The work beef between Shaq and Kobe, Part 1 | Big brother, little brother
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- The "Shaq-Kobe beef" has become kind of a meme, just a flat cultural reference point. How to Make a Basket: Shaq vs. Kobe endeavors to go deeper than that, to figure out why and how these two legendary partners didn't get along, and how they achieved such greatness in spite of that.
Part 1 begins in 1996, when both Shaq and Kobe became Los Angeles Lakers. Shaq wanted a sidekick. A little brother. Kobe, even as a teenager, was laser-focused on making the Lakers his team. They found success, but first they fought.
Directed and edited by Ryan Simmons
Edited by Jiazhen Zhang
Art direction and motion graphics by Mike Das
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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The fact that SB consistently makes these amazing top-quality docs is astounding. This team behind these productions is really at the top of the game. Props to everyone involved 👏
They never miss with these. By the way they hyped it up I was expecting a two hours doc tho
Bro out here patting himself on the back thru his burner…. Congrats to you and your production team, brother.. you guys made another great video
@@MoralesCornerThis is only part 1 fyi.
@@PaversPaveToThePavemy bad then
I love these and I love anything dorktown related
Oh man finally. Long time SB fans here know that not anyone other than Seth would've narrated this better man. Waiting for the upcoming episodes. 🙌
They are the goat fr
(Also nice pfp)
Facts Seth & the Female are my favorite narrators on this platform
Clara Morris, good night and good game. Yeah sb nation is honestly some of the best nba content ever. I laughed so hard in the one where she said "and then reggie Miller looked back at the camera and said 'I'm not washed up yet' and drained a three."
@@PeezyMadePillshe’s terrible
@@PeezyMadePillshe's beyond annoying
Not going to lie I actually got a little teary eyed at the end when they talked about Kobe. That man gave me and my family so many memories growing up
Me too bro im ngl
Most of these are shitty. This was good stuff.
I did as soon as Kobe was speaking on their first fight
Was just about to say this. Just beautiful
I definitely did. This time period and this player are the reasons I feel in love with the game.
Can we appreciate that Seth is bringing this heat with a newborn at home
Congrats to Seth!
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed. Also that baby is in good hands
R.I.P. Black Mamba. Thank you for the upload.
Went straight to practice right after winning the ring. Kobe's competitive engine is insane!
Him and MJ by far had the ultimate killer mentality
you can add Patrick Mahomes II to that list
Say what you want about Kobe, but he certainly took no shortage of time practicing his craft.
@@poindextertunes Tom Brady and Cristiano Ronaldo as well.
Killer mentality is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
It means nothing they’re all professionals
@@abudabi1995 You think they all work the same? Why is it, when they're all gifted athletes, we still have superstars? Why do you see some with all the gifts in the world unable to compete at the same level as someone who isn't physically as gifted? I think your mindset must come from someone who has never played sports at a competitive level higher than tee ball. The great Yogi Berra said "Baseball is 90 percent mental, the other half physical," and while that is a baseball quote, it applies to all competition. Look at Ben Simmons for a excellent example the other way.
The fact that this is free is always amazing. Top tier quality. It's amazing- I haven't watched a basketball game in years, and I was too young to see any of this era, but I'm totally gripped by the story and the way that SB plays through the themes of a storyline. Always fantastic.
This is by far the single greatest piece of content I've ever watched. I've seen many videos on the Kobe vs Shaq beef, but none of them jumped into the level of detail that this 3 part series did. It took me back to my youth when my friends and I would argue at the lunch table who the Lakers should trade: Kobe or Shaq? As a person that makes NBA content myself I could only imagine how much effort was put into this as well. You've not only made me feel extremely nostalgic, but you've also inspired me as a creator. Thank you for this masterpiece, I'll certainly be re-watching all 3 parts again
I always wondered if Kobe teaming with Dwight Howard forced him to appreciate Shaq more. Shaq and Howard are similar in that they both like to joke around and have fun -- things the all-business Kobe never had time for when he was playing. The difference is that when the game starts, Shaq wants to kill you. With Howard, he always came across as someone who wanted to win but have a good time doing it and wasn't going to run you over the Shaq would.
Can't remember where I heard it, might be Stephen A? But yeah dealing with Dwight put things in perspective for Kobe in regards to Shaq.
He did. Stephen A smith said that during the 2012-2013 season when Kobe was teammates with Dwight that Kobe called Shaq and told him that
Lol appreciate Shaq more? Look at the box scores in the finals
I think Kobe knew
@@abudabi1995 I think he means more attitude not ability.
Shaq got replaced wtf Is you talking about
Just watching this partly, I realized how much of a "work love" Pau Gasol is for Kobe. Pau is the exact opposite of Shaq - no talk, no diva, pass first Center.
Shaq may win more with Kobe, but Pau complemented Kobe much more.
I’d put it this way:
Shaq was undoubtedly a better player than Pau, but the dynamic of the respective duos probably brought Kobe and Shaq below their ceiling as a duo while Kobe and Pau were able to exceed their ceiling as a duo.
@@KASHYAP772Shaq is my favorite player ever, but I could totally see that description (though I have to wonder what the ceiling could’ve been if winning three titles doesn’t hit it).
However when you describe Pau and Kobe the way you do, and how they complimented each other, I have to wonder:
What if Pau and Kobe played the whole 2000’s together?
My guess would be this:
They’d probably not be a serious contender in the early Millennium so the teams they beat in the conference playoffs would have played one another with the conference finals teams winning it all (you’re welcome Sacramento).
But once Pau develops, they probably become serious contenders through the mid to late 2000’s assuming they could still put a team around those two.
Kobe might not get five rings, but he could have had a consistent second option for the whole decade instead of what happened.
What do you think?
@@fortynights1513 Honestly think not much would change. The 2000's were just dominated by truly elite bigman like duncan, garnett and obviously shaq. As good as gasol was, he is clearly a level below these other guys and would probably not make the difference for a title contending team. Even dominant defensive bigman like Jermaine, ben wallace etc would make Pau struggle. So I dont think Kobe and Pau would win any chips until shaq has exited his prime and duncan/garnett have gotten old, so from 2008/2009 ish, which is exactly what happened irl. Kobe would dominate all those years btw, because no defender at SG could match him during the 2000s, or his entire career for that matter.
The Kobe/Pau Lakers weren't just those two. As a Lakers fan during the 2000s, I always think of it as Kobe and the 3 headed monster of Pau, Odom, and Bynum. Pau was the best big they had, and his arrival changed things, but the fact that the Lakers could rotate between those 3 bigs, and basically always have 2 of them on the floor, was their competitive advantage.
I also think it helped with a lot of Kobe's bad shots. I remember reading in the Sports Page about "Kobe Assists", where he would miss a shot, and then Pau or someone would get the rebound and score.
I love reading a calm and intelligent sports discussion/debate. Rip Kobe
This already feels as good as the cavaliers docuseries. The best sports history content a fan can find.
Cavs doc was great
Man you guys should be proud and fulfilled from the great work you are doing, literal chills
This is arguably the greatest video sports essay I've watched. Props to Secret Base.
Already watched a whole 26 minute video 3 minutes after the video dropped? lol
Lol I was about to say that. But I'm expecting it to be a great sports essay
Hasn't been out for 14 liar lmao
@@eliminator123456789😂😂😂😂 on god
Just to get to the top of the likes. Truly pathetic
You can tell how much Seth loves all this. The amount of detail in these mini doccos is amazing. Also it's so Amazing to know that Seth is still with us... Missed you heaps
this was another 10/10. thank you for these incredible videos. it is still hard for me to think that kobe is no longer with us.
I haven’t even made it past 5 minutes and I know this is gonna be amazing. Seth and SB never fail to disappoint
Before you ask: the opening piano track is Gymnopédies 1 by Erik Satie
Sounds like minecraft
Thanks, I was just about to NOT ask...😂😂
@@anonymousjoe7220Minecraft sounds like this
@@davidescobar1625i feel like I remember something about Satie being an inspiration for a lot of the ambient tracks in mc
Wasn’t gonna ask but glad to know nonetheless, thank you!
Debussy in the background truly elevates this to a masterpiece. Cannot wait for part 2
I didn’t think anything this channel put out could match Fighting in the Age of Loneliness, but Seth repeatedly challenges that assumption with everything he makes. Kudos.
I've been looking forward to this
It never ceases to amaze me that Shaq, Shaquille O'Neal, the guy who busted multiple backboards and made grown adults look like children, was willing to accept and express the emotional vulnerability necessary to grieve in the way he did. There's something beautiful - tragic, but beautiful - about that.
Seth, you're the Shaq and Kobe of writing and narrating hoops. Think Shaq may have been talking about you when he said most dominant 1-2 punch in NBA history. Luckily, we also have the rest of the '01 Lakers directing and editing what we're seeing on screen.
Appreciate the videos as always, boys - they're truly the best sports content we have available.
The biggest "What if" of the NBA in the 21st century: What if Shaq and Kobe got along? Which seasons would they have won titles from 2003 to 2008?
If Robert Horry 3 vs San Antonio in 2003 doesn’t rim out,The Lakers would’ve been 4x,1st ever back to back to back to back champs..
Even as depleted as the bench was in 03, I agree with the above comment Horry hitting that shot saves the series against the Spurs and we probably 4 peat.
Other than that it would all depend on how well Kupchak could've retooled the roster around both Shaq and Kobe if Shaq doesn't take a pay cut it would've been difficult as already in 04 Shaq wasn't the same. Maybe in 05 or 06 but by 07 and 08 Shaq wouldn't have been good enough to be the #2 on a contender. I'd doubt we get Pau in this scenario either so ultimately how things went down was the best for the Lakers as a franchise imo.
@@CrazyxEnigmabest response. Shaq was eating and playing his way out of his prime FAST. He became an expensive backpack
@@KingDizzleLTDinc.Terribly sorry, but Bill Russell's Celtics did win 8 in a row
@@davispo7550didn’t know that
Rest easy Kobe, we'll never forget you. Thanks Secret Base!
This video means a lot especially to me since I grew up watching Kobe Bryant and he was always my favorite player. Thanks for your work, Seth.
The quality of the storytelling and A+ graphics make SB videos so compelling. Not a Lakers fan, hardly an NBA fan, but will watch part 2 and beyond. They're that good.
That final still shot and edit you guys used immediately sent chills down my entire being. Amazing video and content as always❤
Man I miss Kobe so much 😭it breaks my heart that my guy is no longer here! He was insanely driven to be the best he could be. Nothing but respect.
Oh and if Kobe told the detectives that he should have done what Armando Kozomara does and pays off his victims and makes them sign NDAs; you'd probably would change your mind on the man in a quickness.
@@jebvoorhees125 All super famous or influential men have women sign NDAs or give them hush money to not talk about the encounter. Who gives a d@mn about that 😂
so THIS is why seth has been MIA in the other content lately. Love this. Someone already said this, but there is no better voice to tell this story.
I hope you read all the comments Seth. I was a HUGE P&T reader starting in 2010 (the Amar'e winning streak) until you left--it is so cool to see you be able to do stuff like this. you deserve all the success you've had and what's in store
It is Dusshera in India today (Dasain in Nepal and for places with Nepali dominant demographic, like the one I'm from) - it is a day of celebration with family and friends. This series is my Dasain gift - as always, Thank You SB ❤
Have a joyful Dasain!
I literally fought with my brother growing up. I also fought with close friends that I considered Brothers. This happens but it doesn't mean that the love is abandoned ❤️
This type of content shouldn’t be free. Another masterclass in sports documentation from the lads.
Much like Jordan and Brady in the clutch - it seems like Secret Base never misses with these essays.
Oh yes. I've been waiting for a long form basketball doc from Secret Base ever since I saw the "Chosen" Lebron/Cavs doc. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
2000 made shots per day is the definition of Mamba mentality. 2001 season really reflects that, cuz he went off. Can't wait to see part 2.
Secret Base never disappoints. Best sports channel, hands down.
This is going to be the best sports video essay of the year, great job SB
Communication and compromise are essential for all relationships. As great as the Kobe and Shaq duo was, they could’ve done so much more
yeah, combining two top 10 all time players both in their prime you could realistically win every year. honestly insane how we talk about them winning "only" 3 championships together, just shows how good they were.
I love the work you guys and gals do so much, and I just wanna say, "Thank you!" Seriously great content for years and years now. I recommend this channel to all my friends who enjoy sports and those who check it out are always happy they did. So yeah, Thanks SB team!
a channel worth recommending to most everyone
love how you started this beef video how you usually end it and not calling it an actual “beef” video 10/10
Good stuff. I gave up on basketball during this era. I always remembered Kobe as the young kid who shot (and missed) way too much. When people started talking about him in the same breath as Michael Jordan, I couldn't even comprehend. I still don't understand everything about the love of Kobe, but I quickly learned of his MJ-like desire and work ethic.
I'm really looking forward to the rest of this series.
This is as well done as ANY sports documentary I’ve ever seen. Spellbound in emotion and remembrance, thank you
We love you Bean. We always will.
Once it opened with Gymno No.1 I knew this would be an all time series. Such a great track.
Seth and SB killing it, as always. pure art, just like Kobe's midrange.
When he was alive and playing for the Lakers, i really wasnt that fond of Kobe, as i grew up a huge Magic fan and loved his unselfish style of play, making his teammates better, impacting the game not thru scoring but rather thru passing, which was the exact opposite of Kobe.
But after he retired and began his next venture into business and family i began to appreciate the man, as we got to see another side of him. Man do i miss him, never did i ever think those words would come out my mouth. RIP Kobe and Gigi and the other 7 who passed that tragic day
The last minute gave me chills. This is so well-done
It's unbelievable how many things I still find out about my favourite player all time and his career. Fantastic documentary
Y’all are some of the GOATs for all these amazing documentaries. Every single one is excellent in pretty much every way, thanks for all your hard work!
Dude, that was perfect. On to pt 2.
This video gave CHILLS
A masterpiece, Seth. I appreciate you
This channel is criminally underviewed. If you're a fan of sports and/or documentary films this channel is a must watch.
👍🏾🎯💯🧠👏🏾
The are a lot of non sports fans that watch these, because the storytelling is so good. Jon Bois is the goat.
Patiently waiting for part 2. Amazing doc
That was incredible! Best sports YT channel
Great video, both are legends! Shaq and Kobe would have another ring if Kobe didn’t let his ego get in the way in 2003. But also if Shaq worked like Kobe did, he’d be the goat.
Rip Kobe
Yeah, both great, yet flawed, men.
You mean 04? 03 Kobe balled out vs the spurs in 03
My first manager was someone id known my entire life growing up and she was an absolutely devoted Kobe Bryant fan. Her name was Kenisha Brown so they shared the same initials and she always went by KB. She was one of the closest friends ive ever had. It hit her hard when he passed early that year. She passed away as well in December less than a year later. Ill never forget how surreal that felt. Like the year was bookended on both sides by the loss of a KB and how specifically shitty that year was would always be stamped into my memory. I know this barely has anything to do with the video, but I can never think about one without thinking of the other. Both were taken far before their time. May they both rest in peace.
Thank you so much for including Roland latency’s biography on Kobe.some of the most in depth stuff I’ve ever read
As someone who played a considerable amount of basketball 2,000 makes a DAY is something I couldn’t even fathom
Video essay length beef? I'm here for it.
Okay. Another great video. Y’all are pretty much the best in the business at this stuff! I cannot wait to see the rest. But y’all knew most of that already.
I’m here in yo comments to signal boost the notion that we definitely need a whole video about that “subterfuge and cajoling” on the part of West to get these once-in-a-generation talents to the Lakers.
Great content. And congratulations for a well written documentary. I've been here since 200k subs and happy that your channel has been growing.
Man. Feeling something watching this. These guys were so big growing up. Kobe was the man. What an incredible documentary. Thanks.
He wasn't, and that was his issue
Beautifully done. Can't wait for the next 2 episodes.
I think the framing of it as just "work beef" this day and downplaying the animosity is just something to ease Shaq's state of mind. I'm sure he knows it was more than that and he probably felt extreme guilt for his part in it after the tragic passing. I believe he desperately wants their previous tension to be framed as something just to bring out the best in each other rather than how toxic it actually got.
I don't blame Shaq what so ever in this regard.
They were both young. It happens
I knew Seth was missing for a reason... and I LOVE IT!!!
I still can't believe Kobe's gone, man.
The 0.01% of youtubes best content, most craftfully executed. Thank you.
Btw. What song is the piano playing in the background towards the end?
2,000 made shots every day… Kobe was a different breed man. RIP to an absolute legend. Shaq+Kobe are most unstoppable duo to ever do it.
Phenomenonal work as usual. Shouts out to Seth and the whole SB crew.
As a Celtics fan I obviously dislike the Lakers, but you can’t deny the greatness those two had. I certainly gravitated towards Shaq’s personality and play style but Kobe’s work ethic couldn’t matched
Kobe and Shaq was the best to watch Shaq and frobe inspired me to out work every one like an obsession I love you Kobe ur drive and sacrifice made me a tireless worker who standed out wen I work black mamba is my alter ego it's the hardworking Kobe mentality
Everybody in these comments are saying the same thing, but it's necessary, theses series you guys are making are incredible. The falcons and Vikings ones were awesome, but these one is looking to be in another level
Legitimately some of the best sports journalism there is.
Can’t wait for Part II!
I remember distinctly how my morning was going when I heard that Kobe Bryant had died; it was my birthday.
It's strange. Basketball has never really affected me or my life in any capacity. Kobe's passing came as such a shock, no one could ever even think of making an argument that he isn't one of the most iconic basketball players ever. It feels bizarre and cosmically strange for it to have happened on January 26th specifically. I spend most birthdays contemplating now, mostly being grateful that my immediate family is still here with me.
I don't know where I was going with this, nor why I shared that. Superb video, as always, but anything from Secret Base always is. It's kind of a given at this point, there's nothing but quality on this channel. Like I said, basketball is not really all that important to me and I sat all the way through this because of the exceptional storytelling talent of the people behind this channel.
Secret base documentaries are so good I’d watch them at a funeral🤣🤣🤣
SB KEEP THE NBA content COMING~ Seth, you have no idea how much this improved my day.
YES!!! I needed this in my life! As long as y’all keep making videos We can make baskets Forever. Liked. Subscribed. Notified. Appreciated.
The Best Secret Base video ever made 🙌
The number one thing I learned from this episode is 2 people may have a lot of ego & pride distilled within yet if one can let go of both than the universe will bless and appreciate all in the long run
Rest in power Kobe 🙌🏾🙏🏾
This will no doubt become the greatest sports series on UA-cam
Shaq celebrated Phil relaxed Kobe made 2000 shots a day. That’s why we loved Kobe. Gave me chills
By far one of your best videos ever. The use of classical music is brilliant.
Lets go baby! Thanks Secret Base!
Best vid ever about the best iconic duo's kobe& Shaq along with mj& scottie which are the best in basketball history
Stoked for part 2, this is brilliant work!
The answer is, give it to the largest player that is closest to the basket. Kobe has more missed shots than anyone that has ever played in the history of the NBA. No one wants to negative stats when it comes to Kobe. Great video on the Lakers of that time. If you go into What If territory, you need to consider what a rookie Magic would’ve accomplished with a prime Shaq.
Y’all never fail to deliver, love the way this is framed, can’t wait for the rest of it!
you do realize this wording means they always dissapoint
@@christopherkrol6515lmao I had to read it twice to make sure
@@christopherkrol6515 edited the text, thanks man lol
This is the ultimate beef history, the crown jewel of beef history. It is such a big thing they got Seth to narrate it!
Really glad you guys made this video, Shaq always seemed embarrassed and regretful about it but Kobe embraced, they respected each other but they know what they said each other
In my personal opinion y’all are definitely the greatest sports UA-cam creators of all time no challenge
SB has always had solid content but damn y’all been killing it with every video/series lately 🔥
Still crying when I see Kobe....
Yes me too, but that's because he raped my aunt
You’ve done it again. Nicely done guys.
I’ve been really excited for this, forced myself to wait until I had an off night to watch.
Thank you, SB, for making these type of videos. Hands down, the best in the game at these types of pieces. And special shout-out to Seth. His narrative vs. other people's narrative are night and day in my opinion. Thank you.
Jon Bois is the reason these exist.
I attended UC Irvine from 2013-2015 when Kobe was still playing. I had heard from a good chunk of my friends that Kobe has been spotted in the gym system (the Anteater Resource Center) from the crack of dawn, the second it opened, and he wouldn't leave for an eon. Fitting with his early-career persona, those stories were never personal, it was just Kobe doing his thing whether anyone else noticed or cared or not.
The end of the video at least gives me a clue as to what exactly he was doing for so long, so that's good to know. (UC Irvine, for the record, does not have a football team. It has decent basketball and volleyball teams, so they're all about the hardwood. It's a good choice.)
I never hit the like button. For Secret Base I now will hit the like button. Thank you guys.