@@alltrac101 amazing build.... although I believe keeping the first gear with synchro because you never need to quickly shift into first and also very convenient in a daily. Dog gears on 2nd 3rd and 4th because this is where you need the banging 99% of the time and 5th/6th keep with synchros that way when you are cruising you can be very comfortable and most of the time you can go 1st...2nd... 5th directly for cruising speed for a daily it would be 100% more convenient for you and for the track you would keep banging 2nd 3rd and 4th
🙏 Thanks. Appreciate you watching and commenting. I understand what you are saying but it would complicate manufacturing. 1-2 is on the same collar, so the 1st gear side would need to accommodate the synchro assembly which also means 1st gear would probably be thinner. Depending on the ratio and race a non synchro 5th is still necessary to flat shift. A helical cut dog box is a thing as well.
Thanks for the video. RPM transmissions is building me a lvl 7 tr6060 with straight cut 1-4 and synco 5&6. I can’t wait to get it. Should be done in about 2 months. These videos of other peoples builds has me really stoked!
Not bad.Truckers and bike riders have been shifting without the clutch for 60 or 70 years if not longer. Generally clutch only used for taking off and coming to a stop. Truckers call it floating the gears,and I’ve heard of them getting 700,000 or more l miles out of one clutch. Although most of if not all were straight cut dogbox or crashbox.
So I just went for a drive. That double clutch thing works great. Goes right into gear. Then I try the ease off the gas and slip into next gear... no clutch. A-fuckin-mazing! Lol
your remark at 42 seconds is actually incorrect, the helical gearset is in fact stronger than a straight cut, the difference is weight and axial loads with helical causing some drag on the rotating mass of the gearset.
Not necessary, the clutch is use to take the load off the gear in order to change. Going up in shifting clutching or just letting off the accelerator is fine. I usually clutch and blip on the down shift to prevent wear
nice video and good explanation, I need your advice I want to build a dog box honda transmission with Helical Cut Gears for daily drive and I spin more than a month reading about the dog engagement and how it's work but no one give a clear answer if I can daily drive with current use. because some guys said it will not last long , a lot of maintenance and you will spend $$$ so I want to know -how long does it last if I use it in a good way ( like your shift in the video ) like for example your car how many months you use the dog box -How many times in the year do I need to do maintenance -can you skip shift in the dog engagement ? ( like if you are Cruising at the street in 2 gear can you jump to 4 gear ? ) same with downshift if I'm it 5 gear and I want to slow down I need to go 4-3-2-1 or I can just go from 5 gear to 2 gear I wish you help me with that. you will save me really and I'm sorry the long Questions thanks :D
Hey No Problem. You can drive a dog engagement manual transmission for years as outlined in my vid. Race shifting/Flat shifting is what they are intended to do and that’s what causes the most wear/damage. It doesn’t require much maintenance others than an oil change but the harder you drive it the more worn it will get and more maintenance. Ie take it apart and replace the worn pieces You will know the engagement (dog) teeth are worn when it won’t flat shift properly and/or pop out of gear. The gear teeth itself usually hold up unless you overpower them. Yes. With a H pattern you can select what ever gear you want, 1 to 3, 3 to 5. Going up….5 to 3 going down Etc…Just rev match down shifting Thanks for watching
Im not hating or anything, i just didnt get the purpose of this upgrade, if your car still bounces everytime you change gears, instead of beaing seamless, or is it when youre at low rpm the "bouncing" occurs? Love your build, been following your project for a while
When you let off the throttle, do the teeth jump to the next ones over in the opposite rotational direction due to engine braking? If so, is that what causes the clunkyness at low speeds (on/off throttle) because I had always thought that was the tuning of the race engines at low rpm (like in pit lanes).
The teeth just changed sides of contact No don’t have that issue engine braking even a low speed low gear off/on partial throttle. If you can log the event. Could it be a bucking issue engine wise? Lean/rich condition
Yes, this is what you’d be feeling. You can feel it to a lesser extent in a normal manual, especially with RWD, because the rear differential accentuates the feeling
@@alltrac101 I dog boxed my Galant VR4 I thought I would hate the gear wine, but I actually kind of like it and I like how quickly and easily. you can shift gears. Gone is the worry that each time I shift gears, is this the shift that's going to break the transmission?
Can you use straight cut gears in a auto box like a toyota U140f trans? And what are you using in your upgraded vicious coupling? You have the baddest st185 on the planet btw 👍
🙏 I can’t imagine why you couldn’t use straight cut gears in an auto. Definitely custom tho. Currently have the OEM VC in with the Frana intermediate shaft, so it’s a viscous Front LSD and Clutch Type rear
They're called "spur" gears. They're not "straight cut", they're involute cut. If the gear faces were straight, they'd wear each other down to nothing in no time flat.
My ears perked right the hell up when he said this is my celica, it makes 1000hp 😂😂 okay I’m listening
I came down here to comment this exact thing, literally involuntary ear to ear grin, he said it so humbly 😂😂
Finally someone showing how to actually drive a dogbox correctly at normal speeds
Beautiful car. And very unique build. Cudo’s to you my guy. 👍🏼
Gorgeous car, and what you've done with an already extremely special car is outstanding.
👍 Appreciate it. Thanks for commenting
@@alltrac101 amazing build.... although I believe keeping the first gear with synchro because you never need to quickly shift into first and also very convenient in a daily.
Dog gears on 2nd 3rd and 4th because this is where you need the banging 99% of the time
and 5th/6th keep with synchros that way when you are cruising you can be very comfortable and most of the time you can go 1st...2nd... 5th directly for cruising speed
for a daily it would be 100% more convenient for you and for the track you would keep banging 2nd 3rd and 4th
🙏 Thanks. Appreciate you watching and commenting. I understand what you are saying but it would complicate manufacturing. 1-2 is on the same collar, so the 1st gear side would need to accommodate the synchro assembly which also means 1st gear would probably be thinner.
Depending on the ratio and race a non synchro 5th is still necessary to flat shift.
A helical cut dog box is a thing as well.
OMG those straight cut gears are so loud, would never run them in a street car.
I would.
It’s so funny just listening to all the racing components being held back and tamed, ready to unleash hell in the blink of an eye 😂
Those Frana gearsets are beast! Nice overview Pat
Been watching this video man. TY. Im about to pickup my car in a few hours. It will be my first time driving a dogbox trans.
Thanks for the video. RPM transmissions is building me a lvl 7 tr6060 with straight cut 1-4 and synco 5&6. I can’t wait to get it. Should be done in about 2 months.
These videos of other peoples builds has me really stoked!
Thanks. Straight cut is like music 🎶 have fun 👍
Why did you choose to have straight cut gears 1-4 and are the synco gears helix
It was supposed to be 1-5 dog engagements with a helix 5th for cruising since the FD was helix
Not bad.Truckers and bike riders have been shifting without the clutch for 60 or 70 years if not longer. Generally clutch only used for taking off and coming to a stop. Truckers call it floating the gears,and I’ve heard of them getting 700,000 or more l miles out of one clutch. Although most of if not all were straight cut dogbox or crashbox.
So I just went for a drive.
That double clutch thing works great. Goes right into gear.
Then I try the ease off the gas and slip into next gear... no clutch.
A-fuckin-mazing! Lol
your remark at 42 seconds is actually incorrect, the helical gearset is in fact stronger than a straight cut, the difference is weight and axial loads with helical causing some drag on the rotating mass of the gearset.
Would like to know what engine mods and parts to get 1000Hp?
by using the clutch you're reducing wear? Seems to shift smooth either way is why I ask.
Not necessary, the clutch is use to take the load off the gear in order to change. Going up in shifting clutching or just letting off the accelerator is fine. I usually clutch and blip on the down shift to prevent wear
Shouldn't the advantage of the dogbox is that you can clutchless shift through the gears? Or is it too clunky in city driving scenario?
nice video and good explanation, I need your advice
I want to build a dog box honda transmission with Helical Cut Gears for daily drive
and I spin more than a month reading about the dog engagement and how it's work but no one give a clear answer if I can daily drive with current use. because some guys said it will not last long , a lot of maintenance and you will spend $$$
so I want to know
-how long does it last if I use it in a good way ( like your shift in the video ) like for example your car how many months you use the dog box
-How many times in the year do I need to do maintenance
-can you skip shift in the dog engagement ? ( like if you are Cruising at the street in 2 gear can you jump to 4 gear ? )
same with downshift if I'm it 5 gear and I want to slow down I need to go 4-3-2-1 or I can just go from 5 gear to 2 gear
I wish you help me with that. you will save me really and I'm sorry the long Questions
thanks :D
Hey No Problem.
You can drive a dog engagement manual transmission for years as outlined in my vid. Race shifting/Flat shifting is what they are intended to do and that’s what causes the most wear/damage. It doesn’t require much maintenance others than an oil change but the harder you drive it the more worn it will get and more maintenance. Ie take it apart and replace the worn pieces
You will know the engagement (dog) teeth are worn when it won’t flat shift properly and/or pop out of gear. The gear teeth itself usually hold up unless you overpower them.
Yes. With a H pattern you can select what ever gear you want, 1 to 3, 3 to 5. Going up….5 to 3 going down Etc…Just rev match down shifting
Thanks for watching
Wouldn't sequential be faster / better ?
Sequential is a shift mechanism not an engagement type. Its not better or worse than h pattern, both have strengths and weaknesses.
Love this car
Im not hating or anything, i just didnt get the purpose of this upgrade, if your car still bounces everytime you change gears, instead of beaing seamless, or is it when youre at low rpm the "bouncing" occurs?
Love your build, been following your project for a while
It's for fast shifting on track
How many oil used st 185 trasmicion awd y buy 1 for my swap
Hey Mate, love your gt4, im wondering what strain gauge arw you using?
Thanks appreciate it! Sqs micro switch knob for H pattern
XLNT. Thanks for this swell video.
Hey man. Got any info on the stain gage on the shifter?
Oh my Jesus what build is that . Do you have a UA-cam video where you show your car buid?
When you let off the throttle, do the teeth jump to the next ones over in the opposite rotational direction due to engine braking? If so, is that what causes the clunkyness at low speeds (on/off throttle) because I had always thought that was the tuning of the race engines at low rpm (like in pit lanes).
The teeth just changed sides of contact No don’t have that issue engine braking even a low speed low gear off/on partial throttle.
If you can log the event. Could it be a bucking issue engine wise? Lean/rich condition
Yes, this is what you’d be feeling. You can feel it to a lesser extent in a normal manual, especially with RWD, because the rear differential accentuates the feeling
is it making 1000hp with a 3s or 5s block
5S
@@alltrac101 nice build am trying to do something like that
i jus had a bearing failure in my motor what clearance for the main and connecting rods grade oil , oil presure
It really depends, like most guys I run between 2-2 1/2 tho clearances, when the bearings fail it’s because of other issues.
@@alltrac101 at what oil presure
What brand is that Dogbox or the gear set?? 👍🏼 Thanks beautiful car I love All-Tracs I've had 2 ST-165's
Frana vehicles in Illinois
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why do you use clutch mostly since you can do it clutchless? is it smoother is that why?
It saves the teeth on the dog rings
@@alltrac101 okay thanks
I'm dog boxing my Galant VR4 but I want to ask what kind of instrumentation you are running?
Clarify instrumentation
@@alltrac101 I dog boxed my Galant VR4 I thought I would hate the gear wine, but I actually kind of like it and I like how quickly and easily. you can shift gears. Gone is the worry that each time I shift gears, is this the shift that's going to break the transmission?
What strain shift knob is that?
It’s not a strain gauge, it’s uses a micro switch (sqs)
@@alltrac101Thx.
Can you use straight cut gears in a auto box like a toyota U140f trans? And what are you using in your upgraded vicious coupling? You have the baddest st185 on the planet btw 👍
🙏 I can’t imagine why you couldn’t use straight cut gears in an auto. Definitely custom tho.
Currently have the OEM VC in with the Frana intermediate shaft, so it’s a viscous Front LSD and Clutch Type rear
Hi, can you wright down some data where i can get the gear set please. Thank you.
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@@alltrac101 thank you very much.
I got a GT, any ideas of what mods I should do to it?
Can you shift 1 -> 2 without the clutch?
Yes 1-5 WOT Flat shift up
Not granny shifting, double clutching like he should.
He didn't even have his car!
Awesome vid and even better celica. What engine block are you running?
5S
Thanks for watching
Tou dont have cuffs?
I’m using the factory case and transfer unmodified
Sweet!!
Beautiful machine ! Runs impressive number at the track .
Are you on IG ?
🙏 Alltrac101 on IG
They're called "spur" gears. They're not "straight cut", they're involute cut. If the gear faces were straight, they'd wear each other down to nothing in no time flat.
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@@codeyjoseph2051 You're free to stay ignorant
@@codeyjoseph2051Chill, dude's trying to educate us
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good video, but thats just too loud and pointless in a road car. Im now defo not going to get a dog box
Thanks. If you don’t race it, then definitely it’s pointless.
You can build a dog box with helical gears, its the straight cut making the whine, noy the dogs