Will Loving testifies about Alex Murdaugh and family: full video

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  • @VictoriaMarch13
    @VictoriaMarch13 Рік тому +505

    I seriously have an unhealthy obsession with this case even though he's been found guilty. I have been watching everything I can find on the matter. Lord help me.

    • @lizzieball3795
      @lizzieball3795 Рік тому +36

      Same!

    • @minapane
      @minapane Рік тому +32

      Me too, Girl!

    • @abc-wv4in
      @abc-wv4in Рік тому +43

      It's hard to grasp how one family could be involved in so many evil acts.

    • @daliacruz2197
      @daliacruz2197 Рік тому +18

      Same here !

    • @MissEvv77
      @MissEvv77 Рік тому +38

      🤦🏾‍♀️I'm just as guilty. It's one of the saddest and cruelest cases, ever. I started watching when Alex started testifying ("test-i-lying")and have been binge watching ALL of the testimonies ever since. I'm very impressed with the judge. I felt I was in church when he started the sentencing portion. May our Heavenly Father continue to strengthen and comfort all of those impacted so negatively by these murders. I am equally sad for the families of Mallory Beach and Stephen Smith, whose lives were cut short by association with this family.🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿😔😔😔

  • @daliacruz2197
    @daliacruz2197 Рік тому +84

    The way this young man smiled hearing his friend’s voice is so sweet .

    • @ElizaLou75
      @ElizaLou75 11 днів тому

      This stuck with me even to this day. So sad. It sounded like Paul could be such a nice person but alcohol and lack of boundaries and direction ruined his life and his victims' lives.

  • @diane9247
    @diane9247 Рік тому +385

    The judge in this case is outstanding. Very calm, and perhaps more intelligent than anyone else in the court.

    • @DEAH-01
      @DEAH-01 Рік тому +37

      He recently lost his child while residing over this trial 🙏

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy Рік тому +20

      @@DEAH-01 What?! I don't know how he is continuing with this trial.

    • @amyhenningsgard8618
      @amyhenningsgard8618 Рік тому +11

      @@DEAH-01 😭

    • @oldrvr
      @oldrvr Рік тому +6

      @@DEAH-01 😢🙏

    • @TheDaskell
      @TheDaskell Рік тому +15

      Poor man, that’s just awful.😢.

  • @ASMR4calmmoods
    @ASMR4calmmoods Рік тому +29

    Anyone else annoyed they don’t get a shorter chair for that mic, or a taller mic for that chair?!

  • @margo3367
    @margo3367 Рік тому +173

    He testified that he could recognize Alex’s voice on the video at the kennels. That’s two strikes against him.

    • @pelicanvibe
      @pelicanvibe Рік тому +4

      That’s not the same guy. That was Rogan Gibson

    • @margo3367
      @margo3367 Рік тому +25

      @@pelicanvibe He also said he recognized Alex’s voice (and Maggie’s and Paul’s). He said he was sure 100%. 32:18

    • @anna3036
      @anna3036 Рік тому +3

      So where in the video is Alex's voice? No one says.

    • @trish818
      @trish818 Рік тому +9

      @Anna he is talking to one of the dogs at first and then again talking to the dog that has a chicken in its mouth.

    • @dianealarcon8304
      @dianealarcon8304 Рік тому +19

      Gibson, Loving, Alex’s lawyer friend, and housekeeper. 4 people verify his voice, so far. Alex 🤥

  • @timothybernadettedekker9981
    @timothybernadettedekker9981 Рік тому +263

    Polite young man, sorry you lost your friend 😢

    • @patriciaflores2776
      @patriciaflores2776 Рік тому +6

      Agree

    • @margomalik181
      @margomalik181 Рік тому

      PAUL DESERVED WHAT HE GOT. HE KILLED PEOPLE AND DIDNT CARE AT ALL. THE FATHER EVEN HATED HIM

    • @leeanndoan7002
      @leeanndoan7002 Рік тому +8

      To be fair he is on the witness stand did you expect him to not be on good behavior? I have a feeling these boys are not so polite and pretty badly behaved. Maybe all this tragedy will change that.

    • @jadedoe9966
      @jadedoe9966 Рік тому +9

      @@leeanndoan7002 who cares about your feeling lol

    • @wishingyoupeace
      @wishingyoupeace Рік тому +6

      @@leeanndoan7002 why? He seems sincere and hard working.

  • @Jane-qp4mo
    @Jane-qp4mo Рік тому +123

    I am an attorney and am still waiting for the defense to ask something significant. The defense attorney is just wasting time asking questions that don't help at all.

    • @gaylestephenson9847
      @gaylestephenson9847 Рік тому +10

      I agree. I am not an attorney, but why are all the questions about the $$$? When will they try to nail down one speck of information about WHO killed his wife and son.... who had probably already been told he was stealing, and were pushed into an argument where they told Alec tht he was going to jail and they would not be there to wait for him.... that is why he grabbed his son's gun and shot them with it. They were trying to get away from him.... he was already in a rage, you can tell by how he barked at the dog to GIT AWAY!!!! He was being backed into a corner by his long suffering wife and son, and turned his vile anger onto them. This is being programmed for a movie. Now they know Alec was there with his wife and son, wan angry, maybe they are just tying up looe ends. Heartbreaking Loss of two innocent wonderful people by a control freak.

    • @imaginempress3408
      @imaginempress3408 Рік тому +2

      👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @lindaf4369
      @lindaf4369 Рік тому +12

      Yes, the Prosecutor is better at communicating exactly what he's trying to express and in a way that lay people can understand. The defense lawyer is bumbling. Just a sad state of affairs as far as the defense team. SMH

    • @scooterallen1834
      @scooterallen1834 Рік тому +10

      And they just lost the case with the GM evidence yesterday. Game over

    • @lydiakinnaman3679
      @lydiakinnaman3679 Рік тому +3

      If a any he keeps reminding the damming points of the prosecution side. And to comes across as grasping for strawa. !

  • @colleendana4074
    @colleendana4074 Рік тому +58

    So sorry for this young man, who clearly loved his friend.
    Watching him watch the video @55:49, the smile that comes over his face as he hears his friend’s laugh, those are the memories to hang onto.

    • @irisramsey62
      @irisramsey62 10 місяців тому +4

      It is so amazing that they had so many close friends and family members that truly cared for the family! So many have had their hearts crushed and hard to imagine how they can ever 💔 get past all the devastating memories! ONLY by the Grace of God!❤

  • @Camry586
    @Camry586 Рік тому +73

    I don’t think the brother shows much emotion either given this horrific set of circumstances. I feel that he’s more like father and Paul more like the mother

    • @reliza93
      @reliza93 Рік тому +16

      He's scary looking. Zero emotion.

    • @myrnadoss2705
      @myrnadoss2705 Рік тому +20

      Buster looks smug, like his father

    • @kathynj6479
      @kathynj6479 Рік тому +8

      Buster looks numb to me. His dad was a drug addict and showing pain can trigger them. So kids either act out or numb out even though they churn deep inside. I hope he gets help.

    • @kimberley1449
      @kimberley1449 Рік тому +5

      That is something I noticed. Most normal people don't want to hear the details of their loved ones brutal death. And from the tv screen buster never tears or lowered his head and literally listened to it nearly every day. Very strange behavior

    • @california_grown
      @california_grown Рік тому +1

      I wonder what Buster is thinking? Also who was Buster accused of flipping off?

  • @laurensvibe8464
    @laurensvibe8464 Рік тому +32

    His smile when he heard his friend’s voice is priceless 😢

  • @lauracandygirl963
    @lauracandygirl963 Рік тому +181

    He's so cute. My heart melted when he smiled seeing or hearing his friends voice. Seems like very nice young man. I hope he can get past this and have a good life.

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones Рік тому +4

      You don't wonder where the drugs were coming from?
      Just asking. Tens of thousands of dollars in drug profits will pay for a lot of expensive toys...
      Clearly we're still missing a lot of details. Personal details.

    • @karenbeee4568
      @karenbeee4568 Рік тому +10

      He is adorable but at 26 he already looks as though too much drinking is catching up to him.

    • @Saylor_On_Shore
      @Saylor_On_Shore Рік тому +5

      He is so handsome and likable! The Murdaughs really had the best people around them and in their lives. It almost makes country life seem idyllic. Except for of course, all the murder and swindling and who knows what else.

    • @daniele5493
      @daniele5493 Рік тому +1

      🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

    • @normac9931
      @normac9931 Рік тому

      Agreed.

  • @CSJ2011now
    @CSJ2011now Рік тому +304

    This friends testimony broke my heart. You can tell he misses his friend and loved his friends family.

    • @amandawalden6319
      @amandawalden6319 Рік тому +16

      I'm with you 💯 %

    • @spicyirwin5835
      @spicyirwin5835 Рік тому +16

      I didnt even know Paul & Ive been fighting tears. Paul not seeing his dad shoot him in the back of his head is the only blessing. Paul loved his dad so much that he mirrored him. Will was a great friend to Paul. Who had ADHD like me so I get him!

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +22

      @@spicyirwin5835 there are MANY videos of Paul, that show us his character, and he was NOT such a nice guy...time to take off the Rose coloured lenses......but yes, I love Will too..wonder if he got to buy the house after all that he was planning to. Have you by chance seen "Timmy"?

    • @surferbetty3248
      @surferbetty3248 Рік тому +6

      @@spicyirwin5835 Just wondering how you know he was shot in the back of his head???
      I’ve been trying to follow this case but have been so busy. Did they say exactly how they think Alex shot them????

    • @bambinaforever1402
      @bambinaforever1402 Рік тому +6

      Yeah, who else he will mooch off now

  • @zenobiadecrespin7561
    @zenobiadecrespin7561 Рік тому +194

    I really like this witness he seems aware of details and is well spoken. I swore I would not get invested in this case....yeah that didn't work.

    • @debijo5288
      @debijo5288 Рік тому +19

      Me too, now I'm glued to it.

    • @lulabell79_31
      @lulabell79_31 Рік тому +12

      Same!

    • @justanothersmith6012
      @justanothersmith6012 Рік тому +26

      I’m trying to avoid it right now . Just looking at a few clips. I live in Charleston. My family has been here for generations . I know some of the peripheral people. No one directly involved.
      I love to watch trials but not this one .
      If Alex gets away with this I will lose my mind. 🤯

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +11

      I agree. Seems like a good kid too.

    • @Chelle-kd1po
      @Chelle-kd1po Рік тому +11

      Same!

  • @robinettbanister1236
    @robinettbanister1236 Рік тому +147

    Mr Loving obviously cared very much for his friend Paul and misses him. He smiles when he hears his voice and sees his face on the videos. It looks to be difficult to testify and have to testify.

    • @bambinaforever1402
      @bambinaforever1402 Рік тому +2

      Yeah, who else he will mooch off now

    • @robinettbanister1236
      @robinettbanister1236 Рік тому +23

      @Bambina Forever how very cruel and uncaring. They are young. Still trying to figure out life. Paul made a horrible mistake. Look what was molding his character ... he didn't have a chance to grow enough to escape and become his own man.

    • @margomalik181
      @margomalik181 Рік тому

      PAUL KILLED A GIRL AND LAUGHED ABOUT IT. ARE YOU STUPID.

    • @robinettbanister1236
      @robinettbanister1236 Рік тому +4

      @Margo malik There is NO reason for you to be rude to me.

    • @margomalik181
      @margomalik181 Рік тому +2

      @@robinettbanister1236 YES THERE IS

  • @paularandall2798
    @paularandall2798 Рік тому +109

    I feel sorry for the dogs

    • @suzum.9713
      @suzum.9713 Рік тому +12

      What I want to know is, Where were the dogs during this? What did they see? How did they react? What were they acting like after the deaths? Did they howl? What were the dogs doing during the 911 call? What were the dogs doing when the authorities got there? Did the dogs try to alert the people that something sinister happened? Did any of the dogs get shot/injured?

    • @Harley57
      @Harley57 Рік тому

      @@suzum.9713 the dogs are hunting dogs, so gunshots & blood wouldn’t bother them. The dogs started barking when LE was there that night, but later the dog handler asked LE if he could feed them, once they were feed they seemed fine.

    • @suzum.9713
      @suzum.9713 Рік тому +1

      @Harleyrider Thankyou.

    • @lindaf4369
      @lindaf4369 Рік тому +11

      As do I..poor babies

    • @graceandpeace4414
      @graceandpeace4414 Рік тому +10

      @@suzum.9713 I believe Blanca says she currently have Bubba and Grady

  • @angelac3788
    @angelac3788 Рік тому +90

    Alex thought about trying to delete that Snap video...he didn't know about the 2nd video...why would you care about your sons phone when his brain was by his ankles? Monster

    • @NomadChristian
      @NomadChristian Рік тому +1

      How would you know?

    • @jutru8782
      @jutru8782 Рік тому +1

      Well said

    • @tricetaylor7918
      @tricetaylor7918 Рік тому

      He's disgusting

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +5

      @@NomadChristian they are speculating just like everyone else. And I think they are explaining it very well

    • @Elegant_Sausage
      @Elegant_Sausage Рік тому +11

      It is curious why the sons phone would even be a thought in the father's head at that moment. Very strange. Did he ever explain why he was getting Paul's phone? I can't remember if he mentioned why

  • @Lucy-pj7cx
    @Lucy-pj7cx Рік тому +17

    The Murdaughs had such a casual relationship with firearms. I am pro-2nd Amendment and think people should own guns (and I have no problem with hunting for sport, target shooting, etc), but you cannot ever lose respect for the danger that guns pose.
    In all of the testimony, I notice a repeated pattern demonstrating that the Murdaughs (Alex and Paul in particular) treated weapons with a casual apathy that is not at all befitting of responsible gun ownership. It is just another revealing trait in this family: treating everything in their life with a certain amount of disdain & contempt. They had their little collections of people and things-everything boiled down to the family name and materialism. And when Maggie and Paul (who were mere commodities to Alex) outlived their usefulness to him, he made use of another family commodity (his guns) to get rid of them. It’s horrifying.

    • @rca6576
      @rca6576 Місяць тому

      I am not as avid as you are that everyone should own guns. There are a lot of people that shouldn't! However, we do own guns, two exactly because we lived in the country for years and needed them around the property. They were always, always secured and never once anywhere that a child could get ahold of them. Your comment is really insightful.

  • @tryingndoing
    @tryingndoing Рік тому +131

    How devastating. What a heart break. Poor kid. I hope he can stay on track of life and learn some lessons from this experience as he already has shown compassion and loyalty. May he be blessed!

  • @tye829
    @tye829 Рік тому +41

    This witness comes across as very believable and likable. This must be extremely difficult for him but he isn’t “hostile” with either side, isn’t trying to force any narrative, and is just telling the truth. Both sides got something out of him-with him saying he was sure Alex’s voice was on the video, while also saying Alex had a great relationship with Paul and Maggie.

  • @barbarellamaclure8382
    @barbarellamaclure8382 Рік тому +24

    Love his deep affection for his friend. Poor young fella, having to go through this... Let's hope he can move on without too much of a struggle.

  • @marymalady462
    @marymalady462 Рік тому +39

    I just thank God Paul had that video on his phone!! Prayers for this young man.🙏

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones Рік тому

      Good riddance. Ugly spawn of a piece of wealthy, dishonest, garbage.
      Recording evidence of his father's evil? "Nothing so became him..."

  • @katetruthseeker2758
    @katetruthseeker2758 Рік тому +147

    I feel awful for Mr. Loving. My heart goes out to him.

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +5

      I truly ADORE this kid more and more every day - he needs to realize HOW IMPORTANT he is to this case.....

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones Рік тому +1

      @@MysticFIREFLY
      This "kid," his gun-totin' good ol' buddy, did nothing about his addiction for several financially crucial years.

  • @maryqc8418
    @maryqc8418 Рік тому +105

    Don't look good for this guy, does it.. he knows it too. God, It'd break your heart to be a good family friend to these folks and have to go through this. I mean it.

    • @GM-cq6ez
      @GM-cq6ez Рік тому +2

      Birds of a feather ...

    • @bbe3034
      @bbe3034 Рік тому +18

      I definitely think Alex Murdaugh killed his wife Maggie and his son Paul. Maggie wanted a divorce and Paul had been in boating accident. Paul was drunk, hit a huge piling under a bridge and Mallory Beech, who was only 19, was thrown from the boat at 1am as they were headed back from an oyster boil. Sadly her body wasn’t found for 5 days. 😢There were 4 couples on the boat, including Paul and all 7 were begging Paul to slow down. And Alex was being sued for her death. In Alex’s mind, Maggie and Paul were liabilities. The boat didn’t even have lights on it. Court TV UA-cam is covering this case. I think tonight they will be evaluating the trial today at 8pm central time.

    • @Elegant_Sausage
      @Elegant_Sausage Рік тому +2

      @@jarrodreaves243 lol, bet she did right away with that smooth line huh 🤣

    • @vernareed2692
      @vernareed2692 Рік тому

      @@bbe3034 and hasn't it been proven that Alec cheated clients out of lots of money for years? And I really believe the maid/nanny was murdered!! Seems like even some partners and other lawyers familiar with the generations of murdaugh lawyers of corruption, doing favors,etc.

    • @forpetessake3532
      @forpetessake3532 Рік тому +1

      @@jarrodreaves243 u sick - it’s a murder trial !

  • @robbieh.chafin6202
    @robbieh.chafin6202 Рік тому +47

    These young men that have been testifying are so polite. They always say yes sir, no sir thank you and please. I'm a retired woman and these are the manners that we were taught and it's nice to see that they're still young people with manners.

    • @lenaprice6239
      @lenaprice6239 Рік тому +10

      They say, "yes sir, no sir," on the stand, but they were the furthest thing from gentlemen. If you watch the netflix documentary, they spent much of their time drinking very heavily and fighting/bullying other people. Much of their drinking was allowed and encouraged by Alex and Maggie Murdaugh.

    • @riverwear
      @riverwear Рік тому +8

      Yes sir/ no sir is a cultural expectation in this part of the US. but the usage varies a lot depending on whether they think they’re speaking to their ‘equals’ or ‘betters’ or not.

    • @gailgibson8617
      @gailgibson8617 Рік тому

      omg

    • @larrygro
      @larrygro Рік тому +3

      You mean if I say “ yes sir” or “ yes ma’am” all of my sins from the night before are forgiven? Nice!

    • @Lumberton60
      @Lumberton60 Рік тому +1

      Most SC and NC people say that, even older people say it. I still do even to people who are younger than me.

  • @jedilegoarts9882
    @jedilegoarts9882 Рік тому +42

    Not sure I’d be yawning and looking smug if it were my dads trial for killing my family… weird.

    • @cathyprosser1050
      @cathyprosser1050 Рік тому +3

      Exactly! I wouldn't even be seen in that courtroom sitting behind him as if in support of. Maybe he really loves his dad and that's great but I would imagine he loved his mom and brother too and he's got to have realized his dad is very likely their killer.

    • @patsygodfrey9565
      @patsygodfrey9565 Рік тому +3

      I noticed that too!

  • @kac4klhc977
    @kac4klhc977 Рік тому +117

    Why do the AC guys alway put the ac box in the worst places possible?! I’m sure they had a hundred placed to put it, but no, let’s put above the head where witnesses sit. Things like this annoy me when absolutely no thought goes into a job.

    • @jocobb1888
      @jocobb1888 Рік тому +12

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +8

      LoL. I never noticed that until you said it.

    • @tawnacampbell2978
      @tawnacampbell2978 Рік тому +18

      Happy to knows it not just me and my OCD!!!

    • @dontbelieveeverythingyouth9863
      @dontbelieveeverythingyouth9863 Рік тому +10

      Yes it immediately distracted me. It lacks logic that it would be placed there. And worse that it remains there and hasn’t been moved. Or perhaps their greatest concern is the comfort of the witness and judge.

    • @deannajack6755
      @deannajack6755 Рік тому +14

      It has been driving me nuts since the start of this trial...
      I want to check what the temperature is, see if it should be adjusted. Put it directly above their heads. It is just completely WRONG.

  • @Grandee7585
    @Grandee7585 Рік тому +49

    I want to yell to defense attorneys, “Get to the point!”

    • @lotsoffun-jb1es
      @lotsoffun-jb1es Рік тому +2

      The jurors don't have all the information the public have.

    • @caligurl8770
      @caligurl8770 Рік тому +1

      @@lotsoffun-jb1es was gonna say same til I read ur comment I didn’t know that

    • @laurahoward5426
      @laurahoward5426 Рік тому

      I want to yell to the defendant, " MURDERER"

  • @nivieb9
    @nivieb9 Рік тому +21

    That smile on his face when he’s watching the video… broke my heart. How hurtful it would’ve been for him.

  • @Luvmyswiftvet
    @Luvmyswiftvet Рік тому +210

    This just breaks my heart... My children have had a lot of the same friends their whole lives... They are family... this has got to be so hard for him... losing his friend in such a violent manner... sounded like when he said Miss Maggie his voice broke... What an honest and strong young man... Rest in peace, Maggie and Paul 💖🙏 😇 😇 💕

    • @maryqc8418
      @maryqc8418 Рік тому +25

      I was thinking today about how much she probably loved cooking for all those boys. Boys are the anchor of a mother's heart..

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +10

      @@maryqc8418 💯. My kids friends are just like kids of my own.

    • @Writingxx
      @Writingxx Рік тому +11

      @@maryqc8418 I don’t agree. I’ve got both. Both are my children and both are loved equally and my anchors. I lost a child and it’s extremely painful. Then I was my remaining children’s anchor. It’s the way it is. Love equally. Don’t have a favourite

    • @DocProcRealm
      @DocProcRealm Рік тому +6

      @@maryqc8418 I'm gonna go with maybe buying them pizza and booze🥃⛵☠️🦝⚖️🤡

    • @Luvmyswiftvet
      @Luvmyswiftvet Рік тому +6

      @therealz 360z I am truly sorry for your loss...God bless and you are in my prayers... 🙏 💕

  • @flenzy
    @flenzy Рік тому +67

    Sounds like Paul sure loved to go out and kill animals all the time. I can't imagine the personality to just want to go out all the time and kill things, but everyone seems to testify about him hunting all the time. What does that do to a person's psyche after awhile? His father's child, that's for sure. Were young men around there ever encouraged to do actual good in the world around them? Nature, to them, is just supplying animals for them to pick off one by one. I don't understand that kind of brain.

    • @murielodette2995
      @murielodette2995 Рік тому +3

      the british do the same,, american hunters in the national forrest and lands,,i look at canam 411missing persons, did not realize how much camping hunting ,fishing, purchase of firearms hiking goes on in the u.s.it has got to be in the billions of $$$$$$$$ each year.

    • @flenzy
      @flenzy Рік тому

      @@murielodette2995 It's nuts. The gun lovers are so paranoid and keep getting more and more weapons. They're not using their words to deal with life and get along. Everyone is their enemy.

    • @TheDaskell
      @TheDaskell Рік тому +3

      What brain ?

    • @laurahoward5426
      @laurahoward5426 Рік тому +3

      And born to a drug addict...and people who thought they were big fish in a tiny town

    • @kathynj6479
      @kathynj6479 Рік тому +4

      IKR? I heard one of the witnesses talked about enjoying going out to ki11 hogs all the time because they were a "nuisance." I don't doubt they were, but if that's your mindset it's not a leap to take out other "nuisances" like people. Solving a problem takes work. Ki11ing the problem is easy with guns.

  • @Ilovemesomemj1
    @Ilovemesomemj1 Рік тому +16

    It's so sad that towards the end of the video, this young man smiles because he sees his friend Paul active and alive. It sucks when you lose your friend to an unnecessary death.

  • @joanngibala2058
    @joanngibala2058 Рік тому +49

    Seems like Will Loving matches his name in caring & integrity, cool guy @ 26.

  • @WVgrl59
    @WVgrl59 Рік тому +16

    The Edisto beach house is on Airbnb for $185 now. I can see what Maggie loved it, with all the windows.
    It was the house where Maggie was staying when Alex wanted her to meet at the hunting place.
    I am glad that she told people that Alex was acting fishy.

  • @amandamiller7926
    @amandamiller7926 Рік тому +52

    I don't believe any tears Alex is crying, if even real, are for anyone but himself!

    • @tricetaylor7918
      @tricetaylor7918 Рік тому +6

      Tears because he's caught.

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +10

      I hope you mean Alex. His are alligator tears and very fake.

    • @amandamiller7926
      @amandamiller7926 Рік тому +1

      @@michelle3445 yes!! I need to correct that! Thank you for pointing it out!

    • @amandamiller7926
      @amandamiller7926 Рік тому +3

      @@tricetaylor7918 exactly!! No remorse at all!!

    • @mrneveradullmoment
      @mrneveradullmoment Рік тому +2

      His shark eyes scream guilty.

  • @janegardener1662
    @janegardener1662 Рік тому +112

    Look at the difference when Will looks at the video and when Alec looks at the video. Will is smiling and remembering his friend. Alec is grimacing and shaking his leg under the table. Guilty.

    • @_KaiRos-11
      @_KaiRos-11 Рік тому +33

      I can understand alic being stressed but at the same time I can’t imagine not being completely upset reliving his son or wife’s life. I’ve felt like his displays of emotion have been pathetic honestly and can’t see how he’s not breaking down and able to listen to everything from their voices to recounting their lives. I would be completely distraught! But that’s not proof I get it but, when you compile that with everything u can’t ignore it.
      Also his brother Buster who’s sat in the courtroom looking everything besides upset… again just pathetic.

    • @DonnaLena1
      @DonnaLena1 Рік тому +46

      @@_KaiRos-11 Buster’s apparent lack of concern about his mother and brother being killed is disturbing. I don’t expect tears and extreme emotion but he looks callous.

    • @pg4v377
      @pg4v377 Рік тому +7

      He's lived it 24/7. It's gonna look a little different. The friend isnt a suspect or Paul's father. It'd be weird if they did have the same reactions.

    • @forpetessake3532
      @forpetessake3532 Рік тому +3

      all people react to trauma differently - if dads guilty or innocent he could very well freak looking at old vids

    • @forpetessake3532
      @forpetessake3532 Рік тому +4

      @therealz360z7 a narcissist is good at faking emotions - is he guilty? they sure put out some doubt suggesting the son was getting threats but the audio of the dads voice really causes an issue

  • @WideAwakeHuman
    @WideAwakeHuman Рік тому +28

    Still a astounded that Alex found such incompetent and unprofessional sounding attorneys. Not that he would’ve gotten off otherwise but every time they ask questions they just sound unsure about what they’re even doing.

    • @turnerification123
      @turnerification123 Рік тому +3

      Omg I agree they have no clue like this griffin the ummms and pauses .

    • @lizzieball3795
      @lizzieball3795 Рік тому

      I know! Especially since Alex strong point as an attorney,was his ability to manipulate a jury.
      It makes me actually feel sorry for Alex!

    • @sgilmour47
      @sgilmour47 Рік тому +3

      I think he's picked men who know the right people and finally, that's not going to make a difference. He's using his usual trick, it will fail him.

    • @susancolman7911
      @susancolman7911 Рік тому +1

      They know the truth

  • @donaldjohnson394
    @donaldjohnson394 Рік тому +72

    That has to be the most awkward witness stands I have ever seen. A 2 foot tall barrier and a chair that has been creakin' and squeakin' for the last 4 days. I do know what the room temperature is at all times! ♨

    • @lindseyc6139
      @lindseyc6139 Рік тому +4

      Lololol I’ve been thinking the same thing!

    • @hanginwithlois
      @hanginwithlois Рік тому +4

      The most awkward ever!!

    • @melissab1725
      @melissab1725 Рік тому +2

      Can someone explain to me what the woman typing everything spoken has in her mouth? Not being mean just never saw something like that.

    • @deborahconkle6822
      @deborahconkle6822 Рік тому +1

      @@melissab1725 I was wondering the same thing about the woman.

    • @donaldjohnson394
      @donaldjohnson394 Рік тому +11

      @@melissab1725 It's a Stenomask. The reporter has special training to "re-speak" everything that they hear into a rubber can that has a microphone inside it. The rubber mouthpiece fits really tight around the mouth, so the reporters voice does not interfere with the people speaking in the courtroom. Computer software that has voice recognition then makes a audio record of the court testimony. Really, really goofy looking!

  • @bridgetbreitzmann4721
    @bridgetbreitzmann4721 Рік тому +98

    Poor animals... rich people, ugh, elitist thugs. All day, every day, just hunting, killing, hunting, killing. It's all they could come up with for constructive things to do. Just driving around with thermal night scopes, poor animals didn't have a hope or chance of living their life. Sick!

    • @lillieshepherd4177
      @lillieshepherd4177 Рік тому +26

      was thinking the very same----killing for Pleasure is Evil!!!

    • @devonremy6581
      @devonremy6581 Рік тому +18

      I know, it is sick.

    • @christinedockler9380
      @christinedockler9380 Рік тому

      The hogs are very destructive to the environment around them. They ruin natural habitats and destroyed crops.The hogs hurt other wildlife in the area because they eat everything. The native animals would starve if the hogs were left to populate out of control. They are also very dangerous animals. The deer also need populate control,if there are to many deer in one area they to will starve and spread disease.If there is wasting away disease in the deer populate it is a horrible and long death. If you were to see a deer with wasting away disease I think you may change your mind. It is truly a horrible thing. That being said,I understand completely the way you feel. I could not take a animals life easily.I have had to kill a animal before because it was suffering and that was the human thing to do. We do it for our own pets because we love them and don't want to see them suffer.I am not some crazy hunter who likes to kill because it is disturbing to me,but I understand that it is something that has to be done for the sake of the animals.I think if you are a conservationists you truly do care for the wildlife.Just another way to look at it and understand why it must be done.I don't know if this information gives you any peace but I hope it does.

    • @a.garcia8086
      @a.garcia8086 Рік тому

      These hogs are DANGEROUS. There are hundreds of them they carry disease and can ruin any crops you have kill you. No one gets this !¡!!!!

    • @heartpaws519
      @heartpaws519 Рік тому +16

      Exactly!!! This is the 2nd hunting-bestie to testify & it's unbelievable how they used military-style equipment to hunt innocent animals!!! Guess killing is in the family genetic code.

  • @rosesmall1245
    @rosesmall1245 Рік тому +54

    I have never seen a court room with more technical problems than this one , everytime the lawyers ask for something to play , there’s always issues or technical problems, please…get it together.

    • @self_made-self_paid2143
      @self_made-self_paid2143 Рік тому

      I'm starting to believe it's all a scheme.......They want to prove him guilty but don't want to prove him guilty..If that makes since........I couldn't keep up with the fact details if I was a juror!!

    • @northerngirl1637
      @northerngirl1637 Рік тому +4

      Courtrooms seem notorious for this.🤪

    • @mausplan3890
      @mausplan3890 Рік тому +9

      we were spoilt with "groundz"

    • @artgroupie
      @artgroupie Рік тому +2

      My local courthouse is like this. I was called for jury duty and they were having technical problems. The judge kept telling us to be patient and that the courthouse was old. Smh.

    • @helenpatterson3858
      @helenpatterson3858 Рік тому +3

      And so often I'm hearing sirens in the background. Distracting to the point I start to wonder if it is intentional.

  • @OOceaneyess
    @OOceaneyess Рік тому +66

    I'm wanting to walk up and raise the mic and move it closer to him so he doesn't have to bend forward each time to speak. I'm surprised that no one did this.
    Its hard to loose a friend to murder. I did. It happened 31 years ago this past Jan 14th My best friend, her husband and their 9 year old. Their murders are still unsolved. :-(.

    • @forthosewholovehim
      @forthosewholovehim Рік тому +12

      Im so sorry for your loss. That's horrible.

    • @OOceaneyess
      @OOceaneyess Рік тому +5

      @@forthosewholovehim Thank you

    • @forthosewholovehim
      @forthosewholovehim Рік тому +4

      @@OOceaneyess
      #thelordisclosetothebrokenhearted
      #prayforthehedgeofprotection
      #prayforyourfamily
      #prayunceasingly

    • @imaginempress3408
      @imaginempress3408 Рік тому +12

      I'm sorry for you loss and I hope that the murders will be solved so loved ones get closure.

    • @Harley57
      @Harley57 Рік тому +9

      Oh no, it’s bad enough that it happened, but to not know who did it is awful. I pray one day it is solved & I’m sorry you’ve had to go through this. My sincerest condolences.

  • @rebadanson3024
    @rebadanson3024 Рік тому +15

    Jim Griffin consistently impresses me with his ability to miss the point, focus - intently - on the utterly irrelevant, make issues out of non-issues and publicly display that he’s ‘passed it’.
    I could have defended AM better than him. Stunned at how crap AM’s defence team is.

  • @griceltorres7701
    @griceltorres7701 Рік тому +15

    Broke my heart seeing him see the snap chat video. He smiled listening to Paul's voice.

  • @loristewart6607
    @loristewart6607 Рік тому +106

    You can tell the way this young man carries himself, speaks and by his convictions he is of strong moral character........ he dearly loved his friend........😢

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +11

      I absolutely adore Will Loving. I am glad to learn that Paul had kind people in his life who cared. I cannot imagine what kind of life Paul had now seeing his father’s true colours. What a horrible selfish evil 👿 man Paul has as a father.

    • @weavethehawk
      @weavethehawk Рік тому +2

      No one of strong moral character kills wildlife for fun, for amusement, for recreation, for the sheer joy of inflicting destruction and death upon wild creatures. No wild animals are safe where these people are. Even the exceptionally lethal nature of the weapons they use. Night vision equipment etc. They allow the creatures they hunt no possible chance to evade the bullets. THAT IS NOT SPORT THAT IS MURDER OF DEFENCELESS WILDLIFE. Think about it, please.

    • @diorcarter7236
      @diorcarter7236 Рік тому +4

      @@MysticFIREFLY he killed them will loving

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +1

      @@diorcarter7236 did you hear that Alex was arrested AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON for having Contraband??? Its a second arrest

    • @lettheriver
      @lettheriver Рік тому +3

      @@MysticFIREFLY it also reveals quality of people he associated. Everyone is innocent until proven quilty. They had lots of enemies.

  • @brendawatkins5751
    @brendawatkins5751 Рік тому +97

    I'M 77 YRS OLD AND I LIVE IN S.C.AND I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT KINDA HUMAN BEING COULD DO SOMETHING SO EVIL,AND YOU KNOW IT WASN'T JUST A SPUR OF THE MOMENT DESSION,THIS CRIME WAS PLANNED ,AND I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THE OLD SAYING, MONEY IS EVIL,AND THIS TRULY PROVED IT.

    • @speteydog2260
      @speteydog2260 Рік тому +5

      Drugs are worse!

    • @samsmom400
      @samsmom400 Рік тому +26

      Scripture says that the LOVE of money is the root of evil. MONEY isn't evil.

    • @bonnieprather610
      @bonnieprather610 Рік тому

      The kind of white trash that still inhabits the south

    • @LivingASimulation
      @LivingASimulation Рік тому +13

      Money and drugs will make people do some horrible things...

    • @bonnieprather610
      @bonnieprather610 Рік тому

      @@LivingASimulation people are made to do certain things because of inanimate objects? Nope, it's their lack of spine and morals. White trash

  • @miteamatsheka5655
    @miteamatsheka5655 Рік тому +30

    The man was there with them his voice is as clear as day, I have listened to a lot of jail house calls and you cant miss that voice.

    • @kelley695
      @kelley695 Рік тому +4

      Right? Not to mention Alex’s voice is VERY distinctive.

  • @tammymoore6126
    @tammymoore6126 Рік тому +52

    Poor child watching that video and remembering his friend

  • @sheilajohnson6478
    @sheilajohnson6478 Рік тому +66

    This will be a movie some day. It’s crazy.

    • @onewomanandsomesongs
      @onewomanandsomesongs Рік тому +4

      Definitely a Dateline episode.

    • @artgroupie
      @artgroupie Рік тому +6

      Lifetime will have a film by the end of the month.

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +4

      I’m surprised Lifetime hasn’t already made one.

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +4

      @@onewomanandsomesongs I think Dateline or 48 hours has already done one, but I’m sure there will be more.

    • @Marceylynn
      @Marceylynn Рік тому +3

      I was watching a 3 part series on the i.d. chanel that was awesome 3 hours. Very detailed.

  • @aprillovesgolf7042
    @aprillovesgolf7042 Рік тому +53

    What a great name, Will Loving.

    • @elliebellie7816
      @elliebellie7816 Рік тому +1

      There's a lot of people in the Southeastern US with the last name "Loving".

    • @cherylj7460
      @cherylj7460 Рік тому +1

      And there’s the movie - Good Will Loving.

    • @spicyirwin5835
      @spicyirwin5835 Рік тому +2

      @@cherylj7460 Thought it was GOOD WILL HUNTING. But love his parents naming him WILL LOVING. If he had a girl SERENE LOVING...💜🙏💜

    • @HeadNtheClouds
      @HeadNtheClouds Рік тому +1

      So it’s fair to say that you love the name Loving?

    • @forthosewholovehim
      @forthosewholovehim Рік тому

      Serene Ever Loving...

  • @justhuman24
    @justhuman24 Рік тому +25

    The witness chair is for kids. Someone donate a decent chair to this court

  • @RodneyFreeman
    @RodneyFreeman Рік тому +64

    It seems there are more and more stories of people killing their families. Maybe it's just that we're so tuned into events with social media... but it seems excessive. I feel so bad for the victims and the other family members.

    • @sharonmartin1223
      @sharonmartin1223 Рік тому +10

      Yeah well I feel bad for all this family got away with for years years and years

    • @patgal2359
      @patgal2359 Рік тому

      Its MEN killing their wives and children

    • @Lollyk13
      @Lollyk13 Рік тому +1

      Making excuses for people living off frauding others....

    • @elainecoyle2704
      @elainecoyle2704 Рік тому +3

      I've noticed too. Family killing each other.

    • @ajf369
      @ajf369 Рік тому +1

      Especially in America

  • @JS21810
    @JS21810 Рік тому +49

    Why is Buster smiling and almost laughing the whole time?

    • @ferrari251
      @ferrari251 Рік тому +23

      I know, it’s an ugly look.

    • @a.garcia8086
      @a.garcia8086 Рік тому +19

      The hair color makes it even worse

    • @grammiesspirit4922
      @grammiesspirit4922 Рік тому

      I can't find Buster....where is he

    • @JS21810
      @JS21810 Рік тому +5

      @@grammiesspirit4922 red hair few rows behind Alex Murdaugh

    • @grammiesspirit4922
      @grammiesspirit4922 Рік тому +5

      @@JS21810 OMG. I saw him. Thank you. What a horror story. This young man has to say "That's my dad. That one right there." Lord he may as well relocate to Europe to try to heal from his nightmare. Probably followed his daddy's advice when he cheated at school. That was an unconscious scream out not to follow in his father's footsteps. 🕯️

  • @barbarachristinahealey8935
    @barbarachristinahealey8935 Рік тому +33

    So much evil 👿 in one man unbelievable what he’s done !!

  • @violettownmicroenterprises1528

    If I was Buster's girlfriend, I'd be taking off real fast.

  • @brinkles1s
    @brinkles1s Рік тому +76

    Why did he lie about being at kennels if he didn’t do it

    • @tammyslade1375
      @tammyslade1375 Рік тому +25

      Cause he did it!

    • @northerngirl1637
      @northerngirl1637 Рік тому +16

      Exactly.

    • @bbe3034
      @bbe3034 Рік тому +25

      Watch Court TV tonight at 8pm. They are summarizing what happened today. I definitely think Alex killed his wife, Maggie and his son, Paul. Maggie wanted a divorce, she was living in their beach house. On the way to the farm, she called her best friends and told them she had a bad feeling about meeting him. But his dad was dying and Alex guilt tripped her to meet him. His parents lived close to his farm there. Also, Paul had caused a boating accident because he was very intoxicated and hit a large piling under a bridge and a 19 year old Mallory Beech was thrown from the boat. It took 5 days to find her body! I think in Alex’s mind Paul and Maggie were going to cost him a lot of money!

    • @tinab3627
      @tinab3627 Рік тому +12

      Because it puts him with the victims at the time of the murder. He’s saying he wasn’t there to make people think it was someone else who committed the murders

    • @LowCountryMTB
      @LowCountryMTB Рік тому +4

      That part doesn’t add up. But I don’t think he killed them.

  • @brasstacks7181
    @brasstacks7181 Рік тому +64

    Looks like a lot of people don't know the family too well. Alex may be the sociopath who was at the head of this family but he was not alone in the darkness that surrounds this family. The enabling and covering of questionable ethics and criminal behavior that went on in this family goes beyond Alex. Yes, Paul and Maggie did not deserve to be murdered but neither did their Housekeeper Gloria Satterfield, or Mallory Beach or Stephen Smith and if anyone still believes their deaths were "accidents", then you need to learn a little more about this family and their extremely dark dynamics.

    • @blovell86
      @blovell86 Рік тому +4

      Mallory Beach’s family do not believe Paul intentionally killed Mallory. They wanted him held accountable for her death because he caused the ACCIDENT by drinking and driving.
      Gloria Satterfield’s family do not believe she was intentionally killed. They have not questioned her death. They just didn’t want Alex profiting off of her death when he lied about claiming she told him before leaving on the ambulance that she tripped over his dogs so that he could make a legitimate insurance claim “for them” and steal it. They believe she had an accidental fall and have never claimed they believe Maggie or Paul intentionally killed her. They were the ONLY TWO AT THE HOUSE WHEN SHE FELL. Alex was not.
      The only family that questions the way their loved one died is Steven Smith’s family, and with good reason.
      Maybe don’t watch a documentary that makes a weird suggestion like all these deaths were suspiciously intentional. That wasn’t what the documentary was showing.
      Crazy you have more outrage than the actual victim’s families (aside from Steven smith’s family who still doesn’t have answers) the beach family has expressed their sympathy for Paul and Maggie’s murders from the very beginning. The satterfields have as well, and they have even forgiven Alex for stealing their settlement checks…… maybe you need to do a little more research…..

    • @TH-jd9ib
      @TH-jd9ib Рік тому +7

      ​@@blovell86 Alex purchased the insurance policy for his property only one month before Gloria's "accident." After she died, it was Alex's idea to tell her boys to sue him. Very suspicious.

    • @abc-wv4in
      @abc-wv4in Рік тому +10

      @@blovell86 I have to differ. When you are drunk out of your skull and driving a boat very recklessly, even after your friends have tried to get you to let them drive, that's not really "an accident." Good grief.

    • @blovell86
      @blovell86 Рік тому

      @@abc-wv4in it is an accident…..because he didn’t intentionally set out to wreck or kill anyone. It’s still an accident. If you look down at your phone while you are driving and you cause a wreck, you can be responsible and liable and should be held accountable, however it is still an accident when there was no intent to harm someone, even if you do. That’s an accident…. Vehicular homicides can be both wrecklessness warranting criminality and also accidents as far as the actual act of causing and killing someone. You sound ignorant acting as if he purposely wreck in order to kill her. Even the family has said it was an accident but he should be held liable for drinking and driving. Weird that you have more opinions on her death than her own family.

    • @abc-wv4in
      @abc-wv4in Рік тому +6

      @@blovell86 This is just semantics. "Accident" or not, it's negligent homicide. You don't have to be a family member to know that. He's still responsible for her death and should be held accountable for it. Call it what you wish.

  • @normanspurgeon5324
    @normanspurgeon5324 Рік тому +47

    Opioid addiction over a long period of time would cause a significant degradation of the personality. I'm surprised that the prosecution has not mentioned this, as a circumstance which could destroy his judgement.

    • @SS11660
      @SS11660 Рік тому +24

      His addiction has not really been verified yet. Defense will probably add more. My question is, if he was so drug impaired, how was he able to concoct all the elaborate schemes to steal money from everybody??

    • @markwest1963
      @markwest1963 Рік тому +14

      I doubt he’s addicted to anything

    • @justanothersmith6012
      @justanothersmith6012 Рік тому +12

      That was another lie .

    • @DonnaLena1
      @DonnaLena1 Рік тому +21

      An opioid addiction didn’t influence Alex to blow up the bodies of two people he was intimately related to…I know first hand. It’s possible that Alex and his attorneys came up with the opioid addiction story as an obvious ploy to by time for Alex and create a weak excuse for his actions.

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +18

      I don’t think he was a drug addict. If he was using that much money for it, he was involved with Cartels. I think they would have already took him out before now.
      I think he had a gambling addiction and would rather say drugs than gambling for some reason.

  • @patriciaflores2776
    @patriciaflores2776 Рік тому +36

    JUSTICE 4 PAUL & MAGGIE 💪❤

    • @drnancyguzy-venick5091
      @drnancyguzy-venick5091 Рік тому

      mr. murdaugh is a dope addict, mother and son were about to take his drugs away or divorce him or worse, drug addicts will kill for their next fix. money is part of this but a drug addict will kill

    • @gailgibson8617
      @gailgibson8617 Рік тому +1

      justice for all the animals they killed and all dui murders paul did

  • @KarenanneT
    @KarenanneT Рік тому +23

    I love the smile on Will’s face whenever he heard Paul’s voice ❤

    • @jumpforjoy6
      @jumpforjoy6 Рік тому +4

      Paul was not a good person why are you romanticism him...

    • @KarenanneT
      @KarenanneT Рік тому

      @@jumpforjoy6 what iq do you have!

    • @lenaprice6239
      @lenaprice6239 Рік тому

      @@jumpforjoy6 And his "friends" aren't good either. Birds of a feather, flock together..

    • @blovell86
      @blovell86 Рік тому +6

      @@jumpforjoy6 funny, Mallory beach’s family expressed sympathy for Paul’s death from the beginning and have spoken out about how they all cared for Paul….they just wanted him held accountable for the boat accident. Accountable, not dead.
      If anybody should have negative thoughts towards him after his death, pretty sure they have earned the right to take that role. Guess they are just a better person than you are.

    • @voids4818
      @voids4818 Рік тому +2

      @@blovell86 I agree with both of you. The murdaugh family lineage is a vile and rotten one. Paul and his brother Buster are their father’s sons after all. They were both troubled young men who are still romanticized after this trial. Paul and Maggie DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE. Paul deserved to be held accountable, like you said. But to think he was just some innocent young lad who got into a horrible accident, you’d be wrong

  • @joycelee8944
    @joycelee8944 Рік тому +25

    Buster looks like he has that same cocky
    attitude as daddy. Smirking, yawning like
    he's not interested. These young men who
    have testified who were friends with Paul
    are very polite and forthcoming with answers.
    I feel sorry for Paul's friends. What an
    unfortunate situation for them to be in.🥺

    • @t200b-i7k
      @t200b-i7k Рік тому +4

      @Joyce Lee. I’m new to this case & I thought the same about Buster. He doesn’t seem traumatized or much concerned at all. And Alex’s brother, John Marvin, smiling in so many pictures. This is a family of Psychopaths.

    • @karinklaustermeier4009
      @karinklaustermeier4009 Рік тому +5

      His gf should run away now!

  • @michele8600
    @michele8600 Рік тому +15

    The level of crying to me the morning after is because what he did finally hit home. Now his crying is because he is having to relive what he did not only to his family but to every person he ever had in his universe and is going down for it.

    • @turnerification123
      @turnerification123 Рік тому +3

      I think it’s because he knows hes been caught and in trouble at work

    • @HeatherDMorris
      @HeatherDMorris Рік тому +1

      I am sencing that also. I am sure this hurts Alex heart hearing the birthday song and all . If it hurt enough he would have stood up and said I'm guilty and so sorry, but he didnt

  • @MrDarthVadersMom
    @MrDarthVadersMom Рік тому +38

    He did a great job under extreme duress. He loved Paul and the family, and that's obvious from the smile he could not hide when he saw the videos. I think it speaks to Paul's favor that he had such a friend, regardless of his actions when drinking. It also shows that the Murdaughs were beyond inclusive when it came to their children's friends, and that that love and effort they gave was not affected by the horrific situation that Alex had worked himself into with the drugs and the means he took to get them. This young man's testimony has given me an insight into the family that I didn't have before.

    • @taraask9169
      @taraask9169 Рік тому +5

      After seeing the Netflix movie. Paul was labeled the black sheep of the family. He was closer to the housekeeper Gloria and his grandpa. Im thinking he was drinking because he was hurting. His friends wanted him to get help. It was obvious he shared a lot with Gloria because his girlfriend said when he drink he talked about his good times with the housekeeper. He may have wanted attention from Alex and his mom. If that wasn't the case I also noticed the lawyers and ppl in that circle would be drinking with their underage kids on occasion. I felt sorry for him.

    • @hannahlang4703
      @hannahlang4703 Рік тому +5

      Paul spat on and slapped his girlfriend and was emotionally abusive: men like this are a dime a dozen. In love with their own type but treat women terribly

    • @jdknight-mark633
      @jdknight-mark633 Рік тому +2

      Waters is fast talking and intimidating (a stealth version prosecution attorney). Theatrical talent and movie worthy!
      It is “ALL ABOUT HIM…, WATERS”. No empathy skills necessary for execution …….of the law.

    • @jdknight-mark633
      @jdknight-mark633 Рік тому +1

      What does turkey shooting have to do with these murders? Think about it…

    • @maureenbrown6697
      @maureenbrown6697 10 місяців тому +1

      ​​​​​@@hannahlang4703 I have to think that Paul learned that dysfunctional, abusive, demeaning behavior somewhere. The drinking excessively seemed like it was blunting some personal pain within Paul. And when he drank he became a mean & acted out or made horrible decisions that harmed & killed his friends. He needed help. He was still young enough to fix his problems if given the proper opportunity to do so. But help wasn't coming from enabler parents like he had. They also seemed to want to sweep things under the rug. Not get him real help. Why? Would it tarnish the family name/image?
      The Murdaugh's displayed a manicured public image, but clearly what was really going on was something else entirely.
      There was definitely entitlement with that family. And everybody now knows Alex is a sociopathic, a narcissist, a drug addict, a murderer & a thief. What else was he doing or capable of? Did anybody truly know him or WTF was really going on? I'd think it was dysfunctional & not so happy behind closed doors- in spite of all the advantages, wealth & opportunities these people had handed to them in life. Narcissists do not make good spouses, nor good parents. They only care about themselves & how they're perceived by others on the outside. Any abusive, dysfunctional behavior is only shown to the immediate family. To friends, neighbors co-workers they are superficially charming. It's an act. And I'd bet the narcissistic personality disorder goes back in the Murdaugh family for generations. NPD usually does. It messes up the people within a family & carry that dysfunction on generation after generation unless somebody breaks the cycle.

  • @fondawilliamsclemons1763
    @fondawilliamsclemons1763 Рік тому +27

    This prosecutor has got it together!

  • @cbeverage18
    @cbeverage18 Рік тому +31

    His dad TOOK the missing gun, so there would be a match to what was used and I think prosecution just proved that versus the lost gun theory..

  • @mondoenterprises6710
    @mondoenterprises6710 Рік тому +16

    How many people can 1 person destroy in a lifetime? Of course, he's a powerful lawyer too! Good God!

  • @jbtpa895
    @jbtpa895 Рік тому +8

    Most uncomfortable looking seat for witnesses.

  • @lindagove1615
    @lindagove1615 Рік тому +38

    As a voicewriter myself kudos to this court reporter who already has a produced transcript on this testimony!

    • @lmcdowell
      @lmcdowell Рік тому +12

      I’ve always wondered what they do with that thing over their mouth. Surely she’s not repeating everything being said??

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +5

      @@lmcdowell apparently yes

    • @suzum.9713
      @suzum.9713 Рік тому +7

      That seems crazy to me. Can you explain how it works?

    • @MysticFIREFLY
      @MysticFIREFLY Рік тому +3

      @@suzum.9713 I agree. I would think will the clarity of the audio we hear it’s clear enough to do an accurate recording to create a transcript. The problem I have is that she may be interpreting things and not getting the accurate data down. In my case I thought the court transcript would be printed as everything the judge said and the discussion between the lawyers with the judge would be documented as that was very important information in my case as it gave me instructions on the process and further requirements that I was asked to address and insist that my lawyer followed up on. Yet when I ordered my transcript there was only a mere 5 sentences on that page. I almost went ballistic when I saw that. So with this case I hope that will not be the case. I literally cringe thinking that she is interpreting and oversimplifying things being said.

    • @jobinsmith4116
      @jobinsmith4116 Рік тому +5

      How could you possibly repeat everything someone else says , it doesn’t seem possible

  • @orcuttcat
    @orcuttcat Рік тому +15

    loved his smile when hearing his friend's voice 32:20

  • @teresastory111
    @teresastory111 Рік тому +68

    I’m so glad to learn that out of this horrible tragedy at least the dogs have been re-homed. Seeing those awful kennels broke my heart. No wonder Bubba was a handful. I’ve heard he now lives with Blanca. She seems like a kind, compassionate woman who loved Maggie. How fitting that Alex finds himself penned up like the dogs. RIP Maggie and Paul.

    • @mahatchiko602
      @mahatchiko602 Рік тому +10

      Yes! This is not , how Dog Lovers would have their Dogs living. It’s terrible. Not even a Blanket, or Dogmatraz. What a Nightmare, this old Kennels for poor animals. And he killed them their! It’s so fitting and a Horror!
      So very sorry, for the lost of this innocent Mother and Son! RiP

    • @cinder7183
      @cinder7183 Рік тому +2

      Moselle was the place many things were neutralized.
      It should all be torn down. It is nothing but a killing station.

    • @SondraMarshall
      @SondraMarshall Рік тому +11

      @@erssiemajor8010 It really bothered me seeing and learning how these dogs existed as animal lover and owner of pets .In the end they achieved freedom a better fate than Maggie and Paul did.

    • @laraschauble
      @laraschauble Рік тому +11

      Alex is now living in his own kennel...now he knows how the dogs felt locked up in theirs.....I hope the dogs are well cared for..and sleep on warm cozy doggy beds with blankets..🐾

    • @SondraMarshall
      @SondraMarshall Рік тому +5

      @@laraschauble Karma I want to believe the dogs are safe and loved after this has all been exposed.

  • @laurajoubert5514
    @laurajoubert5514 Рік тому +30

    Yes, it looks and sounds bad for Alex. The mighty volcano blew its top!

    • @GM-cq6ez
      @GM-cq6ez Рік тому +3

      .... “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
      Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
      Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
      And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
      Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
      Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
      The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
      And on the pedestal, these words appear:
      My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
      Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
      Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
      (Shelley)

  • @bbrcummins1984
    @bbrcummins1984 Рік тому +44

    Very mature young man 👍👍👍 so sorry you lost your friend.

    • @lotsoffun-jb1es
      @lotsoffun-jb1es Рік тому +2

      It sounds like Alex was King of the kid's. Give his children and friends alcohol and himself on drugs. My heart goes out to Paul's friend's.

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones Рік тому

      Hunting buddy of no identified source of income.
      Anybody wonder who supplied Alex with the illegal, but very profitable, drugs?

  • @tonidemarco3968
    @tonidemarco3968 Рік тому +4

    Laying in bed crying seeing this boys smile while hearing his friend’s voice 😢

  • @timeisfluid
    @timeisfluid Рік тому +34

    It's really sad how this family was living it up enjoying all these luxury items and nice guns and beautiful cars meanwhile they were stealing money from victims that had lost loved ones from lawsuits and Mr Murdoch thought that it was ok to do this I find this so disturbing that if he gets away with this that's going to send the real bad signal to this country and other corrupt counties that are doing this right now

    • @imaginempress3408
      @imaginempress3408 Рік тому +4

      He won't get away with the financial crimes. It remains to be seen if he will be found guilty of murder.

    • @patriciashelton6644
      @patriciashelton6644 Рік тому +3

      I wonder how many law firms do the same thing? You call the lawyers and they tell you they're working on it, these kind of cases take time an are expensive. Then one day you get a phone call telling you they're not moving forward with the case, then get a letter saying the same, dropping the case without predgeidice . Giving you two weeks to find another attorney, but them also telling you it's impossible to do so since you've been thru discovery. And they're right, it's impossible. Been there. My husband was injured during a surgery. Long story, but he sued the Dr. Everything seemed to be going well over the matter of two years. Then bam. We had gone to the lawyers office to do our deposition, the lawyer for I'm assuming the insurance company was a young man right out of law school. Now my lawyer had to tell us, that he knew this young man, and was his mentor during law school. But! That didn't interfere with him fighting for us, be assured. What could we do? It had been such a long time already and Dr bills were piling up, my husband had to retire early for he was now disabled.Maybe a week after that, we got a letter telling us they were not moving forward. That a Dr specialist in Florida didn't see any negligence. We were mailed a copy of our depositions, including the Dr that caused the injury. No where in the papers was a deposition from a Specialist. I called and talked to them about it, they refused to answer my question of where that deposition was. Just that it was over. My two weeks to find another lawyer had ended. And hung up. This may happen more than we know. This is the first I ever heard of such. Why settle for back then, thirty five percent of a million or more dollars, when you're dealing with older people that don't have a clue of how all this works. There were only two insurance companies in Ga at that time, that did mal practice insurance for Drs. I called both, but they couldn't talk to me about anything. But one did say, if I got an attorney they could talk to him or her. My husband by then was ready to forget it. He had been traumatized, in pain, and just trying to make it. All the pep talks,and planning before the surgery, for he was scared. He wasn't one like most men, to go to Drs. He did have trust in them. Not now. Neither do I.

    • @foreverfreealib
      @foreverfreealib Рік тому +6

      "THEY "didn't steal from the victims! "HE"~Alex did!

    • @samsmom400
      @samsmom400 Рік тому

      ​@@patriciashelton6644 I'm sorry that happened to you. I was leaving the law library in Jacksonville Florida, as I was riding down the elevator one law student said to another that she didn't know she'd have to sell her soul to the devil to become an attorney.
      I'm just curious, did they try to get you to settle before they dropped you? Sadly, I've had LOADS of experiences with attorneys. When you're suing a hospital, insurance company, store, some entity like that, the law firm will front you money if you need it because they know they'll get it back. But they'll only loan you as much as they KNOW they'll get back. Then when it's maxed out they'll tell you to settle. It's a numbers game.
      Attorneys will always talk big and tell you all they can do in the initial visit. Once you retain them, it always changes and they make it seem like it's your fault. They really want to settle. They don't want to go to court. It takes up too much time and money.
      They find out how much money you have and if you are nickel and dimming it, they'll just try to get the 10K retainer IN CASH and they drop you. That's mostly for personal, like divorce or custody.

    • @patriciashelton6644
      @patriciashelton6644 Рік тому

      @@samsmom400 , We we're clueless to anything. We've never had used an attorney other than when we built out house. We just thought they didn't see any money, and dropped it. They had us in a position,if we stopped them, we would have to pay for what they had already done. A trip to Florida to talk to a specialist to see if he thought any negligence had been done, all the thousands of medical files. Three boxes of them. Plus whatever else they had did. So even tho we were told that the lawyer representing the insurance firm was at a college that our lawyer did lectures at, and our lawyer had been his mentor, I would have said no, but I knew really at that time what was going on. I told my husband on the way home, something ain't right.

  • @crystalfrost9868
    @crystalfrost9868 Рік тому +71

    Let’s all remember to pray for everyone touched by this tragedy and try not to judge.

    • @graceandpeace4414
      @graceandpeace4414 Рік тому +15

      No worries, the jury will.

    • @samsmom400
      @samsmom400 Рік тому +8

      Yes, thank you for that reminder. The Lord can change hearts and minds. He transformed my life. He can give us hope. Sometimes these things are allowed so we will cry out and surrender to Him. That's how it happened with me.

    • @adrinemanoukian8929
      @adrinemanoukian8929 Рік тому +3

      yes , indeed , so heartbreaking.

    • @patl.4170
      @patl.4170 Рік тому +6

      Yesssss… he will find the jailhouse God soon enough. They always do.

    • @samsmom400
      @samsmom400 Рік тому +2

      @@patl.4170 Don't mock God. That's some very dangerous ground to be standing on.

  • @onthefive5615
    @onthefive5615 Рік тому +13

    I think the defense is making a huge mistake asking these witnesses to describe how happy Alex was with everyone. It's intended, I suppose, to show that he could never kill his wife and son but it shows me the depth of his murderous, selfish assholeness.

  • @helenmallory3002
    @helenmallory3002 Рік тому +10

    Who else would know that BOTH Paul and Maggie would be at those kennels at the time they were there on June 7th

  • @debijo5288
    @debijo5288 Рік тому +45

    I heard some of his finances, today in court.
    You suppose he killed them because he was broke and owed ppl money and so he didn't want Maggie to know about it. So instead of doing himself in he took their lives.

    • @Candy-O1776
      @Candy-O1776 Рік тому +7

      Yep.

    • @brittanybrawner9719
      @brittanybrawner9719 Рік тому +11

      Im wondering the same thing. A lot is looking like he did it, but his grief seems real.

    • @sheilajohnson6478
      @sheilajohnson6478 Рік тому +8

      Well of course. That’s basically what this whole case is about,

    • @SS11660
      @SS11660 Рік тому +24

      He is a narcissist. He is the only one that matters. Paul's trial would bring out more of his financial problems and Maggie would have half the assets as long as they are married. It's all about money.

    • @bbe3034
      @bbe3034 Рік тому +14

      I watched the trial today on Court TV UA-cam channel. I learned that one of his childhood friends/ an attorney, also, sued a trucking company together. Because something had fallen off of an 18 wheeler truck and really hurt a man really bad. Long story short, Alex ended up owing the attorney $192,000., and never paid him. The attorney on the stand was in tears because he had no idea that Alex was crooked. Tonight at 8pm central time, Court TV reviews the trial today. I definitely think Alex killed his wife, Maggie because she wanted a divorce and he killed Paul because of the young girl, Mallory Beech died in the boating accident when Paul was driving the boat drunk. But I read the boat didn’t have lights on it either so that would be a liability to Alex because it was his name.

  • @josephchirco4922
    @josephchirco4922 Рік тому +7

    Betcha all the animals are very happy the “Murdogs” and friends won’t be around anymore!

  • @nkhirdaji
    @nkhirdaji Рік тому +7

    Such a sweet, handsome young guy. Wish him peace in life.

  • @bernicegallagher7093
    @bernicegallagher7093 Рік тому +10

    OMG , how sad for Paul’s friends to have to be testify against Alex Mudaugh , knowing intellectually or in their hearts that Alex was the only one who could have killed him! These guys will never recover from what Alex did to Paul & Maggie. My heart goes out to Paul’ s friends!

  • @t200b-i7k
    @t200b-i7k Рік тому +11

    Watching his expressions during these testimonies, I always wonder if Alex was instructed by his counsel, to react a certain way, like fake crying with the birthday video. Narcissists & psychopaths are hollow & don’t have real emotions of sorrow, compass & empathy, so they have to “act.” They, do however react when it comes to THEMselves & especially their pride & money.

  • @valorwoman8747
    @valorwoman8747 Рік тому +14

    What is the murderer doing chewing gum or something in court? He makes me puke!!!

    • @lori2606
      @lori2606 Рік тому +1

      I think his lawyer brings him stuff to chew , sickening

    • @karaward7212
      @karaward7212 Рік тому

      He chews so I was thinking it must be a Nicorette candy Lozenges

    • @julieproctor6039
      @julieproctor6039 Рік тому

      Why does a murderer get to suck on throat drops or mints?

  • @janedixon8491
    @janedixon8491 Рік тому +6

    Awww he smiled seeing Paul in the birthday video!

  • @deidrenorth8745
    @deidrenorth8745 Рік тому +31

    Head bobbing again 😔😂

    • @mjchiwara
      @mjchiwara Рік тому +4

      Stress. Stomach probably rolling.

    • @tmp1111
      @tmp1111 Рік тому +5

      Anxiety & self soothing

    • @michelle3445
      @michelle3445 Рік тому +3

      I definitely think it’s anxiety. People try to console themselves in very different ways

    • @katetruthseeker2758
      @katetruthseeker2758 Рік тому

      Kinda reminds me of a early stage parkinsons

  • @ferrari251
    @ferrari251 Рік тому +12

    After watching the very end of this video, I’m pretty impressed with Creighton. That was amazing.

  • @carlaboerman9902
    @carlaboerman9902 Рік тому +4

    I just want to cry seeing this young man in so much pain from losing his dear friend. I hope my granddaughters find a nice young man like Will someday.

  • @chriswertman3683
    @chriswertman3683 Рік тому +7

    Paul had some really good friends. Feel bad for them. Alex ruined a lot of lives.

  • @Jane-qp4mo
    @Jane-qp4mo Рік тому +5

    Alex is only crying because he knows no-one will ever be singing Happy Birthday to him again.

  • @tr4pkeedyoungking677
    @tr4pkeedyoungking677 Рік тому +15

    I like this will character he is a very smart young man. Did excellent on taking down Alex's lawyer snapchat questions. They are funny trying to pin it on a snap friend.

  • @Reba-cf5fn
    @Reba-cf5fn Рік тому +8

    That’s a historic Southern courthouse. I like that light comes in.

    • @abc-wv4in
      @abc-wv4in Рік тому

      The ones in my little town look much better and are MUCH better organized. That one sure is messy!

  • @sinetteiversen9978
    @sinetteiversen9978 Рік тому +32

    These folks really take good care of their numerous guns.What happened to safety.IRRESPONSIBILITY!!!!

    • @southerncross5360
      @southerncross5360 Рік тому +8

      Did I miss them asking him about guns being unsafely stored, or are you referring to defense pointing out Paul's past behavior of being irresponsible with everything?
      In May 2020 Paul got a speeding ticket in Adam's Run. He was booking it while towing a boat.
      There's a video on YT and he didn't come across as a responsible teenager when he gave the police officer his health insurance card instead of his car insurance. I can only assume Paul was a major liability.
      For anyone who's not here in SC it's common for people to learn how to shoot and hunt at an early age. It's also common for people hunt at hunting lodges like theirs on Moselle rd, located in the middle of nowhere in rural parts of the state.

    • @TeeTV22
      @TeeTV22 Рік тому +7

      @@southerncross5360 He was a major liability for sure..

    • @southerncross5360
      @southerncross5360 Рік тому +4

      @@TeeTV22 yes and it's hard to believe that he was allowed to do as he pleased after he was released on his own recognizance in April of 2020. Here's the Island Packet link to the traffic stop where it's clear the officer knew his situation.
      ua-cam.com/video/rLuX4QanVUk/v-deo.html

    • @cradames
      @cradames Рік тому +12

      Entitled is what happened

    • @southerncross5360
      @southerncross5360 Рік тому +6

      @@cradames Yep and the same applies to the entire family

  • @justzee1574
    @justzee1574 Рік тому +5

    Just out there killing animals for sports.

  • @American_Grrl
    @American_Grrl Рік тому +21

    The testimony about hunting is truly disturbing. I think when you normalize weapons it blunts your appreciation for life, animal or human. We have to change this.

    • @elk9762
      @elk9762 Рік тому +10

      In the hunting for animals, it is done to put food on the table. It is not wasted. For some it is their primary source of food in the South. It is the person who is holding the gun that needs to be more responsible.

    • @bethdorman2884
      @bethdorman2884 Рік тому +10

      @@elk9762 An'd, the wild hog hunting is because those hogs will tear up the land & populate quickly.

    • @heartpaws519
      @heartpaws519 Рік тому +5

      @@elk9762 oh yeah, Louise, I'm sure the Murdaugh family would have starved to death if these guys didn't go out with military-style equipment to kill doves!!! 2nd witness that was a hunting buddy. That Paul sure loved to kill stuff!! Must be genetic!

    • @KohalaLover
      @KohalaLover Рік тому +4

      @Louise Lyons. You’re funny. None of these people had money problems. Shooting animals for sport is a sick game of disrespect. It isn’t about putting food on the table.

    • @TruCrimeQueen
      @TruCrimeQueen Рік тому +3

      @@KohalaLover exactly. They did this for fun, no compassion for animals and I may get a lot of flack for this,but any person that can kill an innocent defenseless animal has a depraved heart IMO.

  • @patsygodfrey9565
    @patsygodfrey9565 Рік тому +6

    Odd, don't you think that he didn't want to disclose anything about buster and his friends. I wonder if he was afraid to mention anything about buster.

  • @kirbysmith2057
    @kirbysmith2057 Рік тому +5

    I don’t understand why court rooms are not set up better! I have seen so many court rooms without proper equipment and enough room for attorneys and their evidence.

    • @gailgibson8617
      @gailgibson8617 Рік тому

      paul was a spoiled brat did not love animals i would not trust him sorry his life and family did not love him enough to teach him anything but killing and being careless with guns this town needs to stand up for people

  • @weavethehawk
    @weavethehawk Рік тому +65

    What breaks MY heart is thinking about the life expectancy of any poor wild creature who has the misfortune to exist anywhere near these people. ANY wild creature.

    • @thekittyqueen3495
      @thekittyqueen3495 Рік тому

      I agree. The killing for fun is , in my opinion, a huge indicator of psychopathy….the Murdaughs were voracious in every way, greedily depleting the resources of everyone and everything around them.

    • @bonnieprather610
      @bonnieprather610 Рік тому +14

      Exactly. The tables should be turned

    • @krickette5569
      @krickette5569 Рік тому +6

      @@bonnieprather610 Oh Puhleeezzze.

    • @bonnieprather610
      @bonnieprather610 Рік тому +8

      @@krickette5569 you southners are somethin else

    • @Romenet310
      @Romenet310 Рік тому +6

      Because they are hunters?

  • @valerierowlett153
    @valerierowlett153 Рік тому +6

    Buster gives me the creeps.

  • @MsGretel8
    @MsGretel8 Рік тому +4

    Why have they NOT replaced this microphone yet? Why do they not see it as an issue when everyone is told to get closer, speak into the mic

  • @happycamper1372
    @happycamper1372 Рік тому +6

    Maggie & Paul both depended on Alex for money, they both kept spending all the while being sued. Alex knew disclosing his financials was going to put light into how broke they were & the new fact he was fired for stealing.

  • @flynnlizzy5469
    @flynnlizzy5469 Рік тому +17

    Grief and shock so terrible that you lose your ability to speak. Been there, done that. Unless you somehow became aware that such a thing can happen, it seems unlikely to me that he would have thought of doing this on his own. When I say I lost the ability to speak words, I mean it was GONE. Like I had never learned the physical part of communicating, making sound with my breath and vocal chords. As guilty as I think he is at times, other times I think that there is no way that hew would have done such a thing. Watching that video of them laughing together just a short time prior to the murders plus friends/sons testimony of the families relationships .... man, I just don't know.

    • @r.c.miller6161
      @r.c.miller6161 Рік тому +1

      So who did it? Who is Alex protecting?

    • @TaraConti
      @TaraConti Рік тому +1

      Do you feel any differently now?
      Because I know what you mean and I’ve been having the same questions . I’m just not totally convinced yet… idk… I keep going back and forth on this one. Something’s just off.

    • @r.c.miller6161
      @r.c.miller6161 Рік тому +1

      So why isn’t Alex & his family who are selling off Maggie’s property insisting on a concerted effort to identify the real culprit(s)???

    • @Winter0425
      @Winter0425 11 місяців тому +1

      Right but I remind myself this is also a man who lied to family and close friends (basically family) all his career. On top of very vulnerable clients. Basically everyone. So chilling. I wonder what was the very first time
      He stole and what he was thinking. Like you don’t go to law school with the intention to become a theif. Was it family pressure? Seems he never said no to his boys or wife. He’s certainly not the first man to kill a spouse or child

  • @challanger275
    @challanger275 Рік тому +15

    They had over 38 guns and pistols at home the place must’ve been like an arsenal, and the guns were lying around all in every building out house vehicle in the whole property

    • @devonremy6581
      @devonremy6581 Рік тому +5

      Sick father, sick sons. Guns. What could possibly go wrong?

    • @patevans3709
      @patevans3709 Рік тому +3

      And they did not appear to be in any kind of locked storage! I am surprised they did not have break-ins several times per week. Since everyone in the area knew about them, I would think everyone knew there were LOTS of guns in the house.

    • @challanger275
      @challanger275 Рік тому +3

      @@devonremy6581 it’s even when he took his truck to the shop to be repaired there was a shotgun behind the seat, and there was a Ruger in the glove box for me. What the hell was going on

    • @challanger275
      @challanger275 Рік тому

      @@devonremy6581 it’s a white dead. Nobody was killed in a gun accident years ago with that many guns just lying around.

    • @karaward7212
      @karaward7212 Рік тому +2

      And other people knew about this also