but in truth you need a balance as to avoid one component to bottleneck the other. a system with a slow cpu will not only run at a bad frame rate, but it will have more inconsistent and stuttery performance doing so. anyway, there are cases that even my 5800x3d limits my 6900xt, so you can bet a 1.2ghz mobile cpu that is a single core (i'm assuming) will limit gaming. skyrim is way out of this thing's league. you need to go back 10 years further to give it any chance to running a game in real time. morrowing ran decently with 1ghz cpus
@@GraveUypo That's weird, I had a laptop from 2006, and it'd always run games graphically fine at a decent 30fps, but the movement of entities and physics objects would always go in slow motion because the CPU just couldn't calculate it fast enough. I could see it in activity monitor and killing other processes that used cpu would always make the games a bit faster. It might be just a weird case I experienced but I have never seen a system get slow frames from a full cpu, not on mac and not on windows.
I have a suggestion for Linux. Just install arch. Literally just arch. You'll bee booted into a command line interface from which you can pick and install components to your needs and liking.
while arch may run a bit better, it's far from the most user friendly. no offense to janus cycle but if he struggled to rotate the monitor, i think arch may prove impossible to use. a tweaked lubuntu install is the best choice for a beginner
Why did you not just use windows phone 8 or windows 10 mobile because made for phones? There was even a phone sold with windows 10 mobile and linux dual boot
Looks like windows 10 was able to get some kind of graphics acceleration, where while linux was able to set a display mode, it seemed to be not using any kind of acceleration at all. :/ It looks like the linux desktop could be almost usable if it could get that going, but I have no idea what kind of GPU this thing is even using. It might be one of those old powervr GPUs in which case there's basically no hope.
I do believe it's a Powervr GPU, which is unfortunate.
Actually graphics acceleration works normally but rotating the display breaks both the touchscreen and acceleration (see last vid)
4 spf (seconds per frame)
unix based OS is the future ..
You need to try windows 8.1 or windows 8 on that thing because it would be a lot better then windows 10 performance wise.
A great suggestion, this will be good to try in a future video.
I know that this comment is very late, but can you redo video with installing Tiny10? I really want to see how it performs, because for Tiny10, ram isn't an issue.
I enjoy reading comments on older videos. I do want to try with this phone again. But I had a bad experience with Tiny 11 on my VAIO. I hope Tiny 10 is better in 1GB ram.
@@JanusCycle it is, someone even managed to get it to boot up with 128 mb of ram (you can probably guess it was with pagefile and beyond slow, but it worked!).
Have actually someone tried to boot Android X86 on this phone?
Also just saying even if you brick the bios, its possible to fix but painful...
I'm terrified of bricking the BIOS. But one day I will try editing it regardless.
@@JanusCycle Also did u find a bios file for the original one?
Is it arm based (arm32)?
Sort of. It has an arm cpu for the phone part, and an x86 cpu for the computer part.
Try Windows XP or ReactOS or android x86
Epic. Can it play corpse party?
Interesting game, it might just run.
@@JanusCycle try the 2008-2011 pc version. (the way the date is like that is because it was released in separate chapters. 5 was around 2010 and the 2011 one is an extra chapter)
Yo idk if it will work but try batocera
How bout test running and installing Android-x86 or BlissOS or even FydeOS or ChromeOS maybe even ReActOS
These are all great suggestions. It's that darn eMMC drive that is holding me back from trying anything too different. I would like to try things like Android-x86 on other devices first.
So wait. What other kind of hard drive works on it, M2, SSD? Which also makes me wonder if the real max ram is 2gb. You know after it's not being sold they stop doing reports on what it'll take, like the samsung split qwerty touchscreen umpc could take 2gb's of ram but it's only reported as 1gb of ram known to be supported.
Try reinstalling windows 7 on it
Why not try it again and use tiny 10?
We need phones like this today - with modern Android and Windows Dual-Boot, modern specs and a slider keyboard it would be my number 1 choice. I did try the FxTec Pro1 but after over 1 year of waiting it broke after a few hours of use (slider sensor) and the support was unable to help in reasonable timeline. BTW AFAIK their support still sucks, if the users can't help themself then there's not much to do.
The fact a Intel/AMD smartphone wasn't attempted again is criminal, no need for dual CPU. AMD and Intel are more than capable of making chips that make this thing look like a vacuum tube computer and don't get as hot. I get the feeling that ultra low TDP CPUs from these PC companies are an afterthought, but they're much more capable for mobile duty than stuff from the 2010s. Why use Android when there's mobile Linux? Will admit, it's rough and can't make it out of beta.
But that's because there's not much interest, presumably a gaming focused AMD/Intel smartphone would sell people on both mobile Linux and PC phones. Handheld PC sales keep going up, why not do a smartphone? And if you want to stick with Windows because you have a "EwW LiNuX" mindset then suit yourself. Hear me out first though, mobile Linux developers are trying to create an OS that has a mobile UI and a desktop UI that can easily switch modes as needed.
SteamOS is Linux and there's not too many complaints about game compatibility if you primarily play single player games on your Steam Deck, the Proton compatibility layer needs game developers to allow their anti cheat software on their multiplayer games to play nicely with it. Valve has gotten some studios to do this, if people keep buying Steam Decks (and Steam Phones if they ever become real) Proton will only keep improving.
Puppy Linux
put windows light on it
It is possible to re-chip the ram from 1GB to 2/4GB? It might look nice to run with Tiny 11 if the ram can be up at least 2GB. Haha
The CPU itself is maxed out at 1gb, it can't allocate 2gb
@@jaykoerner aww too bad.
Try installing debian 11
can it run doom?
Why Yes! I was able to run Doom on this in the real mode MS-DOS video :)
What about Android x86?
Yeah but 32 bit android x86 and try regular android 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Please try Ubuntu touch
Nice, I like it.
You know. Linux may be great for someone, but me. I have asus eeepc netbook and its kinda slow under win7. Reading over internet i have seen many suggestions to try lubuntu or arch or mint. So i've tested them all and its was terrible. No normal video drivers. No support for Fn-keys. No touchscreen drivers. No hibernation. No overdrive for cpu to overclocking up to 2Ghz. Its nearly unusable. Bruh.
Try older versions of windows 10, maybe 1807 or maybe even 1607
try windows tiny 11
Use the win 10 1151 that will work fin trust me
hmm i think this would barely be able to run quake3-level games at a decent speed. skyrim was a looooooooong shot. maybe morrowind.
Maybe you could get a bit more better experience if you used Windows 10 LTSB 2015 which is still officially being supported by Microsoft up to 2025.
I think tiny 10 would be better
will it run doom
:) check the Real Mode MD-DOS video for doom on here
@@JanusCycle microdoft
Tiny 11 please
you cant
But can it run Doom?
But can it run Crysis?
Doom: has alerady been run
Crysis: interessting idea.