@@JubileeGiggles it produces the same series as moorer's eq.4, it's basically a 2 op FM synth :D j/k, the diff'rent approach adds significantly.. i posted a separate comment (i've released a free vst that does polygons and stars) if anyone wants to find it.
I'm feeling rather old, having started on a Roland SH-09, two reel to reels to bounce tracks and no effects. Thanks so much for continuing to expand the sonic minds of all ages of viewers!
Wow, that's a hell of an oscillator! From 9:53 - holy cow, that sounds great! You're really getting some beautiful sounds out of that module. And that FX Aid reverb sounds wonderful. Great review Loop!
I'm in love with this module! It combines my love of geometry with my love of sound generation. I'm more into boutique synths combined with pedals, but I'll be getting a small eurorack case just for this module and a filter.
Jesse van Aalderen I don’t know the answer to that question. I was thinking of sound waves that might be more complex on a microscopic scale than the traditional sine, saw, square etc. I wondered what the edge of a fractal might look like if it was made into a sound wave.
@@JesseSep. I asked my optics lecturer about that in college once. He didn't have an answer but asked for some of what I was smoking. I was actually thinking about the fractal shape of harmonics while messing with my synths on a tab of acid a few days before.
Fractal just means that there's endless detail zooming in, and natural harmonics are already theoretically like that, although I suppose the resonating bodies might eat away some of them
This is pretty interesting. It is a large module! I would love to see the idea implemented as a plugin or a Reaktor thing, Voltage modular module, or other. The roll feature with a function input is basically a 2D ring mod: it applies a 2D rotation matrix to the vector of functions x and y where the angle of rotation is the input function (LFO, audio oscillator, or whatever).
This reminds me a lot of jerobeam fenderson. But having something like this for modular synthesis is incredible. I wish I could play around with this for a bit just to see what sounds one can find based on how interesting the shapes are.
Man is this a deep oscillator. Mine arrived a few days ago and today was the first chance I had to get started with it. What a blast!! I had some pretty amazing and unique drones going with just the Polygogo, Make Noise QPAS, Mutable Instruments Beads, and a couple of LFOs from the OCHD to modulate the Polygogo and Beads. I totally lost track of the time and when I eventually wrapped things up I was at it for 4 hours. I also have the Acid Rain Maestro but I need to learn it. It should make for some very interesting patches once I wrap my head around it.
Check out Soundemote -- They were making the plugins from this tech approach for a few years now, based on work by Jerobeam Fenderson... This is really just basic Oscilloscope synthesis. The Soundemote stuff goes way beyond what this modular synth does, but its still cool to have as hardware now. Osci-Studio is a program for making oscilloscope music made by Jerobeam Fenderson and Hansi Raber. Check out Jerobeam Fenderson's youtube, Soundemote plugins, and Osci-Studio. There is a smarter every day video where he interviews them and explains a bit about how this approach to sound synthesis works. I think one thing that is being overlooked and can be very complicated in how these sounds get worked into mixing and mastering and people need to be aware of it, be careful... it uses phase-shifting to create the "Shapes" made by the waveforms. So a basic sine-wave (circle shape) bass note may seem like a regular clean bass note sine wave, but it is not, it is phase-shifted between left and right stereo signals 90 degrees out of phase... if this gets translated back into the mix and converted to mono for a subwoofer reproduction of the bass, there will be a lot of cancellations and other issues. While I love this type of "visual" approach to sound synthesis in all this oscilloscope music stuff, that is the one thing I think needs to be a warning to take into consideration, all of the sounds are going to have lots of aspects to the waveforms that are 90 degrees out of phase between left and right channels.
@@MaxChromaColor I did see that smarter every day video and it absolutely blew my mind! But that sort of stuff is way way behond what I want to invest in it in time. I just want pretty circles and stars to play around with to get that visual feedback and satisfaction. I'll definitely take a look at SoundEmote, and not only because that sequencer they have totally drew my attention... Looks wild!
@@MaxChromaColor This. It surprised me that it never gets mentioned. Of course cancellation becomes less of an issue when you start using teeth and also smaller sides numbers which I guess is what this synth aims for, very harsh and noisy sounds, but it's worth noting nonetheless.
That thing is epic! I have yet to delve into hardware modular.. and thus, know very little about it. Polygonal synthesis seems pretty unique though. Some of the sounds you were coming up with were amazing. I love the graphic interface.. shape and sound are inseparable. You have a nice set up here for this demo.. seems pretty compact in comparison to the giant overwhelming racks I've seen in pictures and other videos! I've had a bug to get into hardware for years.. Polygogo looks and sounds like lots of fun. Great demo!
Yes, inputting CV on Fold while Teeth is off is safe. Teeth is just normalled through to Fold when nothing is plugged in there (notice the blue line with an arrow running from the Teeth slider to the Fold input jack).
Hey! Always enjoy your videos. I have a question about production because I manage a microscopy & microanalysis lab and we want to make some videos for outreach, etc. How do you overlay the spectrum views in your videos (and with perspective effect no less)? I want to add similar overlays of different sources to educational videos we are making of our workflows… and I really like how you have added these but in a manner so much cooler than typical picture-in-picture framing.
This thing is the exact reason i got into modular. For now, it seem to be the most unique oscillator out there. Cant wait. Already order it. Waiting to see how this pairs with the xaoc odessa,with lot of modulation and effects. Wish it would be poliphony or at list duophony. Thank, awesome review!
Oh, what a great video to start the year! As I said in Instagram, I'm was really looking forward to get this thing, since its launch. But man, that introduction really made up my mind 100%. Sounds absolutely gorgeous! I would love to listen those harsher sounds being heavily filtered by Qpas, also modulated, which is something I do with my Bassimilus + Font.
@@loopop Yeah, for sure! As the Polygogo is just an oscillator, not a full voice, the level control in the QPAS is also super handy. Quite a big and expensive pair of modules, but also quite awesome.
My Polygogo came today and nothing I do seems to adjust the pitch. Not sure if its defective or user error. But it's not the most enjoyable experience at the moment...
Some questions that are hopefully interesting and easy to test with the module in front of you: Is there any way to get externally modulated through-zero FM/PM? (Say, can negative CV into Roll send it backwards?) And can the pitch be pushed lower than the bottom of the slider? A highly folded output at slow-LFO rates might make an interesting modulation source.
What are those two layering oscilloscopes over your synth ? and how you put them there? So you can't see them when playing... you just put them after editing video... but how and wtf? Thanks
they're not really there - it's added in post. I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionaly I’ll use scopes by VCV
They might invent the term "polygonal synthesis", but they definitely didn't invent the method. The method comes from 19th century mathematics of harmonic motion, invesigated by Nathaniel Bowditch and Jules Antoine Lissajous (search for Lissajous curve) and in music those works are used under the term of "oscilloscope music" (search the work of Jerobeam Fenderson for example). These guys just made a handy modular synth that uses already known principles. I'm myself can do similar things with a couple oscillators, fx and oscilloscope. There's even programms that can turn somewhat complex images to waves, that will draw these images on the oscilloscope.
Ziv - The sound is interesting. The manner of visualising perhaps even more so. The form factor? Not so much. In fact not at all. Take tiny knobs, pack them close together and then cover them with a nest of patch cords. E-RM is another company whose engineers are caught up with the excitement of an idea, but forget that it is human beings with 10 chubby fingers, not spider appendages, that must operate the end product. I find it fascinating that E-RM's homepage currently shows a video by Henning Baer talking about the ergonomics of his studio - featuring lots of old style gear that was designed with attention to such concerns. Intellijel contributes to the lunacy. They argue that a product designed for this form factor "fits comfortably on your desktop; in your backpack; at your favourite coffee shop; in your jam space; or pretty much anywhere else you might desire to play." I suppose 56 pounds of Adam powered speakers go to the coffeeshop too. Miniaturisation is fine for a backpack guitar, but there was a good reason the Arp 2600 took up an entire desk top. It could have been made significantly smaller, but for ease of use and for the sake of clarity Pearlman and his team made an instrument that was about as luggable as a double bass. It's knobs, sliders and switches were designed for the human scale of both students and working musicians. I realise that the Polygogo is not so much an instrument as a component, or perhaps more accurately, a demonstration of the potential of an idea, but it's being sold for a pretty hefty sum. For this kind of money, the company owes the user a bit more thought.
all comments welcome :) imho the sliders are actually very generous for performing (the knobs indeed are small but they are for attenuating mod sources
Dogboy73 Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionaly I’ll use scopes by VCV
meangene408 Space drone is much different than the first two, metaphysical and skrewell are different in their sound generation to the synth shown here, they both have an XY scope though just like this module
Are there similarities between this and the Vector Synth? I realize that their releases are far apart and there are different concepts at play. But, something about the two synths seems similar. If you do make a synth video reviewing the vector synth, could you include the poly gogo? In the same video?
I was struggling to understand what the different shapes represented (except the circle which is clearly a sine wave, the triangle and square which are clearly those respective waveforms). Then I read on Thomann that it is "Based on the complex two-dimensional amplitude shaping of sine waves". So it's a pair of sine wave oscillators being put through a harmonic filter, with the stages between each of the polygons representing the waveform becoming progressively closer to one or another waveform type. I guess 😆
i’d really like to understand how this works. i feel like i *almost* get it, but i’m still having trouble wrapping my head around it. it’s really fucking cool, regardless. any online resources i could look at?
damn, that thing is super cool! I'm curious if it's actually processing the oscs differently, or if it's just representing the wave form differently. Strange that a square shape makes a triangle wave form, and a triangle shpae makes a saw wave...haha
Hello. Could you tell me what a tiny case do you use in this video? And what additional modules do I have to buy to get finish polygonal synth? Thank you so much
Making an interesting synth voice is quite challenging today, and Polygogo is a great one! I'm not sure about its originality though, while I was watching your review I kept thinking of the OP1 from Teenage Engineering mainly because of the visuals on the screen.
Two totally different things. The OP-1 image you are thinking of is the Tombola Sequencer, which is a sequencer that uses a Hexagon that can open and close. This Polygogo module is using a variety of shapes that you can morph between to affect its actual Oscillators.
def. not original, seen 2d animation tapped for audio since the 60s. i (xoxos) released a polygonal vst (mota, 2.4 32 bit soz but its free) earlier this year, tho i was inspired by an article on antialiasing the algorithm from dafx. based on the featureset, i believe intelligel is the author of that work. "oscilloscope synthesis" (and multidimensional) are both regions with numerous precedents
I wonder what it would sound like if this company made one BIG SYNTH and had 4 polygogos on it serving as 4 different oscillators and you could stack them, layer them, and combine them however you want. Kind of similar to the Moog Model D except changed a bit.
Very confused, is this a new kind of synthesis? From what I understand it's 2 Wavetable synths in FM? Probably missing something here but the cool visual display (and it is super duper cool, would love one) doesn't make it a new kind of synthesis?
Hey loopop! I’ve been looking around for a while planning my first rack. Would you be willing to do a video on the Xaoc Drezno (both with and without the expanders)?
Depends on what you do with it - I think the sounds in the intro are quite unique but my wife says everything I do sounds the same :) By the way, as a VJ, and like I mention in the video, I don't think module is just about the sounds
same harmonics as moorer's eq.4 .. fundament of FM synthesis, basically 2 op with some neat ways to interact with it. (made a separate post, i've developed a similar synth.. i'm relatively sure that this developer didn't make the moorer observation based on their articles in dafx)
Heads up warning: The maker of Polygogo started out in MaxMSP and failed to go beyond something basic. The trick is that it actually is just audio->graphics, but with math that's focused on getting the graphics right. He ended up using C cause the math was so horrible.
If the left/right are 90deg out of phase, you could send this to Serato or Xwax and possibly mess with playback. (since this looks like the visualizer for the control tone) Also there are some frequencies in this thing that make my eyes twitch.
Thanks for considering it :) if you leave before the end of the month you won't be charged anything - it's a trust based thing, if you find it valuable stick around, if not, no worries.
At the mod all part. Do you have a video of how you did that on your patreon? Cause that right there...I'll be done bought this whole setup just for that part lol
@@tragicbeatzs8183 Ha I have samples on Patreon but no not a walkthrough, it's just a patch the modulates everything with different rate LFOs, as well as the LFO modulating itself... it is indeed beyond the scope of an unmodified Rev2
Normal synth makers: OSC 1 OSC 2
This module: SPINNY TRIANGLE WITH TEETH
I mean this is dealong with additive harmonics, so it's basically like hundreds of sine oscs on one unit
@@JubileeGiggles yeah, seems basically like wavetable synthesis, but a very cool approach to it.
Finally a company doing something a bit different 😉 Although I do feel like I have seen this before 🤔 Not sure where though.
@@JubileeGiggles it produces the same series as moorer's eq.4, it's basically a 2 op FM synth :D j/k, the diff'rent approach adds significantly.. i posted a separate comment (i've released a free vst that does polygons and stars) if anyone wants to find it.
@@SyntheticFuture moorer's eq. 4, same harmonics (soz for double post ppl, reply to person doesn't create notifications)
Dude, thank you for over-laying the EQ onto the video. I'm a very visual learner so it helped me a bunch to understand what was going on
15:12
Sounds like a tennis match in the 4th dimension.
I'm feeling rather old, having started on a Roland SH-09, two reel to reels to bounce tracks and no effects. Thanks so much for continuing to expand the sonic minds of all ages of viewers!
Wow, that's a hell of an oscillator! From 9:53 - holy cow, that sounds great! You're really getting some beautiful sounds out of that module. And that FX Aid reverb sounds wonderful. Great review Loop!
This is cool. So nice to see someone trying to do something new.
I'm in love with this module! It combines my love of geometry with my love of sound generation. I'm more into boutique synths combined with pedals, but I'll be getting a small eurorack case just for this module and a filter.
What are some of your favorite boutique synths?
you will also need VCA, envelope generator and kind of MIDI to CV converter
I hope some Eurorack company will come up with some form of Fractal Synthesis with fractal harmonics that surround the fundamental tone.
Joseph Wright arent harmonics fractal in nature? They just extend past the audible spectrum quite quickly
Jesse van Aalderen I don’t know the answer to that question. I was thinking of sound waves that might be more complex on a microscopic scale than the traditional sine, saw, square etc. I wondered what the edge of a fractal might look like if it was made into a sound wave.
go software, chaos synthsis.. soundemote and xoxos (me) have done vst freebies
@@JesseSep. I asked my optics lecturer about that in college once. He didn't have an answer but asked for some of what I was smoking. I was actually thinking about the fractal shape of harmonics while messing with my synths on a tab of acid a few days before.
Fractal just means that there's endless detail zooming in, and natural harmonics are already theoretically like that, although I suppose the resonating bodies might eat away some of them
This is pretty interesting. It is a large module! I would love to see the idea implemented as a plugin or a Reaktor thing, Voltage modular module, or other. The roll feature with a function input is basically a 2D ring mod: it applies a 2D rotation matrix to the vector of functions x and y where the angle of rotation is the input function (LFO, audio oscillator, or whatever).
It's kind of crazy how an oscillator can take up most of the space a Behringer Model D does in a rack. A very complex oscillator, but still.
Model D = 70 HP. Polygogo = 32 HP.@@mikeexits
Of course you got the øchd already 😁 Such a cool little module!
17:03 hmm almost reminds me of portal 2 music
Had the same thought!
Mind thoroughly blown! Thank you, Ziv, for helping us get our new year off to a rip-roaring start. Hope 2020 brings you nothing but the best.
Thanks so much!
This is definitely one of the modules I am most excited about! Nice walk-through!
This reminds me a lot of jerobeam fenderson. But having something like this for modular synthesis is incredible. I wish I could play around with this for a bit just to see what sounds one can find based on how interesting the shapes are.
Accidental R2D2 at 3:30 :D
haha yeah I heard the same!
Saw "polygonal synthesis", rolled eyes. "What kind of stupid gimmick is this gonna be?" Within a minute I was hooked. What an idea!
Same, it sounds great and looks great too! Fantastic interface.
Man is this a deep oscillator. Mine arrived a few days ago and today was the first chance I had to get started with it. What a blast!! I had some pretty amazing and unique drones going with just the Polygogo, Make Noise QPAS, Mutable Instruments Beads, and a couple of LFOs from the OCHD to modulate the Polygogo and Beads. I totally lost track of the time and when I eventually wrapped things up I was at it for 4 hours. I also have the Acid Rain Maestro but I need to learn it. It should make for some very interesting patches once I wrap my head around it.
My favorite module since it came out. I use Erica Synths Black Joystick 2 to modulate the parameters. Lots of deep drone effects paired with reverb.
Wow! a physical Metaphysical (Native Instruments). Happy New(Stuff) Year!
Yeah - somewhere between that, an Animoog, and a Reaktor device. I love it(!) - but want the virtual version... :-/
Modules like these make me wish I had a eurorack setup
Cool module, thanks for the review! They should add an expansion module with an hdmi output, would be cool to throw those visuals on a wall.
My pleasure! Actually you can use any xy scope and plot the shape using the audio output. But yeah, the original is quite nice too...
that multi-modulator patch near the end is very sophie
I want this as a vst... this looks like a lot of fun :o
mota by xoxos (me) no foldover, but you get facet shaping so you can make stars
@@atomictraveller I'll check it out 👍🏻👌🏻
Check out Soundemote -- They were making the plugins from this tech approach for a few years now, based on work by Jerobeam Fenderson... This is really just basic Oscilloscope synthesis. The Soundemote stuff goes way beyond what this modular synth does, but its still cool to have as hardware now. Osci-Studio is a program for making oscilloscope music made by Jerobeam Fenderson and Hansi Raber. Check out Jerobeam Fenderson's youtube, Soundemote plugins, and Osci-Studio. There is a smarter every day video where he interviews them and explains a bit about how this approach to sound synthesis works. I think one thing that is being overlooked and can be very complicated in how these sounds get worked into mixing and mastering and people need to be aware of it, be careful... it uses phase-shifting to create the "Shapes" made by the waveforms. So a basic sine-wave (circle shape) bass note may seem like a regular clean bass note sine wave, but it is not, it is phase-shifted between left and right stereo signals 90 degrees out of phase... if this gets translated back into the mix and converted to mono for a subwoofer reproduction of the bass, there will be a lot of cancellations and other issues. While I love this type of "visual" approach to sound synthesis in all this oscilloscope music stuff, that is the one thing I think needs to be a warning to take into consideration, all of the sounds are going to have lots of aspects to the waveforms that are 90 degrees out of phase between left and right channels.
@@MaxChromaColor I did see that smarter every day video and it absolutely blew my mind! But that sort of stuff is way way behond what I want to invest in it in time. I just want pretty circles and stars to play around with to get that visual feedback and satisfaction. I'll definitely take a look at SoundEmote, and not only because that sequencer they have totally drew my attention... Looks wild!
@@MaxChromaColor This. It surprised me that it never gets mentioned. Of course cancellation becomes less of an issue when you start using teeth and also smaller sides numbers which I guess is what this synth aims for, very harsh and noisy sounds, but it's worth noting nonetheless.
Wow. The mathematics underpinning this module are really sophisticated.
@24:22 pressing the three buttons at the same time will lock the v/oct slider and knob!
That thing is epic! I have yet to delve into hardware modular.. and thus, know very little about it. Polygonal synthesis seems pretty unique though. Some of the sounds you were coming up with were amazing. I love the graphic interface.. shape and sound are inseparable. You have a nice set up here for this demo.. seems pretty compact in comparison to the giant overwhelming racks I've seen in pictures and other videos! I've had a bug to get into hardware for years.. Polygogo looks and sounds like lots of fun. Great demo!
Yes, inputting CV on Fold while Teeth is off is safe. Teeth is just normalled through to Fold when nothing is plugged in there (notice the blue line with an arrow running from the Teeth slider to the Fold input jack).
Awesome way to start the new year, what a cool module.
Hey!
Always enjoy your videos.
I have a question about production because I manage a microscopy & microanalysis lab and we want to make some videos for outreach, etc. How do you overlay the spectrum views in your videos (and with perspective effect no less)? I want to add similar overlays of different sources to educational videos we are making of our workflows… and I really like how you have added these but in a manner so much cooler than typical picture-in-picture framing.
Thanks! I just use premiere with a 3D or corner stretch effect
but can it run crysis?
Good God that sound at the end
I must get this one what a great time to Finley get into euro rack
Thanks for the video
This thing is the exact reason i got into modular.
For now, it seem to be the most unique oscillator out there. Cant wait.
Already order it. Waiting to see how this pairs with the xaoc odessa,with lot of modulation and effects.
Wish it would be poliphony or at list duophony.
Thank, awesome review!
I ordered this after seeing the review, I'm still waiting for mine to ship -.-
This thing is absolutely hypnotic to watch.
Fantastic review! Thx for demonstrating the product
Oh, what a great video to start the year! As I said in Instagram, I'm was really looking forward to get this thing, since its launch. But man, that introduction really made up my mind 100%. Sounds absolutely gorgeous! I would love to listen those harsher sounds being heavily filtered by Qpas, also modulated, which is something I do with my Bassimilus + Font.
Thanks! and yeah I didn't want make this about QPAS but the two pair nicely. There's a taste of it in the outro
@@loopop Yeah, for sure! As the Polygogo is just an oscillator, not a full voice, the level control in the QPAS is also super handy. Quite a big and expensive pair of modules, but also quite awesome.
sounds fantastic with the qpas
Outro jam was sick.
An oscillator made FOR oscilloscopes?! I must have died and gone to heaven!
tons and tons of work with synthesis for oscilloscopes.. jerobeam is teh don there, soundemote is teh evangelist, i've done a few as well (xoxos)
4:33 Halo shields recharging anyone?
Very cool module - thanks for the review. Happy 2020 from NDG!
This is so pleasent to watch
My Polygogo came today and nothing I do seems to adjust the pitch. Not sure if its defective or user error. But it's not the most enjoyable experience at the moment...
Some questions that are hopefully interesting and easy to test with the module in front of you:
Is there any way to get externally modulated through-zero FM/PM? (Say, can negative CV into Roll send it backwards?)
And can the pitch be pushed lower than the bottom of the slider? A highly folded output at slow-LFO rates might make an interesting modulation source.
Very great looks, amazing design.
However isn't this just about fancy displaying ?
Do you know another module that does the same thing without the visuals?
It sounds AWESOME!
What are those two layering oscilloscopes over your synth ? and how you put them there? So you can't see them when playing... you just put them after editing video... but how and wtf?
Thanks
they're not really there - it's added in post. I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionaly I’ll use scopes by VCV
They might invent the term "polygonal synthesis", but they definitely didn't invent the method. The method comes from 19th century mathematics of harmonic motion, invesigated by Nathaniel Bowditch and Jules Antoine Lissajous (search for Lissajous curve) and in music those works are used under the term of "oscilloscope music" (search the work of Jerobeam Fenderson for example). These guys just made a handy modular synth that uses already known principles. I'm myself can do similar things with a couple oscillators, fx and oscilloscope. There's even programms that can turn somewhat complex images to waves, that will draw these images on the oscilloscope.
Now they need to do a 3-D version to produce wavetables.
I bet Richard Devine is going crazy over this.
Wow! Still after years a whide variety of sounds! Thanx a lot! Do you think it‘s still a contra to wavetable?
This is just different - you don't load wavetables into this, you modulate its parameters to get different timbres
Ziv - The sound is interesting. The manner of visualising perhaps even more so. The form factor? Not so much. In fact not at all. Take tiny knobs, pack them close together and then cover them with a nest of patch cords. E-RM is another company whose engineers are caught up with the excitement of an idea, but forget that it is human beings with 10 chubby fingers, not spider appendages, that must operate the end product. I find it fascinating that E-RM's homepage currently shows a video by Henning Baer talking about the ergonomics of his studio - featuring lots of old style gear that was designed with attention to such concerns. Intellijel contributes to the lunacy. They argue that a product designed for this form factor "fits comfortably on your desktop; in your backpack; at your favourite coffee shop; in your jam space; or pretty much anywhere else you might desire to play." I suppose 56 pounds of Adam powered speakers go to the coffeeshop too.
Miniaturisation is fine for a backpack guitar, but there was a good reason the Arp 2600 took up an entire desk top. It could have been made significantly smaller, but for ease of use and for the sake of clarity Pearlman and his team made an instrument that was about as luggable as a double bass. It's knobs, sliders and switches were designed for the human scale of both students and working musicians. I realise that the Polygogo is not so much an instrument as a component, or perhaps more accurately, a demonstration of the potential of an idea, but it's being sold for a pretty hefty sum. For this kind of money, the company owes the user a bit more thought.
all comments welcome :) imho the sliders are actually very generous for performing (the knobs indeed are small but they are for attenuating mod sources
@@loopop IMHO, your opinions need never be qualified by humility. Thanks for the reply.
Holy Sound Balls! nice review dude
Amazing looking & sounding module. Very interested in this one. Definitely .......... even though it's pricey (just shy of $1000 here in Aus! :-/ )
What's the scope you use? I couldn't seem to find it on the Melda website.
Dogboy73 Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionaly I’ll use scopes by VCV
wow, awesome module, great sounds you make there, thx
Thanks!
Sync: 'of course' it doesn't let finish drawing the shape. You reset 'the shape' every time when a sync 'signal' comes in...
alchemy VST can kind of do this stuff and it was released way back in 2013 :)
Honestly I will buy it just to play with the shape thingies
This is the coolest thing. Lisajous figures probably need yet a different approach.
Is this not the same proccess that is used in Reaktor's Metaphysical, Skrewell and Space Drone?
meangene408 Space drone is much different than the first two, metaphysical and skrewell are different in their sound generation to the synth shown here, they both have an XY scope though just like this module
@@VirtualRiot I understand Space Drone is more of a vocoder type frequency modulation e.g the Anima but this still seems really close to Meta.
Are there similarities between this and the Vector Synth? I realize that their releases are far apart and there are different concepts at play. But, something about the two synths seems similar. If you do make a synth video reviewing the vector synth, could you include the poly gogo? In the same video?
I've not tried vector synth yet, but noted!
Happy New year!! Hard worker
Pretty cool! Very experimental.
Jerobeam is going to love this
17:00 Proper head bopping moment.
Dammit! Was soooo trying not to see this video. It found me, It knows I have money.
I was struggling to understand what the different shapes represented (except the circle which is clearly a sine wave, the triangle and square which are clearly those respective waveforms). Then I read on Thomann that it is "Based on the complex two-dimensional amplitude shaping of sine waves". So it's a pair of sine wave oscillators being put through a harmonic filter, with the stages between each of the polygons representing the waveform becoming progressively closer to one or another waveform type. I guess 😆
Can anyone explain why I can't make my polygogo play a C note when the slider is in the c3 mark? Calibration? How?
i’d really like to understand how this works. i feel like i *almost* get it, but i’m still having trouble wrapping my head around it. it’s really fucking cool, regardless. any online resources i could look at?
damn, that thing is super cool! I'm curious if it's actually processing the oscs
differently, or if it's just representing the wave form differently.
Strange that a square shape makes a triangle wave form, and a triangle shpae makes a saw wave...haha
Hello. Could you tell me what a tiny case do you use in this video? And what additional modules do I have to buy to get finish polygonal synth?
Thank you so much
Please see description
@@loopop OK.
The OP-1 has this type of synth within it. Couldn’t figure out which parameters the knobs are effecting. That thing is confusing.
Making an interesting synth voice is quite challenging today, and Polygogo is a great one! I'm not sure about its originality though, while I was watching your review I kept thinking of the OP1 from Teenage Engineering mainly because of the visuals on the screen.
Two totally different things. The OP-1 image you are thinking of is the Tombola Sequencer, which is a sequencer that uses a Hexagon that can open and close. This Polygogo module is using a variety of shapes that you can morph between to affect its actual Oscillators.
@@Genshi yes that's exactly right. Maybe I didn't phrase that right.
def. not original, seen 2d animation tapped for audio since the 60s.
i (xoxos) released a polygonal vst (mota, 2.4 32 bit soz but its free) earlier this year, tho i was inspired by an article on antialiasing the algorithm from dafx. based on the featureset, i believe intelligel is the author of that work.
"oscilloscope synthesis" (and multidimensional) are both regions with numerous precedents
That graphic looks beautiful
This thing is a beast
I wonder what it would sound like if this company made one BIG SYNTH and had 4 polygogos on it serving as 4 different oscillators and you could stack them, layer them, and combine them however you want. Kind of similar to the Moog Model D except changed a bit.
Very confused, is this a new kind of synthesis? From what I understand it's 2 Wavetable synths in FM? Probably missing something here but the cool visual display (and it is super duper cool, would love one) doesn't make it a new kind of synthesis?
It‘s not wavetablea but rather mathematics
shout-out to Igor! every time i visit my family in Ukraine i pick up a Happy Nerding module. god bless you Igor!
Hey loopop! I’ve been looking around for a while planning my first rack. Would you be willing to do a video on the Xaoc Drezno (both with and without the expanders)?
not currently
I want to know how to make the sound at 18:35 digitally. Additionally what kind of options are there for me for "frozen reverb" in a daw?
Check out RAUM from NI while it's free - it has a freeze function, as does Ableton's reverb
IT SOUNDS GREAT
this sounds like it could make some KILLER R2D2 sounds
You are my Hero... i love you!
Did they invent it or did they translate Animoog into a euro rack module? Isn’t this basically how animoog works?
or a reaktor patch....
Looks interesting! But does it really sound that different?
Depends on what you do with it - I think the sounds in the intro are quite unique but my wife says everything I do sounds the same :) By the way, as a VJ, and like I mention in the video, I don't think module is just about the sounds
same harmonics as moorer's eq.4 .. fundament of FM synthesis, basically 2 op with some neat ways to interact with it. (made a separate post, i've developed a similar synth.. i'm relatively sure that this developer didn't make the moorer observation based on their articles in dafx)
GReat review as expected!
Interesting concept, gotta model this in pure data or something. (:
btw: Happy new year Loopop!
awesome idea! keep us informed please!
btw +1
i’d love to see how this would look in pd!
i want to learn pure data. i understand the node workflow from the movie industry.
Heads up warning: The maker of Polygogo started out in MaxMSP and failed to go beyond something basic. The trick is that it actually is just audio->graphics, but with math that's focused on getting the graphics right. He ended up using C cause the math was so horrible.
Happy new year to you too :)
Very interesting, reminds me of those "oscillator picture music" videos
If the left/right are 90deg out of phase, you could send this to Serato or Xwax and possibly mess with playback. (since this looks like the visualizer for the control tone)
Also there are some frequencies in this thing that make my eyes twitch.
90 deg. phase can make one side "leading" especially with less complex timbres, have to mix it
soundemote prettyscope
why isn’t there a 3rd axis to indicate 3D space?
thinking about writing a polygonal sinthesis patch in pd just to let this run on my organelle... gonna have to brush up on my math I guess...
Somewhere out there is a visual artist with a musical bent, watching this and having a field day
Ugggggh additive eurorack osc, so friggin COOL
What size case is that? I got the DFAM and Mother...more wires calling me...
RUSTiK Inc it’s Palette from intellijel - around 60hp I think
Hey , is there anyway to see a preview of the patreon book? or like a summary of the contents?
Thanks for considering it :) if you leave before the end of the month you won't be charged anything - it's a trust based thing, if you find it valuable stick around, if not, no worries.
I couldn't actually see the Snake-Oil button ?
At the mod all part. Do you have a video of how you did that on your patreon? Cause that right there...I'll be done bought this whole setup just for that part lol
At what point in the video? It’s been a while
@@loopop 15:10 . Sounds amazing. I don't think I could do any of that with my prophet rev 2 lol
@@tragicbeatzs8183 Ha I have samples on Patreon but no not a walkthrough, it's just a patch the modulates everything with different rate LFOs, as well as the LFO modulating itself... it is indeed beyond the scope of an unmodified Rev2
17:34 that is really sick
Benn and Gear told me to subscribe here, but i already was... ha jokes on him.
For a second I thought those oscilloscopes at 0:34 were real pieces of gear 😂
@@loopop I meant that I thought they were physical pieces of gear lol
@@thecluff they are?
the cluff wait so are they real or just an after effects/vfx?
@@gregory_wainer It kinda looks like it? Lol
@@loopop Wait so is this a product I can buy?