Reynolds AR 41 x wheelset review - weird flex but ok?
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2019
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Hi James, I’m so glad to watch this review before I buy them, really helps. Thanks.
Nice and honest review. Thanks!
Ive ridden the 29x and 41x and have had zero flex issues even when sprinting on steep climbs.
greatly appreciated on this video and feedback and yes me own a reynold carbon wheels too,at first me was really frustated to found out what had says was really true ,but after that i did some own research and founds out not only reynold do that,most of mid brands on rim brakes makes that tiny flex too,and automatically me was relieve and so for me cant fully blame reynold,they have yet build the best rim afterall,sorry for the english
Your broken English makes this comment so amazing. It sounds like an Irishman talking about wheels 😂 keep at it man. Just replace me with I and you’re generally good in the above post
A great honest review. Reynolds need to have a rethink on the design by the sounds of it. For $2500 I'd be expecting a wheel that was flawless.
Cheers Gareth!
AR41X wheelset is only US$1,549.
Thanks for the review. The brake rub is a big no no, i am a 60 kg rider on a set of Fulcrum Racing 3 and i get the brake rub out of saddle too, super annoying
Ooopps! I just see your video on Reynolds AR41. I was planning to buy a set for one of my bikes DB, but not now. Thanks for the eyes opener!
I got the AR58X and the are really good, no issues and they are fast!
I got the AR41x DB (disc brake) version manufacture data of 9/2020 and I don't have any issues with the wheels.
@@Onthebackhalf Any updates? These wheels are perfect (on paper) for my disc bike but I won't be able to ignore a flexible wheel. Any issues with yours since your comment?
@@npdcpa I am still very happy with my purchase. I have not had any issues and the wheels are still a true as when I bought them. I have not been tracking the mileage I have put on them but I am sure it is 600+ miles. Been doing a mix of indoor (wheel off trainer) and outdoor riding. I mostly ride hills, 5-18% grades when I ride. I have 32 mm Continental GP5000 tires on them.
I was looking at these currently have the Reynolds assualts also in 41mm depth. Think I'll stick with my assualts then as they dont have that issue 😂
Thanks for the great review. Competitive Cyclist recommended these to me without any mention of the brake rub issue, and i am so glad i saw your review before pulling the trigger. looking at Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST now, for a few more greenbacks
Glad to help Asok, a real bummer with the Reynolds!
I also noticed the brake rub on mine, took me time to figure out what it was. I ended up releasing bit of brake cable pressure.
My Enve 3.4's had the same type of lateral play in them....I'd have to fully open up my brake tracks so they wouldn't rub anytime I'd stand up and pedal. I ended up getting them rebuilt (by Enve) with DT Competition spokes, which alleviated the problem and really stiffened up the wheels.
Interesting! What a strange situation that the flex is so bad that ENVE themselves have to re-build. You'd hope they learn and change their spec so it doesn't happen...
Hey James, great review! I love how you'd actually gave an honest user review rather than regurgitating marketing literature.
Do you know if the flexing would be less on the deeper ar58s?
Cheers mate, thanks for that nice comment! So, the ar58s... I can't say for sure because I've never ridden them. I will point out that deeper rims tend to be stiffer, they have similar spokes, and the rear hub looks extremely similar. Those factors suggest those wheels will have rim deflection.
I got the AR58X 3 months ago and its the same flexing. I'm going to contact Reynolds to see if they will do anything about this.
Rui Silva did you have luck?
Agreed. I am 80 kg. I got a pair of these second hand. The first ride I went on, I heard brake rub the whole way. Now I know I am not the only one...
I recently bought the ARX 41 DB version and have not experienced any of the flex. The DB version is a little wider so I don’t know if that makes any difference. I’ll also say these were some of the easiest rims I have ever set up Tubeless. I bought a set of Continental GP 5000 TL and the went on very easy.
Hey Jeff, good to hear you're not having flex problems. The guy I know who has a set of the disc version doesn't have any problems either. There's a little bit of flex but the frame clearance, and I suspect the different lacing pattern, keeps it fairly small.
Just got a set and zero flex into the pads - Maybe they fixed it......So far so good on my end!
If I change the spokes to better stiffer ones will i solve the problem
My AR 58 does this as well, any solutions?
Deal killer. Thank you.
Curious.
I was told that many other manufacturers wheels will do the same thing as these Reynolds AR’s.
Specifically Zipps and Enve’s were mentioned.
I’m considering a set of either 41’s or 58’s Assaults which I believe are the newest models.
I would appreciate any feedback you can offer.
I’m also considering the Bontrager Aeolus Pro 5’s. Any thoughts on those compared to the Reynolds?
Thank you mate
What wheel set did you settle on?
@@jorgezapata24 Reynolds AR 58’s
Love them.
I’ll try to post a picture.
2020 disc brake version here with zero flex issues…they feel pretty planted actually, even in uphill sprints
Same here.
I have a brand new set of these, not getting any offers when put up for sale...zero. Now I have to spend $400 on White Industry hubs and new build.
I have assault attack wheel set, probably from about 2008, not sure. Can anyone help to find the Reynolds documentation for those or similar?
great to get your advice on the best top 3 mid depth rims that would be great in wet weather on steep descents (Alpine descents). cheers
Ok, carbon or aluminium?
@@JustRideAdelaide Carbon
@@cliffordchaperon6795 Oh that's easy! None. Literally none. Wet carbon is terrifyingly awful. There's 3 phases to wet braking on carbon: pull the brakes hard and notice nothing is happening, slowly the water clears off the brake track while you poop your pants, you eventually start slowing down. So at that point you're left with whatever braking performance the wheels have. The best carbon braking I've had to-date is Bikebeat Uberfliegers. That review vid is next on my to-do list!
Do you hear brake rub sound from rear? Or front??
My Reynolds AR41 rubs only front ... For rear even it moves left and right, mine is still okay.
Front hub seems to have good frange spacing so something else is causing this mess..
I need to open front brake caliper untill it cannot brake in order to avoid it...
Hey Kunio, the flex on the set I used was all in the rear. The front was much less flexy
I got the same set and the rear wheel has the same issue of rim movement. Other than that, I love the all round Reynolds wheelset, especially for climbing.
Do you know if the 2020 version of these wheels have the same problem ? Thanks
I have 2020 (manufacture date 9/2020) disc version of AR41x and they are working well for me.
would this same issue exist on the disc brake version of these wheels? seems like the hubs have to be a lot stonger with the disc brake mounts
i have the disc brake version AR41X and have not had any issues with them.
how do you suppose the regular ar41 flex? do they flex so much that you would not recommend them?
It looks like they have the same spokes and similar, if not the same, hubs. I'd expect them to flex. It is tough to recommend them based on the flex.
shame to hear that but not surprised as I have quite a lot on my strikes as well. Lucky for me they are a disk brake version.
Hello James, do you recommend any 40mm wheel around 1k usd? I'm thinking about Fulcrum Wind 40C but did not find reviews about it.
Yo Lucas, couple of questions; for what genre of riding? And for rim or disc brakes?
@@JustRideAdelaide all rounder with rim brakes
@@iamkamus89 Interesting. If it were my money I'd keep it simple and get some nice alloy wheels and save some of your budget to spend on other stuff. You're right at the crossover between REALLY good alloy wheels and lower end carbon wheels which can be hit-and-miss on braking. Buuuuut if I had to choose carbon then something like the HUNT 50 CARBON WIDE AERO looks pretty sweet. Or any other Hunt that comes in your budget. Hunt does a good job optimising each part of their wheel to make pretty good performers for the price.
Ride Adelaide would you rather run fulcrum alloys wheels or Reynolds 44mm assault wheels for a cross bike used as a commuter? Cheers!
Would this be a Problem for the Disc Brake version? or is it only an issue to the Rim Brake
I have a friend with the disc brake version and they're nowhere near as flexy. I gave them the same wiggle test and they seemed much more solid. There is a brief mention of wheel flex in this Cycling Weekly article: www.cyclingweekly.com/reviews/wheels/reynolds-ar41-carbon-wheels
@@JustRideAdelaide Hi- when you say the DB version were less flexy do you mean there was still some flex in them? Is a little flex normal? Like you, I'm a light rider (about 68kg) and I'm looking at a Canyon that has the disc version of these wheels. Really don't want to waste my money! Thanks
@@charlesgraham-dixon2637 Hey Charles, yes the disc version has some flex still. I know a guy with a set on a Canyon Ultimate and I did the same thing where I pinched the rim and flexed it. There was less than the rim brake version, and disc brake frames tend to have much better clearance for the rim/tyre to move and not touch anything. He had never noticed it on his bike because it didn't rub. As for whether it's normal, it is common for stiff carbon rims. The set in this video flexes more than any other I've seen. I'd expect the set on the Canyon you're looking at to be fine, based on the friend of mine's experience and the fact he's probably 10kg heavier than you.
Just purchased a set of AR58 rim brake wheels. I've put a few hundred miles on them so far. I have noticed no flex to date. I am about 190 lbs and run a Kestral Talon X with a chainstay mounted rear brake.
Any hubs that anyone can recommend fot a 175 pound rider to fix these AR41x Reynolds wheels without dropping Chris King R45 type money? I have a brand new set that were given by Reynolds warranty agter my Reynolds Strikes had the same flex issue on rear hub/spokes. Now I know its a company/hardware issue not just a one off. Thanks James!
Hey mate, that's lucky that they warrantied your set! Ok, so hubs is an interesting question. Here's some possibilities, but I' definitely recommend doing some more research to see if they have a nice wide flange width. Something like White Industries T11, perhaps even Shimano Dura Ace hubs, and I do know a local wheel builder who uses Bitex branded hubs because they're great value for money. Then you've got something like a DTSwiss 350 that's a good workhorse, or the new Enve Alloy hub. I'd recommend talking to a wheel builder about the problems with the Reynolds to see what they recommend. Good luck!
@@JustRideAdelaide Thanks James, you said exactly the route and hubs I have been thinking of. Reynolds seems to have got "cheap" on the hubs for a few years. A well known bike shop that builds wheels told me that Reynolds would make deals with big websites like Mybikeshop (dot com) and equip the wheels with cheaper "in-house Reynolds" hubs instead of normal DT Swiss internals, so they could blow them out at $999 online. I bit on the Strike deal in 2017:/ I will probably go with the DT350's as some work horse training wheels. I appreciate your videos, you made me realize a few years back that there were more Adelaide riders to look at than just durianrider lol. Thanks mate
why did they move away from DT swiss hubs? should have left the hub design to professionals
These are dt370 hubs. Bracing angle of dt hubs isnt the best
Zipp 303 and many different carbon wheels behave the same it fully normal. Important is do Yo have brake pads rub during the ride.
Hi, what do you think of these wheels but disc brakes? None of that problem? Thanks
There seems to be less flex in the disc brake version. But there's still some flex. Disc brakes solve one problem but having the brake caliper closer to the centre of the wheel so the wheel flex won't affect the brake. The question after that is frame clearance, and whether it's enough to allow for the small flex in the wheel without having the tyre rub on the frame.
Thanks for the answer. There is enough clearence on the frame, plus I'm getting them at a 35% discount so the decision is made. I'll be back with my thoughts after I put some miles on them
Plus, I've got some pov 4k cycling videos on my channel of Colombian roads if you wanna check!
@@pepas346 what's your verdict on them now after spending some time with the DB version?
@@KiranRaszka Hi, no problem with flexing or rubbing for me with the DB version. Also, I'm an amateur user and have not tried any other carbon wheels or had experience with other road bikes and wheel combinations. I definitely noted the change from my DT Swiss p1800 aluminium wheels, not only the weight but mostly acceleration and power transfer. I would recommend the DB wheels, but again, I have no point of comparison with other carbon wheels.
I don't know anything about carbon wheels. So that flex is not normal right? If I go into a shop, I should try and move the wheel side to side?
Money saved thank yoy
Money saved ) Thank you
I recently purchased some AR41x (manufactured date was September 2020) despite this review. In fact, I think the review is a bit misleading and perhaps a bit unfair given that people with the disc brake version seem to have no issues. Also, I did the same flex test as the reviewer with my previous rims WTB aluminum rims and got a fair amount of flex with those. I have disc brakes and a Cannondale Synapse Aluminum 2019 frame. With my setup and I suspect with any disc brake bike/frame, these wheels would work great. I have a 135mm QR on the rear and everything seems to work just fine. Note that the wheels do not come with the QR end caps so you will need to buy them separately from Reynolds/Hayes ($30 USD w/tax) and they do not appear on the website site so contact their customer support and they will give you the correct part number to search up and order. Reynolds Allroads Disc Hub End Caps - 2017+
Rear - QR. Sorry, i forgot the actual part number and you need that to search. The wheels did come with end caps for 12mm front thru axle and 12mm and 15mm rear thru axles just not the QR. I am running them with tubes and Continental GP5000's. My feels ALOT more snappy with this upgraded wheel set. I think they look awesome too because they are matte black and the branding is very subtle. I like them and the people at Reynolds/Hayes were super to work with.
BTW, I am 5'9" and 180 lbs and mostly ride the steepest stuff I can find in NorCal. So lots of climbing and fast, curvy descents. I am sure I can flex some wheels at 40+ mph :-)
Did you buy the disc brake or the rim brake version?
@@JustRideAdelaide Hey there, I bought the disk brake version. In my blurb I stated that I have disc brakes. I understand that you qualified the rim brake vs the disc brake in the video and said that this may not be an issue with the disc brakes. Fair play. I do think the video gives the impression that these wheels are bad full stop. Not sure everyone catches the distinction that you made.
@@Onthebackhalf If you bought the disc brake wheels and are happy with them, then great, be happy with your wheels. It would be genuinely misleading and unfair for me to pass judgement on the disc brake wheels because I didn't use them. This is very obviously the rim brake version.
looking at the ar58x would you think they would have the same rub problem
Interesting... Reynolds wheels are supposed to have no rider with limit. And yet flex like carton.
Other wheels without weight limit are:
- Spinergy (the Stealth FCC 47 would be the set of choice for Me)
- Scope R5 (Disc) or R4 (Disc)
- Bontrager Aeolus
I hope, the latter three are more reliable then the Reynolds. Disappointing, especially for wheels supposedly without a system weight restriction. 😏
Very interesting and well made video! 😃👍
I have an eye on the Canyon Endurace 8.0 Di2 Aero with the Reynolds AR41 DB. Thanks for the info, I'll pay attention.
Are you Australian born? If so, you were the 1st who is easily to understand. But I guess your origin is somewhere else. 🤭🙃
Glad to help! My accent is unusual for where I live. I've lived my whole life in Australia but my city has a different accent to most of the rest of the country. Then again I have a different way of speaking than everyone in my city so I think I'm an outlier! I'm glad it's easy to understand though!
Vision has the same issues on lots of their wheels. Shit design that is only meant to tick weight boxes.
My DTSwiss rear hub is 53mm, my Elite (Chinese magnetic pawls) rear hub is 53.4mm, generic Chinese hubs I have laying around are 54mm. I'm not sure the 3mm difference (if you measured correctly) would induce such a flex. All wheels flex, carbon and aluminium, especially those with 24 or 20 spokes at the back wheel. I think the issue with the excessive flexing on these wheels must be elsewhere, rim design, nipple attachement to the rim.
Lastly seeing external nipples in this day and age on "aero" wheels should already be a big no no.
The narrow flange is likely one of several factors allowing the flex. The low tension spokes and super stiff rim are likely the biggest factors.
Hubs are almost certainly dt370
How do you know? By the looks?
I very nearly bought these. Also seen another review where they get brake rub out of the saddle. Thanks ill look elsewhere
Strange but intheknowcycling said the AR41 "is a stiff wheelset, seemingly stiffer than the Assault" and the braking was poor, the exact opposite to your review. However, Cycling Weekly agrees with you. "A small notch in the Reynolds’ performance was stiffness around the hub area. Big out-of-the-saddle efforts forced some brake rub, especially at the front, which I haven’t felt on other wheels used in the same bike". There's no doubt the two wheelsets you tested displayed huge lateral movement. What has been Reynolds' response?
Interesting. Well, I guess they called it is they experienced it. I dunno if there's a difference between the AR 41 and the AR 41 X maybe. I didn't hear anything from Reynolds directly, I dealt with their Australian distributor. They were surprised by the flex I reported, but I've since heard from other people who tested the wheels on the same Time bike I did and there was universal agreement that they flexed like crazy.
Thanks for the review I now won’t be buying.
Well, that's a turn-off.
AVOID REYNOLDS JUNK.
I have their carbon wheels for 3 years. After being in DRY storage for over a year, not being used at all, all the spokes corroded at the cross junction and several spokes snapped. This is not galvanic corrosion from two different metals. They did not warranty the wheels. I had to replace the spokes at my own cost.
how do we know those were Reynolds? all we were shown is a view from the top.
Did you notice in the video that his hand covers up the whole rear hub while showing it against the brake. I don't see any of the Reynolds logos through out the whole video. If your going to trash a wheel & the company you better back it up by showing more, dont you think. Please really pay attention to the video and look for any Reynolds showing while he demonstrating.
There are Reynolds logos through the whole video when the bike is static for every product shot. There are logos very clearly on both the rim and hub. But you're implying that I'm reviewing some non-Reynolds wheel in order to...what exactly? Smear Reynolds? And your evidence is the hub logo isn't visible when I flex the wheel? Why?
@@JustRideAdelaide The only shots you show are the wheels braced together and the wheels on the bike stationary. Why is your hand covering the complete hub shot twice while your showing the how much flex against the brake. Why not show the hub while your doing it to prove that those are the wheels your claiming are that bad. Slow your video down to prove that your riding those exact wheel. Yes, I think your slamming Reynolds wheels. I've forwarded your video to a friend of mine who's the rep for Reynolds in the USA. If you google the reviews on these wheels both of the bad reviews are from you & another company in Australia. Maybe theres a reason why your getting shipped the shitty ones..🤣🤣
@@jimvolkenant7272 Jim I can't "prove" anything if you start from such an absurd accusation and set a ridiculous burden of "proof". You've already decided I'm wrong based on not being able to see a logo in a few seconds of the video.
These wheels came from the Australian Reynolds distributor. People working for the distributor have checked them. I dealt directly with their brand rep. I did this exact demonstration to an independent wheel builder. Other people have ridden the exact Time bike, with Reynolds wheels, you see in this video and reported them flexy. Reynolds themselves are plenty aware of this video. They can easily get back both exact sets that I used if they want. They have all of the serial numbers on them. Other owners who bought them have confirmed theirs flex too, repeatedly.
Although I love the logic in your reasoning, my friend is a rep therefore you are wrong, I actually had the exact same experience as James on these wheels. The flex was so noticeable that I had to change out these wheels for a local hill climb as the rubbing was so bad. Looking forward to your video explaining that there is no issue with them and everyone who has reviewed the wheels is wrong.
Good grief. Seriously?
Dumb review. All rim brake wheels flex. Tighten up your ti-skewers as tight as possible. Reynolds hubs are made by Taiwanese KT industry. They are stiff and reliable
Did you watch the review? I said the rim stiffness overcomes the low spoke tension which is made more vulnerable to flex by the narrow hub flange width. Obviously the hub itself doesn't flex, and tightening the skewer fixes nothing.
Yes. Indeed, I did. My words came out strong.. Having said that, don’t wish to offend you or your channel. However, been a good UA-camr and global citizen, please put out the “correct” information to educate new riders and the average consumers. And of course you are entitled to have your opinion. But, state that it is your opinion only, instead of acting like a pro bike/wheels engineer. Now, I have carbon-ti hubs and the older zipp hubs. They are 2x laced on the drive-side and 1x laced on the none-drive-side. Then it does require the longer flange-to- center (width) design. The typical 2x n’ 2x radial laced wheels allowed the manufacturers to design narrower hubs and higher flange. I used from ENVE 5.6, HED carbon tubulars, custom build zipp 808 FC and 108 tubulars, Zipp 404 NSW TL, Roval 50 TL and the Reynolds AR 41x. All these rim brake wheels (except AR41X) uses Sapim CX-Ray and they all flex. Some hubs even have complex pre-load adjustor which have both flexes and a bit of play. Is it a bad thing? No, it’s just engineering... it allows some flex on the wheelset to accommodate super stiff frameset, heavy loads, the Alaps and crit sprints.
@@G5performance I stand by my information. I based it on the analysis of a wheel builder with 30 years experience who assessed this exact set of wheels and diagnosed the problem as I communicated it.