honestly he's been great this year, he was the only driver not in a top 3 team to get a podium across the entire season (in imola). he's just been too much in no mans land as best of the rest to notice his performances much
@@barbonson_richardshe hasn’t gotten that much out of it.. Lando is great but he’s no verstappen that Mclaren was a great car a lot of the season one thing that is similar between Lando and max is the team building the car to each of their likings over the number 2 driver hence the big differences in teammates points
Zhou over-performing or Bottas under-performing? I don't think it's either of those two options. Zhou's improvement is largely down to Valtteri coaching him and being a strong team leader. Especially with developing the car and passing on his experience in how to give effective technical feedback to the team.
Also Bottas has had a ton of reliability issues. Zhou has improved, yes, but Bottas is still the faster of the two, and even scored points again in Brazil after a great quali and a great sunday.
I agree. Makes me wonder what Mick could have done with the same tutelage, better environment, and better car. I still think Alfa (with Ferrari encouragement) not rescuing Mick from the Mazepins was the first true warning sign for Mick's career. It told me Ferrari wasn't sold on him as a future driver.
@@UKDarkPredator wasn’t just Lando’s fault. The team asked his opinion. Never *TOLD* him to box. They had a radar showing rain incoming. They should’ve ordered him. 50/50 fault between team and driver for Sochi.
@242turbo i mean he is good but at the end the same guy that made big mistakes in races like france, imola or even silverstone making life harder then it should have been where a lando gets everything out even when ill. And Russell had his first year at merc won a race infront of Lewis (thats not so easy for over 70 lap) outperform him in the standings and was closing to checo and leclerc with the 3th best car. I dont think he outdrove charles but for a move from williams to merc being up there after such a short time is insane. He literally somehow got a pole a sprint win and a win when lewis couldnt get even 1 of them.
I really hope Landos career won‘t be wasted at McLaren and he will get a competitive car soon. He defo has the talent to compete for podiums every week and maybe even for a championship. He deserves it
when zhou was better towards the end of the season when that alfa was not capable of scoring points. Every wet race zhou outqualified bottas and in many races towards the end of the season he performed better than bottas throughout the whole weekend
Mate, Zhou has been unlucky several times in races, whether it being taken out in the Imola sprint, or the many times his car couldn’t be bothered to make it to the end. He has never crashed his car on his own, Mick Schumacher-style, ONCE. For a three race streak from Baku onwards, he was slightly outperforming Bottas. You also have to look at the experience gap, Zhou is a rookie, Bottas is a veteran of F1, called up to the best team in 2017 on merit and went on to achieve 10 race wins, some where he outperformed the Lewis Hamilton. For Bottas to beat Zhou in the standings in no surprise, but if Zhou hadn’t been so unlucky, the points gap would have been closer. He has put together a solid rookie season and I’m looking forward to see where he goes from here.
bottas scored almost all those points in the first few races when the alpha was the 4th/5th best car. Ofcourse that was zhou's first few races in the sport so you can't expect him to extract the most out of that car.
Points aren't everything. Look at ocon v fernando for instance, they're both good drivers but fernando is definitely the better of the two despite scoring less points. Zhou and fernando have both been unlucky this season. Also, its all relative. Zhou is a rookie while valtteri is an experienced driver. For zhou to be close to his pace towards the end of the season is a large testament to how well he performed
Charles is so underrated in my opinion, he went from a good driver to driving near Verstappen in some races which is mad, he did make mistakes in Imola and France, but I ask how many mistakes did Verstappen make in 2018? No one takes about how this is Charles 4th season and he’s made less mistakes then Verstappen did in his 4th season. He is very good in my opinion and doesn’t deserve most of the hate he has gotten Also the Ferrari car hasn’t been the best to drive and Charles and properly outperformed his teammate who we’ve seen is very competitive at times. Please someone tell me why he gets hate:)
This was Charles' 5th season mate, he debuted in 2018. I think Charles can take the fight to Max, but Max has the experience and the better personnel behind his back. If Charles is to beat Max for the title, it will have to happen in the factory and not on the track. And that's with no Lewis and George in the mix, they are gonna be a menace to deal with if Mercedes regains its usual turbohybrid form. I think most people had sympathy for Charles this season and blamed Ferrari for the wheels falling off of that championship contention.
Oh my bad, I meant 5th but true Max is faster however just because he is faster doesn’t mean Charles isn’t as impressive because there is clearly reasons why, and I would argue that if Charles was in the redbull and Verstappen was in the Ferrari then Charles might have been very impressive, which is something we need to consider because with Lewis it’s just the car, if Charles wins in 2023 it will be just the car, but if verstappen wins he’s the best and Charles is way behind, please correct if I’m wrong.
@@mrgalaxy396But I can understand what you are saying, but I feel like Mercedes has spent a lot of development on their 2022 car and other teams started on 2023 much earlier which is something to consider I think Mercedes will be really good however I feel like they might miss something in general which comes with spending less time, however I might be wrong on this.
Why does it matter if Max made mistakes in the past? The championship fights are now and you have to decide on who is the best at the moment. I also never see any Leclerc hate, everyone hates on Verstappen though. Also, Verstappens 2018 season was actually really good. Its just that the first 5 races were bad.
Bottas got snubbed, earned p6 for Alfa on his own virtually. That is extra 12 million in price money which the team really needs and Zhou is under his guidance which they themselves admitted so of course he is going to improve and maximize the car's potential, which dropped in the 2nd half
TBF to Pierre, his shunt with Lando in Miami wwasn't really his fault. He picked up damage (i think from Fernando) that ruined his steering. In the onboard of the crash you can see the car drifting towards Lando when he was steering away.
Arguing that Zhou had an equally good season to Bottas is so ridiculous. 49-6 points. I understand that Bottas had a bad 2nd half but still not worse than Zhou's. Who cares if he is a rookie or not. That matters on other things, like if he deserves a 2nd season and I think he does, he has shown enough. But it shouldn't matter on his rankings. I repeat, 49 to 6.
I don't think points can really tell the whole picture here. Zhou was a complete rookie at the beginning and it's no surprise that it was veteran Bottas who nabbed all the important points. But looking at how the season developed (when neither of them had many point scoring opportunities at all), Valtteri really didn't elevate himself from Zhou.
The point is that the vast majority of Bottas’s points came from the first 7-8 races. Meanwhile in this time Zhou was having a ton of mechanical failures and issues. I agree that bottas was better, but without the technical issues zhou could have picked up an additional 10-15 points in the first half imo.
i think this everytime i watch your videos but man i love the design work on your assets. It's nice watching someone who focuses on the other parts of the video other than just the talking part.
People are rating drivers high or low depends on their car performance.. Like Gasly last year(4th fastest car) VS now(3rd-4th slowest), Bottas first half of the season(4th fastest car) VS now(2nd-3rd slowest car)
If Gasly had the 4th fastest car last season, it makes his teammate’s finish even more embarrassing Behind both Aston Martins, behind Stroll in the 4th fastest car 😂
Looking at some of his dumb moves this season yeah "underrated",he is in F1 only because of his pops otherwise teams would skipp him for better drivers from F2. If Stroll sr sells AM i dont think Lance can last more that a season in F1 without his money.
@@Oblivion9873 He was 21-22 still extremely young and still got two podiums and of course one pole. He was really unlucky as well for example car troubles in Austria, was leading the turkey gp for 36 laps until undiscovered damage to his car caused increased graining to the tyres which cost him the win, Tyre puncture in Italy which cost him a free podium and he got covid like two times, also chance to win? Bro he had the third best car when the W11 was on the grid and let's not forget the W11 was the most dominant f1 car in all of the history of F1 to say he "failed spectacularly" in 2020 is a huge overstatement
People don’t respect norris enough so nice to see him getting a deserved rating. Bahrain the car wasn’t finished as it had the brake problems, Miami and Brazil dnf not his fault, Canada engine issues so he couldn’t overtake and spa the car was so bad he couldn’t recover to points from engine penalty. Points in every race and not a foot put wrong other than brazil incident with leclerc
Landdoooooooo! 🧡💙🧡💙 Really happy as a Lando fan that he's getting the recognition he deserves. The McLaren wasn't a great car this year but he still found a way to pull it through. And with a 8x winner teammate who really should have been able to figure the car out. I think 2023 is going to be a crazy tight fight at the front for the top 3 teams for sure.
Everyone likes to rip on Stroll but I actually think he’s pretty decent and has potential to win races one day. He’s still really young and definitely learned things from Vettel, is about to learn more from Alonso, has legit pace just struggles with too many mistakes.
Absolutely love to see that you're making it more objective with the fan votes, makes it different content to what others are putting out and can't wait for your channel to grow more!
Agree, he made only 3 big mistakes this season, which is not a high number at all. But people say he's always crashing and making mistakes, which is just false
The fact all Max hes teammates are still around in f1 currently (except Ricciardo). He totally destroyed them in the car with the quali or the race with one exception for hes first teammate Sainz. I think were witnessing something truly amazing, something we will definitly appreciate more 10 years later.
Just for fun, here's my rating: 20. Latifi - obviously; 19. Ricciardo - huge disappointment; 18. Schumacher - has potential but no consistency at all; 17. Tsunoda -read above; 16. Gasly - disappointing year, but not completely awful; 15. Zhou - solid rookie season, nothing more and nothing less; 14. Stroll - sometimes really good, sometimes really bad; 13. Magnussen - strong first half, weak second half (also was involved in couple of unnecessary incidents); 12. Albon - did well, all things considered; 11. Bottas - started out really well, wasn't as good in second half, salvaged himself at the end; 10. Vettel - just as unlucky as Alonso was this season, will be missed; 9. Ocon - consistent all throughout the season, needs to work on his teammate skills, though; 8. Perez - relatively good season, but too much of a gap between him and Max; 7. Sainz - improved constantly over the year, still not on Leclerc's level, though; 6. Alonso - old man still has it; 5. Hamilton - disappointing that his win streak ended, still put some great performances; 4. Russell - only ahead of Lewis because of his win, some dumb moments he made prevent him from being higher; 3. Leclerc - shame, real shame; 2. Norris - true underdog; 1. Verstappen - who else?
Awsome job Tommo. Great from you and the lads this season. Glad to see your channel and the numbers looking healthy. Keep it up dude and keep doing you ✌️👍
I think Fernando has been better than the Mercedes drivers. All three have gotten the max out of their cars but Fernando has made less mistakes. He did crash in Brazil but that's fresher in people's heads because it was recent but Lewis for example crashed in Austria, Spa and Singapore. 17:21 Without his bad luck, Fernando would definitely be ahead of Lando and by quite a bit. I've done my own calculations and he's lost over 70 points this season due to bad luck. 22:22 I think you could apply the same to Fernando. Lando also couldn't overtake Latifi of all people in Japan. 23:01 I'm glad you acknowledged that. People know Fernando has had bad luck and should be P7 in the championship, not behind his teammate yet the fact he isn't, it still plays into our subconscious, hence making people rate him lower. Unfortunately "bad luck" won't go in the history books but Fernando finishing behind Lando and his teammate in the standings will.
Of course you can argue that. I think Alonso and Norris were really close performance wise. But 70 Points... Every Driver has some bad luck. You can't count it this way. Count how often Ferrari cars broke and imagine it didn't happen and Alonso and Norris had quite a few Points less. Maybe there would have been other mistakes or things happen, If He'd finished this races what could have cost him Points. So there isn't a definitely be ahead, only a maybe. The McLaren did have issues too. Only broke down one for Norris, but there were Brake and engine issues a few times which cost him. But all in all, I agree Alonso should be ahead of both Mercedes drivers. My top five would be Max, Charles, Lando, Fernando, George
@@78drea Trust me, 70 points is accurate because not only has Fernando had 6 DNFs, races that he has finished he's still been unlucky like a loose wheel nut in Austria after not starting the Sprint, energy issues in Canada, terrible safety car timing in Australia after losing P2 in qualifying, the team ignoring his calls to pit early in Japan, etc.
@@hamza-chaudhry That weekend in Austria was awful, considering what he lost in the Sprint and the great pace in Sunday he might've even gotten closer to the top
i dont usually comment on videos but just wanted to say love the content, youre also one of the few youtubers who actually engages with your community by replying to comments and such, and i think that deserves some praise, keep up the great work.
It's insane to see how close the ratings were! I agree with the audience a bit more on a few like Alonso and albon but other than that you were spot on!
For me Alonso is easily P2. Simply because of the way he makes the best out of a bad situation and if his car didn't have reliability issues he would've been freaking amazing.
6:27 I don't think that's true. Stroll has been unlucky numerous times like Imola qualifying, Miami, France, Hungary whereas Seb has gotten lucky in Japan and Austin where the safety car timing meant he jumped Stroll which was further bad luck for Lance. 15:14 People just remember Seb because he's more popular but not Lance. Lance qualified in Q3 in Miami but him and Seb had to start from the pit lane. However, Lance made his way through into the points whereas Vettel made a big mistake by locking up and letting a chain of cars through. Then Stroll got taken out *twice* by Magnussen which was the only reason that Vettel was in the points in the first place. If anything, Stroll should have more points. Both have been equally wringing out the neck of the Aston Martin but Stroll has been unluckier. I think Seb and Lance had opposite seasons. In the first half of the season, Seb was quicker than Lance but made more mistakes but in the second half, Lance was faster but made more mistakes. I personally think they should be closer in the rankings. 7:49 Didn't Pierre have brake issues in Suzuka qualifying?
how can you not put Charles P2 tho. Yes Lando has been impressive don’t get me wrong but Charles is just on another level this season despite his two mistakes …
But thats just it right? He makes mistakes. The difference mainly is that Charles is in the 2nd (1st at the start of the season) fastest car on the grid. Yes ferrari made mistakes, but so did Charles. That mistake in France cost him so much. Lando rarely makes mistakes, and usually when he does they are minor or they happen because he is fighting for positions the car should not be in. And thats why its impressive, because he put the car where is shouldnt go. Leclerc was phenomenal, but so was Lando. And if we compare the machinery they were given, Lando impresses me more. Hope this clears it up!
@@naomiwoltinge yes but Charles was fighting for the championship (for the first time in his life) whilst Lando wasn’t. The difference of pressure is huge. If Lando would be fighting for the championship he would do as many mistakes as Charles if not more.
@@marrofe05 and then we would consider that in the seasons ratings, but thats not the case here. Also, carlos was under the same pressure, if not more, but he also got critisised massively for his mistakes, so its only fair to do the same to Charles. Personally I would rate them the same, but everyones opinion id different so i respect yours!
@@naomiwoltinge yes I see what you’re thinking of but Carlos did way more mistakes than Charles and had less strategy mistakes but I respect your opinion too
Stroll continues to be the most underrated driver on the grid. Disregarding his Baku result (retired but was still classified) and Vettel's Miami result (ran into by Schumacher) Stroll's average finishing position is only 1.03 lower than Vettel.
Don’t think it’s fair to put George ahead of lewis, the amount of work lewis did on the car earlier on in the year as well as the quali record and obvious race pace advantage lewis had makes it hard to put George above him, despite the point tally
I’m with you Tommo, pretty much exactly except I think I’d put stroll just ahead of Gasly. Gasly was a real disappointment this season and Stroll, minus his few spotlight mistakes, has been impressively consistent at the back of the midfield. Also, I still am not shocked we rated Vettel so low at the beginning of the season, when he came back after covid he looked like he was going to announce retirement after Australia. He started picking it up as the Aston performance also got better, and it was only as he started doing better that his retirement came as a surprise. But I thought it was coming after the first 5 races.
Bro! You did goatifi like that. Latifi on behalf of the tommo fans, we love you! You will be spoken forever thanks too Abu Dubai. How dare you say this king may never be spoken about 😂❤
Verstappen 2021: Vettel 2013 Leclerc 2022: Vettel 2018 Vettel 2022: Alonso 2018 Alonso 2022: Alonso 2012 Russell 2022: Hamilton 2009 Hamilton 2022: Schumacher 2005 Sainz 2022: Vettel 2019
Good comparison of Mick Schumi & Yuki Tsunoda there & well spotted how similar they were with inconsistent flashes of brilliance but also a lot of silly mistakes and crashes. I'd have put Stroll lower than both of those at least and wish Mick Schumi was getting another season but in general really hard to argue with these rankings. Gutted about Ric still, of course, and he did have covid at the start of the year _(after-effects of it later too maybe?)_ and a dreadful car that really did NOT suit his driving style and all but yeah.
Imma just say that checo has had it rough as compared to max, max has the full support of the team and gets aided by checo, if checo had that same treatment from max (Brazil) then it would be a bit better. But I don’t really know
Loved this. I think I can agree with most of the positions here, even vs the people who did the pole. Definitely Lando being P2 is the most agreeable spot.
Bro putting Perez because of the comparison with Max in 10th is criminal, specially close to the likes of Albon. 2022 Max would lap Albon every race if he was on Redbull.
22:20 putting Lando at P2 is bit weird as ofcourse he drove brilliantly in that mid Mclaren but there is some British bias here as Tommo you said that he was the only one outside top 3 teams to pick up a podium then why didn't anyone put Checo at P2 from 2012-2020 when this man did this same thing for nearly entirety of his career getting odd podiums with Sauber, Force India and Racing Point and undoubtedly was king of the midfield. I guess considering how tough for Checo the transition from a midfielder to top team driver has been plus he's experienced I'm not sure how Lando will perform if he gets into a top car maybe better than Checo but not better than Max or Charles I guess close to Russell's level.
Exactly! How can you even compare someone in midfield to someone fighting for wins and doing a bloody solid job and why the hell no one mentions Charles' superb race pace in Monaco, Silverstone, Hungary, AD? As much as I am impressed with Lando, he can't be rated higher than Charles.
@@toshannial Yeah, its hard to compare but you cant just give the top 6 drivers to the top 3 teams just because you cant compare them to the other teams
I mean same goes for stroll he had the same quali pace on average and points in the second half (remove japan and they are equal) but somehow he is 10 places apart lol but when tunoda performes around gasly even tho scoring less points its 1 position difference? Its a lot of bais here
Solid list. I think I'd actually boost Fernando above Charles and both the Mercedes boys, the guy has been INSANE this year, when you look at all the technical DNF's he's taken. Sure, it could just be the Alpine being the 4th best car in the field most of the time, but he still looked like he can easily challenge for a title. Also, I think I'd put Valtteri a few places higher. Sure, he's had an odd weekend here or there, and the quali gap to Zhou is a lot less than we expected (thumbs up for Zhou in that regard), but his race performances have been really good, and I'd have no problem putting him above K-Mag, Esteban and Checo, probably Alex as well. Side note - I'm still not sure what to think about Lando, purely because we haven't seen him fight at the top. We know he can shine in the mid-field, but what can he do, when a championship is really on the cards? Just gonna recall, that we once thought Valtteri could challenge for a title, when he was beasting the mid-field, so we really need Lando either to get better machinery from Mclaren, or to move to a challenging team.
Regarding what you said about Alonso being able to fight for a championship, all Aston Martin have to do is spend their money, new personnel and facilities, and make a car that bridges the gap to those top 3 teams and I think Alonso will be in that fight. Its looking on in a couple years...
P19 for Daniel is crazy. You're only putting him this low because of how good he used to be. There are at least 6 drivers who were worse throughout the season than Daniel. Latifi, Schumacher, Tsunoda, Stroll etc.
Overcompensating Lando, giving him a P2 might go down as the most overrated ranking this year. Im not saying he wasnt great but i kid you not he was not the second best driver of the year. Give him a race winning car i think he would be around Carlos or Georges level at best this season.
Impossible to know apart from the facts which show that he extracted everything from that McLaren and was the only driver outside the top 3 teams with a podium and 100+ points
@@manavkumar6590 Like I said he was great this year but top 2. Saying he was the second to max verstappen in terms of performance, no sir. Go look at the standings and race results, he and Fernando practically had the same season. Even the raw numbers don't help claim, let alone watching him race this season, no stand out performances bar emelia where Charles choked.
@@ntsakomathebula4840 He outqualified Alonso 14-8 in a slower car and was regularly either best of the rest or above. His performance at Imola came due to his qualifying performance in P3 which is equivalent to qualifying on pole considering the McLaren was the 5th fastest car that weekend. So no, Alonso wasn't anywhere near as impressive as Norris this season and doesn't deserve to be higher lmao. Dude's performance was massively overrated for someone who couldn't even beat his teammate
@@manavkumar6590 First,The mclaren is a faster lap pace car than the alpines and slower in the race due to its tire deg, Mclaren consistently said it was their biggest issue, that's why so many occasions Fernando would out manage lando and finish ahead, Zandvoort, Silverstone, Brazil, France, Baku. Also dont disrespect Ocon he had a decent season and if Fernando didn't DNF 6 times he would have had a firm lead over Ocon. You can Hang onto the Qauli performances hes had but nothing else proves your point
I remember reading about 6 years ago that we would see the top 4 drivers in F1 be Verstappen, LeClerc, Russell, Norris in the near future, without a shadow of a doubt. Yes Lewis and Nando were unlucky but it feels like we are at a turning point.
How was Lando ranked so high? He was in the 7/8 fastest car, finished in P7. He only had 6 finishes P6 or better. Don't get me wrong. He deserves a chance at a seat of a championship car. But, I don't see "he was punching above his weight" argument very convincing.
1) Max Verstappen 2) Charles Leclerc 3) Lando Norris 4) George Russell 5) Fernando Alonso 6) Lewis Hamilton 7) Esteban Ocon 8) Carlos Sainz 9) Sebastian Vettel 10) Sergio Perez 11) Alex Albon 12) Valtteri Bottas 13) Kevin Magnussen 14) Pierre Gasly 15) Lance Stroll 16) Zhou Guanyu 17) Yuki Tsunoda 18) Mick Schumacher 19) Daniel Ricciardo 20) Nicholas Latifi
Charles robbed again imo. And by the fans this time as well. His early fight with Max and insane quali laps under pressure were much more impressive than anything Lando has done the entire season.
Tommo, what do you think about doing teams ranking as well? You could take into consideration things like strategy, mechanics (pit-stops) and overall management (binotto wouldn't have a high score probably hehe)
Only one driver outside the top 3 teams getting a podium all season is a pretty damning stat for F1. This season was supposed to be more competitive with the new regulations but instead we've had one of the most dominant Red Bull seasons to date.
I swear no matter what Leclerc does any season, he's always underrated post season, in general I mean. As for Norris, drivers like Checo, Daniel, Charles and Sainz have done similar performances to him in the midfield in recent years, and they get rated 5th or 6th where Norris gets rated 2nd.
@@barbonson_richards Leclerc had much less luck than Sainz so no, if luck was taken out. Leclerc would be even further ahead. Sainz is sometimes 4 tenths a lap slower in race pace in the majority of races. They're not comparable. Leclerc is only as close as he is because of strategy that in turn made Leclerc finish behind Sainz. Monaco, Hungary, Silverstone are the key examples.
Checo had the 3rd fastest car in 2020 and nearly lost to Ricciardo in the 5th or 6th fastest car. He's one of the worst drivers on the grid. As for Sainz, it was pretty clear he was the 3rd or 4th best driver last year. Ricciardo was universally regarded as the 3rd best driver after 2020 and Leclerc was considered top 5 in both 2020 and 2021. Don't really see where your argument is
@@manavkumar6590 my argument is, that Norris wasn't the 2nd best driver this season. He didn't have midfield competition, his only competition in Alonso was breaking down every second race.
@@manavkumar6590 @Manav Kumar Ricciardo had 4th fastest car in 2020, Checo is not even close to being one of the worst drivers. Sainz was the luckiest driver in 2021 and was so much overrated, Lec was outperforming him the same like this season but because the gaps between places in the midfield are 2 or 3 points Lec couldn't catch Sainz back bc he was also one of the unluckiest drivers like this season but noone noticed none of it bc noone looks at the midfield
What’s crazy to me is when Charles did what Lando did this season he isnt even top 2 in the eyes of the people. He was best of the rest in 2020 and 2021 with a shitbox and he put it in places where it wasnt supposed to be. He was called Ch4rles or L3clerc from time to time, especially that 2020 season. So what did Norris do that warranted him p2 in peoples eyes?
The podium and the p4 fight all by himself in arguble a undrivible car. You can watch on f1 app they show the avarge race pace mclaren shouldnt have been p4 especially with just 1 men but lando was holding those hopes up. At the end if somebody beats a ric by over 3 times the points its impressive 2021 charles didnt even beat sainz in the standings.
@@emmasimpson5366 if youre going for best of the rest in points yeah, but ricciardo had the 4th best car while charles had 6th best car and had more honorable moments than Danny that season. Team bosses ranked eaxh driver in 2020 on who was the best drivers and Charles placed 3rd and Danny placed 4th. And 2021 Sainz had a race pace and qualy pace defecit with Charles and he only won in points lmao
@@ehrlichgesagt863 but Mclaren is 4th-5th best at best, on par with Alpine, was a shitbox at the start but it became a decent car by the end. The Ferrari car on 2020 was at best was 6th best car. And people claimed Charles 3rd or 4th best that season. Lando had 1 podium on the 4th best car, Charles had 2 on the 6th best car. But thats enough for him to be the 2nd best driver for a reason? Lmao.
I think you kinda have to put Bottas higher than Zhou just because in ways, if it weren't for Bottas, its very likely Zhou wouldn't be where he is as I'm pretty sure Zhou would have learnt so much from him, and Bottas is a nice guy and a team player, he could have made it so much more difficult for Zhou, I think for sure Bottas gave a lot to Zhou so just by default you have to put bottas higher, next season it will be different
1. MV1 2. Charles Leclerc 3. Lando Norris 4. George Russell 5. Fernando Alonso 6. Lewis Hamilton ' 7. Carlos Sainz 8. Sergio Perez 9. Esteban Ocon 10. Sebastian Vettel 11. Alex Albon 12. Valtteri Bottas 13. K- Mag 14. Pierre Gasly 15. Zhou Guanyu 16. Lance Stroll 17. Yuki Tsunoda 18. Daniel Ricciardo 19. Mick Schumacher 20. Nicholas Latifi
My drivers ratings 1. Max Verstappen 2. George Russell 3. Charles Leclerc 4. Lando Norris 5. Lewis Hamilton 6. Fernando Alonso 7. Sebastian Vettel 8. Esteban Ocon 9. Carlos Sainz 10. Sergio Perez 11. Alexander Albon 12. Valtteri Bottas 13. Kevin Magnussen 14. Guanyu Zhou 15. Pierre Gasly 16. Lance Stroll 17. Yuki Tsunoda 18. Mick Schumacher 19. Daniel Ricciardo 20. Nicholas Latifi
I get Checo hasn't been great on qualy, but the team is definitely favoring Max, development and strategy-wise all year long. Has Ocon really been better than Sergio this season? What is this ranking...
If you look at the collective ratings then it's probably fair to say that both Verstappen and Lattifi were on another level this year
Controversial
@@TommoMcCluskey if you think about it though.. he never said what kind of level, so he isnt wrong...........
Fair to sAy my guy
@@the_gilligan thanks for explaining the joke
We rated Nicholas GOATifi so high that he looped back to the end
I died 😂😂
👑 shit
Actually got a 12.4 but the system couldnt cope with 3 digits
Nah bro, he crashed then too! 😂
i have a ratio package for you
Lando deserves all the credit for this season, he does his own thing and extracts what's possible out of the car even when he isn't feeling 100%.
Id give anything to wish it stayed dry
Doing bits
Reminds me of young verstappen, consistently getting the most from a weak car
honestly he's been great this year, he was the only driver not in a top 3 team to get a podium across the entire season (in imola).
he's just been too much in no mans land as best of the rest to notice his performances much
@@barbonson_richardshe hasn’t gotten that much out of it.. Lando is great but he’s no verstappen that Mclaren was a great car a lot of the season one thing that is similar between Lando and max is the team building the car to each of their likings over the number 2 driver hence the big differences in teammates points
The fact Lando got zero driver W just shows how consistent he was and people got used to him being in the points constantly
It's a good point
Zhou over-performing or Bottas under-performing? I don't think it's either of those two options. Zhou's improvement is largely down to Valtteri coaching him and being a strong team leader. Especially with developing the car and passing on his experience in how to give effective technical feedback to the team.
Agreed: Zhou’s improvements are to Bottas’s credit, not his detriment
zhou was averaeg
Also Bottas has had a ton of reliability issues. Zhou has improved, yes, but Bottas is still the faster of the two, and even scored points again in Brazil after a great quali and a great sunday.
Zhou has the dream teammate for a rookie no doubt
I agree. Makes me wonder what Mick could have done with the same tutelage, better environment, and better car. I still think Alfa (with Ferrari encouragement) not rescuing Mick from the Mazepins was the first true warning sign for Mick's career. It told me Ferrari wasn't sold on him as a future driver.
Russia 2021 was still such a disappointment not to see Norris get that well-earned first win. Hopefully that'll come in the next year or two for him!
His time will come
He bottled it.
that race was heartbreaking, like russel in sakhir or charles in bahrain
@@UKDarkPredator He did, yes. That doesn’t stop it from being disappointing though.
@@UKDarkPredator wasn’t just Lando’s fault.
The team asked his opinion. Never *TOLD* him to box. They had a radar showing rain incoming. They should’ve ordered him.
50/50 fault between team and driver for Sochi.
As a Lando fan I'm always so happy to see how highly people rate him. It warms my heart
Bottas always will be underrated by the F1 community in general
Generally, I agree with you, but Bottas was very underwhelming in the second half of the season
I don't think we've seen a single impressive bottas overtake or defence
Bottas is nothing special at all.
@Tomás absolutely not terrible, just not as good as Lewis and also a very willing teammate
@242turbo i mean he is good but at the end the same guy that made big mistakes in races like france, imola or even silverstone making life harder then it should have been where a lando gets everything out even when ill. And Russell had his first year at merc won a race infront of Lewis (thats not so easy for over 70 lap) outperform him in the standings and was closing to checo and leclerc with the 3th best car. I dont think he outdrove charles but for a move from williams to merc being up there after such a short time is insane. He literally somehow got a pole a sprint win and a win when lewis couldnt get even 1 of them.
The day Lando wins a race will be the happiest day in Formula 1.
Gasss
Mehh..
was it?
I really hope Landos career won‘t be wasted at McLaren and he will get a competitive car soon. He defo has the talent to compete for podiums every week and maybe even for a championship. He deserves it
Bottas 49 - Zhou 6
I know Zhou is a rookie but putting him above is insane. Whats wrong with some people?
when zhou was better towards the end of the season when that alfa was not capable of scoring points. Every wet race zhou outqualified bottas and in many races towards the end of the season he performed better than bottas throughout the whole weekend
Context matters my friend
Mate, Zhou has been unlucky several times in races, whether it being taken out in the Imola sprint, or the many times his car couldn’t be bothered to make it to the end. He has never crashed his car on his own, Mick Schumacher-style, ONCE. For a three race streak from Baku onwards, he was slightly outperforming Bottas. You also have to look at the experience gap, Zhou is a rookie, Bottas is a veteran of F1, called up to the best team in 2017 on merit and went on to achieve 10 race wins, some where he outperformed the Lewis Hamilton. For Bottas to beat Zhou in the standings in no surprise, but if Zhou hadn’t been so unlucky, the points gap would have been closer. He has put together a solid rookie season and I’m looking forward to see where he goes from here.
bottas scored almost all those points in the first few races when the alpha was the 4th/5th best car. Ofcourse that was zhou's first few races in the sport so you can't expect him to extract the most out of that car.
Points aren't everything. Look at ocon v fernando for instance, they're both good drivers but fernando is definitely the better of the two despite scoring less points. Zhou and fernando have both been unlucky this season.
Also, its all relative. Zhou is a rookie while valtteri is an experienced driver. For zhou to be close to his pace towards the end of the season is a large testament to how well he performed
Charles is so underrated in my opinion, he went from a good driver to driving near Verstappen in some races which is mad, he did make mistakes in Imola and France, but I ask how many mistakes did Verstappen make in 2018? No one takes about how this is Charles 4th season and he’s made less mistakes then Verstappen did in his 4th season. He is very good in my opinion and doesn’t deserve most of the hate he has gotten
Also the Ferrari car hasn’t been the best to drive and Charles and properly outperformed his teammate who we’ve seen is very competitive at times.
Please someone tell me why he gets hate:)
Ferrari need to hold up their end of the bargain. If they do, I really hope Charles can deliver.
This was Charles' 5th season mate, he debuted in 2018. I think Charles can take the fight to Max, but Max has the experience and the better personnel behind his back. If Charles is to beat Max for the title, it will have to happen in the factory and not on the track. And that's with no Lewis and George in the mix, they are gonna be a menace to deal with if Mercedes regains its usual turbohybrid form. I think most people had sympathy for Charles this season and blamed Ferrari for the wheels falling off of that championship contention.
Oh my bad, I meant 5th but true Max is faster however just because he is faster doesn’t mean Charles isn’t as impressive because there is clearly reasons why, and I would argue that if Charles was in the redbull and Verstappen was in the Ferrari then Charles might have been very impressive, which is something we need to consider because with Lewis it’s just the car, if Charles wins in 2023 it will be just the car, but if verstappen wins he’s the best and Charles is way behind, please correct if I’m wrong.
@@mrgalaxy396But I can understand what you are saying, but I feel like Mercedes has spent a lot of development on their 2022 car and other teams started on 2023 much earlier which is something to consider I think Mercedes will be really good however I feel like they might miss something in general which comes with spending less time, however I might be wrong on this.
Why does it matter if Max made mistakes in the past? The championship fights are now and you have to decide on who is the best at the moment. I also never see any Leclerc hate, everyone hates on Verstappen though.
Also, Verstappens 2018 season was actually really good. Its just that the first 5 races were bad.
Bottas got snubbed, earned p6 for Alfa on his own virtually. That is extra 12 million in price money which the team really needs and Zhou is under his guidance which they themselves admitted so of course he is going to improve and maximize the car's potential, which dropped in the 2nd half
TBF to Pierre, his shunt with Lando in Miami wwasn't really his fault. He picked up damage (i think from Fernando) that ruined his steering. In the onboard of the crash you can see the car drifting towards Lando when he was steering away.
Arguing that Zhou had an equally good season to Bottas is so ridiculous. 49-6 points. I understand that Bottas had a bad 2nd half but still not worse than Zhou's. Who cares if he is a rookie or not. That matters on other things, like if he deserves a 2nd season and I think he does, he has shown enough. But it shouldn't matter on his rankings. I repeat, 49 to 6.
I don't think points can really tell the whole picture here. Zhou was a complete rookie at the beginning and it's no surprise that it was veteran Bottas who nabbed all the important points. But looking at how the season developed (when neither of them had many point scoring opportunities at all), Valtteri really didn't elevate himself from Zhou.
@@extremegrieferbible agree
@@extremegrieferbible didn't elevate himself from Zhou? Scored more points in the second half of the season aswell
@@Made-in-Vienna What does that even mean ? By that logic, 4 time world champion Vettel didn't impress by beating Stroll but here we are
The point is that the vast majority of Bottas’s points came from the first 7-8 races. Meanwhile in this time Zhou was having a ton of mechanical failures and issues. I agree that bottas was better, but without the technical issues zhou could have picked up an additional 10-15 points in the first half imo.
i think this everytime i watch your videos but man i love the design work on your assets. It's nice watching someone who focuses on the other parts of the video other than just the talking part.
Much appreciated Kobe!
Dunno how many people have pointed it out, but I really like the layouts you used for driver pictures/positions in this video.
Cheers Bruno!
People are rating drivers high or low depends on their car performance.. Like Gasly last year(4th fastest car) VS now(3rd-4th slowest), Bottas first half of the season(4th fastest car) VS now(2nd-3rd slowest car)
Alpha tauri last year 4th best ???
Alpha Tauri 4th fastest 😂😂😂😂. Youre a funny man
Ah yes let's conveniently ignore Lando in 2nd, Albon in 9th, Checo in 10th
Exactly, its kinda good the order however the car performance still affects it too much
If Gasly had the 4th fastest car last season, it makes his teammate’s finish even more embarrassing
Behind both Aston Martins, behind Stroll in the 4th fastest car 😂
Stroll is the most underrated driver on the grid, only 23 years old too, defo can win races in the future if given the car to do it
Finaly, someone that acknowledges Lance’s pace. On his day he’s stupid fast, but unfortunately still makes silly mistakes. A Maldonado esque driver.
He was given the car to do it 2 years ago and failed spectacularly
Looking at some of his dumb moves this season yeah "underrated",he is in F1 only because of his pops otherwise teams would skipp him for better drivers from F2. If Stroll sr sells AM i dont think Lance can last more that a season in F1 without his money.
@@Oblivion9873 What? He was winning easily my men in turkey if he would have gotten the best Strategie he was leading for 40 lap.....
@@Oblivion9873 He was 21-22 still extremely young and still got two podiums and of course one pole. He was really unlucky as well for example car troubles in Austria, was leading the turkey gp for 36 laps until undiscovered damage to his car caused increased graining to the tyres which cost him the win, Tyre puncture in Italy which cost him a free podium and he got covid like two times, also chance to win? Bro he had the third best car when the W11 was on the grid and let's not forget the W11 was the most dominant f1 car in all of the history of F1 to say he "failed spectacularly" in 2020 is a huge overstatement
Alright, Tommo being affected by the British bias spray is kind of comedic
0:47 Danny Ric with 2x W's and L's. "Perfectly balanced..." etc etc.
yet he put him below Mick💀
People don’t respect norris enough so nice to see him getting a deserved rating. Bahrain the car wasn’t finished as it had the brake problems, Miami and Brazil dnf not his fault, Canada engine issues so he couldn’t overtake and spa the car was so bad he couldn’t recover to points from engine penalty. Points in every race and not a foot put wrong other than brazil incident with leclerc
Leclerc the 2nd year in a row he gets underrated
Valtteri is so underated!!!
Alonso and Lewis should get a room already, can't separate this power couple on track and off track.
Landdoooooooo! 🧡💙🧡💙 Really happy as a Lando fan that he's getting the recognition he deserves. The McLaren wasn't a great car this year but he still found a way to pull it through. And with a 8x winner teammate who really should have been able to figure the car out. I think 2023 is going to be a crazy tight fight at the front for the top 3 teams for sure.
Everyone likes to rip on Stroll but I actually think he’s pretty decent and has potential to win races one day. He’s still really young and definitely learned things from Vettel, is about to learn more from Alonso, has legit pace just struggles with too many mistakes.
Absolutely love to see that you're making it more objective with the fan votes, makes it different content to what others are putting out and can't wait for your channel to grow more!
It seems like Yuki gets punished more for his mistakes compared to other drivers
Most if the times his mistakes are either really important or really stupid
Yuki is a little bit underrated
Agree, he made only 3 big mistakes this season, which is not a high number at all. But people say he's always crashing and making mistakes, which is just false
*Pierre Gasly has entered the chat*
He makes some fucking bonehead errors, Britain punished the team if anything
The fact all Max hes teammates are still around in f1 currently (except Ricciardo). He totally destroyed them in the car with the quali or the race with one exception for hes first teammate Sainz. I think were witnessing something truly amazing, something we will definitly appreciate more 10 years later.
Just for fun, here's my rating:
20. Latifi - obviously;
19. Ricciardo - huge disappointment;
18. Schumacher - has potential but no consistency at all;
17. Tsunoda -read above;
16. Gasly - disappointing year, but not completely awful;
15. Zhou - solid rookie season, nothing more and nothing less;
14. Stroll - sometimes really good, sometimes really bad;
13. Magnussen - strong first half, weak second half (also was involved in couple of unnecessary incidents);
12. Albon - did well, all things considered;
11. Bottas - started out really well, wasn't as good in second half, salvaged himself at the end;
10. Vettel - just as unlucky as Alonso was this season, will be missed;
9. Ocon - consistent all throughout the season, needs to work on his teammate skills, though;
8. Perez - relatively good season, but too much of a gap between him and Max;
7. Sainz - improved constantly over the year, still not on Leclerc's level, though;
6. Alonso - old man still has it;
5. Hamilton - disappointing that his win streak ended, still put some great performances;
4. Russell - only ahead of Lewis because of his win, some dumb moments he made prevent him from being higher;
3. Leclerc - shame, real shame;
2. Norris - true underdog;
1. Verstappen - who else?
Awsome job Tommo. Great from you and the lads this season. Glad to see your channel and the numbers looking healthy. Keep it up dude and keep doing you ✌️👍
Appreciate it Dom 🙌
Charles ranked below Lando is actually wild
You just don't pay attention to the midfield
@@andrewf9423 This take was almost a year ago now and it’s still Charles >>> Lando 😂
I think Fernando has been better than the Mercedes drivers. All three have gotten the max out of their cars but Fernando has made less mistakes. He did crash in Brazil but that's fresher in people's heads because it was recent but Lewis for example crashed in Austria, Spa and Singapore.
17:21 Without his bad luck, Fernando would definitely be ahead of Lando and by quite a bit. I've done my own calculations and he's lost over 70 points this season due to bad luck.
22:22 I think you could apply the same to Fernando. Lando also couldn't overtake Latifi of all people in Japan.
23:01 I'm glad you acknowledged that. People know Fernando has had bad luck and should be P7 in the championship, not behind his teammate yet the fact he isn't, it still plays into our subconscious, hence making people rate him lower. Unfortunately "bad luck" won't go in the history books but Fernando finishing behind Lando and his teammate in the standings will.
Of course you can argue that.
I think Alonso and Norris were really close performance wise.
But 70 Points... Every Driver has some bad luck. You can't count it this way.
Count how often Ferrari cars broke and imagine it didn't happen and Alonso and Norris had quite a few Points less.
Maybe there would have been other mistakes or things happen, If He'd finished this races what could have cost him Points.
So there isn't a definitely be ahead, only a maybe.
The McLaren did have issues too. Only broke down one for Norris, but there were Brake and engine issues a few times which cost him.
But all in all, I agree Alonso should be ahead of both Mercedes drivers.
My top five would be
Max, Charles, Lando, Fernando, George
@@78drea Trust me, 70 points is accurate because not only has Fernando had 6 DNFs, races that he has finished he's still been unlucky like a loose wheel nut in Austria after not starting the Sprint, energy issues in Canada, terrible safety car timing in Australia after losing P2 in qualifying, the team ignoring his calls to pit early in Japan, etc.
Don't worry my friend. I will be there to remind people of the shit reliability he had
@@hamza-chaudhry That weekend in Austria was awful, considering what he lost in the Sprint and the great pace in Sunday he might've even gotten closer to the top
I can agree with this completely but I wouldn't put him ahead of the Mercs, I would put him above lando
Really well made video, love the crowdsourcing comparison, thank you;
Love that the fan chosen rating for GR aligns with my own for once
I love your reviews and predictions and the best are you looking back at your predictions a year later.
i dont usually comment on videos but just wanted to say love the content, youre also one of the few youtubers who actually engages with your community by replying to comments and such, and i think that deserves some praise, keep up the great work.
As a fan how did y’all vote Leclerc P4
Seems pretty fair. Well done tommo
It's insane to see how close the ratings were! I agree with the audience a bit more on a few like Alonso and albon but other than that you were spot on!
It's really interesting how similarly these drivers were rated by people. Just shows there's not a whole lot in it.
@@TommoMcCluskey or there's just enough to tell them apart 🤔
Carlos at P8 & P7 is criminal imo. Gap to Charles has closed considerably toward the end of the season.
For me Alonso is easily P2. Simply because of the way he makes the best out of a bad situation and if his car didn't have reliability issues he would've been freaking amazing.
lando still would have been best of the rest it would be closer tho
6:27 I don't think that's true. Stroll has been unlucky numerous times like Imola qualifying, Miami, France, Hungary whereas Seb has gotten lucky in Japan and Austin where the safety car timing meant he jumped Stroll which was further bad luck for Lance.
15:14 People just remember Seb because he's more popular but not Lance. Lance qualified in Q3 in Miami but him and Seb had to start from the pit lane. However, Lance made his way through into the points whereas Vettel made a big mistake by locking up and letting a chain of cars through. Then Stroll got taken out *twice* by Magnussen which was the only reason that Vettel was in the points in the first place. If anything, Stroll should have more points. Both have been equally wringing out the neck of the Aston Martin but Stroll has been unluckier.
I think Seb and Lance had opposite seasons. In the first half of the season, Seb was quicker than Lance but made more mistakes but in the second half, Lance was faster but made more mistakes. I personally think they should be closer in the rankings.
7:49 Didn't Pierre have brake issues in Suzuka qualifying?
I still dont see how people can put Zhou, Tsunoda, Mick above Stroll
Bottas' season has been criminally underrated, easily better than Seb, K Mag, Albon, and Ocon imo
how can you not put Charles P2 tho. Yes Lando has been impressive don’t get me wrong but Charles is just on another level this season despite his two mistakes …
But thats just it right? He makes mistakes. The difference mainly is that Charles is in the 2nd (1st at the start of the season) fastest car on the grid. Yes ferrari made mistakes, but so did Charles. That mistake in France cost him so much. Lando rarely makes mistakes, and usually when he does they are minor or they happen because he is fighting for positions the car should not be in. And thats why its impressive, because he put the car where is shouldnt go.
Leclerc was phenomenal, but so was Lando. And if we compare the machinery they were given, Lando impresses me more. Hope this clears it up!
@@naomiwoltinge yes but Charles was fighting for the championship (for the first time in his life) whilst Lando wasn’t. The difference of pressure is huge. If Lando would be fighting for the championship he would do as many mistakes as Charles if not more.
@@marrofe05 and then we would consider that in the seasons ratings, but thats not the case here. Also, carlos was under the same pressure, if not more, but he also got critisised massively for his mistakes, so its only fair to do the same to Charles. Personally I would rate them the same, but everyones opinion id different so i respect yours!
@@naomiwoltinge yes I see what you’re thinking of but Carlos did way more mistakes than Charles and had less strategy mistakes but I respect your opinion too
are we gonna get a reaction video to your pre-season predictions of 2022?
Stroll continues to be the most underrated driver on the grid.
Disregarding his Baku result (retired but was still classified) and Vettel's Miami result (ran into by Schumacher) Stroll's average finishing position is only 1.03 lower than Vettel.
Don’t think it’s fair to put George ahead of lewis, the amount of work lewis did on the car earlier on in the year as well as the quali record and obvious race pace advantage lewis had makes it hard to put George above him, despite the point tally
My Rankings:
1.Verstappen
2.Leclerc
3.Russell
4.Norris
5.Alonso
6.Hamilton
7.Perez
8.Ocon
9.Sainz
10.Bottas
11.Vettel
12.Magnussen
13.Albon
14.Stroll
15.Zhou
16.Gasly
17.Ricciardo
18.Tsunoda
19.Schumacher
20.Latifi
Thanks for another season of great content. Roll on 2023
I’m with you Tommo, pretty much exactly except I think I’d put stroll just ahead of Gasly. Gasly was a real disappointment this season and Stroll, minus his few spotlight mistakes, has been impressively consistent at the back of the midfield.
Also, I still am not shocked we rated Vettel so low at the beginning of the season, when he came back after covid he looked like he was going to announce retirement after Australia. He started picking it up as the Aston performance also got better, and it was only as he started doing better that his retirement came as a surprise. But I thought it was coming after the first 5 races.
Bro! You did goatifi like that.
Latifi on behalf of the tommo fans, we love you!
You will be spoken forever thanks too Abu Dubai.
How dare you say this king may never be spoken about 😂❤
22:10 legendary clip
Verstappen 2021: Vettel 2013
Leclerc 2022: Vettel 2018
Vettel 2022: Alonso 2018
Alonso 2022: Alonso 2012
Russell 2022: Hamilton 2009
Hamilton 2022: Schumacher 2005
Sainz 2022: Vettel 2019
Great rankings, hard to disagree with them. Will you be reviewing your 2022 season predictions aswell?
Good comparison of Mick Schumi & Yuki Tsunoda there & well spotted how similar they were with inconsistent flashes of brilliance but also a lot of silly mistakes and crashes. I'd have put Stroll lower than both of those at least and wish Mick Schumi was getting another season but in general really hard to argue with these rankings. Gutted about Ric still, of course, and he did have covid at the start of the year _(after-effects of it later too maybe?)_ and a dreadful car that really did NOT suit his driving style and all but yeah.
Alex advantage over Latiffi was bigger than George Russell's apparently.
Undeniably Russell>Albon. Could be Latifis worsened?
@@rishids98 Or maybe, the car suited Albon relatively more, and Latifi less.
@@lthecatt9667 Latifi said on Beyond the Grid that the car was extremely difficult to drive and Albon dealt with it much better than him
@@lthecatt9667 there you have it.
Well it was though, wasnt it
Quali wise russell was better, but race pace albon did better in that williams than russell
Y'all are criminally underrating Ocon. Consistency, consistency consistency
Babe wake up! There's another banger Tommo video
Leclerc shafted again,🤐
Proud Ocon fan. Don't give a shit. Underrated driver and I love his story. F1 twitter is like football twitter i.e. don't listen to them.
Lewis was the 2nd best driver this season given the machinery he was driving yet fighting for race wins on 5-6 occasions.
P11 for Ocon is very harsh, feel like people didn’t rly keep track of his season
Alonso got allot more out of the car, figuratively and unfortunate enough: literally
love these vids Tommo
Imma just say that checo has had it rough as compared to max, max has the full support of the team and gets aided by checo, if checo had that same treatment from max (Brazil) then it would be a bit better. But I don’t really know
Loved this. I think I can agree with most of the positions here, even vs the people who did the pole. Definitely Lando being P2 is the most agreeable spot.
Bro putting Perez because of the comparison with Max in 10th is criminal, specially close to the likes of Albon. 2022 Max would lap Albon every race if he was on Redbull.
22:20 putting Lando at P2 is bit weird as ofcourse he drove brilliantly in that mid Mclaren but there is some British bias here as Tommo you said that he was the only one outside top 3 teams to pick up a podium then why didn't anyone put Checo at P2 from 2012-2020 when this man did this same thing for nearly entirety of his career getting odd podiums with Sauber, Force India and Racing Point and undoubtedly was king of the midfield. I guess considering how tough for Checo the transition from a midfielder to top team driver has been plus he's experienced I'm not sure how Lando will perform if he gets into a top car maybe better than Checo but not better than Max or Charles I guess close to Russell's level.
Exactly! How can you even compare someone in midfield to someone fighting for wins and doing a bloody solid job and why the hell no one mentions Charles' superb race pace in Monaco, Silverstone, Hungary, AD? As much as I am impressed with Lando, he can't be rated higher than Charles.
And also I'd put Alonso higher than Lando.
@@toshannial Yeah, its hard to compare but you cant just give the top 6 drivers to the top 3 teams just because you cant compare them to the other teams
I mean same goes for stroll he had the same quali pace on average and points in the second half (remove japan and they are equal) but somehow he is 10 places apart lol but when tunoda performes around gasly even tho scoring less points its 1 position difference? Its a lot of bais here
Solid list.
I think I'd actually boost Fernando above Charles and both the Mercedes boys, the guy has been INSANE this year, when you look at all the technical DNF's he's taken. Sure, it could just be the Alpine being the 4th best car in the field most of the time, but he still looked like he can easily challenge for a title.
Also, I think I'd put Valtteri a few places higher. Sure, he's had an odd weekend here or there, and the quali gap to Zhou is a lot less than we expected (thumbs up for Zhou in that regard), but his race performances have been really good, and I'd have no problem putting him above K-Mag, Esteban and Checo, probably Alex as well.
Side note - I'm still not sure what to think about Lando, purely because we haven't seen him fight at the top. We know he can shine in the mid-field, but what can he do, when a championship is really on the cards? Just gonna recall, that we once thought Valtteri could challenge for a title, when he was beasting the mid-field, so we really need Lando either to get better machinery from Mclaren, or to move to a challenging team.
No way Alonso is above Leclerc, you say he had misfortune but Leclerc had almost just as much
Regarding what you said about Alonso being able to fight for a championship, all Aston Martin have to do is spend their money, new personnel and facilities, and make a car that bridges the gap to those top 3 teams and I think Alonso will be in that fight. Its looking on in a couple years...
This is probably the most fair F1 driver ranking on the net.
P19 for Daniel is crazy. You're only putting him this low because of how good he used to be. There are at least 6 drivers who were worse throughout the season than Daniel. Latifi, Schumacher, Tsunoda, Stroll etc.
Mate what? He deosnt even have 1/3 of landos points Stroll, Mick, yuki have altlest half or even more. He was so bad with a car easily top 4
Overcompensating Lando, giving him a P2 might go down as the most overrated ranking this year. Im not saying he wasnt great but i kid you not he was not the second best driver of the year. Give him a race winning car i think he would be around Carlos or Georges level at best this season.
Impossible to know apart from the facts which show that he extracted everything from that McLaren and was the only driver outside the top 3 teams with a podium and 100+ points
@@manavkumar6590 Like I said he was great this year but top 2. Saying he was the second to max verstappen in terms of performance, no sir. Go look at the standings and race results, he and Fernando practically had the same season. Even the raw numbers don't help claim, let alone watching him race this season, no stand out performances bar emelia where Charles choked.
@@ntsakomathebula4840 He outqualified Alonso 14-8 in a slower car and was regularly either best of the rest or above. His performance at Imola came due to his qualifying performance in P3 which is equivalent to qualifying on pole considering the McLaren was the 5th fastest car that weekend. So no, Alonso wasn't anywhere near as impressive as Norris this season and doesn't deserve to be higher lmao. Dude's performance was massively overrated for someone who couldn't even beat his teammate
@@ntsakomathebula4840 The raw numbers suggest he outqualified his teammate 20-2 and that the gap in race pace was the biggest between teammates 💀
@@manavkumar6590 First,The mclaren is a faster lap pace car than the alpines and slower in the race due to its tire deg, Mclaren consistently said it was their biggest issue, that's why so many occasions Fernando would out manage lando and finish ahead, Zandvoort, Silverstone, Brazil, France, Baku. Also dont disrespect Ocon he had a decent season and if Fernando didn't DNF 6 times he would have had a firm lead over Ocon. You can Hang onto the Qauli performances hes had but nothing else proves your point
I remember reading about 6 years ago that we would see the top 4 drivers in F1 be Verstappen, LeClerc, Russell, Norris in the near future, without a shadow of a doubt. Yes Lewis and Nando were unlucky but it feels like we are at a turning point.
Great video and perspective. You have good facts Keep it up!
Definitely don't agree with sainz/perez ones, but other than that seems good
1. Verstappen
2. Norris
3. Russell
4. Leclerc
5. Alonso
6. Pérez
7. Hamilton
8. Sainz
9. Ocon
10. Albon
11. Magnussen
12. Bottas
13. Vettel
14. Gasly
15. Zhou
16. Stroll
17. Schumacher
18. Tsunoda
19. Ricciardo
20. Latifi
Hey man , can you make a 2022 special helmets tier list ? You know every driver their 1 race helmets .Would really like see that
How was Lando ranked so high? He was in the 7/8 fastest car, finished in P7. He only had 6 finishes P6 or better. Don't get me wrong. He deserves a chance at a seat of a championship car. But, I don't see "he was punching above his weight" argument very convincing.
Agree with most, except Carlos needs to be ranked higher.
No no no my guy you do not get to say “ig we ALL underestimated lando” we been saying this shit all season, twitters just dumb
Great vid tho lol
1) Max Verstappen
2) Charles Leclerc
3) Lando Norris
4) George Russell
5) Fernando Alonso
6) Lewis Hamilton
7) Esteban Ocon
8) Carlos Sainz
9) Sebastian Vettel
10) Sergio Perez
11) Alex Albon
12) Valtteri Bottas
13) Kevin Magnussen
14) Pierre Gasly
15) Lance Stroll
16) Zhou Guanyu
17) Yuki Tsunoda
18) Mick Schumacher
19) Daniel Ricciardo
20) Nicholas Latifi
Your fans are insane with that Zhou/Valtteri ranking. Valtteri outscored Zhou 49-6
Charles robbed again imo. And by the fans this time as well.
His early fight with Max and insane quali laps under pressure were much more impressive than anything Lando has done the entire season.
Tommo, what do you think about doing teams ranking as well? You could take into consideration things like strategy, mechanics (pit-stops) and overall management (binotto wouldn't have a high score probably hehe)
Only one driver outside the top 3 teams getting a podium all season is a pretty damning stat for F1. This season was supposed to be more competitive with the new regulations but instead we've had one of the most dominant Red Bull seasons to date.
I swear no matter what Leclerc does any season, he's always underrated post season, in general I mean.
As for Norris, drivers like Checo, Daniel, Charles and Sainz have done similar performances to him in the midfield in recent years, and they get rated 5th or 6th where Norris gets rated 2nd.
Had some pretty bad errors tbf
Sainz couldve beaten him with a little more luck
@@barbonson_richards Leclerc had much less luck than Sainz so no, if luck was taken out. Leclerc would be even further ahead. Sainz is sometimes 4 tenths a lap slower in race pace in the majority of races. They're not comparable. Leclerc is only as close as he is because of strategy that in turn made Leclerc finish behind Sainz. Monaco, Hungary, Silverstone are the key examples.
Checo had the 3rd fastest car in 2020 and nearly lost to Ricciardo in the 5th or 6th fastest car. He's one of the worst drivers on the grid. As for Sainz, it was pretty clear he was the 3rd or 4th best driver last year. Ricciardo was universally regarded as the 3rd best driver after 2020 and Leclerc was considered top 5 in both 2020 and 2021. Don't really see where your argument is
@@manavkumar6590 my argument is, that Norris wasn't the 2nd best driver this season. He didn't have midfield competition, his only competition in Alonso was breaking down every second race.
@@manavkumar6590 @Manav Kumar Ricciardo had 4th fastest car in 2020, Checo is not even close to being one of the worst drivers. Sainz was the luckiest driver in 2021 and was so much overrated, Lec was outperforming him the same like this season but because the gaps between places in the midfield are 2 or 3 points Lec couldn't catch Sainz back bc he was also one of the unluckiest drivers like this season but noone noticed none of it bc noone looks at the midfield
I feel bad for Lando, he's clearly WC material with little to no chance of driving for a WC win capable team.
Latifi was offered a full-time race seat from chip Ghanassi Racing to drive in IndyCar, and he turned it down.
He might be starting his own team in Indycar called GOAT Racing
@@vushnekov3665 you never know you never know
What’s crazy to me is when Charles did what Lando did this season he isnt even top 2 in the eyes of the people.
He was best of the rest in 2020 and 2021 with a shitbox and he put it in places where it wasnt supposed to be.
He was called Ch4rles or L3clerc from time to time, especially that 2020 season.
So what did Norris do that warranted him p2 in peoples eyes?
The podium and the p4 fight all by himself in arguble a undrivible car. You can watch on f1 app they show the avarge race pace mclaren shouldnt have been p4 especially with just 1 men but lando was holding those hopes up. At the end if somebody beats a ric by over 3 times the points its impressive 2021 charles didnt even beat sainz in the standings.
Charles wasn’t best of the rest in 2021 Sainz was and in 2020 Ricciardo was?
@@emmasimpson5366 if youre going for best of the rest in points yeah, but ricciardo had the 4th best car while charles had 6th best car and had more honorable moments than Danny that season. Team bosses ranked eaxh driver in 2020 on who was the best drivers and Charles placed 3rd and Danny placed 4th.
And 2021 Sainz had a race pace and qualy pace defecit with Charles and he only won in points lmao
@@JMiles-dd5ub okay so in 2021 the team bosses and drivers ranked Lando 3rd so by your criteria he’s best of the rest that year?
@@ehrlichgesagt863 but Mclaren is 4th-5th best at best, on par with Alpine, was a shitbox at the start but it became a decent car by the end. The Ferrari car on 2020 was at best was 6th best car. And people claimed Charles 3rd or 4th best that season. Lando had 1 podium on the 4th best car, Charles had 2 on the 6th best car. But thats enough for him to be the 2nd best driver for a reason? Lmao.
I think you kinda have to put Bottas higher than Zhou just because in ways, if it weren't for Bottas, its very likely Zhou wouldn't be where he is as I'm pretty sure Zhou would have learnt so much from him, and Bottas is a nice guy and a team player, he could have made it so much more difficult for Zhou, I think for sure Bottas gave a lot to Zhou so just by default you have to put bottas higher, next season it will be different
Fan ranking is very accurate although I would switch schumacher & stroll, gasly & tsunoda and zhou & bottas
Good list on both ends 🤝🏾
P10 FOR CHECO?????? nahhhh
1. MV1
2. Charles Leclerc
3. Lando Norris
4. George Russell
5. Fernando Alonso
6. Lewis Hamilton
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7. Carlos Sainz
8. Sergio Perez
9. Esteban Ocon
10. Sebastian Vettel
11. Alex Albon
12. Valtteri Bottas
13. K- Mag
14. Pierre Gasly
15. Zhou Guanyu
16. Lance Stroll
17. Yuki Tsunoda
18. Daniel Ricciardo
19. Mick Schumacher
20. Nicholas Latifi
this is why sebastian vettel is the greatest of all time!
How does leclerc have no driver W's?
Same with lando or Alonso lol
My drivers ratings
1. Max Verstappen
2. George Russell
3. Charles Leclerc
4. Lando Norris
5. Lewis Hamilton
6. Fernando Alonso
7. Sebastian Vettel
8. Esteban Ocon
9. Carlos Sainz
10. Sergio Perez
11. Alexander Albon
12. Valtteri Bottas
13. Kevin Magnussen
14. Guanyu Zhou
15. Pierre Gasly
16. Lance Stroll
17. Yuki Tsunoda
18. Mick Schumacher
19. Daniel Ricciardo
20. Nicholas Latifi
Love this vid was waiting out for it❤❤
I get Checo hasn't been great on qualy, but the team is definitely favoring Max, development and strategy-wise all year long. Has Ocon really been better than Sergio this season? What is this ranking...