Love all the scenery of the countries of the old Yugoslavia. I have visited the southern coastal area of Croatia. I would love to visit other parts but at 80 years of age videos like yours enable me to have a virtual holiday instead. I love trains too. Thanks for your wonderful cab view videos ❤
@jJustPlayingNZ You are very welcome. I am glad that you enjoy traveling with me on those lines in different countries. That is why I try to include some extra information about the places along the railway.
I rode this route back in 2016 on business and must say things are changing fast in Hrvatska especially down on the coastal area of Rijeka and in towards Zagreb just from looking out through the passenger windows. Looks like government is getting on-board with improving the entire roads and railroad projects along with port infrastructure projects as well, good to see all this happening.
I'm sure when these are finished everyone will find traveling much easier, faster and even more economically beneficial for the economic future of the country. Major seaport projects are the life force for an entire region.
Este trayecto, aunque lo he visto otras veces, no deja de asombrar por la belleza de sus paisajes y la calidad de la infraestructura ferroviaria ( trenes y vías ). Gracias por el vídeo y la información desplegada. Saludos desde Chiguayante, Región del Bio Bio, Chile.
Four most common systems are 1500VDC (Netherlands, France local network), 3000VDC (Italy, Slovenia, Belgium, Poland, Spain, parts of Slovakia and Chechia) and then 15kV 16,7Hz AC (Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Sweden and Norway) and then 25kV 50Hz (whoever started the electrification later and all new high-speed lines even in countries that use DC for regular lines). There are countries that are split territorially (Slovakia and Chechia) but they have plans to switch all to 25kV AC. In former Yugoslavia, first electrification was done by Italy on territory that belonged to Italy between WW1/2, later extended to rest of Slovenia and also to (this) line from Rijeka to Zagreb in Croatia. But in 1970s Yugoslavia started massive electrification on 25kV AC and it was decided to switch over Zagreb to Rijeka from 3kV DC to 25kV AC and it was done in several steps, last one finishing in 2012 with last section from Moravice to Rijeka to Šapjane (border with Slovenia) being switched over to 25kV. There are still some remains of old 3kV systems - buildings of old traction substation buildings (3kV DC requires much more substations than 25kV AC), "umbrella" style of catenary (typical for Italy/Slovenia) which was just adapted for 25kV AC but has now been fully replaced with standard catenary portals.
@@ZvonimirZelenika Complimenti per la descrizione.L'Italia adotta per le linee di alta velocita' un sistema a 25kV leggermente diverso:cad.unipv.it/slide_TE/TE_Lezione_6.pdf
You can see different solutions they did on different parts of the line (as electrification switch was done in phases) - funniest example is "umbrella" catenary that is still present in many stations, example at 2:39:37 or 3:08:28 - so there is a central 25kV insulator at the base of the horizontal bar, while wires are still attached with (much shorter) 3kV insulators - though You can see on many locations that now they are replacing them with standard portals that are used on lines that have been originally electrified with 25kV. Migration on the open line actually wasn't that complicated - they would just gradually install 25kV insulators years before the switchover, though they did keep the double wire (again, on some places they have dismantled it and not on the others) and there were some differences in loading gauge profile of 3kV and 25kV (height of the wire and clearances required).
Remains from 3kV DC, last bit from Moravice ro Rijeka was switched over to 25kV AC some 10 years ago, but there are still some remains of old catenary, which was on some places just adjusted with new insulators but kept double wire. But over time they are replacing old portals and equippment with standard 25kV gear.
What we see here is that the state of Croatia doesn't like railways. This line connects Zagreb with second and third largest city. Half of it is for Split and for Rijeka. Port of Rijeka is an important port for Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia and Bosnia. This line is in bad condition. They have futuristic plans but the only reason for them are EU funds. They also have a train for 250km and they collect schoolchildren for middle schools in Karlovac and Zagreb. The train stops everywhere. Nowhere have train station behind every second bush. The purpouse of the train is to connect Zagreb and Rijeka and only cities and towns. Not every ruined villagge with no passangers. For schoolchildren they should have commuter trains not intercity train. And they need to stop thinking taht railways are a God's punishmet from past generations. No, the railways in Croatia are a gift from past generation to present generation who don't know how to use them. They have tourism, but they have to bring their own cars and pay toll and ferries. Trains from Bratislava and Bdapest with tourists would bring less money
All of these videos are recorded from passenger trains, so some of these gems that are cargo/only are more difficult to record. There was a channel @PJUT that some years back did record some of these cargo lines and there is one even older Brajdica recording (can be found), but they are pretty old and in rather low quality compared to these. I haven't seen any Bakar line recordings, but it would probably be very spectacular.
Remains of old 3kV electrification. Line was on 3kV DC since 1960s to about ten years ago when it was switched to 25kV AC like rest of the network in Croatia. But on some segments, this double wire (needed for 3kV to get enough power) still hasn’t been removed.
that part between Rijeka station and Susak seems basically impssoble to double track without some major demolition... which I hope is not part of the plan
I don't understand why it doesn't do top speed (120 km/h) between Karlovac and Zagreb (except briefly after Jastrebarsko) where the track is straight and flat with no residential area around but does in the mountainous area?
@wladislaw79 Thank you. Kosice-Roznava-Nitra and Poprad arriving at Krynica-Zdroj in Poland routes are still on my to do plan. In this video something went wrong with the GPS signal, so I could not use the data to show the route and speed info. Those data will be back on the next video. There will be some Czech lines published soon, working on them. I am planning my next trips...
It's hard to please everyone - some say more information and text is good, some say it's too much. It's tricky to strike a balance between those who just want to enjoy the scenery and those who want to explore and learn a bit more along the way. 😀
Vidim, dosta parkiranih 1141 lokomotiva. Jesu li raspoređene kao rezerva za kvar ili ispomoć za teretne na "teškim" dionicama? Također, tretne vuku samo Siemens-ice, a 1141 stoje, koji je glavni razlog?
Пару недель назад, на другом канале смотрел маршрут Загреб-Риека. Теперь на этом можно обратно "проехать".))) Жаль только Ю-тьюб в России теперь "ограничили" искусственно. Теперь в хорошем качестве такое длинное, интересное видео не удастся посмотреть нормально.
@@IPaddressgeolocat sjećam se a sad još i duže.Nema druge morat će se tu početi ulagati, cijela Europa ide na modernizaciju željeznice pa ni mi nadam se nećemo biti iznimka...
@@IPaddressgeolocat Najbrže su išli nagibni tamo negdje 2008 oko 3:15 kada je cijela pruga bila i premjerena za korištenje nagibnih vlakova, klasični vlakovi su najbrže išli oko 3:40. Ovo je dakako putnički vlak koji staje na 45 stanica putem, mislim da bi nekakav brzi uz minimalno stajanja i dalje išao oko 3:40 ali kada se autom dođe u sat i pol a (direktnim) autobusom u 2:15, vrlo malo je putnika za ZG-RI relaciju, tako da sada lokalni vlakovi zapravo opreriraju uobičajno u dva dijela - Rijeka-Ogulin i Ogulin-Zagreb, uz svega dva ovakova direktna vlaka s kraja na kraj tokom dana.
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What a lovely ride. I have a new appreciation for Croatia!
@GeoffSeeley Glad to hear that!
Yes. Rail Relaxation has opened my eyes to.😊
Love all the scenery of the countries of the old Yugoslavia. I have visited the southern coastal area of Croatia. I would love to visit other parts but at 80 years of age videos like yours enable me to have a virtual holiday instead. I love trains too. Thanks for your wonderful cab view videos ❤
@jJustPlayingNZ You are very welcome. I am glad that you enjoy traveling with me on those lines in different countries. That is why I try to include some extra information about the places along the railway.
🏴 Another superb ride with this channel who produce 100% top quality videos. Many thanks.
@robertknight5637 Thank you for your support.
I rode this route back in 2016 on business and must say things are changing fast in Hrvatska especially down on the coastal area of Rijeka and in towards Zagreb just from looking out through the passenger windows. Looks like government is getting on-board with improving the entire roads and railroad projects along with port infrastructure projects as well, good to see all this happening.
@richardlong3745 It is true. There are a lot of ongoing projects happening. Hopefully they will get to improve travelling times.
I'm sure when these are finished everyone will find traveling much easier, faster and even more economically beneficial for the economic future of the country. Major seaport projects are the life force for an entire region.
Este trayecto, aunque lo he visto otras veces, no deja de asombrar por la belleza de sus paisajes y la calidad de la infraestructura ferroviaria ( trenes y vías ). Gracias por el vídeo y la información desplegada. Saludos desde Chiguayante, Región del Bio Bio, Chile.
@juanvidelaramos9428 Gracias. Greetings to Chile.
Viva Chile
Viva Boric
@@davorlekenik9563 Venga a vivir a Chile y se arrepentirá de sus " Viva Boric ".
@@juanvidelaramos9428 ..... He's not a good president ??
I didn't know that .....
Casi el 70% de los chilenos reprueba su gestión.
Grazie per aver pubblicato questa linea; bella, complimenti!
Buona giornata.
Ciao.
@DavideZerillo Grazie. Buona giornata.
@@RailRelaxation Di niente, figurati.
Railroad like from the beginning of the 20th century. 4.5 h for 170 km trip. Beautiful! From Croat.
@shieldshockerwot Yes it was!
Beautiful! Thank you!
@MacGuyver85 Our pleasure!
Prekrásne natočené video 😃😃😃😃, tiež nádherná príroda 😃😃😃.
@sonagajarska5329 Hvala.
Dobar video hvala za put iz rijeke nazad za Zagreb
@user-er2kr3dm8m Drago mi je, da vam se sviđa.
Good weather, good train view!
I want to ride the train someday from japan😊
@user-zr6ge6xi9g Oh, I want to ride a train in Japan too. 😊
So amazing, beautiful Journey
Thanks.
@@RailRelaxation very good
Yet another transcontinental-duration Croatian rail trip, where you can take the time to admire the scenery! Hvala puno!
@wyqtor nema na čemu. Uživajte.
Having just finished a beautiful Cab View video from northwest Queensland Australia, this will make a wonderful contrast.😁👍❤
@martythemartian99
oh, I can imagine it will be a little bit different😁. Enjoy the ride.
Excellent video my friends awesome like and Greeting 🙋🏻♂️ from Argentina 🇦🇷
@MarcelosalivaTRENESArg Thank you very much! Greetings to Argentina.
Super vidéo des chemins de fer de la Croatie,félicitations
@pedrolesage9609 Merci.
Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 .......❤
@nilakshadushara-vk9sk Thank you for visiting.
Love to Sri Lanka from Australia. My last visit to your beautiful country was about twenty years ago.😊🥰
高原と白い山。青空が映り込んで美しい景色を見ることが出来ました。いい旅。
しかし、鳥は危険ですね。
You should see some of the birds we have in Australia. Some are as tall as me.😳
Lijepo je gledati prugu Rijeka-Zagreb iz upravljačnice vlaka
@zarkodombaj4415 Uživajte u vožnji.
@@RailRelaxation hvala.Ja volim gledati pruge iz upravljačnice vlaka.
Amazing !!!
@NikosKantiris Thanks!!
Odličan video 👍👍
@RailCro Hvala.
53:35 (about) It had never occurred to me that electrified railways used both DC and AC circuits. Thought they were all AC.
Beautiful countryside.
Four most common systems are 1500VDC (Netherlands, France local network), 3000VDC (Italy, Slovenia, Belgium, Poland, Spain, parts of Slovakia and Chechia) and then 15kV 16,7Hz AC (Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Sweden and Norway) and then 25kV 50Hz (whoever started the electrification later and all new high-speed lines even in countries that use DC for regular lines). There are countries that are split territorially (Slovakia and Chechia) but they have plans to switch all to 25kV AC. In former Yugoslavia, first electrification was done by Italy on territory that belonged to Italy between WW1/2, later extended to rest of Slovenia and also to (this) line from Rijeka to Zagreb in Croatia. But in 1970s Yugoslavia started massive electrification on 25kV AC and it was decided to switch over Zagreb to Rijeka from 3kV DC to 25kV AC and it was done in several steps, last one finishing in 2012 with last section from Moravice to Rijeka to Šapjane (border with Slovenia) being switched over to 25kV. There are still some remains of old 3kV systems - buildings of old traction substation buildings (3kV DC requires much more substations than 25kV AC), "umbrella" style of catenary (typical for Italy/Slovenia) which was just adapted for 25kV AC but has now been fully replaced with standard catenary portals.
@@ZvonimirZelenika Wow. Thanks so much for all this great information. I'm going to cut-and-paste it off and save it my folder on railroad matters. :)
@@ZvonimirZelenika Complimenti per la descrizione.L'Italia adotta per le linee di alta velocita' un sistema a 25kV leggermente diverso:cad.unipv.it/slide_TE/TE_Lezione_6.pdf
First viewer from india
@zrglobalmultimedialimited6976 🙌
Excellent journey
@TheRailWeb Yes it was.
Sehr gutes video
@hansrichardnohrer2834 Danke.
What I find astonishing is, that the isolators, designed vor 3 kV are still working well with 25 kV.
You can see different solutions they did on different parts of the line (as electrification switch was done in phases) - funniest example is "umbrella" catenary that is still present in many stations, example at 2:39:37 or 3:08:28 - so there is a central 25kV insulator at the base of the horizontal bar, while wires are still attached with (much shorter) 3kV insulators - though You can see on many locations that now they are replacing them with standard portals that are used on lines that have been originally electrified with 25kV. Migration on the open line actually wasn't that complicated - they would just gradually install 25kV insulators years before the switchover, though they did keep the double wire (again, on some places they have dismantled it and not on the others) and there were some differences in loading gauge profile of 3kV and 25kV (height of the wire and clearances required).
I notice that the overhead wires are double while Croatia has alternate current.
Remains from 3kV DC, last bit from Moravice ro Rijeka was switched over to 25kV AC some 10 years ago, but there are still some remains of old catenary, which was on some places just adjusted with new insulators but kept double wire. But over time they are replacing old portals and equippment with standard 25kV gear.
What we see here is that the state of Croatia doesn't like railways. This line connects Zagreb with second and third largest city. Half of it is for Split and for Rijeka. Port of Rijeka is an important port for Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia and Bosnia. This line is in bad condition. They have futuristic plans but the only reason for them are EU funds. They also have a train for 250km and they collect schoolchildren for middle schools in Karlovac and Zagreb. The train stops everywhere. Nowhere have train station behind every second bush. The purpouse of the train is to connect Zagreb and Rijeka and only cities and towns. Not every ruined villagge with no passangers. For schoolchildren they should have commuter trains not intercity train. And they need to stop thinking taht railways are a God's punishmet from past generations. No, the railways in Croatia are a gift from past generation to present generation who don't know how to use them. They have tourism, but they have to bring their own cars and pay toll and ferries. Trains from Bratislava and Bdapest with tourists would bring less money
Perjalanan yang mantabz...👍👍👍🙏
@pakharmanto2104 Beautiful journey indeed.
Hi loved it 😅😅 my guy
@JoshHodginsTrains Thank you.
@RailRelaxation you're welcome 😊 of course please come England soon mate 👍
So nice videos
@pranowobaris94 Many many thanks.
@@RailRelaxation very good
Great video! Will there be any videos which are from Zagreb Ranžirin Kolodvor-Bakar Port/Rijeka Brajdica Terminal? Cheers!
All of these videos are recorded from passenger trains, so some of these gems that are cargo/only are more difficult to record. There was a channel @PJUT that some years back did record some of these cargo lines and there is one even older Brajdica recording (can be found), but they are pretty old and in rather low quality compared to these. I haven't seen any Bakar line recordings, but it would probably be very spectacular.
Very nice video
Thanks. I am glad that you liked it.
Why does it have 2 Electric line to the Phantograf??
Remains of old 3kV electrification. Line was on 3kV DC since 1960s to about ten years ago when it was switched to 25kV AC like rest of the network in Croatia. But on some segments, this double wire (needed for 3kV to get enough power) still hasn’t been removed.
A paraglider around 35:00 on the top left.
@martinmachiels Good observer.
that part between Rijeka station and Susak seems basically impssoble to double track without some major demolition... which I hope is not part of the plan
@lordeisschrank I know that they have plans for a bit different location at some stretches, but I am not sure exactly where.
اجوا خضراء وجميلة
@a.m.9529 Yes, very green.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@rafkalutfian2215 Thanks.
👍👍👍❤👌
@user-gl6uj5wk1b Thank you.
GUAU ESTO ES UN VIAJE DE 🇭🇷 EN EL 🚈 PERO ME GUSTA ESE VIAJE😊
😊
And now for something completely different - though there are also some really nice forests on this route, not so much lakes like in Sweden.
They drive 50 on straight line and dream of 160. How will they be able to maintain such line if they are not capable of maintaining existing lines?
I don't understand why it doesn't do top speed (120 km/h) between Karlovac and Zagreb (except briefly after Jastrebarsko) where the track is straight and flat with no residential area around but does in the mountainous area?
@wladislaw79 Thank you. Kosice-Roznava-Nitra and Poprad arriving at Krynica-Zdroj in Poland routes are still on my to do plan. In this video something went wrong with the GPS signal, so I could not use the data to show the route and speed info. Those data will be back on the next video. There will be some Czech lines published soon, working on them. I am planning my next trips...
3,38,50 (cca) - abandoned track to Glina.
@alo1692 Thanks.
Lovely videos. Just a suggestion to ease up on the text, it's a little overkill.
@matthewpierce674 Thanks for the tip!
It's hard to please everyone - some say more information and text is good, some say it's too much. It's tricky to strike a balance between those who just want to enjoy the scenery and those who want to explore and learn a bit more along the way. 😀
🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@Tamar-Edisherashvili. Thank you.
Vidim, dosta parkiranih 1141 lokomotiva.
Jesu li raspoređene kao rezerva za kvar ili ispomoć za teretne na "teškim" dionicama?
Također, tretne vuku samo Siemens-ice, a 1141 stoje, koji je glavni razlog?
Пару недель назад, на другом канале смотрел маршрут Загреб-Риека. Теперь на этом можно обратно "проехать".))) Жаль только Ю-тьюб в России теперь "ограничили" искусственно. Теперь в хорошем качестве такое длинное, интересное видео не удастся посмотреть нормально.
@fktrctqd7942 I hope you will be able to watch it.
👍🏻
@TomRut.404 Thank you.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@rodrigofelix8589 Thanks.
Jel to u Meji vlak skoro 500 metara u komadu? 64 TEU cca, odkad to može?
Fehlt nich Stockholm / Oslo Part 3???
@Gameramstart123 Next video.
Ok hatte mich schon gewundert 👍🍀☕@@RailRelaxation
Sehr gut herclihe gritt windche heir
@Bhhjkltrwv Danke.
Koji je broj elektre
Binario unico.
@Pierpaolo664 Yes.
Pruga bas nije na zavidnom nivou
Da lijepi krajolici ali preduuuuuuuuuga vožnjaaaaaa
@@vatroslavmarkus24 negde 2005 godine putovanje je bilo oko 3 sata
@@IPaddressgeolocat sjećam se a sad još i duže.Nema druge morat će se tu početi ulagati, cijela Europa ide na modernizaciju željeznice pa ni mi nadam se nećemo biti iznimka...
@@IPaddressgeolocat Najbrže su išli nagibni tamo negdje 2008 oko 3:15 kada je cijela pruga bila i premjerena za korištenje nagibnih vlakova, klasični vlakovi su najbrže išli oko 3:40. Ovo je dakako putnički vlak koji staje na 45 stanica putem, mislim da bi nekakav brzi uz minimalno stajanja i dalje išao oko 3:40 ali kada se autom dođe u sat i pol a (direktnim) autobusom u 2:15, vrlo malo je putnika za ZG-RI relaciju, tako da sada lokalni vlakovi zapravo opreriraju uobičajno u dva dijela - Rijeka-Ogulin i Ogulin-Zagreb, uz svega dva ovakova direktna vlaka s kraja na kraj tokom dana.
Kada će ta nizinska pruga više? 😂
🙂
05/11/2024 13;21 23/12/2024 22;42
@HERBERTPAULO Boa tarde. Agradeço sua visita.
Vidim da i dalje koriste ručne skretnice kao da je 20 stoljeće. 😂 Stvarno je sramota taj HŽ.
Na ovoj pruzi je još jako dobra situacija. 😀
Fiume-Zágráb a magyarok építették a vonalat .❤🤍💚
Yep, and they did it in a hurry. It was a great achievement, though it was routed to be built as quckly as possible, with minimum tunneling.
Itt jártak Európa legerősebb malett renszerű gőzmozdonyai. Sajnos egyet sem őriztek meg az utókornak. Pedig túléltek két háborút is.
@@gaborgredely1848 Yes, we are unfortunately pretty horrible in keeping and preserving the industrial and technical history and heritage.
Bogami dobra brzina kroz tunel KUPJAK. ASEA brža od BRENE 😉😉
@rijeckapruga5718 😊