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Dual Longplay of Virtua Fighter Remix (Sega Saturn vs Sega Saturn) comparison
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2023
- A dual longplay between the original version and the Remix version of Virtua Fighter for Sega Saturn.The original Virtua Fighter for Sega Saturn was released in 1995 and was one of the console's most successful games despite its issues. On the other hand, Virtua Fighter Remix, which was also released in the same year, is essentially an updated version of the original game. In this version, the characters received textures, and the game received slight structural and polygonal improvements.
The gameplay of the original Virtua Fighter may seem a bit clumsy and slow compared to modern fighting games, but it was the precursor to 3D fighting games and served as the basis for several other 3D games like Tekken, Dead or Alive, Soulcalibur, and many others.
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It's unbelievible that Remix was released short time after the original VF and looks so much better.
Yeah. Remix could have been the one they released in the US, if Sega didn't do that surprise launch
Agreed and the fact that Sega had 6 months between the Japanese and North American launch and didn't even fix the bugs in the original game!
Not that unbelieveable, didn't Remix have an arcade version prior to?
@@maxxdahl6062 no. Remix was Sega saying sorry for the crappy game they shipped with the system with a quick fix.
@@timkasansky2528 It was an arcade release before it was a saturn release however. On Sega's ST-V board. They were likely going to release it no matter what happened with the port of the original. It's just the original port was so botched they had to make good in some way.
I remember my mom got me the saturn in the summer of '95 and it came with a copy of virtua fighter remix. I have vivid memories when I would play until late with my childhood friend fighting each other while my mom made us peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with milk on the side. Nothing like being a kid those days.
I think remix was only sent out in mail 📬 by Sega as apology for pack in vf game
One of my buddies had a Saturn, I had a N64. We switched systems for a week and didn't want to get the N64 back, Saturn was better.
I didn't get mine until later during the time they were including VF 2, Daytona and Virtua Cop with it. I remember getting those and road rash and soviet strike with mine too.
@@user-bm6wu9zw9m N64 64 Bits without Loadings
@@user-bm6wu9zw9m Super Mario 64 was insanely good though.
The perfect version would be the remix one with option for flat shaded polygons just to look like the arcade IF you want
if i'm not mistaken
I used to play on pc that version has this option
@@Pitte84 virtua fighter PC for windows 95 has the option for both remix and original models, but defaults to remix
If one didn't know the story, it would assume that the one on the left is the Mega 32x version, while the one on the right is the Saturn one.
Actually, the 32X port had way less detailed rings.
Desde luego
And to think they made the 2nd and 3rd one for the Sega Genesis, but not for the 32X or Saturn.
Ironically the 32x verison is a great port and the better port
I remember getting the remix for free wayyy back in the day for being an early adopter of the Saturn. Brings back memories seeing these side by side.
So torn on this one. Theres something iconic about the flat shaded polygon look of the early Sega 3D games, and the Remix definitely misses some of that charm. However, as a competitive fighting game on the console market, Remix is more something that could go toe to toe against Tekken or Battle Arena Toshinden. It’s kind of crazy to think that even though the original Saturn VF is the better fighting game, BAT ended up being more well received mainly because of the textured graphics. I think if Remix was the game that launched with the Saturn it would’ve done all that more to edge it out against the PSX. Damn, imagine if VF Remix launched with some more extra unlockable characters and actual character endings. It would’ve been a total Tekken killer imo
My thoughts exactly! I can't choose between the two, I might get both versions!
@@LePixelRacer The JP versions of the games are well priced enough so you may as well!
@@sonicecho5235 I don't know, people keep recommending me to switch to the JP console, but I just feel like the PAL versions have a charm unmatched by those "superior" Japanese copies. But to each their own I guess...
Now years after the fact the flat shading is appealing, but imagine getting this game back then with last gen graphics, knowing there's a version out already that has cutting edge graphics 😂it'd be very disappointing.
@@v1nag3r I dunno if there's a PAL version of the Action Replay cart, but I know on NTSC as long as you have that cart in you can play the JP versions no sweat. I got a good friend that has it and went on to snag Last Bronx, a JP VF Kids, and Fighting Vipers (he HAD to have Pepsiman). They all run without a hitch on it.
Played VF5 first, so my first encounter with Lau was his older rendition. Looking at these, especially the OG graphics, I cannot unsee Mercenary Tao.
While Remix being technically better, I love the ultra low poly style of the original release.
There’s more contrast as well with the lighting. The remix is fine as a sidegrade but the original captures that whole 90s VR fad and holds up better artistically for the time.
It's just a shame in the 6 months between the Japanese and North American launch that Sega didn't even take the time to fix the bugs in the port!
Still the characters look like shit, the remix is alot better
Me too. I played way more VF than VF Remix on my Saturn. VF was the first game I played on Saturn, and the jump from Genesis to VF was outstanding.
@@entertainmentwizard2703 They did for the PC port which I'd say is much, much better. No graphical glitches, you get both Original and Remix in one package, etc.
The Sega Saturn had so much potential.
VF This was the first 3D fighting game I ever saw in the arcades. I remember even my dad (not a gamer at all) was amazed. I like the old un textured polygon style, something magic about it for me.
I've been waiting for this comparison. The original version of this game used polygons for the floor/fighting platform; the impoved Remix version on the right used a VDP2 background layer and raster effects (the same used by 16-bit Super Famicom Mario Kart) to render the floor/fighting platform. This delivered something far better looking for a fraction of the cost computationally; and it's the perfect demonstration of the fact that *the Saturn's 2D VDP2 was always intended for and designed to augment the Saturn's 3D system* . That's why it's the VDP2 and not the VDP1 (which is he 3D GPU.) It will take a while to lay to rest the myths that "the Saturn was built from the ground-up up to be a two-dee powerhouse!" and "The Saturn's 3D VDP was only an afterthought!" but lately folks are starting to wise up to the facts -- especially considering it was Sega themselves who kickstarted the 3D revolution in arcades with their Virtua-series of games.
They also gave everyone that owned the original free copies of Remix.
Exactly! It's clear VDP1 and VDP2 were designed to be used in tandem. Same with the SH2s. The SH2 CPU was designed to be used in a 2-CPU setup. The idea Sega could throw in an extra CPU thus requiring a motherboard, OS, and probably an external casing redesign and release the console earlier than intended is insane. Plus the Saturn has excellent gouraud shading and a form of perspective correction - the later the Playstation didn't have - which are not applicable to 2D shows the Saturn was developed with 3D in mind.
@@stantonbentley2534Clearly you guys know better than Hideki Sato the father of the Sega Saturn that in an interview said multiple times that the Saturn was a 2D machine with the 3D capabilities being an after thought because of the playstation.
@@ivand5699 No, he said he knew the Saturn had to have 3D capabilities, but he didn't know how do it. The SH2 CPU was capable of 4000+ sprites, and could render 200,000 polygons; Sony said the PS could render 300k, which was BS. So he added the additional SH2 because that's how they were designed to work, as a pair.
The early release and poor deployment kits is what really killed the Saturn.
@@stantonbentley2534 He clearly said early in that interview that he had no choice but to make a 2d machine with some 3d capability. He clearly said that no one in Sega knew how to make 3d games except the arcade team and that Sega used assembly to develop their games. Im sorry but in my opinion the 3d in the Saturn was an after thought.
Remix looks nice but seems to be missing the lighting and shading from the original. So despite being low poly, the original ironically looks more round.
really cool seeing these side by side
Just a shame that Remix lost the lighting engine.
What lightning engine ?
@@thesteammachine1282 Virtua Fighter used flat-shaded lighting, and Virtua Fighter Remix opted for texturing with baked-in lighting (which is what we also got with Virtua Fighter 2). Whilst Remix does look much better in general, there are instances, such as Sarah's stage, where the style of the original port has been lost somewhat.
Was gonna say, dang this looks worse with the baked character lighting!
@@stephandolby it doesn't look worse. Overall, it's an improvement because the character models in the original are really bad.
I wouldn't say it's a shame. It would be cool to have it but the over all finished product doesn't compare to remix.
No, I think the Saturn failed because of its advertising not capturing the attention of my generation the way Sony's did (BTW: I liked both), but MAINLY was due to it being an "arcade nerd's" machine that had games pushed to the front that only arcade nerds like me were into (Daytona, VF, Virtua Racing, Sega Rally, etc). The PS1 had exciting new styles and games that people were enticed by. Tomb Raider, though first on PC, sort of made PS1 its home. Same for Resident Evil. Plus Sony had new and exciting first party games like Twisted Metal and Syphon Filter. As a 20-something growing up in that console gen, I saw firsthand how Sony became "the cool kids console" and the Saturn was seen as the "geeks" console, with the N64 being for the kids. I worked in a game store at the time and this was just a cold hard fact. I had all 3 myself, but it is what it is. Sega hitched their cart to older gamers while Sony took a risk on getting casual gamers and new gamers into the mix. Sony won and made gaming "Cool".
At the time id been readinh EDGE magazine and felt 3d0 was crap and saturn was sega so i wanted it, where PS looked cool but so different . I got saturn and loved it but over time the PS games and graphics were just beyond saturn no matter how i tried to convince myself it wasnt. VF2 just didnt compare to tekken 3 and as soon as that was coming to PS i sold my saturn and got PS then pre-ordered tekken 3 . 2d on saturn was great but 3d it was very limited by comparison to sonys console , saturn couldnt compete no matter how much support it had
Excelente muchas gracias por el vídeo y la comparación . Viva la sega saturn . Saludos desde colombia 🇨🇴
The moment the genius Virtual Figthers controls click with you it makes you think you actually know martial arts 😂, Yu Suzuki is the goat!
Hearing the music is making me tear up remembering this era.
I love everything about Remix, but my favorite thing is how much bigger the characters are over the original. Really should have been the version that shipped with the Saturn...
The lighting on Sara stage looks good on the original.
I really dig the look of VF Remix 😎
VF Remix looks fairly close to VF 2, where as VF looks NOTHING like VF 2.
Although remix is the better game, I do have a soft spot for the 'art style' of the original.
That’s just the drugs!!
I really like the lightning in original models
Que lindo recordar al maestro Antonio Ríos en su época de luchas...
Remix looks like a brand new game compared to original
I still played the shit out of the first Virtua Fighter and loved it, and this was in 1996
Not a remaster and neither a remake. It’s a REMIX!
Really though, the visual upgrade looks much better that it’s like a remake within the same console generation. XD
Remix gave me hope that VF2 would be possible, and boy was it ever. The og VF was still charming tho.
Yep. VF Remix and VF 2 are in perfect sync.
É incrível como antigamente a tecnologia avançava rápido. E também as expectativas. Virtua Fighter saiu em 1993 e dois anos depois, já parecia um dinossauro.
É porque a tecnologia era muito limitada, então qualquer avanço já parecia ser algo de outro mundo.
Back to back, you can see how the graphical improvements come at the cost of longer load times
VF Remix veio com o meu Saturn, acompanhado por Sega Rally. Uma coisa que não consigo entender é como a trilha sonora do VF ficou sensacional na versão CD, enquanto no VF2 ficou terrível comparada a versão Arcade, ainda bem que VF2 tem a opção de jogar com a trilha do Arcade senão eu nem encostava no game, mesma coisa vale pra Tekken 3 no PS1.
A conclusão que chego é mesma que tive na época:pressa na produção para o lançamento do game!A versão do 32X deveria ser mais parecida com a original do Saturn,e a do Saturn...bem o vídeo já nos prova como deveria ter sido desde o começo!
Rapaz concordo com você
Quando vi a apresentação
do jogo e vi o Akira parecia
PlayStation 1 vs PlayStation 3 um abismo de poder de hardware e software no SEGA Saturn.
El Remix luce espectacular 🙌 aunque lo que mucha gente no sabe, es que el original es una conversión (hecha mal y con prisas) de la placa arcade Model 1, sin embargo el Remix es una conversión de la placa STV , placa arcade con la arquitectura de Saturn, aunque fue lanzado sólo poquito antes en arcade, imagino fue un desarrollo simultaneo
Proof that there is always room to improve
great video and captions
Looks like they dropped the shading as apparent of that rooftop. Remix polygons are allways bright. Smart move, looks better, yet slightly less realistic, but then the texture mapping makes it look even more realistic
I owned Virtua Fighter Remix. Now, the original looks cute and stylish to me, but back in the day, I'd be very sad if the version I had was not Remix.
Uma coisa que amo no Virtua Fighter (detalhe: sou fã de Tekken) é pouca poluição visual que o jogo tem! Isso eu adoro ver e gostaria que fosse replicado mais vezes nos jogos de luta! Tobal Também é um excelente jogo de luta, que tem aspectos técnicos bastante interessantes, tem ideias geniais que ficaram no passado e não é posto em prática hoje em dia.
They're both so gorgeous. That said, I would have loved to have seen Remix run at 60fps on Saturn.
Un resultado muy muy superior en el remix, el uso de las texturas e iluminación es excelente, parecen juegos de generaciones diferentes.
The remix do not have any lighting at all
the saturn was a system ahead of its time, i notice.
If you keep the punch button + UP pressed, he jumps twice in the enemy's carcass. I found that out by chance after losing 9 times in a row to Pai lol
What a difference, I have both and honestly I kind of like the blockyness of the first released because it's more like the arcade machine
Excellent, I played VF Remix!
Funny thing is I own both. Remix is clearly the better game. But I still play the original from time to time aswell.
I prefer Remix version ! The characters are detailed enough for that time ! I have played the arcade version when I was a Kid , I ve Got my first pc in 96 but way before that I had an Atari and a NES
It's not just technology, certain devs and graphic artists are just immensely more talented than others.. but they never get any credit, being the silent contracted employees. Sega takes it all. But this right here is proof what talented coders and artists can do. The specs never changed much. We give way too much credit to hardware and not the unsung heroes behind the games.
Loadings um pouco mais demorados compensaram e muito no visual, virtua Fighter remix é lindo
Sarah bryants stage reminds me of being on top of a hill in California at night time
Virtua Fighter surpreende muito graficamente, engraçado quando eu olho para Virtua Fighter e Tekken, acho que nem o Tekken 3 compete graficamente com Virtua Fighter Remix.
Its kinda like a professional romhack, or quality hack, or like when they add CD audio on cart systems, things like that. Maybe younger gamer might not want care but playing new games and romhacks on 20 & 30 year old consoles is so epic remakes and remixes are great but id like things like this on retro consoles more.
When I was a kid in the arcade.. "Akira must think he ryu"....the original still looks fun...Sarah has a cool stage setting
Patience Grasshopper! 😅
O Remix É praticamente um Virtua Fighter 1 (um) com a qualidade do Virtua Fighter 2 (dois) !!! SÓ o cenário, com seus efeitos de LUZ, da Sarah que na primeira versão (original) É melhor !!!
Concordo plenamente contigo!
Amo essa versão virtua fighter Remix!
As músicas desse jogo são memoráveis e a jogabildade é melhor de toda à série na minha opinião fora a inteligência artificial no expert coisas que em outros virtua fighters deixam um pouquinho a desejar apesar que no 3 também é muito boa a AI da Cpu !
VF1 saturn and VF2 saturn looks like they were made on different consoles lol
Ok that's infinitely better
Eu não lembrava desta diferença toda ,, O remix é praticamente um Remake tamanha a diferença gráfica
In the US people had the chance to exchange the 1 for the remix for free
Some characters look a bit awkward, Kage I think they honestly did a disservice, but Remix Lau looks _really_ good. Impressively so, to the point he almost sticks out.
Game designers were so obsessed with graphical "progress" in the 90s, they often failed to make good stylistic judgements. 2D games were shunned because they were seen as old hat. Pixel art wasn't a thing, because it was synonymous with the old 2D era. The model 1 look, with it's flat, light sourced square polygons is iconic, but because we'd already progressed onto texture mapping by the release of the Saturn people saw it as out dated and laughed at it. So we get this Remix version, which has none of the character of the original, and even ditches the lighting on the fighters, making them look like flat and lifeless. I'm pretty sure devs at the time would have to create lower polygon models to handle the textures too.
I'd much rather have seen I cleaned up, high res version of the polygonal, light sourced VF1.
Que diferença do VF original para o Remix, curioso saber que quem tinha uma copia do VF original, ganhou tambem a do Remix...
Por um bom tempo, aqui no Brazil, na compra do Sega Saturn, tu recebia uma copia de VF Remix, depois mais tarde foram adcionados mais dois jogos junto, FIFA96 e Daytona USA Championshio Circuit Edition...
While it makes total sense that they'd release Remix back then (trying to show the power of the Saturn, etc) I can't help but prefer the original low poly one more now years later. I just love the cheesiness of it :P
The more expressive shadows of the original version gives more depth to the visuals, but the polygons and textures from the remix make it look better in general.
It didn't matter how it looked like. It was 3D (!!!!!!) and that was the point back then. :D
Não sei se já tem no canal, mas poderia fazer uma comparação com Virtual Fighter de 32X, aquilo foi um milagre pro acessorio do Mega drive a jagabilidade é tão fluída quanto o de Saturn
O 32x tinha, senão me engano dois processadores iguais ao do Saturn, só a gpu que era mé mesmo.
The very first case of a remastered game on the same console!!!!
If Virtua Fighter Remix was an launch title of in Japan, Saturn would have a huge lead over Playstation.
Uma pena esse jogo não ter saído na época de lançamento do Saturn. Teria dado uma força e tanto na época
I bought the console and the game at launch, for the time it looked amazing, and it was fun to play. For one of the first real 3d games at the time i say they did a good job, people judge them too harshly.
Slightly more polygons, texture mapping, animated textures (for the faces), and Guraud shading goes a long way!
Virtua Fighter = Prototype
Virtua Fighter Remix = Classic
Nice comparation!
No cenário da Sara, a versão Remix não tem mais a iluminação oriunda do solo atingindo os bonecos. Uma pena... era um capricho legal da versão original!
O efeito de iluminação nos personagens foi removido inteiramente no Remix. No original, a luz mudava de posição em cada personagem pela sua posição na arena. No Remix as sombras são fixas, sendo apenas cores mais escuras na textura dos lutadores.
"Patience grasshopper."
A piece of advice that Sega itself must have heard in 1994 when considering the launch of Saturn. A few extra months would have allowed the programmers to polish the launch games and get good reviews.
lol lau’s smile when u select him is busted
Quando vejo o Kage e me lembro da pronúncia japonesa, eu rejuveneço. Direto pra quinta série! 😀
Even the floor textures look better... except for the second stage, where it actually looks worse in Remix. Sure, the concrete does have added detail, but it's less noticeable than the faded textures and extra details on the rim of the arena in the original. For some reason, that floor texture was reused for the fight against Dural instead of reusing Akira's floor texture.
One Virtua Fighter ive think is cool us the Sega Genesis version is like Virtua Fighter 2D
Maravilloso tanto Virtua Fighter como su versión Remix que es mejor gráficamente que el que se lanzó primero. Por cierto, añade subtítulos para saber lo que significa lo que se lee.
...'Virtua Fighter Remix'...still one of my all time favoritez...and that 'OST'...some of the bezt muzic ever compozed🧐
Joguei muito esse jogo quando ganhei o Saturn em '96 no meu aniversário. Eu pegava o CD desse jogo e colocava pra ouvir em um microsystem de tanto que eu curtia a trilha sonora.
A Sarah era minha musa, até mais do que a Dural. 😆
Eu jogava mais com o Jacky. No Arcade, comecei usando o Kage mas depois passei a usar o Jacky.
Ainda tenho o Saturn e esse jogo junto com ele. Excelentes tempos! 👏🙌
In retrospect I prefer the flat shaded polygon of VF, than the unshaded textured one in Remix. Without the lighting it feels really flat. Same goes with the difference between VF2 Arcade and saturn.
Daytona USA deserved a remix version, but for some reason it was completely altered to the point it did not feel like the same game.
Não sei se já fez mas poderia fazer uma comparação do primeiro virtua Fighter 4 com o 4 final tunned ou virtua Fighter 4 evolution x virtua Fighter 4 aniversary (aquele com os gráficos do vf1)
I probably would have been pissed If I got the original and they came out with th remix shortly after.
Very good 😃
Funny thing is I didn't own a Sega Saturn as a kid even though I wanted it and for some reason the left side is how I remember Virtue Fighter looking but I don't know how I have that memory because I don't remember playing the game and I only briefly had an encounter with a Sega Saturn in my youth at a house with this kid I played baseball with. BTW, the graphics on the right look like it's trying to compete against Tekken 1 for the ps1. It might even beat Tekken 1 in graphics but it definitely doesn't beat Tekken 2 and Tekken 3. I remember those two ps1 fighters having really good graphics for the time period.
Virtua Fighter 2 looks far better than Tekken 2 and Virtua Fighter 3 blows away Tekken 3 graphically.
Sei que Lau foi baseado no Tao Pai Pai, mas no original é praticamente a arte do Toriyama colada! XD
Remix looks good but the original is cleaner and soft and you can see the difference in fps value for the remix version that looks so heavy in movements that's why I prefer the original one that has less details and it's not polluted like the remix version
Lau é pai da Pai e parece com Tao Pai Pai (DB).
Vf1 poly version isn't bad at all. Better then the 32x one. Also consider the difference in hardware between arcade and even saturn. Different machines. The arcade machine was a beast.
Lau looks a lot like Mercenary Tao from Dragonball. Or perhaps Mercenary Tao looks a lot like Lau?
as someone who's never played either and who's looking at this for the 1st time, objectively speaking the remix is better(colors and details). but although you would think why would anybody prefer the older version?, there seems to be this phenomenon, where the memories behind the older version gives people who have played it just give them an odd preference to it (yes i know its called nostalgia, it's still the darnest thing about ppl 😂)
I do like the new style. Very informative. Yeah I agree about the original version. It gives the impression that your wasting your money on a under performing gaming console. I doubt a lot of people had the arcade at home experience on their mind at the time. The mentality was this should be SEGA's cutting edge new system. Also Tekken coming to North America on the Playstation in November 1995 didn't help either.
You know I like both of them but I prefer the older one. The first VF was a huge deal. They really were going for the Virtual Reality look and feel minus the headset.
I am still shocked that Sega had 6 months after the Japanese launch to continue working on the original Virtua Fighter and didn't even fix the bugs and a full remake in Remix came out just months later!
I had no idea the remix was so superior. Why didn t sega also made a remix of house of the dead like that on saturn ?
Because the Saturn was dead to Sega by the time House of the dead came out, it was all about moving to the Dreamcast.
There was nothing to remix with house of the dead. What it did was about the best that the saturn could do at the time.
When i see the npc model are superior to the zombies, when i see vf remix , when i see vf 2 in 640*480, there were things to do.
i wonder if there is a realistic ultimate mod version which might be for pc is it kinda different than both remix version and original version from 1994?
Jamás se tendrís que haber lanzado el virtua fighter sin terminar, sega quedó en ridículo, si hubiera esperado y lanzado el remix como original otro gallo hubiera cantado.
I kept Remix only for the bonus disc. I appreciated the upgrade, but I loved the arcade original, so the vanilla version is my go to.
parece bem clara a melhora gráfica da versão remix, mas se for ver as perdas tipo, remoção dos pontos de luz e sombra sem transparência por exemplo... dá pra ver que essa melhora teve consequências.