Look at my post... 1st. Everyone who applies to these schools are qualified for the most part ( especially the minorities). 2. I said years ago what I said NOW.. ITs white students ( legacies) taking these slots and ASIANS KNOW IT but they dont ever go after them but after other minorities.. that is why I never respected their fight.. you are going for the easy target and not the real culprit.. its weak, pathetic, and not worthy of my respect. if Asians outscore everyone then why are these universities still predominately white? Lets be honest with ourselves! Also, Asians helped get rid of affirmative action thinking blacks and browns would fight it and we didnt. We didnt even care because its done very little for us and helped and guess what.. After Affirmative Action Asian enrollement has still not increased.. what does that tell you? But white enrollment has.. ROFL..
But Asians have the highest non-white admission rate in the USA. It sounds like you all were doing well with college admission. So why target Affirmative Action when the real issue was legacy policies in these schools which benefit mostly white student. To me, you all played the fool as you did not understand or appreciate the racist history of colleges in this country which was for centuries to block admission for anyone who was not white. The only thing that helped reduced that racist practice was the civil rights movement which AA was derived from.
@@aspensky5 They hid my reply.. like I said it was white legacy students always taking these slots and not other minorities but Asians go for the low hanging fruit and dont address the real issue
How did you know if you were rejected because of your race and not your performance though? And no, I'm not talking about during the time of segregation. BTW, Affirmative Action hurts Black students the most. Because now no one values your degree, we just don't talk about it openly.
I should also clarify only economic background should be taken into account. An A+ from a rich student with 10 tutors and million easily funded extra curricular activities is not the same as an A+ from a poorer student at an underfunded school or working a full time job with no extra help
Currently what indications do colleges know the applicants race from? Do they ask the race in the application? And maybe from the last name and through interview? I genuinely don't know because i don't live in the US.
The fact that this young man went to such great lengths just to get his answer shows what he's made of. I hope he knows that he was going to succeed no matter where he went for college
I have told so many people white people can definitely be discriminated, easiest example - The Jewish People were discriminately because Hitler said they occupied most of financial area. The Nazi said the Jews stole all of the money, that's basically affirmative action in Jewish form
He will. It's just that not black students don't always get the same level of support from their institutions that's why affirmative action exists. Asians already make up a high percentage of the overall enrollment at ivy league schools anyway. This kid could make it just as easily if he went to a state university.
Coming from an Indian American who attended a Public Ivy, I'm more upset about the impact that legacy admissions has at these universities. This practice needs to end as it continues to have the largest impact on the applicant pool at "elite" universities.
@@annajohnson308 Public colleges and universities in the US that have comparable education quality to the Ivy League. There's around thirty of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Yet, many people choose to be blissfully ignorant. They make black America the center of their problems when it has always been the system implemented by white supremacy... everything I grew up hearing from many black activists is coming into fruition, but people got so much disdain for black America the lack accountability
The American k 12 education system has already wasted a lot of money. Spending a lot of money does not equal to good results. In the past, they have spent the extra money on inner cities. It's just all wasted. Someone has to figure out how to spend money wisely.
Public School Funding Per Student Averages 80% More Than Private Schools: According to the New York Times, one of the main reasons why public K-12 schools are reopening more slowly from Covid-19 lockdowns than private schools is because public schools generally have less money. Times reporter Claire Cain Miller makes this claim three times in a single article, but her assertion IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF REALITY and has been so FOR DECADES. Twenty-five years ago, the U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimated that public K-12 schools spent an average of 43-52% more per student than private schools in the 1991-92 school year. Since then, DOE data shows that inflation-adjusted average spending per public school student has risen by 40%. Consistent with that DOE data, new research by Just Facts reveals that average public K-12 school funding per student is about 80% higher than private schools. Specifically, the latest DOE data shows that governments spent an average of $14,439 for every student enrolled in K-12 public schools in the 2016-17 school year. In comparison, Just Facts estimates that private schools spent an average of $8,039 per student in the same year. The figure for private school spending was determined by Just Facts with data from the DOE and U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. All methodological details are provided in the footnotes located here, and all data and calculations are shown in this spreadsheet. Furthermore, DOE’s figure for public school spending per student doesn’t include the costs of state government administration, unfunded pension liabilities, and public worker post-employment benefits (like health insurance). In contrast, Just Facts’ figure for private schools is comprehensive and includes all spending by private consumers, nonprofit organizations, and governments. This means that the full public school funding advantage is greater than 80%. ( www.justfactsdaily.com/public-school-funding-per-student-averages-80-more-than-private-schools )
The supreme court only banned the "race-based" affirmative action - Which is 100% the right decision. Race based affirmative action was so dumb when you think about it. Colin Powell's children and grandchildren getting further advantages over White student from a trailer park or Asian student from a family running a takeaway shop? Really? How was that EVER fair? This is the issue with the race based quotas - The quotas should be based on the "Socio economic" background if you really want to help those born into disadvantaged background.
Grew up in an Asian American neighborhood and saw this happen. There was this boy who was like, honestly one of the kindest people, super smart, great GPA, great with people, and constantly involved in school leadership. He even went on to do humanitarian things in 3rd world countries after graduation, and I always thought he had great leadership skills for someone at such a young age. I was really surprised to hear he got rejected from his top schools. However, another Asian American friend of mine who was on the lower percentile of grades in the IB program got into all those schools. She told me she felt bad because almost all the other IB kids got rejected from those schools, but she felt like it was because in her statement, she wrote about her overcoming cancer. The standards seem incredibly high using this system. That boy really should’ve also got in. And they always talk about how high performing Asian American students are, but they don’t talk about the other half of that statistic: that Asian Americans have the highest gap in wealth in the country. I think there’s something to that that’s correlated with what’s talked about in the video. Also, not to dox the original intent of this process of trying to prevent discrimination and acknowledge the discrepancy of privileges one race gets over another, but perhaps creating more resources to boost support and quality education for communities that have less access to it can help balance it out for other races that this policy was supposed to help. It’s a balancing act, and totally will take some time. I’m happy to see us learn from and want to move forward with better policies for everyone! Healthy discussion is a great step forward and so encouraging.
The one thing is that certain communities value certain things other than other communities and while divisive and uncomfortable to think about, it is quite true.
There's a at least a story like this in every community. I just find the argument lazy. I got rejected...I think a "Black" kid took my spot because of affirmative action. Which kid? Errm let me find the low ranking "Black" kid to blame. I bet you could also find low ranking Asian students in the school but hey...blame the "Black" kid.
They should perform one of those classical experiments where they submit different university applications with identical SAT scores, GPAs, Statements of Purpose, letters of recommendation, extra curricular activities, etc. The only differences would be the applicants' name, ticked off box and zip code.
The thing is sometimes they were selected for the interview but rejected after. Like it was mentioned, personality during the interview matter so the interview could argue whatever because it is subjective.
University of British Columbia did an experiment years ago on job applications: exact same resume but white vs Asian names. Well, let’s just say the result was what we expected.
I had a friend who was Asian American and didn't get into Michigan even though he had the grades and the SAT scores. Another person in their grade had subpar grades, and SAT scores but got in due to the legacy enrollment procedures. Really sad, I don't even think he went to college based on that decision a few years ago.
I definitely think that legacy admissions policies and practices are way more detrimental to the higher ed system than affirmative action. If the first didn't exist, the need for the other could lessen substantially (my opinion, not based on research).
@stevenvillarreal8970 *That's why UCLA Prof Michael Chang says:* "There's an irony when it comes to Asian-American students: *Elimination of race-conscious admissions* *isn't necessarily[ going to increase their chances of gaining admission, and could ultimately hurt them."* ("How Asian Americans Became The Center Of The Affirmative Action Debate").
Why do Asian America just assume college admission is about a test score and grades. How good were their essays and recommendations, did they have leadership and extracurriculars, it’s so much more and they seem to not be able to grasp this
This is what happens when you create a unequal system for admission, give one more points and less to another. The consequences are that, everyone feel discriminated.
the system of admission takes a wholesome approach. its just funny that by trying ti be fair you have a few people that are buthurt and then instead of trying to see orher avenues decide to blame black people. smh
"they're too clever for their own good" I've heard this said so many times about Asians. If we're going to go for affirmative action, let's have more Asians in media, film, journalism, sport. Let's force the NBA and NHL and NFL to have more Asians as part of quotas.
If you don’t like affirmative action, you shouldn’t have come here. You’d be shown preference in your own country just like Black American slave descendant people and White American women are with affirmative action.
Because Asians are realizing that less and less are getting accepted in college, after the defeat of Affirmative Action. They can't blame anyone now. @@Joenzinator
As an adult in the working world, let me tell all the students out there, 99% of employers don’t care where you got your degree. They care if you can do your job well. And college doesn’t really prepare you for a job. 75% of my job I learned on the job.
Interesting point ! I'm still in high school and I'll like to ask you how to get an interview with employers because I thought if you graduate from elite uni, it would be easier to get a job interview.
@@James_C_Park the best way to get interviews is through relevant internships/ apprenticeships and networking. My first job out of grad school, I had applied to but didn’t hear anything back. Then when my academic advisor realized that she had gone to college with someone on the board and reached out to them on my behalf, I was able to get an interview and land the job. But I kept the job because I was hardworking and teachable.
I have to agree with you. When I first went out looking for an SDE job with my perfect GPA in a top CS school, I am not even half as competitive as somebody who has prior work experience. After merely 2 years, things take a 180 degrees turn and tons of companies/startups start to reach out to me voluntarily.
as a 10+ years HR executives, I can tell you this is so not true. Ivy degree matters tremendously, and you won't even get any interviews from prestigious firms otherwise
I think we need to level the playing field from K-12. If every public school in the nation had the same funding and quality of education, then there wouldn’t be the need to artificially balance things out during college admissions. Students have put in so much work to get into the top universities and it’s unfair to deny them of something they’ve already earned.
So if people have the capacity to excel we shouldn’t allow them to have a better education? So we end up collectively dumber? Sounds like a horrible idea if we want to nurture the gifted population and remain innovative.
Well as long as this country continues to make the quality of your education contingent on your zip code and who is paying more property taxes, kids who are attending those low funded schools are f$$$$. And because this is America, that's very unlikely to happen anytime soon.
@@CaseyBurnsInvesting they said of every public school had the same funding and quality of education, nothing in that suggest that opportunities will be taken away from bright students. Quite the contrary because it will allow more students who have potential to be reached.
But the thing is, kids don't live in school, do they? They live with their parents, at home, and all kids have different socioeconomic backgrounds. Even if all public schools have the same quality, it does not ensure every kid will absorb the education at the same rate. Asians have a culture that very highly appreciates high education, that's why there's a lot of that doctor and engineer stereotype. In African American male culture, however, there's this notion that going to school is 'selling out', and being school smart has a negative connotation.
Both affirmative action and legacy admission are awful since they deny meritocratic factors of admission and instead take factors such as race, family legacy, etc. I really hope that SCOTUS will overturn affirmative action
Had the schools be financially constricted, admission by donation might be good for everyone. In that while the one who donated got in, the money thereof also enabled two other people from getting in (that is to say the total donation added three slots which the donor only takes one) But given how much endowment a lot of the universities have.... I'm rather uncertain about the actual effects. This might be a thing for some developing countries and not the US. And ofc, even if financial constrict is a matter of consideration, this would only apply to donations that are public and honest. Private donations (bribes) does not benefit anyone other than the involved parties.
You know White people primarily benefit from that, (35% of all Ivy League students are legacy, and that’s the easiest way of being accepted, lol) so they’re not going to come for it like something that would benefit Black people, Hispanic people, and women.
Black students make about 7% of the total population in these Ivy League schools. Most of them major in non stem courses. The probability of these Asians getting denied is still high. There won't be a significant change in the acceptance rate. In fact, it'll be a big win for the smart black kids who'll take pride in their accomplishments without being labeled as beneficiaries of the system.
they are literally beneficiaries of this racist policy. The removal of SAT scores, or lower threshold to qualify by race, is textbook definition of racism. DEI was supposed to ensure that black people weren't getting rejected because of their race, now they are getting accepted because of their race.
@@buttofthejoke "getting accepted because of their race.' Whoa WHoa mait. You have to prove that another student was addimited who was black, replacing this student. Don't accuse random students of being accepted based on "race", without definite proof
Admission should have been done on merit point. a black students get 50% mark, get chance to admit in a university.on the other hand a asian students do not get admission into university inspite getting sufficent number. This is pure discrimination based on races clearly. DEI is introduced to implement diversity during Different era. Now this is misused by Black community. Which is extremely benefited the rich Black Community rather than marginalised Community. @@buttofthejoke
@@buttofthejoke why havent acceptance rates for Asians gone up? there are statistics that says the rates of blacks and latinos have gone down. for sure more asians are getting accepted right?
Someone once said to me, “You should apply to Yale, you are exactly the type of person they are looking for.” I just realized how sad it was that my response was, “I would if I wasn’t Asian.” As we can all expect, I didn’t even try to apply to any Ivy league schools, I just accepted I would be discriminated against. I never felt anger towards it, but it is unfortunate.
What boggles my mind is that Asians continue to vote Democrats after all what left have done to you guys. From college admission to hiding the facts of violent crime against you.
@@markusrose9667 Thats the difference between Asian Americans and other races in America. Other races quick to fight back while majority Asian Americans feel like our voice barely matter or it never did. To many discrimination acrossed the U.S have proven this. On top of that our parent be like know your place because its not our homeland (even tho i / we was born here lol) to interfere with Americans politics or everyday lifestyle.
@@sohkathatch4081 well… maybe it’s not your parents homeland but it is your country. Asian-Americans make great Americans. I like to see Asian align more with whites, actually. They have some common interests like a more meritocratic education system and less crime.
I'm honestly happy that there are people who care about getting into certain college and hold them to certain standards. I never cared about college in high school. I only went because my parents wanted it. I made it through college and even graduate school with good GPAs. I got a job outside of my degrees and I'm happy with it. I really just went to college to make my parents proud.
"When we only consider Socioeconomic Status without considering race, what we see is a drop in the enrollment of underrepresented student populations, especially African American students." If it's not the socioeconomic disadvantage causing the disadvantage in admissions, then access to prestigious universities, and subsequently better economic opportunities, will never address the issue at hand. We need to understand the root cause of this issue to create a true solution.
Because AA does not even benefit these groups. Holistic admissions looks at test scores and other factors like the school they went to. American education isn’t the same all around. Many black people that attend these universities had to fight hard to overtime their disadvantages. Also a study from Georgetown law showed that Asians do not benefit from removing affirmative action because they benefit from it. They would have marginal gains due to them just simply accepting more high test score applicants
A very small percentage of students are selected through affirmative action. Not everyone can attend the same top Ivy. You’re life isn’t over because Harvard isn’t on your resume.
@@mmb8210 I for sure give zero f's about prestiege since this is how they milk ur money. I'm a roboticist but college is broken and it makes desperate and passionate people pay innexcusable prices because of that mindset of really wanting to do good in this world. Instead I'll be an electrician where you actually get paid aas a student and I still get to do a form of engineering and I can still do robotics aside. I aint lettin greedy college board steal my money lol
If you had to choose a college on my resume, wouldn't you want the most recognized one like... such as Harvard? but imagine being in a certain ethnic group is a penalty. Uh oh? sounds like racism!
Unless there is some way to make admissions blind there will always be problems. Human beings will always show preference to their own group first. That is why Affirmative Action was created in the first place. Legacy admissions should be done away with. In fact, the entire "Ivy League" lots of money for college and heavy college debt has become a huge trap for many. I think many of my ivy league student interns in the medical field realized such when I was the one teaching and training them despite the fact that I went to state and city colleges. If you live in any U.S. city you will be serviced by doctors, lawyers and other professionals, many of whom were not even trained in this country. I hope people wake up to this money grab scam.
As a friend of mine, who was devastated to find out he wasn't accepted to Harvard, told me, "Even an unfinished Ivy League diploma is like a huge wind behind your sail." Yes, it's not cheap, but its network along with the prestige is what makes it worth the expense. A fancy degree from a top school gives you the presumption of being highly qualified, even if you're in fact you're well below average. It will also swing doors open that are normally closed to the vast majority, such as landing you the job simply because having you on board makes the employer look good. All that said, the real problem is America's disdain for education, its misanthropy along its false meritocracy. The country is going through a shrekification where like the movie Shrek, it's mythologies and egalitarian narratives are crumbling fast, revealing a hideous unequal, violent, and woefully ignorant society. To the rest of the world, America is now a charade, a pied piper of tall fairy tales.
"Humans will always show preference for their own group first" Then why would Asian people be so successful? They have little power in the selection process.
That's not true. Most, possibly even all, international doctors need to redo their medical residency in America. For lawyers, NY and CA tend to be the most lenient but other states have much stricter requirements for foreign lawyers to sit for the bar exam
Affirmative action and the welfare state IS REPARATION, those are not to 'prevent human affecting their preference to their own group'. Those were created to implement policy based on victimhood class, and in this case based on race, regardless of how much they actually been a victim or even are they actually a victim or not.
This is a very tough situation to solve. On one hand, we shouldn’t punish kids based on their ethnicity. You don’t get to choose your ethnicity. On the other hand, we know that there are many less fortunate kids who would be rockstars if they had given the same opportunity as the wealthier kids. Maybe instead of affirmative action based on race, we can make it based on social economic status? But I’m sure there will be people unhappy about that as well
Well said. Moreover, there needs to be more resources given to people of lower socioeconomic statuses so that they have a chance before college admissions, before high school, etc. Better schools, more extracurricular activities offered in those schools and in the neighborhood which make children both well rounded for the sake of a balanced life and for the sake of college admissions in the future. That being said though, there's always going to be someone who has more and someone who has less - winners and losers - haves and have nots. So while we want to give everyone an equal shot, the fact of the matter is that it's impossible to give everyone a chance. So what happens then? I guess it becomes a matter of how can we give as many people as possible a fair shot? Moreover, how should fair be defined? Equal opportunity? Equal outcomes? It's tricky because no matter what approach we take, someone is bound to get the short end of the stick. With affirmative action, it's the asian americans. With standard systems that reward meritocracy, it's the latinos and african americans. Who gets hurt the least? What is best for society in the short term and long term? How do we measure that? Another thing to consider with opportunities given to underrepresented groups is the performance of those students once they GET IN to those schools. Some might not be able to keep up with the work load, making it pointless to have them attend a rigorous academic program. Moreover, they might not fit in socially either. So while they want to diversify campuses, it might be a disservice to anyone who isn't represented enough, especially in the beginning when it's still new.
I feel the same way. I'm Asian but my family is seriously not wealthy. I couldn't do after-school hours activities because I didn't have a ride home due to my parents working. I have a special-needs brother and I was basically his supervisor during all of my school years. I did not have health insurance throughout my childhood. But I did have a relatively good childhood - I didn't suffer a lot (like I had food every day), I had great friends, didn't have cancer/illness, etc. If I studied super well and got 4.0 gpa, maybe I could have the chance to apply to any ivy leagues but... I feel like I would likely be rejected anyways since I didn't have much of a "personality" (was just an easy-going person when I was in high school) or "personal hardship" to talk about (maybe the closest thing would be seeing my parents work a lot - but I feel like these colleges would have heard that a billion times already).
@@AndreiFantasticwell that doesn’t matter. Wealth isn’t a protected class like race/ethnicity. Universities can continue to discriminate based on wealth for the sakes of fairness and I’m 100% for it
@@AndreiFantastic Most Asians and most Asian countries were dirt poor just a few decades ago. They overcame poverty and achieved economic development through hard work and determination.
Now that AA is gone it appears the only group now affected is the one that brought the action in the first place. Do you know what has risen... Yes, the Legacy admissions. Yale, have just published their data. Asian Americans admissions have dropped from 30% to 25%, African American admissions remain steady at 14% and Latino admission saw a small rise to 19 %. The REAL reason why AA came into existence is because minorities with top grades and SAT scores were not getting into Ivy league colleges because they were being overlooked in favour of their YT counterparts with much lower grade scores. Somehow, they twisted it the other way around and spread miss-information
It is estimated that anywhere from 25 to 35% of admitted students at Ivy League schools come from a family with a legacy status. That's a major thing for educational institutions that accept fewer than 10 percent of the students who apply.(THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE)
As an expert college counselor, I have lots of questions here. There is no mention of the actual level of reflection, writing style, cohesiveness, etc of his overall application. It is very entitled to automatically assume you must have been rejected for your race, when in fact, I see a lot of students with top scores who do not know how to write about their experiences in an elegant way, do not have the typical personality that that school is looking for, etc. He says he got into 2 Ivys, but that was not enough? Most people get into none. Just because you are a smart student does not make you what these schools are looking for. It is the whole package, the ESSAYS, the interview, etc. Scores and grades are just to get you into the room, but there are so many other details here that were not mentioned. I would actually love to see his essays and see if they meet the standards of my students who have gotten into these schools, Asian or not. Also, I am a Harvard graduate, and personally, the best part of school was that there were people from all backgrounds. It didn't feel like there was one race dominant over another. Eliminating affirmative action would have changed that entire experience and REDUCED the intentional diversity.
If you’re an “expert college counselor” then you should know what the central part of the complaint in this lawsuit is and yet you don’t. So let me educate you so you can continue to pretend to be an expert. Harvard uses a nebulous “personal rating” score to triage the initial 60,000 applications. This score is given before the alumni interviews, before anyone has met the applicant. Yet Asian American students get overwhelmingly lower scores compared to whites, Hispanics, and Blacks. As Justice Alito just said in the supreme court hearings, either 1. Asians are in fact less personable or 2. There’s something wrong in the process of how that score is given., I.e. racially discriminatory. Given how competitive it is, that one low score is enough to have that applicant removed from any further consideration for admission. This tool removes a large number of Asian applicants from the pool right away. This is racism. It’s unconstitutional as the Court will prove.
"That was not enough?" Not everyone goes for prestige. There could be various reasons that it makes it his dream college. Maybe the campus, maybe the alumni or on-campus connections, or maybe the food.
Thank you for stating what needed to be said. It’s perplexing that the experts on college admissions, have never worked in college admissions! Thank you for shedding light on how this process works. Your rejection from an ivy league school first comes down to statistics. MOST STUDENTS GET REJECTED. The 4%-10% that are admitted go through a holistic review. To assume that your race is what got you rejected from the most selective schools in the world is arrogant and not based on any evidence at all. Colleges are not entitled to share with students how they selected their incoming class. Asian Americans are the largest represented race at all ivys/selective schools as well. What about that indicates discrimination???
Wouldn’t it be some ish if all of this was propagandized and lauded only for the same amount of Asian applicants to get in or less. Since they really believe getting rid of it instead of being included is the problem of course…
I don’t get the immediate jump to “I didn’t get in so it’s about my being Asian”. Or “an unqualified black person took my place”. Sometimes you don’t get in because they didn’t want you.
The inherent prejudice in assuming that just because they are black they were unqualified. Harvard is not letting in bums of the street. Black students admitted still have to have a strong GPA, high test scores, strong essays and recommendations.
You dont need to get a degree from the top school to be successful in the real world. if you are good , you will success in the real world no matter what.
So true. Being Asian American myself knowing people that went to the top schools and no name schools, it really doesn't matter. What matters really is job experience. Having two young kids myself, I could care less about if they go to top schools after seeing how successful my friends careers are with degrees from no name colleges.
Well he got accepted into an Ivy league school but is angry because he didn’t get the name brand school that is worshipped by those around him (HARVARD, YALE)
@@sssssssss111 For real, some people don't recognize how good they have it and love playing the victim. He got into 2 ivy league schools anyways. Affirmative action clearly isn't hurting them as much as he's making it out to be. It's like a rich person complaining about being taxed fairly but still being plenty rich afterwards and all the while.
I’m in my 50’s, and discrimination against Asian Americans in UC schools was around over 30 years ago. That said, the best thing you can do for your kid is to encourage their entrepreneurship and (somehow) get them into the family business. All a college degree is is the the first step in working for someone else so they can make money.
I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!
I wish they would do a video about why people are so obsessed with attending an ivy league school. Like i went to a community college and then a public school, till this day no employer has looked at my resume and said "you went to a community college, you aren't the right material". Like i get the prestige but it's what you make of your degree. Also, as long as public schools in this country continue to be funded the way they are, separating race from the equation is going to be very difficult, even impossible. Race is very correlated with social economic status in this country. In NYC at least, a poverty map and a demographics map showing the race and ethnicity will look so similar at first or second glance you would think they are mapping the same things. This issue should obviously be addressed but i would prefer a system that doesn't zone schools based on property taxes since home ownership is correlated to social economic status which is in then correlated with race. So if you don't understand that and just say it should be based on merits, you will find yourself in a loop.
Well the obsession with an Ivy League university isn’t completely ridiculous. No, employers don’t really care that much about what school you went to, however, going to Ivy League schools open up more chances to make friends and network with people in the fields and industries you’re trying to get into. For example, at my school, George Mason University, most of our engineering and CS grads end up working at government contractors whereas at Stanford, CMU, and Harvard, the opportunities to connect with engineers from Google, Microsoft, etc are much more prevalent because a lot more of their alumnus work in those companies and some of those companies were even started by the alumnus of those schools. Now I’m sure engineering grads at GMU aren’t really complaining because government contractors do pay engineers pretty well compared to other professions, but it’s nowhere near the salaries that are offered by Silicon Valley tech companies and Wall Street high frequency trading firms. And tbh you can seriously make an argument that network effects are much more important to securing a job than your education.
@@minhquando100 I agree that the clout from attending these schools is great but you can land a job in tech with no degree. And while the people who obtained any CS degree benefit from having professors and placement centers who can connect you with someone in a faang company, attending an Ivy league school school shouldn't be pushed as the only or best way to get those jobs or make those connections. And specifically when the students are 17 or 18 and see an ivy league education as superior to other forms of schooling. I remember when I was in community college feeling embarrassed and like i failed even though I decided to go there for financial reasons and had gotten into multiple private universities. Today i can look back and recognize that that single decision saved my financial life and introduced me to a large network of people.
If you want crimes rates to drop and overall improvement of America, yes, social aspects of race factor in. Asians are smart and strategic and business orientated. Other than STEM why else enter college?
You went to a community college and public school, and I can tell you have more sense than a lot of people who went to those big name schools. I don't know you Cara Marie, but I like you!
Sorry to let you know, no employer has done that to you because the position you are applying to has no influence on such a questions as where you went to school. Try one day applying for a C-suite spot where one of the owner of the company came from an Ivy, let me know if your resume even gets pass HR regardless of your career accomplishment please.
a fair system is one that only consider merit and the factors that can influence the achievement of merit (e.g. social economic historical background). Race should not be a factor
And they should be fighting to equalize that at a high school level, in which the entry doesn't factor in later life applications ( no one puts down what highschool they went to as a positive factor when trying to get a job)
. Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing. A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet. Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged
@@kju666 you’re not the brightest….. the kids that apply to ivy leagues basically have the same gpa and they literally do admit ppl based off their essays and extracurriculars
Cuz Asians know they wouldn't get white support if they went after the legacy/doner program they're only complain about Black Americans but not Mexicans/other POC getting into ivy League. it overturned but by 2027 only thing people will see is a higher percentage of white people entering ivy league and getting accepted then they are going to try to play as the victim claiming they didn't know this will happened cuz everybody keep throwing out California got rid of it Asian students students were up to 40 to 50% but the problem they don't understand is those wasn't ivy leagues. The ivy league's help get connections to Power/ rich people throughout the corporate world we'll keep the power and influence in one major group of people. Somehow Asian think the white people are willing to give up that power to let more of them into the ivy league
As an non American I continue to feel annoyed that people chose to immigrate there despite all the racial politics they have there. I mean there's lots of Asian countries with great opportunities. Sorry but I just don't understand why ppl are still so hooked on the American dream
I’m Chinese, I study in Oklahoma. Small college . A lot sad and bad experiences and I can’t say anything about it. Being Asian live in USA is very hard. But im glad im still alive. Life is always hard for me, but this is life. Keep positive and move on. I’m still in Oklahoma having my terrible life which is not bad. I’m not asking for anything. I just Wish you guys can find your favorite school ❤❤❤ Best wishes
Then move back to CHINA. US/WESTERN IS RACIST TOWARDS TO ASIAN SPECIAL BLAK AMERICAN IS MOST BLOODY AGGRESSIVE RACIST HATEFUL TO ASIAN!! It sad alots CHINESE & ASIAN YOUNGFUL STUDENT GET BRAINWASHED BY US/WESTERN MEDIA & MOVIES. But after landing in Us/Western they’re facing racist hateful & true facts, different side & real face of West. Alots of Student & Youngful Adults sale everything & move to US/Cana/Uk because of US/Western brainwashed liars make them believe US/UK have best education & better systems, freedom & liberty But their country is FLOODY BY HOMELESS, DRUGGIES, THUGS, GUNPOINT ROBBERY, THRIVES & CRIMINAL, EVERYWHERE!! US/Western Gorvement & Media successful at brainwashed their people & young generation become crazy mental ignorant, blind hateful by racist & DUMB-DOWN!! Us is fails & falling so fast so bad. WHY NOT STUDY IN TOP CHINA UNIVERSITY OR TOP KOREA UNIVERSITY??
While I think he means well, there is no way to make this process truly "fair." You would have to literally eliminate private schools, tutors, rich parents and plenty of other things that give some kids advantages over others. If you have a kid with a 4.0 and a 30 ACT with a surgeon father and stay at home mother and a kid with a 3.7 and a 28 ACT who worked a job in high school to support his single mother, volunteered at his church and has great personal skills who would you take? Some people make take the latter and give him a chance. Why is there something wrong with looking at the whole applicant?
Your comment is neither here nor there. The question you pose has NOTHING to do with the issue raised in the video. There is no way to make the process fair, I agree, but there are ways to make the process fairER and NOT RACIST. You're talking about life experiences and opportunities, which 100% impact how well a student does and definitely give some a leg-up. That's not related to the issue of race. A more apt scenario to pose would be if you had a kid with a 4.0 and a full mark ACT with great personal skills who was Asian vs. a kid with a 3.7 28 ACT and good personal skills but was non-asian, in which case admissions officers would unfairly admit the non-asian.
The fact that he is so focused on grades and test scores lets me know other parts of his application were likely lacking like his essay, recommendations, leadership and extracurriculars. College admissions is about the whole package not a perfect score assembly line. His inherent prejudice in assuming any black student is automatically not as qualified as an Asian person demonstrates the kind of prejudice that led to the systemic discriminatory policies that policies like affirmative action were intended to correct.
Lol that narrative. Just because he's focused on grades and scores doesn't mean he is subpar in other aspects. That narrative is just as delusional as "certain races have lower IQs".
@@AC-ih1dr They are openly solving the "problem" of black opression 65 years ago by screwing over asians (another opressed group.) This doesn't solve rascism, its makes it worse. It sends a message to Asian-Americans whispering that "I am different". Race cannot be controlled, no one chooses it, so its foolish to expect something from it. I see no Asian-Americans defending Affirmative action, why do you think this is? And in this very commnet section, There people litterally claiming that Asians are taking over the US and they are all working for the Chinese government. Policies like this are proof that people of color can be rascist.
My daughter's high school has 80% Asian student and the only one got into Colombia this year is a Hispanic student who has below average GPA and no SAT score submitted. He himself was so surprised that he only applied because his Asian best friend applied.
People don’t realize Asian people was still discriminating against during affirmative action. And them taking it away made it way worse for them lmfao.
@@reahsahpagel3354asian people against aa got duped. Too many thought that once AA was removed , a meritocracy would magically appear, just forgetting how racist and classiest the us is.
Need to understand getting into Ivy Leagues isn’t that big of a deal and you’re not special for getting rejected. You’re also not that special for being accepted bc they focus on legacy admits
I think personality and overall likability are valid as partial criteria - your demeanor says a lot about who you are and how you’ve been able to process all the societal effects surrounding you. It’s not just about grades and extra curricular activities - admissions require much more than just a ‘checklist’ that your robotically check off because your parents forced it upon you. Colleges want to know that there’s a well rounded individual coming to attend that will contribute to the community and culture as a whole. This kid in this video is clearly being pushed into this role due to the pressures of having a doctor as a dad.
Indeed! The same is true for job interviews. The statement at 6:17 combined with Michael’s fear about his employer not recognizing what college he went to makes me believe that he’s been taught all of the wrong things about how college preps you for success.
I wrote a paper similar to this for my class assignment, idk if anyone wants to see it, or where I can post it, it's fairly understandable to the mast audience though, when I researched it I found out that not a lot of research have been done on these subjects compared to the African Americans, Hispanic population, even though the health barriers, language access, affirmative actions, are major issues for the Americans of Asian descent.
@@kju666 Well whatever other minorities communities champions, 99.8%, it trickles down and whatever law is passed it is usually broad that it covers all the communities that fall under the 'minority' group. From my research, Asian American (East Asians) are very selective and whatever issue that they protests they always make sure they get a satisfactory outcome for them and them only; rarely do you see any solidarity.
He's not dumb. He knows criticizing a system that benefits blk/poc would be welcome by many. But, to criticize a system that overwhelmingly benefits yt people would make him a target and leave a stench on him for many years.
Interesting video. There’s definitely no way to make this completely fair. Some applicants have advantages incoming to college and test scores definitely reflect it. Hopefully colleges can develop a way to make acceptance more fair or standardized.
the UNTOLD story here is that a ton of Asian students cheat. and the Universities know this "group cheating" goes on. the same way the Universities know wealthy parents pay off Admins to get them in school. = THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT COLLEGE ACCEPTANCE 3:41 it getting into his preference IVY league. as "smart as he is" he can shine in ANY university or community college. 👉🏽 👉🏾reputation over merit = is what he is asking for. when you have to work THAT HARD to get A's maybe you arent high IQ afterall. I got A's doodling and playing on my phone in class. Stereotypes are dangerous. which Asian country can he go in a "flex" like this. "smart asian students"sterotype DO NOT EXIST IN ASIAN COUNTRIES The same way "Im white and I said so " dont exist in Europe . right to the back of the line they go.🙂
@@Zeegoner if thats the case give free tutors to students who don't have such opportunity, not free admission to college at the expense of students who earned it with their hardwork
My Black son was a AP scholar, a national merit scholar, a PSAT scholar, had a GPA of 4.56, state champion in speech and debate, national finalist in speech and debate, while being from a single parent home with a mother who has a chronic disability that impacted his life significantly. He didn’t get into Harvard. Who should he blame!?!? Get over it!!! If anything, direct your actions towards legacy students who are very very underqualified, but still get into these elite universities because of their parent’s wealth. I guess it’s always easier to kick down!
What you said is very true. However the main reason why Harvard lost the case is because statistically speaking, there were significant discrimination against Asian students. Not just one individual case, but in big picture. “In the Harvard admissions process, “race is a determinative tip for” a significant percent of “of all admitted African and Hispanic applicants.” For example, John Roberts, chief justice, mentioned that academically bottom 40 percent of black students had higher chance to get accepted into Harvard than academically top 10% of Asian students.
@@정원우-z5j That still doesn’t answer my question. Who should I blame? The bottom line is he was more than qualified to be admitted into Harvard, but he wasn’t. I’m sure there were many less qualified students who were admitted. Who should I blame?!?
@@정원우-z5j The big picture is under qualified students are admitted to Harvard every year, and many are not Black and Brown. It’s common knowledge that this lawsuit was funded by wealthy, white conservatives. Why would Asians allow themselves to be used to take away one of the very limited opportunities that Black and Brown people have? As I said before, my son was not admitted and I know other less qualified people of all races made the cut. Those are the breaks, it’s wrong to single out Black and Brown people and blame them.
@@teetime3421 I'm sure your son is well qualified. It's unfortunate that your son didn't get into Harvard. If I remember correctly, the bottom 40 percentile of black students had 12.8 percent where as 12.7 percent of top 10 Asian students. The number for top 10 percent of black students was over 50. As numbers suggests, not all top 10 percent of any race of people get 100 percent guarantee of getting into Harvard. Your son probably fell into unlucky 40 something percent.
Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing. A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet. Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged
equal opportunity not equal outcome. Universities want to make sure there is a diversity in graduates. But by doing that they have to discriminate against some races to make room for other races.
To anyone rejected by schools especially the ivy's know that its much easier to transfer in if you really want to attend. Its the legacy's who get in that's taking up a large portion of admission class.
@@mujtabaalam5907 1% or 12 students transfer in each year to harvard. Legacy students account for almost 16% of freshman class and Harvard extension school acceptance is 100%. There are around 250 black students accepted in the freshman class. Those numbers are for Harvard. If you really want ivy league you can go.
I'm realizing based on comments and this video that people just don't know what they're talking about. 1. a third of admissions are legacy admissions from these Ivey league schools. which are Kids of the rich and powerful who attended but nobody says anything because that's the whole reason why people want to attend these schools to network, be friends and be in the life of these people. Ivy league schools literally go around telling people that you can have the best grades and still not get in. They have the lowest acceptance rate for a reason.
Talent are not lost if you want to be serious. Asian American can take care of themselves just fine. I agree it is still unfair but I can't help but see the enormous benefit for black people breaking the cycle of poverty at minute expense of Asian student. Asian student major lost is their dignity not their talent. Black and Asian still win one way or another isn't that a good trade off?
@@johnmaris1582 You're making an assumption that "Black" = "poor". And, why need there be a "trade off"? One more thing; what makes you think Black students aren't serious? There's a lot of bias in your response.
@@jc22358 I don't have the statistical link. What I recalled was that most black student even the excellent one are still largely underserved in public education. Not exactly poor, certainly underserved. Trade off is needed because it create better outcome. Black student are serious, they lift themselves to be above average under less ideal conditions.
@@johnmaris1582 What if Bill Gates was denied admission Harvard on the basis of his race. He wouldn’t have started Microsoft and we’d be societally poorer for it. The opportunity cost of systemic adverse selection against high achievers is devasting to the productive potential of the nation and is of course unethical.
@Jim Peterson This has to be one of the dumbest, most nonsense hypothetical replies I’ve seen on the internet in a long time. It shows how completely unserious you are about this topic. You just want to argue. I hope sounding smart wasn’t on your list as well, because epic fail in that department bucko.
I applied to a school in the 1980s, back then, their attitude was just, 'we have enough Asians.' First lesson on what being Asian-American is. Brutal, but so. Nobody said 'maybe we shouldn't have quotas' because the African-Americans were benefiting.
Black Americans only benefited the first decade the idea originated. After that it was totally hijacked by white women, "people of color" and black immigrants. All of you are lucky I'm not the lawyer in any of these cases, you would have to show me actual black Americans who benefited. Parasitic think tanks and parasitic nonprofits are who brings these lawsuits. And you all continue tiptoeing around the fact that certain schools will remain majority white, no matter what. That's why these cases don't amount to anything.
Brutal? You clearly weren’t paying attention in history class on the lessons on systemic discriminatory American policies that prevented qualified African Americans from going to certain colleges. Affirmative action was instituted to correct a systemic issue and should never have been expanded to include other “people of color” groups that didn’t have the same disadvantage levied against them. You aren’t automatically qualified because you are Asian and a black person isn’t automatically less qualified because they are black and to think that exposes you level of ignorance and is actually just as racist.
I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!
It doesn’t make sense to solely blame Affirmative Action as the reason for his rejection and not a host of other factors, from donor status, athletics, legacy status, first generation, etc. To single out the Affirmative Action shows that this is not based on making the playing field fairer, but biasing it in favor of privileged people who only care about gaining admission to an Ivy League university. If Affirmative Action is in whole or part predicated upon racial identity in order to achieve formerly lacking (or banned) diversity, how does that squarely harm Asian student? Are spaces that go to underrepresented groups somehow supposed to go towards Asian students for some specific reason?
But y’all don’t get it. The reason why they don’t go after legacies is because they want their kids to go to these schools as well. That’s literally what it is. They we taught to fight for this and so are their kids.
@@TomikaKelly So, what else is more important than Grade? Why Race is part of the selection criteria? 1400 can be selected due to Black and Brown? There is no justice.
@@All-gp3tt Black and Latino people barely even 10% of the Ivy League Population.. Asian Americans are the most dominate race group to attend Ivy Leagues.. Them and white people apply the most. I know a lot of smart people which high grades who were Black or Hispanic get rejected also. White women statistically benefited the most from Affirmative Action. Stop trying to drag POCs into this statement.
I promise 99% of the working world does not care if you went to Harvard or your local community college. It’s so short-sighted to think that one thing will have a drastic outcome on your life.
It's so short-sighted of you to assume that these top 1% students want to join the 99% of the working class. No, they want to go to a top 1% schools so they can become the top 1% of the working class. You think I would go to Johns Hopkins Medical School to graduate and work at the local clinic in Timbuktu? No, I would like to work at the best hospitals in the World. A person in your local community college becoming a top 1% wage earner is an anomaly. A person who went to 1% top school earning top 1% wage is normal. It's just that obvious, it's kind of shocking that you can't relate to it.
So… Michael got into two different Ivy League schools and got admission into other non-Ivy League schools but he’s upset? What is this really about? Michael seems like an ungrateful person. He wanted bragging rights. Who benefits from abolishing Affirmative Action? You could target students who bribe their way into college, legacy students, etc. Did Michael consider that maybe he’s just not that exceptional?
The fact that we keep having this conversation about Black and Brown people but never see a serious threat to legacy admissions is very telling. Everyone wants “blind” admissions because it will allow them to remain blind to the obvious truth: nothing in this country has ever been “fair” or “equal” for POC, especially Black people. But, when comes to remedies that attempt to truly balance the scales… those efforts are evil… not the racist history (and laws) that made this country (and its institutions) extremely rich. Many qualified applicants are not accepted to their top choice of school or workplace. Not everything is guaranteed to you.. it is not “yours” just because you are qualified. Black people know this. The right always decries a sense of entitlement until it impacts people they like or deem worthy. Asian people, please do not allow yourselves to be used as weapons to attack Black and Brown people or to dismantle DEI. The model minority myth is a trap. Your complicity in it hurts other Asian people and people of color.
😂😂😂 yes on black and Latin community. Mit student profile after removal of affirmative action black 15% to 5% and Latin 16% to 11% and Asian community 40% to 47% so it works. Privilege take away from who are getting privileged 😂😂 so I think you will feel sad now 😂😂
@@sirg3137 why are u lying? Yale, Princeton & Duke they all decreased in Asian American admission. While Black remains the same & latine increase. Now In MIT, Amherst and Brown both Black & latine decreased. Only legacy admission is benefiting from this . Please read a News.
A lot of people go to the top public university in their state and go to the ivys for post grad and do great. Imo the bachelors degree is the new high school diploma. Go public and then take on debt for post grad at a ivy if necessary.
As Asian American, there's nothing more satisfying than becoming rich and wealth through becoming your own CEO than trying to make it into an Ivy College. I personally rather make millions through my business ventures and trying to be the perfect student or perfect employee and still get rejected because you're not good enough.
Hey Michael you have won, heck the entire Asian community have won. Today justice prevailed. Today is a day to remember and celebrate. Today is the day of fairness and true equality. We South Asians are just as happy as East Asians. We all should come together and celebrate because top schools will no longer punish us for our hardwork.
Why do you Asians think black kids don't earn everything they get? It's more White privileges kids in those schools with low scores and you're focused on black and brown kids. Who taught you that BS? Michael is going to get a reality check and realize how smart those black and brown kids are. He's going to also realize that that degree is equivalent to division 3 schools and HBCUs.
Michael was taught by his father hate. He never once said White girls are getting accepted with low test scores. All the focus is on black and Hispanics. The problem with you all is you're taught that you're smarter than black people. Michael is going to have a really check once he find out how smart those kids in his class are. Ivy League degree is no different than any other degrees. Once you graduate your boss or people you work with may have attended a Junior College, Morehouse, Spellman, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Northwestern, Boston College, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Tulane, UCLA, U of California ect...
@@Muskogee I want to let you know that no we don’t think we are smarter than black people. Because I personally have known many African immigrants who are way smarter and get better grades than me or any other Asian kid in our class. Also, we too are not smart we just study extra hard. The problem with American black people is your gang and street culture that don’t value education. That same culture says to black people who are studying hard “Acting white”. That culture is the problem and that culture is what holding you guys back from success. When it comes to AA for white girls it’s changing because colleges have significantly low number of males and they were going to give AA to males because of low enrollment in males. I personally don’t support that either because college admissions should only be based on MERIT only race and gender should play no part in it at all. I hope you can understand.
Equality is the fundamental value of this nation, at least it is what is taught in high school and written in the constitution. Unfortunately, Asian kids grew up knowing it's just a facade.
Hmm funny you said that African Americans been saying the same thing for 100s of years in America. If it wasn’t for MLK for the 1964 civil rights act, Asians still would not been able to get citizenship
You have to realize affirmative action never benefited African-Americans in this country it benefited white women but not African Americans so the fight is actually futile.
😂😂😂 hahaha you are living in dream world then . after removal of affirmative action MIT students profile black students decrease by 15% to 5% . Data talk but you kind of woke people don't check reality . Asian student increase by 7% 40% to 47% and your are talking about it's giving white woman advantage 😂😂😂😂 so much agenda. White student down by just 1% 39% to 38% 😂😂😂 now. what you say Mr woke religion follower?? 😹😹 It's clearing given black students advantage and then Latin students because there also down by 5% from 16% to 11%
I went to Yale and there was certainly a much greater percentage of Asians there than black or Hispanic kids many who were undoubtedly just as if not more qualified. It is racist to assume the only “truly qualified” candidates are Asians especially when their applications are known to be lacking on essays, activities, leadership, and strong recommendations
You should see the people who were rejected who are Asian. They are just as if not more qualified than you and your peers. It is disproportionality so for Asians.
Of course we can't recognize the special privilege that people who have FATHERS in their families that disadvantage so many African Americans who don't know their father and don't live with their father. Because, you know, single parent families are just as good as two parent families, and if they aren't the children of such families deserve to get special privileges because of this disadvantage.
Michael Wang in this video said he worried he would be denied a job if an employer didn't recognize the institution he went to for college. There lies the problem.
He comes across as a spoiled brat who cannot live-up to mommy and daddy's standards. He's studying to be a lawyer, he'll sue the bar association when he doesn't pass. I'm going to go a bit farther, that's what all the Asians in this video are #LowHangingFruit
if black people need to just work harder to improve their condition, why don't white parents tell their kids that and not put them through expensive schools?
Whenever a talented person is held back because of their ethnicity or gender, our society loses out on the talent of that person. For that reason I think that doing away with Affirmative Action was a good step in the right direction. That being said, we could still have something like Affirmative Action that focuses on family wealth instead of race. That would do more for equity than AA ever did.
having been admitted to an ivy league university, it was a waste of time. go to a school that teaches practical skills. employers are looking for employees who can actually work in real life and not just book smart.
I think people focus too much on where they go to university instead of how they plan to spend their time at the university they end up at. Sure, ivies will open doors for people and make it easier to build successful careers in the future, but it also isn't the only way. I personally went to a decent state school and now I'm making $85k at my first job out of college doing consulting at a large tech company (think one tier below FAANG). In any case, my point is that we all are dealt cards in life, but what matters is how we play with the hands we're dealt.
Hi! If you don't mind, could you please tell me about your career journey? Like what you did during your university years, if you had any internships/apprenticeships and so on.
I'm happy for you but ivies can enter consulting and big law which pay 300k/yr+ to new grads. You aren't eligible for those positions based on your school prestige. There's also a lot of state schools that are just junk, take mine for example where people just drink and party while the academics are utter garbage. Recruiters don't touch it during career fairs. I'm highly envious of states that have elite public schools (i.e. UVA, UNC, UMich) because their education is comparable to that of an ivy league.
as someone who works in healthcare diversity is super imporant tho. Studies show you are more likely to listen to people who share certain identity aspects with you. For example, im a woman and would generally prefer seeing a woman doctor. It would just make me more comfortable. For example, there is a lack of black and latino people who are doctors, but when they go into communities with majority black/latino people they are able to break barriers that people not in those racial groups have a much harder time doing, and this has been backed by so much research. That's why you cant really erase/ignore race, because it still shows up in so many aspects of all of our lives.
Schools don’t matter that much. You have students graduating from Harvard and they start working and they have no idea what to do. Experience matters more than which school you attended.
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 get an internship and never give up until you get one. I graduated with zero experience, I applied probably at 10-15 different firms until I finally got an internship. Many Universities offer events where companies go to their school and are looking for fresh graduates.
Don't agree. Depends on what industry you want to work in. There's a reason why McKinsey and many other firms only hire grads from top business schools like Harvard, Stanford and Wharton.
As an Asian American in college who didn't even bother to apply to an ivy league bc of money, I am genuinely confused about what I just watched. Ima have to google what affirmative action means
The problem with Asian students is they have cookie-cutter personalities and application. Perfect GPA, SAT score, piano lessons, karate lessons, etc. There's no need to have a million of them in our colleges.
I have an anecdotal case where two friends, one black female and one asian male both applied for a state college in our state. The black female 3.7 gpa, varsity letter all four years for multiple sports + plus other extra curriculars. The Asian male 3.1 gpa, played one sport for one year, + extra curriculars. Both were middle class, similar test scores, and both took rigorous courses. In the end the guy was accepted but she wasn't.
You're lying because you're mad that generally, Asian households value academic achievement and are more successful, whereas black households, not so much.
There are very clear advantages for white and wealthy students, so affirmative action helps to level the playing field for students of color. There has to be a middle ground here that isn’t simply abolishing a program that helps minorities to support other minorities. We are being pitted against each other when neither of our communities is the problem.
We never asked to be admitted because of our race, we just asked not be rejected because of it.
Look at my post... 1st. Everyone who applies to these schools are qualified for the most part ( especially the minorities). 2. I said years ago what I said NOW.. ITs white students ( legacies) taking these slots and ASIANS KNOW IT but they dont ever go after them but after other minorities.. that is why I never respected their fight.. you are going for the easy target and not the real culprit.. its weak, pathetic, and not worthy of my respect. if Asians outscore everyone then why are these universities still predominately white? Lets be honest with ourselves! Also, Asians helped get rid of affirmative action thinking blacks and browns would fight it and we didnt. We didnt even care because its done very little for us and helped and guess what.. After Affirmative Action Asian enrollement has still not increased.. what does that tell you? But white enrollment has.. ROFL..
But Asians have the highest non-white admission rate in the USA. It sounds like you all were doing well with college admission. So why target Affirmative Action when the real issue was legacy policies in these schools which benefit mostly white student. To me, you all played the fool as you did not understand or appreciate the racist history of colleges in this country which was for centuries to block admission for anyone who was not white. The only thing that helped reduced that racist practice was the civil rights movement which AA was derived from.
this!
@@aspensky5 They hid my reply.. like I said it was white legacy students always taking these slots and not other minorities but Asians go for the low hanging fruit and dont address the real issue
How did you know if you were rejected because of your race and not your performance though? And no, I'm not talking about during the time of segregation.
BTW, Affirmative Action hurts Black students the most. Because now no one values your degree, we just don't talk about it openly.
I think universities should start blind applications. It keeps it fair and while they are at it, they should also ban legacy advantages
I should also clarify only economic background should be taken into account. An A+ from a rich student with 10 tutors and million easily funded extra curricular activities is not the same as an A+ from a poorer student at an underfunded school or working a full time job with no extra help
@@qamzy90 I agree 10000000000000%.
I agree. I think no college shouldn’t even ask for race.
Nope, more white kids with merit
Currently what indications do colleges know the applicants race from? Do they ask the race in the application? And maybe from the last name and through interview? I genuinely don't know because i don't live in the US.
The fact that this young man went to such great lengths just to get his answer shows what he's made of. I hope he knows that he was going to succeed no matter where he went for college
I have told so many people white people can definitely be discriminated, easiest example - The Jewish People were discriminately because Hitler said they occupied most of financial area. The Nazi said the Jews stole all of the money, that's basically affirmative action in Jewish form
He will. It's just that not black students don't always get the same level of support from their institutions that's why affirmative action exists. Asians already make up a high percentage of the overall enrollment at ivy league schools anyway. This kid could make it just as easily if he went to a state university.
He looks like Russell kid from "Up"
@@Edt5814 I think you misunderstood them. They said non black students don’t get the same level of support from institutions that black students get.
@@incubus_the_man Are you saying it’s ok to discriminate against him because the colleges already have too many of his kind?
Coming from an Indian American who attended a Public Ivy, I'm more upset about the impact that legacy admissions has at these universities. This practice needs to end as it continues to have the largest impact on the applicant pool at "elite" universities.
@@annajohnson308 Public colleges and universities in the US that have comparable education quality to the Ivy League. There's around thirty of them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
You're saying that so as not to get shouted and yelled at, and experience even more affirmative action.
What if I tell you the small % of legacy admissions are actually their real purpose, the others are just there to be salad dressings.
Then your colleges would have to double their fees because they would lose a lot of donations.
@@user-l4y7r04wy6iv What are you talking about?
People at the top are very good at pitting groups of the middle class against each other.
Yet, many people choose to be blissfully ignorant. They make black America the center of their problems when it has always been the system implemented by white supremacy... everything I grew up hearing from many black activists is coming into fruition, but people got so much disdain for black America the lack accountability
America needs to make education equal in all public schools then. Money needs to be put in lower income community schools.
The American k 12 education system has already wasted a lot of money. Spending a lot of money does not equal to good results. In the past, they have spent the extra money on inner cities. It's just all wasted. Someone has to figure out how to spend money wisely.
Public School Funding Per Student Averages 80% More Than Private Schools: According to the New York Times, one of the main reasons why public K-12 schools are reopening more slowly from Covid-19 lockdowns than private schools is because public schools generally have less money. Times reporter Claire Cain Miller makes this claim three times in a single article, but her assertion IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF REALITY and has been so FOR DECADES.
Twenty-five years ago, the U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimated that public K-12 schools spent an average of 43-52% more per student than private schools in the 1991-92 school year. Since then, DOE data shows that inflation-adjusted average spending per public school student has risen by 40%.
Consistent with that DOE data, new research by Just Facts reveals that average public K-12 school funding per student is about 80% higher than private schools. Specifically, the latest DOE data shows that governments spent an average of $14,439 for every student enrolled in K-12 public schools in the 2016-17 school year. In comparison, Just Facts estimates that private schools spent an average of $8,039 per student in the same year.
The figure for private school spending was determined by Just Facts with data from the DOE and U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. All methodological details are provided in the footnotes located here, and all data and calculations are shown in this spreadsheet.
Furthermore, DOE’s figure for public school spending per student doesn’t include the costs of state government administration, unfunded pension liabilities, and public worker post-employment benefits (like health insurance). In contrast, Just Facts’ figure for private schools is comprehensive and includes all spending by private consumers, nonprofit organizations, and governments. This means that the full public school funding advantage is greater than 80%.
( www.justfactsdaily.com/public-school-funding-per-student-averages-80-more-than-private-schools )
The supreme court only banned the "race-based" affirmative action - Which is 100% the right decision. Race based affirmative action was so dumb when you think about it.
Colin Powell's children and grandchildren getting further advantages over White student from a trailer park or Asian student from a family running a takeaway shop?
Really? How was that EVER fair?
This is the issue with the race based quotas - The quotas should be based on the "Socio economic" background if you really want to help those born into disadvantaged background.
For-profit colleges are probably responsible for gatekeeping and gentrifying society
not everyone knows how supposedly 'important' the SAT scores are
Grew up in an Asian American neighborhood and saw this happen. There was this boy who was like, honestly one of the kindest people, super smart, great GPA, great with people, and constantly involved in school leadership. He even went on to do humanitarian things in 3rd world countries after graduation, and I always thought he had great leadership skills for someone at such a young age. I was really surprised to hear he got rejected from his top schools. However, another Asian American friend of mine who was on the lower percentile of grades in the IB program got into all those schools. She told me she felt bad because almost all the other IB kids got rejected from those schools, but she felt like it was because in her statement, she wrote about her overcoming cancer. The standards seem incredibly high using this system. That boy really should’ve also got in.
And they always talk about how high performing Asian American students are, but they don’t talk about the other half of that statistic: that Asian Americans have the highest gap in wealth in the country. I think there’s something to that that’s correlated with what’s talked about in the video.
Also, not to dox the original intent of this process of trying to prevent discrimination and acknowledge the discrepancy of privileges one race gets over another, but perhaps creating more resources to boost support and quality education for communities that have less access to it can help balance it out for other races that this policy was supposed to help. It’s a balancing act, and totally will take some time. I’m happy to see us learn from and want to move forward with better policies for everyone! Healthy discussion is a great step forward and so encouraging.
The one thing is that certain communities value certain things other than other communities and while divisive and uncomfortable to think about, it is quite true.
There's a at least a story like this in every community. I just find the argument lazy. I got rejected...I think a "Black" kid took my spot because of affirmative action. Which kid? Errm let me find the low ranking "Black" kid to blame. I bet you could also find low ranking Asian students in the school but hey...blame the "Black" kid.
So in conclusion, be like you are miserable and ask for things. Be it a an acceptance letter, a scholarship, a job.
America's loss. Hope he still ended up at a top company
I think you should check your data on the wealth gap by race.
They should perform one of those classical experiments where they submit different university applications with identical SAT scores, GPAs, Statements of Purpose, letters of recommendation, extra curricular activities, etc. The only differences would be the applicants' name, ticked off box and zip code.
The thing is sometimes they were selected for the interview but rejected after. Like it was mentioned, personality during the interview matter so the interview could argue whatever because it is subjective.
University of British Columbia did an experiment years ago on job applications: exact same resume but white vs Asian names. Well, let’s just say the result was what we expected.
There's no need for such experiments when tthese universities are literally arguing in court for the ability to be racist.
There are already studies that show discrimination exists.
@@lylelaney8270 exactly. Very good point but ofcourse the anti-affirmative action camp could care less.
I had a friend who was Asian American and didn't get into Michigan even though he had the grades and the SAT scores. Another person in their grade had subpar grades, and SAT scores but got in due to the legacy enrollment procedures. Really sad, I don't even think he went to college based on that decision a few years ago.
I definitely think that legacy admissions policies and practices are way more detrimental to the higher ed system than affirmative action. If the first didn't exist, the need for the other could lessen substantially (my opinion, not based on research).
Tons of great in-state, public schools. No excuses.
@stevenvillarreal8970 *That's why UCLA Prof Michael Chang says:*
"There's an irony when it comes to Asian-American students: *Elimination of race-conscious admissions*
*isn't necessarily[ going to increase their chances of gaining admission, and could ultimately hurt them."*
("How Asian Americans Became The Center Of The Affirmative Action Debate").
College admissions is not solely based on test scores and grades.
Why do Asian America just assume college admission is about a test score and grades. How good were their essays and recommendations, did they have leadership and extracurriculars, it’s so much more and they seem to not be able to grasp this
This is what happens when you create a unequal system for admission, give one more points and less to another.
The consequences are that, everyone feel discriminated.
You are lying. It's either intentionally being done or ignorantly.
Will there ever be an "eqaul" system or has there ever been one? I'm sure the same documentary made for almost any other race.
the system of admission takes a wholesome approach. its just funny that by trying ti be fair you have a few people that are buthurt and then instead of trying to see orher avenues decide to blame black people. smh
@@earlwallace2015 it's deliberate and intentional
Left-leaning people are often the most racist. Who needs the KKK when young leftietards want segregation and believe in racist notions?
"they're too clever for their own good"
I've heard this said so many times about Asians.
If we're going to go for affirmative action, let's have more Asians in media, film, journalism, sport. Let's force the NBA and NHL and NFL to have more Asians as part of quotas.
What does that “too clever for their own good” statement even mean? That Asians are too snarky?
If you don’t like affirmative action, you shouldn’t have come here. You’d be shown preference in your own country just like Black American slave descendant people and White American women are with affirmative action.
It's just another illogical argument anti Asians i.e. racists use.
@@brycegum_221 Yup he is. Pretty much like all BLMs pretty much triggered over the law enforcement punishing criminals 🤣
@@brycegum_221 Shouldn't they be upset about unfair treatment?
A year later, this debate has aged like milk.
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😅😅😂 Exactly
Why do you say that?
Because Asians are realizing that less and less are getting accepted in college, after the defeat of Affirmative Action. They can't blame anyone now. @@Joenzinator
@@Joenzinator became they ended affirmative action and still saying they cant get in college because of race
As an adult in the working world, let me tell all the students out there, 99% of employers don’t care where you got your degree. They care if you can do your job well. And college doesn’t really prepare you for a job. 75% of my job I learned on the job.
Interesting point ! I'm still in high school and I'll like to ask you how to get an interview with employers because I thought if you graduate from elite uni, it would be easier to get a job interview.
@@James_C_Park the best way to get interviews is through relevant internships/ apprenticeships and networking. My first job out of grad school, I had applied to but didn’t hear anything back. Then when my academic advisor realized that she had gone to college with someone on the board and reached out to them on my behalf, I was able to get an interview and land the job. But I kept the job because I was hardworking and teachable.
I have to agree with you. When I first went out looking for an SDE job with my perfect GPA in a top CS school, I am not even half as competitive as somebody who has prior work experience. After merely 2 years, things take a 180 degrees turn and tons of companies/startups start to reach out to me voluntarily.
I agree, people are paying hundred of thousands just for the name of the Ivy League school in their résumé
as a 10+ years HR executives, I can tell you this is so not true. Ivy degree matters tremendously, and you won't even get any interviews from prestigious firms otherwise
I think we need to level the playing field from K-12. If every public school in the nation had the same funding and quality of education, then there wouldn’t be the need to artificially balance things out during college admissions.
Students have put in so much work to get into the top universities and it’s unfair to deny them of something they’ve already earned.
Finally! Hearing something that sounds more like a solution.
So if people have the capacity to excel we shouldn’t allow them to have a better education? So we end up collectively dumber? Sounds like a horrible idea if we want to nurture the gifted population and remain innovative.
Well as long as this country continues to make the quality of your education contingent on your zip code and who is paying more property taxes, kids who are attending those low funded schools are f$$$$. And because this is America, that's very unlikely to happen anytime soon.
@@CaseyBurnsInvesting they said of every public school had the same funding and quality of education, nothing in that suggest that opportunities will be taken away from bright students. Quite the contrary because it will allow more students who have potential to be reached.
But the thing is, kids don't live in school, do they? They live with their parents, at home, and all kids have different socioeconomic backgrounds. Even if all public schools have the same quality, it does not ensure every kid will absorb the education at the same rate. Asians have a culture that very highly appreciates high education, that's why there's a lot of that doctor and engineer stereotype. In African American male culture, however, there's this notion that going to school is 'selling out', and being school smart has a negative connotation.
The other sad part about these cases is that it inadvertently pitches Asians against blacks, minority against minority.
@@Mic22795 you obviously didn’t understand my comment
It's not inadvertent
@@salj.5459 How could anyone possibly think it's inadvertent?
But white women benfit the most...
And they were dumb enough the take the bait, because they want to be white-adjacent so badly.
I love the excuse of affirmative action as if there aren’t other students who were accepted from family donors. How about cracking down on that
Both affirmative action and legacy admission are awful since they deny meritocratic factors of admission and instead take factors such as race, family legacy, etc. I really hope that SCOTUS will overturn affirmative action
because they dont actually care about that, they care about the few black or hispanics or think lesser of who get in.
How about cracking down on both?
Had the schools be financially constricted, admission by donation might be good for everyone. In that while the one who donated got in, the money thereof also enabled two other people from getting in (that is to say the total donation added three slots which the donor only takes one)
But given how much endowment a lot of the universities have.... I'm rather uncertain about the actual effects. This might be a thing for some developing countries and not the US.
And ofc, even if financial constrict is a matter of consideration, this would only apply to donations that are public and honest. Private donations (bribes) does not benefit anyone other than the involved parties.
You know White people primarily benefit from that, (35% of all Ivy League students are legacy, and that’s the easiest way of being accepted, lol) so they’re not going to come for it like something that would benefit Black people, Hispanic people, and women.
Black students make about 7% of the total population in these Ivy League schools. Most of them major in non stem courses. The probability of these Asians getting denied is still high. There won't be a significant change in the acceptance rate. In fact, it'll be a big win for the smart black kids who'll take pride in their accomplishments without being labeled as beneficiaries of the system.
they are literally beneficiaries of this racist policy. The removal of SAT scores, or lower threshold to qualify by race, is textbook definition of racism.
DEI was supposed to ensure that black people weren't getting rejected because of their race, now they are getting accepted because of their race.
@@buttofthejoke "getting accepted because of their race.' Whoa WHoa mait. You have to prove that another student was addimited who was black, replacing this student. Don't accuse random students of being accepted based on "race", without definite proof
*mate*
Admission should have been done on merit point.
a black students get 50% mark, get chance to admit in a university.on the other hand a asian students do not get admission into university inspite getting sufficent number.
This is pure discrimination based on races clearly.
DEI is introduced to implement diversity during Different era.
Now this is misused by Black community. Which is extremely benefited the rich Black Community rather than marginalised Community.
@@buttofthejoke
@@buttofthejoke why havent acceptance rates for Asians gone up? there are statistics that says the rates of blacks and latinos have gone down. for sure more asians are getting accepted right?
Someone once said to me, “You should apply to Yale, you are exactly the type of person they are looking for.” I just realized how sad it was that my response was, “I would if I wasn’t Asian.” As we can all expect, I didn’t even try to apply to any Ivy league schools, I just accepted I would be discriminated against. I never felt anger towards it, but it is unfortunate.
Why didn’t you feel angry? That’s why the discrimination continues - it’s accepted.
What boggles my mind is that Asians continue to vote Democrats after all what left have done to you guys. From college admission to hiding the facts of violent crime against you.
America is inherently racists against Asians period
@@markusrose9667 Thats the difference between Asian Americans and other races in America. Other races quick to fight back while majority Asian Americans feel like our voice barely matter or it never did. To many discrimination acrossed the U.S have proven this. On top of that our parent be like know your place because its not our homeland (even tho i / we was born here lol) to interfere with Americans politics or everyday lifestyle.
@@sohkathatch4081 well… maybe it’s not your parents homeland but it is your country. Asian-Americans make great Americans. I like to see Asian align more with whites, actually. They have some common interests like a more meritocratic education system and less crime.
I'm honestly happy that there are people who care about getting into certain college and hold them to certain standards. I never cared about college in high school. I only went because my parents wanted it. I made it through college and even graduate school with good GPAs. I got a job outside of my degrees and I'm happy with it. I really just went to college to make my parents proud.
Trust me, rich white kids are still getting into Harvard with weaker grades than black students. college admissions will NEVER JUST be about grades.
"When we only consider Socioeconomic Status without considering race, what we see is a drop in the enrollment of underrepresented student populations, especially African American students."
If it's not the socioeconomic disadvantage causing the disadvantage in admissions, then access to prestigious universities, and subsequently better economic opportunities, will never address the issue at hand. We need to understand the root cause of this issue to create a true solution.
Then one could assuredly conclude that a 'true solution' was never the intent to begin with.
Could there be a deeper drama here? Hmm, I wonder...
Because AA does not even benefit these groups. Holistic admissions looks at test scores and other factors like the school they went to. American education isn’t the same all around. Many black people that attend these universities had to fight hard to overtime their disadvantages. Also a study from Georgetown law showed that Asians do not benefit from removing affirmative action because they benefit from it. They would have marginal gains due to them just simply accepting more high test score applicants
Black people don't value education like asian people do. They like basketball and being in street gangs and crime
They played themselves. They led the charge in building their own trap. 😂
A very small percentage of students are selected through affirmative action. Not everyone can attend the same top Ivy. You’re life isn’t over because Harvard isn’t on your resume.
when you’re super materialistic, and your only focus is money and prestige then yeah your life is over if you don’t get into Harvard
@@mmb8210 I for sure give zero f's about prestiege since this is how they milk ur money. I'm a roboticist but college is broken and it makes desperate and passionate people pay innexcusable prices because of that mindset of really wanting to do good in this world. Instead I'll be an electrician where you actually get paid aas a student and I still get to do a form of engineering and I can still do robotics aside. I aint lettin greedy college board steal my money lol
There are so many successful people who do not attend Ivy Leagues- there is too much hype surrounded by it!!
If you had to choose a college on my resume, wouldn't you want the most recognized one like... such as Harvard? but imagine being in a certain ethnic group is a penalty. Uh oh? sounds like racism!
@@mmb8210 Asian family always take pride in their children education so it's still a thing for them to get into top school
Unless there is some way to make admissions blind there will always be problems. Human beings will always show preference to their own group first. That is why Affirmative Action was created in the first place. Legacy admissions should be done away with. In fact, the entire "Ivy League" lots of money for college and heavy college debt has become a huge trap for many. I think many of my ivy league student interns in the medical field realized such when I was the one teaching and training them despite the fact that I went to state and city colleges. If you live in any U.S. city you will be serviced by doctors, lawyers and other professionals, many of whom were not even trained in this country. I hope people wake up to this money grab scam.
As a friend of mine, who was devastated to find out he wasn't accepted to Harvard, told me, "Even an unfinished Ivy League diploma is like a huge wind behind your sail." Yes, it's not cheap, but its network along with the prestige is what makes it worth the expense. A fancy degree from a top school gives you the presumption of being highly qualified, even if you're in fact you're well below average. It will also swing doors open that are normally closed to the vast majority, such as landing you the job simply because having you on board makes the employer look good.
All that said, the real problem is America's disdain for education, its misanthropy along its false meritocracy. The country is going through a shrekification where like the movie Shrek, it's mythologies and egalitarian narratives are crumbling fast, revealing a hideous unequal, violent, and woefully ignorant society. To the rest of the world, America is now a charade, a pied piper of tall fairy tales.
"Humans will always show preference for their own group first"
Then why would Asian people be so successful? They have little power in the selection process.
That's not true. Most, possibly even all, international doctors need to redo their medical residency in America. For lawyers, NY and CA tend to be the most lenient but other states have much stricter requirements for foreign lawyers to sit for the bar exam
Reservation for a group of people is discrimination against another group of people
Affirmative action and the welfare state IS REPARATION, those are not to 'prevent human affecting their preference to their own group'. Those were created to implement policy based on victimhood class, and in this case based on race, regardless of how much they actually been a victim or even are they actually a victim or not.
This is a very tough situation to solve. On one hand, we shouldn’t punish kids based on their ethnicity. You don’t get to choose your ethnicity. On the other hand, we know that there are many less fortunate kids who would be rockstars if they had given the same opportunity as the wealthier kids.
Maybe instead of affirmative action based on race, we can make it based on social economic status? But I’m sure there will be people unhappy about that as well
Well said. Moreover, there needs to be more resources given to people of lower socioeconomic statuses so that they have a chance before college admissions, before high school, etc. Better schools, more extracurricular activities offered in those schools and in the neighborhood which make children both well rounded for the sake of a balanced life and for the sake of college admissions in the future. That being said though, there's always going to be someone who has more and someone who has less - winners and losers - haves and have nots. So while we want to give everyone an equal shot, the fact of the matter is that it's impossible to give everyone a chance. So what happens then? I guess it becomes a matter of how can we give as many people as possible a fair shot? Moreover, how should fair be defined? Equal opportunity? Equal outcomes?
It's tricky because no matter what approach we take, someone is bound to get the short end of the stick. With affirmative action, it's the asian americans. With standard systems that reward meritocracy, it's the latinos and african americans. Who gets hurt the least? What is best for society in the short term and long term? How do we measure that?
Another thing to consider with opportunities given to underrepresented groups is the performance of those students once they GET IN to those schools. Some might not be able to keep up with the work load, making it pointless to have them attend a rigorous academic program. Moreover, they might not fit in socially either. So while they want to diversify campuses, it might be a disservice to anyone who isn't represented enough, especially in the beginning when it's still new.
I feel the same way. I'm Asian but my family is seriously not wealthy. I couldn't do after-school hours activities because I didn't have a ride home due to my parents working. I have a special-needs brother and I was basically his supervisor during all of my school years. I did not have health insurance throughout my childhood.
But I did have a relatively good childhood - I didn't suffer a lot (like I had food every day), I had great friends, didn't have cancer/illness, etc. If I studied super well and got 4.0 gpa, maybe I could have the chance to apply to any ivy leagues but... I feel like I would likely be rejected anyways since I didn't have much of a "personality" (was just an easy-going person when I was in high school) or "personal hardship" to talk about (maybe the closest thing would be seeing my parents work a lot - but I feel like these colleges would have heard that a billion times already).
Asians get mad at that too because most of them aren’t poor
@@AndreiFantasticwell that doesn’t matter. Wealth isn’t a protected class like race/ethnicity. Universities can continue to discriminate based on wealth for the sakes of fairness and I’m 100% for it
@@AndreiFantastic Most Asians and most Asian countries were dirt poor just a few decades ago. They overcame poverty and achieved economic development through hard work and determination.
Now that AA is gone it appears the only group now affected is the one that brought the action in the first place. Do you know what has risen... Yes, the Legacy admissions. Yale, have just published their data. Asian Americans admissions have dropped from 30% to 25%, African American admissions remain steady at 14% and Latino admission saw a small rise to 19 %.
The REAL reason why AA came into existence is because minorities with top grades and SAT scores were not getting into Ivy league colleges because they were being overlooked in favour of their YT counterparts with much lower grade scores. Somehow, they twisted it the other way around and spread miss-information
Exactly, bit the hand that fed them. They should have fought against legacy admissions.
What about white students. Was there any change. Can you share a link.
serves them right
It is estimated that anywhere from 25 to 35% of admitted students at Ivy League schools come from a family with a legacy status. That's a major thing for educational institutions that accept fewer than 10 percent of the students who apply.(THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE)
As an expert college counselor, I have lots of questions here. There is no mention of the actual level of reflection, writing style, cohesiveness, etc of his overall application. It is very entitled to automatically assume you must have been rejected for your race, when in fact, I see a lot of students with top scores who do not know how to write about their experiences in an elegant way, do not have the typical personality that that school is looking for, etc. He says he got into 2 Ivys, but that was not enough? Most people get into none. Just because you are a smart student does not make you what these schools are looking for. It is the whole package, the ESSAYS, the interview, etc. Scores and grades are just to get you into the room, but there are so many other details here that were not mentioned. I would actually love to see his essays and see if they meet the standards of my students who have gotten into these schools, Asian or not. Also, I am a Harvard graduate, and personally, the best part of school was that there were people from all backgrounds. It didn't feel like there was one race dominant over another. Eliminating affirmative action would have changed that entire experience and REDUCED the intentional diversity.
If you’re an “expert college counselor” then you should know what the central part of the complaint in this lawsuit is and yet you don’t. So let me educate you so you can continue to pretend to be an expert.
Harvard uses a nebulous “personal rating” score to triage the initial 60,000 applications. This score is given before the alumni interviews, before anyone has met the applicant. Yet Asian American students get overwhelmingly lower scores compared to whites, Hispanics, and Blacks. As Justice Alito just said in the supreme court hearings, either 1. Asians are in fact less personable or 2. There’s something wrong in the process of how that score is given., I.e. racially discriminatory. Given how competitive it is, that one low score is enough to have that applicant removed from any further consideration for admission. This tool removes a large number of Asian applicants from the pool right away. This is racism. It’s unconstitutional as the Court will prove.
"That was not enough?"
Not everyone goes for prestige. There could be various reasons that it makes it his dream college. Maybe the campus, maybe the alumni or on-campus connections, or maybe the food.
Thank you for stating what needed to be said. It’s perplexing that the experts on college admissions, have never worked in college admissions! Thank you for shedding light on how this process works.
Your rejection from an ivy league school first comes down to statistics. MOST STUDENTS GET REJECTED. The 4%-10% that are admitted go through a holistic review. To assume that your race is what got you rejected from the most selective schools in the world is arrogant and not based on any evidence at all. Colleges are not entitled to share with students how they selected their incoming class.
Asian Americans are the largest represented race at all ivys/selective schools as well. What about that indicates discrimination???
Your points are easily the most logical themes to point to for this "Asian bias."
Wouldn’t it be some ish if all of this was propagandized and lauded only for the same amount of Asian applicants to get in or less. Since they really believe getting rid of it instead of being included is the problem of course…
I don’t get the immediate jump to “I didn’t get in so it’s about my being Asian”. Or “an unqualified black person took my place”. Sometimes you don’t get in because they didn’t want you.
The inherent prejudice in assuming that just because they are black they were unqualified. Harvard is not letting in bums of the street. Black students admitted still have to have a strong GPA, high test scores, strong essays and recommendations.
You dont need to get a degree from the top school to be successful in the real world. if you are good , you will success in the real world no matter what.
So true. Being Asian American myself knowing people that went to the top schools and no name schools, it really doesn't matter. What matters really is job experience. Having two young kids myself, I could care less about if they go to top schools after seeing how successful my friends careers are with degrees from no name colleges.
He's being dishonest. He wants to be able to say he got into fill in the blank school. It's about bragging rights. To not get in is a kick in the ego.
Well he got accepted into an Ivy league school but is angry because he didn’t get the name brand school that is worshipped by those around him (HARVARD, YALE)
@@sssssssss111 For real, some people don't recognize how good they have it and love playing the victim. He got into 2 ivy league schools anyways. Affirmative action clearly isn't hurting them as much as he's making it out to be. It's like a rich person complaining about being taxed fairly but still being plenty rich afterwards and all the while.
Sure, but having one helps immensely.
I’m in my 50’s, and discrimination against Asian Americans in UC schools was around over 30 years ago.
That said, the best thing you can do for your kid is to encourage their entrepreneurship and (somehow) get them into the family business. All a college degree is is the the first step in working for someone else so they can make money.
We can't all be entreprenuers. Roughly 90% work for someone or a corporation.
Wait! I got something even better, the best thing you can do for your kid is to get them to become a multi millionaire. Done
Every application should simply be assigned a number, and admissions simply based on their marks and extracurricular activities.
And if you dont support blm you wont be admitted.
That would hurt white kids. Ain't happening.
And essays and volunteer work, ideals that match the school etc
I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!
I wish they would do a video about why people are so obsessed with attending an ivy league school. Like i went to a community college and then a public school, till this day no employer has looked at my resume and said "you went to a community college, you aren't the right material". Like i get the prestige but it's what you make of your degree.
Also, as long as public schools in this country continue to be funded the way they are, separating race from the equation is going to be very difficult, even impossible. Race is very correlated with social economic status in this country. In NYC at least, a poverty map and a demographics map showing the race and ethnicity will look so similar at first or second glance you would think they are mapping the same things. This issue should obviously be addressed but i would prefer a system that doesn't zone schools based on property taxes since home ownership is correlated to social economic status which is in then correlated with race. So if you don't understand that and just say it should be based on merits, you will find yourself in a loop.
Well the obsession with an Ivy League university isn’t completely ridiculous. No, employers don’t really care that much about what school you went to, however, going to Ivy League schools open up more chances to make friends and network with people in the fields and industries you’re trying to get into. For example, at my school, George Mason University, most of our engineering and CS grads end up working at government contractors whereas at Stanford, CMU, and Harvard, the opportunities to connect with engineers from Google, Microsoft, etc are much more prevalent because a lot more of their alumnus work in those companies and some of those companies were even started by the alumnus of those schools. Now I’m sure engineering grads at GMU aren’t really complaining because government contractors do pay engineers pretty well compared to other professions, but it’s nowhere near the salaries that are offered by Silicon Valley tech companies and Wall Street high frequency trading firms. And tbh you can seriously make an argument that network effects are much more important to securing a job than your education.
@@minhquando100 I agree that the clout from attending these schools is great but you can land a job in tech with no degree. And while the people who obtained any CS degree benefit from having professors and placement centers who can connect you with someone in a faang company, attending an Ivy league school school shouldn't be pushed as the only or best way to get those jobs or make those connections. And specifically when the students are 17 or 18 and see an ivy league education as superior to other forms of schooling. I remember when I was in community college feeling embarrassed and like i failed even though I decided to go there for financial reasons and had gotten into multiple private universities. Today i can look back and recognize that that single decision saved my financial life and introduced me to a large network of people.
If you want crimes rates to drop and overall improvement of America, yes, social aspects of race factor in. Asians are smart and strategic and business orientated. Other than STEM why else enter college?
You went to a community college and public school, and I can tell you have more sense than a lot of people who went to those big name schools. I don't know you Cara Marie, but I like you!
Sorry to let you know, no employer has done that to you because the position you are applying to has no influence on such a questions as where you went to school. Try one day applying for a C-suite spot where one of the owner of the company came from an Ivy, let me know if your resume even gets pass HR regardless of your career accomplishment please.
a fair system is one that only consider merit and the factors that can influence the achievement of merit (e.g. social economic historical background). Race should not be a factor
And they should be fighting to equalize that at a high school level, in which the entry doesn't factor in later life applications ( no one puts down what highschool they went to as a positive factor when trying to get a job)
You are lying. It's either intentionally being done or ignorantly.
. Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing.
A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring
Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet.
Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged
@@stevebren88: race isn't a factor in high school so I don't see what you are talking about unless you are demanding equity as opposed to equality.
@@chengliu872 literally the opposite of what I was saying.
How is that working out for yall! Asian admissions went down 🤭
If this was really about fair admissions, they would also go after legacy admission.
@@kju666 you’re not the brightest….. the kids that apply to ivy leagues basically have the same gpa and they literally do admit ppl based off their essays and extracurriculars
There are some people going against that
Why aren't they targeting Legacy programs? That's the real reason they are not getting in.
Cuz Asians know they wouldn't get white support if they went after the legacy/doner program they're only complain about Black Americans but not Mexicans/other POC getting into ivy League. it overturned but by 2027 only thing people will see is a higher percentage of white people entering ivy league and getting accepted then they are going to try to play as the victim claiming they didn't know this will happened cuz everybody keep throwing out California got rid of it Asian students students were up to 40 to 50% but the problem they don't understand is those wasn't ivy leagues. The ivy league's help get connections to Power/ rich people throughout the corporate world we'll keep the power and influence in one major group of people. Somehow Asian think the white people are willing to give up that power to let more of them into the ivy league
Because they DARE not bite White Zaddy's hand!
As an non American I continue to feel annoyed that people chose to immigrate there despite all the racial politics they have there. I mean there's lots of Asian countries with great opportunities. Sorry but I just don't understand why ppl are still so hooked on the American dream
I’m Chinese, I study in Oklahoma. Small college . A lot sad and bad experiences and I can’t say anything about it. Being Asian live in USA is very hard. But im glad im still alive. Life is always hard for me, but this is life. Keep positive and move on. I’m still in Oklahoma having my terrible life which is not bad.
I’m not asking for anything.
I just Wish you guys can find your favorite school ❤❤❤
Best wishes
Don't live in Oklahoma bro
@@divinekpl1 I paid a lot , i need study here for a while,i paid study fee and housing i can not just leave. no matter what i need to stay.
@@HyeonSon Sorry bro. There are good people in Oklahoma. Find them and befriend them.
Yeah people in Oklahoma are too conservative and not nice.
Then move back to CHINA.
US/WESTERN IS RACIST TOWARDS TO ASIAN
SPECIAL BLAK AMERICAN IS MOST BLOODY AGGRESSIVE RACIST HATEFUL TO ASIAN!!
It sad alots CHINESE & ASIAN YOUNGFUL STUDENT GET BRAINWASHED BY US/WESTERN MEDIA & MOVIES.
But after landing in Us/Western they’re facing racist hateful & true facts, different side & real face of West.
Alots of Student & Youngful Adults sale everything & move to US/Cana/Uk because of US/Western brainwashed liars make them believe US/UK have best education & better systems, freedom & liberty
But their country is FLOODY BY HOMELESS, DRUGGIES, THUGS, GUNPOINT ROBBERY, THRIVES & CRIMINAL, EVERYWHERE!!
US/Western Gorvement & Media successful at brainwashed their people & young generation become crazy mental ignorant, blind hateful by racist & DUMB-DOWN!!
Us is fails & falling so fast so bad.
WHY NOT STUDY IN TOP CHINA UNIVERSITY OR TOP KOREA UNIVERSITY??
While I think he means well, there is no way to make this process truly "fair." You would have to literally eliminate private schools, tutors, rich parents and plenty of other things that give some kids advantages over others. If you have a kid with a 4.0 and a 30 ACT with a surgeon father and stay at home mother and a kid with a 3.7 and a 28 ACT who worked a job in high school to support his single mother, volunteered at his church and has great personal skills who would you take? Some people make take the latter and give him a chance. Why is there something wrong with looking at the whole applicant?
Your comment is neither here nor there. The question you pose has NOTHING to do with the issue raised in the video. There is no way to make the process fair, I agree, but there are ways to make the process fairER and NOT RACIST. You're talking about life experiences and opportunities, which 100% impact how well a student does and definitely give some a leg-up. That's not related to the issue of race. A more apt scenario to pose would be if you had a kid with a 4.0 and a full mark ACT with great personal skills who was Asian vs. a kid with a 3.7 28 ACT and good personal skills but was non-asian, in which case admissions officers would unfairly admit the non-asian.
The fact that he is so focused on grades and test scores lets me know other parts of his application were likely lacking like his essay, recommendations, leadership and extracurriculars. College admissions is about the whole package not a perfect score assembly line. His inherent prejudice in assuming any black student is automatically not as qualified as an Asian person demonstrates the kind of prejudice that led to the systemic discriminatory policies that policies like affirmative action were intended to correct.
Lol that narrative. Just because he's focused on grades and scores doesn't mean he is subpar in other aspects. That narrative is just as delusional as "certain races have lower IQs".
Great idea! let's solve racism by continuing to be Racist! Problem solved :)
@@mr.gigagod9736 and exactly how is it racist?
@@AC-ih1dr They are openly solving the "problem" of black opression 65 years ago by screwing over asians (another opressed group.) This doesn't solve rascism, its makes it worse. It sends a message to Asian-Americans whispering that "I am different". Race cannot be controlled, no one chooses it, so its foolish to expect something from it. I see no Asian-Americans defending Affirmative action, why do you think this is? And in this very commnet section, There people litterally claiming that Asians are taking over the US and they are all working for the Chinese government. Policies like this are proof that people of color can be rascist.
@@AC-ih1dr Having every asian has -5 personality -5 leadership -5 courage before the interview is not racist! Sure bro.
My daughter's high school has 80% Asian student and the only one got into Colombia this year is a Hispanic student who has below average GPA and no SAT score submitted. He himself was so surprised that he only applied because his Asian best friend applied.
People don’t realize Asian people was still discriminating against during affirmative action. And them taking it away made it way worse for them lmfao.
@@reahsahpagel3354asian people against aa got duped. Too many thought that once AA was removed , a meritocracy would magically appear, just forgetting how racist and classiest the us is.
Lies.
Need to understand getting into Ivy Leagues isn’t that big of a deal and you’re not special for getting rejected. You’re also not that special for being accepted bc they focus on legacy admits
I think personality and overall likability are valid as partial criteria - your demeanor says a lot about who you are and how you’ve been able to process all the societal effects surrounding you. It’s not just about grades and extra curricular activities - admissions require much more than just a ‘checklist’ that your robotically check off because your parents forced it upon you. Colleges want to know that there’s a well rounded individual coming to attend that will contribute to the community and culture as a whole.
This kid in this video is clearly being pushed into this role due to the pressures of having a doctor as a dad.
Indeed! The same is true for job interviews. The statement at 6:17 combined with Michael’s fear about his employer not recognizing what college he went to makes me believe that he’s been taught all of the wrong things about how college preps you for success.
I wrote a paper similar to this for my class assignment, idk if anyone wants to see it, or where I can post it, it's fairly understandable to the mast audience though, when I researched it I found out that not a lot of research have been done on these subjects compared to the African Americans, Hispanic population, even though the health barriers, language access, affirmative actions, are major issues for the Americans of Asian descent.
@@kju666 Well whatever other minorities communities champions, 99.8%, it trickles down and whatever law is passed it is usually broad that it covers all the communities that fall under the 'minority' group. From my research, Asian American (East Asians) are very selective and whatever issue that they protests they always make sure they get a satisfactory outcome for them and them only; rarely do you see any solidarity.
Can i read it. Perhaps create a link to the writing ?or i give u my email here?
@@hillsongbest3818 Yes!! Can you give me your email
post it on medium! pls
I’d like to read your paper. Sounds interesting. Did you post it somewhere?
got rejected from all us unis too. But we have to make the best of what we have, thankfully the uk came in clutch.
Really sad that people are judged by race not by merits.
how did this story never bring up legacy admissions or did I miss it
That's being intentionally left out. America has never had an merit based system and it never will.
What are legacy admissions?
@@justinle998 if someone's parents / grandparents went to this specific college, that means the person applying could get in due to that.
He's not dumb. He knows criticizing a system that benefits blk/poc would be welcome by many.
But, to criticize a system that overwhelmingly benefits yt people would make him a target and leave a stench on him for many years.
there are other stories. This is bad too
I went to high school with Michael Wang, dude’s hella smart, skipped a grade to graduate with my class
And today they won.
Maybe the application process should be anonymous so that the colleges have no idea what race and/or gender the applicant is
Interesting video. There’s definitely no way to make this completely fair. Some applicants have advantages incoming to college and test scores definitely reflect it. Hopefully colleges can develop a way to make acceptance more fair or standardized.
the UNTOLD story here is that a ton of Asian students cheat. and the Universities know this "group cheating" goes on. the same way the Universities know wealthy parents pay off Admins to get them in school.
= THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT COLLEGE ACCEPTANCE 3:41
it getting into his preference IVY league. as "smart as he is" he can shine in ANY university or community college.
👉🏽 👉🏾reputation over merit = is what he is asking for.
when you have to work THAT HARD to get A's maybe you arent high IQ afterall.
I got A's doodling and playing on my phone in class. Stereotypes are dangerous. which Asian country can he go in a "flex" like this. "smart asian students"sterotype DO NOT EXIST IN ASIAN COUNTRIES
The same way "Im white and I said so " dont exist in Europe . right to the back of the line they go.🙂
Reservation for a group of people is discrimination against another group of people
@@jimmoriarty4530 Do you think schools in the USA should give priority to USA students?
There is. Just because one child had a tutor and the other didn't, doesn't entitle the disadvantaged child admission into a higher-ranked school.
@@Zeegoner if thats the case give free tutors to students who don't have such opportunity, not free admission to college at the expense of students who earned it with their hardwork
My Black son was a AP scholar, a national merit scholar, a PSAT scholar, had a GPA of 4.56, state champion in speech and debate, national finalist in speech and debate, while being from a single parent home with a mother who has a chronic disability that impacted his life significantly. He didn’t get into Harvard. Who should he blame!?!? Get over it!!! If anything, direct your actions towards legacy students who are very very underqualified, but still get into these elite universities because of their parent’s wealth. I guess it’s always easier to kick down!
What you said is very true. However the main reason why Harvard lost the case is because statistically speaking, there were significant discrimination against Asian students. Not just one individual case, but in big picture. “In the Harvard admissions process, “race is a determinative tip for” a significant percent of “of all admitted African and Hispanic applicants.” For example, John Roberts, chief justice, mentioned that academically bottom 40 percent of black students had higher chance to get accepted into Harvard than academically top 10% of Asian students.
@@정원우-z5j That still doesn’t answer my question. Who should I blame? The bottom line is he was more than qualified to be admitted into Harvard, but he wasn’t. I’m sure there were many less qualified students who were admitted. Who should I blame?!?
@@teetime3421 i guess you could blame admissions office of Harvard.
@@정원우-z5j The big picture is under qualified students are admitted to Harvard every year, and many are not Black and Brown. It’s common knowledge that this lawsuit was funded by wealthy, white conservatives. Why would Asians allow themselves to be used to take away one of the very limited opportunities that Black and Brown people have? As I said before, my son was not admitted and I know other less qualified people of all races made the cut. Those are the breaks, it’s wrong to single out Black and Brown people and blame them.
@@teetime3421 I'm sure your son is well qualified. It's unfortunate that your son didn't get into Harvard. If I remember correctly, the bottom 40 percentile of black students had 12.8 percent where as 12.7 percent of top 10 Asian students. The number for top 10 percent of black students was over 50. As numbers suggests, not all top 10 percent of any race of people get 100 percent guarantee of getting into Harvard. Your son probably fell into unlucky 40 something percent.
How about not judging people by their race? How about judging people only by their abilities.
Well, progressive leftists are quite angry about that. See Critical Race Theory and white fragility and all that.
@@labadaba5088 They are deeply racist.
Already happened. The top schools were full of Yellow students, then White students, but very few Brown students and 2-3 Black students.
@@iROChakri What’s wrong with that? Why should stupid people go to university anyway?
Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing.
A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring
Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet.
Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged
equal opportunity not equal outcome. Universities want to make sure there is a diversity in graduates. But by doing that they have to discriminate against some races to make room for other races.
To anyone rejected by schools especially the ivy's know that its much easier to transfer in if you really want to attend. Its the legacy's who get in that's taking up a large portion of admission class.
What are the acceptance rates of community college students transferring to Ivies? I doubt they're over 5%
@@mujtabaalam5907 1% or 12 students transfer in each year to harvard. Legacy students account for almost 16% of freshman class and Harvard extension school acceptance is 100%. There are around 250 black students accepted in the freshman class. Those numbers are for Harvard. If you really want ivy league you can go.
Yes you’re right. A friend of mine transferred in and got to Yale.
I'm realizing based on comments and this video that people just don't know what they're talking about. 1. a third of admissions are legacy admissions from these Ivey league schools. which are Kids of the rich and powerful who attended but nobody says anything because that's the whole reason why people want to attend these schools to network, be friends and be in the life of these people. Ivy league schools literally go around telling people that you can have the best grades and still not get in. They have the lowest acceptance rate for a reason.
I heard in a news debate that Asians should get 200 points more than black students. How's that fair and equality?
😂😂 they don't care about other people. This all so called equality and fear ganga
Imagine where we could be as a society if we confronted the baked-into-our-DNA twin sins of race and class. So much talent squandered/stifled.
Talent are not lost if you want to be serious. Asian American can take care of themselves just fine. I agree it is still unfair but I can't help but see the enormous benefit for black people breaking the cycle of poverty at minute expense of Asian student. Asian student major lost is their dignity not their talent. Black and Asian still win one way or another isn't that a good trade off?
@@johnmaris1582 You're making an assumption that "Black" = "poor". And, why need there be a "trade off"? One more thing; what makes you think Black students aren't serious? There's a lot of bias in your response.
@@jc22358 I don't have the statistical link. What I recalled was that most black student even the excellent one are still largely underserved in public education. Not exactly poor, certainly underserved. Trade off is needed because it create better outcome. Black student are serious, they lift themselves to be above average under less ideal conditions.
@@johnmaris1582 What if Bill Gates was denied admission Harvard on the basis of his race. He wouldn’t have started Microsoft and we’d be societally poorer for it. The opportunity cost of systemic adverse selection against high achievers is devasting to the productive potential of the nation and is of course unethical.
@Jim Peterson This has to be one of the dumbest, most nonsense hypothetical replies I’ve seen on the internet in a long time. It shows how completely unserious you are about this topic. You just want to argue. I hope sounding smart wasn’t on your list as well, because epic fail in that department bucko.
Got rejected Upenn grad school this year and then got accepted at Carnegie Mellon
LMAO please let us know how well this works out for the Asian community, I can't wait to laugh and watch the tears flowing in the coming years 🤣😂
@@Habzinsch they will still be struggling and it will probably be worst. Legacy Students winning.
Meanwhile, 21 year old Europeans are backpacking the world for 6 months and more. I have never understood college culture in the US
I applied to a school in the 1980s, back then, their attitude was just, 'we have enough Asians.' First lesson on what being Asian-American is. Brutal, but so. Nobody said 'maybe we shouldn't have quotas' because the African-Americans were benefiting.
Black Americans only benefited the first decade the idea originated. After that it was totally hijacked by white women, "people of color" and black immigrants. All of you are lucky I'm not the lawyer in any of these cases, you would have to show me actual black Americans who benefited. Parasitic think tanks and parasitic nonprofits are who brings these lawsuits.
And you all continue tiptoeing around the fact that certain schools will remain majority white, no matter what. That's why these cases don't amount to anything.
White women benefit the most from AA. If they didn't accept you, it's likely they simply didn't want you.
Whites aren’t going to let their Ivy League and southern schools look like their west coast schools where Asians are over represented 😂😂😂😂😂
Brutal? You clearly weren’t paying attention in history class on the lessons on systemic discriminatory American policies that prevented qualified African Americans from going to certain colleges. Affirmative action was instituted to correct a systemic issue and should never have been expanded to include other “people of color” groups that didn’t have the same disadvantage levied against them. You aren’t automatically qualified because you are Asian and a black person isn’t automatically less qualified because they are black and to think that exposes you level of ignorance and is actually just as racist.
I have literally never been asked what university I went to on a single job interview
I have on every job. They wanted the names of my schools back to 1st grade.
I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!
That explains what kinds of job you're interview for 😂😂😂High level positions vs Entry levels
Because its on your resume? 😂
Actually I have seen applications that wanted people from Ivy League or top school. Not that frequent but I have seen it before.
It doesn’t make sense to solely blame Affirmative Action as the reason for his rejection and not a host of other factors, from donor status, athletics, legacy status, first generation, etc. To single out the Affirmative Action shows that this is not based on making the playing field fairer, but biasing it in favor of privileged people who only care about gaining admission to an Ivy League university.
If Affirmative Action is in whole or part predicated upon racial identity in order to achieve formerly lacking (or banned) diversity, how does that squarely harm Asian student? Are spaces that go to underrepresented groups somehow supposed to go towards Asian students for some specific reason?
If they go after affirmative action, they should go after legacies too
But y’all don’t get it. The reason why they don’t go after legacies is because they want their kids to go to these schools as well. That’s literally what it is. They we taught to fight for this and so are their kids.
Why ASIAN student with SAT of 1590 can't even accepted by an IVY league College and Black and Brown has those given privileges?
Because Ivy Leagues care about more than just SAT scores...
@@TomikaKelly Race shouldn't be a factor. Period. If you want more representation in these schools, be better.
@@TomikaKelly So, what else is more important than Grade? Why Race is part of the selection criteria? 1400 can be selected due to Black and Brown? There is no justice.
@@TomikaKelly If this is in a corporate world, these Companies can't compete and will bankrupt
@@All-gp3tt Black and Latino people barely even 10% of the Ivy League Population.. Asian Americans are the most dominate race group to attend Ivy Leagues.. Them and white people apply the most. I know a lot of smart people which high grades who were Black or Hispanic get rejected also. White women statistically benefited the most from Affirmative Action. Stop trying to drag POCs into this statement.
Yeah this is messed up. they need to get rid of this
Ah, yes. Imagine how self righteous you have to be to tell Asian Americans that you know what is best for them.
I promise 99% of the working world does not care if you went to Harvard or your local community college. It’s so short-sighted to think that one thing will have a drastic outcome on your life.
It's so short-sighted of you to assume that these top 1% students want to join the 99% of the working class. No, they want to go to a top 1% schools so they can become the top 1% of the working class.
You think I would go to Johns Hopkins Medical School to graduate and work at the local clinic in Timbuktu? No, I would like to work at the best hospitals in the World.
A person in your local community college becoming a top 1% wage earner is an anomaly. A person who went to 1% top school earning top 1% wage is normal. It's just that obvious, it's kind of shocking that you can't relate to it.
@@runningwithcat6195 A lot of us who didn’t go to a “top 1%” school are out here making more than Ivy League graduates so…
It’s more about networking
So… Michael got into two different Ivy League schools and got admission into other non-Ivy League schools but he’s upset? What is this really about? Michael seems like an ungrateful person. He wanted bragging rights. Who benefits from abolishing Affirmative Action? You could target students who bribe their way into college, legacy students, etc. Did Michael consider that maybe he’s just not that exceptional?
The fact that we keep having this conversation about Black and Brown people but never see a serious threat to legacy admissions is very telling.
Everyone wants “blind” admissions because it will allow them to remain blind to the obvious truth: nothing in this country has ever been “fair” or “equal” for POC, especially Black people. But, when comes to remedies that attempt to truly balance the scales… those efforts are evil… not the racist history (and laws) that made this country (and its institutions) extremely rich.
Many qualified applicants are not accepted to their top choice of school or workplace. Not everything is guaranteed to you.. it is not “yours” just because you are qualified. Black people know this. The right always decries a sense of entitlement until it impacts people they like or deem worthy. Asian people, please do not allow yourselves to be used as weapons to attack Black and Brown people or to dismantle DEI. The model minority myth is a trap. Your complicity in it hurts other Asian people and people of color.
Boy,did this backfire 😂😂
😂😂😂 yes on black and Latin community. Mit student profile after removal of affirmative action black 15% to 5% and Latin 16% to 11% and Asian community 40% to 47% so it works. Privilege take away from who are getting privileged 😂😂 so I think you will feel sad now 😂😂
@@sirg3137 why are u lying? Yale, Princeton & Duke they all decreased in Asian American admission. While Black remains the same & latine increase. Now In MIT, Amherst and Brown both Black & latine decreased.
Only legacy admission is benefiting from this .
Please read a News.
A lot of people go to the top public university in their state and go to the ivys for post grad and do great. Imo the bachelors degree is the new high school diploma. Go public and then take on debt for post grad at a ivy if necessary.
I love this answer and it may well be the most realistic and practical advice through all of these controversies.
As Asian American, there's nothing more satisfying than becoming rich and wealth through becoming your own CEO than trying to make it into an Ivy College. I personally rather make millions through my business ventures and trying to be the perfect student or perfect employee and still get rejected because you're not good enough.
What if you're not Asian though? What's the most satisfying thing for the other races
@@kptrzk9398Get into Ivies by victimizing and using your history
Hey Michael you have won, heck the entire Asian community have won. Today justice prevailed. Today is a day to remember and celebrate. Today is the day of fairness and true equality. We South Asians are just as happy as East Asians. We all should come together and celebrate because top schools will no longer punish us for our hardwork.
God bless America
Why do you Asians think black kids don't earn everything they get? It's more White privileges kids in those schools with low scores and you're focused on black and brown kids. Who taught you that BS? Michael is going to get a reality check and realize how smart those black and brown kids are. He's going to also realize that that degree is equivalent to division 3 schools and HBCUs.
Michael was taught by his father hate. He never once said White girls are getting accepted with low test scores. All the focus is on black and Hispanics. The problem with you all is you're taught that you're smarter than black people. Michael is going to have a really check once he find out how smart those kids in his class are. Ivy League degree is no different than any other degrees. Once you graduate your boss or people you work with may have attended a Junior College, Morehouse, Spellman, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Northwestern, Boston College, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Tulane, UCLA, U of California ect...
As an African American male this news saddens me.
@@Muskogee I want to let you know that no we don’t think we are smarter than black people. Because I personally have known many African immigrants who are way smarter and get better grades than me or any other Asian kid in our class. Also, we too are not smart we just study extra hard. The problem with American black people is your gang and street culture that don’t value education. That same culture says to black people who are studying hard “Acting white”. That culture is the problem and that culture is what holding you guys back from success. When it comes to AA for white girls it’s changing because colleges have significantly low number of males and they were going to give AA to males because of low enrollment in males. I personally don’t support that either because college admissions should only be based on MERIT only race and gender should play no part in it at all. I hope you can understand.
Equality is the fundamental value of this nation, at least it is what is taught in high school and written in the constitution. Unfortunately, Asian kids grew up knowing it's just a facade.
Selective equality for the benefits of a few.
Hmm funny you said that African Americans been saying the same thing for 100s of years in America. If it wasn’t for MLK for the 1964 civil rights act, Asians still would not been able to get citizenship
You have to realize affirmative action never benefited African-Americans in this country it benefited white women but not African Americans so the fight is actually futile.
😂😂😂 hahaha you are living in dream world then . after removal of affirmative action MIT students profile black students decrease by 15% to 5% . Data talk but you kind of woke people don't check reality . Asian student increase by 7% 40% to 47% and your are talking about it's giving white woman advantage 😂😂😂😂 so much agenda. White student down by just 1% 39% to 38% 😂😂😂 now. what you say Mr woke religion follower?? 😹😹 It's clearing given black students advantage and then Latin students because there also down by 5% from 16% to 11%
Getting rid of race equality in education opens the door for more racism policies in the workplace
I went to Yale and there was certainly a much greater percentage of Asians there than black or Hispanic kids many who were undoubtedly just as if not more qualified. It is racist to assume the only “truly qualified” candidates are Asians especially when their applications are known to be lacking on essays, activities, leadership, and strong recommendations
You should see the people who were rejected who are Asian. They are just as if not more qualified than you and your peers. It is disproportionality so for Asians.
Interesting. BTW, how do you define more qualified? Known to be lacking on essays? Where is that “known to be” from? You?
M Wang had a great father to back him up and assist him in his direction on how to deal with "the problem."🎈
Of course we can't recognize the special privilege that people who have FATHERS in their families that disadvantage so many African Americans who don't know their father and don't live with their father.
Because, you know, single parent families are just as good as two parent families, and if they aren't the children of such families deserve to get special privileges because of this disadvantage.
No one is reject for the race, color, disability and weakness..all are human beings..all have the equal rights..this is universal
Doublespeak
My friend, you won today!
Thank you Michael! Your fight has just helped all Asian Americans. You are a HERO!
Michael Wang in this video said he worried he would be denied a job if an employer didn't recognize the institution he went to for college. There lies the problem.
He comes across as a spoiled brat who cannot live-up to mommy and daddy's standards. He's studying to be a lawyer, he'll sue the bar association when he doesn't pass.
I'm going to go a bit farther, that's what all the Asians in this video are #LowHangingFruit
Asians are very status-driven. They are obsessed with brand names and Ivy league schools.
if black people need to just work harder to improve their condition, why don't white parents tell their kids that and not put them through expensive schools?
AA is as absurd as considering eye color for admissions
Wait? He was accepted to TWO ivy league schools!?! Wow. The ones that rejected him did a GREAT job recognizing he wasn't a good fit. What an ingrate!
Whenever a talented person is held back because of their ethnicity or gender, our society loses out on the talent of that person. For that reason I think that doing away with Affirmative Action was a good step in the right direction. That being said, we could still have something like Affirmative Action that focuses on family wealth instead of race. That would do more for equity than AA ever did.
I think in the future no race question should be asked in the application. Just based on school performance and other academic related factors.
I agree 🙏🏻
having been admitted to an ivy league university, it was a waste of time. go to a school that teaches practical skills. employers are looking for employees who can actually work in real life and not just book smart.
I think people focus too much on where they go to university instead of how they plan to spend their time at the university they end up at. Sure, ivies will open doors for people and make it easier to build successful careers in the future, but it also isn't the only way. I personally went to a decent state school and now I'm making $85k at my first job out of college doing consulting at a large tech company (think one tier below FAANG).
In any case, my point is that we all are dealt cards in life, but what matters is how we play with the hands we're dealt.
people wanna brag they went to top 10
Hi! If you don't mind, could you please tell me about your career journey? Like what you did during your university years, if you had any internships/apprenticeships and so on.
I'm happy for you but ivies can enter consulting and big law which pay 300k/yr+ to new grads. You aren't eligible for those positions based on your school prestige. There's also a lot of state schools that are just junk, take mine for example where people just drink and party while the academics are utter garbage. Recruiters don't touch it during career fairs. I'm highly envious of states that have elite public schools (i.e. UVA, UNC, UMich) because their education is comparable to that of an ivy league.
I’m a US citizen and this video is incredibly smart.
as someone who works in healthcare diversity is super imporant tho. Studies show you are more likely to listen to people who share certain identity aspects with you. For example, im a woman and would generally prefer seeing a woman doctor. It would just make me more comfortable. For example, there is a lack of black and latino people who are doctors, but when they go into communities with majority black/latino people they are able to break barriers that people not in those racial groups have a much harder time doing, and this has been backed by so much research. That's why you cant really erase/ignore race, because it still shows up in so many aspects of all of our lives.
Schools don’t matter that much. You have students graduating from Harvard and they start working and they have no idea what to do. Experience matters more than which school you attended.
how do u start getting that experience tho
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 get an internship and never give up until you get one. I graduated with zero experience, I applied probably at 10-15 different firms until I finally got an internship. Many Universities offer events where companies go to their school and are looking for fresh graduates.
@@designereats3661 an internship that relates to my major. Ok then. Ty
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 good luck!
Don't agree. Depends on what industry you want to work in. There's a reason why McKinsey and many other firms only hire grads from top business schools like Harvard, Stanford and Wharton.
I hope those white applicants are grateful knowing how many more talented Asian-American applicants were rejected so they could get an opportunity.
As an Asian American in college who didn't even bother to apply to an ivy league bc of money, I am genuinely confused about what I just watched. Ima have to google what affirmative action means
The problem with Asian students is they have cookie-cutter personalities and application. Perfect GPA, SAT score, piano lessons, karate lessons, etc. There's no need to have a million of them in our colleges.
I have an anecdotal case where two friends, one black female and one asian male both applied for a state college in our state. The black female 3.7 gpa, varsity letter all four years for multiple sports + plus other extra curriculars. The Asian male 3.1 gpa, played one sport for one year, + extra curriculars. Both were middle class, similar test scores, and both took rigorous courses. In the end the guy was accepted but she wasn't.
that never happened...an asian with a 3.1 gpa? yeah right....
Could be the black female applied for an engineering major and the Asian male applied for a humanities. But yeah, an Asian with a 3.1 GPA: uh huh😂
I think you're lying.
You're lying because you're mad that generally, Asian households value academic achievement and are more successful, whereas black households, not so much.
This is fking buillshit. I know blacks get more benefits than asians. I would trust it if it were black and white my friend
its also important to develop a personality you have to work on that also
There are very clear advantages for white and wealthy students, so affirmative action helps to level the playing field for students of color.
There has to be a middle ground here that isn’t simply abolishing a program that helps minorities to support other minorities. We are being pitted against each other when neither of our communities is the problem.
But whites are colored because white is a paint color. Thus white people are colored.
It's just benifiing black and Latin people not other minorities
This aged well.