Maserati 4200 Coupe Review - Is this GT worth the DuoSelect risks? - BEARDS n CARS
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Maserati's always offer a palpable allure, but nowhere is this as apparent as on the used market: Absurdly cheap prices for what essentially amount to classier Ferrari's. Italy's Jaguars if you will.
With that being said, these Maserati 4200 Coupes are often seen with DuoSelect transmissions, aka the Cambiocorsa or F1 gearbox as it is often called. And as we all know - that means risks.
So the question is - are these affordable exotics worth that risk?...
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Thanks, that's really helpful! As an older guy who's always admired Maseratis it's sometimes good to see a 'real' review!!
Cheers! I'm a Maser owner again currently and love them. Some aren't great, but most people just don't know what to look for
I have a 2005 gransport 90th anniversary Spyder and a 2011 Quattroporte GTS and have never had any issues...love them both!
Glad to hear it! I loved mine while it lasted, but good ones seem to be the exception rather than the rule. The cambiocorsas certainly have a reputation for a reason unfortunately.
One of the last true Maserati made. Beautiful , reliable and such a stylish car ., I should
know - I own two of them.
Hi, considering this model, how's the reliability and what sort of miles are you doing?
@@TheStevePow It's great , solid build , so stylish and rare , Don't drive much myself , but there are cars driving daily in Europe with 300,000km on them.
That’s one of the best and honest 4200GT’s review that I’ve ever seen. Well done!
Cheers! 🤙
If i had a word to describe my Gransport it would be "firecracker". Thats how it drives when pushed even moderately hard, explosive and dramatic.
I'm 6 foot 1 and i have plenty of head room in the gransport
I’ve owed my 2006 - magnificent machine - full Larini exhaust/cat mod. , - dbw mod (a must) , chip mod/air filter mod.. a beast…. ❤ no issues….🎉
Fantastic review. I appreciate the thought you put into the dialogue.
nice video the 3200 V8 is the last maserati developed V8. the later engines are ferrari derived. (4200, 4700)
Cracking review, and thank you. I'm seriously considering this actual model with 50k or so miles on it and FSH. As a long-standing engineer and mechanic I'm hoping I can manage it's foibles and hiccups myself, with less time spent on them than the enjoyment of actually driving it ;)
I've had the XK (3.0D - 55mpg!) and then XKR and found it a bit joyless, more of a GT with grunt than sporty, let's face it only the Italians can do real 'sports' saloons and coupe's, always with a handful of quirks thrown in for good measure :)
Glad you pointed out the fact that even the Quattroporte is phenomenal through corners. I've seen some people bash it for its handling characteristics, which totally boggles my mind. Every time I step into a 5th-gen Quattroporte, I'm impressed all over again. In fact, I dare say I find the package a bit more attractive than the 4200GT/GranSport; however, I also don't think it's fair to compare the two with each other, since the similarities stop after the engine and transmission are mentioned. Your explanation of the differences is spot on: the QP feels large, but it feels light -- it dances smoothly through corners, and it holds onto the road for dear life. The 4200GT/GranSport, on the other hand, feels smaller than it is but still feels weighty. (In fact, even the steering is heavier.) Like the QP, it corners well as well... and, yet, it's far more aggressive. It also is much more playful, comparatively bare bones, and puts sport before luxury -- whereas the Quattroporte, to some, failed at both sport and luxury. Though, now that the car has been around for years and has been analyzed and figured out, it's safe to say that the knowledgeable buyer will expect to derive from it a perfect balance of sport and comfort. (Okay, maybe more sport than comfort and practicality!) After all, this vehicle is FAR removed from today's concept of a sport GT, and it can now be appreciated exactly for what it is.
For sure. And after buying the wrong QP at the wrong time, I ended up going back for more as my current car with the ZF Facelift model. The point on handling boggles me, both of them are still easily in the top 5 best handling cars I’ve ever driven, up there with the Giulia Quadrifoglio and 997 Carrera S 👌
@@HSGAutomotive Most prefer the ZF models, as the transmission lends itself well to the sort of vehicle that the QP is. (F1 is more fun, but "fun" has its caveats.) I think the later models' having a ZF turns them into what they were intended to be: sport-luxury sedans. Anyway, the handling really does amaze! I'll take your word on the Giulia; I'd like to someday get behind the wheel of one.
Yeah having a proper automatic makes a world of difference. The altered weight balance from moving to conventional wet sump lubrication changes the handling too, although I love both the 47:53 and 49:51 splits. The Giulia just feels like a compact, muscular little ball of power and attitude, like a DTM car for the street
@@HSGAutomotive Right, two different beasts - lots more than just a ZF transmission. Apparently, there were over 1,000 new parts in the ZF models.
The Giulia certainly gives me that impression, as it's rather compact and squat. I don't know if this is a proper way to describe it, but it almost seems like it was born as a German car but was raised by Italians - hahah.
altough the quattroporte is much more pratical (4 doors), i still prefer the 4200GT for the looks
It's true that only those who have the "microbe" can justify Maserati ownership to themselves. I drive mine at weekends, when my mechanic is 300 km away. Obviously, I didn't go for reliability rather than for the looks, the speed and the sound.
I may had my issues with her but never looked back (yet).
Absolutely worth the risk, as an owner of a 4200 Spyder, the value for money in respect to the fun vs spend ratio, is amazing.
On average it costs £3,500 to maintain though. Roughly £1.05 per mile. Plus fuel and insurance
Marvellous, professional review. Many thanks.
Cheers, glad you enjoyed!
Considering one of these myself (among a series of other cars).
I am aware of the risks for sure, but I'm willing to take that chance. To put it into context the car would be a weekender only (maybe 3,000km a year) and would be replacing my current weekend car - which is an Alfa Romeo 147 GTA.
Having owned a 147 GTA (and ive also had a regular 147 selespeed in the past) it's probably safe to say I have a relatively good idea of what to expect, as I feel they are going to be similar ownership experiences in a sense. What I mean by that is that when you buy a 147 GTA , you do so because you want something that is unique, sexy, thrilling and full of charafter . And you do so knowing full well that you're sacrificing a lot (reliability, build quality, mintenance costs, electrical quirks, some weird design quirks) in order get that.
I feel a 4200 GT (or Maserati in general) is kinda the next evolution of that. It's the type car you buy when you and your wallet have outgrown your 147 GTA, and you're reaqdy to take the logical progression to something that gives you a lot of the same things, but just amplified by like 500%.
For sure. I'd also recommend keeping an open mind toward something like a Jag XK as well. With Maserati as my favourite brand, I bought a 2007 XKR, and it delivers a very Maserati-esque experience for a similar price to these 4200's.
@@HSGAutomotive
I do like the first gen Jaguar XK8 / XKR a lot. Unfortunately I'm in Australia, and over here an XKR is as rare as hen's teeth, and the XK8 while still attractive for me, is a little on the slow (and probably soft) side for what I'm after.
To put it into perspective I already have a W204 Mercedes C250 as my daily driver, so I have a practical, comfy all rounder. For my weekender I really want something that's a bit more exciting, and I'm not sure a N XK (unless it's an XKR) would scratch that itch for me.
At the moment it's pretty much down to:
* 4200GT / Gransport
* GranTurismo
* 981 Boxter / Cayman
* Alfa 4C
* Audi B7 RS5 (for THAT V8 engine)
* Lotus Elise 111R
Also had the Quattroporte on my shortlist, but I'm a big audio head and the stock speaker layout sadly doesn't leave much potential for a quality upgrade.
@@pete3198 Ahh makes sense. As you may have already seen I uploaded a review of the GranTurismo today, and man what a machine. Literally everything I wanted from my Maser and this 4200, and then some.
@@HSGAutomotive
Interesting! I'll have to check that out.
I've looked into them a lot, general consensus seems to be that the GranTurismo feels much more like a GT car, and feels a lot bigger and heavier then the 4200GT. I've even had a few people tell me that the Quattroporte actually feels slightly more sporty then the GranTurismo (I believe the two are based on the same general Chassis). Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how the three compare - I'll check it that upload!!
@@pete3198 Hi Pete just to put my 2 cents in I have had a few Italian sports cars and had my heart set on the Maz Grantourismo(GT). Then I drove one back to back against an older Gransport (GS)and I actually ended up getting the GS the only way I can explain it is the GT felt more like a Mercedes for some thats fab for me for a weekend car its boring and the GS is just more alive more theatre more wild grin. Bit like the old 911 turbo. My advice drive drive drive before you decide. Ps also had a 911 carrera 4s that was boring.
Fab review! Just thinking headroom, how tall are you mate?
6'3
From 2004 the car is improved, a coupe will have the same improvements as the gran sport. Quicker changes and other important things. Quite an interesting upgrade and essential when deciding to go for this car.
Thank you for this video! I just one question grandsport over the granturismo! While I do have a variety of cars, viper, elise, 4c, evora, etc, I love that this is rare and different compared to the granturismo. While it might be a grand touring car, it is a gentlemans sports car also, it doesn't do everything right and it makes you work for it. That should be part of it, the granturismo while may look better, be bigger, and perform better, I feel like this is the more analog comprising car, you remember yourself driving this as you work for it, while the granturismo has its soul lost in the exterior, this has its soul in the powertrain and mechanical engagement...
Just picked up a 4200 RHD Manual (allegedly 1 of 44 ever made). Mechanically sound however just spent £5k (cash price) on a sympathetic body restoration (bonnet, bumpers, mirrors, wings) + detail/PDR work. Bought it for a cracking steal at £8k but underestimated cost of paint. 20yrs on the Maserati paint leaves A LOT to be desired. I was half tempted to label it a 'rat rod' and avoid the cost. Is this something you've noticed with the older Maseratis? It's black and I suspect the heat affects the poor paint quality over time. Ideally needs a few respray but given the resale value of these things can't justify the cost. Factoring in what I've paid bringing it back around I'd be reluctant to spend more on bodywork.
I didn't have any age related paint issues on mine, but they were from 2005 on so they may have changed things by then, at least on QP's
@@HSGAutomotive I stand corrected. Having just got my car back from the shop it was apparently subject to a respray at some point so Maserati aren't to blame. Paint didn't quite match the paint code and a less than premium quality lacquer was used. Unfortunately for me the cost of putting it right will be almost what I paid for the car 😩
great vid. would love to see your gran turismo review!
I’d love to cover one in future 👍
Ahem
Eyy lol
I'm 62 I got a 2005 Quattrporte and a 2002 spyder, I love both, but I prefer the spyder, it's a lot of fun..
For a car this old, the guy took really good care of the interior.
Edit: What do you think about the 2020 Ford Bronco?
Yeah it's been loved for sure. Around 30k miles less than my car had even though it's 3 years older. And yeah the Bronco looks cool, reminds me of the FJ Cruiser.
The 4200GT is manual. The car here is a 4200 Cambicorsa.
The manual transmission is a six-speed unit that was available either as a GT or CC (Cambiocorsa) using paddle shifters. The GT version utilises a foot-operated clutch, whereas the Cambiocorsa (Italian, meaning "race change") is an automated manual transmission that uses a Formula One-type gearbox with hydraulic operation and electronic management operated by F1-style paddles behind the steering wheel, similar to the system used in Ferrari sports cars.The system allows the driver to choose between four different operating modes: Normal, Sport, Auto and Low Grip. Each of these programs is selected by means of console-mounted buttons, corresponding to different types of operating mode. By switching between the Normal and Sport modes, the driver can select between different electronic stability control settings and, if installed, different active suspension settings.[30] Normal mode provides a more comfortable ride, whereas Sport mode stiffens up the suspension and provides fast gear shifts of around a quarter of a second] Automatic mode electronically handles shifting of the transmission, but allows the driver to rapidly revert to manual using the F1-style paddles. The Low Grip, or Ice mode, allows for smooth starting and gear changes on snow and ice.
You've heard of Quattroporte now get ready for
Dueporte
Guess you could call the Birdcage the 'Unoporte'
And the old grand Prix Maserati Noporte
Can you try to get a Ferrari 456 GT (Manual) and compare it to other 2+2 cars of the time it was sold?
Would be interesting to cover
Hi Mike! So next one is the Ghibli? BTW, that's my all-time favorite Maserati. Not that I'm planning on buying one, given how poor I am, just want to know your thoughts about it. Have a good one!
Haha, no idea yet bud. I'd love to review a Levante actually, and the Gran Turismo for sure
Hi! What's the fastest N200 car?
Renault megane turbo i guess
I’d risk getting a 4200 … at least it’s engineering is accessible, complex & pricey, but still accessible plus, a chance to learn.
I’ve ended up buying a second Quattroporte myself, so I can’t criticise the allure of the trident, lol. My main advice would be to get a GranTurismo though, if it’s in your price range and taste. Primarily for the ZF gearbox improvement over this era cambio (same reason why I bought my current QP) or get a traditional manual 4200 👍
If you are open to fixing it yourself it’s actually pretty easy to work on. Example: the dealer will tell you that the transaxle and rear subframe need to come out to replace an F1 pump for many thousands of dollars when in reality it’ll cost you about $400 in parts and can come out fairly simply in your home garage.
They are pretty well built cars
Im actually looking to buy a 2003 cambiocorsa Spyder, the only concern I have is the reliability issue. I do own a 18 Ghibli SQ4 rn and I think it's missing some Ferrari element that I was originally looking to have. I heard the 4200 models, specifically the Cambiocorsa, the biggest money pit would be the clutch.... but other than that, are there anything else I should be aware of before buying? Thanks!
I've heard similar myself, since my QP was a 2005 with the same style of Cambio gearbox. Apparently they eat clutches unless driven in manual paddle mode exclusively. Mine stopped being able to engage reverse or drive at all within 2 months of ownership, along with its cylinder head gasket needing to be replaced by 110k miles, even with an extensive service history. The cost of both repairs were in excess of 10k, which wasn't worth it to me on a £7,500 car at the time.
Based on my personal experience, combined with everything that you would want from the Maserati experience - the looks, the sound, the classy aura - I would strongly recommend looking into an X150 generation Jaguar XK or XKR. Same price range as a 4200, and even for a Maser fan like myself the Jaguar outclasses it in every way except rarity. And those XK engines are good for 200k+ miles, with servicing and parts being a fraction of the price. The only thing you lose is the badge panache.
The Jag has a fantastic sound, stunning presence, far more space and comfort, doesn't smell like a pit lane garage all the time as a Maserati sometimes can, and has significantly lower running costs over time, including outstanding fuel economy for a GT. 35 mpg on the highway for example. You can find my reviews of XK models on the channel too, but here's some of my thoughts if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/4ZGlyHEI24Y/v-deo.html
How tall are you my guy? I'm 6ft and am considering buying one of these but I don't want my head hitting the headliner.
6'3, it's definitely not roomy in the head region, surprisingly given that it's technically larger than the XKR of the time.
My gransport is great for me at 6 foot 1.
I struggled in boxsters and other similar smaller cars
6 foot you'll be fine.
What you ever do a review on a grand sport ?
Hopefully yeah, I'll have to find one a reasonable distance to feature
@@HSGAutomotive that would be great to see what you would have to say about the grand sport . Good luck 👍
wait I thought you sold the qutroporte ?
I did, as I said in the vid
@@HSGAutomotive yeah I noticed as a watched the video further
Is it as good as a DB7?
Can't say personally, I haven't tested the DB7 yet
Waaaaaaay better, if you look past the brand name/James Bond nostalgia. SOS the XK8/XKR, in all honesty.
The Aston really did feel like an XJS with a bodykit with the six cylinder and the chassis couldn’t really cope well with the V12. The DB9 and Vanquish are light years ahead of the DB7 and the DB7 doesn’t justify the price hike over the Jag.
The dash top looks like Steven seagals hairline
Hah, yeah quite a few Maserati's have a widows peak dash
How tall are you?
6'3
It's a shame your dulcet tones aren't heard in the car as you drive. Not complaining in the slightest though
Haha, the GoPro mic is pretty muted unfortunately. The inherent issue with making it waterproof I guess.
What your doing I commend. Linking the car gaming world with the vehicles they're based on is a fantastic idea. Stunned no one has thought of this before.
Stuart Morris Thanks 😄👍 and yeah I’m of the opinion that the influence of racing games on future buyers is severely undervalued by manufacturers. My purchase of a Touareg was directly inspired by playing TDU2 for instance.
Stay away from cambiocorsa gearbox!
Agreed
Friends - you just need to know how to drive it. I’ve owned mine since 2007….and it’s awesome…Formula Dyanmics Drive by wire enhancement. Module helps.