Was Sato Bad at Karate?
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Was Sato (from Karate Kid Part II) an overrated fighter and a fake karate master? Ken reassesses Sato's No. 1 ranking after carefully reviewing new evidence. We never see Sato fight, Mr. Miyagi laughs at the thought of fighting Sato, Sato's dojo poster contains falsehoods, Sato's karate students are really bad, and Miyagi says Daniel LaRusso could block Sato's punch. Ken then elevates Terry Silver to No. 1 sensei villain fighter and places Sato below John Kreese. This video is sponsored by Dyantox.
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Sato Toguchi (played by Danny Kamekona in Karate Kid Part II) was Mr. Miyagi's (played by Pat Morita) best friend before Miyagi stole his fiance and Sato challenged him to a death match. Miyagi fled Okinawa but Sato still wanted revenge. Sato trained his nephew Chozen (Yuji Okumoto) who eventually challenge dDaniel LaRusso (Ralph Macchio) to a deathmatch.
0:00 Intro
0:57 A Message from Dynatox
1:11 Reason for Sato and Terry Silver Reassessment
1:34 Sato's Story
2:34 We Never See Sato Fight
3:04 Karate Not in Sato's DNA
4:02 Miyagi's Dilemma
4:50 Sato's Poster is a Lie
6:07 Sato's Dojo is Bad
7:12 Sato's Bad Punch
8:15 Was Miyagi Afraid to Die?
8:34 Trashing Miyagi's Dojo and Breaking Ice
9:01 Was Chozen that Great?
9:33 New Rankings
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I already made a very lengthy comment in your first rankings video, and I put Sato in "theoretical" first place, and I put Silver first for skills we actually seen. Many of the reasons I stated in that comment were addressed here in this video, so no need for me to address them again.
Here are a few points to "defend" Sato...
1. Miyagi handled Sato's aggression pretty much the same as he handled everybody else who challenged him. It was a Miyagi character trait. Avoid the fight... Show no fear... Let them attack first...etc.
2. The quiet, mysterious ones are often the biggest threat. You just NEVER know what skills they might be packing... I am giving Sato the benefit if the doubt that he might have pulled some kind of weapon on Miyagi.
3. Miyagi Making his last will and testament and giving them to Daniel? Just a precaution. Miyagi knew SOMEBODY had to lose, and did not want to risk death without his affairs being in order. You could say he knew that ANYBODY can get in a "lucky" shot.
4. How would Miyagi have known what other skills Sato may have picked up after Miyagi left, or Sato knowing what Miyagi learned for that matter. Sato likely continued training under Miyagi's father, while Miyagi had to find his own path. Sato DID give clues of his skills, such as the beam of wood, but nothing conclusive. Breaking a beam is different from breaking a body, after all.
Ken Is clearly on Terry's payroll, but I like that, I like that
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's very funny!
Fr like Terry is cool and all but it seems like Ken is kinda biased towards him.
@@Snow-pi7cd I am too :))))
Just have to be fair to all parties...
My theory on Sato is that he was formidable (though still far below Miyagi's level) in his prime, but that by the time we see him in Karate Kid II, he's developed a severe case of arthritis and some other health issues, and can no longer do very much physically. He thus bases his reputation on past accomplishments, some of them real, some exaggerated.
Very interesting!
Yes good point. I always thought Sato was an average skilled fighter and sensei to Chozen, and overhyping his reputation for good business. And Miyagi just didn't want to hurt him because they were great friends.
Head cannon
I disagree. Sato may have been less talented than Miyagi, but he was still better than Silver. He taught for 40 years, in the time of the 2nd movie. Let's say he started at 10, 40 years means he's 50. Terry was younger. Terry started to learn martial arts, only when he was in the military, which means Sato had more experience than Terry. I don't think that in Okinawa, where they take martial arts very seriously, you can be a fake black belt, they would not allow it to happen. Sato was probably 1st Dan in Goju-Ryu, so I anyone ask he can show a certificate. Also Chozen is very skillful, who taught him how to be skillful? That's right- Sato. Sorry my friend, that's my counter points to your points, but I can't say the points are not good. Very interesting video.
I’ve read that Japanese Karate doesn’t have belts like we have in the States. The belts were made for tournaments here in the US.
This theory dies with Chozen, Chozen skills are too great, it could only mean that Chozen had a good Sensei, and you can't just teach Chozen his skills with just knowledge, you must also be good at Karate, and this video is clearly a joke, Mr Miyagi just wanted to teach Daniel estate planning? it was nice at the start but the longer it went, it just sounded more absurd. This video or (ABUSRD) theory is clearly the case of recency bias.
@@goodsoup8410 absurd but miyagi said daniel could block the punch from sato and sato could not break the board but miyagi did i think ur a troll comment
@@prodigy7051 being able to block a punch doesn't necessary means that he would survive a fight, It it just one simple "krees like" punch.
Either way my theory is simply that the actor cbf with learning karate or it was in his contract that he won't be fighting at all.
Sato is ment to be as strong or almost as strong as miyagi. That is what story tells.
If you can simply destroy someone in karate w/o killing him because you are that much better then you simply do it and you don't throw your current life and love away.
Look at how it worked out for chozen after fight vs daniel in kobra kai.
Also regarding chozen... Daniel got pummeled for entire movie and won in the end because he has plot armor :P
@@MrPierdolification yeah thanks for pointing the plot armor too! this theory dies with the plot armor too, irl Daniel would get beat up by Chozen.
I don’t think that Sato was bad at karate, but he wasn’t on Mr Miyagi’s level and likely wasn’t as a young man either. To me he seems like a “teach only sensei” who was very skilled at one time but doesn’t practice enough to stay at a high level.
This is a good point.
I feel the same way as well. Mr. Miyagi is way above Sato . After all it's a genetic thing from father to son .
Though Terry silver getting the number 1 post will have to be proven when he finally meets Chozen in cobra Kai season 5
@@olusegun.b.olofin5278 Miyagi and sato were set up as equals and learned the same style from the same person.I don't see why miyagi would be way ahead of sato (If he even is ahead). Let alone be able to beat him as effortlessly and easy as he beat Terry silver
@@mightguy3118 Mr Miyagi is older than Terry and he learnt his martial arts from his father while Silver learnt his from a Korean master during his time in the army . Miyagi is far above Silver a 100 times. Silver is not in Miyagi'level at all . Before Silver was ever born Miyagi fought WW1 and earned a medal of honour which Silver is not In that level at all.
For Sato one thing is clear, he isn't in Miyagi's level for the fact hat both him and Miyagi learnt from the same person . It was His nephew chozen who had a knack for the skills .
@@olusegun.b.olofin5278 Miyagi fought in WW2 not WW1, lol, he wasn't that old!!
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I like that, I like that!
Dynatox is a great organization and never wants to push any agendas. A great sponsor.
@@KenColelol
I really wish they did flashbacks in Cobra Kai of a young Miyagi and a young Sato to show how great they were in their youth then we could see how skilled Sato really was
On the topic of "tongue in cheek" ways Miyagi kept making fun of Sato one thing Ken forgot to mention is when they had just arrived and Daniel saw the poster with the picture of Sato breaking a tree (which it turns out he faked since he could not break the wood later in the movie) and Daniel, believing it was amazed and asked Miyagi if he could do that and Miyagi said "I don't know, I have never been attacked by a tree".
This confirms that Mr Miyagi has never fought against Poison Ivy nor the Swamp Thing
Myagi vs Groot....
Miyagi was not making fun of Sato's skill. He was making fun of the idea of "emphasizing strength" as a karate skill. He says later that it doesn't matter who's stronger, only smarter.
Assuming he was _trying_ to break the piece of wood later on in the movie.
Miyagis line when he's like you get house and pick up back home gets me everytime
Sato was not trying to break the wood. You conveniently forgot to mention that Miyagi and Sato found that wood as kids. Miyagi says that. Look at its placement in the structure housing it. It's permanent. It's not meant to be broken. It has a special nostalgic meaning.
Exactly
I think at the time of KK2 Sato was not on Miyagi's level, but after the events of the film he likely re-dedicated himself to his training. Whether he ever equaled Miyagi we will never know, but he did help transform Chozen into the master he has become as of Cobra Kai.
It even Clear When Sato said to Chozen he was dead to him to me this was not for not doing anything to Help but finally seeing the harm of his Actions as He wanted Chozen to keep away from Him Now seeing the Monster he became and Not wanting to see Chozen become something like him now seeing what he turn Chozen into
What a refreshing take on the events in Karate Kid II! Another great video, Ken! Thanks for sharing 😊👍
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for watching!
I really do think Sato is a top tier sensei. He trained under Miyagis father and still clearly has respect for him. I believe he has all the techniques that Miyagi does but a lot of it is hindered by the anger he has for his best friend.
I think he would lose badly to Miyagi but he beats almost anyone else in this fictional universe. I think not showing him fighting much could be because the actor was not that skilled but I think the story means for him to be one tier level below Miyagi which hardly "sucks" considering how awesome Miyagi is.
@@Zurround well Miyagi is god
Yeah if he was really bad at karate he wouldve left miyaig father ages ago
Like the way that Johnny lost to Daniel because his mind was clouded by aggression.
@@Zurround Pat Morita who played Miyagi was not skilled in the martial arts and they show him fight in several scenes, of course in most or all of those scenes they use a stunt double.
I laughed when he said he was same level with general Dugan.😂
General Dugan was obviously trained by Chosen and Sato - who was really bad at Karate!
He's lower than Dugan cause he hasn't proven he can fight Dugan atleast proved his skill
Yea we never saw Sato actually fight anybody
I never thought of it this way, awesome analysis and breakdown dude. But how much is terry paying you?🤣
Thanks and oh, I don't do it for money. Someone like Terry Silver wouldn't pay anyone off or anything like that. 😅
Sato would've killed Miyagi in KK2. He was still actively training people... Miyagi was planting bonsais.
Miyagi was also actively training.
But Sato can't even break a chopstick :(
Sato wasn't trying to break the beam. The beam is locked into the pillars and is used as a striking post to increase bone density, toughen the hands and condition yourself to the endure the pain of repeated impacts. It's one of many hand conditioning exercises found in traditional Karate. Some Karate schools even practice this by striking their hands and arms against the support beams that brace the ceiling. It's no different that striking makiwara to condition the hands and arms. My experience? 30 years in martial arts, 5 black belts and I own a martial arts studio. No, Sato isn't bad at Karate.
I don’t think sato is bad at karate per say but I do think he is heavily overrated. Although with striking the beam I do agree that it was simply to condition his hand to make it stronger
100% as a kid we did that type of training all of the time.
I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. Just because Mr. Miyagi knew he was superior and would “easily” beat Soto. Doesn’t mean Soto is overrated and “sucks”. It has already been said that Mr. Miyagi was the strongest in the Karate Kid Universe. You can’t train for 40 yrs if you suck and are bad. For Chozen to be as good as he is, Soto has to be somewhat good at fighting. Yeah it weird that we never see Soto fight but we never saw Mr. Miyagi’s dad fight. I believe Soto is #1 over Silver.
mr miyagis dad was already dead at that point u think a walking corpse can do karate
are your serious
Its nice that you listened to those "important people" and reconsidered your assessment. Glad to know that you are able to get sponsorship from Dynatox. Now you can have the most impartial videos on Karate Kid and Cobra Kai.
i think that Sato was concerned more with becoming rich than having time being a sensei!!
Honestly, I never imagined the idea of Sato being a bad fighter, but I agree with your points there.
Ya silver is better
Great video. We need the analyses for CK season 4 please!! You’re the best!
Sato taught Chozen everything he knows now. Never underestimate Sato!
Sato was willing to fight Miyagi on the spot so he must be very good or else Miyagi could kill him. He wouldn't challenge him unless he had a great chance at winning. In fact he may have been more active in Karate over the years than Miyagi. Did Miyagi still practice Karate right up until he met Daniel? Enough to win a death match??
Don't forget "WimpLow" also went out of his way to fight everyone. Most gave him a good beating but wouldn't kill him because he was purposely trained wrong as a joke. Poor Wimplow.
That don’t mean much since Charlie Zelenoff would fight Tyson on the spot too.
@@lancer737 Chosen One!...I'm coming!
@@DirtMaguirk HA-HA-HA-HA you will now refer to me by the name "Betty" now for a joke... What do you get when cross an Owl with a Bungee-cord? My Ass HA-HA-HA-HA! Your CLOTHS ARE RED!
I think Mr Miyagi trained in Karate every day.
Well made video, didn't realize that Karate Kid 2 had such attention to detail.
Interesting ideas! But as we all know, Dynatox has recently launched a PR offensive against Sato Industries for control of toxic waste dumping in Asia and is trying to do everything possible to make its rival look bad...even to the point of smearing its rival's karate skills. I wonder how much of this video was Ken's idea, and how much was the Big T's editorial oversight?
How do you know all of this?? 😱
This is some top notch detective work here. Amazing video as always Ken.
Thank you Drew!
BRILLIANT, Ken!!! Just shared on Twitter. This is a genius theory-video! 🙏🤗❤️
Thank you Christian, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Ken, you're so talented at making videos like these. I love the way you notice details which other people don't, and add them up to create your own theories. You do that so well - regardless if I agree or disagree with your overall point in the end.
And in this case, I would disagree. First, I think Miyagi-Do Karate at it's best is clearly more powerful than Cobra Kai at it's best. And I think that as Sato and Miyagi learned as kids together, Miyagi was only slightly better (hence, he could break the log, which Sato could not). But with a little luck going the wrong way, Sato could have beaten Miyagi. And Miyagi realized this. That's why Miyagi left for the USA (he knew either one could die - and wished that upon neither), and why he was preparing for the possibility of death after he finally agreed to fight Sato.
If Sato ever fought Silver (in a fair fight), then I doubt it would have looked very different than when Miyagi fought Silver.
Thank you very much for your kind words and you bring up excellent points!
Can we be on the fact that myagi said that even Daniel could block a punch from sato
Lol I have to say Ken, this is the funniest video you have done so far and I love it! Yes you make wonderful points because as the saying goes "seeing is believing" and we never saw Sato in combat and never will. Fair enough from one Terry Silver fan to another, you have put him at the top and if Cobra Cole is anything to go by, could we see you, Ken Cole in the next season or seasons or Cobra Kai because you know what Terry said to John Kreese as he was being arrested, that he knew a few people to help him with Cobra Kai whilst he was sorting out his legal problems, well it makes Sense and for one would love to see it. Still, thanks for everything you do Ken with all your videos and your passion for Karate Kid and Cobra Kai are second to none. I look forward to the next one.
Thanks so much Freddy for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching.
Love ur channel keep up good work
You played it just right
No one suspects a thing
The money will be in your account tomorrow
Thank you Mr. Silver. WAIT! I mean...
Great video but my only critique would be about your point of the wood he was hitting. It’s an actual training tool karate practitioners use and the goal isn’t to break but to condition your hand and make the bones in your body stronger.
" A man trained by Sato...He can't fight"
I guess that's why Chozen lost to Terry Silver by a cheap shot move in Cobra Kai season 5 after "technically" winning the fight
@@dynastywarriorlord07 The reason why he lost was because he got distracted by Johnny's voice. As Kresse and capitain Turner said "You lose concentration in a fight you are dead meat".
Sato was not striking the wood to condition his hand nor was he striking it to break it. He was striking it to start the hurricane that happened at the end of the film so that he would have plausible deniability if something happened to Mr Miyagi during the storm.
It was a typhoon.
(basically the same thing but with a subtle difference)
If Sato was a fraud, why would Chozen still speak highly of Sato in Cobra Kai S3? If Sato was a fraud, doubtful Chozen would show him much respect. I also don't think Chozen would have become as highly skilled if Sato was a fraud. No way would the US military let Sato train them for 40 years if he was a fraud. He wouldn't have made it 40 days, let alone 40 years. The only real debate is was he Miyagi's equal or superior and that we don't know for sure, but I assume the answer is no.
Sato was running a McDojo in Okinawa.
Great theory. You always have an interesting perspective Ken!
Thank you!
Really interesting perspective. Personally if we went with this theory I would suggest that Miyagi wrote his will in the expectation that Sato may fight dirty; whilst honour is a huge thing, you’ve rightly pointed out that Sato let Chozen do a lot of the damage with his cronies and may well have expected them to step in if things weren’t going his way. I’m still leaning towards Sato being good at karate, and I’m not sure he’d have been practicing still in private if he wasn’t any good, but it would have been nice to see some karate from him. This video has given me a lot to think about (as most of your videos do). Keep up the great work
Thank you very much!
I think the will was a "probability scale" decision. If you have 2 perfectly even matched fighters its 50/50. If one is a little better than the other it might be 52 to 48. In a fight to the death a loss is almost certainly death. The only way Sato could win and NOT kill Miyagi (I doubt he would have shown mercy) would be if the fight ran on for so long and he took so much damage that by the time he wins he is too exhausted to finish Miyagi.
So for example if its 90,10 in favor of Miyagi that is a pretty big advantage but it also means he has a 1 in ten chance of losing = death. Even if its 95, 5 in Miyagi's favor he has a 1 in 20 chance of death. Even if the odds are in his favor the chance of losing would still be enough to have a will made out just in case. Against Kreese and Silver and Barnes there is no need, its probably on a par with the chance of getting killed in a car accident taking one trip on a country road during nice weather.
Great video
This is blowing my mind since when I saw this movie as a kid I actually was thinking the same thing and it was all hype publicity! I really thought this watching the movie the 1st time. I had noticed the poster and the difference in the log thickness and was waiting for you to bring that part up!
Thanks for the comment and that’s great that you caught it so quickly as a kid!
Your channel is SO great. I wish it got more attention.
Wow, thank you!
The fact that Silver can wound Chozen with a katana tells me he is well versed in many disciplines not just karate. He has the money and resources to train under the best masters around the world.
That's with weapons though. Hand to hand, Chozen stomps Silver I mean why do you think Silver grabbed a weapon? He knew he was outmatched. 😂
@@josephdennis-h8c old man Chozen might be the most powerful fighter hand to hand in all of the Myagi Verse
It really changes my whole perspective of the movie, great video!
Thank you!
You might be right. I think the reason Sato has been talked about reverently until now is because he taught Chozen, who at this point is probably the best all-around fighter. Sato might have known the Miyagi-do techniques very well and could teach them decently enough but just couldn't apply them himself nearly as well as Miyagi in actual combat. So he passed the techniques on to Chozen, who like you said is more naturally gifted, and Chozen in a way just kind of "took the ball and ran with it" to be better than his uncle at karate.
While Sato may not have been the greatest at karate I have a feeling his business success might come into play in season 5. Hopefully he also taught Chozen everything he knew about business because that could be what gives them a chance against Silver and his seemingly unlimited resources.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts - great comment!
Sato’s poster at the airport about teaching the US Military still leads me to believe he may have come across Kreese or Silver down the years…
I doubt it season 3 confirmed cobra Kai karate style if tang so do and miyagi do is one the Okinawan styles
Silver and Kreese may have modified the style over time.
@@cherechesalexdaniel811 the kreese flashback confirmed of captain turner was their master was kimsunsung of South Korea
@@awabbelghith2885 Yes i know but we only know a few details about what happened after. So maybe Kreese and Silver went to south korea after the war to learn from Master Kim. But hay its just a theory.
@@cherechesalexdaniel811 silver said to mr. miyagi that he was trained under a master named kim sung-yang so you have a point about that.
Perhaps the REAL reason we never see Sato fight is simply because Danny Kamekona is not a martial artist and seeing his character fight was not necessary to the story. As far as the "character" not being a good martial artist, I think his reputation would have long since spiraled downward if this had been the case. Also, I would have serious doubts as to his ability to teach martial arts to both the military and to his very own nephew if his own skills were lackluster. Finally, when Daniel asks Miyagi if Sato was any good, Miyagi does not say anything to the contrary.
You brought up some really good points. I thought this video would be a joke but even i am now convinced. Nice video man.
Thank you!
I would say that since Mr. Miyagi and Sato supposedly learned Goju Ryu meaning Hard/Soft School, Mr. Miyagi's father only taught one half of Goju Ryu's curriculum to Mr. Miyagi and Sato selectively to prevent them from being able to end each other if they were to have a duel.
Please make a video discussing if the old cobras of cobra Kai or the new cobra Kai roster would win!?
Right before Yuki told Miyagi that his father was dying, Sato spent several seconds announcing that punch, even a white belt could have blocked it. This probably indicates poor fighting skills, he was unable to break that beam while Miyagi broke it easily. It’s clear that Sato didn’t have a chance against Miyagi. It still remains to be seen if Terry Silver and John Kreese are better fighters than him. Let’s not forget that Thomas Ian Griffin is the best martial artist acting in the Karate Kid / Cobra Kai saga.
That's a good point - what did Sato think was going to happen with that punch?
@@KenCole maybe Sato was expecting Miyagi to stand still and do nothing and then drop dead when the punch finally got to him. Besides, why did Sato had to wait for Miyagi to agree to fight? Why couldn’t he just find him and start the fight?
@@franciscoramirezespanagarc7974 That is not how a duel works in that culture. The fight is about HONOR and BOTH killing AND scoring a moral victory over your opponent. Attacking an opponent like Silver did to Johnny means he could (maybe) kill Miyagi but there would be no honor in it. It was more a misplaced sense of honor that he was trying to restore than a desire to kill Miyagi. It shows how honorable a man he was that he forced his nephew Chozen to pay up when he lost the ice breaking bet fair and square. Sato HATED having to lose a bet to Miyagi (through his student Daniel).
@@Zurround you’re right
He wasn't trying to break it 💀 sato was practicing.Also they were set up as equals and being able to block one hit doesn't mean Miyagi Is far ahead sato
Thank you Ken Cole! This is enlightening, and seeing your point of view, we realize that Sato is really bad at Karate!
😆 You're welcome!
Great video! Finally I can back up all my Terry Silver claims! Cobra Kai Never Dies!
Haha, I'm here to help!
Ken your brain power and how you connected the puzzles is genius you should be a writer for cobra Kai as well
Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Chosen did make a lot of progress between KKII and CK, though that might've been from the scrolls he got access to.
hey ken i dont mean to beg but where is the cobra kai episode reviews since there is only episode one and it has been a few weeks since it came out
Thank you for asking! They’re coming, hopefully next one this week.
Just because Sato was from a wealthy family that in itself doesn't mean he was a bad fighter. Terry Silver was wealthy too. And there's no evidence that Terry came from a family of fighters either. In Cobra Kai season 4 during a flashback scene it's shown that Terry's family wanted him to get into business rather than become a sensei
This is a really great point. Terry might say that he was the rare case of a rich kid with incredible natural fighting ability and intelligence.
Brilliant analysis Ken
Thank you!
When Miyagi said that even Daniel could block a punch thrown by Sato, that was where your argument was really solidified.
Its could be a reference to the Punch he was about to do, don't forget Terry has a kick move that is pointed out by his Best Friend in Karate Kid 3, as being a very advertisable. Very strong attacks can be very advertisable.
It could also mean that Mr Miyagi Daniel well that he knew Daniel could block it.
I would say more likely to dodge it:"Best defense-don't be there.
I agree that Sato could not have beaten Miyagi but that is like saying a Jedi or Sith sucks because they cannot beat Yoda. And even if he "sucks" as Ken says it would only be "sucking" by martial arts master standards. Even if he loses to Miyagi and Silver (I still say he beats silver) and maybe loses to the man who trained Kreese and Silver he is still beating up 99.999 percent of the people on the planet. I sure as hell would not mess with him.
Maybe the ACTOR is not a good fighter so he did no fighting scenes but I think story continuity was implying that he was second only to Miyagi and a few other people (like Miyagi's father and Kreese's sensei).
Is ken writing the back story for the mythlogy of miyagi do hoping the writers take notice and use his ideaa for future seasons...
Perhaps, Cobra Kai and/or offshoot series will help clarify this point eventually.
In Cobra Kai season 5, Chozen revealed to Daniel that Sato had a rivalry with Kim Sun Yung, the founder of Tang Soo Do. The precursor to Cobra Kai karate which Kreese and Silver fully learned after the Vietnam war Master Kim himself. So if Sato and Kim Sun Yung had beef with each other, Sato would have been close to Mr Miyagis level i think.
Awesome video! You got me to laugh out loud! In all seriousness there were some legit points brought up. I find it hard to believe Miyagi and his father wouldn't have been able to train Sato into being a decent fighter with years of training, but could train Daniel to win a tournament against far more experienced fighters in a couple weeks. Miyagi completely outclassed Terry and given the evidence I think it's clear he outclassed Sato. Now I will say this. Sato who knows Miyagi well had confidence he could win despite knowing and I'm assuming sparred against him often. Maybe he was delusional, but you wouldn't think he would be so adamant for years that he could win. I think Miyagi saying Daniel could block Sato's punch was more of him criticizing Sato for attempting such an obvious and straightforward attack. I think its likely Sato's anger made him a worse fighter since Miyagi-do is all about defense. I think Sato crushes Krease. Honestly, I think him and Terry are in the same tier. I'll give the slight edge to Sato. I think Chozen vs Terry in season 5 is pretty close to how it would have gone down between Sato and Silver.
Great points!
In reality, karate was practiced by all the upper class families in Okinawa. There is no way Miyagi would be a simple fisherman. Sato coming from a wealther background would have more access. He could have trained from other masters as well as was tradition. Sato's family could have descended from upper class and been archery etc...Gichin Funakoshi's master was upper class as was he. His master was karate, archery, kendo etc..
If only we could have seen him fight.
While I am glad that Sato & Miyagi reconciled, I would have liked to see them fight, to see if Sato was really all that skilled. He gave off an intimidating presence. But all we have seen him do was strike a log from a tree. As Bruce Lee said in "Enter the Dragon"... "Boards don't hit back"
But where did Chosen get his mastery from then?
Great stuff as always, Ken. I always thought Sato was lame, and this just confirms it. Anyway, as we know, any list that doesn’t rank Silver as #1 is absolute blasphemy!!! 🤣
I never really thought of Sato being the best fighter.
I don’t think so,I will have to give it to Terry Silver.The man is dangerous because of his Karate Skills,he is mentally unstable and very wealth!
If Sato is bad on karate then how he dares to challenge Miyagi in fight to death?
A couple of explanations might be that he feels he has to challenge Miyagi to save his honor regardless of whether he lives or dies, or that he doesn't know how bad he is.
Bro they should 100% make a spin off series of Mr myigai early days after cobra kai maybe even learn the full history of it
Would love to see this.
One thing I need to mention is that fact that in any Martial Arts training, you have to be taught physically and Mentally. Trust me, I was a black belt when I did Taekwondo, and I am pretty sure this applies to all Martial Arts. Chozen is the strongest villain in the KK franchize and It's because he learned Miyagi-do and had years of training because of Sato. But that is just my opinion. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
Thank you!
Chozen was good as a fighter but he is blinded by his rage like his uncle Sato. I think that's why he lost o Daniel in plus we saw in cobra kai season 5 he do shortcuts duringhis training.
It can be that Chozen tells dainel about sato and there comes some flashbacks form sato fighting in cobra kai season 5
I like that idea.
Would love to see it.
Cole, I have to agree with you. The evidence is clear, but what if a prime Sato were to fight Terry Sliver? Could the outcome be any different if Sato had both the mind and the young body to be a beast of a karate master. Maybe his skills in his prime were better that in his old age? It’s just a possibility though.
In his prime anything's possible, except if he was always bad at karate 😉
I hope we get a flashback in s5 abt a younger miyagi and sato sparring or something
dint the flash back in kobra kai from chozen show his uncle training students with the sand and chozen used a pillow to try and cheese his way thought the lesson?
So HE needs you to make a video ranting on Sato... I guess some Big T is afraid of Choz... I mean, Okinawean karate for some reason...
Haha great video Ken, It's a crazy idea, but you gave me an unknown vision of Sato, which I appreciate as a Karate Kid/Cobra Kai fan.
Thank you! And the Big T will definitely never admit to being afraid of anything 😉
sato is not at full potential at the point of "the weak punch" is because he is blinded by anger and hatred
How he completed Chozen?
It's always been in the back of my mind for decades how Miyagi constantly downplayed and "snickered at" Sato's Karate ability....thanks for bringing it to light and sharing this theory that I've always had as well...lol
There are definitely a lot of signs if you look for them.
@@KenCole Well. Pat Morita was a comedian after all. Wonderin how much influence he had over karate kid 2 after karate kid 1 success. Don't forget that karate kid 2 literally starts with a "joke chop" on kreese and it has way more humour than part 1.
@@MrPierdolification that’s a very interesting point.
Haha I loved this video even if I didn't agree with your conclusion. I think your first assessment was accurate with Sato only behind Miyagi in ability. I just think Miyagi-Do is an overall better style than Cobra Kai with it's deadly ancient secrets used for generations in real life and death battles.
Sato is no coward either and is obviously prepared to fight Miyagi to the death, a step I don't think Silver would be prepared to take if he thought he might lose.
I think what makes Terry Silver the most dangerous villain in the Karate Kid universe is not his fighting skill (though this is formidable), it's his manipulative skills and resources. I think Rambo once said 'I've always believed that the mind is the best weapon', and Terry Silver knows this to be true too.
Mark my words, Silver is going wage a psychological war against Daniel and Chozen once he realises he can't win a physical confrontation. If Chozen has one weakness it's going to be his code of honour, and if anyone can exploit this it's Terry Silver.
I think Miyagi had every intention of throwing the match and allowing Sato to kill him as one last gift to his old friend. He didn't want to kill anyone, and letting him go with a honk would only humiliate him further and make matters worse. This way, Sato would get his honor back, and Miyagi would make up for his "cowardice" in running away in the first place.
Wow that would be quite something for Miyagi to do! I'm glad Miyagi got to stick around.
I agree. Miyagi wasn't about to kill anyone. And he was honorable enough to die for his principles.
Yeah that's what also I thought when ge gave Daniel his last will and testament.
Interesting exercise in reasoning, but ultimately we'll never know. This is mostly just a bunch of supposition combined with cherry-picked imagery from the movies which buttresses your argument.
This is actually a great analysis. I was always sceptical about Sato because we never saw him do anything and it was always Miyagi doing stuff. I also love how you pointed out the training scene with Chozen, looked a bit slow from the soldiers like those fake martial arts videos. Chozen is Sato's NEPHEW, which has to say something when it comes to the 'karate gene'.
I like to believe that Miyagi's style is fuelled by love, faith and mercy which overcomes anger and cruelty (I'm mostly going by my biblical beliefs) which is why Chozen (and the Cobra Kai) lost to Daniel even though he had little experience in comparison. It's why something as simple as the Crane Kick was turned into something significant.
Thank you so much and I think you're right about Miyagi, Chozen and Sato!
@@KenCole I’m very flattered.
The reason why Johnny lost the fight is because he wasn't focused when he was fighting with Daniel and the reason why Chozen lost to Daniel is because Daniel had something to fight for while Chozen was fighting against in plu we saw in cobra kai season 5 flashback that Chozen do shortcuts during his training in plus he was blinded by his rage maybe that's he lost to Daniel.
Holy sheet! You’ve opened my eyes. Great stuff. So Sato just took over with him out the way. If he had stayed and not messed with Sato’s girl. He could’ve been Sato. And the island and the American troops would’ve been better off. He should’ve fought and not left a power vacuum on the island. Kinda like danny boy and what the Cobra Kai are doing. It’s a lesson
Okinawa might be a very different place today if Miyagi stayed.
I also noticed one thing after. After Miyagi and Sato made peace when Sato was bowing he didn't do saw Miyagi's eyes while Miyagi did. And Miyagi told Daniel that he should always look in the eyes. Even Chozen saw Daniel's eyes before he sparred with Daniel in cobra kai season 3.
that was a very well reasoned argument.
Thank you!
Also, modern Okinawan Karate tournaments only have Kata competitions, meaning they don't have matches. Some schools in Goju Ryu and Uechi Ryu have sparring and Wado Ryu, Shito Ryu, and Shorin Ryu have less sparring. Also, Mr. Miyagi's father could have selectively taught him how to fight and would not have taught Sato since Sato had a bad temper and wasn't his son.
Karate's DNA have nothing to do with karate's skill at all. Daniel doesn't have karate's DNA but he is very good at karate. And the reason why Chozen lost to Daniel is because of the drum tecnique in plus in cobra kai Chozen has defeats Daniel by Miyagi's pressure point.
Those are some fair points 😀
Thanks Ken. While I would not call Sato a bad fighter (because of a lack of evidence) you have some convincing thoughts to at least call him overrated or far inferior to Miyagi. Speaking of overrated: Do we really have enough evidence to say that Silver is the best fighter? We know zero about him fighting in tournaments so far and Kreese was kind of his mentor/idol and a two-time army champ. Maybe season 5 shows a bit of Silver's fighting history but so far I would say that, in his prime, Kreese is the best fighter from Cobra Kai.
In his prime, you may be right. I did do a video on the villain senseis during the 80s/90s ua-cam.com/video/MmrTRA9y5cw/v-deo.html
I had initially figured Miyagi saying even Daniel could block Sato's punch was about that specific punch and how telegraphed it was.
Though, Sato being a capable teacher, but bad at the actual application of Karate is an interesting idea.
Ok, I'll admit that a lot of what you say makes sense. I myself have always noted the almost identical dimensions of the Satos beam of wood and the one that Mr Myagi breaks.
But, if Sato really does suck as much as you say, then how could Chozen have gotten as good as he is without Satos help, and still respect Sato as much as he does?
Maybe because Sato knew the techniques and despite not being able to perform as well, he could teach a talented young fighter, who respects him because he helped him during his depression.
It makes to sense to say that Sato was bad at Karate while at the same time being able to instruct Chozen, who was actually very good at it. Where did Chozen get his skills from? He got them from Sato. Perhaps Miyagi was better at Karate than Sato, just like he was better than Kreese and everybody else in the franchise, but that doesn't make Sato bad at Karate. It just doesn't make sense.
Next Video: Dugan is better than Kreese or what
7:14 in the next karate kid mr miyagi also stood still when a he was getting shot at with an arrow going probably over 100 mph lol
you are on to something here fella!
Nice detective work... "Even you could have". How on earth did I miss all these points?!
I know, the clues were there the whole time! 😀
@@KenCole They really were. Credit to the writers I suppose if that's the subtle message they were giving us all along. Went straight over my head sadly! Until NOW!
8:02 Yes Daniel-san could have blocked it since "master" Sato telegraphed it from a mile away.
Johnny was a much better fighter and Daniel blocked most of Johnny's punches with his face.
Sato ran a McDojo