Coiltek Elite Mono - 11" 14" 17x11" Target Comparison Last Test With Gold - GPX4500
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Hi UA-camrs, in this video is a basic comparison target test between the 11" - 14" and 17x11" Coiltek Elites Mono's - Showing why its important to have multiple coils depending on the size of targets.
I didnt want to go through too many settings so I have chosen to run the comparison test on 3 settings, just for argument sake so we can see all coils at these basic setting adjustments.
1. Enhance Factory preset
2. Enhance Boosted RX
3. Normal General
There are 2 smaller targets
Second Line is a target the same size - at various depths 150mm 170mm 190mm 200mm and 230mm Depths
The last test target is a piece of Gold 7.86 grams.
Hopefully this will provide an insight into what is achievable based on a few adjustments.
I would be very interested in testing the 14" against the 17x11" on 1 ounce or 2 ounce gold at depths. Based on these tests the 17x11 should see the larger gold deeper than the 14"
I was surprised on some things in this test. But some target responses were as expected.
I hope someone gets some value out of this test.
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Thanks, MG for the really comprehensive demonstration on the 4500. You've gone to a lot of trouble to help all us armchair YTbers improve our setting choices. Big thumbs up here mate.Well worth watching.
Thanks so much Trev - always a pleasure. Enjoy your next adventure out. ;)
Cant beleive i hadnt seen this one till now, i have to stop watching your channel its 1am again lol.
Brilliant comparison
Ah thanks mate. Thats an old one - but glad you watched.
Hah nice work 1:00am - Its all good hope you dont stop watching. Haha ;)
Enjoy your weekend. M.G
Hi MG, Watched this vid 2 times now, Fantastic work!!! I wanted to try and get my head around the subtle changes you made with miraculous results!! Its a bit scary how such a little thing like changing from enhanced to normal makes!! And as for factory settings, I try and manipulate my gpz but as I am in "learning" stage with it I don't know if I'm helping or hindering myself!! So much to learn still for me but THANKYOU for all your help.
Hi Stuart, thats great yeah it is amazing what can be achieved having the flexibility to fine tune the settings compared to the older machines is absolutely excellent for ground stability and depth increase. Same on the GPZ7000 - just get use to your adjustments to get as stable as you can for the grounds, and work the settings to achieve better results. Gold Mode (High Yield, General, Extra Deep) Ground Type (Normal, Difficult, Severe) And your sensitivity will come into play too dull or too high will result in the ground noise for each mode. Depending on the gold your chasing, we may crank the machines up but this loses smaller faint targets and vice versa too low and we miss deeper targets but Enhances the smaller signals. Thats why I choose to go over the same windows in various modes with various coils. Helps to fish out more than going over it once. All the best - M.G
Thanks ,great comparison.Looks like the 14"elite alone could do what would take several coils 👍😁
Hi Andy, cheers mate. Apologies on the delay
Been quite busy you could say lol.
Yeah the 14 is a great all rounder.
Thanks MG, very informative. I'm now quite sure the 14" is the first Elite coil I need to buy to supplement my bag of coils & I'll be out tomorrow with a few sinkers to dig some test holes & have a play with settings. Cheers.
Thats great Ned, test grounds are super important. Thats why I choose various types of metals as well on some tests, but more so a test area with different sizes at depths, with changing soil types. We seem to get too many people advising they find a 1 gram at 1 1/2 feet deep etc etc - but gold will signal a different response based on shape size and orientation, and then obviously coil size. List goes on hah. But these tests are great because its a basic comparison with same settings. I wish you all the best on your venture, and surely the 14" Elite will surprise you, I know I was - its definitely my go to coil but not my only choice. Cheers M.G
Thanks for going through all your effort: digging all them holes, sharing your knowledge and also shooting the videos... & lets not forget the very long hours behind the scenes that it takes edit and upload all of that to UA-cam = Great Job & Great Video Work !!!! Thank you for all of that!!!!
And to all of us who know & love our 4500's & and who also bought the 14" elite. We all know what a great deep sensitive hard working machine it is... And how that 14" elite Coil "super charged the 4500 perfectly"! With that coil ~ the 4500 was like a brand new machine!
I also agree 100% there are limits with all technology including Mono coils... Areas where using the DD are needed! In the winter months when the snow is falling up in the higher elevations ~ I go to the lower elevation areas.... These areas all have been heavily mined since the 1850s. And inside these 1850s mining sites there are areas that are worse to detect than others ~ where the combination of very very high mineral strata and lots of old rusty 1850 trash everywhere make all Mono coils go crazy... You can try to adjust the instability out a number of ways even using cancel mode but all result in a loss of depth if it works at all. I have found in areas like that my faithful ~ 11 Minelab DD was the only thing that would work.. But even that had it limitations. There were still some of the worst places in there that were still undetectable! .
Recently I bought a "Detech 8" DD" = its the equivalent of the Sadie Coil but ~ only in DD. Wow, I love that little coil!!!! That little 8" DD it has opened up areas to me that I couldn't go in before ~ These area are now detectable !!! The Detech 8" DD is also (Water Proof!!!) the Minelab DD Coil is not... and the "Detech 8" DD" is also very light and works great navigating through Trash & Minerals that wern't workable with a mono or even the larger 11" DD.
So In conclusion: YES... it is good to have more than one coil in your kit! Those coils will allow you to go in more diverse areas... .i.e. areas that have been avoided by others!
Thanks again for your great videos mate!
Gerard
Thanks Gerard, yeah it does take a lot putting these vids together, but well worth it for all to see. And you are 110% correct having multiple coils for our hunting in certain conditions, terrain, ground types. Having a good arsenal will help in many things. And yeah they are a dynamite combo the 45's with the Elite 14. All the best M.G
Thanks for taking the time to make this vid mate, I've been looking forward to it. I've recently bought a gpx 4000 so i dont have enhance but i think i may have to buy the 11inch for use in sensitive smooth timing as i mainly detect in super thick scrub with very hot ground.
I have one of the detech 15 ultimate spiral/flat wound dd's that runs real sweet in normal or sensitive extra so bar how heavy it is i have that for deeper ground and I'm really happy with it, extremely sensitive at depth for a big dd.
cheers Daryl
Thanks Daryl, yeah the Detech 15's are a tad on the heavy side. But we tend to get use to the weight after a while. Yeah by far at the top of the table for DD's - Thats great hope the GPX treats you well with some good finds. The 11's punch great - you seen the response on the 11 in the vid when bumped into Normal - I almost fell over with the response difference - hah. I wasnt expecting that much of a signal to be honest. Lol
Wow! Very well done, sir! Thanks for the effort. Subscribed because of it. I just picked up a 14". Heading out in a few days to try it out.
Hi Ed, thanks for tuning and and also for the subscription mate. Welcome aboard and hope you enjoy some more of the videos on the channel. And good luck on your hunt - M.G
@@MinelabGold I was wondering about your opinion on the 17" x 11" Advantage Nugget Finder? I have a 25" Nugget Finder and a 14" Coiltek Elite. Do I really need something in between? I appreciate the advice.
@@edkubinski Hi Ed, I wouldnt say you need something in between those coils.
Personally depending on the grounds type if the area is known for gold, shallow gold, small and large known gold - then yeah those coils you have are an excellent tool to have in your kit.
But maybe if there is known small gold as well. I would go for an increase in sensitivity which could gain some more wonderful finds that the larger coils have trouble with.
I guess the options would be a great small coil for GPX - Maybe something like 9" Elite - or if the budget allowed GM1000 SDC2300 GPZ7000 all these 3 machines are more sensitive to small targets than GPX with small coils. - Hope that helps
I barely listen for a signal..... I put the threshold down as far as it goes and jack up The Doc's gold screamer and use it as a threshold........ All I'm looking for is a change in threshold using my headphones, it's not difficult to shave off an inch of ground with your boot when you hear a change on the threshold and look for a signal at that point ........ Thanks for the video brother .... I still use my trusty SD2200D ....
The SD2200D has an automatic ground balance (tracking) that works exceptionally good And can you dig it ! .... Dig it all ...... Happy New Year bra ..... By the way twist the bag at the top where it seals and tie it with a zip strap..... when your done you simply pull the nugget out !
Awsome vid mate. just got a new 4500 and this vid helps a lot!! Warwick is a very noisy area and I'm by far still an newby to this. Top bloke 💪💪👊
Hope its all going good for you.
Yeah mate this vid helps a lot. Haven't been out for a while. Will be soon
Great video regarding the Coiltek, thanks mate..!
Best 4500 and Coiltek video out there. I have the exact same setup, and just learnt alot.
I'm sure you know, but you must have the front cap on Special for the smooth timings to work?
Anyway, thanks for the upload, and look forward to watching all your other videos.
Good luck out there.
Thanks, been out of action for some time apologies on the late response. Looking forward to getting some new vids uploaded. Not sure I ever use special soil timings
You should do this same test and see how the 14 Elite goes against the Commander 15x12 with the same settings be very interesting to see
Hi Critas, Thanks for watching. The commander coils are still great coils, I don't have my commander coils anymore though.
If I come across an operator coming for a training day who still has theirs I will quickly run a test for you. ;) Enjoy your week
Hi MG, thanks for taking the time & effort to give your followers this comparison of the 11, 14 & 17x11. My question is, what determines the depth of the 17x11? I'm thinking the minor axis must have some influence in reducing its depth. Any thoughts appreciated.
Hi Tony, thats correct elliptical will lose depth compared to round, for example 17 inch round much deeper, but less sensitive to small as well. The 17x11 would be maybe a good all round type coil. I guess the advantage is being able to push in with the tip, more ground coverage and depth compared to 11 inch round. Thats correct it loses depth from being narrow. ;) Many thanks for tuning in
@@MinelabGold Thankyou MG. Shared info helps others.
Plzzz make same comparison again with new 2019 coils . I think they improved the performance of these coils .
Hi Rehman, cheers mate. I probably can't make comparison on other manufacturer coils. Only because I have Coiltek Elites.
Smaller the coil better sensitivity to small targets, bigger the coil better depth and less sensitive to small targets at depth
Round coils more coil saturation with ground noise, Elliptical Coils less depth and less saturation but good for pinpoint and pushing into tight spots where some round coils wont fit.
Thats in a nutshell type of explanation but hope that helps.
@@MinelabGold thank-you 😊👍 i got it
So, what's the point of enhance? Normal seemed much better, Great vid,
Really enjoy your videos. You have a knack of bringing us into the action. The 17x11 seems to be less sensitive in the middle? Compared to the 14. Is that why you choose the 14 for most work? I’m thinking of buying either one. Jeff
Ahh thanks so much Jeff, yeah I usually always go round for depth.
From many many tests the 14 is my best all round coil and impressive on depth compared to elliptical.
Hope that helps and good luck mate
@@MinelabGold I was edging to to 17x11 because of better pin pointing and getting it in tighter places. But then concerned it’s not as sensitive to small gold?
@@jeff4047 Hi Jeff, its very very good for its sensitivity being only 11 inches wide, plus elliptical. Depending on which settings you run will also change its sensitivity to small gold. ;) The joys of detecting hey mate, we sacrifice something to gain something ;) If you have any questions email anytime I am always here to help in any way cheers
Thanks.. will look out for a 17x11
learnt bucket loads from that thanks very much .
johno
Glad you enjoyed it.
I wonder, if the large coils have problems with targets at a shallow depth, woulden't it help to lift the coil off the ground a bit....???
Hi Bjarke, depends on target size sub sub would struggle but big targets shallow no issue. Yeah some do run an inch up depending on the ground type to get less coil saturation from the minerals.
thanks that was great ..would like to see how the coiltec 18 and 9x14 goes on the same target's and depths and deeper with the same settings (was thinking of buying the 18 and 9x14) got the 14 and its a great coilbut a really good lesson on coil settings and coiltec coils.. also would be nice to know the weight of those two sizes/ weight of lead split shot you were usingthanks again for going to the trouble for us
Thanks HH, yeah another test would be the larger deeper targets with a comparison in Enhance and Normal with the 14" 17x11 and 18" with 1 and 2 ounce nuggets. We could expect the same as the 11 vs 14 with the 14 vs 18 - but who knows the 14 may just surprise us with the larger. I will get the weights and dimensions posted up. Cheers M.G
that would be a real good test I think ...there's probably some surprises in there some were
Yeah for sure, it just shows in certain ground conditions where a majority of people may operate in enhance mode with an 11" that maybe they could increase to the 14" still maintaining good ground stability what it can open up in response. We seen the 11 missed the gold in enhance but the 14 definitely a dig target even in an FP setting. Where as the other end of the scale the 11" Will clean up the small sub targets where the 14 just cant see.
Hi HH, here are the sizes and weights for you - Material Type Lead
Smallest Target 0.2g *30 - this is in the right hand side hole in the tests.
Next Size target - 0.6g *24 - The hole on the left.
The other area with 5 targets all same size - 1.0g *26 - Varying from 150mm 170mm 190mm 200mm and finally the deepest @ 230mm
Minelab measures Ferrous and Conductivity. Gold being a higher conductivity than Lead, There was the recent video with the 11" getting the 0.05g gold at roughly 40 to 50mm depth. Which I wasnt surprised on the response on the 0.2g at only 18mm to 20mm tops.
Order of Conductive Metals: Silver, Copper, Gold, Zinc, Nickel, Brass, Bronze, Iron, Platinum, Steel, Lead, Stainless Steel.
Hope that helps - All the best
P.S - the grounds are always setup so if there are any tests or settings you would like me to cover, I could simply go out and run the test for you, just shoot through an email or send a comment, I can also bury more gold, I have a lot of shapes and sizes weights etc.
Tests are great for everyone of all levels.
Cheers M.G
thank didn't mean you to have to go to so much trouble but its all good info and your right its good for everybody and really good to see the difference on setting on the same coil ...and great for anybody thinking about buying a coil...my coiltec 14 elite is really a great coil and better to use than I expected and just watching your test im sure I can get more depth out of it ...im now think I will get the 12 elite for this season as well ..im still thinking about the 18 but maybe ...anyway thanks love your video's and look forward to seeing them...ok by for now
Have you tried the Coiltek double D deep coil yet and what have you heard or done with it. What is your spin on double D coils.
Hi Billy, I used DD in my early years on GP3000 and 3500 - found lots of gold with the DD Coils they surely have pros but I like using the litz mono's now. as tech gets better they seem to handle hotter grounds and better depth. Put the 14 Elite onto the GP and wowo its a challenge. 11 Elite isnt too bad on GP though
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Cheers Again Ricky ;) Happy Hunting
Gimme your opinion on the Coiltek ......
14" DD Goldstalker
I was thinking the same thing, I noticed that it's Not submergable , I would go for the 15 inch Detect spiral DD coil, but I can't deside that I want a DD coil for mono coil for detecting on the beach.
Whats in the hot ground area?
Thanks, been out of action for some time apologies on the late response. That area is leached with iron oxide in the clay layer.
Is that 17X11" a DD coil?
My Name It's a Mono
ssooo...when you gonna return my 7 gram nugget you borrowed for these coil tests??? 😅😂🤣 }∆😎✌️∆{
Bahaha Love it. Wow thats a super old video that one. Still got that lovely piece as well. Not long Now W for the product release video. Working on it as we speak. Yippee and so excited to share it with you and the rest. Cheers and thanks for watching an oldie
@@MinelabGoldPlz make sure I get a heads up on Merchandise so I can place an order before everything is sold out. I have a feeling your stuff will sell out quickly, and I don't want to miss out. 😎✌️
@@MinelabGold By the way, talking about old videos... In that first one, did I hear you say "That's gold people"??? 😅😂🤣😎✌️
Well, it's official...just watched Cris Vogus video, he has a Stumpy already. 🙄