@@LeylaJessicaEleanorM-y8p He left Treyarch, started his own studio called Deviation Games, and then either left the studio or shut it down (I forget). All this happened right after BO4
with bo6 releasing there are A LOT of youtubers releasing the same video over nd over just trying to juice views…But you actually make meaningful content that isn’t just a waste of time to watch. Keep it up man u got a sub outta me
@@boogiewoogie44 say it louder for the people in the back! 🗣️📢 I swear I could unsub from about 6 different creators and not lose any info. Info like this is what's been missing!
As to i noticed if I play directed and actively play at cap 15 I get gums normally every other round or 2 but anyways Happy Hunting new sub here keep it up
Absolutely loving the Doughnuts Excel era, thanks so much for working so hard to track all this data! I love numbers and spreadsheets 😍 It would take some massive sample sizes to be statistically confident, but the fact that even your outliers seem to follow a stable pattern is super convincing, I believe your theory 100%
XD Thank you for your encouragement! It was a blast to create, and I was shocked at how few gums we earn. 11+ hours and only like 40 gums feels really slow! It would take so much time to get a large amount of data. Plus it would need to be continuous play to really test the time-theory. I really wanted to do more, but I have other videos that I need to save & quit quite often which would be a time-keeping nightmare! So, this is the best I got, and I'm glad it's good enough!
Now that I've watched the part where you say "they give you gobblegums to keep you playing" I think it's absolutely true. Multiple people that I've talked to, and me, all got a perkaholic gobblegum on a single digit round, and then proceeded to receive a perkaholic very rarely.
@hollow7029 I've noticed if you use certain gums frequently it seems to replace them in the next game or 2. I used up my good gums and thought well won't see those for awhile and then kept getting them 1-2 times each in following games
@@randomcranderson7688experienced similar yesterday. Dropped all my good ones for an EE run and then got them all back later that game and the following game after.. However, there’s a few GGs I still haven’t gotten once and I play a decent amount..
@@randomcranderson7688 im ngl that may just be selective memory as youre a lot more likely to notice getting a gobblegum u just used over a random gobblegum that u would never use. However u could also be right so someone could just test it and record it on a large scale to see if what u said is true but tbh i highly doubt
whimsicals should really be perma unlocks from bundles or beating ee's (even if beating a maps ee just makes you not consume whimsicals on that map) they give no advantage so being consumable is pretty stupid
Agreed, but I'm not sure if it's too big of a problem. I don't have any evidence to back this up, but as someone who has only used maybe five gobblegums total, the whimsicals are the ones I have by far the most of. Both are stacked up to 40+ for me
So basically Treyarch literally made the gobble gums into a gambling machine without having to spend a single penny or earn anything in game until they start dropping them in tracer and mastercraft packs
@@terror8406 its only for in game purchase gambling. Rng in game for free isnt against the law. Take the rocket league crates and keys concept. They had to remove crates and keys due to no way of earning keys through gameplay it was only from purchasing. But now they changed it to a drop system which allows you to open it for free while still keeping the same gambling rng like the crates did.
@@terror8406 I think gambling means that some kind of monetary value has to be involved. Some kind of currency. Some may argue that time is a kind of currency but if you were happily spending your time on the game then is it really that big of a deal? If every RNG mechanic was considered gambling then basically every game ever made is just a casino game. Loot box systems were a problem because the primary way to interact with them was by paying real world currency. In this case though. It's just time played.
It took me forever to figure out how to visualize that lol I knew what it looked like in my head, but took me a while to understand how to represent that lol. Glad it helped!
Ive had 4 or 5 games the past 3 days where i had a game and received a GG in the first 2 rounds. Definitely weird but it keeps me playing. Thanks for your hard work!
Like donut said in the video I think it honestly just has to do with the fact that you were near one of those 23 minute time periods near the end of the last game and the time period ended when you were on round two in that next game.
I hadn't seen this channel. But this style of objective factors to try and answer our questions has really earned my respect. I hope you get way more subscribers and people that appreciate this video format as much as I do.
I love that there’s chapters in the video and a recap at the end. It really ties everything together as some people might not really care for the details and want to get straight to the point. Love this video and channel.
This actually makes so much sense, this would also help explain why there's a pause timer, they don't want you pausing in game and going afk to earn gobblegum
my best guess is that the chance of getting one goes up over time/round, and goes back to base % when you get one, could explain the varience in the graphs
@@foliwag9590 I completely agree with this. Perhaps every round gives you an extra day 5% chance to get a gum, it would make sense why you sometimes get gums on b2b rounds, but very rarely. Although it could also be the case that it gives an exponential increase in rates, where the longer you go without a gum, the higher the % increase per round or per minute, or per XP or whatever it is
Good way to test the time based hypothesis is to stay on round 1 for 25-30 mins, then stay on round 2 for 25-30 mins. If the theory is correct you should get 1 gobble per round. Then do round 3. Then repeat the process by adding kills, buys, xp to narrow down the equivalence of what does or doesnt contribute to the gobblegum timer. Great vid Edit: Also it would be interesting to visualise your graphs as bell curves to see the averages AND consider using regression analysis in the amount of gobbles earned vs rounds, time, exp ect. To give a data driven analysis confidence score without needing to eyeball it as I've done it myself and missed something obvious but regressioning your data makes it 10x clearer from a data perspective
I think a lot of people made videos quickly to get views about “how to wake gobblegum” and didn’t use any data. Really appreciate you took the time to make a good data to spread good information!
Just have to say you give me hope, idk how long you have been doing this but I haven't seen this in depth research since PlayaTheGame back in B01 days and I'm happy I found you man. Keep up the great work
A theory needs to be checked that Gums have a loot pool, and your rank determines what is in that pool. I prestiged twice and spent most zombie time in the lower levels, I have tons of blue and purples but very few legendary and ultras.
I haven't done anywhere close to the same level of rigorous testing as Doughnuts, but I have been playing a whole lot of zombies, and am just about to finish prestige 3, and I don't see evidence of this personally.
Thank you! I said from launch it was time based, and friends kept telling me I was wrong. If you really pay attention you can predict when they’re coming based on time, and nothing else felt correlated. Glad someone came up with a way to parse the data. I feel vindicated and I appreciate your work on this.
I was looking around for who had the answers to gobble gums and stumbled on your video. Man I was so impressed with the hours of work you put in to this issue, I immediately subscribed. Well Done sir...well done!
No community is more dedicated than the cod zombies community when it comes to overanalyzing and reading a little too deeply into the stats, but I'm here for it and I love it
the majority of my background is in statistics (Industrial Engineering undergrad) and i love your approach when explaining statistics and sample sizes in simple terms so people understand. just subbed
ok dude. i jump from you, roffle waffle, and lego, and this just put you past them. easily. while they offer good info, this is just on another level. ...... Ive never subscribed to a gaming channel, and don't play any other game than zombies, but i'm hitting that sub and like here.
Bro roffles is the laziest content creator for someone that’s popular. You will never see sheets, slides, photos, patch notes details, or graphs from Roffles. Just yapping at 200BPM
Best video made about this subject to date, hate that a lot of youtubers posted the "how to get gobble gums fast" with literally no data to support their theories during double gobble gum.
I totally agree and I came to the same conclusion that you’re required to get a certain amount of xp and 20min or so timer for the drop to happen. Me and a friend went a step further and got zero xp for 25mins in the same round. Then after we flipped the round we got zero gums then at the end of the nest two rounds we got a gum each time. One after the other. We have a similar sort of graph etc.
Finally, a quality video about tracking stats in a game that isn't focused on being click bait! We need more people like you making videos! Thanks for the quality work you put into this.
@@Tendenciess that's crazy! i feel like i get them every other game haha. i definitely think that there is some kind of random system that applies a different algorithm randomly when you first login to the game, maybe it changes by the months or something. idk. i know my buddy gets wonderbar almost daily and i am super jelly.
You have 100% hit the nail on the head, best way for you to test it would probably to do like 10 games where you speed through every round no hanging about on anything and you'd see the time was pretty much exactly the same between them but I don't think you need to do that I think you've nailed it
I feel like they should do community challenges weekly where if you participate in them you get a pack of gobblegums, it would make people engaged and motivate those to play in a variety of ways. Just a thought I wanted to share.
So I believe that gobble gums are time-based and XP-based. Notice how higher rounds, you gain less gobble gums and near the beginning its also low income. Yet around the rounds 15-25 you gain the most. XP gain goes down the more you progress in rounds, but around those rounds you are fully prep for the zombies pack, perks, and rarity. You are getting kills very easily and quickly.
It's crazy that a lot of the original big zombie UA-camrs are releasing videos where their information is out of order. They make strange assumptions, don't know exactly how a step works, or leave out part of it. Then Doughnut is over here putting in the work for a fraction of the views.
@@olinsmith3638 the big UA-camrs don’t actually care if their information is correct, they just want to get the videos out as soon as they can to get the most views
ngl the thought to do this crossed my mind because i was interested in the mechanics behind it but you did wayyyyyyy better than i could have. Thanks man for your effort.
I tried to understand it like a month ago and couldn’t figure it out but came to the conclusion it had to do something with time but this made it so much simpler for me. Thanks for the graphs lol
I must preface this by saying that I appreciate all the work you've put into your video! It was a pleasant watch, I really enjoyed it all the way to the end. However, there is one thing I wanted to add to your hypothesis about inconsistent timings of gobblegum drops. I think it might not have anything to do with the game checking if you have fulfilled the requirement of those 20 minutes, it might have something to do with inconsistent rewards being more stimulating to humans. A study has been done in the past on gamblers, and the results were something along the lines of "giving rewards at a fixed interval feels less rewarding than giving rewards at a random interval". In other words, when you give people rewards in an irregular, or random, pattern they have a bigger reaction to said reward and thus play for longer. Anyways, maybe that isn't even the reason the gobbles are inconsistent, but just something I wanted to share :)
Before I started this video I really just thought you we’re wasting all of your time trying to figure this out because I thought it was 100% completely random but this makes perfect sense it just like the supply drops from AW I truly believe you have figured this out Doughnuts you are a legend
I think weapon kills has something to do with it. When I was doing the oil trap for crit kills, I was hardly shooting or swinging my sword. Basically all my kills were from the Molotov oil trap. And in about 50 minutes, I only got 2 instances with 1 gum each. This is with double gobble gum.
One hell of a video! i can only imagine how much work went into this one.. I made a copy of your spreadsheet, I'll be trying my best to keep a record and send it to you within a week or so. Appreciate all the hard work that goes into creating these stats!
You did really great job and all though you might found the answer, i still think there might be other factors that you didn’t test out, one of the things I noticed while playing is that everytime i buy a door or a perk, the round after that i get a gobblegum while after getting the map all set and done and stop buying stuff and stick with killing zombies, i stop getting anything even though i progress slowly through them and let time pass because of how slow some rounds go, but that might be just as lucky as a coin toss guess but who knows
I think these could be hidden xp numbers that still count towards gums but not count towards your character xp. Meaning the doors perks pap buys get you some amount of hidden xp that’s counting towards gums
We’re currently trying to test if bossfight and or successful exfil count towards the early gums in the next game but that’s proving difficult to track and figure out
@@drrickoftenzombies8959i think it might be some hidden xp bar that resets after every gum reward with 20 minute cool down, it’s hard to exploit but it would be awesome to know at least
I have seen a lot of people get confused on how when they have a zombie saved they die out fast so gobbles being time based could explain why the zombies die out so fast, they don't want you spending to much time in one round so you cant get too many gobble gums
Unfortunately this is anecdotal, according to data miners there is a back ground point system linked to your account, you can gain points by buying doors killing zombies and collecting perks. For instance if a perka is 50 points if you manage to get 50 points there’s also the chance you get 3 killjoys (15 points each) and a temploral gift (5 points each)
I saw a few of your shorts and thought they were cool. But then I saw this and im like this dude is a zombies addict lol. Got me to subscribe lol thanks for the 24 hrs of suffering for our knowledge of how gobblegums work
It carried over tho. Of you played till like round 30 but only got 1 then your next game you might get like 2-3 very early on. Dunno. They've bot explained much other than it's very random
I didn't keep exact track but on games that were round 150+ I received an average of 1-3 red 3-7 orange and many of the purple/blue gums. XP/gum farming while afk for the majority but I recorded totals before and after games. I honestly think high round has absolutely nothing to do with gum rarity because it seemed genuinely random. Like one of the matches, I was getting setup and got PKH on single digit rest were sporadic. One thing I did see a pattern with was the amount of gobble gum received per drop increasing past ~1hr playtime on the same map. Then again that could be lack of data (nor did I put an insane amount of effort like you) as I only ran 14 games that were 150+. The only thing I can guarantee is that level means absolutely nothing, from fresh account to max prestige the gums I got stayed consistently random. Anyway, great video respect to the amount of effort you put into this it really shows I don't really watch zombies YT's, but this was really cool.
If the gubblegum are time based why don't you try Just to stay alive on round One without killing zombies, that Will tell for sure if Is purely time based or you Need to do something else tò get them
I went through a whole prestige without really even using gobble gums. Didn’t know what they really did and the pack I had equipped was all rare so a lot of times they made a minimal difference anyway. I recently discovered how to edit the pack and yeah it’s nice having these shortcuts to high power weapons and perks but honestly to make it to level 31-36 about an hour to hour and half of playing you don’t really need them. It’s a game and im glad this graph proves the algorithm is more rewarding for that range, than the high levels.
I’m currently on a run to try to get to 200 and Im at 190. And the one thing I’ve learned is I definitely haven’t noticed any difference in gg rarity. I wasn’t sure if it was just in my head or whether I just lost track, but this confirmed what i figured
I knew something weird and more that meets the eye was up when I noticed me and my duo seemed to get awarded gobble gums at the same exact time very often
Now that’s spreadsheet magic! I only go to round 21 usually just doing the crit and special camo right now so am stocking up ready for the harder gun challenges. Glad this feels targeting at my ability level :)
Love the theory, I think it is the most theory out there that makes sense specially since BO4 was also time based, but what if this system is a combination of both previous gobblegum systems, so time based is from BO4, but you also have the BO3 system where you would earn divinium from doing things in game , and I don't mean challenges and easter eggs (mainly buying doors as getting shopping free on ZNS and alt+F4 was one of the farming methods in BO3). One common thing is that rounds 9-21 are where most gobblegums are earned, during these rounds you open up the map, you buy weapons, pap, ammo, shield, perks, upgrade the rarity. If we assume that Treyarch are making sure that casual players are not limited then we can't connect the gobblegum system to any easter eggs or challenges that a casual MP player wouldn't do, where most casual MP and WZ players would just go into the map get a gun, upgrade it, get perks and kill. Just a theory though, love the video.
Honestly by the unlock hinging on the end of the round is genius we are more inconsistent, making it feel more random and exciting And thank you so much for making all these functions of these games make so much more sense
I think instead of using a 24-hour time based test, I think you should have a hard cap round test. Set it to round 50, and make every effort to get to round 50, and log your findings through that, using different parameters., like so: 1. Strictly headshots. 2. Strictly body shots. 3. Strictly rapid kills. 4. strictly knife kills. 5. No PaP vs Immediate Pap (Use Wall Power for this.) 6. No perks. 7. All perks. 8. Test gobbles earned with each gun rarity. 9. Earn as many medals as you can each round. 10. Solo games vs. Varying amounts of party members. You can also use these parameters based on how MANY gums you earn mirroring the things you do as well. Though at the same time, we can speculate that it could have a simple mechanism for choosing what gums it gives you, such as: start at the first gum and assign them 1-however many gums there are. "Pick a number 1-3, then pick a number 1-however many gums, and give to player." I personally think Milo kinda had it mostly right, with common and rare gums for each category, rolling the dice for each one. I think MUCH more testing needs to be done before we truly understand how this mechanic works and I am VERY interested to see how the community figures it out.
not sure if you see this donut man, but im a long time zombies fan, and just wanted to say ive recently found ur videos and theyre amazingly well made, extremely helpful and above all else, entertaining! great job dude
Makes more sense that its time based and why they have a pause timer now. Its not because its "always online so we dont want server space to be taken" its because if they didnt have the timer we would exploit the hell out of that and they couldnt sell us gums in the shop. Makes so much sense now 🤯
Thanks for putting this out! Now, this is compelling evidence. Maybe not absolutely conclusive, but it's a huge relief to hear that it's likely not that you have to go to high rounds to get ultra's, because I typically die fairly early in the thirties, every time I try. Even when I try to use the strats that you posted for going into high rounds.
I have 2 sort of observations/questions about this. 1. I’m no dev, and I’m only 15 min in, but it seems like they are using a sort of equation with randomization variable that is reliant on both time and XP (as a check/balance) but also has overall limiters to keep the randomness from punishing some. So, the devs decide they want you to earn a gum every 20 min, but rather than just putting that blanket equation in of (when playtime = 20/40/60. . . Min, add gum + 1-3), they want it to be a little more mysterious. So, they add a randomized variable that pulls a factor of anywhere from 5-25 minutes from the last gum(s) earned. But, they also put in a check that looks over the last x gums and shaves off or adds to that equation for their last few gums to ensure it evens out over time. So, you may get one at 2/7/14 min, but that would mean your next 3 would be more like 30/50/80 minutes. 2. My BIG question is how they handle this secret formula moving forward. Sure, they can absolutely tweak it, it’s their game, but I’m always worried about anything monetized. I’d be curious to see this same experiment done next year to see if they’ve tweaked it, and/or to see half a dozen different accounts (with varying levels of engagement with the store) do this same experiment to see if the results are any different.
My theory is simple, but I do believe it has some merit to it. My theory is: Every round, there is a small percentage chance of being rewarded a gobblegum (for this example, lets say ~5-10% chance). And every subsequent round elapsed that doesnt reward a gobblegum, it increases the odds by a small percentage (again, lets just say ~5% give or take). When you do eventually get rewarded a gobblegum, that percentage chance every round is then reset back to the original starting value of ~5-10%. The number of gobblegum awarded does, however, seem to be random, between 1, 2 & even 3 at a time. This would likely explain why sometimes you are instantly rewarded a gobblegum as potentially early as round 2, even though not nearly enough time has passed for the gobblegum to be awarded. The percentage increase every round would also explain the seemingly consistently even earnings throughout the rounds. Where as the 20 minutes time theory isnt as consistent as you have times recorded of significantly less than 20 minutes. But if it were an RNG chance that increases slightly until you are awarded a gobblegum, its a little more consistent.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you for all of your work, I’m sure this video took so much time. I feel a lot more comfortable not grinding high rounds to stockpile gobble gum for the DLC release
Omg thank you for all of your hard work beautiful soul!! This was such a great and amazing haul of information 🥰 thank you for adding even more strength to the zombies community by being yourself 😁✨
When Doughnuts whips up a spreadsheet, that's when you know shit's getting serious 🔥
Milo- Whiteboard
Doughnuts- Spreadsheet Data
@@tricksterent I do both LOL need whiteboard and need spreasheet....i did this in other games. hahaha
Big Ol Facts
😂🍩💜 I ain't playin' around!
Like Milo pulling out a whiteboard
Blundell would have looked at this and be like, "I can hide a cypher in this"
XD Bro that's so true! HA!
Oh how I miss blundell 😍
@@rickyboy2204 what happen to him ?
@@LeylaJessicaEleanorM-y8p He left Treyarch, started his own studio called Deviation Games, and then either left the studio or shut it down (I forget). All this happened right after BO4
Amazing comment
with bo6 releasing there are A LOT of youtubers releasing the same video over nd over just trying to juice views…But you actually make meaningful content that isn’t just a waste of time to watch. Keep it up man u got a sub outta me
@@boogiewoogie44 say it louder for the people in the back! 🗣️📢 I swear I could unsub from about 6 different creators and not lose any info. Info like this is what's been missing!
FACTS!
Nice video ive also been do8ng some test both standard and directed doesn't seem to make a difference if your gonna afk obviously u will get more gums
As to i noticed if I play directed and actively play at cap 15 I get gums normally every other round or 2 but anyways Happy Hunting new sub here keep it up
“These inconsistencies right here are almost at a consistent level here”
Man love this content
@@Fxdxcutlass the statistical term for the observed pattern is negative serial correlation
@ appreciate that learn something new every day.
Just wait until they drop the gobblegum pack with 1x hidden power 1x perkaholic 1xwunderbar 1x reigndrops for $25 💀
the tracer pack they’re dropping comes with 1 perkaholic 💀
They just randomly throw it in bundles (to crank up the price) and use it as battlepass filler like they did with mw3.
If there's ever just direct buying then I'm out for sure because it will be little more than a clash of clans model 🤮
@@jeremyrennerfn tbf it fits the bundles theme but that doesn’t mean they wont just do it later on when were use to the bs
@@No1KnowWhere don’t give them any ideas 🤦♂️
Absolutely loving the Doughnuts Excel era, thanks so much for working so hard to track all this data! I love numbers and spreadsheets 😍
It would take some massive sample sizes to be statistically confident, but the fact that even your outliers seem to follow a stable pattern is super convincing, I believe your theory 100%
XD Thank you for your encouragement! It was a blast to create, and I was shocked at how few gums we earn. 11+ hours and only like 40 gums feels really slow! It would take so much time to get a large amount of data.
Plus it would need to be continuous play to really test the time-theory.
I really wanted to do more, but I have other videos that I need to save & quit quite often which would be a time-keeping nightmare! So, this is the best I got, and I'm glad it's good enough!
Now that I've watched the part where you say "they give you gobblegums to keep you playing" I think it's absolutely true. Multiple people that I've talked to, and me, all got a perkaholic gobblegum on a single digit round, and then proceeded to receive a perkaholic very rarely.
@hollow7029 I've noticed if you use certain gums frequently it seems to replace them in the next game or 2. I used up my good gums and thought well won't see those for awhile and then kept getting them 1-2 times each in following games
@@randomcranderson7688experienced similar yesterday. Dropped all my good ones for an EE run and then got them all back later that game and the following game after.. However, there’s a few GGs I still haven’t gotten once and I play a decent amount..
@@randomcranderson7688 im ngl that may just be selective memory as youre a lot more likely to notice getting a gobblegum u just used over a random gobblegum that u would never use. However u could also be right so someone could just test it and record it on a large scale to see if what u said is true but tbh i highly doubt
@@hollow7029 I had 4 Perkaholics probably 10/15 hours into the game playing mostly zombies but haven't had one since with 40 hours
Its fucking random but higher lvls can bring better rewards
whimsicals should really be perma unlocks from bundles or beating ee's (even if beating a maps ee just makes you not consume whimsicals on that map)
they give no advantage so being consumable is pretty stupid
@@FizzTheFox remove the timer aswell
@@FizzTheFox you get them everytime you exfil and it's a set number of them you get 2-3 after round 26 and so on
Agreed, but I'm not sure if it's too big of a problem. I don't have any evidence to back this up, but as someone who has only used maybe five gobblegums total, the whimsicals are the ones I have by far the most of. Both are stacked up to 40+ for me
@@KitTheFoxxoi never used a whimsical have 2,5 days game time and have 2 or 3 of both of them, how bro, HOW?
The one that makes the zombies fart most definitely gives you an advantage
The fact that your putting all this time just for the community is amazing keep up the good work love the vids
So basically Treyarch literally made the gobble gums into a gambling machine without having to spend a single penny or earn anything in game until they start dropping them in tracer and mastercraft packs
I think its not allowed anymore to have a gambling machine for gobble gums.. or atleast in some countries not sure if its worldwide...
@@terror8406 its only for in game purchase gambling. Rng in game for free isnt against the law. Take the rocket league crates and keys concept. They had to remove crates and keys due to no way of earning keys through gameplay it was only from purchasing. But now they changed it to a drop system which allows you to open it for free while still keeping the same gambling rng like the crates did.
@TheRealSylent yeah was only referring to the gambling system "lootboxes" from the old days
@@terror8406 ah ok
@@terror8406 I think gambling means that some kind of monetary value has to be involved. Some kind of currency. Some may argue that time is a kind of currency but if you were happily spending your time on the game then is it really that big of a deal? If every RNG mechanic was considered gambling then basically every game ever made is just a casino game. Loot box systems were a problem because the primary way to interact with them was by paying real world currency. In this case though. It's just time played.
it’s sheetin time
@@Clara-bh7lp This deserves all the likes
@@janne8765 Real
He played a game and knew ... he had to take a sheet. And he sheeted on all his games.
@@ArdaTheCoffeeBeannooooo!😢
The photoshop graph made it all make more than enough sense I appreciate the time this took man
It took me forever to figure out how to visualize that lol I knew what it looked like in my head, but took me a while to understand how to represent that lol. Glad it helped!
You did amazing@@Doughnuts
Fantastic video man, subscribed!
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Noah's next reaction video confirmed 😂
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Ive had 4 or 5 games the past 3 days where i had a game and received a GG in the first 2 rounds. Definitely weird but it keeps me playing. Thanks for your hard work!
@seang1032 I had a game yesterday where I rolled a hidden power at round 3. Just when I thought I had the earning figured out lol.
Like donut said in the video I think it honestly just has to do with the fact that you were near one of those 23 minute time periods near the end of the last game and the time period ended when you were on round two in that next game.
I hadn't seen this channel. But this style of objective factors to try and answer our questions has really earned my respect. I hope you get way more subscribers and people that appreciate this video format as much as I do.
I love that there’s chapters in the video and a recap at the end. It really ties everything together as some people might not really care for the details and want to get straight to the point. Love this video and channel.
New drinking game take a shot every time he says gobble gum
Take a shot every time this man makes a spreadsheet 😂
@ matt .....drunk after few minutes😂
3,2,1 instadrunk😂
That's a deathwish lol
Liver failure any%
This actually makes so much sense, this would also help explain why there's a pause timer, they don't want you pausing in game and going afk to earn gobblegum
my best guess is that the chance of getting one goes up over time/round, and goes back to base % when you get one, could explain the varience in the graphs
@@foliwag9590 I completely agree with this. Perhaps every round gives you an extra day 5% chance to get a gum, it would make sense why you sometimes get gums on b2b rounds, but very rarely. Although it could also be the case that it gives an exponential increase in rates, where the longer you go without a gum, the higher the % increase per round or per minute, or per XP or whatever it is
He does it for him self not community Just for views and likes 🤡
@@MrSitallewal1983 good
@@MrSitallewal1983 shut up
Good way to test the time based hypothesis is to stay on round 1 for 25-30 mins, then stay on round 2 for 25-30 mins. If the theory is correct you should get 1 gobble per round. Then do round 3.
Then repeat the process by adding kills, buys, xp to narrow down the equivalence of what does or doesnt contribute to the gobblegum timer.
Great vid
Edit: Also it would be interesting to visualise your graphs as bell curves to see the averages AND consider using regression analysis in the amount of gobbles earned vs rounds, time, exp ect. To give a data driven analysis confidence score without needing to eyeball it as I've done it myself and missed something obvious but regressioning your data makes it 10x clearer from a data perspective
I think a lot of people made videos quickly to get views about “how to wake gobblegum” and didn’t use any data. Really appreciate you took the time to make a good data to spread good information!
“If that chart was a little confusing for you, here’s a graph”
Honestly its an epic video, thank you for doing all the analysis brother!
Just have to say you give me hope, idk how long you have been doing this but I haven't seen this in depth research since PlayaTheGame back in B01 days and I'm happy I found you man. Keep up the great work
Drink game idea: take a drink every time he says gobble-gum and have a friend record your time-of-death 😂
that great idea 😂
A theory needs to be checked that Gums have a loot pool, and your rank determines what is in that pool. I prestiged twice and spent most zombie time in the lower levels, I have tons of blue and purples but very few legendary and ultras.
This data set was made when I was about prestige 2, level 30 all the way to prestige 3 level 40.
Master prestige here, I can believe that bc all I get is blues and purples.
I haven't done anywhere close to the same level of rigorous testing as Doughnuts, but I have been playing a whole lot of zombies, and am just about to finish prestige 3, and I don't see evidence of this personally.
I had a fresh P4 Near Death drop on Round 2 for me, so idk
I barely got any ultras at prestige 0 level 55
Thank you! I said from launch it was time based, and friends kept telling me I was wrong. If you really pay attention you can predict when they’re coming based on time, and nothing else felt correlated. Glad someone came up with a way to parse the data. I feel vindicated and I appreciate your work on this.
I was looking around for who had the answers to gobble gums and stumbled on your video. Man I was so impressed with the hours of work you put in to this issue, I immediately subscribed. Well Done sir...well done!
He missed something tho, they def do come from “doing stuff”. I’ve gotten them exactly after buying a door for example, Sam trials, etc.
No community is more dedicated than the cod zombies community when it comes to overanalyzing and reading a little too deeply into the stats, but I'm here for it and I love it
Brother…great job. I honestly think Milo should bring this video up and give his options on this data set. You deserve the exposure!
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No milo has become like the rest Doughnut do a good enough job as it is he will be big one day just watch
@@omega7045 who is the rest broo, and what are they like
We don’t care what Milo thinks, that’s why we come here. Dudes a giant crybaby and I don’t care about his whiny opinions. He’s old news.
@CaptCrackSparrow you're the only one whining lol
the majority of my background is in statistics (Industrial Engineering undergrad) and i love your approach when explaining statistics and sample sizes in simple terms so people understand. just subbed
ok dude. i jump from you, roffle waffle, and lego, and this just put you past them. easily. while they offer good info, this is just on another level. ...... Ive never subscribed to a gaming channel, and don't play any other game than zombies, but i'm hitting that sub and like here.
Lego is the worst how can u watch that cheater?🤮🤮
Bro roffles is the laziest content creator for someone that’s popular. You will never see sheets, slides, photos, patch notes details, or graphs from Roffles. Just yapping at 200BPM
@@theredpillneo2296Dalek is the worst, but Lego and Milo are pretty awful too.. They’ve become shills of the game.
You should check out SBP, I recently discovered him and he is super chill. He's doing his Nebula grind rn.
@@theredpillneo2296Cheater??? Lol what do you mean “cheater”? Reverse boosting SBMM in MP, or some “glitch” in zombies?
21:01 "does this make sense?" Yessir
YOU FINALLY DISCOVERED IT!
I was also thinking something like this but not exactly
I love your pfp 😂
Best video made about this subject to date, hate that a lot of youtubers posted the "how to get gobble gums fast" with literally no data to support their theories during double gobble gum.
I totally agree and I came to the same conclusion that you’re required to get a certain amount of xp and 20min or so timer for the drop to happen. Me and a friend went a step further and got zero xp for 25mins in the same round. Then after we flipped the round we got zero gums then at the end of the nest two rounds we got a gum each time. One after the other. We have a similar sort of graph etc.
Finally, a quality video about tracking stats in a game that isn't focused on being click bait! We need more people like you making videos!
Thanks for the quality work you put into this.
I laughed at the soda fountain and reign drops comment, cause I have over 20 of both haha. Thanks for doing this work buddy.
This is basically proof that its purely random
I haven't gotten a single reign drops since launch and I have over 4 days in zombies
@@Tendenciess that's crazy! i feel like i get them every other game haha. i definitely think that there is some kind of random system that applies a different algorithm randomly when you first login to the game, maybe it changes by the months or something. idk. i know my buddy gets wonderbar almost daily and i am super jelly.
You have 100% hit the nail on the head, best way for you to test it would probably to do like 10 games where you speed through every round no hanging about on anything and you'd see the time was pretty much exactly the same between them but I don't think you need to do that I think you've nailed it
I feel like they should do community challenges weekly where if you participate in them you get a pack of gobblegums, it would make people engaged and motivate those to play in a variety of ways. Just a thought I wanted to share.
So I believe that gobble gums are time-based and XP-based. Notice how higher rounds, you gain less gobble gums and near the beginning its also low income. Yet around the rounds 15-25 you gain the most. XP gain goes down the more you progress in rounds, but around those rounds you are fully prep for the zombies pack, perks, and rarity. You are getting kills very easily and quickly.
Here is our doughnut spreading his sheets all over the place and we love him for it
Us: you got our fix
Doughnut: I've got so. So much more *pulls out a 50-24ft graph out of nowhere*
It's crazy that a lot of the original big zombie UA-camrs are releasing videos where their information is out of order. They make strange assumptions, don't know exactly how a step works, or leave out part of it. Then Doughnut is over here putting in the work for a fraction of the views.
This , UA-camrs claim stuff doughnuts proves wrong here with just no info or anything really glad he is doing this
@@olinsmith3638 the big UA-camrs don’t actually care if their information is correct, they just want to get the videos out as soon as they can to get the most views
The fact that someone would go through this much effort for the community is ridiculous. Respect
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GREAT JOB MAN. Keep up the work❤️
ngl the thought to do this crossed my mind because i was interested in the mechanics behind it but you did wayyyyyyy better than i could have. Thanks man for your effort.
Feels like im watching the TGD or JGod of Zombies. Just subscribed brother. Great work. 👊🏽
3 mins in doughnuts has said gobblegum more then I have earned said goobblegums 😂😂 thanks as always for the information doughnuts!
Can we all just appreciate how much effort you’re putting in to all of this!!!
I tried to understand it like a month ago and couldn’t figure it out but came to the conclusion it had to do something with time but this made it so much simpler for me. Thanks for the graphs lol
I must preface this by saying that I appreciate all the work you've put into your video! It was a pleasant watch, I really enjoyed it all the way to the end. However, there is one thing I wanted to add to your hypothesis about inconsistent timings of gobblegum drops. I think it might not have anything to do with the game checking if you have fulfilled the requirement of those 20 minutes, it might have something to do with inconsistent rewards being more stimulating to humans. A study has been done in the past on gamblers, and the results were something along the lines of "giving rewards at a fixed interval feels less rewarding than giving rewards at a random interval". In other words, when you give people rewards in an irregular, or random, pattern they have a bigger reaction to said reward and thus play for longer. Anyways, maybe that isn't even the reason the gobbles are inconsistent, but just something I wanted to share :)
Before I started this video I really just thought you we’re wasting all of your time trying to figure this out because I thought it was 100% completely random but this makes perfect sense it just like the supply drops from AW I truly believe you have figured this out Doughnuts you are a legend
Thank you! It was a blast to make this one!
My boy broke out the Gobble gum spread sheet,Treyarch don't stand a chance 😂👍
I think weapon kills has something to do with it. When I was doing the oil trap for crit kills, I was hardly shooting or swinging my sword. Basically all my kills were from the Molotov oil trap. And in about 50 minutes, I only got 2 instances with 1 gum each. This is with double gobble gum.
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@@justinharris7587 WHAT DO THEY MEAN
One hell of a video! i can only imagine how much work went into this one.. I made a copy of your spreadsheet, I'll be trying my best to keep a record and send it to you within a week or so. Appreciate all the hard work that goes into creating these stats!
You did really great job and all though you might found the answer, i still think there might be other factors that you didn’t test out, one of the things I noticed while playing is that everytime i buy a door or a perk, the round after that i get a gobblegum while after getting the map all set and done and stop buying stuff and stick with killing zombies, i stop getting anything even though i progress slowly through them and let time pass because of how slow some rounds go, but that might be just as lucky as a coin toss guess but who knows
I think these could be hidden xp numbers that still count towards gums but not count towards your character xp. Meaning the doors perks pap buys get you some amount of hidden xp that’s counting towards gums
We’re currently trying to test if bossfight and or successful exfil count towards the early gums in the next game but that’s proving difficult to track and figure out
@@drrickoftenzombies8959i think it might be some hidden xp bar that resets after every gum reward with 20 minute cool down, it’s hard to exploit but it would be awesome to know at least
Why can’t they just tell us how to earn them the best way? Instead we relying on you to carry the lot of us. Doing gods work man.
I have seen a lot of people get confused on how when they have a zombie saved they die out fast so gobbles being time based could explain why the zombies die out so fast, they don't want you spending to much time in one round so you cant get too many gobble gums
No, in every treyarch zombies, if the zombie has lost health, or not interacted with the player it will simply die to progress the game
This was an absolute BANGER of a video!! Thank you for your hard work🙏🏼🔥
i have not used a single one of my gobblegums yet, i currently have 256 Rares, 157 Epics, 98 Legendarys and 27 Ultras
This video has motivated me to continue on your study, im gonna borrow your spreadsheets and fill them out myself over the following weeks
0:48 ultra ware gobble gum?💀💀💀
You’re so funny
2 min into this video and as someone who works with data for a living I applaud you for this.
Thank you! That means a LOT!
Unfortunately this is anecdotal, according to data miners there is a back ground point system linked to your account, you can gain points by buying doors killing zombies and collecting perks. For instance if a perka is 50 points if you manage to get 50 points there’s also the chance you get 3 killjoys (15 points each) and a temploral gift (5 points each)
Is that so? Does there happen to be a source for this?
@ at the moment no but I saw it on the cod zombies Reddit 2-3 days after the game released
I saw a few of your shorts and thought they were cool. But then I saw this and im like this dude is a zombies addict lol. Got me to subscribe lol thanks for the 24 hrs of suffering for our knowledge of how gobblegums work
absolute peak zombies content
You know it's about to get serious when the dude rolls out a spreadsheet! Haha, great info mate, much appreciated!
I'm fairly certain that gobblebums are just as random as possible because I've managed to get three of them in terminus at round one.
@@aaronwoodall5632 I got an ultra, a rare, and a legendary in round 4
It carried over tho. Of you played till like round 30 but only got 1 then your next game you might get like 2-3 very early on. Dunno. They've bot explained much other than it's very random
I didn't keep exact track but on games that were round 150+ I received an average of 1-3 red 3-7 orange and many of the purple/blue gums. XP/gum farming while afk for the majority but I recorded totals before and after games. I honestly think high round has absolutely nothing to do with gum rarity because it seemed genuinely random. Like one of the matches, I was getting setup and got PKH on single digit rest were sporadic. One thing I did see a pattern with was the amount of gobble gum received per drop increasing past ~1hr playtime on the same map. Then again that could be lack of data (nor did I put an insane amount of effort like you) as I only ran 14 games that were 150+. The only thing I can guarantee is that level means absolutely nothing, from fresh account to max prestige the gums I got stayed consistently random.
Anyway, great video respect to the amount of effort you put into this it really shows I don't really watch zombies YT's, but this was really cool.
If the gubblegum are time based why don't you try Just to stay alive on round One without killing zombies, that Will tell for sure if Is purely time based or you Need to do something else tò get them
I went through a whole prestige without really even using gobble gums. Didn’t know what they really did and the pack I had equipped was all rare so a lot of times they made a minimal difference anyway. I recently discovered how to edit the pack and yeah it’s nice having these shortcuts to high power weapons and perks but honestly to make it to level 31-36 about an hour to hour and half of playing you don’t really need them. It’s a game and im glad this graph proves the algorithm is more rewarding for that range, than the high levels.
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@@bottleflaskan802 unnecessary
Time is money, game devs have been living by this.
I’m currently on a run to try to get to 200 and Im at 190. And the one thing I’ve learned is I definitely haven’t noticed any difference in gg rarity. I wasn’t sure if it was just in my head or whether I just lost track, but this confirmed what i figured
Honestly just because of the amount of work you’re willing to put in for something so simple just made me want to subscribe
It’s so strange that the classic’s didn't return, especially since it was always one of the best things going for the gobblegum system.
Hope this blows up like crazy. The work you put in is 💯💯💯💯
Milo: Whiteboard of Knowledge
Doughnuts: Spreadsheet of Knowledge
This is why I love the zombies community😂😂
oh shit when someone brings maths and spreadsheets into Call Of Duty you know someone is locked in
I knew something weird and more that meets the eye was up when I noticed me and my duo seemed to get awarded gobble gums at the same exact time very often
Now that’s spreadsheet magic! I only go to round 21 usually just doing the crit and special camo right now so am stocking up ready for the harder gun challenges. Glad this feels targeting at my ability level :)
Love the theory, I think it is the most theory out there that makes sense specially since BO4 was also time based, but what if this system is a combination of both previous gobblegum systems, so time based is from BO4, but you also have the BO3 system where you would earn divinium from doing things in game , and I don't mean challenges and easter eggs (mainly buying doors as getting shopping free on ZNS and alt+F4 was one of the farming methods in BO3). One common thing is that rounds 9-21 are where most gobblegums are earned, during these rounds you open up the map, you buy weapons, pap, ammo, shield, perks, upgrade the rarity. If we assume that Treyarch are making sure that casual players are not limited then we can't connect the gobblegum system to any easter eggs or challenges that a casual MP player wouldn't do, where most casual MP and WZ players would just go into the map get a gun, upgrade it, get perks and kill. Just a theory though, love the video.
Honestly by the unlock hinging on the end of the round is genius we are more inconsistent, making it feel more random and exciting
And thank you so much for making all these functions of these games make so much more sense
I think instead of using a 24-hour time based test, I think you should have a hard cap round test. Set it to round 50, and make every effort to get to round 50, and log your findings through that, using different parameters., like so:
1. Strictly headshots.
2. Strictly body shots.
3. Strictly rapid kills.
4. strictly knife kills.
5. No PaP vs Immediate Pap (Use Wall Power for this.)
6. No perks.
7. All perks.
8. Test gobbles earned with each gun rarity.
9. Earn as many medals as you can each round.
10. Solo games vs. Varying amounts of party members.
You can also use these parameters based on how MANY gums you earn mirroring the things you do as well.
Though at the same time, we can speculate that it could have a simple mechanism for choosing what gums it gives you, such as:
start at the first gum and assign them 1-however many gums there are.
"Pick a number 1-3, then pick a number 1-however many gums, and give to player."
I personally think Milo kinda had it mostly right, with common and rare gums for each category, rolling the dice for each one. I think MUCH more testing needs to be done before we truly understand how this mechanic works and I am VERY interested to see how the community figures it out.
Quick reminder as well you get some gobblegums from leveling up in the prestige track and they also show the little spin animation.
not sure if you see this donut man, but im a long time zombies fan, and just wanted to say ive recently found ur videos and theyre amazingly well made, extremely helpful and above all else, entertaining! great job dude
Makes more sense that its time based and why they have a pause timer now. Its not because its "always online so we dont want server space to be taken" its because if they didnt have the timer we would exploit the hell out of that and they couldnt sell us gums in the shop. Makes so much sense now 🤯
"Everything you think you know about how Gobblegums work is wrong"
Me: "Big chew gives big buff. I know nothing else" 😂
Thanks for putting this out! Now, this is compelling evidence. Maybe not absolutely conclusive, but it's a huge relief to hear that it's likely not that you have to go to high rounds to get ultra's, because I typically die fairly early in the thirties, every time I try. Even when I try to use the strats that you posted for going into high rounds.
I have 2 sort of observations/questions about this.
1. I’m no dev, and I’m only 15 min in, but it seems like they are using a sort of equation with randomization variable that is reliant on both time and XP (as a check/balance) but also has overall limiters to keep the randomness from punishing some. So, the devs decide they want you to earn a gum every 20 min, but rather than just putting that blanket equation in of (when playtime = 20/40/60. . . Min, add gum + 1-3), they want it to be a little more mysterious. So, they add a randomized variable that pulls a factor of anywhere from 5-25 minutes from the last gum(s) earned. But, they also put in a check that looks over the last x gums and shaves off or adds to that equation for their last few gums to ensure it evens out over time. So, you may get one at 2/7/14 min, but that would mean your next 3 would be more like 30/50/80 minutes.
2. My BIG question is how they handle this secret formula moving forward. Sure, they can absolutely tweak it, it’s their game, but I’m always worried about anything monetized. I’d be curious to see this same experiment done next year to see if they’ve tweaked it, and/or to see half a dozen different accounts (with varying levels of engagement with the store) do this same experiment to see if the results are any different.
MAJOR W! This is what I love to see!
Your research is absolutely helpful. I might put this to the test!
Please do! That would be awesome!
This level reasarch is so appreciated.
Love this! Your spreadsheets just got you a subscription!
doughnuts your so correct about the ~20 min mark. Im in director mode camo grinding and every 20 or so minutes im getting a gobblegum
I think the word "gobblegum" is permanently stuck in my head after watching this 😂😂😂
My theory is simple, but I do believe it has some merit to it. My theory is: Every round, there is a small percentage chance of being rewarded a gobblegum (for this example, lets say ~5-10% chance). And every subsequent round elapsed that doesnt reward a gobblegum, it increases the odds by a small percentage (again, lets just say ~5% give or take). When you do eventually get rewarded a gobblegum, that percentage chance every round is then reset back to the original starting value of ~5-10%. The number of gobblegum awarded does, however, seem to be random, between 1, 2 & even 3 at a time.
This would likely explain why sometimes you are instantly rewarded a gobblegum as potentially early as round 2, even though not nearly enough time has passed for the gobblegum to be awarded. The percentage increase every round would also explain the seemingly consistently even earnings throughout the rounds. Where as the 20 minutes time theory isnt as consistent as you have times recorded of significantly less than 20 minutes. But if it were an RNG chance that increases slightly until you are awarded a gobblegum, its a little more consistent.
Remember seeing your videos at 15k subs and the quality has only went up in quality. Keep it up
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you for all of your work, I’m sure this video took so much time. I feel a lot more comfortable not grinding high rounds to stockpile gobble gum for the DLC release
Thank you! It was really fun, but absolutely took so much time and work! 100% worth it though!
Omg thank you for all of your hard work beautiful soul!! This was such a great and amazing haul of information 🥰 thank you for adding even more strength to the zombies community by being yourself 😁✨