Is Reso by Mastering The Mix a Soothe 2 killer?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Reso by Mastering The Mix is a resonance suppressor with it's own specific strengths.
Can this plugin be better than Soothe2?
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00:00 Intro
00:33 Setting all frequency points manually
01:30 Hear the difference on Electric guitar
01:48 The Automated Target Frequency Detection
02:48 Resonance suppressing vs eq notch on snare
03:25 The positives
03:51The somewhat negatives
04:09 Is Reso better than Soothe 2?
#whitenoisestudio
That looks like an interesting little time saver! Cheers mate
yes!
Cool! Need this tool! Thanks.
and thank you for watching!
Thank you so much!!!!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Amazing tutorial mate!!!! I agree that I would not say " KILLER " but rather a different tool as you have said. It really looks promising. Thank you for the video and also amazing thumbnail :)
Yeah it does that resonance removing really well. The right tool for the right job. right ;-)
As always, great review ... I'd love to know what your favourite plugins are ... maybe do a video on that ?
Great suggestion! Would it be worthwhile to know what mine are? I really think everyone should find their own favorites.
thanks for this video...
Most welcome and thank YOU for watching!
Badass 💧⛽🦇
Great video!! And your comparison with "soothe", makes good sense. :)
Thanks! Yeah i thought that made most sense given what this plugin does.
@@whitenoisestudio Indeed!
@@Cefshah booooom! ;-)
Hi, just a question. I can't find a way to save a preset in RESO (without the help of the DAW). I mean, there isn't any "save preset" button in RESO itself, right?
Great demo and also the callout of "realtime" adjustment is the key thing to identify. I think this is great for material that stays constant, but for very dynamic material like vocals, most likely not a good candidate (where Soothe really shines)
Thanks!
Yeah if you want something which is adjusting to the material, this isn't the plugin for you. Fully agree with what you say.
I love soothe, use frequently. But room resonances (modes) are static, they don’t change, whether it’s a vocal or something “constant”. As such, I often dial in static resonance removal when needed, which still tends to beat soothe for egregious situations with big room mode issues.
Thanks for your great presentation of this new plugin. Could you give some information about cpu usage and does it cause latency? Thanks :)
Thank you for your kind words! Much appreciated :-) I measure 64ms latency in cubase and cpu usage is neglectable on my system. So very low.
Also latency is only an issue when you use it realtime / during tracking. Normally any latency will be compensated by your DAW during mixing. I personally would never use a plugin like this during tracking.
@@whitenoisestudio thanks a lot, you are very nice. Yes, I asked for tracking purposes. I usually do not use such plugins for tracking, but if you have some latency heavy plugins on some tracks, it can affect all tracks during tracking. I track a lot and have a fast workflow, that's why I do not like Acustica Audio plugins, I do not like freezing and unfreezing later again to make some more tweaking or adjustments. I am going to demo it. Thanks :)
@@whitenoisestudio plugins that automatically detect problem areas in realtime, like soothe, can not be used nicely in realtime, because obviously they need to gather some audio data to make adjustments for lookahead in the background to ensure the best quality and stuff. but this plugin seperates the capturing process from the processing processes, so i'd argue it is very likely that it has a much lower latency, maybe even no latency at all, but it depends on the architecture of its filters. 64ms of latency means it's more than 3x the latency that is audible to the human ear so the filters are probabaly not of the lower latency type, but i could imagine them adding a low latency feature since that would make a considerable difference to soothe
How much latency does Reso introduce?
Get to know the differences and simularities between Gullfoss vs Soothe 2 vs Smooth Operator vs Teote vs DSEQ 3 ua-cam.com/video/7fdFe7q2B_o/v-deo.html
What is your favorite Resonance Suppressor?
To clarify and I needed to point that out in the video:
Reso's frequency autodetect is not the same as pro q 3's spectral grab option.
Reso looks for resonances in comparison to surrounding frequencies where pro q 3 simple looks at peaks in the spectrum.
That difference is important and also is what makes reso so transparent.
Waves Manny Marroquin Triple D.
Whenever I need it, it helps. And some TDR plugins have a resonance suppressing feature with auto detection, too
@@najinelson6742 thanks for letting us know!
@@najinelson6742 Triple D it's simple dynamic EQ with fixed frequencies, it has absolutely nothing to do with mentioned plugins
@@checktheneck and also thanks for letting everyone know that!
I need to update this pinned comment to point out a few things. People assume too much without paying attention what it actually does.
The amount of ''this is like pro q3'' comments is also amazing.
@@checktheneck I do not analyse plugins to death, more important is whether it's good for your workflow and production, whatever it is, more important is what you can do with it and whenever I have some unpleasant frequencies Manny Marroquin helps me, whether it's boominess, harshness or unpleasant resonances. I do not use it a lot, because I rarely have some unpleasant sounds, I focus more on the recording/tracking set up (mic position, room treatment, distance to mics and appropriate hardware gear and also correct performance with percussion, vocals, amps or acoustic guitars) . I know all of the mentioned plugins, but was not inspired to buy one yet, for sure they are also good, but especially Soothe and Gullfoss made it sound too unnatural for me. That's just my experience and opinion.
Btw Manny Marroquin does not have fixed frequency, that's completely wrong, there are three knobs with different frequency ranges to cover all you need from low to mid to high and the best thing is there is no distraction by some visual frequency spectrum and you will have to use your ears, sometimes it's also good to use one's ears and not only eyes when it's about music.
You can create drone sounds from the delta :)
;-)
How does this plugin tell the difference between a peak that is the fundamental or part of the actual sound... and something unwanted ? I mean if the whole band hits a big A chord... that root note will show up as very high peaks. I am confused whether it just finds the highest peaks... or actually helps identify "problematic resonances"? I have not read anything that shows me it does not just find peaks that poke up. It might be helpful to show a real life recording with some whistling/ringing tones or something to show it actually identify them and see it work. I own most of MTM plugins and love them... but I'd like to know if these type of plugins can actually find problems. IS the goal just to iron out the many peaks in a mix... or does it somehow "find" the ones that are actual problems. Thanks
''- Look for disproportionately high peaks in the visual display'' That is what the plugin does.
The scenario you sketch can be seen in two ways: the band plays that big A chord, but their voicings are do well so every one play a different frequency. If everyone plays the same note i/e frequency that will give a buildup at the rootfrequency and that will reso see as resonance, and frankly, I would turn down that notch as well. If that chord results in an overall loudness increase without the root frequency sticking out, then all is good.
In my experience the plugin can find resonance like fizz in guita amps easily, so that's very handy.
the whole selling point of this plugin compared to traditional dynamic eqs seems to be that it can automatically detect resonances in the captured audio. but everytime i watch a video about this plugin when the presenter attempts to vertically drag a knot it also wiggles around horizontally a bit messing with the exact frequencies that have been found by that algorithm. i suppose holding some modifier key locks the vertical drags? but if that's the case it should be made more obvious since obv everyone misses that feature
Valid points. Controls are pretty sensitive.
Yep, I own the plugin and this annoys me every time. Haven't read the manual yet though so hopefully theres a way around it
@@VirtualVolition I havent found them yet
Ctrl & shift keys lock vertically and horizontally
Killer tutorial as always, Marlon!
Thanks ED!
Short this one is. ( say with Yoda voice)
In my review, I found RESO to be most effective if you widen the Q a bit. But! In their 1.0.1 update, I verified they actually did widen the Q a bit! The user will hear more immediate results now, so I feel better recommending it. However, it's still kinda buggy...I put it in the Smooth Operator league.
You could always adjust the q in Reso. Too wide isn’t good as well, that will seriously affect the audio in a negative way :-)
@@whitenoisestudio You could definitely always adjust it. But they widened the global Q slightly in the update. Plus it's smoother to adjust the Q with the mouse. Thanks for the great video!
Спасибо. Но не хватает сравнения нагрузки на процессор с другими плагинами.
read the comments here where i make a comment on CPU usage. Not relevant in this case.
Fab filter q3 node suggestions to remove resonance frequencies works the same no?
Fab filter q3 node suggestions ? Where is that button?
Not quite. Pro q3 find obvious loud peaks with spectrum grab while this plugin finds resonances in relation to the surrounding audio.
You can see that the nodes auto created in RESO are not automatically on the peaks.
Probably meaning the spectrum grab option in Pro Q3, which is something different than how RESO operates.
In manual mode it seems much the same as using dynamic bands in Pro-Q3.
True, only maybe a bit simpeler to use. I prefer the monitor mode in Reso to find resonances.
@@whitenoisestudio You could also place an instance of SPAN on the same track to do this monitoring with a free plugin as well.
A dynamic EQ (that's not specifically meant for resonance suppression per se) would be a better comparison than the static EQ example, but nice video nonetheless
nah, most people would use a static eq notch for that. just showing the difference in sound without comparing.
@@whitenoisestudio hm that's true, guess it's inteded to be educational for the less experienced producers/audio engineers as well, in which case I have no objections
hehe. Yeah it's more the obvious difference. Dynamic EQ is very advanced for most novices.
Soooo.. it's fabfilter eq3 without the eq..
Noooooo ;-)
Pro q3 find obvious loud peaks while this plugin finds resonances in relation to the surrounding audio. You can see that the nodes auto created in RESO are not automatically on the peaks.
If you go in manual in pro q3 you will get the same results, no question about that. The automated frequency detection is what makes this plugin stand out. It checks the audio differently than spectrum grab of pro q3.
Well the auto mode didn't really work did it because it missed one of the worst offenders in the lower range. Once you fixed it though it was WAY better than a static EQ.
That's so cool. Still trying to be better than a novice. It's coming along for me, though.
Slow and steady wins the race!
Any latency when using this plug in? I've tried DSEQ3 and Soothe 2 demos but both create latency.
64ms of latency. No good for tracking through.
This is not a plug-in to use real-time, at least I won’t do that. With offline usage your daw’s latency compensation should take care of any latency normally.
I wouldn’t use any of those plugins during tracking.
I hate to admit it, ive used Soothe since its launch and championed it... For time and ease of use, Reso is smashing it, absolutley smashing it.. However, there are times Smoothe2 just needs to be used and if there's time allowing it;s a go to plugin..
its mostly when you need static reduction that reso works great. Soothe2 is ideal for battling changing and dynamic resonance
My budget is tight and now I don't know which one I need
What do you need and between which ones are you choosing?
@@whitenoisestudio Now I'm between this one and DSEQ 3
dseq3 is the best !
Hahaha, you're favorite I assume?
Indeed it's not .....a CPU hungry plugin it is yes and more expensive
I prefer Soothe 2 for the resonance suppression.
DSEQ3 is better.
correction: In your opinion, you think DSEQ 3 is the better one ;-) And that's fine!
I hope not I bought Soothe 2
No worries there ;-)
when it will end ir plugin scene? Each month new "gamechanging" plugin, which will "change your worklow....bla bla bla"
replace plugin with ''screwdriver''. See no-one complain about too many screwdrivers.
@@whitenoisestudio ok, but its not so easy - you have to learn it and get used to new plugins,find "sweet spots", etc. In todays paradigma, when many producers are already doing much themselves - composition, mixing, mastering, recording, social media management etc, this wave of new software needs to be calmed by self discipline - not to install every new plugin, which promises something, again.
It’s as with any other tool ( because plugins are tools ) get comfortable with a few and then keep an eye open what may suite you. And you’re right, read through the marketing bs which only feeds FOMO.
I mean can't u do this with any equaliser? That's what EQs are for. All these plugins sound so gimmicky to me I have to be honest... plus the entire idea by which resonance should be something to suppress is just bonkers... resonance is becoming the new gluten lately ;) I mean I can get it if we are talking voiceovers but for music u pay Abbey Road to capture that special ambiance... u buy a stradivari for its unbelievable harmonics and then u suppress them? Why would anyone do that (assuming these plugins CAN actually do that)? Wake up guys this is marketing, learn how to use an EQ and spend money on a music theory lesson fgsake ! Peace. Love.
Love this! Can’t say I disagree. Resonance suppression does seem to be the new buzzword, and not all resonances are bad; after all, why do synths have a ‘resonance’ knob, and why do certain guitars carry exorbitant price tags? Because resonance is a fundamental quality of sound. Having said that, what these sorts of plugins are aiming to fix, are unpleasant spikes that are disproportionately loud, creating an imbalance (sibilance is also a kind of resonance, and we’ve used de-essers for ages). A good algorithm would be able to find those, and that’s where plugins like these live or die.
It’s not going to magically fix a bad recording, but it might help you soften an otherwise clangy accoustic guitar or snare. Recorded music has always depended on technology. The march carries on.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know much about mixing.
EQ, doesn't always get the job done. Sometimes you *need* a certain amount of the "harsh" frequencies, so taking them out with EQ could hurt the parts that don't have resonances out of control. Yes, sometimes EQ does the trick, but sometimes it's more complicated and requires a more complicated plugin to fix. For example, a harsh hi hat frequency that you can't take out because it'll make the rest of the cymbals/overheads sound bad without it. Or the shrill of a bad room when certain notes are hit. Simply notch-removing frequencies can have worse results in the end if there's too much needing to be fixed.
Also, music theory has nothing to do with mixing. Maybe wake up and learn what you yourself are spouting
Finally please ...jerks from soothe2 been milking...overcharging without settling for $50....i stead 259.... Payback is coming...lol
jerks? NAh. You know , in my opinion the pricing Oeksound asks is actually a fair one regarding r&d and keeping a company running.
It's just we got spoiled with all these 29,99 plugins and more. Smaller companies can't keep up with that.
@@whitenoisestudio true - at this point I'd be happy with 125, but you're right, we are getting distorted prices.
Also fair point. :-) 125 seems healthy