Maserati Quattroporte ZF Facelift - The one which you should actually buy! - BEARDS n CARS
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2021
- As a three time Maserati Quattroporte owner myself, I've had my share of experience from living with both DuoSelect (''F1 transmission'') and ZF models...
After doing so there is absolutely no question in my mind that the facelifted ZF transmission models from around 2008-2013 are the ones to go for if you are in the market for a QP, either in 4.2 or 4.7 litre forms. From superior reliability to more appropriate driving manners for an executive performance car, the ZF simply makes more sense and feels like a more well rounded machine...So let's review the facelift ZF model Maserati Quattroporte!
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Once again, the passion speaks and you’re back in an Italian saloon. The description you’ve made of it is the perfect example of living with an Italian car, a lot of a car for the money !
Looking forward to buy one soon too, started looking at some that have less than 60/65k miles, prices have dropped considerably in France for zf ones.
Enjoy your magnificent machine, and please, get rid of these mufflers 😂
Cheers.
Haha nice one bud 🤙
I have personally owned two gransports and used them as daily drivers and believe it or not never had a single problem with either in thousands of miles!. I am sure being used all the time helped both cars!. I know people who have had the same car and only used them for the odd sunny day and had nothing but problems. Why this is I haven't a clue!. Keep it specialist looked after and use it.
I've heard similar, I wonder if Tesla and Germans want to keep competition down?
I’ve heard similar and I think it’s partly to do with the electrics and keeping the battery in a good state of charge and partly to do with keeping the oil running through all the engine components
Thank you. Great review.
I enjoyed watching this review - I’m a facelift QPV Sport GT S owner, and never had the opportunity to sample the pre-facelift DuoSelect and your compare/contrast was very interesting. I’d go a step further for anyone wanting to consider one - 1) get it inspected by a specialist prior to purchase and 2) with all those electronics, keep it on a trickle charger (CTEK or similar). I drive mine on short journeys and it’ll lunch the battery unless you keep it on charge.
Nice one
Good review! I think the M139 Quattroporte is one of the best looking sedans ever. Also it should be noted it’s not a F430 engine, and the difference isn’t really a few parts or tune. It’s more like most parts and construction.
The V8s that were put in Maseratis were made by Ferrari but were never actually used in any Ferrari models. The wide group of F136 engines had 7 variants. 4 were the less powerful cross plane crankshafts that went into Maseratis. Better low end torque for moving these heavy cars. The other 3 were the more powerful flat plane forged crankshafts that went in the Ferraris. More high end power for these lighter cars.
The engines in the Maseratis were a F136 R, S, U, or Y variant. Not the F136 I, F or G in the actual Ferraris.
There were multiple differences in construction including: single (Masi) versus dual (Ferrari) variable cam phasing, cast versus forged crank, different intake manifold with tuned runners, single versus dual throttle bodies, and more.
I suppose a more accurate way of wording it would have been the same engine family, or ''DNA''
hi, the 4.7 v8 was used in a prototype Alfa Romeo 159 (the 4 door saloon version of the brera), it was mounted transversaly and was a.w.drive , they never went into production due to costs but... I have the 159 and it tease me to try a swap as I know it worked.
Question, what gearbox do you think Alfa put those proto cars ? because there is a 159 awd but the torque of the v8 is beyond those gearbox I think.
Thanks for the detailed clarification. Many reviewers over simplify or simply repeat unresearched statements. The two engines were quite different despite sharing a common manufacturer.
Excellent review thank you sir!
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed!
I know that car! My friend is the previous owner. It has an interesting history, if you didn't know. It was owned originally by an F1 team principal. I've driven it, nice car. Great colour scheme.
Yeah Graeme Lowden 👍 I don’t have it anymore but this and another green one I had later were great cars for sure
Very nice car and yet still desirable to me. That was definitely worth it to buy it again with the zf transmission. Congrats !
Cheers, loving it so far and looking forward to freeing up more of that Ferrari sound with the open pipes ✌️
Love this shape
The QP M139 is an amazing car. My anxiety was through the roof when I purchased mine. Have owned it 3 years now I have learned so much about the car. Mine is an 06 Duoselect, purposely chosen having driven both cars. Thanks
Glad you're enjoying it!
Please tell me it’s a Sport GT
0:08 omg that sound aaahh
I would use that as my Alarm sound my gosh it is wonderful
Haha thanks buddy
I have the pre-facelift ZF Quattroporte I think it looks nicer and I haven’t had any issues with reliability
Nice bro I used to watch ur fh3 tunes lol
Nice review about a nice car. I came close to buying one but opted for a Bentley Conti GT instead. The Sub-Frame rotting issues around all Maserati's of this age was one of the factors I shied away. Did you get yours up on a ramp/inspected before you brought yours and is this issue still around for the later cars? as I'm sorely tempted to have another look if the Bentley Cripples me! Lovely looking cars though and yours looks a corker!
You and I are on the same page! This or a GranTurismo could be an upgrade from my Jag S Type V8. The only thing I don’t like is the Car Tax! Thanks for posting.
Yeah my tax actually jumped massively on this car compared to my 2005 QP, from £340 to £600, same as the XKR
So your back lol once a Maserati gets under your skin hard to drive anything else. Lovely car you bought and as you said the ZF a little easier to live with. Great video
Absolutely, lol. I like to this of this one as what I was hoping for from the first experience. Loving it so far, and can't wait for the mufflers to be removed to unleash that Ferrari music
@@HSGAutomotive are you a member of the M139 group on Facebook as theirs a good wealth of knowledge and support in the group.
I have also found with these cars preventative maintenance is key above all else simple things like removing door cards and lubricating rails and regulaters and under carriage sealing is also high on the maintenance list to stop sub frame rust.
All in all looks like you got a great buy and I hope in a year or two to buy the facelift model 2009+ maybe the 4:7 if I am lucky but I am lucky enough at present to have a 2007zf and to be honest I can’t think of a better car for the money out their except the facelift lol
@@bobobrien3509 I am yeah
@@HSGAutomotive I did a muffler delete sounds epic outside and yet silent with windows up cruising.
More noise when you push it above 4K rpm and you can hear in the cabin then but at a steady pace no cabin noise unlike some cars.
I have a sprint booster fitted might make a good video for you in the future ?
Excellent video. Have you done one on the 3rd Generation Quattroporte? Would like to hear your take on these. My favourite model.
I haven't driven one of those yet, no. But I absolutely love the look of them, and would love to review one. I almost bought one recently in fact but settled on a classic Lincoln instead
Very good video, I own a Maserati QP M139 2007 Sport GT (ZF 6 speed) and it is the best driving car I have ever owned. Yes I've had issues... front struts (Skyhook) failed...there's a valve that's triggered by a signal from the suspension ECU...the valve failed in the RH strut and forced the suspension into super hard mode , with a dashboard error...I notice that in this video there are a few error lights on the dashboard when he's driving.
The front suspenbsin bushes wore out and needed to be replaced. My independent MAserati specialist has a trick where he uses a bush from the rear susoension in the front upper links...and the problem doesnl;t come back.
I had an issue with rats nesting under the fuse box that ate the wiring and killed the AC...but easily fixed.
NOW, the car is 100% reliable, I keep it on a battery tender in the garage (they don;t like low battery voltage)
AND it is without doubt the best handling car I have ever owned... I love it!
BEWARE of very low mileage cars......they haven't been driven, rubber bushes will have hardened, A/c compressor will leak oil thirough lack of use, and eventually die ...the compressors are now as rare as hen's teeth an d when yoiu can find one..$2k+ ..... and the tyres will have flats on them, cusimng vibration in the steering....the only cure for that is new tyres ....I replaced mine with Michelin Sport S tyres a few months ago....the 4 tyres alone were $3k+
Some early wet sump cars (blues cam covers) suffer from cam variator issues because the oil drains out of the head when the engine stops, when it starts, theres no oil up there and over time it wears - symptom is rattle sound for a few seconds after startup - don't buy a car that rattles - unless you get it for a good price, the fix is not astronimcaly expensive.
HT i was maBut overall...i love it, the looks, the comfort, the sound , ah...my wife thinks i'm mad...mind you she always has. She thougt I was mad when I traded my Lancia HPE VX for a Maserati BiTurbo in 1994 - she was right then.....maybe she's right now?....no I don't think so ....
I think the earlier DuoSelect ones were better built. Most people don't like the F1 gearbox. That's it.
How do you quantify good handling ? what is this thing like at the limit and beyond ? thx
Nice, reliable and cheap to maintain outside of warranty
More practical than a Ferrari, cheaper than a Ferrari, and easier to maintain than a Ferrari. With a Ferrari engine. So yeah, real nice ;)
@@HSGAutomotive where do you gwt cheaper parts?
Nice presentation btw!
I haven't needed to buy much for it, but I've used Eurospares. They have basically every component on the car for sale.
the maserati quatroporte 4.2 has skyhook suspension, the 4.7 has the normal suspension.
Love mine…
For this version with the ZF gearbox, what are the remaining elements that are still somehow unreliable ? The skyhook suspension? Anything else ?
Skyhook can be, though I’ve never had trouble with it in 3 Quattroporte’s now. Mostly you’ll just have small electrical gremlins like a fuel cap door button or rear sun visor. I just avoid using most accessories so then they don’t break. Aside from that good servicing is everything 👍
I did replace the variator with TEM Tec variator before my variator had any problems. Work was done by factor dealer.
I also replaced the entire cooling system and radiator after some over heating & i limped my QP into the dealer repair shop. I also replaced the 3 (three) engine mounts, 4 shock tower rubber mounts. I replaced the 3 (three) front speakers and is using a bluetooth converter with a 420watt amp making clean music but never over power that amazing exhaust.
My suspensions are fine. i can afford to drive anything but i ❤ my ancient Maserati QP 4.7 Executive GT with its front mid-engine, Ferrari engine, Pininfarina designed body seating 5 and a usable trunk. If only i can find a low mile GranTurismo MC then i wil sleep in my garage.
Something I cannot find anything about on the internet is which of these models have the active exhaust. I know a bout the GTS but do generally all facelift models have the active exhaust or only the GTS
If I recall correctly the base model 4.2’s at least don’t, from a DIY muffler cut-open which someone did to make it a straight through system, and there weren’t any valves inside
What are the search tags for the livery you had in the toyota ts050 tune video in the livery editor on gt sport?
Holy s***, what a gorgeous spec. That blue is amazing. The facelifted version is one of my favorite cars. I could write paragraphs why I feel that way, but basically it boils down to how special it is. Love this thing, and it’s incredible to me how low the values are on this car. I believe it’s because of Maserati’s shoddy reputation, and the pre-facelifted version’s car horrible transmission.
Also, I drove last year a 2018 Granturismo, and I hear these cars are heavily related. If that’s the case, I’d love to drive one of these. I loved the steering and the amazing sound of the Granturismo.
Thanks buddy, I don't have this one anymore, traded it for a Flying Spur, which didn't work out. But yeah the GranTurismo is close enough to being a 2 door Quattroporte in most ways. You do have to pay quite a bit more for the equivalent condition and miles though on the GT
@@HSGAutomotive I see. I’d much rather have a Quattroporte. It has to be top 3 saloons in terms of styling in my book.
What mileage is yours? I considering to buy one GTS 2012, and it has 85000 miles, it is gorgeous but I am only concerned by mileage.
Mine had 58k, about 60.4k now. You could get away with 85k for sure, its up around 100k where I'd be very cautious.
@@HSGAutomotive ok, thanks. I have an Alfa Giulia diesel, almost new, and it is excellent car, but my hart telling me to switch to that QP GTS…
Ah nice. I reviewed the Quadrifoglio a little while ago in this same series, fantastic machine. Far higher price point though obviously, lol
The qp has better handling than the Granturismo has. Well... the Granturismo has no handling at all beyond 80mph so it would be very weird if it would not be better
The GranTurismo I drove handled just fine from my experience, but it doesn't feel as unique as the QP
How would you compare this to the XFR? In terms of daily driver, and reliability? Gearbox performance?
The ZF box is actually used in the XF anyway, for reliability I'd probably give it to the Jag overall, though the 5.0 engines have their own issues, and my XKR had a fairly constant stream of smaller gremlins and things to touch up or fix. Apart from that their practicality is about the same, same space, similar trunk, similar economy, even a similar price.
Ultimately it all depends on what you want from your daily. I love the XFR of course, but still chose this over it primarily because it's just more special. The look, presence, sound, etc. The Jag is a refined muscle car, the QP is a refined exotic. The only slam dunk the Jag has is on replacement parts, both for pricing and sourcing.
@@HSGAutomotive thanks for your reply! I was surprised you chose the QP after your rave about the XFR. You could sell both the XKR and QP, and end up with the best of both worlds; XFR-S.
@@jacknickprobe Haha I’m keen to drive the XFR-S, but for that price I’d buy what I really want next - a Panamera Turbo
I would say definitely the XF gets the award for being more reliable, now I am speaking primarily about an XF 5.0 I had non supercharged. The common issues for these cars are widely known, water pump, injector issues, which can be prevented with injector cleaning, And then the timing chain issues, however that afflicts the range rover models more so than the Jaguars for some reason. At 140,000 miles the only issues I had with my XF we’re the water pump, 90k, the injectors went out at 140,000 miles just Bank 1, but I never used injector cleaner, and then I did have one expensive repair which was the crossover pipe, also known as the water pipe. Mine cracked during a spirited drive session and Red lining it several times over about an hour. When I was mad at something lol and that was pretty expensive to repair 2-3k. The ZF 6HP28 is a very reliable transmission and mine shifted smooth as butter at 140,000 miles👌
Always loved the idea of a Maserati. Not sure if its practical for two kids and their stuff lol.
For space its been great so far, more depends on two things: If you're willing to set aside a budget for keeping it in good condition (much like a Ferrari they need to be doted on which isn't for everyone) and two, selling it on will most likely be difficult, as many people are scared of the ownership experience. My general rule is that you should only buy a Maserati if you absolutely must have a Maserati, not as just another option. If its more a case of just wanting a cool fast saloon, then you'll have an easier life with something like the fantastic Jaguar XFR.
Jamil Khan, it is, I got quattroporte 2009 and not only is it practical for two kids and their stuff, but also for one wife and her stuff, albeit a bit tight with that 😅
I take my 2 kids and their stuff in my QP I’m going to sell my Audi A4 as I was going to have the QP as a second car
Pro Tip. If you see a normal gear shifter in the Quattroporte, it’s good.
That little metal shifter stay tf away!!!
Agreed
@@HSGAutomotive I'm thinking about upgrading to a QT GTS or Gran Turismo after selling my Renntech. Arguably a silly purchase but the child in me wants to fulfill a dream. Ive heard great reliability from the ZF+4.2/4.7 and heard most of it can be DIY
Any advice?
@@BorisBidjanSaberi11 Some can be done yourself, but the usual issue (depending on where you live) is sourcing parts. Some have to come from Italy which drags out waiting times, costs etc. And even if you use something like Eurospares in the UK which I did for my brakes, you should obviously be expecting to pay a premium just because of the badge.
I traded mine after 5 months for a Bentley which was ultimately a mistake given that the Spur developed water ingress issues on the electrics, but even so I was ready to move on from the QP by then. Its a lovely car, but the suspension squeaks like hell in cold weather (known issue and unfixable from what I could find) and its best purchased as a performance car first, luxury car second. I don't regret mine, but I wouldn't get a 3rd QP
Maserati is another one of the many names that gets my eye, too. I have my choice narrowed down to 2002-04 4200GT with a 6 speed manual transmission. It's the sportiest one of them all. BUT I know I couldn't get it for reliability. Ha aha ha. lol Any of the others, Jaguar hands down because of what would be made up for in parts still expensive but lots cheaper and readily available for the Jags, plus some increased reliability. Then I have to remind myself how it would be easy to find a Corvette that has a substantial amount of all those advantages over both and has just as much speed. But then again the Vette's quality may not be as good as either of them.
I've strongly considered a Corvette myself as well, usually a C5 for this price range, and from what I hear they are solid, especially by sports car standards. Not without issues, but mechanically sound for the most part. Main things which have held me back are the dated interior and lack of usability as a daily, which is what all my cars are used as.
@@HSGAutomotive And can agree 100% with what you said about the Vette, mechanically sound and solid but dated interior. I think I could get by with using one as a daily driver, but that would depend on what all stuff I have to keep in the car.
For me I'm not a luxury car guy for the most part I'm a sports car guy. That's why I own a 97 Camaro. The interior is meh but it has the same 0-60 time as your car even though it has 70+ less hp because of the weight difference
Camaro 'ain't a sports car, but cool, lol
@@HSGAutomotive yeah pony car I guess. That's like half muscle half sports car. Something like bigger a charger is considered a muscle car
beautiful car except for the front and rear lights which are plain ugly.