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There’s a point in this video where a symptom of my chronic illness is very visible. I’ve edited this out in videos before but I decided not to this time because it’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’m doing well health wise, but sometimes I get random bouts of inflammation that are visible. 🤷♂️
I completely missed it, where was it? I was more focused on the discussion, and I do find medical stuff fascinating. That all said to say that you probably have no reason to edit it out.
You should make a UA-cam channel. You'd have so many subscribers. Just hanging out with the cats, being an awesome Satanist family with cuddly kitties. So cute! ❤❤❤
When I first started my deconstruction, I had my own “therapeutic blasphemy” moment. At the time, I didn’t know that this is what it was but the description is spot on. Basically alone in my car I whispered “Jesus Christ” to myself as a curse. Taking the lords name in vain. This was always a hard boundary for me and my family. We would say “oh my god” all the time but NEVER Jesus Christ. After that first whisper, I said it a couple more times with increasing confidence. And nothing happened. But the words lost their power over me. And that was a huge step
I totally relate to that experience. It's almost like exposure therapy to get rid of that brainwashed fear. For me during my religious transition, the biggest thing was reminding myself of the logical reasons that hell makes no sense. Hell is scary, but nothing to be afraid of. Because it doesn't exist.
I have never seen satanism as controversial.. people just hear "satan" and get upset without looking into it.. I've spoken with so many theists who have that "satanic panic" approach to it and have never even read the satanic temples rules, ever.
@@einienj3281 Especially when you read the bible and they only SAY the devil does bad things, but none of the descriptions of actions are actually bad. The character that actually does the bad things is god. Everything in that religion is just so messed up.
@@littlebitofhope1489 In a sense, it's better to be a Chaotic Neutral devil with honest intentions than a Lawful Evil god who tries to paint itself as the ultimate good.
I love the term Therapeutic Blasphemy. I did this when I left the Pentecostal Church not knowing what it was. I burned the bible I used during my ex-gay therapy, and I cremated a poppet of my Christian self. This was very healing for me and helped lessen the trauma of my "ex-gay" experience.
I'm in the process of leaving the pentecostal church right now. I put a clip of people at my church speaking in tongues in a rap song that me and a friend made and i had no idea this is what I was experiencing
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Well, the two forms of "Reparative Therapy" I went through didn't mention hormones or dysmorphia. The Psychological model said I had a wounded idea of masculinity and was identifying too much with the female. The Spiritual model had me undergo fastings, prayer and exorcisms.
@@gweltawenydd6176ah felt that. i was Muslim and was told to pray and fast and read qur'an to simply stop being gay. didn't work! still gay, just now an atheist
As a Christian buddy you're going to be awful fucking disappointed when you go in the grave and rot and realize you spent you're entire life believing in a false profit whether that be God or Satan in reality how simple minded are human beings to live wasting their entire existence believing such nonsense is the real blasphemy 😂
Therapeutic blasphemy is the term I've been looking for! I practice witchcraft as a way to thumb my nose at the culture I was raised in(on the border of fundamentalist Christianity), and just for fun because I find it fascinating, even though I don't believe in the supernatural or magic at all. I've always mentally kind of compared it with what the Satanic Temple does, but I'm so glad to add the term therapeutic blasphemy to my personal vernacular!
As one who worships Cthulhu ironically I can relate to that - even though I don’t really believe in Cthulhu, it’s a fun way to reject the Evangelical/Charismatic beliefs I was raised on while expressing my love of Lovecraft’s cosmic horror stories!
I started with Satanism by reading the Satanic bible in 1985 at 15 in a small town in the midwest. It was the first time I read something with religious or spiritual connotations that made sense to me. I was then drawn to TST as it was not the libertarian version of Satanism that the COS is. It's sad though I live a little more than a mile from where Anton's wonderful Black Victorian used to stand. I drive by and see the the house that was erected and want to knock on the door and ask if the people have any idea of the history of where they live and what their house has blotted out. The modern day SF denizen has almost zero connection to the counter culture and radical beauty that the city once was---they would probably just say, they got the property for cheap and be proud that the Tech Bro Colonization is complete.
While I appreciate the sentiment, life does go on. Who knows what was there before Anton or the culture of SF. Nothing will be the same because nothing ever could be the same
@@biogopher I agree with some of that. I personally blame our greedy politicians, real estate developers and others. This is not specific to SF. It's a weird phenomena of hyper Gentrification or what I call Class Colonization, The monied people want to live near culture and then their arrival destroys what they wanted to live near. Can you really have a black victorian as a Satanic HQ(With exception to TST HQ in Salem Mass)in a rural or suburban area in the US without the threat of potential violence? Meanwhile the wealthy and tech bro WFH peeps can live anywhere they choose. Most of our brick and mortar stores are closing because most are WFH and do all their shopping online. I truly think this class of people feels a huge sense of satisfaction when the last gallery, rehearsal space and smaller venue and counter culture meeting spaces shutter. Another city safe for the most bland and over paid people yet.
@@biogopherI think Jeremy is talking more about acknowledging the history. There are lots of buildings all over the country that are dedicated as landmarks that have some sort of special value due to the history associated with them. Sometimes even just putting up a plaque, there are subtle ways to help the next generations remember significant places and ideas that came before. In fact sometimes they aren't even real. Last summer my Dad went on a motorcycle trip and sent me a photo of him standing next to the white washed picket fence from Huckleberry Finn, which is not actually real, the book is fiction so it's just totally made up, but it still has cultural significance and celebrating that is perfectly acceptable in my view.
With San Francisco's decline as a haven for nonconformity, where is left in the United States that one can fly their freak flag proudly? I too mourn the passing of Emperor Norton's domain.
I had my own therapeutic blasphemy experience. I've been an atheist my entire life. My parents were raised in religious households and rejected that. But it wasn't until I was in high school that I learned that my parents were both abused and religion was used as an excuse for that. I had a little pocket Bible that my grandmother had given me when I was about 7. I didn't believe in Christianity, but I kept it because it was a gift. When I found out what she had done to my father when he was a kid, I saw the pocket Bible on my shelf and was furious. So I burnt it. It was very much an active rejection of the Bible and Christianity as a basis for morality.
Christianity does not condone abuse AT ALL. If you listen to what Jesus taught, you'd understand. I am very sorry about your family's suffering, but the blame is not on the Bible or Christianity, it's on the humans who do the horrible things.
I just realized... even YOU used the Bible as an "excuse" for your anger. Why not burn a photo of him? Address him directly? How does burning the Bible in privacy do anything but divert your feelings to IT?
@toeachitsown2050 Burn a photo of whom? Jesus? I wasn't angry at Jesus. Address Jesus directly? I don't believe in an afterlife and I don't have a time machine and I don't speak Aramaic, so that would be difficult.
One thing that should be noted regarding pluralism, and tolerance in general: A tolerant society is only tolerant if it does not tolerate intolerance. As soon as you accept intolerance, you impact the tolerance of that society. If you accept more extreme acts of intolerance, like the idea of bombings, then you have an extremely intolerant society. I raise this point because many bastions of intolerance use the outcry against their intolerance to try to sabotage claims of tolerance by those who are acting to oppose various forms of bigotry.
I've recently been introduced to that paradox's name: the paradox of tolerance. One thing I'm wondering about though, is that by throwing away that theoretical purity in the notion of "tolerance", it then becomes an important question what constitutes "intolerance", such that intolerance of intolerance is allowed and even encouraged. What stops intolerant people from justifying their intolerance by accusing their target of intolerance with intolerance? I think it can and has been used by far-right groups accusing the other side of doing it first.
@@n484l3iehugtil Yes, but since the far rght has been supporting systems designed to oppress black people since that system was called "slavery" I think it's hard for any reasonable person to see as a chicken or egg scenario
@@n484l3iehugtil The simple answer is to not view tolerance as a moral imperative, but as a social contract. At its core, tolerance is nothing more or less than the agreement that "I will allow you to live your life as you see fit, as long as it does not cause harm, as long as you agree to allow me to live my life as I see fit, as long as it does not cause harm." Intolerance is a deliberate refusal to accept those terms- "You must live your life the way that I think you should." Once that happens, the agreement is null and void, and the one who refuses to agree to the terms is not protected by the agreement. Basically, tolerance is offered as long as it is returned. The instant that another party deliberately chooses not to abide by the terms, no party is obligated to the other. As an example for this video, while I am not a part of TST, they are willing to allow me to live my life as I see fit, and so I am willing to let them live their lives as they see fit. Conversely, fundamentalist Christians are not willing to allow me to live my life as I see fit, and therefore, I am under no obligation to tolerate them unless and until they are willing to meet that basic agreement. Hope that helps resolve the paradox for you!
I'd like to expand on a concept that was touched on around 25:30. I think Christians interpreting the destruction of the bible differently than the Satanists is rooted in a phenomena that isn't just exclusive to religion but applies more broadly to any ideology that deals with authority in general. Ideologies with an authoritarian bent tend to blame the things they see as problematic in the world on _people_ while more egalitarian ideologies tend to blame problems on _systems._ Just like Christians blame Satanists/secularists/"evolutionists" for the things they think are problems in the world, imperialists blame socialists, Nazis blame Jews, conservatives blame "leftists," the LGBT community, immigrants, etc. etc. On the other hand, Satanists place blame on the institutions and practices of Christianity moreso than individual Christians, socialists and anarchists place blame on systems of oppression like capitalism and imperialism and antifascists place blame on (obviously) fascism, racism and bigotry as a whole. I think this is where a lot of the misunderstandings about things like destroying a bible representing the destruction of Christian _people_ specifically rather than the symbolic destruction of a tool of an oppressive system comes from. Christians, viewing things from an authoritarian standpoint, just aren't going to be thinking about systems as separate from people. That'd challenge the very concept of sin by allowing for things like violating the commandment against stealing because a corrupt political and economic system forced you to steal food from a despotic oligarch to feed a starving child. The problem is with the corrupt system and not the person doing the stealing, but that's not an acceptable conclusion to draw in Christianity because the commandments come from an absolute authority and have no caveats.
Its sad that so many people are un able to look at things from a different perspective. I think your assessment is fairly on point here and it kinda makes me sad.
@@specilegg People who believe god, Jesus, and the devil are all figments of human imagination aren't going to find that argument persuasive, or even coherent.
@@bartolomeothesatyr Don't bother with this one. He always just cut-and-pastes that one lame-ass comment in nearly every comment thread and never relies to anyone. Guy seems OCD and compelled to do this. It's really sad. I've reported him for spam.
I'm a TST member in my local congregation, and I love the phrasing of "Therapeutic Blasphemy". I'm ex military, and was raised in a military household. All that said, I practice an annual personal ritual (i.e., not a TST ritual), where I burn a flag and a bible on the 4th of July as a symbolic rejection of all the things they have come to symbolize in our society. It is extremely cathartic for me.
@@qxz9p 1. that's an insanely idiotic argument. 2. i don't even go to church. 3. more kids get molested in secular schools by their teachers than in church by clergy 4. collective responsibility for individual offenses is a total chomo view point and 5. f'n blow me
My personal therapeutic blasphemy: I refer to Jesus as "Jangus Crisco." It's not actually to offend other people. It's to mentally break free of the indoctrination I was raised with.
@@AdamTheJensen He never replies to anyone. He's just copy-pasting that one lame-ass comment into every thread. I've reported a bunch of these lazy-ass comments for spam.
I appreciate this content so much! I see some comments stating that GMS posting content on Satanism is making you out to be a TST channel, but I don't agree at all. You have genuinely opened my mind up to the myths of other religions, including Satanism. The fact that Satanists perform acts of blasphemy in order to help them deconstruct sounds very healthy. Living in fear is not living. Thank you for this content!
Yeah, the comments saying that I’m promoting superstition, have become a religious Satanist, or that I’m trying to convert people to Satanism are pretty frustrating. This is clearly educational content like I’ve always made, but it seems even some non-religious people have such knee-jerk reactions to satanic imagery that they make hasty generalizations about me and my motivations. Thank you for the encouragement, and I’m glad you enjoy this content!
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticI'm a atheist satanist. Your putting out good content you sure you're not a satanist. You could tell us you and hope you and your wife convert one day.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiinewhy did you waste your time on pasting this everywhere here. Ik for a fact you searched for videos about Satan so you could fulfill your pretentious ego by pasting this, when you have changed nobody's opinion and probably pushed 100s of people away from Christianity. Nice use of your time
@@specilegg Have you ever actually took a step back and realized how much power “Satan” has? If God’s so powerful then why does a fallen angel have so much power to corrupt all of creation? It sounds stupid but that’s because it’s an archaic good vs evil mentality that ancient humans used in myths.
@@NoOne-wz2hthow does that work? Let's assume you prove the words to be of God described by them. If he's real, they are real words of a real being. If he's not real they are real words of a fake being. Achieves nothing.
@@Ploskkky yes I can Firstly let's start with the following. The quran has been preserved down to the letter and this can be proven because to this day there is only one quran. If there were mistakes in copying that made it through. Then you would see many versions of the quran like you see with the Bible today. This means that the original message of the quran and the exact words have been the same. Next let's start with the actual proof. Firstly, the literary miracles: the quran has a level of eloquence that makes it so that it can't be replicated in quality. The quran has challenged people to produce a chapter let alone a book like it. (Objective criteria is used) but for 1400+ years. Not even the best arab poets could do it. Next, I'll talk about the scientific miracles, for example it talks about life coming from water or something along those lines. We now know everything is made up of cells. Which are mostly water. Another thing is the prophecies, for example rome being defeated but winning a couple years later. All of these prophecies have come true. All of this evidence leads us to the conclusion that there can be no possible author for the Qur'an other than allah. Muhammad (S.A.W) was an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago. He couldn't have known all this. I now challenge you to disprove my argument. An "easy" way to do this is to find a mistake or contradiction in the quran or find some other way the quran was created
Therapeutic Blasphemy is really helpful. I grew up Catholic and still get some nasty guilt trips, so my wife came up with Anti-Lent. We didn't give up things, instead, we indulged. We didn't give up meat on Fridays--we got steak and bacon and pork. Giving up sweets for Lent? Nope. Let's bake a cookie cake! It was quite cathartic (and delicious).
Thanks for demonstrating that you're still chained by your former religious beliefs. Go ahead if it makes you feel good, but call me unimpressed. You'll only be free if you don't care anymore.
@@marknieuweboer8099 Hey, dumbass, what do you think Therapeutic Blasphemy is for? It's a way to help you cope and make you feel good if you are still chained, as you put it.
@@marknieuweboer8099 "You'll only be free if you don't care anymore," yes, that is the idea. For now, these little acts I do are a way of helping me unchain myself little at a time. And it did feel good; the bacon-wrapped steak was delicious!
Where a troll is just getting their rocks off by pissing people off, TST uses satire to draw attention to hypocrisy, inconsistency, and other shortcomings that lawmakers and religions tend to impose. Inevitably, those already indoctrinated or making the laws, will be pissed off. Plenty more will see those shortcomings - maybe for the first time, maybe with a new perspective. tldr: troll bad; satire productive
Frankly in a lot of ways, yes. But it's main purpose is to fight for people's rights to believe (or not believe) in what they want & to prevent the Evangelical takeover that's currently in progress. They *FIRMLY* believe in the Separation of Church & State, & find it offensive & oppressive that Evangelicals insist on putting their religion into everything, with their silly monuments & trying to re-write law to reflect their religious views.
I think for former Christians who have been hurt by the Church it also has the purpose of reassuring oneself that one matters and is worthy of respect and love and not some wretched shameful being that Christianity sometimes teaches that humans are without their God.
I’m all for this content, GMS. I think you should cover more offbrand religions. Especially the one I was raised in: Quakerism. It’s a lot like Satanism in its liberal, not-necessarily theistic worldview that values truth above all. But it’s also got a lot of fascinating history behind it. Worth a video on.
That'd be cool. I know nothing about Quakers other than something something about Oats and they founded Pennsylvania. Not sure there's many still around today? But if you were raised in it (I've never met a Quaker) then I'm sure there's more out there than I think.
@@talyahr3302 There really aren’t many. We exist, but we’re quiet anyways and don’t get talked about much. William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania was indeed one of the early Quakers, and also the original face of Quaker Oats.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
I absolutely would love documentation on it, that has to be a hilarious read. In my own fictional story demons who do kind acts are cursed by having their mouth and teeth go to almost to their ears making them look more evil and demonic. Of course they say they get the trait by doing kind acts and if challenged they will simply say how the other person would know because after all they are not the demon.
@@n0etic_f0x"In my own fictional story" Make sure to add a disclaimer in the prologue where you clarify that it is indeed fiction. You know, just in case some conmen want to base a religion off you stories a few centuries after your death. Not that it will stop them from trying, but at least it might make the counter-apologetics job easier for future generations of skeptics, lol.
As a person who identifies as a Satanist (but not a member of TST), I adore these videos on Satanism. Beyond refreshing to hear this from an academic perspective.
If you truly are a Satanist you despise TST because they are not Satanists. They are a political organization that uses Satanism to promote their Woke ideology. I ally gladly with theistic Satanists if they wipe out TST.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
Does TST have meetings? Or is it just the website for most people? I know they have a convention, but I would like to actually meet people and can't find anything.
I really appreciate videos examining this philosophy/theology, as my own parents who aren't even religious seem to even be squeemish when I tell them I'm identifying and associating with Satanism. Your videos on this are extremely well done and put into words what I wish I could explain to them better than I ever could. So thank you.
If I had to guess, I'd say your folks are probably worrying about social backlash more than religious consequences. Identifying as a rebel is not a socially safe thing to do, especially when the group you're rebelling against is fanatical and heavily armed.
Same. My parents can kind of just hear satanism and assume that means like evil and Christian devil worshipping type thing when really I’m not even all that theistic. I’m mostly just completely agnostic in I think it’s a possibility but regardless of what deities may exist I don’t care and it won’t affect the way I live my life at all. So it’s kind of odd being told that like you worship the devil and I have to explain that no I don’t and I don’t worship anyone actually which somehow is even more confusing
Psalm 2: 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
@@jjphank Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
27:00 THERAPEUTIC BLASPHEMY. finally i have a term for what i'm actually doing since deconstructing my faith. Thank you for giving me a word for it!!! ❤
@@specilegg I don't really have a problem with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, but the institutions that make dogma out of it. I just don't believe jesus was holy, nor any other prophet. I have 7 commandments that I live by, I will never intentionally cause harm because I believe life is ending.
@@specilegg moreover, Jesus never wrote any part of the bible, it was passed down for at least 20 years, and all the rest that came after, just seems more egregious. but I can get behind the idea of the new testament, probably sounded pretty great at the time
I was dating someone who is a member of TST for a while, and while I really appreciated the idea and the actual activism that they participate in, I just didn't want to officially join the group. I may never get over the stigma that hearing "Religion" stirs within me, and no matter how many times she tried to explain that they are not a Theistic Religion, I could never grasp that. I still can't, to be honest. To me, without the supernatural part, Religion becomes 100% synonymous with "Club". I understand the concept, and Lucien Greaves might be one of the most charismatic speakers I've ever seen, so I'm proud that I was able to meet some really cool people through TST. Although the last Saturnalia Celebration (for the local chapter, anyway) was... weird. I mean, even for the most progressive minded among us, a few segments were... unsettling. If you're a fellow heathen though, you've gotta appreciate the Motorized Spinning Crucifix that one member built... there's more to it, but I don't want to break any community guidelines by posting that.
Theistic religions can also be likened to a club. It really just depends on what kinds of ideas you load up the word "club" with. But also like, clubs are great. One thing religious people have over secular people is a higher than average sense of communal belonging. On average, non religious people are more isolated from their broader community and express more feelings of loneliness.
Break the "guidelines". You aren't a member, and they aren't a cult. You just gave them WAY too much power. And from what I know of them, it's not a power that they are interested in.
Some of us do hold supernatural/occult/theistic beliefs in a Satan/Lucifer, or at least love the culture of it, the mythology, theology, and what a Devil represents. However, the TST officially does not identify as theistic, and that's okay. Some of us members do hold slightly different views but we do not go against TST.
@rainbowkrampus I absolutely agree. I tend to have a pretty broad definition of "Club", partly because so many clubs that I grew up around did have rituals, ideologies, hierarchies (I know TST tries, and mostly succeeds, to be a non-centralized Religion). The only thing that I truly enjoyed when I went to church was that sense of community and belonging. Just so everyone is clear, I wasn't shitting on TST. I actually like the concept. I just want to clarify because I did meet a few members who mistook "I Love what you guys do and what you stand for, but I just don't personally want to officially join." as a personal attack or something. I think that might just have been reflex, as anyone who doesn't know the Seven Tenets might just assume they are literally worshiping "The Devil".
Gotta say, as a recovering Christian i really dig the theraputic blasphemy idea. Id call myself a spiritual humanist at this point, but the idea of giving the metaphoric finger to things that twisted me so much when i was a kid is powerfully attractive.
@@abundantharmony not particularly. I can't speak for anybody else, but why would I feel the desire to symbolically refute a religion that I've never had any connection to?
@@abundantharmonymaybe because America is a Christian nation for the most part. If the middle east allowed for freedom like this they’d do the same to the Quran as that’s what their system is based off and so on. So .. yeah bud.. lol
@@aaronayala894 America isn't a Christian nation at all. A simple look at the blatantly satanic layout of Washington DC will show you that. Dig a little. It's build into the streets. Most of the founding fathers were Deists and esoteric heretics. Google, "Satanic layout of Washington DC" to find out what the founding fathers were REALLY into.
I have a lot of sadness about the destruction (and natural loss in some cases) of preChristian European spiritual beliefs, practices and cosmology. Satanism helps me to heal that wound a little, as well as my own religious trauma. Would love to see Arith Harager on here or someone samiliar talking about specific pre Christian European traditions and how to bridge them today
Why? It all comes from the human brain, so there is no more variation in it than in the human brain. It's all the same in it's differences. Just make up your own. That's what everyone else did.
@@specilegg You mean the guy who said he was coming with a sword, and to hate your families? Uh, no. God is a proven liar, so you can't believe anything that fictional character says. God as portrayed in the bible deserves more than rebellion.
Great interview! I have always had a lot of time for TST, as a committed atheist from a child it felt like a kinder and often more sensible worldview than the usual religions on offer.
Full disclosure: I'm not a member of the Satanic Temple. But I like these people! Just read their basic tenets. What can you possibly disagree with about their values as articulated there? I mean, what's not to like?
@@littlebitofhope1489 When I went to seminary, and learned there that supposedly god massacred somewhere around 2 million people in the bible and Satan killed about 10 people, suddenly Satan didn't seem quite so bad after all.
@@subtle.presence I can't find those 10 people either. But yes, and it was also god who lied, and Satan told the truth. Satan even kept to the rules of the bet in Job.
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
I'm a (kinda?) theistic Satanist - a rare breed, if the words of authority are to be trusted - and my idea of Satanism comes from dialectical thinking: An ideological framework with the symbol or spirit of Satan held in high regard.
@@IgnisDaemonicus A social construct, but one we've evolved as a communal mammal. It is therefore quite useful for the members to have a grasp of this as to interface with the community, and form an atmosphere of reality testing and moral framework which benefits the collective. That being said, I hold my understanding of black-and-white morality in wretched esteem and prefer to look at things relationally on the ground. I like to have an encompassing Yin-Yang view on things, acknowledging my life circumstance and my role in its creation, and feel them feels before they turn into terminal lumbago.
You have the same standard as everyone else, so it should be difficult. In order to claim Satan is real, you need real, reliable evidence. There really is no "spirit" of satan in the supernatural sense.
I'm a spiritual Luciferian/Satanist and also a member of TST. They're an awesome group of allies. Thank you for the coverage. Hail Lucifer ✨️ , Ave Satanas 🙌 𖤍 𖤐
One of the problems I have found when you ridicule another's perspective or belief through a hypothetical spectacle. They take you seriously, when you in honestly mean the complete opposite. They REFUSE to see this. They want to believe the worse. They want their beliefs confirmed. They want to feel justified in their hatred, their righteousness. They believe they stand for good. Nobody else can stand for good unless you believe what they believe. When your beliefs start showing that you stand for good, this is exactly why they get upset about it. They feel they hold the monopoly on "good" or "Moral". They will intern paint it as a lie, to re-affirm their view, often with more feverish distain. I feel that this basically allows Christians to destroy their own values from within, keeping a false belief because it no longer reflects what it was originally. People will always show you who they are and what they stand for when you criticize what they believe.
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
As a member of TST, therapeutic blasphemy was honestly one of the most freeing aspects for me personally since my deconstruction from being a fundamental Christian for 20 years.
@@that_viewerguy gods left plenty of evidence, The god of to the Bible, all the other religions are cartoon religions! Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter! The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin! First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained;, The first two laws of thermodynamics! So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here! DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“ Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job! 3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing! The Bible Predicted telecommunications
@@Sean20245 i’m on here trying to save poor, ignorant souls like yourself, From going to eternal hell! Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter! The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin! First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained;, The first two laws of thermodynamics! So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here! DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“ Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job! 3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing! The Bible Predicted telecommunications
They absolutely can, but it's also fun and interesting to live with one. The problems come when people aren't self aware enough to realize that's what they're doing.
Human beings literally cannot live without myths nor is God a myth remember, myths are things we build to explain things to people who cannot understand them, yet the people who make the myth usually understand the concept of the myth more than the other people, and are trying to translate that understanding to them.
@@top_gallant I am telling you that human beings literally cannot live without myths. This is not even something that is unknown. This is just a fact we make a myth literally about almost everything we come across that we can’t understand to help us connect that concept to something we do understand. In modern times, some people don’t call them myths anymore they/we call them, stories, testimonies, theories, assertions, or claims. The TV shows we watch with the characters and archetypes, climaxes and arcs that help portray certain facets of society, the testimony is that one person has of another person that they know that they are telling someone else as a cautionary tale, or to further help drive a point home, or our theories and assertions that use other facets of that field of study, that we already do understand to help fill the gaps between what we don’t using similarities, similes and metaphors. You literally need myths to help see how you should, can, are interacting with the world. I am asking you to check this prideful urge you felt to try to attack me and make me seem different from you, because we are all the same .
''Satanism expert'' is such a cool job description. Even unemployment would be cool. I can only imagine going into unemployment, and the bureau person asks ''Ok, so what was you last profession, maybe we can find something similar'', and you reply ''Yeh, satanism expert''. Thats a story i wanna see. When this happens in america ( i dunno how unemployment there works at all, as might be apparent right now ) i can only imagine they will be like ''Oh.. Oh, i see here they are looking for those in sweden'' or something.
The Pluralism he's talking about made me think of ancient Greece. There was the Greek Pantheon with Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Ares, Hades, etc. But there were different temples and orders devoted to the various gods, but as far as I'm aware there wasn't generally dismissive or disrespectful attitude if one didn't follow your preferred god; it wasn't like you would deny the other's existence, rather you just had reasons to prefer your chosen god. That was a kind of pluralism, if under a large umbrella of the pantheon in general. Of course, I don't know just how prevalent the belief in the pantheon actually was, nor how respectful people were generally, so maybe I'm wrong about my impression.
When Christianity chose to turn their back on homosexuality there became a need for another form of beliefs where homosexuality was accepted. Religion has been the cause of wars since the beginning . Everyone deserves to be accepted and loved in this life.
Rome was always at war and they never needed a religion. Same with America. The homosexuality thing is basically true but a lot of straight people just hate homosexuality. I would say the main cause of war is the lack of consensus on who should be the authority. India and thibet never go to war so the religious motive is easily debunked by real religions. In case you are wondering god is the authority and any time you want to go find god and obey you can. Til then you will live in a world where might makes right and people will threaten you with torture to make you obey. Satanists try to replace god with morality, but there will always be conflicts. Atheists try to replace god with science but science cant solve the issue of who should rule either. Hitlers, trumps and ghenghis khans abound in history.
2:00 Confucianism, considered one of the World's great religions, is entirely non-supernatural. When asked questions about God, Confucius' standard answer was, that he had enough difficulty figuring out the proper relationships among men, let alone being able to determine anything about God. Confucianism is an ethical philosophy that provides the rules of behavior that bring about a harmonious society.
Great interview! So much good stuff was brought up here. I will read the book and i hope that he can be a regular guest here. He was great the last time you had him on a well.
Have you ever heard of the band ghost? My parents would never let me listen to them because of their satanic themes… I fucking love their music tho so I could care less. I think it would be cool if you made a video analyzing some of their lyrics and the deeper meaning, just a suggestion though😊
Thank you, for bringing stuff like this to light. Just because we call ourselves Satanists doesn’t make us mass-murdering monsters hell-bent on world domination. If anything, that kinda sums up Christianity’s past when you think about it 🤷♂️
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
@@specileggI'm sure spamming every comment with this over and over again will most definitely cause them to convert immediately and they will absolutely not think you are an annoying child plucked straight from kids church.
I was passively listening to this while working, and suddenly I hear (without context): "And so this van of bondage babies sort of opens up, and they spill out, and someone begins spray-painting one of them gold and worshipping them, like an idol..." I think I need to start this video over.
You definitively got right on the point on the appropriation part. I got called satanist by Christians the instant I started to question it. "If that is what you WANT me to be, then so I will become one!" was the narrative in my head. Been a proud member of TST for a couple of years now, even though I still live outside of the US, but if my life goes according to my plans I will make that move and be able to take a more active and physical part in the Salem chapter.
@@specilegg hahah golden comment! You do realize 1 your entire comment i futile as f**k 2 only proves OUR point? hahha anyhow thanks for the laugh AVE SATANA to you too
I was in the Air Force in South Korea in the mid '80's, we had one Church of Satan Chaplain. He was written up for hanging the cross up-side-down because of a safety issue rather than religious reasons.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
0:00 Intro 1:46 Non-Supernaturalist Religion 5:09 Religious Pluralism 9:40 Cultural Jamming 15:44 Appropriating the Discourse of Evil 19:33 Counter Myth 25:18 Therapeutic Blasphemy 30:24 Outro
I once was in a religion class. I asked the teacher what she thought about satanists. She dodged the question but i think it was clear that she doesn't like satanists
Let me answer that question for you... Satanists usually don't believe in God or a satan and that is a LIE that satan puts into their head. And that's why religious people don't like to answer that question. To not offend anyone
Regardless of what this video is trying to manipulate you into thinking you should not like Satanist if you read dear cure principles, they literally try to inspire you to be selfish, destructive and disregardant of other people
This was awesome! I thought I knew a lot about Satanism, but boy was I wrong! One thing to keep in mind about LaVeyan Satanism is the Satanic Bible is full of literal gibberish and "spells", even though Anton claimed to never believe in them. There's some good nuggets of wisdom in there, but the man shouldn't be revered. He was a con man, (and not too kind toward animals) and was definitely a product of his time. I got more out of The Satanic Witch, which is basically a spooky self-help book for women. Keep on making awesome content! 🤟 I'm adding "Speak of the Devil" to my wishlist for sure :3
When I was about 8 I finally realized that little voice in my head when I asked "God" questions was really just my conscious, ever since I've never had divine assurance equivalently known as deep psychological delusion
It is nice to have an impartial expert comment on Boston, not TST nor Christian. I've often noticed therapeutic blasphemy among ex Christians, I called it the detox or the purge.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
Its crazy to me there are people in the comments of THIS VIDEO that still think satanists literally worship the devil. Just came her to spam post some verse without watching the video.
I am actually watching the video all the way through and yes, Satan is literally do worship the devil. Religion has fucked our minds beyond compare that not only do we not know what the devil is, but we think that these two concepts are somehow separated
@@KadandEve the satanic temple do not literally worship the devil. There are actual devil worshippers out the but the whole point of the satanic temple is using the imagery to mock christianity for its centuries of oppression and believing that you're your own god and create your own destiny
The devil is literally just supposed to be the archetype of the prideful intellect that is a contrarian to the peace in a society,is an adversary or instigator of conflict instead of a resolver. Satanism literally tells you to do the thing and be OK with doing the things that will make you more like the archetype of the devil. A.k.a. prideful beyond all repair, believing that they know better than anyone else that dares oppose them, and are willing to instigate, cause drama attack and belittle that person. Satanists are good at playing semantics just like any human being in any field of study or “religion” that is trying to monopolize power for themselves while also manipulating the people who don’t know much about it. If you go back and look at their original beliefs and then you start following how they changed it overtime even if you start in modern times you can see within 10 to 20 years. They have been less open in the forefront with what they believe. And It used to be, “Satan wasn’t the bad guy. He was actually the good guy and you should believe in him.” Then it became “God and Satan aren’t real. God was just a tool used to manipulate people into not doing the things that Satan did”, which were actually good things. When in actuality, if you are doing good things you are a follower of God it says so in the Bible if you’re doing bad things you are a follower of the devil. It’s so clear that it’s not a matter of a label that you give to yourself or you give to someone else, but what’s in your heart.
@King.Ambrose the satanic temple has never believed God or the devil are real, physical beings. Just like the church of Satan they belive individualism and religious freedom, and one of the things they most often speak out against is the blatant disregard for separation of church and state in the US. You're thinking of devil worshippers because you're talking like these organizations have been around for centuries but the satanic temple is only a couple decades old and Anton Lavey started the church of Satan in the late 60s, early 70s. These aren't ancient religions.
4:30 it is very Western. In Japan, they’re said to “be born Shinto, marry Christian and die Buddhist.” Meaning they have Shinto birth and childhood traditions (as Japan started out Shinto), Christian weddings (they’re way cheaper than Shinto) and Buddhist funerals (death is considered unclean in Shinto, but natural in Buddhism). There’s no contradiction there. Likewise, in the Journey to the West, the Confucian Jade Emperor of Heaven has a Taoist sage on the payroll, and when neither of them can stop the rampaging Monkey King, they appeal to the Buddha…who traps Monkey under a mountain for 500 years no sweat. The author was Buddhist, but didn’t deny the other gods existed. They just weren’t as cool.
It’s also a very modern notion in the west. Before that, the default assumption was that either every god everywhere was real, or that it was the same pantheon under different names. Egypt, Greece, and Babylon swapped gods like crazy, while the Romans claimed every deity was the same core group under different names. So Mercury was Hermes, Thoth, and Odin. Jupiter was Zeus, Amun and Thor. Christianity was a huge threat to Rome because it couldn’t just add Jesus to the pantheon (although several cultures, like Japan and the early medieval Norse did just that). Belief in the one god meant you couldn’t also pay homage to the gods of the state or the divine emperor. Plus, they preached the impending end of the world (many thought the Great Fire of Rome was judgement day) which was even more destabilizing. Note that Judaism didn’t pose the same threat-it was already ancient by the time of Rome, so it got by on a grandfather clause-and it was very insular. They didn’t proselytize to other citizens, or make grand self-sacrificing martyr displays.
I wish to live a peaceful life, coexisting with my loved ones and strangers alike. The TST has helped to point me in the right direction. They don’t demand anything from me, and I don’t demand anything from them. Satanism is a belief system of compassion and support.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
he does say that true religious pluralism is having people be happy that they live in a place with a lot of religious variety. while i agree that religious freedom is needed for pluralism, being happy about it seems impossible with people who think anyone that disagrees with them go to hell. I would love to see that though.
God would stand above you as a tyrant. Satan stands beside you as an equal. God would have you change who you are to fit what he wants. Satan loves you for you. God is an absentee father, Satan is your loving brother. Who would you follow?
This is unironicly my belief system. I'm in a pagan group that worships Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian deities, but if that doesn't work out for me for whatever reason, I got Satan on bench lol
@@specilegg I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I appreciate terrorist threats. "The Devil" is in rebellion against an evil liar (It was Yahweh who told the first lie in the bible). We do not need to follow anyone who uses genocide as a means to problem solving, or who uses terrorism as a negotiating tactic. If rejecting genocide, slavery, and terrorism makes me evil in your book, then so be it. Better to rebel against such a god, than to serve such wickedness.
@@alananimus9145 I wouldn't bother. This guy just cut-and-pastes the same spammy comment over and over and over into nearly every thread. It's a waste of time to try to engage him.
Therapeutic blasphemy is one of the most healing things I found for myself. I'm a Luciferian today although I started as a modern day satanist and it really helped me to take back my power from years of controlling in catholic church. You know those things they tell you; that you are incomplete without jesus, that you are nothing without god and he's the one who actually decides for you while you think you had thoughts, plans... It really helped me to let all of that go and be eternally thankful that I'm out of that crap.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
I personally always define religion as the glorification or deification of an idea. I do think some element of a god of sorts is involved at all times, just that what constitutes as a god isn't always clear. For example, I would say, the most practiced religion is, without question, that of money. Money is an idea, it's very much man-made. Money isn't coins or paper, nor is it numbers on a screen or data on a server. People with power decide the value of money, but those people only remain in power as long as they have enough money. Money has all the elements of a god, it has near absolute power, yet it doesn't have a consciousness. Very few of us question the power money has, but what is it really? You can say that despite of its power, it isn't anything physical or even metaphysical. All of its power is given by its believers. Without believers, it would cease to exist entirely. Anything that can be described in a similar way, is a god. The practice of granting power to such a concept, is religion. All religions have that same thing in common, that all the power it has, comes from those who believe in it.
Fascinating discussion on many significant levels and in many aspects (philosophically, theologically, politically, sociologically, etc.). Wow, thank you for such interesting things to think about and discuss with others.
If Aliens invaded and forced us to worship “Zorg the embraced” enough time would pass when worshiping Zorg would be the norm and people would think Jesus is bad. Just look at the green gods. Religion is a trend of the area and times.
@@specilegg did you… listen to any of the conversation? I’m not sure how anyone could think that’s even a relevant or cogent statement for this conversation.
My ex neighbor was a Christian and he knew I was an atheist but it never came between us. He never tried to convert me or judged me. We became really good friends and he and his wife were always caring to me and my family. We liked the same things like the same art, comics, movies and music. Anyways, he taught me that there are people out there that are really cool. I moved away from him but we keep in touch and go out for beers once in awhile. I did ask him if it bothered him that I was an atheist. He just said that if I believe that than whose to say that's not the truth? He said there's no reason why he would ever ask or debate me on it since it's a very personal decision and should be kept that. I never brought it up again since I agree with him 100%
“Satan” comes from the Bible, genius! So it truly cannot be anti-theistic therefore, you’re making up a Satan in your own mind; it’s a made up Satanism! Satan has a lot of people fooled, including you if you’re not a Christian !
As an atheist studying satanism, there aren't types of satanism. This is a myth born of a lack of understanding. Prior to 1966, no religion existed that called itself, Satanism. What now tries to brand itself as spiritual or theistic satanism is devil worship. It's people who believe the Christian fables and choose to worship the losing side in that belief system. The term, satanism, was a prejorative, an accusation, mostly levied by the church, against those that they decried as enemies. Anton LaVey created what is specifically Satanism (which is a non-theistic religion of the self) with the creation of the Church of Satan (as no prior religion identified this way). They're atheists who see Satan as a literary figure that best represents them. They have numerous books on the topic, and plenty of information on their website. Satanism is apolitical. Satanists come in literally every political stripe, and never does the religion take part in political actvism. If an individual Satanist holds a view strongly enough, he, she, or they may (and do) take whatever lawful action that they feel is necessary without forgetting the highest law, self-preservation. TST's antics are humorous on the surface but ultimately self-defeating. Let's go put up religious monuments on government grounds to challenge religious monuments on government grounds! It's a joke that wears the name of satanism, which anyone who bothers to dig and do their own reading can see for themselves. I could go on about how they're (TST) a PAC masquerading as a religion, but the main takeaway is that no, none of these other groups were ever self-described as Satanism. The other groups are dark Christians who worship the devil, or PACs playing at being Satanists without knowing what Satanism is. The fact that this self-deacribed "expert" calls these other groups Satanists calls his supposed expertise into question.
"If Christians can do terrible things in the name of Christ, I can do beautiful things in the name of Satan." - Unnamable TST Member, at rally. Testify! Testify!
I'm familiar with Anton Lavey Satanism, but it's interesting to see how it's morphed or evolved I guess since then. Anyway, I always thought Lavey took the name for it's meaning "adversary," and basically to piss off the people he was being adversarial towards. As someone who has been atheist all my life, being a teen in the late 70's into the 80's, his philosophy/religion, (I thought of it as a philosophy) was interesting to be sure. A lot good principals in there and a lot of mockery of well deserved concepts that needed to be mocked. Though, I remember thinking when I first read it, this is like Aleister Crowley and Ayn Rand had a love child. 😏
@@specilegg I actually tend to prefer the romantic literature about Satan, depicting God more as a tyrant and Satan as his heroic rival. I find it far more relatable than the traditional view of their relationship
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There’s a point in this video where a symptom of my chronic illness is very visible. I’ve edited this out in videos before but I decided not to this time because it’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’m doing well health wise, but sometimes I get random bouts of inflammation that are visible. 🤷♂️
Nothing to be ashamed of. ❤
Glad to see you're OK with yourself! Also thankful for your good health, your work is really important to those of us on here.
Good for you. No shame in that.
I completely missed it, where was it? I was more focused on the discussion, and I do find medical stuff fascinating. That all said to say that you probably have no reason to edit it out.
@OneguyUnderTheSky Exactly 💯
I'm a Satanist, and I've adopted 3 black cats. They get spoiled, not sacrificed.😊
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Cat's SHOULD be spoiled.
You should make a UA-cam channel. You'd have so many subscribers. Just hanging out with the cats, being an awesome Satanist family with cuddly kitties. So cute! ❤❤❤
I'm Christian may God bless you my friend in the name of LORD JESUS!
@@OragansKontsin_TheKretyen14 And the blessing of Satan be upon you!
When I first started my deconstruction, I had my own “therapeutic blasphemy” moment. At the time, I didn’t know that this is what it was but the description is spot on. Basically alone in my car I whispered “Jesus Christ” to myself as a curse. Taking the lords name in vain. This was always a hard boundary for me and my family. We would say “oh my god” all the time but NEVER Jesus Christ. After that first whisper, I said it a couple more times with increasing confidence. And nothing happened. But the words lost their power over me. And that was a huge step
I totally relate to that experience. It's almost like exposure therapy to get rid of that brainwashed fear. For me during my religious transition, the biggest thing was reminding myself of the logical reasons that hell makes no sense. Hell is scary, but nothing to be afraid of. Because it doesn't exist.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg Top Jesus with lemon after frying.
@@specileggI'll always rebel against the tyrant.
@@specilegg Getting a life would a better option than lame preaching at people on an internet forum. Go outside and touch grass, kid.
I have never seen satanism as controversial.. people just hear "satan" and get upset without looking into it.. I've spoken with so many theists who have that "satanic panic" approach to it and have never even read the satanic temples rules, ever.
I would have an issue with a Theistic Satanism.
@@littlebitofhope1489Devil worshipers? Yeah, they are not right in the head..
@@einienj3281 Especially when you read the bible and they only SAY the devil does bad things, but none of the descriptions of actions are actually bad. The character that actually does the bad things is god. Everything in that religion is just so messed up.
@@littlebitofhope1489Yup.. it makes no sense.
@@littlebitofhope1489 In a sense, it's better to be a Chaotic Neutral devil with honest intentions than a Lawful Evil god who tries to paint itself as the ultimate good.
I love the term Therapeutic Blasphemy. I did this when I left the Pentecostal Church not knowing what it was. I burned the bible I used during my ex-gay therapy, and I cremated a poppet of my Christian self. This was very healing for me and helped lessen the trauma of my "ex-gay" experience.
I'm in the process of leaving the pentecostal church right now. I put a clip of people at my church speaking in tongues in a rap song that me and a friend made and i had no idea this is what I was experiencing
did you eventually fix these hormonal dysfunction and dysmorphia? good luck
God please have mercy.
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Well, the two forms of "Reparative Therapy" I went through didn't mention hormones or dysmorphia. The Psychological model said I had a wounded idea of masculinity and was identifying too much with the female. The Spiritual model had me undergo fastings, prayer and exorcisms.
@@gweltawenydd6176ah felt that. i was Muslim and was told to pray and fast and read qur'an to simply stop being gay. didn't work! still gay, just now an atheist
As a Christian, I am not concerned about Satanists. The greater evil are those who call themselves and pose as Christians, but are anything but that.
As a Christian buddy you're going to be awful fucking disappointed when you go in the grave and rot and realize you spent you're entire life believing in a false profit whether that be God or Satan in reality how simple minded are human beings to live wasting their entire existence believing such nonsense is the real blasphemy 😂
@@cindytaylor759 And you feel good about that? You seem awfully gleeful about most people going to rot eternally.
@@makarymetzger2627it’s acknowledgement and acceptance. One day we’ll be gone. That’s it.
@@a_plastic_bag And you still think that god is good?
@@makarymetzger2627 I’m an atheist and don’t believe in God. I may have misunderstood your comment.
Therapeutic blasphemy is the term I've been looking for! I practice witchcraft as a way to thumb my nose at the culture I was raised in(on the border of fundamentalist Christianity), and just for fun because I find it fascinating, even though I don't believe in the supernatural or magic at all. I've always mentally kind of compared it with what the Satanic Temple does, but I'm so glad to add the term therapeutic blasphemy to my personal vernacular!
non-supernatural Witchy people, Unite!
As one who worships Cthulhu ironically I can relate to that - even though I don’t really believe in Cthulhu, it’s a fun way to reject the Evangelical/Charismatic beliefs I was raised on while expressing my love of Lovecraft’s cosmic horror stories!
So your spells work, though?
@@kirstencorby8465 Open label placebo! They work at making me feel good. Do they work externally? No. Do they work internally? Yep! Catharsis FTW!
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
I started with Satanism by reading the Satanic bible in 1985 at 15 in a small town in the midwest. It was the first time I read something with religious or spiritual connotations that made sense to me. I was then drawn to TST as it was not the libertarian version of Satanism that the COS is.
It's sad though I live a little more than a mile from where Anton's wonderful Black Victorian used to stand. I drive by and see the the house that was erected and want to knock on the door and ask if the people have any idea of the history of where they live and what their house has blotted out.
The modern day SF denizen has almost zero connection to the counter culture and radical beauty that the city once was---they would probably just say, they got the property for cheap and be proud that the Tech Bro Colonization is complete.
While I appreciate the sentiment, life does go on. Who knows what was there before Anton or the culture of SF. Nothing will be the same because nothing ever could be the same
@@biogopher I agree with some of that. I personally blame our greedy politicians, real estate developers and others. This is not specific to SF. It's a weird phenomena of hyper Gentrification or what I call Class Colonization, The monied people want to live near culture and then their arrival destroys what they wanted to live near.
Can you really have a black victorian as a Satanic HQ(With exception to TST HQ in Salem Mass)in a rural or suburban area in the US without the threat of potential violence? Meanwhile the wealthy and tech bro WFH peeps can live anywhere they choose. Most of our brick and mortar stores are closing because most are WFH and do all their shopping online.
I truly think this class of people feels a huge sense of satisfaction when the last gallery, rehearsal space and smaller venue and counter culture meeting spaces shutter. Another city safe for the most bland and over paid people yet.
@@biogopherI think Jeremy is talking more about acknowledging the history. There are lots of buildings all over the country that are dedicated as landmarks that have some sort of special value due to the history associated with them. Sometimes even just putting up a plaque, there are subtle ways to help the next generations remember significant places and ideas that came before. In fact sometimes they aren't even real. Last summer my Dad went on a motorcycle trip and sent me a photo of him standing next to the white washed picket fence from Huckleberry Finn, which is not actually real, the book is fiction so it's just totally made up, but it still has cultural significance and celebrating that is perfectly acceptable in my view.
With San Francisco's decline as a haven for nonconformity, where is left in the United States that one can fly their freak flag proudly? I too mourn the passing of Emperor Norton's domain.
@@bartolomeothesatyr Portland comes to mind.
I had my own therapeutic blasphemy experience. I've been an atheist my entire life. My parents were raised in religious households and rejected that. But it wasn't until I was in high school that I learned that my parents were both abused and religion was used as an excuse for that.
I had a little pocket Bible that my grandmother had given me when I was about 7. I didn't believe in Christianity, but I kept it because it was a gift. When I found out what she had done to my father when he was a kid, I saw the pocket Bible on my shelf and was furious. So I burnt it. It was very much an active rejection of the Bible and Christianity as a basis for morality.
fuck yeah dude.
Your grandmother wasn't saved and she was using the Bible as an idol.
Christianity does not condone abuse AT ALL. If you listen to what Jesus taught, you'd understand. I am very sorry about your family's suffering, but the blame is not on the Bible or Christianity, it's on the humans who do the horrible things.
I just realized... even YOU used the Bible as an "excuse" for your anger. Why not burn a photo of him? Address him directly? How does burning the Bible in privacy do anything but divert your feelings to IT?
@toeachitsown2050 Burn a photo of whom? Jesus? I wasn't angry at Jesus. Address Jesus directly? I don't believe in an afterlife and I don't have a time machine and I don't speak Aramaic, so that would be difficult.
One thing that should be noted regarding pluralism, and tolerance in general:
A tolerant society is only tolerant if it does not tolerate intolerance. As soon as you accept intolerance, you impact the tolerance of that society. If you accept more extreme acts of intolerance, like the idea of bombings, then you have an extremely intolerant society.
I raise this point because many bastions of intolerance use the outcry against their intolerance to try to sabotage claims of tolerance by those who are acting to oppose various forms of bigotry.
I've recently been introduced to that paradox's name: the paradox of tolerance.
One thing I'm wondering about though, is that by throwing away that theoretical purity in the notion of "tolerance", it then becomes an important question what constitutes "intolerance", such that intolerance of intolerance is allowed and even encouraged. What stops intolerant people from justifying their intolerance by accusing their target of intolerance with intolerance? I think it can and has been used by far-right groups accusing the other side of doing it first.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@n484l3iehugtil Yes, but since the far rght has been supporting systems designed to oppress black people since that system was called "slavery" I think it's hard for any reasonable person to see as a chicken or egg scenario
@@n484l3iehugtil The thing being accused have to be judged in vacuum then.
@@n484l3iehugtil The simple answer is to not view tolerance as a moral imperative, but as a social contract. At its core, tolerance is nothing more or less than the agreement that "I will allow you to live your life as you see fit, as long as it does not cause harm, as long as you agree to allow me to live my life as I see fit, as long as it does not cause harm."
Intolerance is a deliberate refusal to accept those terms- "You must live your life the way that I think you should." Once that happens, the agreement is null and void, and the one who refuses to agree to the terms is not protected by the agreement.
Basically, tolerance is offered as long as it is returned. The instant that another party deliberately chooses not to abide by the terms, no party is obligated to the other. As an example for this video, while I am not a part of TST, they are willing to allow me to live my life as I see fit, and so I am willing to let them live their lives as they see fit. Conversely, fundamentalist Christians are not willing to allow me to live my life as I see fit, and therefore, I am under no obligation to tolerate them unless and until they are willing to meet that basic agreement.
Hope that helps resolve the paradox for you!
I'd like to expand on a concept that was touched on around 25:30. I think Christians interpreting the destruction of the bible differently than the Satanists is rooted in a phenomena that isn't just exclusive to religion but applies more broadly to any ideology that deals with authority in general. Ideologies with an authoritarian bent tend to blame the things they see as problematic in the world on _people_ while more egalitarian ideologies tend to blame problems on _systems._ Just like Christians blame Satanists/secularists/"evolutionists" for the things they think are problems in the world, imperialists blame socialists, Nazis blame Jews, conservatives blame "leftists," the LGBT community, immigrants, etc. etc. On the other hand, Satanists place blame on the institutions and practices of Christianity moreso than individual Christians, socialists and anarchists place blame on systems of oppression like capitalism and imperialism and antifascists place blame on (obviously) fascism, racism and bigotry as a whole.
I think this is where a lot of the misunderstandings about things like destroying a bible representing the destruction of Christian _people_ specifically rather than the symbolic destruction of a tool of an oppressive system comes from. Christians, viewing things from an authoritarian standpoint, just aren't going to be thinking about systems as separate from people. That'd challenge the very concept of sin by allowing for things like violating the commandment against stealing because a corrupt political and economic system forced you to steal food from a despotic oligarch to feed a starving child. The problem is with the corrupt system and not the person doing the stealing, but that's not an acceptable conclusion to draw in Christianity because the commandments come from an absolute authority and have no caveats.
This is an interesting observation which feels correct to me.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
Its sad that so many people are un able to look at things from a different perspective. I think your assessment is fairly on point here and it kinda makes me sad.
@@specilegg People who believe god, Jesus, and the devil are all figments of human imagination aren't going to find that argument persuasive, or even coherent.
@@bartolomeothesatyr Don't bother with this one. He always just cut-and-pastes that one lame-ass comment in nearly every comment thread and never relies to anyone. Guy seems OCD and compelled to do this. It's really sad. I've reported him for spam.
I'm a TST member in my local congregation, and I love the phrasing of "Therapeutic Blasphemy".
I'm ex military, and was raised in a military household. All that said, I practice an annual personal ritual (i.e., not a TST ritual), where I burn a flag and a bible on the 4th of July as a symbolic rejection of all the things they have come to symbolize in our society. It is extremely cathartic for me.
Oh I’m going to start doing this
TST = NAMBLA
@@Chad_Fuckhammerwith how much kiddy diddling that gets done in the Christian church, I think you’re about 100% off base.
@@qxz9p 1. that's an insanely idiotic argument. 2. i don't even go to church. 3. more kids get molested in secular schools by their teachers than in church by clergy 4. collective responsibility for individual offenses is a total chomo view point and 5. f'n blow me
@@Chad_FuckhammerLmao i definitely see the irony in this
My personal therapeutic blasphemy: I refer to Jesus as "Jangus Crisco." It's not actually to offend other people. It's to mentally break free of the indoctrination I was raised with.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg I'm not convinced that either of them exist. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
@@AdamTheJensen Both doesn't exist but if they do, I'd take my chances with that one fighting against the tyrant.
@@AdamTheJensen He never replies to anyone. He's just copy-pasting that one lame-ass comment into every thread. I've reported a bunch of these lazy-ass comments for spam.
@@specileggnah, I don't trust someone named Jangus
I appreciate this content so much! I see some comments stating that GMS posting content on Satanism is making you out to be a TST channel, but I don't agree at all. You have genuinely opened my mind up to the myths of other religions, including Satanism. The fact that Satanists perform acts of blasphemy in order to help them deconstruct sounds very healthy. Living in fear is not living. Thank you for this content!
Yeah, the comments saying that I’m promoting superstition, have become a religious Satanist, or that I’m trying to convert people to Satanism are pretty frustrating. This is clearly educational content like I’ve always made, but it seems even some non-religious people have such knee-jerk reactions to satanic imagery that they make hasty generalizations about me and my motivations. Thank you for the encouragement, and I’m glad you enjoy this content!
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticI'm a atheist satanist. Your putting out good content you sure you're not a satanist. You could tell us you and hope you and your wife convert one day.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiinewhy did you waste your time on pasting this everywhere here. Ik for a fact you searched for videos about Satan so you could fulfill your pretentious ego by pasting this, when you have changed nobody's opinion and probably pushed 100s of people away from Christianity. Nice use of your time
Your Satanism content is superbly intellectually stimulating. This channel just gets better and better.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specileggThat's YOUR religion, maybe just accept that there are other religions instead of spamming this comment.
@@specilegg Jesus is on elm heading west in a blue sedan, moving cars to intercept. Continue to follow Jesus live ammunition has been authorized.
@@specilegg stop being cringe
@@specilegg Have you ever actually took a step back and realized how much power “Satan” has? If God’s so powerful then why does a fallen angel have so much power to corrupt all of creation? It sounds stupid but that’s because it’s an archaic good vs evil mentality that ancient humans used in myths.
The only argument that Satan is evil literally boils down to one singular source which requires a lot of faith. Really scientific there, god.
Yeah except for the fact that I can prove god (by proving the quran to be the word of god)
@@NoOne-wz2ht No, you can not.
@@NoOne-wz2hthow does that work? Let's assume you prove the words to be of God described by them. If he's real, they are real words of a real being. If he's not real they are real words of a fake being. Achieves nothing.
@@andruloni by process of elimination. I can come to the conclusion that there can be no source other than a higher being. (Which is god)
@@Ploskkky yes I can Firstly let's start with the following. The quran has been preserved down to the letter and this can be proven because to this day there is only one quran. If there were mistakes in copying that made it through. Then you would see many versions of the quran like you see with the Bible today. This means that the original message of the quran and the exact words have been the same. Next let's start with the actual proof. Firstly, the literary miracles: the quran has a level of eloquence that makes it so that it can't be replicated in quality. The quran has challenged people to produce a chapter let alone a book like it. (Objective criteria is used) but for 1400+ years. Not even the best arab poets could do it. Next, I'll talk about the scientific miracles, for example it talks about life coming from water or something along those lines. We now know everything is made up of cells. Which are mostly water. Another thing is the prophecies, for example rome being defeated but winning a couple years later. All of these prophecies have come true. All of this evidence leads us to the conclusion that there can be no possible author for the Qur'an other than allah. Muhammad (S.A.W) was an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago. He couldn't have known all this.
I now challenge you to disprove my argument. An "easy" way to do this is to find a mistake or contradiction in the quran or find some other way the quran was created
Therapeutic Blasphemy is really helpful. I grew up Catholic and still get some nasty guilt trips, so my wife came up with Anti-Lent. We didn't give up things, instead, we indulged. We didn't give up meat on Fridays--we got steak and bacon and pork. Giving up sweets for Lent? Nope. Let's bake a cookie cake! It was quite cathartic (and delicious).
Said-wife here. Don't forget the ultimate feast we had: the bacon-wrapped steak!
@@QueArres Yes, our Ash Wednesday feast!
Thanks for demonstrating that you're still chained by your former religious beliefs. Go ahead if it makes you feel good, but call me unimpressed. You'll only be free if you don't care anymore.
@@marknieuweboer8099 Hey, dumbass, what do you think Therapeutic Blasphemy is for? It's a way to help you cope and make you feel good if you are still chained, as you put it.
@@marknieuweboer8099 "You'll only be free if you don't care anymore," yes, that is the idea. For now, these little acts I do are a way of helping me unchain myself little at a time. And it did feel good; the bacon-wrapped steak was delicious!
I'm a satanaist. We are a group who glorify Carlos Santana.
As an atheist I ask:
Is the entire purpose of Satanism merely to troll all other religions? 😂
Yes. Yes it is! 😀
Hail Satan!
Well not all of them. I think Satanism has no beef with Buddhism.
@@trashaimgamer7822 as an atheist, I support trolling
Where a troll is just getting their rocks off by pissing people off, TST uses satire to draw attention to hypocrisy, inconsistency, and other shortcomings that lawmakers and religions tend to impose. Inevitably, those already indoctrinated or making the laws, will be pissed off. Plenty more will see those shortcomings - maybe for the first time, maybe with a new perspective.
tldr: troll bad; satire productive
Frankly in a lot of ways, yes. But it's main purpose is to fight for people's rights to believe (or not believe) in what they want & to prevent the Evangelical takeover that's currently in progress. They *FIRMLY* believe in the Separation of Church & State, & find it offensive & oppressive that Evangelicals insist on putting their religion into everything, with their silly monuments & trying to re-write law to reflect their religious views.
I think for former Christians who have been hurt by the Church it also has the purpose of reassuring oneself that one matters and is worthy of respect and love and not some wretched shameful being that Christianity sometimes teaches that humans are without their God.
I’m all for this content, GMS. I think you should cover more offbrand religions. Especially the one I was raised in: Quakerism. It’s a lot like Satanism in its liberal, not-necessarily theistic worldview that values truth above all. But it’s also got a lot of fascinating history behind it. Worth a video on.
I second this!
That'd be cool. I know nothing about Quakers other than something something about Oats and they founded Pennsylvania. Not sure there's many still around today? But if you were raised in it (I've never met a Quaker) then I'm sure there's more out there than I think.
@@talyahr3302 There really aren’t many. We exist, but we’re quiet anyways and don’t get talked about much. William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania was indeed one of the early Quakers, and also the original face of Quaker Oats.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg If Jesus walks into the sea do not follow.
That guy admitting to being a werewolf is fucking hilarious. Hope that goat is resting in power.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg yeah those are just a bunch of storybook characters. There’s no evidence of of a god.
Lol. The reactions to it. How did he even come up with that? 😂
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiine um no thanks. If you have any evidence I’d be interested but no one has been able to provide any yet.
Loved the werewolf story. He uno-reversed them with his own mind trick. 😂😂😂😂
I absolutely would love documentation on it, that has to be a hilarious read. In my own fictional story demons who do kind acts are cursed by having their mouth and teeth go to almost to their ears making them look more evil and demonic.
Of course they say they get the trait by doing kind acts and if challenged they will simply say how the other person would know because after all they are not the demon.
@@n0etic_f0x"In my own fictional story"
Make sure to add a disclaimer in the prologue where you clarify that it is indeed fiction. You know, just in case some conmen want to base a religion off you stories a few centuries after your death. Not that it will stop them from trying, but at least it might make the counter-apologetics job easier for future generations of skeptics, lol.
@@luchotenks2310 I mean I already use it in TTRPGs and by proxy that’s D&D and by proxy it’s part of the Satanic Panic. So it’s a forgone conclusion.
Start here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiess_of_Kaltenbrun
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
As a person who identifies as a Satanist (but not a member of TST), I adore these videos on Satanism. Beyond refreshing to hear this from an academic perspective.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
If you truly are a Satanist you despise TST because they are not Satanists. They are a political organization that uses Satanism to promote their Woke ideology. I ally gladly with theistic Satanists if they wipe out TST.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiine Talk with muslims about that.
@@Vibiine We don't know if that's true or not, better to be open minded instead believe everything they tell you
As a Satanist and member of TST, thank you for this, truly. Ave satanas 🤘
Ave te Ipsum 🤟🏾
Ave domine inferni
hail Satan!
Hail yourself!
Does TST have meetings? Or is it just the website for most people? I know they have a convention, but I would like to actually meet people and can't find anything.
I really appreciate videos examining this philosophy/theology, as my own parents who aren't even religious seem to even be squeemish when I tell them I'm identifying and associating with Satanism. Your videos on this are extremely well done and put into words what I wish I could explain to them better than I ever could. So thank you.
If I had to guess, I'd say your folks are probably worrying about social backlash more than religious consequences. Identifying as a rebel is not a socially safe thing to do, especially when the group you're rebelling against is fanatical and heavily armed.
Same. My parents can kind of just hear satanism and assume that means like evil and Christian devil worshipping type thing when really I’m not even all that theistic. I’m mostly just completely agnostic in I think it’s a possibility but regardless of what deities may exist I don’t care and it won’t affect the way I live my life at all. So it’s kind of odd being told that like you worship the devil and I have to explain that no I don’t and I don’t worship anyone actually which somehow is even more confusing
Maybe you shouldn’t idolize Satan?
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg do not let Jesus out of your sight he is armed and dangerous.
The catharsis of therapeutic blasphemy as an apostate with religious trauma is *chef’s kiss*🤌
Yup! 😘🤌🏻
Psalm 2: 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
@@jjphank
Uh ok
@@jjphank Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
@@jjphank Nobody cares about your copy pasted fairy tales lul
27:00
THERAPEUTIC BLASPHEMY.
finally i have a term for what i'm actually doing since deconstructing my faith. Thank you for giving me a word for it!!! ❤
Your celebrating blasphemy and falling for it? Ffs repent
When I watch videos like these, I feel at home. Rationality, pluralism and respect.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg Nobody go with Jesus he refuses to play for lunch and always orders the most expensive meal.
@@specilegg I don't really have a problem with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, but the institutions that make dogma out of it. I just don't believe jesus was holy, nor any other prophet. I have 7 commandments that I live by, I will never intentionally cause harm because I believe life is ending.
@@specilegg moreover, Jesus never wrote any part of the bible, it was passed down for at least 20 years, and all the rest that came after, just seems more egregious. but I can get behind the idea of the new testament, probably sounded pretty great at the time
you can't respect and tolerate everything
it's like being completely nihilist and asshole
I was dating someone who is a member of TST for a while, and while I really appreciated the idea and the actual activism that they participate in, I just didn't want to officially join the group. I may never get over the stigma that hearing "Religion" stirs within me, and no matter how many times she tried to explain that they are not a Theistic Religion, I could never grasp that. I still can't, to be honest. To me, without the supernatural part, Religion becomes 100% synonymous with "Club". I understand the concept, and Lucien Greaves might be one of the most charismatic speakers I've ever seen, so I'm proud that I was able to meet some really cool people through TST. Although the last Saturnalia Celebration (for the local chapter, anyway) was... weird. I mean, even for the most progressive minded among us, a few segments were... unsettling. If you're a fellow heathen though, you've gotta appreciate the Motorized Spinning Crucifix that one member built... there's more to it, but I don't want to break any community guidelines by posting that.
Theistic religions can also be likened to a club. It really just depends on what kinds of ideas you load up the word "club" with.
But also like, clubs are great. One thing religious people have over secular people is a higher than average sense of communal belonging. On average, non religious people are more isolated from their broader community and express more feelings of loneliness.
Break the "guidelines". You aren't a member, and they aren't a cult. You just gave them WAY too much power. And from what I know of them, it's not a power that they are interested in.
Some of us do hold supernatural/occult/theistic beliefs in a Satan/Lucifer, or at least love the culture of it, the mythology, theology, and what a Devil represents. However, the TST officially does not identify as theistic, and that's okay. Some of us members do hold slightly different views but we do not go against TST.
@@InfuzeDcyphR Yet. lol
@rainbowkrampus I absolutely agree. I tend to have a pretty broad definition of "Club", partly because so many clubs that I grew up around did have rituals, ideologies, hierarchies (I know TST tries, and mostly succeeds, to be a non-centralized Religion). The only thing that I truly enjoyed when I went to church was that sense of community and belonging. Just so everyone is clear, I wasn't shitting on TST. I actually like the concept. I just want to clarify because I did meet a few members who mistook "I Love what you guys do and what you stand for, but I just don't personally want to officially join." as a personal attack or something. I think that might just have been reflex, as anyone who doesn't know the Seven Tenets might just assume they are literally worshiping "The Devil".
Gotta say, as a recovering Christian i really dig the theraputic blasphemy idea.
Id call myself a spiritual humanist at this point, but the idea of giving the metaphoric finger to things that twisted me so much when i was a kid is powerfully attractive.
you dont find it strange that their blasphemy only targets Christians? Or YOUR blasphemy rather.
@@abundantharmony not particularly.
I can't speak for anybody else, but why would I feel the desire to symbolically refute a religion that I've never had any connection to?
Attractive doesn't mean correct.
@@abundantharmonymaybe because America is a Christian nation for the most part.
If the middle east allowed for freedom like this they’d do the same to the Quran as that’s what their system is based off and so on.
So .. yeah bud.. lol
@@aaronayala894 America isn't a Christian nation at all. A simple look at the blatantly satanic layout of Washington DC will show you that. Dig a little. It's build into the streets. Most of the founding fathers were Deists and esoteric heretics.
Google, "Satanic layout of Washington DC" to find out what the founding fathers were REALLY into.
I have a lot of sadness about the destruction (and natural loss in some cases) of preChristian European spiritual beliefs, practices and cosmology. Satanism helps me to heal that wound a little, as well as my own religious trauma.
Would love to see Arith Harager on here or someone samiliar talking about specific pre Christian European traditions and how to bridge them today
Why? It all comes from the human brain, so there is no more variation in it than in the human brain. It's all the same in it's differences. Just make up your own. That's what everyone else did.
@@littlebitofhope1489history can be fun. No need to be a party pooper.
@@Windowsillopera So can making up your ow religion. And you are the only one pooping on that party.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg You mean the guy who said he was coming with a sword, and to hate your families? Uh, no. God is a proven liar, so you can't believe anything that fictional character says. God as portrayed in the bible deserves more than rebellion.
Great interview! I have always had a lot of time for TST, as a committed atheist from a child it felt like a kinder and often more sensible worldview than the usual religions on offer.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
Full disclosure: I'm not a member of the Satanic Temple. But I like these people! Just read their basic tenets. What can you possibly disagree with about their values as articulated there? I mean, what's not to like?
The scary word "Satan".
@@littlebitofhope1489 When I went to seminary, and learned there that supposedly god massacred somewhere around 2 million people in the bible and Satan killed about 10 people, suddenly Satan didn't seem quite so bad after all.
@@subtle.presence I can't find those 10 people either. But yes, and it was also god who lied, and Satan told the truth. Satan even kept to the rules of the bet in Job.
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
I'm a (kinda?) theistic Satanist - a rare breed, if the words of authority are to be trusted - and my idea of Satanism comes from dialectical thinking: An ideological framework with the symbol or spirit of Satan held in high regard.
What is your opinion on morality?
@@IgnisDaemonicus A social construct, but one we've evolved as a communal mammal. It is therefore quite useful for the members to have a grasp of this as to interface with the community, and form an atmosphere of reality testing and moral framework which benefits the collective.
That being said, I hold my understanding of black-and-white morality in wretched esteem and prefer to look at things relationally on the ground. I like to have an encompassing Yin-Yang view on things, acknowledging my life circumstance and my role in its creation, and feel them feels before they turn into terminal lumbago.
That's interesting. Do you have any sources on theistic satanism that you'd recommend?
@@bubbabruh6309 S. Connolly and Michael W. Ford. Plenty of websites and UA-cam channels too.
You have the same standard as everyone else, so it should be difficult. In order to claim Satan is real, you need real, reliable evidence. There really is no "spirit" of satan in the supernatural sense.
I'm a spiritual Luciferian/Satanist and also a member of TST. They're an awesome group of allies. Thank you for the coverage. Hail Lucifer ✨️ , Ave Satanas 🙌 𖤍 𖤐
Ave Satanas
Ave Satanas
Ave Satanas
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
Ave Satanas, Ave Domini Inferni, my family! ❤
One of the problems I have found when you ridicule another's perspective or belief through a hypothetical spectacle.
They take you seriously, when you in honestly mean the complete opposite. They REFUSE to see this.
They want to believe the worse. They want their beliefs confirmed. They want to feel justified in their hatred, their righteousness.
They believe they stand for good. Nobody else can stand for good unless you believe what they believe.
When your beliefs start showing that you stand for good, this is exactly why they get upset about it. They feel they hold the monopoly on "good" or "Moral".
They will intern paint it as a lie, to re-affirm their view, often with more feverish distain.
I feel that this basically allows Christians to destroy their own values from within, keeping a false belief because it no longer reflects what it was originally.
People will always show you who they are and what they stand for when you criticize what they believe.
What ???
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
As a member of TST, therapeutic blasphemy was honestly one of the most freeing aspects for me personally since my deconstruction from being a fundamental Christian for 20 years.
Love these episodes. I wish I had Dr. Laycock as a professor! His classes would be so fun and fascinating. Loved his books!
I was fortunate enough to take one of his classes at Texas State. 10/10, would recommend
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specileggand I would like to have infinity money , but we need reality
@@specileggwe DON’T need to do anything. If you want to believe in your god, that’s fine but don’t force it upon others.
_"An apology to the Devil- it must be remembered that we have only heard one side of the case. God has written all the books."_
-Samuel Butler
Love this series on satanism. Keep educating us! ❤️
Do what you want & you’ll end up in hell for ignoring God and disobeying his commandments!
@@jjphank the other 600+ religions have something to say about them commandments... Guess we'll have to wait and see who's right! :-)
@@jjphankawwww poor Christian thinks we give a crap about their imaginary father, how cute 😏
@@that_viewerguy gods left plenty of evidence, The god of to the Bible, all the other religions are cartoon religions!
Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter!
The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin!
First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained;, The first two laws of thermodynamics!
So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here!
DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“.
John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“
Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job!
3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing!
The Bible Predicted telecommunications
@@Sean20245 i’m on here trying to save poor, ignorant souls like yourself, From going to eternal hell!
Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter!
The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin!
First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained;, The first two laws of thermodynamics!
So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here!
DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“.
John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“
Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job!
3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing!
The Bible Predicted telecommunications
Drew, this was an excellent episode. Kudos to you and the doctor!👍👍👍
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
I love it when non-Christians out-Christ-like the American Evangelical crowd.
It's because they are the true satanists
Humans can live without myth. Its ok to be at peace with that.
They absolutely can, but it's also fun and interesting to live with one. The problems come when people aren't self aware enough to realize that's what they're doing.
But why? And when have we ever lived without myth? That has never happened.
Human beings literally cannot live without myths nor is God a myth remember, myths are things we build to explain things to people who cannot understand them, yet the people who make the myth usually understand the concept of the myth more than the other people, and are trying to translate that understanding to them.
@@KadandEve all you are saying is that you cannot live without myth. Many of us do just fine without fantasy and myth.
@@top_gallant I am telling you that human beings literally cannot live without myths. This is not even something that is unknown. This is just a fact we make a myth literally about almost everything we come across that we can’t understand to help us connect that concept to something we do understand. In modern times, some people don’t call them myths anymore they/we call them, stories, testimonies, theories, assertions, or claims.
The TV shows we watch with the characters and archetypes, climaxes and arcs that help portray certain facets of society, the testimony is that one person has of another person that they know that they are telling someone else as a cautionary tale, or to further help drive a point home, or our theories and assertions that use other facets of that field of study, that we already do understand to help fill the gaps between what we don’t using similarities, similes and metaphors. You literally need myths to help see how you should, can, are interacting with the world.
I am asking you to check this prideful urge you felt to try to attack me and make me seem different from you, because we are all the same .
''Satanism expert'' is such a cool job description.
Even unemployment would be cool. I can only imagine going into unemployment, and the bureau person asks ''Ok, so what was you last profession, maybe we can find something similar'', and you reply ''Yeh, satanism expert''.
Thats a story i wanna see. When this happens in america ( i dunno how unemployment there works at all, as might be apparent right now ) i can only imagine they will be like ''Oh.. Oh, i see here they are looking for those in sweden'' or something.
Pick Pockets Sir❤❤❤
The Pluralism he's talking about made me think of ancient Greece. There was the Greek Pantheon with Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Ares, Hades, etc. But there were different temples and orders devoted to the various gods, but as far as I'm aware there wasn't generally dismissive or disrespectful attitude if one didn't follow your preferred god; it wasn't like you would deny the other's existence, rather you just had reasons to prefer your chosen god. That was a kind of pluralism, if under a large umbrella of the pantheon in general.
Of course, I don't know just how prevalent the belief in the pantheon actually was, nor how respectful people were generally, so maybe I'm wrong about my impression.
When Christianity chose to turn their back on homosexuality there became a need for another form of beliefs where homosexuality was accepted. Religion has been the cause of wars since the beginning . Everyone deserves to be accepted and loved in this life.
Rome was always at war and they never needed a religion. Same with America. The homosexuality thing is basically true but a lot of straight people just hate homosexuality. I would say the main cause of war is the lack of consensus on who should be the authority. India and thibet never go to war so the religious motive is easily debunked by real religions. In case you are wondering god is the authority and any time you want to go find god and obey you can. Til then you will live in a world where might makes right and people will threaten you with torture to make you obey. Satanists try to replace god with morality, but there will always be conflicts. Atheists try to replace god with science but science cant solve the issue of who should rule either. Hitlers, trumps and ghenghis khans abound in history.
very interesting, as a Theravada Buddhist I too have a non supernaturalist religion
2:00 Confucianism, considered one of the World's great religions, is entirely non-supernatural. When asked questions about God, Confucius' standard answer was, that he had enough difficulty figuring out the proper relationships among men, let alone being able to determine anything about God. Confucianism is an ethical philosophy that provides the rules of behavior that bring about a harmonious society.
Daoism is better than Confucianism.
Great interview! So much good stuff was brought up here. I will read the book and i hope that he can be a regular guest here. He was great the last time you had him on a well.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
Have you ever heard of the band ghost? My parents would never let me listen to them because of their satanic themes… I fucking love their music tho so I could care less. I think it would be cool if you made a video analyzing some of their lyrics and the deeper meaning, just a suggestion though😊
Ghost is my wife Taylor’s favorite band! She’s actually working on a video about them for her channel, the Antibot.
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic that’s awesome! I’ll make sure to check her out! Much love🫶🫶
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticfreaking awesome. Can't wait to see her video.
Love you
@@specilegg WOW! A comment that isn't a stupid cut-and-paste of the same thing!
Thank you, for bringing stuff like this to light. Just because we call ourselves Satanists doesn’t make us mass-murdering monsters hell-bent on world domination. If anything, that kinda sums up Christianity’s past when you think about it 🤷♂️
It may be true that not all Satanist are evil but what is 100% true is that a large faction of Satanists do partake in gang stalking Christians. MS13 and CIA are a part of it. I know because I was part of it. Really evil sinister stuff.
Bro, imagine being named JOSEPH P.LAYCOCK 💀💀💀
I mean I'd play with his c... 😂 Also "Satan's frog" 😂❤
Hey, just finished Speak of the Devil based on your recommendation here and I second your recommendation. It's an eye opening and fascinating read.
Even when I was religious, everyone thought I was a satanist, now, im like why not 😅
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg didn’t you people kill Jesus?
@@specileggI'm sure spamming every comment with this over and over again will most definitely cause them to convert immediately and they will absolutely not think you are an annoying child plucked straight from kids church.
Go with Jesus he died on the cross for us.
@@karol1982r no he died on the cross cus you all put him on the cross as you Christians do to everyone else
I was passively listening to this while working, and suddenly I hear (without context): "And so this van of bondage babies sort of opens up, and they spill out, and someone begins spray-painting one of them gold and worshipping them, like an idol..."
I think I need to start this video over.
That baby-worshipping counter protest sounds hilarious and brilliant. I hope there are videos and pics of that event.
Grateful I found this channel and stumbled onto this video. Very interesting discussion.
I'm really enjoying these talks you're having with Jim Halpert. Glad he made it out of sales
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
Oh my I only realized the guy really looks like Jim after your comment. Good one
You definitively got right on the point on the appropriation part. I got called satanist by Christians the instant I started to question it. "If that is what you WANT me to be, then so I will become one!" was the narrative in my head. Been a proud member of TST for a couple of years now, even though I still live outside of the US, but if my life goes according to my plans I will make that move and be able to take a more active and physical part in the Salem chapter.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg hahah golden comment! You do realize 1 your entire comment i futile as f**k 2 only proves OUR point? hahha anyhow thanks for the laugh AVE SATANA to you too
I was in the Air Force in South Korea in the mid '80's, we had one Church of Satan Chaplain. He was written up for hanging the cross up-side-down because of a safety issue rather than religious reasons.
Singing Come Out Ye Black And Tans next to a police station was my therapeutic blasphemy lol
Gotta follow Jesus, take care of your heart
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiine he did not exist.
Aaron Rodgers is truly a renaissance man. Football quarterback and religious scholar. Amazing. Great talk Aaron!
I love the "follow Jesus" spams in the comments. Perfect executed example of culture jamming.!
Very enjoyable interview, thank~you!
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
0:00 Intro
1:46 Non-Supernaturalist Religion
5:09 Religious Pluralism
9:40 Cultural Jamming
15:44 Appropriating the Discourse of Evil
19:33 Counter Myth
25:18 Therapeutic Blasphemy
30:24 Outro
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
This needs to be pinned.
@@specilegg Kill Jesus, fuck Slaanesh, marry Anubis.
@@specileggthen go with Jesus. Stop making such a fuss about it.
Drew and Dr. L out here spreading the good word 👍
I once was in a religion class. I asked the teacher what she thought about satanists. She dodged the question but i think it was clear that she doesn't like satanists
Let me answer that question for you... Satanists usually don't believe in God or a satan and that is a LIE that satan puts into their head. And that's why religious people don't like to answer that question. To not offend anyone
Regardless of what this video is trying to manipulate you into thinking you should not like Satanist if you read dear cure principles, they literally try to inspire you to be selfish, destructive and disregardant of other people
The ex-Muslim support link is outdated… it works if you remove the join-us part at the end…FYI
This was awesome! I thought I knew a lot about Satanism, but boy was I wrong! One thing to keep in mind about LaVeyan Satanism is the Satanic Bible is full of literal gibberish and "spells", even though Anton claimed to never believe in them. There's some good nuggets of wisdom in there, but the man shouldn't be revered. He was a con man, (and not too kind toward animals) and was definitely a product of his time. I got more out of The Satanic Witch, which is basically a spooky self-help book for women. Keep on making awesome content! 🤟 I'm adding "Speak of the Devil" to my wishlist for sure :3
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
I love the gibberish tho. Its so fun and interesting when we don't believe in it. True for any religion.
When I was about 8 I finally realized that little voice in my head when I asked "God" questions was really just my conscious, ever since I've never had divine assurance equivalently known as deep psychological delusion
It is harder to break away from the more vulnerable you are.
Wow , remarkable, go bootlick those who you steal from , please .."Know?" , you read some words now you know ?? Amazing .
It is nice to have an impartial expert comment on Boston, not TST nor Christian. I've often noticed therapeutic blasphemy among ex Christians, I called it the detox or the purge.
oh hey, joseph laycock pops up again! i only just started reading _dangerous games_ about the moral panic over d&d in the 80s. great book so far.
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
@@specilegg Man, you *really* have a problem, don'tcha?
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@VibiineHuman sacrifice?
I've been calling myself a satanist, but I don't want to be like Christians so I want to research my own religion.
Therapeutic blasphemy. Thank you. Now I finally understand what I've been doing.
Its crazy to me there are people in the comments of THIS VIDEO that still think satanists literally worship the devil. Just came her to spam post some verse without watching the video.
I am actually watching the video all the way through and yes, Satan is literally do worship the devil. Religion has fucked our minds beyond compare that not only do we not know what the devil is, but we think that these two concepts are somehow separated
@@KadandEve the satanic temple do not literally worship the devil. There are actual devil worshippers out the but the whole point of the satanic temple is using the imagery to mock christianity for its centuries of oppression and believing that you're your own god and create your own destiny
The devil is literally just supposed to be the archetype of the prideful intellect that is a contrarian to the peace in a society,is an adversary or instigator of conflict instead of a resolver. Satanism literally tells you to do the thing and be OK with doing the things that will make you more like the archetype of the devil. A.k.a. prideful beyond all repair, believing that they know better than anyone else that dares oppose them, and are willing to instigate, cause drama attack and belittle that person.
Satanists are good at playing semantics just like any human being in any field of study or “religion” that is trying to monopolize power for themselves while also manipulating the people who don’t know much about it. If you go back and look at their original beliefs and then you start following how they changed it overtime even if you start in modern times you can see within 10 to 20 years. They have been less open in the forefront with what they believe. And
It used to be, “Satan wasn’t the bad guy. He was actually the good guy and you should believe in him.” Then it became “God and Satan aren’t real. God was just a tool used to manipulate people into not doing the things that Satan did”, which were actually good things.
When in actuality, if you are doing good things you are a follower of God it says so in the Bible if you’re doing bad things you are a follower of the devil. It’s so clear that it’s not a matter of a label that you give to yourself or you give to someone else, but what’s in your heart.
@King.Ambrose the satanic temple has never believed God or the devil are real, physical beings. Just like the church of Satan they belive individualism and religious freedom, and one of the things they most often speak out against is the blatant disregard for separation of church and state in the US. You're thinking of devil worshippers because you're talking like these organizations have been around for centuries but the satanic temple is only a couple decades old and Anton Lavey started the church of Satan in the late 60s, early 70s. These aren't ancient religions.
4:30 it is very Western. In Japan, they’re said to “be born Shinto, marry Christian and die Buddhist.”
Meaning they have Shinto birth and childhood traditions (as Japan started out Shinto), Christian weddings (they’re way cheaper than Shinto) and Buddhist funerals (death is considered unclean in Shinto, but natural in Buddhism). There’s no contradiction there.
Likewise, in the Journey to the West, the Confucian Jade Emperor of Heaven has a Taoist sage on the payroll, and when neither of them can stop the rampaging Monkey King, they appeal to the Buddha…who traps Monkey under a mountain for 500 years no sweat. The author was Buddhist, but didn’t deny the other gods existed. They just weren’t as cool.
It’s also a very modern notion in the west. Before that, the default assumption was that either every god everywhere was real, or that it was the same pantheon under different names. Egypt, Greece, and Babylon swapped gods like crazy, while the Romans claimed every deity was the same core group under different names. So Mercury was Hermes, Thoth, and Odin. Jupiter was Zeus, Amun and Thor.
Christianity was a huge threat to Rome because it couldn’t just add Jesus to the pantheon (although several cultures, like Japan and the early medieval Norse did just that). Belief in the one god meant you couldn’t also pay homage to the gods of the state or the divine emperor. Plus, they preached the impending end of the world (many thought the Great Fire of Rome was judgement day) which was even more destabilizing.
Note that Judaism didn’t pose the same threat-it was already ancient by the time of Rome, so it got by on a grandfather clause-and it was very insular. They didn’t proselytize to other citizens, or make grand self-sacrificing martyr displays.
I wish to live a peaceful life, coexisting with my loved ones and strangers alike. The TST has helped to point me in the right direction. They don’t demand anything from me, and I don’t demand anything from them. Satanism is a belief system of compassion and support.
Negativland and DaDa in one video clip! Two of my favourite things
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
@@specilegg How does your reponse relate to either Negativland or DaDa?
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
is true religious pluralism even possible as long as religions that claim to be the “one true religion” exist?
Yes, if there is separation of religion and state.
he does say that true religious pluralism is having people be happy that they live in a place with a lot of religious variety. while i agree that religious freedom is needed for pluralism, being happy about it seems impossible with people who think anyone that disagrees with them go to hell. I would love to see that though.
Is political pluralism possible when one ideology says it's the one correct view?
Loved this convo.
God would stand above you as a tyrant. Satan stands beside you as an equal. God would have you change who you are to fit what he wants. Satan loves you for you.
God is an absentee father, Satan is your loving brother. Who would you follow?
Neither.
@@whydoiplaygames8126understandable
"Loving" yeah no he wants to mislead you that doesn't sound loving to me
I’ll take Cthulhu personally, but Satan is a good alternative…
This is unironicly my belief system. I'm in a pagan group that worships Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian deities, but if that doesn't work out for me for whatever reason, I got Satan on bench lol
I wish we could get a documentary of this book
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus.
@@specilegg I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I appreciate terrorist threats.
"The Devil" is in rebellion against an evil liar (It was Yahweh who told the first lie in the bible). We do not need to follow anyone who uses genocide as a means to problem solving, or who uses terrorism as a negotiating tactic. If rejecting genocide, slavery, and terrorism makes me evil in your book, then so be it. Better to rebel against such a god, than to serve such wickedness.
@@alananimus9145 I wouldn't bother. This guy just cut-and-pastes the same spammy comment over and over and over into nearly every thread. It's a waste of time to try to engage him.
@@DrachenGothik666 so you are saying report him for Spam?
@@alananimus9145yes, he said he already did that under another comment
Therapeutic blasphemy is one of the most healing things I found for myself.
I'm a Luciferian today although I started as a modern day satanist and it really helped me to take back my power from years of controlling in catholic church. You know those things they tell you; that you are incomplete without jesus, that you are nothing without god and he's the one who actually decides for you while you think you had thoughts, plans... It really helped me to let all of that go and be eternally thankful that I'm out of that crap.
The werewolf story was amazing!
That one certainly had *me* grinning. That guy was a total *boss.* Smart tactic to save his own life like that.
Jesus loves you! He died on the cross for your sins and was willing to forgive you of your sins if you accept the forgiveness that he had to offer for you! He was beaten, mocked and hung on a cross so you can be washed clean from your sins and experience everlasting life ❤ Jesus loves you, please turn to him ❤
@@Vibiine how would you like it if a random Muslim started telling you to follow Muhammad?
I personally always define religion as the glorification or deification of an idea. I do think some element of a god of sorts is involved at all times, just that what constitutes as a god isn't always clear. For example, I would say, the most practiced religion is, without question, that of money. Money is an idea, it's very much man-made. Money isn't coins or paper, nor is it numbers on a screen or data on a server. People with power decide the value of money, but those people only remain in power as long as they have enough money. Money has all the elements of a god, it has near absolute power, yet it doesn't have a consciousness. Very few of us question the power money has, but what is it really? You can say that despite of its power, it isn't anything physical or even metaphysical. All of its power is given by its believers. Without believers, it would cease to exist entirely.
Anything that can be described in a similar way, is a god. The practice of granting power to such a concept, is religion. All religions have that same thing in common, that all the power it has, comes from those who believe in it.
Fascinating discussion on many significant levels and in many aspects (philosophically, theologically, politically, sociologically, etc.). Wow, thank you for such interesting things to think about and discuss with others.
If Aliens invaded and forced us to worship “Zorg the embraced” enough time would pass when worshiping Zorg would be the norm and people would think Jesus is bad. Just look at the green gods. Religion is a trend of the area and times.
This guy was great - more please
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
@@specilegg did you… listen to any of the conversation?
I’m not sure how anyone could think that’s even a relevant or cogent statement for this conversation.
@@specileggThey don't believe in the devil. Didn't you listen? But even if they did. Rebelling against an evil dictator is not that bad.
My ex neighbor was a Christian and he knew I was an atheist but it never came between us. He never tried to convert me or judged me. We became really good friends and he and his wife were always caring to me and my family. We liked the same things like the same art, comics, movies and music. Anyways, he taught me that there are people out there that are really cool. I moved away from him but we keep in touch and go out for beers once in awhile. I did ask him if it bothered him that I was an atheist. He just said that if I believe that than whose to say that's not the truth? He said there's no reason why he would ever ask or debate me on it since it's a very personal decision and should be kept that. I never brought it up again since I agree with him 100%
In Texas, Football meets most of the common criteria for being a religion...
If they are no-theistic or theistic Satanist they are still pretty cool, Blessed Be.
“Satan” comes from the Bible, genius! So it truly cannot be anti-theistic therefore, you’re making up a Satan in your own mind; it’s a made up Satanism!
Satan has a lot of people fooled, including you if you’re not a Christian !
I didn't seek this out specifically. Loved hearing a break down of Negativland and cut-up music
As an atheist studying satanism, there aren't types of satanism. This is a myth born of a lack of understanding. Prior to 1966, no religion existed that called itself, Satanism.
What now tries to brand itself as spiritual or theistic satanism is devil worship. It's people who believe the Christian fables and choose to worship the losing side in that belief system. The term, satanism, was a prejorative, an accusation, mostly levied by the church, against those that they decried as enemies.
Anton LaVey created what is specifically Satanism (which is a non-theistic religion of the self) with the creation of the Church of Satan (as no prior religion identified this way). They're atheists who see Satan as a literary figure that best represents them. They have numerous books on the topic, and plenty of information on their website.
Satanism is apolitical. Satanists come in literally every political stripe, and never does the religion take part in political actvism. If an individual Satanist holds a view strongly enough, he, she, or they may (and do) take whatever lawful action that they feel is necessary without forgetting the highest law, self-preservation.
TST's antics are humorous on the surface but ultimately self-defeating. Let's go put up religious monuments on government grounds to challenge religious monuments on government grounds! It's a joke that wears the name of satanism, which anyone who bothers to dig and do their own reading can see for themselves.
I could go on about how they're (TST) a PAC masquerading as a religion, but the main takeaway is that no, none of these other groups were ever self-described as Satanism. The other groups are dark Christians who worship the devil, or PACs playing at being Satanists without knowing what Satanism is. The fact that this self-deacribed "expert" calls these other groups Satanists calls his supposed expertise into question.
"If Christians can do terrible things in the name of Christ, I can do beautiful things in the name of Satan." - Unnamable TST Member, at rally. Testify! Testify!
Why do you need to be something? What makes you so special? What if we are nothing but live itself? Wish you all the best ❤
What I hear at the end of each video:
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I'm familiar with Anton Lavey Satanism, but it's interesting to see how it's morphed or evolved I guess since then. Anyway, I always thought Lavey took the name for it's meaning "adversary," and basically to piss off the people he was being adversarial towards. As someone who has been atheist all my life, being a teen in the late 70's into the 80's, his philosophy/religion, (I thought of it as a philosophy) was interesting to be sure. A lot good principals in there and a lot of mockery of well deserved concepts that needed to be mocked. Though, I remember thinking when I first read it, this is like Aleister Crowley and Ayn Rand had a love child. 😏
Repent and turn to Jesus!
@@karol1982r Repent from your indoctrinated ways and turn to critical thinking!
The fact Dr Joseph is more sober, coherent and logical than most Christians out there
Now i have to read this book! This is phenomenal
It's awesome, worth it. And he's not afraid to touch on the tough stuff like Lucien's infamous podcast message lol
We need to follow Jesus, the devil is in rebellion against God and if we side with him we will be going with him. I want to Go with jesus
@@specilegg no one asked and no one cares.
@@specilegg I actually tend to prefer the romantic literature about Satan, depicting God more as a tyrant and Satan as his heroic rival. I find it far more relatable than the traditional view of their relationship