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I have an uncle who flew F-4s and F15As. He said the F-104 was not an airplane, but a manned cruise missile that would sometimes return to base. Never flew in them but saw them many times in Germany.
Hartmann himself said about the F-104 (he qualified on it) that it indeed was not a dogfighter but rather an incredible interceptor and boom and zoomer. He argued having superior speed on all altitudes as the prime quality in a supersonic fighter.
Hartmann didn't flew it himself. He was against the plans of the german Luftwaffe to buy the Jet. He had good conections to the Pilots in the US Airforce and they told him about all the problems the Jet had. One of the F-104 Project Leaders said that Hartmann didn't had the expirience to talk about the matters. After a lot of accidents Hartmann blamed the german decission of buying the jet and was pushed away from his post.
The name is cool too: The Starfighter. It sounds like from Star wars movie. It evokes F-104 can go to orbit and back. That would be cool. Something like UD-4 Cheyenee (Colonial Marines dropship).
The Germans have the nicest nicknames for some of these old planes. 'Erdnagel' is a favorite, sure, but I just love 'Luftwaffen Diesel' for the F-4 Phantom! 😅
"Efchen" for the Eurofighter (EF) is nice as well. Sounds like Äffchen, which means little monkey. Or "Klappdrachen" for the Tornado (folding dragon) :)
@@radfahrer875 Die Phantom ist in erster Linie der Luftwaffen Diesel, dann der Öl Ofen und erst dann - vielleicjt - "Eisenschwein", was ja mit gar nix was zu tun hat...
I don’t even DCS, but i watch the channel to see how various aircraft are practically used. It’s nice when you have plausible scenarios. I enjoy those the best.
I was in Cold Lake Alberta in 1981 during Operation Maple flag and an A-10 claimed to have locked onto a CF-104 with a Maverick missile. I was never sure if he was serious or joking.
There's a couple places in Alberta where there are Starfighters suspended just above the ground to walk around. Cool jet! Cold Lake Alberta also has a suspended F-18 which is really impressive to walk around.
When I was young the Dutch air force flew the F-104. We used to call the flying soldering irons. They were quite noise, as in those days they could fly low over recreational woodlands..............o how times have changed.
Those MIG-19 jockeys were probably elated that their ejection seats actually worked - but furious when they found out they didn't come with parachutes!
"Oh, it tracked. They don't usually do that." An accurate description of the first generation of air-to-air missiles. Even the Sidewinder had teething pains. During Vietnam where they were clearly the better option over the Sparrow, they still had a tendency to malfunction, lose lock even in good conditions, etc. It wasn't overconfidence in the weapons that led planners to believe that guns were obsolete, it was malicious ignorance that willfully blinded itself to the actual results of air-to-air missile testing.
In the seventies ( 1975 ) when most Starfighter users already had chosen a new fighter plane ( F 16, Tornado .. ) F 104 -G user Italy started the production of the F 104 - S, with Sparrow missiles.
GS , you should fly in F104S Super Stafighter. Italian variant could carry 2 Aim 7 E , 4 Aim 9 f/j , but no cannon, and was powered with a J79-ge - 19 , 8200 kg/s engine.
I saw a StarFighter years ago at an airshow in Canada. It had a very distinctive engine sound similar to an F-18 (but much lower pitch). The pilot demonstrated the turning radius of the StarFighter... and I'm still waiting! 😂
You should see some of the proposed designs for the F-104. I don't remember what country did it, but there was a model with canards that looked like the tail on the fuselage spine.
The old "go completely stationary on the enemy missile operator's scope at the highest possible altitude, to confuse him about whether to shoot" trick, eh?
The F104 took over the title of The Flying Coffin from the B47. It was also called The Widow Maker. Losses were 31.8%, all from accidents. It had a stall speed of 316kph (198mph) below which it just fell out of the sky in an unrecoverable flat spin.
Saw a few posts about Cold Lake, AB, and other posts saying they saw the 104s in Canada. I have to assume those were in Cold Lake, too. I got a chance to spend a couple weeks there in 2004 while I was an Air Cadet, doing the aircrew survival summer camp. We had F-18s flying over every 15-20 minutes, as well as helicopters, the Snowbirds, the Thunderbirds, and of course the 104s, all practicing over our heads for the Cold Lake Airshow. Super cool. They would drown out our instructors, it was hilarious. The Starfighters have a hell of a howl! Also, got to go to the actual Cold Lake Airshow, too! On a side note, while we were out in the bush, we were treated to hearing live fire exercises off in the distance as well. Pretty unreal!
5:31 That goes well with "The wings are only there to separate the tip tanks from the fuselage" :D 7:58 That's how you spell CLOSE, guys! 8:19 Never take a chance twice... 9:05 Did your engine just die up or did you cut the throttle? 9:32 ... getting greedy... 9:55 The missile always knows where it is by knowing where it isn't... 9:58 ... gets you killed ;)
Love that you chose a JG 71 „Richthofen“ 104 G my home town wing. I can remember hearing the sonic boom and early screeching the 104 made from my childhood!
At a decommissioned naval air station in my hometown they have an F-104 on static display in NASA livery. It's in rough shape but they're restoring it.
7:51 I think the greed saved your life on this one lol. 9:53 dude that's real tough 😂 good flying though! I enjoy your videos! It's very in in depth, thank you!
Seeing these fly along with the Phantoms/Eagles at Luke AFB when I was younger was a real privilege. They retired the Luftwaffe program in March of '83.
This is the exact color-signs of my 1st aircraft model I made was I was a kid, I grew up with these winged rockets flying arround together with the F4s, back in the '80s in Greece.
This jet always makes me laugh. Obviously the pilot stories are hilarious, but the look as well. That tail is so huge and rigid, it looks like it's made of concrete or something. Combined with the weird little stubby wings, comedy.
Seen an F-104 close, in Belgium in a museum, in the same hall with an F4 Phantom; it looked like a cruise missile with a cockpit when compared to the F4; but such a beautiful little rocket it is.
My grandpa was in the Dutch military in 1960-1980. He joked that the German military would accidentally fly through Dutch airspace because of the 104s huge turn circle.
According to F.P. Streid (1985), Lockheed did a paper study on modernizing the F-104 Starfighter into a dogfighter by implementing structural changes to compete with Northrop's F-20 Tigershark. Source: Streid, F.P. (1985, April 25). F-104 Dogfighter [PDF].
The SAM across the nose make me think of that line from Spaceballs..."I said across her nose, not up it." The F-104 would probably done a lot better if it had been intended as an interceptor against bomber formations than as a dogfighter.
One of the reasons it got it’s nickname early on was the fact it was deadly to its test pilots during development. One test pilot had to eject at speed and was cut in half by the tail. They then decided to try something radical and designed a unique ejection system that fired the pilot downwards through the bottom of the plane to avoid that. Shortly afterwards, a test pilot was killed on a takeoff roll when the ejector seat malfunctioned and fired the pilot into the runway, then the plane ran over the dead pilot. (I’ve seen the test footage - not pretty.)
It's strange. We call it the Witwenmacher but I have met ex pilots during my service in the luftwaffe and expected them to hate it. It was quiet the opposite, they all loved that plane.
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At first I thought this was an April Fools joke, and I was going to hear you talk about 1 circle and 2 circle in a plane that turns worse than Derrick Zoolander.
I seriously think the Starfighter's seductive look really messed with the better judgement of the guys that bought this fighter. This was one of the first models I ever made. In an age when fighters need to be adaptable to changing threats in the height of the cold war, this was just not the one. The F4 Phantom looks like a pig compared to the 104, but it was is far superior machine.
I was very fortunate to have met and spoke with a retired USAF Colonel, who had flown both the F15 and the F104. He was very solid in his conviction, that given an opportunity, he could out fly an F15 with a F104.
The Germans tried to press the 104 into other roles than interceptor. It was meant to get up to altitude quickly and then rush to wherever the bombers were coming in.
In the end, you got greedy, flew too close to the sun, and lost your wings.. Honestly, that's the kind of shit that earns you a callsign. We really should call you Icarus. good fight, dude.
LOL!!! I'd like to see you try more vertical fights in the 104. And drop those silly wing tanks!! :) I think it might do sorta-OK under those conditions. (?)
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F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD
8:25 missile impacts the ground lol was well disguised in the falling debris ;)
F104 vs mig 31 DOGFIGHT
F16 vs F86
Most times, the comments are as entertaining as the battles.
Is the Jeff still a thing? Haven't seen it on your channel in like a year
How do you get a F-104? Buy a plot of land in Germany and wait.
Lmao actually hilarious
😂
This actually really tickled me lol
@@EDCandLace tickled??????
😆 lol
"It banks with intent to turn" is probably one of the funniest quotes ever.
" ya don't get that lucky twice..." - GS
Couldn't agree more, couldn't agree more !!!!
F-104 G CCV would be an interesting addition.
An F-104 needs the state of Nebraska to do a 180 turn.😆
a lawn dart has much better aerodynamics than an f-104.
Your video quality is so far ahead of all the other DCS videos on YT. It looks gorgeous. Great as always bro.
many thanks, much love.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Which version of the AIM-9 were you using? L, M, P?
@@farisshaikh1026 I think the G version used either J or E version, most likely it's aim 9J
A battle where the MiG-21 enjoys an advantage in wing loading! 😂
Seriously, just seeing the F-104 in combat simulation is great.
Pretty sure a car has more wing loading😂
Wonder how it compares to the harrier lol
F-104: At least it has better wing loading than a brick.
I'd love to see GS fly The J-7 VS MIG-21 lol cant really get a closer matchup!👍
I have an uncle who flew F-4s and F15As. He said the F-104 was not an airplane, but a manned cruise missile that would sometimes return to base. Never flew in them but saw them many times in Germany.
"sometimes" says everything you need to know about the f104😅
Hartmann himself said about the F-104 (he qualified on it) that it indeed was not a dogfighter but rather an incredible interceptor and boom and zoomer. He argued having superior speed on all altitudes as the prime quality in a supersonic fighter.
Hartmann didn't flew it himself. He was against the plans of the german Luftwaffe to buy the Jet. He had good conections to the Pilots in the US Airforce and they told him about all the problems the Jet had. One of the F-104 Project Leaders said that Hartmann didn't had the expirience to talk about the matters. After a lot of accidents Hartmann blamed the german decission of buying the jet and was pushed away from his post.
Hartmann, if I'm not mistaken, tended to stick to tactics such as boom and zoom during ww2.
"Where's that missile?" is almost as ominous as "Where did he go?"
But not as panic inducing as "I think I'm safe"
The F-104 and the lawn dart. Both are narrow and sleek. Both are prone to deadly accidents. Both are known to have a tendency to go into the ground.
Thanks captain obvious 🤣🤣
nose first, don't forget nose first
I love how badass the starfighter looks.
The name is cool too: The Starfighter. It sounds like from Star wars movie.
It evokes F-104 can go to orbit and back. That would be cool. Something like UD-4 Cheyenee (Colonial Marines dropship).
The Germans have the nicest nicknames for some of these old planes.
'Erdnagel' is a favorite, sure, but I just love 'Luftwaffen Diesel' for the F-4 Phantom! 😅
"Efchen" for the Eurofighter (EF) is nice as well. Sounds like Äffchen, which means little monkey. Or "Klappdrachen" for the Tornado (folding dragon) :)
The F-4 is the "Eisenschwein" meaning Iron Pig.
@@radfahrer875 Die Phantom ist in erster Linie der Luftwaffen Diesel, dann der Öl Ofen und erst dann - vielleicjt - "Eisenschwein", was ja mit gar nix was zu tun hat...
@@Ganiscol Na, wieder im Klugscheissermodus unterwegs?
Starfighter: when the circumference of the earth becomes your rate fight. Don't worry, I'll come back around and get him.
I don’t even DCS, but i watch the channel to see how various aircraft are practically used. It’s nice when you have plausible scenarios. I enjoy those the best.
Might be a 'lawn dart', but, it is a sexy looking lawn dart.
"What is that, a MiG-19?...Fox-2."
Gotta love GS LOL
I was in Cold Lake Alberta in 1981 during Operation Maple flag and an A-10 claimed to have locked onto a CF-104 with a Maverick missile. I was never sure if he was serious or joking.
You must have some interesting conversations with planes in an airfield. Ever have any guys approach you with a nice jacket with extra long sleeves?
israelis shot down at least one plane with some a2g missile (from a helicopter!) so not impossible
Mavericks can although probs wouldn’t hit
@@Isaiah-oj6zm Would at least be a fair dogfight: Both the F-104 and the Maverick have lots of thrust combined with tiny wings 🙂
Did he specify if the 104 was in the air?😅
"Lawndart I mean Starfighter"
Cracked me up lmao 😂
There's a couple places in Alberta where there are Starfighters suspended just above the ground to walk around. Cool jet! Cold Lake Alberta also has a suspended F-18 which is really impressive to walk around.
I understand the Starfighter was 'fast as hell' ... can you do some high speed intercept scenarios with this beast?
That would be nice. Maybe VSN is adding at one point the ZELL variation. Would allow a spectacular launch.
Imagine flying along and all of a sudden, BOOM...toast...
I like how gs used differential thrust against that mig in that climb!!!
I don't see the missile launch.... Kaboom!!!!! 😂 Those KIA parts are the most funniest 😂. Loved it ❤
When I was young the Dutch air force flew the F-104.
We used to call the flying soldering irons.
They were quite noise, as in those days they could fly low over recreational woodlands..............o how times have changed.
According to several old timers, the F-104G had a really great radar and avionics for its time.
The Germans also called it "Erdnagel", wich roughly translates as earth nail. Rather accurate, don't you think?
Those MIG-19 jockeys were probably elated that their ejection seats actually worked - but furious when they found out they didn't come with parachutes!
Man GS, seems like your sanity is deteriorating, having 1 rocket with wings against another rocket with wings
Why did I read the notification as “Growling Lawndart” at first lmao
"Oh, it tracked. They don't usually do that."
An accurate description of the first generation of air-to-air missiles. Even the Sidewinder had teething pains. During Vietnam where they were clearly the better option over the Sparrow, they still had a tendency to malfunction, lose lock even in good conditions, etc. It wasn't overconfidence in the weapons that led planners to believe that guns were obsolete, it was malicious ignorance that willfully blinded itself to the actual results of air-to-air missile testing.
In the seventies ( 1975 ) when most Starfighter users already had chosen a new fighter plane ( F 16, Tornado .. )
F 104 -G user Italy started the production of the F 104 - S, with Sparrow missiles.
GS , you should fly in F104S Super Stafighter. Italian variant could carry 2 Aim 7 E , 4 Aim 9 f/j , but no cannon, and was powered with a J79-ge - 19 , 8200 kg/s engine.
Diglielo frà
@@serse9570 eh col mio inglese sgangherato. Quanto ho amato quel caccia, ho sognato per tutta la mia infanzia e ben oltre di volarci!!
@@simoneradice3576 hey, you did good man.
I got to see the f-104 demo team fly at MacDill AFB some years ago, and it’s still one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen!
36 seconds to end the video and GS was: "Where's that missile?" ... I knew it coming.
I sat in an RCAF Starfighter at an airshow years ago, just before they went out of service. It's a long way back to those wings 😆
I saw a StarFighter years ago at an airshow in Canada. It had a very distinctive engine sound similar to an F-18 (but much lower pitch). The pilot demonstrated the turning radius of the StarFighter... and I'm still waiting! 😂
Rumor has it that the Starfighter from the airshow is still turning to get to the runway…
You should see some of the proposed designs for the F-104. I don't remember what country did it, but there was a model with canards that looked like the tail on the fuselage spine.
That's the F-104G CCV Germany used as a testbed for FBW controls.
Absolutely loving these legacy early- to mid-Cold War aircraft videos. Solid stuff.
The old "go completely stationary on the enemy missile operator's scope at the highest possible altitude, to confuse him about whether to shoot" trick, eh?
Fantastic!
Perhaps they'll come out with the Italian F-104S too. That might be interesting.
better liveries by my persp.
Yeah, they looked pretty nice.
The F104 took over the title of The Flying Coffin from the B47. It was also called The Widow Maker. Losses were 31.8%, all from accidents. It had a stall speed of 316kph (198mph) below which it just fell out of the sky in an unrecoverable flat spin.
the mig 19 actualy has a very primative RWR. it only detect it when you are locked from the direct rear. there is also a delay in it
GS: "You don't get that lucky twice." Proceeds to screw around and find out.
SA-2 : "Hello, this is the missile guidance system!"
The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't...
"We're trying to contact you about your aircraft's expired warranty!"
Every day GS's spider-sense for incoming missiles grow a bit more stronger
A Best of 5 dogfight with the F104 would still be worthwhile
Saw a few posts about Cold Lake, AB, and other posts saying they saw the 104s in Canada. I have to assume those were in Cold Lake, too. I got a chance to spend a couple weeks there in 2004 while I was an Air Cadet, doing the aircrew survival summer camp. We had F-18s flying over every 15-20 minutes, as well as helicopters, the Snowbirds, the Thunderbirds, and of course the 104s, all practicing over our heads for the Cold Lake Airshow. Super cool. They would drown out our instructors, it was hilarious. The Starfighters have a hell of a howl! Also, got to go to the actual Cold Lake Airshow, too!
On a side note, while we were out in the bush, we were treated to hearing live fire exercises off in the distance as well. Pretty unreal!
Love the 104, even if it was problematic. Looking forward to when the best Century fighter is available, the F-106.
I'm so down for full DCS modules of the 102 and 106... probably the most underrepresented fighter, or rather interceptor ever in flight simming.
@@CakePrincessCelestia The F-101 would enter the chat, but no one remembered to invite it.
5:31 That goes well with "The wings are only there to separate the tip tanks from the fuselage" :D
7:58 That's how you spell CLOSE, guys!
8:19 Never take a chance twice...
9:05 Did your engine just die up or did you cut the throttle?
9:32 ... getting greedy...
9:55 The missile always knows where it is by knowing where it isn't...
9:58 ... gets you killed ;)
Legend has it GS is still looking for that Sam missile…
Love that you chose a JG 71 „Richthofen“ 104 G my home town wing. I can remember hearing the sonic boom and early screeching the 104 made from my childhood!
At a decommissioned naval air station in my hometown they have an F-104 on static display in NASA livery. It's in rough shape but they're restoring it.
00:53
"Here's the deal tho...."
Accurately describing the Starfighter
8:00 SAM: First warning man, never get too greedy
9:58 SAM: That's it you crossed the line
Love the Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen" unit marking on the intake of the F-104.
GS: "Where's the missile?"
SAM: "Here, hold this."
Dude, Just because it's called the widow-maker, doesn't mean you have to validate the name. And yet, for some reason I still love the Starfighter.
“Literally splash one” “in the drink” the merry punster today lol!
7:51 I think the greed saved your life on this one lol.
9:53 dude that's real tough 😂 good flying though! I enjoy your videos! It's very in in depth, thank you!
Appreciate you watching man, much love.
Love the F-104 Starfighter. This thing is my favorite of the Century Series. My dad's is the 105 Thunderchief.
Love the FOX-2 YOLO 40 seconds into the video. "The hell is that? .... FOX-2"
The star fighter banks with intent to turn, none the less it is just one of many of my all time favorites
Seeing these fly along with the Phantoms/Eagles at Luke AFB when I was younger was a real privilege. They retired the Luftwaffe program in March of '83.
I STILL wanna see you land that thing! That's gotta be the longest landing roll ever.
The VSN F104 really likes to go fast...and spin. It also really likes to spin, even on the ground!
This is the exact color-signs of my 1st aircraft model I made was I was a kid, I grew up with these winged rockets flying arround together with the F4s, back in the '80s in Greece.
This jet always makes me laugh. Obviously the pilot stories are hilarious, but the look as well.
That tail is so huge and rigid, it looks like it's made of concrete or something. Combined with the weird little stubby wings, comedy.
Seen an F-104 close, in Belgium in a museum, in the same hall with an F4 Phantom; it looked like a cruise missile with a cockpit when compared to the F4; but such a beautiful little rocket it is.
Well... the missile turns tighter it seems...
The last one really shows how greed can cost you a lot. He could've just ran away from the mig-15 but he chose to try to take it
My grandpa was in the Dutch military in 1960-1980. He joked that the German military would accidentally fly through Dutch airspace because of the 104s huge turn circle.
the Jart does exactly what it was designed to do, carry missiles and outrun everything else. lol
According to F.P. Streid (1985), Lockheed did a paper study on modernizing the F-104 Starfighter into a dogfighter by implementing structural changes to compete with Northrop's F-20 Tigershark.
Source: Streid, F.P. (1985, April 25). F-104 Dogfighter [PDF].
The SAM across the nose make me think of that line from Spaceballs..."I said across her nose, not up it."
The F-104 would probably done a lot better if it had been intended as an interceptor against bomber formations than as a dogfighter.
Fun (sort of...) fact: In Italy the F-104 was nicknamed either "spillone" ("big pin") or "bara volante" ("flying coffin").
And that was the last time we've heard of him. His wife is the newest widow.
One of the reasons it got it’s nickname early on was the fact it was deadly to its test pilots during development. One test pilot had to eject at speed and was cut in half by the tail. They then decided to try something radical and designed a unique ejection system that fired the pilot downwards through the bottom of the plane to avoid that. Shortly afterwards, a test pilot was killed on a takeoff roll when the ejector seat malfunctioned and fired the pilot into the runway, then the plane ran over the dead pilot. (I’ve seen the test footage - not pretty.)
Dude, you dodged so many missiles lately that I think we gotta start count them as skill :))
Yeah, I'm just gonna say it: the military are dorks when it comes to naming stuff and naming a plane the "starfighter" is the pinnacle of dorkiness.
Love watching the 2nd and 3rd gen planes in combat. Thanks GS. Keep it up.
It's strange. We call it the Witwenmacher but I have met ex pilots during my service in the luftwaffe and expected them to hate it. It was quiet the opposite, they all loved that plane.
"I don't see the missile launch OHIT'SRIGHTHE--" - Me, entirely too many times
The F-104 is like a dragster. It's one of the best jets if you're going in a straight line as fast as possible, and not great at much else.
When flying the Luftwaffe 104 it would be appropriate to say "Auf Wiedersehen" at the moment your Fox 2 impacts the enemy :)
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I feel like this video with those old missiles really show less dense air up high matters
At first I thought this was an April Fools joke, and I was going to hear you talk about 1 circle and 2 circle in a plane that turns worse than Derrick Zoolander.
0:41 the MiG-17 shedding lonely tears now 😢
I seriously think the Starfighter's seductive look really messed with the better judgement of the guys that bought this fighter. This was one of the first models I ever made. In an age when fighters need to be adaptable to changing threats in the height of the cold war, this was just not the one. The F4 Phantom looks like a pig compared to the 104, but it was is far superior machine.
GS "I don't see the missile launch...OOHHHH..."
[BING]
Narrator "It was at this moment he realised... he'd f**ked up."
I was very fortunate to have met and spoke with a retired USAF Colonel, who had flown both the F15 and the F104. He was very solid in his conviction, that given an opportunity, he could out fly an F15 with a F104.
Famous last words of many pilots: "hirse!mirse...!!!"
"The Starfighter is a good machine. But I'd better fly a plane and not this winged rocket"
“If your goal was to insult me… you’ve succeeded” -Widow maker… I mean starfighter! dang it…
Your reaction to that missile at the end made me spit my coffee out.
lawndart vs pencil, ultimate battles of the 20th century
That slow motion "oooooooohhhhh" was great ❤❤
The Germans tried to press the 104 into other roles than interceptor. It was meant to get up to altitude quickly and then rush to wherever the bombers were coming in.
Actually it was not designed to intercept bombers, it was designed as an air superiority fighter. Read the history.
In the end, you got greedy, flew too close to the sun, and lost your wings.. Honestly, that's the kind of shit that earns you a callsign. We really should call you Icarus.
good fight, dude.
Sweep wing fighter, like F-14 and Mig-23, has F-104 speed and can dogfight at same time (wing extended).
Missile always hits GS with perfect (comedic) timing.
LOL!!!
I'd like to see you try more vertical fights in the 104. And drop those silly wing tanks!! :) I think it might do sorta-OK under those conditions. (?)