Yep. Now it's just iPhones and iClones. I also miss when Android felt like a unique platform with ideas, such as the Moto Atrix which ran a specialized version of GNU/Linux. I wish I knew about this wonderful little machine back then! It would have been awesome to have a PC in my pocket.... and Still would be today! These days, all we have is iOS and Android. Just PDAs that can at their best feel like a Game console. Virtualizing GNU/Linux on an Android phone doesn't count in my book as it's not running fully-natively and has severe limitations.
@@Jbrimbelibap I've heard of that and the Librem 5. They're cool, but not full-blown laptop-in-your-pocket cool. They still don't have built-in input devices asides just the power and volume rockers from what I've seen.
This was heaps of fun. I really enjoy bringing different eras in tech history and watching them smash together. I will be trying other operating systems in the future. Including attempting to install another OS directly on the internal drive. That will be quite a challenge. I hope you enjoyed this video. Let me know what you think.
This is one hell of a beast. It kinds of remind me also of my Nokia, back then DOSBox was available for Symbian and i routinely tried to install other OSes on it.
"Bare Metal" I've seen that term before, but used as if not running something in a VM.I just know the idea simply as "running natively" which is nice to see DOOM running natively on this lil' thing. I wonder what all Desktop OS's can run on something so small? and I wish new versions of these would exist. larger 6+" displays, I'm not sure if any x-86-based SoC's are in production as everything's slowly going ARM more and more. I'd LOVE and handheld with a proper UEFI/BIOS bootloader VS the stingy crap we get now. Sure, UMPCs by GPD and Valve are great, but not as portable.
'Running natively' is a good description. I wish I had included this in my description. Thanks for bringing it up. Another term used is 'bare machine' when there are no other layers between the main software and the hardware. But I prefer the term bare metal to that, it sounds cooler.
@@JanusCycle It does. lol Rule of thumb is to NOT run sketchy software Bare metal, but through a Hypervisor. Unless one has disposable hardware lmao Anywho, thanks for the response, and have a good one!
@@magnusboman1576 it does, Ive run Debian 10 and 11 on a Pentium 2 laptop with 128MB of RAM, 10 worked flawlessly but 11 lacked support for the GPU (weird no-name laptop). I also managed to get Alpine (with no GUI) working on an original Pentium with 24MB of RAM, using an extremely stripped down custom kernel and no initrd.
@@pluto9000 Raspbian is for ARM CPUs, optimized for RasPi boards. I think there was an x86 port a while back but at that point you can just use Debian.
I look forward to see other retro games running on this phone if possible. Both my Libretto 60ct's are running a bunch of retro game titles. The PCMCIA FDD and SCSI CDROM working great too:) and nice beard by the way :)
With an emulation of a 32 bit 80386 (like DOSBox) we can switch from the 16 bit Real Address Mode with a segment size of 64 kb into the 16 Bit Big Real Mode with a segment size for the DATA segment of 4 gb.
There's just the retail Docomo configuration, no precursor or unbranded or Wi-Fi or any other versions to F-07C, it's just a "flip phone" from this era. Think of a Verizon Kyocera phones except it's got Windows like a tumor side by side. No "beta BIOS" or updates or any leaks either. What some Japanese 2ch forum users were claiming was it's "easy" as clicking some dropdown menus if you just had all the tool suite and experiences for PhoenixBIOS motherboard development, which to me sounds like a weird way to tell me it's no-go.
Part of me really wants one.....the prices arent the issue but the availablity, they were quite plentiful last year...even scouring japan sites yields me nothing.
I really like this unique device. I have it myself. Just dont have much time to play with it. Defenetly recommending try some light weight linux os or play some games. Really hope there is a way to get modded bios for this phone/pc. Btw love ur videos!
Thanks! I have started investigating Linux on this. New video dropping shortly. Also I have started this Reddit post where I'm getting some great suggestions. www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/s3fbne/best_distros_for_unusual_portable_hardware/
No chance. I am willing to take a calculated risk. But so far I haven’t been able to read the BIOS out using the common DOS or Windows softwares. If I could do that then I would be tempted. It’s a Phoenix Award BIOS. I have more to learn.
Phone manufacturer today is too lazy they just copied everyone else, no innovation in terms of features/functionality, all of the highlights is on the cpu/ram/battery and camera which is lame.
@@JanusCycle there was an old premade iso floating around for a while, I think it was called iATK OS. I had mixed results running it on a P4 machine (live install CD booted but I had issues with installation), the same disk booted on a Latitude E6400 though. I might still have the ISO but I cant link it here if I do
@@JanusCycle the iso I have is named iATKOS_S3_version2.iso, I can't link it directly but that should point you in the right direction. I'm a Linux fan myself but I enjoy running random operating systems on random devices lol.
I miss when phone makers would try crazy things like this.
Now every phone is the same, even down to looks.
This phone is extra crazy :)
Definitely a shame, i'd love a modern version of this, but apparently people don't want to have chimera devices
Yep. Now it's just iPhones and iClones. I also miss when Android felt like a unique platform with ideas, such as the Moto Atrix which ran a specialized version of GNU/Linux. I wish I knew about this wonderful little machine back then! It would have been awesome to have a PC in my pocket.... and Still would be today!
These days, all we have is iOS and Android. Just PDAs that can at their best feel like a Game console. Virtualizing GNU/Linux on an Android phone doesn't count in my book as it's not running fully-natively and has severe limitations.
@@steventechno Have you heard about the Pine phone pro ?
@@Jbrimbelibap I've heard of that and the Librem 5. They're cool, but not full-blown laptop-in-your-pocket cool. They still don't have built-in input devices asides just the power and volume rockers from what I've seen.
This was heaps of fun. I really enjoy bringing different eras in tech history and watching them smash together. I will be trying other operating systems in the future. Including attempting to install another OS directly on the internal drive. That will be quite a challenge. I hope you enjoyed this video. Let me know what you think.
This is one hell of a beast. It kinds of remind me also of my Nokia, back then DOSBox was available for Symbian and i routinely tried to install other OSes on it.
I really like that DosBox is available on so many different platforms. I'm keen to test it out on the most obscure devices I can find.
@@JanusCycle back in the day there was idos on the appstore to have literal dos, also idos history is pretty cool.
This thing is still mind blowing even today!
Love your coverage of this crazy thing
Thank you, I'm really enjoying it.
this channel's getting popular each time i come to visit, and by each visit you start to seem more and more like Michael MJD
He makes some great videos!
"Bare Metal" I've seen that term before, but used as if not running something in a VM.I just know the idea simply as "running natively" which is nice to see DOOM running natively on this lil' thing. I wonder what all Desktop OS's can run on something so small? and I wish new versions of these would exist. larger 6+" displays, I'm not sure if any x-86-based SoC's are in production as everything's slowly going ARM more and more. I'd LOVE and handheld with a proper UEFI/BIOS bootloader VS the stingy crap we get now. Sure, UMPCs by GPD and Valve are great, but not as portable.
'Running natively' is a good description. I wish I had included this in my description. Thanks for bringing it up.
Another term used is 'bare machine' when there are no other layers between the main software and the hardware. But I prefer the term bare metal to that, it sounds cooler.
@@JanusCycle It does. lol Rule of thumb is to NOT run sketchy software Bare metal, but through a Hypervisor. Unless one has disposable hardware lmao Anywho, thanks for the response, and have a good one!
I"m interested to see how Linux would run on this thing, Fedora seems to support atom CPUs fairly well.
I can try Fedora. The CPU is 32-bit only, so it will be Fedora version 30. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@JanusCycle Fairly certain Debian still supports 32-bit with their latest versions, if you want something still supported.
@@magnusboman1576 it does, Ive run Debian 10 and 11 on a Pentium 2 laptop with 128MB of RAM, 10 worked flawlessly but 11 lacked support for the GPU (weird no-name laptop). I also managed to get Alpine (with no GUI) working on an original Pentium with 24MB of RAM, using an extremely stripped down custom kernel and no initrd.
What about Raspian?
@@pluto9000 Raspbian is for ARM CPUs, optimized for RasPi boards. I think there was an x86 port a while back but at that point you can just use Debian.
Great work, the NSSI software was written in the Czech Republic by Navrátil. Just a little fun fact.
I look forward to see other retro games running on this phone if possible. Both my Libretto 60ct's are running a bunch of retro game titles. The PCMCIA FDD and SCSI CDROM working great too:) and nice beard by the way :)
:)
With an emulation of a 32 bit 80386 (like DOSBox) we can switch from the 16 bit Real Address Mode with a segment size of 64 kb into the 16 Bit Big Real Mode with a segment size for the DATA segment of 4 gb.
6:16 Is this an early version of the phone?
I'm not sure, the only thing I know is that BIOS is different and cool.
There's just the retail Docomo configuration, no precursor or unbranded or Wi-Fi or any other versions to F-07C, it's just a "flip phone" from this era. Think of a Verizon Kyocera phones except it's got Windows like a tumor side by side. No "beta BIOS" or updates or any leaks either. What some Japanese 2ch forum users were claiming was it's "easy" as clicking some dropdown menus if you just had all the tool suite and experiences for PhoenixBIOS motherboard development, which to me sounds like a weird way to tell me it's no-go.
Part of me really wants one.....the prices arent the issue but the availablity, they were quite plentiful last year...even scouring japan sites yields me nothing.
Keep on the Japan Yahoo sites, they will pop up from time to time.
I really like this unique device. I have it myself. Just dont have much time to play with it. Defenetly recommending try some light weight linux os or play some games. Really hope there is a way to get modded bios for this phone/pc. Btw love ur videos!
Thanks! I have started investigating Linux on this. New video dropping shortly. Also I have started this Reddit post where I'm getting some great suggestions. www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/s3fbne/best_distros_for_unusual_portable_hardware/
maybe you can try freedos, and see what happens. Don't know if free-dos will have better tools to handle the vertical screen.
I am Think The Hynix (maybe Toshiba) Chip Is Storage For Recovery Partition Utility
very interesting, thank you.
Curious, what soundcard support does this have in DOS? Or are you running the SBEMU for AC'97 to SB emulation?
Should have ran dos off a floppy drive for authenticity
You need to modify the BIOS to rectify the screen issue before trying anything else! 😉
I would love to modify the BIOS, but it's very risky. I do think it will be worth the risk if I can get more information.
@@JanusCycle getting the original bios is the best thing to do
You need to try Windows Vista or XP on this
It's hard to install these OSs on an eMMC hard drive. But I do want to try and see if it can be done.
Try running ReactOS on it lel
ReactOS sounds interesting. Thanks, I'll be trying that.
Hello, what's the song at 10:10 to the end? i can't determine it with shazam :\ Thanks!
The music is from this demo :)
ua-cam.com/video/Iq_GeQyLOas/v-deo.html
No chance on getting that other bios right? I think modding the BIOS would be an interesting thing to do, I always take thos risks on my machines .)
No chance. I am willing to take a calculated risk. But so far I haven’t been able to read the BIOS out using the common DOS or Windows softwares. If I could do that then I would be tempted. It’s a Phoenix Award BIOS. I have more to learn.
@@JanusCycle how much did u pay for the device? It seems so rare lol
wonder if the asus zenfone 2 will do any of this, mine is running a x86 version of android 5.0
I didn't know the zenfone 2 was x86. It will depend on the BIOS. Which I suspect would be designed for Android.
asus zenfone 2 can run windows with kvm
@@JanusCycle has a intel atom, not sure of the model off the top of my head, I have a laptop with the same one. Think its pineview?
Please send a link to download msdos
I don't have one, I just search WinWorld for a link.
@@JanusCycleOk Thanks :D
@@JanusCyclewas the one you downloaded a iso or a zip file?
Dude devices were so much better when they weren't as locked down!
Hi, can you please 🙏 try tinkering windows 7 and 10 on the ps vita
!!!DUMP THE BIOS DUMP THE BIOS DUMP THE BIOS!!!
Do you have a tool recommendation?
that's gotta be impossible to find and a fortune if you do, no?
They were only sold in Japan. They can sometimes be found there second hand. But the dock was optional and harder to find.
@@JanusCycle thank you for the response!
I think Skyrim begs to be played on this phone
Then I will have to try Skyrim :)
@@JanusCycle retry with ridiculous settings
Phone manufacturer today is too lazy they just copied everyone else, no innovation in terms of features/functionality, all of the highlights is on the cpu/ram/battery and camera which is lame.
Obviously this video is old and you've already done a Linux video on it, but it would be interesting to hackintosh this thing lol.
I have tried a few ISOs, but they didn't run. The CPU is 32bit and I need to learn more about how legacy hackintosh works.
@@JanusCycle there was an old premade iso floating around for a while, I think it was called iATK OS. I had mixed results running it on a P4 machine (live install CD booted but I had issues with installation), the same disk booted on a Latitude E6400 though. I might still have the ISO but I cant link it here if I do
Looks like the website still exists but they don't have the old builds anymore
@@JanusCycle the iso I have is named iATKOS_S3_version2.iso, I can't link it directly but that should point you in the right direction. I'm a Linux fan myself but I enjoy running random operating systems on random devices lol.