My 2023 Formula 1 End of Season Driver Ratings
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Of course Williams confirm Sargent just after I got this exported. 👍👍
Anyway, whose Ranking order do you agree with more?
Will the goat reply?
Tommo's
The Peoples
@@reqie883🐐
Agree with yours more even though I think Lando is way too far up the order.
Leclerc and Hamilton, for all the backlash they get for their errors and are called "overrated", are significantly underrated.
hamilton was the 2nd best driver, leclerc the 4th, its ridiculous honestly
Norris had a car that literally had moments to be on pole and makes mistakes and he still better. Vs the dude who actually took pole from RB on at most the 3rd fastest car.
Ferrari were actually the only car to really race RB. Yet Lando had better season vs Leclerc and Ham wtf.
The bar is ao high for those 2. But Norris is considered generational, why isnt his bar the same place as them?
Norris is a damn bottle job
@@noisettehawk22i think max just put the standard too high
almost nobody calls leclerc overrated, he is praised and pummeled for having the edge over Sainz
which should look like Checo and Max if we take into consideration how he's actually talked about by a majority of people
Leclerc had an incredible second part of the season the fact that he beats Carlos after 3 DNF 1 DNS 1DSQ 3 grid penalities thats just crazy. 5 poles too. Just give him a good car and watch.
Yeah the disrespect of all these f1 youtubers with Leclerc. After not evening close to p4 on the championship and looking like Sainz beating him again on points but still winning that out is mighty impressive.
He wouldve been fighting for p3 if not for his bad luck.
@@JMiles-dd5ubthe people on the last lap podcast were a joke
He's got it.
@@JMiles-dd5ubfrr
Leclerc is the 2nd best driver on the grid imo, give him a proper car and he will go on actual win streaks
Hamilton has had a seriously underrated season, the fact that without the DSQ & DNF in Qatar & Austin he could of finished 2nd, against a car that won 21 out of the 22 races, its obscene! I feel like people are still judging Lewis on the cars he has had in the past, some weekend the Mercedes was the 5th fastest car yet he would always get consistent points, seriously underrated season, apart from Max he was the 2nd best driver this year & if Mercedes can give him a car, he will be right there challenging Max.
Constant all season. Criminally underrated!
In Alonso's car, I think he can never do what Alonso did this season. But that is my opinion, and yours is yours.
I think its been a fairly rated season. He's ahead of George but not stomping him, the Merc is definitely the 2nd best race car over the season, and Perez has been awful. He's had some really tough results (like Abu Dhabi).
@@Pricelessmile Nah it was definitely the McLaren. It was just Lewis and George consistently trying to maximise the car when they could. And the team weren’t useless.
I agree it's underrated by most, but at the same time I do think he's had more unforced errors than Fernando & Lando. Plus, that Mercedes has consistently been 3rd quickest. Whereas the McLaren started wobbly, and the Aston was mid in the mid szn. Fine margins between all 3 imo.
I completely agree with you regarding albon. I find it absolutely ridiculous that albon was rated higher than leclerc and hamilton by the fans. Yes he had a great season, but any driver that is fighting for p7s with an unproven rookie teammate (no matter how bad the car) should have a capped ranking.
Albon basically won 7th for Williams on his own, that’s an incredible job tbh
@@Duval-In-The-Wall That williams isnt as bad as people are making it to be. In tracks like las vegas, zandvoort and silverstone it was on par with aston martin and (except silverstone) mclaren. Even Sargent made it into Q3 in those races!
@@lancealvarez1009
Yes it was, it was eliminated in Q1 the most out of any car. Albon should get the same credit for Williams as Alonso at Aston Martin, it’s the same exact situation just further down the grid
It definitely was NOT on par with McLaren in Silverstone, what are you smoking lmao
People will ALWAYS put a underdog story above expected good performance
@@lancealvarez1009it's not too much about the car itself, the strategy played a very important role throughout the season in covering up the car's issues
Alonso in that RB19 would've taken the title fight to Abu Dhabi regardless of the headspace Verstappen was in. Hottest take
im an alonso fan but i really dont think he wouldve. max really is on another level
Alonso himself admitted that he wouldn't be able to compete on the same level as Max with how good he's been this year.
Alonso is amazing but no way he could do as well as max did
Putting Lewis p6 is genuinely insane, i think you can have nando, lando and lewis in whatever order behind max and be correct but having Lewis p6 is actually deluded
Not sure why you don't include Leclerc in the group considering he was top 5 this season even with many unfortunate team errors
P6 just completely turned in on him.
Out of the group of drivers Nando, Lando, Charles and Lewis and Oscar, Lewis actually is the ONLY one given their personal skills one can say underperformed this season. He should have finished P2 in the WDC easily and therefore it is 100% logical out of this group Lewis is rated lowest for the season... People KNOW Lewis can and should have done better. See it as a compliment.
@@elianioriofarrell bro ltierally for like the first half of the season, carlos was finishing higher than him in majority of races...carlos was just more consistent, plus he got ferrari their only race win of the season. Charles was good, but he made mistakes many times where he shouldn't have. he got better towards the end of the season, but u still can't ignore the beginning of his season.
@vrooooommm go back and reanalyse his season and then come back with a valid opinion, thanks
Bottas P16 is wild. The amount of times he reached Q2 and Q3 in that AR, plus the margins he's putting on Zhou and all his bad luck this year (he could have had points from Austin to LV if it wasn't for stuff out of his control). No way is he worse than Stroll at the very least.
Agreed 100%!!
Bottas and Tsunoda had very similar seasons relative to their cars tbh, you could easily have Bottas ahead of him if you were paying attention to AR
behind stroll is even crazier
Stroll is the absolute worst. Alonso finishing on podium and Stroll well outside the points at so many races.
I was so salty in Brazil and Vegas for him. That AR was awful this season and without luck on your side it's all a wash. Still though, I think he did as good as his car and luck allowed him too. Especially in quali
Ranking Piastri over Leclerc is kinda wack. Sure he had an impressive rookie year, but he was miles of Lando in most races. Tbh I prefer ranking drivers after who performed the best, without giving rookies huge bonus points for exceeding expectations.
Leclerc deserves more credit, he started terribly but really started to hit form at the end
Yeah I’m a big Piastri fan and I think he’s had an incredible season but he’s at least top 8 and not ahead of Leclerc
Yeah. Piastri in top 5 is absolute nonsense. Lando scored more than double the amount of points, Oscar only outscored his teammate in two races. Solid rookie season, but I'd put him at number 8.
@@anttijokela4114Who got a win though, sprint race or not it was a win. Racing at the end of the day is about winners, and unfortunately Lando just hasn't got there yet, his teammate has had a taste.
Disrespect to Leclerc is real. 5 poles but still behind a guy who finished with less than half of his teammate's points. There is no way Piastri is ahead of Leclerc. Also, Albon gets 4th place with Sargeant tax.
You’re right. But also Piastri finished with less than half of his teammates points bc he was incredibly unlucky at times, especially during the triple header, where he would’ve scored more points had he not been crashed into during those races.
I think Leclerc and Piastri have had incredible seasons and Leclerc should definitely be ahead of him. Oscar’s had an incredible season for a rookie and the praise is deserved
@@nicolekovala for a rookie, it was great. But he needs to improve a lot
@@mertcanhacfazloglu4862 true and that will come with experience. he had a year out
The people giving Lewis a 7.73 out of 10 just shows the unnecessary hate he gets. He was significantly better than the 6th best driver y'all are crazy
@chancebarber4902 This..
Given checo's performance this year Lewis had an easy ride to P2 in the championship. He underperformed, taking his skills into account.
@@endthisnonsense7202 an easy ride against a car that is the most dominant F1 car of all time. The mercedes was never consistently 2nd fastest during the year at times it was slower than the Aston, Ferrari and McLaren
Dude finished behind an Alpha Tauri multiple times this season 😂😂
@@minatoyellowflash100 The Mercedes was slower then the alpha multiple times this season..
Leclerc being P6 & P7 just speaks volumes how underrated his season is, post Japan since he got the upgrade has consistently finished top 5, podiums and 5 poles... only Max had more. Charles being slept on like crazy
As far as I know, races at the end of the season don’t give more points. ;) Max, Lewis, Fernando and -> Carlos were the only four to finish top ten in every race, and even after that brain fart at Spa he kept getting points finishes and being in Q3. Only guy but Max to score in every sprint as well. And Monza, **Singapore**… 🇸🇬🇪🇸 ¡Vamos!
(Let’s not forget the “no passing “ rule that was rather unequally enforced for most of the early season, with a “number two driver” lapping significantly faster and able to narrow the gap to the leaders to be able to take advantage of any unforeseeable opportunity. Austria springs to mind. I do like Charles, but constant non-situational favouritism towards him did him a serious disservice. Vasseur seems wise to that, which is great - but he knows he can’t afford to lose Carlos Sainz either. 🔮)
Over the course of the 2023 season thats an entirely fair assessment.
People seem to be really tough on Yuki about being error prone, but outside of his contact with Oscar in Mexico and a couple smaller mistakes that could have lost him a place, was he really that error prone? Almost everybody on the grid has had at least one big shunt so feel his reputation is being hurt more due to his previous reputation and his radio blow ups.
I agree. Mexico was a huge blunder (and he's clearly aware of that considering he was mentioning it even after the fantastic Abu Dhabi race) but other than that he's had a pretty clean season. No DNFs he was at fault for, no big shunts (the contact in Singapore like Tommo said is more on Perez), the biggest damage bill came from Nyck going into the back of him and the mistakes were normal track limits, going onto the grass, locking up etc. He's truly evolved from his rookie season and 2022 but because he mostly gets attention when something goes very wrong, people don't see those improvements
Tsunoda made plenty of mistakes this season lol
Austria start, the entire Vegas weekend, Spain quali, forcing Zhou off in Spain, losing a 30s gap to the McLarens in Monaco, spin in Monaco, contact with Piastri in Mexico, going off track and losing time in Brazil
He’s the new Perez, he’ll have good races here and there but he’ll never have the composure or be consistent enough for a top team
Record of 4-3 against an injured Ricciardo with very little track experience
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Austria turn 3 was from the contact with the Alpine that took off his endplate. Vegas the team sent him out at the worst time and then they just had the worst strategy. Move on Zhou was a 50/50 that any other driver would have gotten a pass (see Russell's moves this season). Monaco in the wet when the AT's brake solution washed away with the rain causing him to take the runoff - also the McLaren came alive in the rain.
Realistically his biggest mistakes were Mexico and Brazil. Hardly the new Perez.
to back your comments sir/ma'am
Driver Damage Totals
Logan Sargeant: $4.33 million
Carlos Sainz: $3.64 million
Sergio Perez: $3.22 million
Esteban Ocon: $2.99 million
Lance Stroll: $2.83 million
Alexander Albon: $2.78 million
Kevin Magnussen: $2.57 million
Pierre Gasly: $2.42 million
Oscar Piastri: $2.27 million
Charles Leclerc: $1.91 million
Niko Hulkenburg: $1.55 million
Nick de Vries/RIC: $1.52 million
Lando Norris: $1.45 million
Yuki Tsunoda: $1.25 million
Guanyu Zhou: $1.20 million
Lewis Hamilton: $880,000
Fernando Alonso: $830,000
Valtteri Bottas : $700,000
George Russell: $670,000
Max Verstappen: $345,000
oh if you need more info, go read the article at Sports illustrated, f1briefings.
edit: grammar, in the article it gives the brief description of the reasons of this damage some by driver mistakes and some caused by organizers.
@@paulkmbLet’s not forget his contact in Baku Sprint cause suspension damage, it was the rare time Tsunoda involve in an incident which he had fault. The Vegas move was his fault. the rest I agree
He done his best on Monaco with brake failure, no fault of his own.
Lewis Hamilton anything but 2nd is ridiculous and even more ridiculous from the fans. For a car that was on average 3rd or 4th fastest depending on the race, he almost maximised it if it wasn’t for Qatar and Austin.
Piastri ahead of Leclerc, Sainz or Hamilton is WILD for me. Lets not forget he got outscored by Norris by 2x. Good season but certainly not 5th driver on the grid, unless we give him credit for being a rookie
People judge drivers like Leclerc, Norris or Russell by their mistakes & judge Piastri or Tsunoda by their highlights. "Oh Leclerc/Norris made mistakes in this and that race" and "Piastri/Tsunoda did great in this or that races". It's just a difference on expectations. If you look at Leclerc/Russell by their highlights or Piastri/Tsunoda by their mistakes, you'd easily make some different conclusions, eg. rank Russell's season above Tsunoda
Tsunoda has positive PR and people hoping that can get a Red Bull drive (fuck knows why)
Meanwhile Piastri genuinely made very few mistakes. People made more mistakes racing him than anything else
Oscar is a rookie who has been so close to his superstar teammate for a while and Yuki got what was probs the worst car to so many p11&p12, there also not Superstars and wasn’t labeled at the start of the season ‘Possible title contenders’ like Leclerc, Russel and Norris
@@matthewchidiac5948
AT were nowhere near the worst car across the season, that was Haas by a mile
@@Duval-In-The-WallAT was absolutely the worst car the first half of the season. Your bias is embarrassing. You should shut up
@@Duval-In-The-Wallwe Saw different season i guess
My top 10 would be Max, Alonso, Lewis, Norris, Charles, Alex, Oscar, Carlos, Gasly, Russell.
Almost the same as me, change Alex, Oscar, and Carlos order and that’s it.
The disrespect to Hamilton is crazy 😂 it’s so glaringly obvious that he’s hated by many who’ve just rated him unnecessarily low out of spite. He belongs absolutely nowhere below the top 3 on this list
Same with Russell lol, the Mercedes hate is real from many fans
0 wins in the last 45 races.
@@minatoyellowflash100Just like 19 other drivers this season???
So?@@minatoyellowflash100
@@minatoyellowflash100 and tell me how that’s a reason for him to be ranked 6th this year?
15th for bottas feels strange. i feel like the car is a much larger factor than we give credit for their performance
tsunoda has been unbelievable this season, hope he gets a real shot in red bull or another good team
Gwon Yuki
Noo don’t let my boy anywhere near that redbull I don’t want him to end up like albon and gasly
Would be great to see Jason Statham's son get to race in a race winning car
Tsunoda won't make Red Bull with that temper. Why would RB want a driver who will throw a tantrum and crash into another driver THREE TIMES.
Yet Lawson clearly beat him.
Disagree with Lewis not in P2. Apart from Max the most consistent driver of the whole season. The amount of points he dropped on George (who is miles ahead of Lance if you want to compare Lewis with Fernando) and also nearly got 2nd in THAT car. Take a bow, for me tbh on par with some of his WDC winning seasons.
Fernando for me P3, he made fewer mistakes than Lando (especially in Qualifying Lando botched it too often) and then behind the top 4 you can arrange Alex, Carlos, Oscar and Charles in any given order really. I would argue it is Oscar, then Charles, then Carlos and then Alex.
Lewis shouldn’t even be in top 3 after not capitalising his car in a lot races, a very avg season though better than last year
@@arhamimam8547Alonso spun a couple of times this season and have been outraced embarassingly by Stroll a couple of times too, Norris bottled plenty of qualifying that could've put him in winning positions, lots of people made mistakes. You are frankly clueless if you think Lewis didn't make the most out of the car compared to the drivers around him. P3 vs P8 against his teammate (whom dominated Norris and Albon in equal cars, and is certainly far better than a Stroll or a rookie)
George didn’t have a bad season, we just expected more from him. He’s very capable.
The bad luck mostly wasn’t on him. Merc were utterly useless on his side.
@@gameofender4463He did make a couple of high profile mistakes though
thats a straight up lie. Merc made more strategy erros on Lewis side abd got him DSQ in Austin@@gameofender4463
2 poduims in Merc is unacceptable
@@strexle7446 Yes, he made two big ones. It happens. But Merc also cost him about 40 points too.
I feel like Lewis should be above Norris and Maybe Alonso because of he consistent he was and the results to be able to get p2 in the constructors and closing in on p2 in drivers in a car which we saw from George was no were near Redbull and not even better than Ferrari, he would also be close behind Lando when Mclarren started to perform and when Alonso did too, he never dropped off or had a bad spell of races quite like the other 2 above him
yeah someone who drew with George russell in qualifying (in a season where he had a complete stinker) doesn't deserve to be ahead of alonso, pls stop😅... Lewis was good, he wasn't better than alonso as an overall driver throughout the course of the season
@@justno984What a ridiculous thing to say. George is a driver who battered Lando and Albon in the same machinery, yet was comprehensively beaten by his teammate this year.
One race aside, the Mercedes was never the 2nd quickest car this year. The fact Lewis finished P3, ahead of Alonso et al shows you how consistent he was and how he frequently maximised race results.
The bias is beyond boring at this point.
@@matthewcamina8508 I'm sorry but alonso only had a better car compared to lewis in the first 6 races of the season. the fact that he finished 4th with 206 points is a miracle.
Also george didn't batter anybody, it came down to the last race of the season. he also didn't do it in equal machinery either, he was on the better team with a noticeably better car... please stop... and I'm not saying that george russell is bad, I'm just saying that in a bad season for george, all lewis could do was draw with him in qualifying (he actually got beat by george if you look at average quali time)
Overall fernando was way more consistent in both quali and race pace compared to lewis... I don't know how this is even a debate... I like lewis but you gotta stop your bias get the better of you sometimes.
@@justno984 your argument isn't justifical enough. How many times have both mercedes drivers got let down by the team's lack of pitstops efficiency and strategical plans in the race let alone the development of the car? The amount of shit toto and his team had to spew through the media in each race is enough to tell us that they are controlling any form of damage while the drivers need to bear the brunt for it, especially lewis outdriving the w14 many times and proven it to be true with that pole in hungary.
Nobody is being biased here, its simply a reality check that both merc drivers are outdriving the machines while alonso is just sitting comfortably in his aston martin. Nothing wrong with what the other guy said. Lewis's performance is hugely ignored by the hate thrown by the haters, the same way with max in his rb19
@@Randomvideos-zi7pe mate if George didn't have those outrageous mistakes in Singapore and Vegas and his team didn't screw him over in zandvoort he would've been 14 points behind lewis which is comfortably 4th in the standings... and these were not car performance issues, these were mistakes that could've been easily avoided. as I said George had a really poor season by his standards otherwise there shouldn't have even been a competition with ferrari for the second best team.
The reality of the situation is that there's nothing impressive about lewis finishing 3rd, he had the second best car on average over the whole course of the season and he's the best driver on his team so he was supposed to get 3rd... the fact that alonso finished 4th infront of the ferrari boys is actually what's impressive from a driver standpoint.
Again I'm not saying that lewis had a bad season I'm just saying that it's laughable that you're even trying to compare him to alonso in terms of the level of quality he showed consistently over the course of the season.... again I like lewis but please stop... this is ridiculous.
P6 and P4 for Lewis is kinda crazy, the dude bounced on any mistake that any other team or driver made. The expectations from every driver affects the rankings a lot, because if George had done what Lewis had done, he would've been hailed as the second coming of Christ. It's P2 between Alonso and Hamilton for me, both of them had a similar ratio of getting screwed over by the team, by the car, maximizing any and every point with couple of stinker weekends.
I mean yes, but it’s only George’s second season in Mercedes and he’s being directly compared to a 7 time world champion. So of course if George had done what Lewis has done this season, it would be much more impressive. If Perez had been a rookie we would’ve given props for being one of the only two drivers to beat max - but, he’s a veteran and it’s his third season at red bull so we EXPECT more from him. Similarly for Sainz’ win in Singapore - tactically outstanding, but he’s known for that… if Piastri had done that, he would’ve been lauded as the next F1 great. Context is important.
Lewis is a top 5 driver easily. Idk how the ranking ended up being lower.
People still mad about Hamilton/Merc dominance lmao
Give it another 2 years and Max/redbull will start getting the same treatment
Haters, that's all.
I think your ranking is pretty much on point. Maybe Id switch Hamilton and Norris.
The viewer rankings underestimate Hamilton and overestimate Albon quite a bit.
Albon would be so much lower rated this year if his teammate wasn’t Sargent lol
It's pretty amazing how the audience averaged 9.78/10 for Max. Because you know for a fact there would have been plenty of people that gave him 1/10 out of spite, so to still be so close to 10/10 is hugely impressive. He had just an unbelievable season
For any reasonable person, there is just NO argument against him. Max is inevitable in that car.
To be fair Lewis also got plenty of 1/10 just out of spite as well. I'm pretty sure everyone got 1/10s out of spite from someone.
I wanna see EA give max verstappen a 99 rating on F1 24, if theres any season that deserves it. It's this one.
The most dominant season in F1 history, and probably the most dominant two consecutive seasons in F1 history.
The last time he went 3 races without a win was near the end of 2021; and he only went two without a win once in 2022.
Tbf every driver has their haters who always put 1/10.
An especially funny example is that George Russell was rated by a small and obviously dedicated number of haters as 1/10 for his 2nd place at Spa in the williams, a performance which honestly deserves a 11/10 considering how dogshit the Williams was(even if it was essentially just a qualifying race because of heavy rain on sunday)
Vegas was proof that Charles can actually take the battle to Max no matter how strong Max feels. His poles are proof that he will one day be remembered as a qualifier rivaling Senna, Hamilton, Clark. This is also why people should put some respect on Sainz.
Ferrari: Are you sure about that?
Honestly, I think this season as a whole will be underatted in years to come. The field was very competitive, so man moments of magic up and down the field, just the lack of title fight has put many fans off. At the same time, we have witnessed history and Im glad to be alive to see it for myself. The RB19 and a Max helmet deserve to go on display in a museum somewhere, an iconic combination for genrations to looks back upon.
The midfield was competitive, but the fight we want to be competitive is at the front. As good as RB & Max were, I could not enjoy most races because P1 is what I mostly care about. Races which are chaos are however exciting like Zandvoort, Vegas, Monaco, etc. All I want to hear in Bahrain is not the dutch national Anthem😂😂
Facts even though there were more race winners last year I definetly enjoyed this season more especially int he midfield seeing how often randomised it was going into the next race even the podium fights to were crazy this year
this lewis bias amongst fans is insane. merc has not been 2nd best car for a long enough period this season to warrant lewis being p3 in drivers, theyve only been 2nd best sporadically like barcelona. yes he has made some mistakes and his qualifying needs to improve but being that consistent in a car that has not been 2nd best often like mclaren and aston (who had drastic changes in form yes but also had higher highs than mclaren) plus getting a pole position is no mean feat. 6th is outrageous.
ocon bias too, he got a podium and solid first half plus so much bad luck. would place hulk 14th, ocon 13th, ric 12th, george 11th, gasly 10th and yuki 9th. i agreed with the fan list at the bottom half but top half is shocking.
It needs to be said that a full quali wash of your teammate is incredibly unlikely and difficult to do. You can't use "new to f1" as an excuse either since even DeVries and Lawson outqualified Tsunoda at least once and piastri bested lando 7 times. Stroll even pulled ahead of alonso a couple of times in spite of their talent gap. It's wild that sargeant's performance was forgiven considering how competitive his competition is.
Actually, you can. de Vries, Lawson and Piastri all had significantly larger numbers of testing kilometers than Sargeant did.
Crazy to mention Alonso race IQ and not say that much about both Ferrari drivers. I think they both have an amazing understanding of game theory. On track both of them understand that just going fastest is not always best. Carlos slowing down to keep Norris in DRS even after he made a mistake, Charles' DRS chicken and letting Checo pass.
My top 5 rating,
1. Verstappen (domination),
2. Alonso (impressive start but odd uncharacteristic mistakes at the end)
3/4. Hamilton/Leclerc, (Hamilton for consistency/outperforming teammate in points by a lot, and Leclerc for high highs apart from dnfs due to car failure, definitely an overall improvement on last year in terms of performance, both drivers in a car slower than the aston at the start and the McLaren in the middle/close to end)
5. Norris (not hooked up in quali and settling for p2/p3 far too easily, no real edge to him, Piastri not far behind for a rookie).
“Settling for p2/p3 too easily”
Yeah, because everyone else was easily able to fight Max for P1 🤦🏻♂️
@Duval-In-The-Wall well his car was fast enough to fight max in Qatar in the first stint, and if he and McLaren pushed for the undercut, they could have beat him that way even in the 3rd stint. You don't see Norris fighting the way Max and Charles do, with an edge to them.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall I'm a mclaren fan but he gave way to max way too easily. His silly mistakes in quali wouldn't account to much but in the future they will if he's fighting titles
@@lancealvarez1009
How though, Max was driving a car much much faster than the McLaren. I don’t get it
@@lancealvarez1009him giving way to max easily is him being smart enough to understand that his actual race was always with the mercs or astons or ferraris behind. There's absolutely no point in fighting Max, destroying tyres, possibly falling outside the podium and costing his team valuable points. Literally no one fought max this season. Not Alonso. Not Hamilton. So I don't get how it's only Norris that is getting criticised for it.
having Lewis that low is absolutely shocking. And if you look at whos above him, its the driver of the day merchants
Norris bottling race win after race win is overlooked because he is a PR merchant
His rating is gone, Bono!!
i feel like lando gets away with so much more than charles and george. hes had a great season but its always that lando was harsh on himself but when charles (esp) and george are the same, its criticised way more. i think he had the best chance for a win outside of sainz and maybe bottled it with qualifying. i think his mistakes do need to improve.
alonso too has been good but in the second half, has kind of been outperformed by lance in certain races. he was very good the whole season but i think piastri was a harder teammate than lance so maybe id put lando above alonso despite what i said before...
overall i defo agree with tommos first half from 8th to 1st but maybe would swap lando and alonso. they are very close tho and lewis not far behind
max ofc is p1 but 9.78, i dont know i cant help but think that his season last year was more impressive as he had a title fight and the cars were closer yet still came out on top. this season would be 10/10 for him if he had a teammate like sainz and he won all the races like vegas so id give a 9 personally but still so good. i just dont think you can get 10 without some competition
This is so true , lando made a lot of mistakes in high pressure situations, I think he is overrated by youtubers.
You're talking like perez is some bozo they picked up from the street. This season is deffo a 10 for max, bro has made 0 errors while breaking almost every record there is to break
2022 max isn't a 10 cus he wasn't as consistent. 2021 max isn't a 10 cus he was scrappy
@@mnihadk2658 I’ve said this for years. Felt like I was the only one. Glad others are now seeing it/being more vocal about it.
Everyone overlooks just how well Magnussen consistently put up propper fights pretty much every single race even though it usually ended up being pointless in the end because of how that shitbox of a car chewed through tires like there was no tomorrow. He wasn't great in quali, but he absolutely outperformed Hulkenberg in the races. He was much better than people give him credit for.
Kevin: Horrible quali pace great race pace
Nico: Great quali pace horrible race pace
Lol, Hamilton so low on a fan list once again haha. People really hate him. Clearly top 4 this year and beat a faster car in ferrari while destroying his world class teammate
I'll give a 10 to you Tommo for being consistently the best UA-cam F1 content creator this year.
can you really blame Gasly for being angry at the team? They legit prioritized Ocon every single time, the whole team was biased against him. If he wasnt loud about it, nothing would ever change. He used his anger well.
Said it before, will say it again. Norris wasn’t the 3rd best driver this year.
He benefited massively having a teammate that was greener than grass at most tracks and a car that was CONSISTENTLY 2nd fastest for half, if not two thirds of the season.
And yet he STILL didn’t finish ahead of Fernando.
If you add the whole season together Alonso and Norris had about the same car underneath them but at different part of the season. Both clearly beat their teammates
@@oscarovegrenNah, nah, nah. Alonso had a good car for the first six or seven races and then disappeared.
Norris had the second fastest car since Austria. Oscar was greener than grass dude.
A more experienced Oscar would easily get at least 45% of the team’s points.
And if that happened, both finish behind an unlucky George.
@@gameofender4463 First NINE* races + podium in Netherlands and Brazil. Mclaren during the first 8 races was worse then Aston ever was during the whole season.
I would rate their car about the same over the season atleast
@@oscarovegren And then the McLaren was on the podium pretty much every race since Silverstone 😂. They more than made up for it.
And like I said. Norris got more points than he would against anyone that wasn’t a rookie.
@@gameofender4463 McLaren only had the 2nd fastest car in Silverstone, Hungary (joint 2nd fastest with Merc), Qatar, Japan, Brazil. They were definitively slower than Mercedes in Spa, Monza, Singapore, COTA, Las Vegas and Abu Dhabi, POST upgrades. Dunno which season you're watching
Leclerc's and Hamilton's seasons are so underrated and they are getting overhated for no reasons. Putting Albon, Piastri and even Norris above both of them is a big joke.
According to Mark Hughes, although Gasly won the qualifying head-to-head 14-8, Ocon was actually faster in qualifying by 0.008 seconds. Barely anything in it
Im a Zhou fan for sure. This season was dire for Alfa Romeo Sauber. zhou had a very anonomous season it feels like. Zhouling in Hungary and him eating the wall in Zandvoort were definitely the stinkers of his year but besides that I find hes a safe bet as a second driver in a low midfield team. Id go on a whim and say him and pourchaire would be a decent lineup
Another interesting view would be the differences to the 2022 avg ratings... and then I had to do them:
- Daniel Ricciardo +2.5 (yeah, but)
- Yuki Tsunoda +1.6
- Pierre Gasly +1.5
- Alex Albon +1.2
- Fernando Alonso +0.7
- Carlos Sainz +0.4
- Max Verstappen +0.3
- Lewis Hamilton +0.2
- Lando Norris +0.2
- Charles Leclerc -0.5
- Lance Stroll -0.8
- Esteban Ocon -0.8
- Valtteri Bottas -1.6
- Guanyu Zhou -1.8
- Checo Perez -2.2
- George Russell -2.3
- Kevin Magnussen -2.7
my tiny brain hurt
Would it really be a Tommo video if it wasn't immediately outdated by an F1 announcement?
Facts 😅
I remember when Alpine signed Alonso to come back to F1 and you completely wrote him off 🤣🤣🤣
Was a reasonable assumption considering how Michael looked after his comeback.
@@extremegrieferbible Not even remotely reasonable. Alonso was out for two years and continued to race during that time. Michael took three years out and all he did was a little bit or motorbike racing and had a significant injury which hampered him when he returned to F1. How is one comparable to the other? Prost took a year out, came back and won the championship. Lauda took three years out, returned and won the championship in his third season back
Perez certainly deserves that 17th place you put him in, I would maybe even put lower than that. He literally made the RB look like an "okay car" while his team mate won 19 out of 22 GPs. That is absolutely unheard of and possibly the most devastating result between team mates in the history of the sport.
In general I agree with your list a lot more than with the viewer list :).
19:03 if it was the 9th worst car it would be the 2nd best after the RB :D
Hmmmmmmmmm... 2 Perez's still easily win the Constructors so idk about an OK car. That being said I probably wouldn't have him higher than like 12th or 13th.
Let's not forget that in the end, he still ended up P2 and basically did what the team hired him to do, all be it in the most unimpressive way possible. Still, that's not what F1 is about. It's about results and from that perspective, it's mission accomplished for Checo.
@@saiyerugara9038 The thing is, Perez achieved 9 podiums in total with that RB car, two of them were wins that were in the first few races before he lost it in Monaco.
As a comparison, Alonso had 8 podiums, Hamilton 6, Leclerc 6 (both without the DSQ in Austin), Norris even seven, all of which came since the upgrades McLaren brought in Austria, which is roughly the middle of the season. All of these drivers had far inferior machinery to work with.
So yeah, you are probably correct, he made it seem like a "good but certainly beatable car" while Verstappen made it look like it's a different sport.
At least he did 1-2 for RBR, something that Webber was never able to, and people probably will rate Webber way higher than Perez.
@@anaayoung9142 Webber also never had a car that won 21 out of 22 races. The dominance of RB this season is something we have rarely ever seen before, maybe 1988 with McLaren or one of the Mercedes seasons, but certainly not with RB.
Ricciardo had a tear off in his brake duct at the start of Abu Dhabi and still fought back to within a couple seconds of points. I believe he finished 11th? I am very curious to see the car they produce with his feedback given the momentum they had with upgrading the car by the end of the season
AT have Ricciardo to thank for P8, they would have never been able to improve the car without his input
Next season if he clicks, he is going to be electric
Also had insane pace in Brazil, a shame he was trapped a lap down for most of the race
@@Duval-In-The-Wallthat’s a major stretch. They had multiple big updates towards the end of the year. If so, why didn’t Ric capitalise on the upgrades?
@@Duval-In-The-Wall ROFL. It’s just so insanely funny how many ways you can find ways to get Danny praise. You are desperate. If there is anybody to “thank”, it’s Yuki who actually delivered most of the points.
What’s your evidence that proves that the improvement was thanks to Danny, but not any of the other three drivers? If anything, given Yuki was the one who was there the entire time, isn’t he the one to thank for? (btw Yuki actually credited Nyck for his contributions for the development of the car. Car developments don’t happen over night and it was the feedback and learnings from the first half that helped the team develop late in the season)
He was five tenths off Stroll in P10 by the end
I watch like 3 F1 UA-camrs' rankings and in the past 4 years it has always been Tommo's who I can most relate to and is the only that actually does a community vote. I rank Tommo's rankings #1 with an average rating of 10/10
George's mistakes in Canada, Singapore and Las Vegas are really the only reason why people are disappointed in his season. Without them he finishes P4 in the championship. And that Australia car failure during one of his best races stung too.
You're spot on with almost all these but I'd have to put Stroll below Checo. Checo had a terrible season and made tons of mistakes but ultimately that came out of Checo at least trying which is more than can be said for Stroll. It seems like Lance legit doesn't care about being in F1 which is arguably worse than crashing from trying. Checo still secured P2 in the championship and RB still won the constructors whereas you can (and you even have in another video) argue that Lance cost AM several places in the constructors which is a worse offense than Checo's racecraft issues IMO
1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. Albon
4. Norris
5. Piastri
Honorable mention for Tsunoda and Hamilton
I'm excited for what Yuki is gonna do next year in an upgraded alphatauri!! He's definitely a quick driver when the car is good and the strategy doesn't screw him over. He has shown great improvement by making less mistakes (Mexico being the exception).
I think the ratings are based too much on our expectations for them. Piastri was great for a rookie, but no way was he the 5th best driver this year.
I wonder if anyone else ever got lower rating than Perez after finishing P2 in WDC… just goes to show how dominant red bull were
Lando in front of Lewis? Is this a joke? Don’t get me wrong, I love them both equally. But dude… wtf.. how can I respect you for putting Lewis in 4th and Lando em 3rd? In this season? C’mon… wtf, I respected you, but either you underrate Lewis or you are blind for Lando.
13:25 "Brand new team, brand new engine he's never driven before." Gasly drove with the Renault PU in his rookie year ( 2017 ) at STR.
I feel like Red Bull is becoming similar to old school lotus, where the further off Checo performs, the less support they give him, which means less results, and continues the cycle
Tommo love the content you do I would want to see a video during a off season of you ranking the best drivers of all time. Cheers and hope 2024 is a great one
Lance Stroll’s haircut alone is worthy of a drive-through penalty😊
i really think Yuki and Albon had literally the same season, the difference is that the Williams had a bigger stretch as a great car with that straight speed, and the bigger one, Daniel got to AT which people raised their eyebrows to Yuki, if Daniel got to Williams and got points Albon would be lesser as Yuki
They didn’t have the same season lol, Albon put on excellent performances all season smashing his inexperienced teammate
Meanwhile Tsunoda did well but was beaten here and there by all 3 of his teammates, even NDV beat him twice lol
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Sargeant was simply way incompetent than any other driver in the grid.
Like every single driver has a bad every now and then, or an bad qualify every now and then, Alonso lost to Stroll some times, Max lost to Perez Ham lost to Bottas
But Sargeant this year managed Latifi and Mazepin levels of incompetence, Albon is a great driver but lets not overestimste him by his bad teammates, this Williams is a really good carwho should been in yhe 7th way before, because of how good their straight speed is, but with only one driver gets impossible
Imo Hamilton is clearly P2 behind Verstappen in the 2023 season. He was damn phenomenal and Alonso and Norris made MORE mistakes than Hamilton made, so I don't understand why they were rated higher?
Ranking Lando above Lec is ridiculous and reflects how the media tends to overhype the former a lot. Despite Lec finishing ahead of him in the standing and landa has the SECOND BEST CAR for the majority of the season.
Yeah Piastri had a good rookie season but being a rookie shouldn’t get you rated higher, he was still outperformed by his teammate consistently throughout the year. If Mclaren still had Sainz rather than Piastri they might have got p3 in the teams championship.
Leclerc had more front row starts in last 5 races than Lando in his whole career
@@deeznoots6241wow you completely undermine oscar’s work and what he contributed to the team.
@@nicolekovala no its just the reality, he was outperformed significantly by Lando, but he is a rookie and will almost certainly improve massively next year. I think it’s just stupid to rate a driver higher just because they’re a rookie
@@deeznoots6241 that’s true but he did have some very bad luck especially during the triple header where he was hit 3 times in a row, where he could’ve scored more points.I think people acknowledge that he’s a rookie because he performed very well while it’s his first year in F1. I do agree that Lando did outperform him this year and I think that Oscar should be top 8.
HOW TF IS HAMILTON SO UNDERRATED BY THE FANS?? BROOOO THE GUY IS P3 ALMOST P2 AGAINST THE OP REDBULL!!
Love how this is released right after the logan announcement but clearly filmed beforehand 😂
Tommo is the guy if you are searching for ignoring the car factor
So that's why Checo is 17th right?
Lmao, if that's the case Albon wouldn't be P7.
Max P1
Lewis P2
The rest
Tommo and voters keeping Yukierre together is heartwarming.
I don’t think Perez deserves being below Stroll. Perez won in a car that could win, Stroll didn’t get a podium in a car that could get a podium
Putting piastri top 5 when he is so far behind Norris is definitely not something I can agree with, but he’s had a great season and I’m glad he’s getting so much love. I predict he’ll be on everyone’s top 5 next year.
Putting Piastri above Leclerc and Hamilton is insane eventough he had a great season
Did you consider the pressure Checo was all season? The RB19 is not a car that every driver can drive fast. I'm a mechanical engineer and I can tell you, that car was designed around Max. Why???? Because Max is the current champion it's obvious, and would do the same. Checo was under pressure from the moment Ricardo was promoted to Alfa Taurry . And if you're honest Lando humilitiated Ricardo and hasn't done to good against Yuki.
Stroll gets a higher place than Perez for the exact same reasons that Perez got P17... that's when all seriousness in this list banished xD
Stroll shouldn’t be lower than Zhou though
Stroll is literally the only driver that gets credited for doing the bare minimum 😂 it’s insane how low the expectations have gotten for him these days and he still only occasionally manages to reach those
@@NewscasterNews4 Is it wrong to acknowledge his good performances? Everyone knows how lackluster he is. What happened to giving credit when credit’s due?
@@justinburley8659 wow credit for doing the bare minimum of his job description, congratulations! Mind as well give him a medal too while you’re at it.
Perez gets (rightfully) crapped on even tho he won multiple races this year and secured numerous podiums but Stroll secures a couple P5’s in the final races and now suddenly people think he had a better season. Make it make sense
@@NewscasterNews4 Didn't know the bare minimum are P5's in an AM that was def slower than RB,Ferrari,Mercedes and Mclaren towards the end of the season and no I don't think Stroll had a better Season (the start and end was good/okay the rest was woeful just how I would describe Perez Season tbf) they were equally bad but ppl have to stop pretending that the RB wasn't almost a second faster per lap than the AM when they try to argue why Perez should be above stroll... Perez average qualifying Position over the entire Season was 9th ffs IN A REDBULL!!! And since you did love to bring up the bare minimum I think the bare minimum for the RB this Season was a Podium (ofc outliers exist but still a Podium should have been the norm) which he failed to achieve for more than half of the races this year. Ppl just love to hate on a mediocre driver like lance because his dad owns the team like as If the other drivers came straight out of poverty into F1 lmao
I saw another podcast that spoke about Lando’s qualifying issue and I can agree he’ll be much better next year. They stated that Lando is not used to having a car this quick and if you look at his qualifying issues it’s mainly all the same problem which is that he is pushing the car a little to much that he tends to loose balance or control. Considering the car was more developed throughout the season he didn’t have much time to kind of adjust to it and still was able to push it to the limit on the race day. Lando has always been a good qualifier if you’ve looked at his f1 career so i am not too worried. I think he just needs to find the right spot in how much he can push the car/ believe in himself and his talent and he’ll be good to go.💪
My ranking that nobody cares about:
2. Leclerc - without the bad luck he would be challenging p2 and p3
3. Hamilton - good year, lower highs but higher lows than lec
4. Alonso - fantastic year, had some stinkers
5. Norris - good year, absolutely bottled every chance he had for pole. he needs to figure out how to not choke.
6. Albon - he's been great! hard to tell with sargeant being so ass tho
7. Piastri - successful rookie season against a much more experienced teammate. not at the level of lec 2018 but solid. needs to work on tire management/race pace, but it'll come with time.
Whatttt P17 for a guy who finished 2nd, won 2 races(comprehensively probably the GOAT in Baku), had good race pace throughout the season?? WTH!! I don’t like Perez at all but P17 Demn!!
Good race pace?
Yuki P11 for the memes and to trigger my PTSD from the start of the season and a handful of quali sessions.
P20 would be generous for him, most overrated driver of the season
@@pedro.gandrago cry
Hamilton p6 is a crime
Jesus. Tommo’s season rankings are about as valuable as the average race ranking from “the race”.
I think people overrate Piastri because of strong qualifying performances in a strong car that make him look better when Norris drops the ball. Piastri's race pace has been disappointing to say the least.
disappointing race pace because he’s a rookie, it’s obviously not gonna be the best. i don’t think he should be ahead of leclerc but he’s had an impressive season for a rookie
The thing is, do you rate a driver based on performance or expectation? Sure, he surpassed expectations but performance wise he shouldn't be any higher than 8th place at most@@nicolekovala
Race pace. Yeah ok the rookie held Max off for a win... against one of the best F1 cars ever.. short memory dude. Least he didn't choke the win and cry on the radio 👍
Anyone who hasn’t given Max a 10 clearly must never gives 10s or is a biased LH fan. There will never be a better individual performance than that across a season.
To quote Christian: "21 wins out of 22 means there's room for improvement"
Lewis got put in 6th by the fans so I don’t wanna hear anything about bias fans💀
hamilton lives rent free in your head
I say the same to those who’ve contributed to Lewis being ranked 6th
Agree actually - Hamilton was a slam dunk 4th
honestly imo leclercs vegas drive was better than sainz’s singapore. leclerc managed tires better verstappen on the first stint , giving him and advantage and would have won without safety car. sainz’s didn’t have much risk of being overtaken so just had to hold position
I love how you post this. And then Logan gets resigned the same day
These lot are casuals for putting Lewis p6 idgaf
Checo was bad but P17 is just harsh. He still finished P2 in the WDC. If he finished below P3 in that car, then you'd have a stronger case.
He only finished P2 in the championship because no other team could consistently produce a quick car. If the Merc was a little better, or if McLaren had brought the Silverstone car from the start of the year, he could easily have been P3 or P4 in the championship.
27:48 real fans like yourself appreciate the performance of the dominant driver when the conditions are bad, when its a bad day and the setup wasn't quite right, or just the incredibly quick pole laps in some of the races (like Monaco, Canada come to mind). It's how he still kept himself in contention in Singapore despite starting 11th, that's why he's one the goats.
That Lance rating is just people hating on him because his dad owns the team. Lance is way better than a 4/10.
Despite how terrible he's been, Checo scored his best ever championship finish in 2023
Gran turismo 4 background music....just perfect
Verstappen
Alonso
Norris
Hamilton
Leclerc
Sainz
Albon
Russell
Piastri
Gasly
Ocon
Tsunoda
Hulkenberg
Ricciardo
Perez
Bottas
Zhou
Stroll
Magnussen
Sargent
Hamilton fan btw
I disagree with the fans and I agree with you. I think you’re much more analytical and most fans are much more casual because the ratings for some drivers from the fans are absurdly ignorant and insulting
Love the gran turismo music in the background 🤌🏻
I agree with every single one great ranking can't wait for next vids
It feels like in qualifying Lando always makes mistakes when he’s fighting for pole position
And then he seems complacent in the races and doesn’t try hard enough as he almost seems hesitant to battle W2W.
@@gameofender4463
Wouldn’t describe him as “complacent” in races lol. Watch Qatar and Mexico
@@Duval-In-The-Wallhe practically settled for p2
@@elianioriofarrell
What’s Alonso and Hamilton’s excuse for “settling” for P2, huh? They didn’t win any races against Max this season did they?
@Duval-In-The-Wall simple answer, their car was never as close as Norris' was at certain races. For example Leclerc fought Max in Vegas and at least tried to fight in Abu Dhabi when the Ferrari was closer than normal. Norris just doesn't have the same fighting spirit as the exciting drivers.
Ranking Lewis and Charles below Albon and Piastri proves why shampoo companies felt the need to put instructions on the bottle...
You put Checo at 17? That’s not justifiable. He finished 2nd in drivers standings. Should be in top 10
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You lot are on drugs for putting pastry above Lewis, he was best of the rest he should at least be top 4
have checo had a bad season and has he been way off max? yes. But has he won 2 races and finished 2nd in the championship? also yes. i don't think under any circumstance that it is justifiable to put a race winner (in a season with only 3 different winners) in p17. i'm not really a checo fan but cmon, p17?!!! my problem is that on paper he at least finished p2. and then if you think of merit why put stroll above him? i seriously think that stroll wouldn't win a race in that RB, netiher would hulkenberg or bottas or many of the other drivers you put above him. like, stroll has basically done the same as checo, get outperformed a lot by his teammate, except stroll has done it in a worse car but have been outperformed by more. So how can you justify putting stroll above checo? and i understand how you get to that rating because it's in relation to the car he had and so on and i think he should be low, but like P17?!!!
10:26 George Russell is the most hated driver on the grid.....Hamilton fans are happy to dismiss him or worse label him with some nasty nicknames, Red Bull fans join in because he's very much a Mercedes man. He's doing what Verstappen did back in 2016 - early 2018, because now is his time to start trying to fight front runners. He's made mistakes sure, but not this bad.
His "hail mary". Been watching a lot of NFL I see, since the NFL has had its own channel on sky sports I can't stop watching it!