The Ultimate Sound Quality Subwoofer?
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2023
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Really nice job building this box. I truly hope it sounds as good as it looks. After that many router bit changes, you deserve it!👍
I think it sounds every bit as good as it looks.
Nice touch with the recesses that hide the carpet joins etc. looks great!
I always put the back on last. That way I can run a bead of caulk in all of the inside corners in the box. I know wood glue should seal it, but I like to make sure it is sealed well.
That's probably a good idea.
The sound quality out of a 10" 12" woofer can vary a lot. Not all of them have the same pretty sound. Not always easy to choose the right one.
Clean hard hitting subs Kenwood.. I can't stand it when someone's bass sounds the same all the time. Car rattling around goin bur bur bur... lmao
Truly a work of art. Watching you make this box is pretty therapeutic
Congrats on your skill building journey. You have done what many of us have considered but never done after watching some of marks videos! I commend you on your work and the this build looks really good. I hope you keep challenging yourself to get better and share the process with us.
Thanks!
This is your best looking box to date keep up the good work buddy
Thanks, will do!
Nice looking box! Practice makes perfect. got four of there 6.5's to go in my Silverado. I've 14:25 d them without amp. Good sounding
Awesome work the box looks great! Also thanks for the tips 👍Always good content Cheers!
Thank you! Cheers!
Nice show on the finish and detail, those cutting grooves are neat.
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The port support needs some support to support the port.
Awesome job!!! The punch idea is great!! I’ve just use a pencil to trace the holes out for the speaker mounts all these years.
Another commenter told me to try a self-centering and drill bit. I didn't even know that was a thing!
I used to compete in car audio comps with 2x10" subs. Man it sounded good
DIY A/G, your videos have inspired me to get back into building enclosures. Something to note regarding ohm load and % THD at low ohms. For SQ the lower the ohms (1 ohm) you usually get higher THD unless your amp is super nice. Personally, i wouldn't run below 2 ohm, preferably 4 ohm for the cleanest sound. Provided the amp can still produce enough power at the higher ohm loads. I'm more of an SQL so 2 ohms seems like the sweet spot for good power without too much THD. Some people don't notice the increased THD (or care), or their enclosure is in a rattling trunk so they can't here it.
I don't think it's a big deal. And I still run a cheap 1 ohm amp I never intended to use long term because it just works fine.
I think a bigger issue is a lot of kids think more excursion the better. But at xmax you're adding a lot of distortion unless the trunk is filtering it out, or you run a bandpass box to filter out the harmonic distortion.
@@JoshM7 100%
I've been putting a whole lot of thought into the ohms vs distortion thing. I'm beginning to think it might be a myth, something that people just keep repeating but no one has ever verified to make sure it's true.
@@DIYAudioGuy I will be looking forward to you possibly cover it in the future with actual testing to put the myth to rest. Who knows what kind and how $ the test equipment would be though.
@@JOSHUAALLEN28 that's the problem, I don't have access to that kind of equipment.
Looks awesome
Thanks!
Great job on the box! I wish I had the patience for that sort of stuff.
It definitely took a lot of patience.
That finished box looks great!
Thanks!
Another great informative vid and box turned out just as great. Definitely one to be proud of. 😎👍👍
It sounds absolutely amazing. These are great subwoofers.
Box looks amazing
Thanks!
You are improving with every build. This motivates me looking forward to my upcoming projects.
Btw. I find those dayton references cones really elegant looking
They are aluminum.
@@DIYAudioGuyare they unlabeled alumapro?
@@blainerd53549 no idea, but I do know that parts-express does sell a lot of stuff to other brands so no doubt they've been rebadged by someone
@@DIYAudioGuy Yes, I have the 12" version in a sealed box in my living room. Very sleek look. And good performance too
Awesome job,great tutorial!
Thank you!
That's a beautiful enclosure! The tight tolerances between the black vinyl trim ring and the main enclosure look really professional, and the basic design of it just looks very interesting visually. You made some great choices on colors and textures. The Dayton RS subs are just plain lookers too!
***Now the big question, how do you top this one? : )
I don't know that I can!
I've been using a Vex Bit for years when doing pilot holes. Well worth the money.
That's a new one on me, I'll have to look into that.
I see MAXX POWERRRRR!!!! in the background 😂 but this is a niiice neat looking box! 👍🏿
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I love that you test with Techmaster PEB One of the best subwoofer test tracks ever made. Well done, sir. Excellent job on your box. Keep improving your skills. Love, this content. What was the cost on the subs?
I've had these sitting around for a couple of years now so I do not remember what I paid for them. You can hit the link in the description and it'll give you the most current pricing, Parts Express is always running a sale and you can get a discount with the code DIY5
Great video👍
Thanks 👍
Nice job!! I'm not a big carpet fan but it looks really nice, Justin!
I was shooting for something that's mostly carpet, but with a little something extra. It will be fairly cheap and affordable to reproduce this just using different shades of carpet.
@@DIYAudioGuy your videos are ALWAYS very DIY friendly. I feel your exactly what our little community needs. And it's nice to see us old guys still love the bass 😂😂
These subs are great. They run in very little air space and still go deep. Also shallow enough to go under truck seats. I've owned the 12 and 15 inch.
As far as sound quality goes, these are my favorite.
@@DIYAudioGuy im getting ready to buy some ultimax 18s
@@ekess7458 Awesome. I have a discount code with Parts Express. It is in the video description.
Screw my enclosure??? Oh, behave!!! Lol cool video.
I was wondering if anybody would catch that.
Dayton rss subs are always great subs. Ive had a pair in my truck previously 2 rss265ho44 in 3cubes gross at 36hz with cabin gain they would play down to 28hz with ease on 1500w. If anything they sounded almost empty since they had almost no sound signature.
This time im trying the adire koda 10s in a similar box design with a koda 8 running front sub duties for midbass reinforcement
These are the same subs.
great Channel, i have a question, to reduce standing waves, is it a good idea to place the sub higher, more in the middle of the roomhigh not at the floor ?
I have 2 comments. Your box building has gotten much better. 2nd I have always thought if your going for SQ that a sealed box sounds better. That's just my opinion. I'd like to see the subs in a sealed box to see the response. Keep up the great work.
I don't think that sealed is better for sound quality. I've been hearing people say that my entire life, but there are tons of high-end home audio speakers out there that use ported enclosures.
Sound Quality and car audio are two things that don't really belong in the same sentence unless you do major work to the vehicle first. The sound quality difference between sealed and ported is unlikely to be heard in a vehicle without all the work. Also, sound quality is highly subjective anyway, unless your talking about competition level, which means you intend to do all the vehicle work if have any chance of pulling it off. For a general, all around, daily driver system, sealed or ported does perfectly fine. Sealed takes up less space, easier to build, but won't be as loud as ported with the same power, but will still be plenty loud.
fire build
Thanks.
Those look absolutely amazing, couldn’t of done it better. As someone who loves audio and has experience gear in their car, do you know of any detailed video guides or online articles about tuning audio setups?
I've got several videos on how to set up an amplifier, games and crossover settings. But I don't have any on DSP tuning.
Such a nice clean setup. I am curious as to why the use of brads over screws? Great tip on letting the carpet overlap and cutting both layers to have perfectly mated edges. Man, that really is a great box. I have a JL Audio Stealthbox in my truck so that I can retain my back seat for kiddos, but I just build a dual 12" box that I really have no use for, but wanted to build it anyway. 😂 I have a large van that I haul a few motorcycles in, maybe I'll upgrade it from a single 8" to dual 12's. 😂 I only built the box because I have always wanted to try out a pair of Image Dynamics subs and we plan on adding a car to our stable of vehicles. 😂 thanks for the content, I really appreciate and enjoy your work.
Wood glue is strong enough by itself. The brads just hold it in place while the glue dries.
Very nice job on that box. Your box building skills have come a long way. You are pretty much on your way to changing your name to DIY Pro audio guy. Also how is that ryobi brad nailer.
Thanks man I appreciate that!
That nailer works great, I've not had any problems with it. It is a little bit bulky and hard to get into tight spots.
Very nice!
Thanks!
Mahalos for the DIY video, very nice. Im thinking of purchasing a Danton RSSHE 12 for a sql build in a truck, how are the Danton Audio sub line? Not much people in Hawaii run them
I have tried the Ultimax , the reference line (this build),the classic and the MX. I have absolutely loved every one of them.
for sql there is only infinite baffle
in car or at home you can not beat it
have seen 18s that felt as fast as 10s
needs way less space and goes down deeeeeeeeep , cherry on the cake uses very little power
I have two dayton audio 15s HO that I have in my house. This video is making me want to put them in my car just to see how it sounds. Sounds amazing in my house in my surround sound so I'm curious how well it'll sound in my hatchback
I'm completely blown away by these subwoofers, they sound absolutely amazing.
That’s a gorgeous box for someone who refers to themselves as “DIY”😝
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You should test spray foam to glue your ports instead of hot glue. It works wonders, if there is space between the ABS and the wood, it will just fill it and avoid any possible noise.
Brilliant idea.
Installed a bridgeable amp in my truck a few weeks ago and picked up a .65cf prefab sealed box on clearance which is now sitting next to my desk mocking me. Thinking one of those dayton reference subs might be the missing piece I need right now.
They perform very well in small enclosures. Make sure that you have a 4 ohm load on the amp when it is bridged.
Can you make a video about getting lots of bass in a small space? I've been struggling to design a small enough box for 2 10's than can fit in my cars trunk. It seems like the only way is to sacrifice a lot of low end.
Unfortunately you are fighting against physics. Your best bet is to see if you can use a passive radiator.
Really nice work, what crossover frequency do you set your subwoofer amp at?
80
The Dayton HE (High Excursion) subs are even better!
I have not tried them yet!
Good enclosure and done but got no details for what subwoofers to install, what wattage, what impedance, what hertz to make it sounds perfectly as subwoofers, will you? Tnx!.
You can find a link to the subwoofers in the video description, If you watch again you will see that toward the end I measured and showed you both the impedance and the resonate frequency. I have several videos on port design, here is a good place to start: ua-cam.com/video/-yopTneS7g8/v-deo.htmlsi=aGkDN5XpFtTMQzaG
Nice Work, but i am missing the values tuning frequcy (Fb) and roll-off frequency (F3)
I measured the Fb in the video, so you have that. I do not recall the F3.
When you round over the corners, do you have any issues with the brad nails and the router bits?
It's not particularly good for the router bit, but I've never had any issues. Definitely better to hit a brad nail then to hit a wood screw.
That is a NICE clean build. I've lusted after those Dayton RS drivers for years, and your build has only increased that lust, LOL.
A small hint - when joining the carpet at the back of the box, use a curved cut, rather than a straight line (e.g. make the cut in a long arc). It makes the point where they join together a LOT less visible, as there's no straight line for your eye to follow. Of course, the join is at the back of the box where it's not going to be visible anyway, but still ... :-).
BTW, what was the target Fb you were aiming for, and what's the actual measured Fb of the box?
I'll have to give that carpet trick I try sometime!
I was shooting for 34 and ended up at 33.
@@DIYAudioGuy Thanks. I asked because we had a recent discussion on the DIYAudio "Subwoofers" forum about the increasing inaccuracy of vent length calculations as vent length got longer. And I think we came up with a more accurate method to determine the correct length for a target Fb. It involves adding a portion of the volume taken up by the vent to the net volume of the box and redoing the equation. The details can be found from about post #13753 in the "Hornresp" thread.
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I would have attached the front baffle as the last piece if possible. You attached the upper baffle between the other ones(means less glue in the joints?). Attaching on the glue may result stronger joints? Over all i really going to have that design, you made it awesome.
I see what you are saying. Definitely something to think about.
@@DIYAudioGuy In time my english has gone worse cause of few practice.
So getting the right thing to sentence is a bit of challange considering English is not my first language.
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They also look nice too.
I am very happy with the way this turned out!
Hey man, love your videos….I have a small confusion based on your video for gain calculation with multimeter using V= PxR
So my Rockford fosgate amp is rated at 75w RMS x4 @ 4ohms or 150w RMS x 4 @ 2ohms.
Now, my problem is this. I have infinity coaxial at the back rated at 60w rms @ 3 ohms and front infinity components rated at 90w rms @ 3ohms. The amp is not rated at 3ohms. Only 2 and 4 ohms. I want to set rear gains at 60w @ 3ohms and fronts at 90w @ 3.
What calculation do I use in this instance. If I set the amp gain voltage to output it’s max of 75 @ 4ohms or 150 @ 4ohms, I fear I will over power my rear speakers which are 60w @ 3ohms…is there a calculator to see what my amp will dish out with a 3 ohm load based on its current factory stated rating? I don’t know why they don’t give you the max power of the amp at 3 ohms. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Did you get all sorted out?
Can you get 10" midrange speakers that are 1000 watts and they are for dj systems box
I don't know much about PA speakers, Parts Express sells them. I've not seen a 10-in PA speaker designed to handle a thousand watts. And that much power isn't really necessary on a PA speaker since they are so much more efficient than car audio drivers.
What size brad nailer do you use
18 gauge.
Which kind of nail gun are you using please because I need to buy one and yours looks good 🙋♂️
There should be a "products" link in the opening of the video that will take you to it.
And also include in a video how you tuning sub boxes
I may have a few of those floating around.
hello can i ask about your video on bandpass (4th order)? you said you should tune the ported side to the fs of sealed side, but why does almost everyone tune their ported side high? example 50hz, or your just suppose to tune both side high? thank you for your vids you really helping me grow♥️
A sealed enclosure raises the fs of the driver. That is why they tend to tune to that 50Hz number because it is a typical normal rise of the sealed enclosure for a lot of subs. But every box, car and driver are different slightly. So if you want to go with custom bandpass enclosures you might want to have the ability to test and patients/finances to rebuild a lot. I have rarely met someone that goes down this rabbit whole that doesn't eventually go back to ported or sealed. Because remember the car is already a bandpass enclosure itself so adding an additional complex enclosure into that just adds more stress for tiny if any benefits. And in my opinion should only be done when no other choice is available to raise the sound levels like in a small vehicle or something and you've already maxed out wattage and subs.
I think a lot of people don't really know how to properly design a band pass. They are really tricky to get right.
Yep
last question, does a 50hz bandpass tuning (50hz fs on sealed with 50hz port) can play low notes? 33hz~40hz? or do i have to tune the sealed side even lower? thank you sir i manage to build my first box and it sounds amazing
@@LacerationAudioPinoy I don't have my notes handy so I'm trying to do this from memory. In an SPL build you want a huge ported section for a bump at a specific frequency. A smaller ported section will give a smooth response over a wider frequency band.
Salute
When I think sq sub, I am thinking morel, what I use, or focal, or a select few others, speakers like that don’t “hit hard”
Or have massive xmax, they hit accurately, have a high level of speaker control, “dampening factor” , and usually only one sub is used due to phase issues of using two.
But what do I know….
You really should give these a try. They are magnificent. I'm always swapping subwoofers in and out for videos, /testing etc etc. But these are my go-to. I slide this box into the truck whenever. I just want to enjoy music.
Could anyone help me design a good box for 2x jbl gto1202d? Either sealed, ported or 4th order
That is a great question, join us on our next live show and we will try to give a detailed answer: bit.ly/3PYKG5P
WHAT is the net volume on this box.....looks to small according to the parts express tech sheet.
Honestly don't remember, probably 2.5 or 3 cuft. It is the best-sounding enclosure I have ever built.
You can get the plans here: bit.ly/48qYQ7X
Whats your opinion on the audio control subwoofers? Sound quality and performance?
I have no experience with them. My guess is they are like everything else audio control, great stuff with extra-large price tags.
What is your favorite SQ 12” subwoofer?
Th 12" version of these. These sound absolutely amazing. By far the cleanest subwoofers I have ever used. Check the link in the description.
Your awesome
Thanks
Where the speakers HO daytons or HF ? Both are great.❤ 14:25
HO
That's what I have and love
My DIY boxes never look this good 😆 🤣 Have you tired these subs in a sealed box?
I have not, I have heard they do very well in a sealed box.
Where can I contact you to build me a sealed box for two 15 stereo integrity SQL?
Unfortunately I'm not set up to build boxes for customers. I recommend Toids DIY, He can do flat packs, or MBEnclosures, he can and ship boxes.
Get the subwoofer here*: parts-express.sjv.io/3P1ELA
Enclosure Plans: bit.ly/47rMD2D
Which speaker use
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❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 great job brother 😢😢😢🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Thanks 😁
Would u ever do like a single HO 8" build focused on SQ. Like for DEEP bass for an average person?
I'm game for that, that would be pretty straightforward. Not sure how much deep base you're going to get out of an eight.
@@DIYAudioGuy I've seen single 8's go to at least 130db at 30 hz. But that's not with a Dayton which is unfortunately 300w RMS. Still cool to see what we can do with an 8" for an average daily driver
If it's an avg daily driver, why would you care about getting super loud with an 8"? If you want proper bass, 8" doesn't cut it. 8" and smaller subs are a nonsense trend with these companies trying to push big wattage thru them are just looking to get paid by the fad followers. The amount of space it takes for a high powered 8" you can easily fit a 10" or most likely a 12" and get better results.
The problem with "avg daily drivers" is the max power you can have on the alternator without causing problems. Most factory alts can handle about 1,500 watts total system power before lights start to blink and other issues. Figure 400/500 of that for main speakers, you have about 1,000 left for subs. 1,000 on a 12 is going to be a whole lot better then an 8.
@@MotoAtheist well I never said anything about getting loud. I just want nice lows without having 2 cubic ft or 3
@@vilmfilm You literally mentioned somebody getting 130db with an 8 and you don't think that is loud for an avg daily driver? Was that on music or just an SPL fart?
I wish I had your skills
I started doing this about 8 years ago, get yourself some basic tools and start trying things out. You'll be good at this before you know it.
I have 2 ho 12's in my truck in 2cu ft sealed..they have 2k on them for the last I can't remember how many years at least 10...best sounding sub I've ever owned,sound quality is ridiculous they can get fairly loud also...if your looking for spl/piss off neighbors not gonna be sub 4 u.❤✌️
I would like to try out the HE 15. I bet that thing can move some air.
Looks like an expensive box you created there.
What is it tuned to?
33
@@DIYAudioGuy Do you know off hand how much larger a box would be for a single 12 inch sub tuned to 33 vs 45 hz
@@scamchan You can tune any size box to any frequency.
So a 33HZ tune means its very "musical". Interesting.
Can i donate to you for you to design a box for my pontiac fiero for behind the seats? i was planning on using either 2-PIONEER TS-A3000LS4 12" Shallow-Mount Subwoofer with 1,500 Watts Max. Power or maybe 2 10s.....let me know what u think
I charge for box plans, but I don't make vehicle-specific plans. To many variables, it is hard to do those without access to the vehicle. I recommend that you talk to a local shop.
Now you need a small name plate to attach to your boxes.
I thought about that, I have a laser now so I could cut some and engrave them. Just need to get some metal thin enough to cut on the laser.
@@DIYAudioGuy I think even a small wooden tag would look good.
I hope you’re not using particleboard you’re using MDF
Is it an isobaric push pull Banpass I haven’t seen your whole video but it looks good
You should read heavy weight boxing. By sound stream Spl 170’s
It is a mix of MDF and birch plywood, I had a half sheet of each on hand. ua-cam.com/video/bxSATdaz3eo/v-deo.html
That would take me a year to build
It was not an easy project.
That box came out very clean. I'm not a fan of carpet but I really dig the look.
If you have an iPad, you could record a video with the UMIK-1 connected to it. It might be a little awkward to do so, but it's a quick and easy way to get a better recording of the bass. I could never get my UMIK-1 to work with my iPhones. But somehow works fine with my iPad without needing any special app. Just the stock camera app uses it as the mic.
I will give that a try!