I’m producing an online course with Dr. Joseph Laycock on horror, film, satan, and American religion! Sign up for “Scaring the Hell Into America” with Dr. Joseph Laycock: www.eventbrite.com/e/online-course-scaring-the-hell-into-america-with-dr-joseph-laycock-tickets-1021374387287?utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-medium=discovery&utm-term=listing&utm-source=cp&aff=ebdsshcopyurl
It is one of the best books I had ever read at the time. I was a teenager in Alabama during the infamous “Satanic Panic” era. I was also a very nerdy and rebellious teenager who had actually read almost everything about all theology by the time I was 13. I was labeled as so many ridiculous things by people who had ZERO clue what any of these books actually said. Most of my friends knew the deal and the kids that didn’t could easily be gotten rid of by simply playing “Stairway To Heaven”. They were convinced that it was subliminally inviting the devil into their lives or some shit.
I like you dude. Your carried the torch, and as a result the burdens lighter for me and others. Its getting better for us. Justice is slaying peace, day by day. Once people stop mistreating eachother...well...next up. Systematic improvment
@@jenniferlee5466 Honesty, I started with the Apocrypha which is a collection of many omitted Bible Books, and then move on to the more obscure, less known books that were not included in the Apocrypha. You are at a far greater advantage than I was as a kid because you have the benefit of a supercomputer in your pocket. The information is right there at your fingertips. I am so excited for the journey you are about to embark on. ☺
The Satanic Temple has 7 tenets: I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
"The Revolt of the Angels" has had a significant cultural influence, particularly in French literature and philosophy. It is considered one of Anatole France's most important works and a masterpiece of French literature. The novel's exploration of free will and rebellion against authority has resonated with many readers and has been seen as a precursor to existentialist and surrealist thought. Its critiques of traditional institutions and values, such as religion and politics, have also been influential in shaping modernist and postmodernist literature. In addition to its literary influence, "The Revolt of the Angels" has also inspired other forms of art, including music, theater, and film. For example, the French composer Florent Schmitt wrote an opera based on the novel, and the American filmmaker D.W. Griffith adapted it into a silent film in 1918.
Its still Christian monotheism just turned on its head. Demons are not Fallen Angles and they are not the evil spirits of the Hebrew Bible! "Daimon or Daemon (Ancient Greek: δαίμων, "god", "godlike", "power", "fate")[1][2] originally referred to a lesser deity or guiding spirit such as the daimons of ancient Greek religion and mythology and of later Hellenistic religion and philosophy.[3] The word is derived from Proto-Indo-European daimon "provider, divider (of fortunes or destinies)," from the root *da- "to divide".[4] Daimons were possibly seen as the souls of men of the golden age acting as tutelary deities, according to entry δαίμων at Liddell & Scott.[5] See also daimonic: a religious, philosophical, literary and psychological concept. Daimons are lesser divinities or spirits, often personifications of abstract concepts, beings of the same nature as both mortals and deities, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature, or the deities themselves (see Plato's Symposium). According to Hesiod's myth, "great and powerful figures were to be honoured after death as a daimon…"[6] A daimon is not so much a type of quasi-divine being, according to Burkert, but rather a non-personified "peculiar mode" of their activity.[citation needed] In Hesiod's Theogony, Phaëton becomes an incorporeal daimon or a divine spirit,[7] but, for example, the ills released by Pandora are deadly deities, keres, not daimones.[6] From Hesiod also, the people of the Golden Age were transformed into daimones by the will of Zeus, to serve mortals benevolently as their guardian spirits; "good beings who dispense riches…[nevertheless], they remain invisible, known only by their acts".[8] The daimones of venerated heroes were localized by the construction of shrines, so as not to wander restlessly, and were believed to confer protection and good fortune on those offering their respects.[6] One tradition of Greek thought, which found agreement in the mind of Plato, was of a daimon which existed within a person from their birth, and that each individual was obtained by a singular daimon prior to their birth by way of lot.[6] In the Old Testament, evil spirits appear in the book of Judges and in Kings. In the Septuagint, made for the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, the Greek ángelos (ἄγγελος, "messenger") translates the Hebrew word mal'ak, while daimónion (δαιμόνιον; pl. daimónia (δαιμόνια)), which carries the meaning of a natural spirit[citation needed] that is less than divine (see supernatural), translates the Hebrew word shedim as well as the word se'irim in some verses and words for idols (foreign deities), and describes the being Asmodeus in the Book of Tobit.[9] The use of daimōn in the New Testament's original Greek text caused the Greek word to be applied to the Judeo-Christian concept of an evil spirit by the early second century AD."
It would be interesting to have a metal band named "Ialdabaoth" and to have each album centered around the revolt of the angels and the messages there in. Also thought it would be cool to have a song that implements the 7 tenets of TST into one of the songs but sung in Latin for that extra flare.
A stronger rebellion against Christianity would be to bypass it by not even acknowledging it through embracing what it opposes. Embracing Satan acknowledges the power of "god". Embracing older/different ways, erasing and ignoring Christianity is a stronger way to embrace the "satanic" ideal. True liberation is erasing "god" and "satan".
Love the message in the passage. It flows back to a simple point. Power Corrupts, and absolute power Corrupts absolutely. Satan for saw his own corruption into becoming what he hated, and saw it was not wise to persue that path.
It's even more than that. As Frank Herbert said so well, "Power ATTRACTS the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible". It seems like a small difference until you think about it for a minute.
I joined the TST when I saw them challenging laws passed by the religious Right. I am an atheist, and I'm all for people practicing Their faith, but when religious people use their faith to dictate legislation, that's where I draw the line. That's what drew me to them, they also have great humanist values.
As a Catholic, I agree. The law of the Lord is to be followed individually, applied in our individual lives. Not to force everyone else to live by our rules, that's tyranny. The best we can do is spread the word and show you the love of Jesus as closely as we can.
@@ChefBussy To say authoritatively that the law of the Lord is to be followed individually is kinda right and wrong. The commandments are an interesting way in which the Lord's law is our law.
You are part of the TST? I just decided to look into the TST and one of the claims they make is that life does not begin at conception. Do you agree with this statement and why or why not?
@@flyingray7879 if life does not begin at conception .... of what need is conception for life? go ask a TST tard that question ...get ready for hilarity ....
the idea in the text that the demons take the form of ancient Gods is actually pretty cool. it kinda mirrors the way that the demons in Christian mythology are almost all direct references to old Gods, repurposed as the villains
If you ask my old church, the demons still masquerade as gods including old pantheons and newer entities like Allah. It's definitely an old but living tradition
@@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm interesting view from your old church, especially considering that allah is supposedly the same yahweh in judaism and christianity who has simply revealed his final guidance
@@bobbirdsong6825 as we saw in this video, there are many: that god is a liar demon taking my name The core of Christianity is the belief that Christ is the son of God and salvation is only through Him, while Islam explicitly says this is false and that Christ was just a prophet (very important but no more than that) We multiply small differences with the perceived infinitude of God and we get literal hatred even between confessions of the same religion.
@@dontthrow6064 That's what happens when spirituality is used by exploitative control freaks and politicians... lets face it if there ever was a demonic creation ruining mankind... it's American Capitalism.
And THIS is why I'm a Patron. I would never have sought out this book on my own. Just downloaded it to my Kindle. Thanks for broadening my thinking once again, Drew.
Same, same and same. This book seemed super interesting and I put it _immediately_ on my "to-read" list - and being as short as it is, will likely end up being the very next one I'll read.
I've downloaded the E-Pub from Project Gutenberg and have opened the HTML version. I have 2 more books of a series I'm reading to finish first but am going to look at reading this one.
I saw this when i was a Pentecostal Christian. I had questions over the bible and had a feeling i couldn't put into words that the faith was a force towards a more bigoted, suspicious person. I got a job at a Christian organisation, and my supervisor turned out to be for me the caricature of how religion makes someone a self rightous, judgmental hypocrite. She would go on about how she knew how to rearly pray and how "God is god of order", she used to to justify continually micromanaging and slandering me to the CEO. I went to the CEO and my church pastor very unhappy and they both emphasised submitting to authority. I then caught both the supervisor and CEO lying, to each other, and to me when i raised it. Again i couldn't express it coherently but i knew i couldn't be a person in this organisation or church.
Good for you !!!! Pentecostals are just like the rest of them !!! Telling you how to think and charging loads of money for it !!!! The first Fool was the Believer who met a Con Man, and it Spread all over the World !!!! All Religions are a load of Garbage, the Secret is to Find out the Truth about Reality. And nobody really knows anything at all about it !!!!! Scientists are probing into it, but it's far more Complicated than any human knows about !!!!
Hey man, I hope you understand that this women if she had treated you wrongly did not abide by the Lord's commandment for loving your neighbor as yourself. This is not God's way to berate, lie, abuse, and ignore you nor is it how God is described in the Bible. The church is just a congregation of like-minded individuals and if they are not following the Lord's commandments then I would argue they A) Need to re-evaluate or B) Are not Christian, C) A combo of aren't a Christian and use the Church for power(power corrupts). I urge you to look deeper and stray away from Churchs who do not have the values of the Lord, and I know this might suck but you might have to read the Bible to see what exactly I mean. I have had plenty of friends who have been turned away from Christ because of the Church and I once again want you to know that is not God. He loves you so very much to the point its incomprehensible, your fellow neighbor may not have the same love for you, that is in our nature, we are humans, in-perfectible in nature. It is best to adhere to the laws of the Lord as best we can to attain as close to a "perfect" nature as possible. I promise that what the Jesus teaches is about as close to non-judgemental as it gets, we are called to love one another regardless of job or struggles with sin. I myself have sinned many times and will sin more, but I made a promise to the Lord that I will try to do better and reduce the amount of sin in my life. I am willing to answer or talk about anything you would like, I will be praying for you(if it means anything)
Agreed. Humans do live in communities, though Church gave us that community. We now need new communities. Yes, we must be careful about power. It's unfortunately addictive, and it's taking humanity thousands of years to pull away from it.
Which is why the vast majority of people are stupid. What would you do in the face of something you deem so detestable that absolutely nothing could possibly show its not what you believe, yet data fails to prove your position valid and may even show good is served? While obviously not all accept, the fact that it's part of primary discourse shows we've been successful with things like gays, blacks, drugs, and more. So what other information exists we refuse as even too despicable to mention?
A friend of mine once showed me some church of satan documents, including a 10 commendments of sorts. The satanic commandments made as much sense, sometimes more sense, than the christian version. I get what you are saying about the ability of their lore to be more potent to a modern audience. Then I remember that it's a fantasy, and like all good literature I can pick and pull a few good life lessons/nuggets of wisdom from the text.
Just so you are aware that the church of satan is not the satanic temple. The satanic temple doesnt agree with the church of satan, and the satanic temple doesnt have a bible, nor 10 commandments
Do you mean the Church of Satan, a generally defunct, dead religion... Or the Satanic Temple, the currently-active-and-relevant religion spoken about in this video? They're two extremely different things, so it's extremely important you direct comments in the right direction
For the record, there is a _very_ distinct difference between The Satanic Temple and The Church of Satan, the latter being the sort mentioned at the end of the video that should be told to "f off". With my "akshually" out of the way... Agreed, they're easily the most pragmatic religious tenets I've read, but even card carrying members would tell you not to adhere to them with righteous conviction. It's a general guide we can all adapt to our individual needs, like the original intent of most religions imo. I'm a tenet-sampler myself. I think most religions have a lot of valuable ideas, but none of them should be taken to the extremes we've seen for centuries.
This is actually fascinating. I'm an episcopalian, but I really enjoy your videos and find them very informative and interesting. I may not agree with everything you talk about but It's important to learn about a variety of beliefs and viewpoints so that we can understand each other better. Keep up the good work!
Ok, I’m hooked. Definitely gonna read this. Please be careful not to conflate TST and Satanism as a whole. They’re not the only Satanists, and not the only humanist Satanists. (I really like TST, btw. Just want to be clear.)
@@scottdavis3571 I have heard that as well, and definitely want nothing to do with that. They're not the only other sect of Satanism, and I really don't know any others besides TST that I would recommend.
This was so interesting and enlightening! I've been a practicing Witch for 48 years, and only recently "came out " 2 years ago at age 60, for that very reason: I didn't want people to be afraid of me, or to think I was mentally incompetent. I am overjoyed at the acceptance, tolerance, and more often than not, interest I am met with! This could never have happened 30 years ago. We truly are evolving!
You’re awesome and you remind of my grandma. I’m older now but she used to tell me she was a witch and that it skipped a generation so I was a witch too. I try to live the life she’d be proud of me being the happiest.
I joined the Army Infantry in 05 as a still somewhat practicing Mormon. In bootcamp to duty stations and all the way to Iraq 2007 I served with my Army brother who was a Satatinist. We maybe brought up religion/Faith maybe one time. Outside of that, are bond was as strong as Iron. He would occasionally yell out a "Hail Satan" to me and I would respond with a smile. Sadly, in April 2007, my Brother in Satan was killed by a sniper we were hunting. And the last I seen of him was carrying his lifeless body to the Black Hawk to give the "Final Salute". But he is from Los Angeles like I am so I am able to go visit him.I stopped going to church after the war. Recently all these years later and admitting myself to PTSD treatment at the VA, supernatural events started to occur so I took to the solitude of the woods for prayer as I found myself looking to Jesus saying "I am trying Lord, but why does my heart love my Brother in Satan more than it loves your Angels?" And a voice responded saying " John chapter 15 verse 13." To any Satanist out there that is reading this, our Champions name, was Jason Morales. K.I.A April 18th 2007 Baghdad Iraq. 1st Battalion 28th Infantry. If you ever find peace to practice your Faith in American society, it will be because of heroes like Jason. Thank you for letting me share.
As Jesus told us, we're supposed to pray for those who wish harm upon us, that they're hearts may change to more peaceful ways. Now, you're brother in arms, the satanist, you love, it doesn't matter he was a satanist, we're not supposed to love only those who love us or are the same as us. So your love is not wrong. You saw him fighting for you, perhaps saving your life or risking his. But what we don't see are the angels & demons at work. The more faith & love you have for GOD, the more you will feel angels on your side, steering you from danger. However if we give into the temptations of demons, the less angels can help us if we've given authority to demons instead of angels. Every sin we make was a demons work, he plants the thought & we decide to carry it out through free will. Anyone can be redeemed, just ask GOD for forgiveness, confess our sins for we're not perfect & sin without even knowing it sometimes. I'm reaching out to you because the Holy Spirit told me to, I don't write this much on comments. Maybe this will answer some of your questions or remind you that you're in GODs grace, and your military friend too. RIP
Thank you for your service to the country. 🇺🇸 I work with veterans and their families. It is an honor to support the men and women who served our country.
I had to read this book twice to get the underlying meaning and it led me to the Gnostic books like The Gospel of Thomas and the 2nd Gospel of John. There is so much philosophical meaning in these books that it really takes a while to unpack for the average person. I guess that means Drew is no ordinary person!
Great video! As a member of TST who has seen a lot of the atheist UA-camrs seem to miss the point of TST, thank you for actually diving in a little bit and making a video about TST that's fair and knowledgeable
Its still a bad look tbh. Like they made a religion out of actual atheism. Then they used Satan as their symbol just to throw the middle finger up at Christians and say FK you. I can see why alot of atheists wouldnt like it because they spend a fair amount of time arguing that atheism is not a religion. It's just a lack of belief. But then they go and make a religion out of it. It's counter productive to alot of atheists and makes them look like hypocrites.
I view TST as nothing more than an LGBTQ leftist atheist Club. It's just the Democratic Party. There's no Black Magick being performed. It's just a GSA Club that sues everyone. It's annoying that it exists and calls itself Satan anything. LaVey was doing it to troll Christians. It's like me being a Hat Atheist Jewish person and I make the Church of Iblis to ruffle the feathers with Muslims.
Check out Dead Domains video on Lucian Greaves and the high leadership of TST. It's messed up and Grieves is connected to White Supremacy and the Alt Right bigots, and there is sketch financial stuff, seems like he uses people for money, it started as a mockumentary and seemingly he saw dollar signs 🤷
Check out Dead Domains video on Lucian Greaves and the high leadership of TST. It's messed up and Grieves is connected to White Supremacy and the Alt Right bigots, and there is sketch financial stuff, seems like he uses people for money, it started as a mockumentary and seemingly he saw dollar signs 🤷
When Devils Looks Lesser Intimidating compared to Arrogant , Judgey God Complex Religious Fanatics and Conservatives I Think I'm not the only one who thinks about this irony
@@fearnomoshpit not sure what those verses have to do with this, as those are clearly propogandistic claims formulated to rile up zealots against the unbelievers.
@@marcomoreno6748 How so? I read them as being explicitly anti-tyranny. It's saying that corrupt people are going to get into positions of power/ influence and present themselves as being holy/ doing good while actually being servants of evil, and it's through steadfast faith in the truth and the good, plus a healthy dose of wisdom and discernment that one can resist them effectively. Christianity isn't meant to be one's whole identity. But it is meant to be the core that organizes the rest, allows it to make sense, and actually achieve what it strives for.
@@fearnomoshpit someone never read just a couple verses before that: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." - Ephesians 6:5 NIV
@@participatoroftomfoolery Yep. A principle that Christ Himself lived out, even unto His own death. From Matthew 26:51-53, speaking to one of His disciples when he was taken by the Romans: "Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." As opposed to Esau in Genesis 27:39-41: "His father Isaac answered him, 'Your dwelling will be 'away from the earth’s richness, 'away from the dew of heaven above. 'You will live by the sword 'and you will serve your brother. 'But when you grow restless, 'you will throw his yoke 'from off your neck.' "Esau held a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing his father had given him. He said to himself, 'The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.'" Which one do Satanists prefer? Let's look at a few lines from Frantz Fanon's book, The Wretched of the Earth, and Jean-Paul Sartre's introduction to it: "National liberation, national renaissance, the restoration of nationhood to the people, commonwealth: whatever may be the headings used or the new formulas introduced, decolonization is always a violent phenomenon." ">> The rebel's
It's interesting to hear you discuss satanism in such a positive light. Every time I hear about something from this religion it's usually... pretty reasonable. I wonder if I am harboring some sort of bias, and why? But some examples are: Satanic groups wants the same rights as other religious group. Satanic sermons preach "self empowerment" Satanic groups are normalizing same sex relations. This video is a breath of fresh air. I hold the stance of an atheist, but it's nice to see this discussed for what it is. Interesting. More interesting than most religions. I find Christianity more bleak, boring, and concerning. Good video.
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
If i get that right most satanist churches come fromactivism,so of course, i guessits inbaked to likely be there. Very generalizing. And i guess itmakes sense to be that deepintoanarchist and humanist philosophy, but nice. I personally think its interesting, but not as religion through i very agree. with pretty much near everything. And coolphilosophizing humanist anarchist. But i know it ijust agree tht its more interesting thanmost religions. But mainly because i respect it but, its then . Ok its silly of me butreminds me of star trek. Butdothe good work ireally respect what you do.
“Satanism” as its referrred to here is just a form of activism for the separation of Church and State. There are no real beliefs and it isn’t really a religion. The seven tenets are just Barnum statements.
I think People get luciferians and satanists mixed up. Luciferians are the ones who are genuinely just horrible people. Satanist are atheist who rebel against Christianity.
It was actually quite moving to see you so moved, man. Somehow, "The Revolt of the Angels" had snuck by me underneath my radar, probably in large part because I, too, while understanding that The Satanic Temple was a pluralistic and well-meaning organization involved in a lot of activism to do with causes that I feel pretty deeply, hadn't paid enough attention to them to even check out their website and get tipped off about this book, either. So my thanks to you for your awesome work in general and the interview I just watched and thanks to them, too. I've downloaded the book through Project Gutenberg and will be hitting that soon. Again, thank you so much!
I’m always so proud to be a card-carrying member of TST. I’m absolutely beaming with pride reading the comments right now ❤ May your pursuits stay noble, everyone, and I hope you all have peace. Thanks for sharing, Drew. You’re a badass.
I, too, am a card carrying member and find it refreshing that more and more people are beginning to open up to the ideas surrounding TST. It is going a long way to alleviating some of the stigma brought on by the 'Satanic Panic'.
I find your channel refreshing. I was raised in a southern Baptist environment. Fear of hellfire was the reason to conform. We weren't as fundamentalist as you. But it was enough to leave a scar that puts a lump in my chest when I look up info on satanism or see symbiology. The movie The Witch was especially creepy to me. I know as someone who has been in the deep end of fundamentalism you have a perspective that's worth hearing.
this may be a strange connection, but the dream satan has reminds me a lot of the latter third of the 'green knight' film from a24. holding onto power and refusing to bend to kindness and empathy damages the protagonist of the film, and satan, in much the same way, chooses to walk away from that outcome. this was a really interesting discussion, thank you guys!
I adored that movie. Gawain is a flawed hero, but he learns and grows and will do the right thing after he has tried to do the wrong thing and discovered it won't achieve anything good. I hope in the end he survived and became a good knight but there is no guarantee.
Having a hard time watching this as an Ex-christian. The way Satan's dream played out and the way he described himself reminded me of the way my pastor described demons and devils' approach to coaxing humans, for a second I had a moment of regression where I pondered if I was being conned into something by the devil. Its since passed, but was not a fun experience.
Oof, I definitely know what you mean. I have those moments, although much less than I used to. I appreciate you watching and wish you the best on working through latent Christianity
@@krusk3544 basically, the king goes to war too, but his role is to chose the direction of action, and lead from the front. And a wife doesnt pay taxes with money, but with work.
@@krusk3544 its also the same as a relationships between boss and employee, a husband could tell his wife "Im a better employee than you're a wife" and it would apply.
Growing up in a Louisiana French catholic culture and rejecting it when I was 12, 50 years ago, this book was never spoke of even being a predominately French literary work. I have studied many religions through the years but never found enough unbiased literature to study Satanism. This is very refreshing to hear the true beliefs of Satanism and not the hatred christianity regurgitates about anything that is not of their belief which dominates the book shelves of the US.
This definitely helped me to better understand the intentions and ideals of Satanism. It seems in a roundabout way, all of the oppressive religions are converting members for TST. So I would expect the popularity of both types of religions to remain positively linked unless we somehow reverted to a less knowledgeable paradigm.
I don't think it has anything to do with spirituality... it's about the current corruption and greed... which has infested every aspect of human existence... including the churches (the supposed last bastions of humanism from a world filled with evil), with the church officials in sex abuse scandals, massive embezzlement cases and G-d knows what else... It's understandable why people who still hunger for biblical spirituality take this esoteric route to what is basically economic rebellion against corrupt arseholes.
@@Ozzie_Mandias Sure, but what biblical spirituality? Will John 17:20, John 14:12 and Matthew 17:20, suddenly become widely true, again? And was 2 Samuel 24, for example, ever - spiritual? Or Judges 21.
@@Ozzie_Mandias I mean, will 'these things and greater than I' be done? Or some form of mountain move (a bit showy, maybe) But mountains of food for Africa - that sure, might help. Will John 17:20 be literally true, again? Has not been, for centuries, in certain ways. And was 2 Samuel 24, spiritual, or merciful? And Judges 21 - captives, included.
I learned about the Satanic Temple just last night. Great timing. I find myself agreeing with them more than most religions I’ve looked into. I always did find Satan the hero of the Bible for granting us knowledge. I guess I’ll be a non-theistic Quaker-Satanist.
@@andrewwilson9183 What exactly does the "knowing of evil" mean? Knowing it exists? The loss of innocence but maintained by ignorance? I know it says if they ate they would be like the ones that created them.. was it so they could be easily manipulated?
@@sharon_rose724i think it comes down to how certain people (especially the authors of the bible) view the world. Knowledge could be evil if it "causes the degradation of society as we know it," or perhaps the knowledge was evil in the eyes of the christian god because it allowed eve to rebel. Personally I don't think it's possible for knowledge in itself to be bad, it's how people use it and how people see it through the lens of their time. Even something a lot of people wouldn't want to know, like the day they'll unequivocally, definitely die, it's just neutral information
@@andrewwilson9183 i don't think that there is any knowledge that is "not good" in its own right, it's human actions that make ideas get tinted by morals
What an incredibly moving passage. I will definitely have to read this for myself. When I first deconverted, I also felt that hatred of Christianity, wishing it could just vanish. But as I calmed down, I realized that it is not "Christianity" that causes the evil in the world. It is us. It's humans. That evil is within all of us, and in that same position of power, we would do the same things. It's incredibly reaffirming to see this text reflect that same thought. Absolute power corrupts. Hearing that text actually gives me more sympathy for the Christian god, I see him less as an inherently evil, selfish being. But a reflection of mankind. If I was in his exact position, I would do just as he did. To deny that would be silly.
The Christian God isn’t human From the Christian perspective, the reason why power corrupts in humans is because we are not God, and that the corruption of power, represents the most deadly of the seven deadly sins of pride.
@@andrewwilson9183 That's something that I've heard sometimes from my religious relatives, but at the same time it's something I can't quite solve in my head, it baffles me as a paradox. On one hand, God is supposed to be the creator of the Universe and everything in it, including humans, and so every imperfection, every tendency and desire that is inherent to humans is a part of His nature and His intent. But on the other hand, humans are inherently sinful and corruptible because they are not God? To my thinking, it has two possible answers that would not be entirely in conflict with the Christian philosophy: either God did not create us, just came along to sheperd us at some point; or He once was just as vulnerable and faillable as us, but then transcended it, and now is trying to teach us to do the same.
I'm not so sure about that last part. Absolute power is ridiculously hard to use responsibly even if you wanted to, and in general, the desire for that power can be a corrupting influence as well, but over all, power is not the only thing that shapes who we are. I would not want to wield absolute power; I would regard it as a burden and a responsibility that I could not possibly live up to. The people who would see it as desirable, meanwhile, are those who would see wielding power as a benefit in itself. Anyone who does that is not going to wield it responsibly. To put it another way, power is most appealing to the corrupt. Anyone who would _want_ that level of power is someone that the rest of the world very much would want to not have it. Anyone who the rest of the world would want to hold that power would view it as a horrific burden and a source of alienation, and probably would not be able to handle the burden for long. To put it yet another way, to be able to hold such power, one must be or become corrupt and uncaring. Anyone who is not so will abdicate, until eventually someone who is corrupt takes that position. No one, thus, should hold that power.
While I am reluctant to identify myself as belonging to any particular ideology, doctrine, tradition etc, mythological or otherwise, there is none I have discovered that I feel such internal resonance with than the Promethean principles expressed by Anatole France in the masterpiece that is Revolt of the Angels. I feel that TST has beautifully and intelligently adapted the message of the text into an overarching guiding ethical and rational framework embodied in abstraction by the Eternal Rebel. I feel such kinship with this archetypal spirit and deeply appreciate the work you put into this video. As a fellow ex-christian it was moving to watch. Thank you for helping others to understand more clearly the widely misunderstood figure of Satan as he is embraced by TST and like-minded people. The values he represents are to my mind so integral to the achievement of true liberty and human flourishing. Much much love, hail Satan and be well ❤
TST is not good, they contantly spread lies and misrepresent satanism, and there are a lot of p3dos in the organization, what makes it worse is that they allow children to become members
Getting kicked out of Sunday school when I was 6 for having the audacity to ask why Satan was the “bad guy” for testing and punishing the wicked. Well, after calling my teacher an ignorant b*#%! After she called me evil and kicking me out I knew our definition of evil wasnt the same. I’ve been confused since so I give fealty to nothing but myself. Safer that way. I give nothing dominion over me myself and I. That’s the holy trinity. Power of 3, vested in me.
i don't know if this has been mentioned yet but drew is really a very good interviewer. asking interesting questions and letting his guests actually speak are things you don't see too often yet i can appreciate.
As soon as you explained what this video was about, I pushed pause and had to read the book for myself first. Just finished it this morning, and I am floored in all the right ways. It’s a beautiful and poetic and though-provoking, feeling-provoking read, and it ultimately doesn’t surprise me that it’s so good-France was a Nobel Prize winner for his work, after all! Thank you for introducing me to this author and this profound text. I echo your praise and unqualified recommendation of the book. So grateful for your work and the opportunity to continue to expand my own mind and consciousness! Thank you!!!
I see parallels between this book and the Philip Pullman triology "His Dark Materials" which also is set in a situation about a second rebellion of Angels against God - who in this trilogy is referred to as "The Authority".
Philip Pullman is heavily inspired by Milton's "Paradise Lost", which also depicts a rebellion against God. This poem is written in the 17th century and has been very important for many who have later written about Satan's role in Christianity. It is very likely among the inspirations for Anatole France in the video as well.
Honestly, if Santanist ever wanted to, they could adopt and make the "Book of Enoch" canonical, (I have been upset at Christianity for not making that book cannocle for years despite its relevance to the actual bible.) Since the literal fact that it talks about the first falling of the angles before the rebellion, the first witches, and the nephelim which are apparently giants, and how that may or may not be related to giants in the roman mythology
There are a lot of books not canonical because The Church can't make money off of them. You can't maintain a 'flock of sheep' off of 'split a piece of wood'. Anything that gives the masses their free will is taken out.
@@cheriremily9360 The Bible itself affirms and teaches man's free will. God doesn't take away anyone's free will to break His Law. But He does punish those who break it. Neither does the government force people to obey the law. But they do punish those who break it. Furthermore, the Bible identifies false brethren (false Christians) who infiltrate the Church and make merchandise of the people as false teachers who are going to Hell.(2 Peter 2, below) So many people don't read the Bible themselves, but have been taught by the very false teachers whom Jesus warned us about. As a result, they assess things in error. _"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as _*_there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,_*_ even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 _*_And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not..._*_ Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 which have forsaken the right way... _*_These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever."_*_ --2 Peter 2_
First book of Enoch is the only one found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. The word Grigori is what turns into Giant over time, but the translation means Watcher. The Watchers who come with Shemihaza give gifts that are identical to the gifts given by the gods at the wedding of Zeus and Pandora (Sorcery, Swords and the like). Aza then rebels against Shemihaza when Shemihaza sets himself up as Elohim. Aza gaining the title of Lord (El) and becoming Azael shows how the ancient people appreciated his defiance against the Malevolent One (Elohim or Yaldabaoth). The book of Job is very mistranslated and depicts Satan and the Sons of Elohim trying to turn Job away from Yahweh and to turn to Elohim. There is an argument that Yaldabaoth (Elohim) and Yahweh (God) have been mixed to the point that no one should tell you how you should live or pray when they themselves don't even know Elohim isn't Yahweh.
Religious people say God controls everything and then religious people also say God gave free will ( to make the god escape from his responsibilities),the free will argument actually contradicts the argument that God controls everything
@@elijahtrent21 Does it count as free choice if you where intentionally made to choose what you do? Since as many seem to miss, god is omniscient, therefore he knows the future
I love TST 🖤 Thank you for covering this in a great way. I dont follow any religion, but if i were going to, it would be TST. Its message sits with me all around more solidily than any other religion I've researched and thought about. Plus the work they do for the community ACTUALLY HELPS and is things I support myself. Thank you TST for all you do for the community ❤
the satanic temple is NOT a religious organization as they have nothing to do with satanism. TST was created as a ''fake religion'' for a mockumentary that was titled ''the satanic temple'' and Lucien greaves was the casting director. they use satanism and satanic imagery to gain attention and the POLITICAL organization TST is now a cashgrab. to further this claim is that their website claims they don't believe in a literal satan but when the TST website was created in 2013 it was SPECIFICALLY created to worship the devil. Lucien himself has also stated that TST is satire and a ''darker yes men.'' the ONLY correct satanic organization is the Church Of Satan as their former leader Anton LaVey codified the religion of satanism in 1966, and there are several academic studies proving that. the Church Of Satan does not condone what TST does nor do they accept TST as a satanic organization
Partner bought the TV series Lucifer on DVD. We are watching two or three episodes every day in some kind of binge. I am surprised at how much is directly lifted from this book.
@@TheLostArchangel666 Well really, what work by Gaiman couldn't you recommend? Love that dude. And yeah, the books are even better. Still Lucifer's great for a laugh.
Gaimans books are 100% different from the tv show. He is from both Jewish and Scientology families. Those were inspiring his worlds. I thoroughly recommend both Lucifer and the Sandman stories. Those are so precious.
Bradypus tridactylus Lucifer in the show does seem to be on the same sort of path as Arcade. But there are differences since Lucifer is a very privileged person while Arcade is a guardian angel, the lowest form of life in The Celestial Kingdom.
I've always meant to read this book and would genuinely listen to an audiobook version of you reading it, since it's in the public domain. If you were to do a deeper dive and analysis of the whole book, I'd love to watch a video on that as well!
I've been watching for a while now but this one made me subscribe. I've been wading through decades of skepticism so I really enjoyed watching how compelling you found this book.
This sounds like it was definitely an inspiration for the “his dark materials” book series, which was later adapted into a series on Amazon prime. Very similar premise.
What I heard here reminds of the ST:TNG episode peak performance data(Satan), playing a strategy game with a (God)zakdorn, loses and can't figure out how he lost. Eventually he realizes that instead of trying to win he should go for a stalemate. So in this instance for Satan to actually "win" he should just maintain a balance.
My TST Congregation recently hosted a book club meeting on TRotA. We had a very fun and insightful look at the text and learned a lot. This is great to see this after discussing the book so deeply.
I started looking into TST when they wanted to put their statue up in Oklahoma and I've been in love with their organization ever since. Not to mention what they are currently doing for women's rights. TST is a godsend lol.
I have Discovered Your an amazing and Great channel around 2 weeks ago, I've watched a handful of your videos lately and I have been Astonished by the Fact how Smart and Educated overall you are as a Person! Keep pushing yourself beyond your limits, Much love
TST would be a lot cooler if they weren't suing 4 former members in federal court, in what is arguably a SLAPP case, for criticizing the leadership on facebook for not living up to their own principles, refiling multiple times after multiple judges dismissed the claims.
Haven't watched the vid yet but opening UA-cam to find that you released a video about Satanism on Easter is the best Easter gift ever! So excited to watch! :)
The pagan gods are the good guys? I'm Pagan and I haven't heard of this book before. Have to check it out. Indeed, we have to defeat the Ialdabaoth within. Reminds me of that Confucian parable about the two dogs - which do you feed?
Few things fueled my deconversion like doind a character study on how different cultures through the centuries view Lucifer/Satan/Devil/etc. That the angel was at best was that one teacher known for pop quizzes that tested obedience to moral law and at worst a slave entity made to worship a malevolent sociopath who was punished for failing to break his own programming and give the boss enough stars when he had to review the latest creation.
Mythvision is great! He’s doing an awesome job making critical scholarship more accessible. Derek has helped lots of channels like mine find scholars to work with too. Seriously respect that hustle.
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Right on, that's awesome! Been following you guys the past year. I got my mind blown on your video regarding hell, when you made the trip out to the valley of Hinnom. Keep it up man! Went from a confused raised Christian kid searching for the truth, to a lot happier fence sitting agnostic.
Whatever anyone wants to do, I say knock yourself out, but I don't feel the need to take on an image that comes from the same mythology that oppressed me, even if it is the *rebel* character. I'd rather just be a label-less nonbeliever. That said, I do appreciate TST's political activism, but most christians are not going to get the point. They will be too deafened by the alarm bells in their heads going off upon hearing the word satan.
Christians will never get the point, that's not the purpose of it The purpose of modern satanism is to use the same rules the church does to counter their abuse of the law
Very true. I have a personal anecdote that may illustrate the same point further. Once, when I was a Christian, I found a copy of the Necronomicon at a swap meet and picked it up. The sensations I felt were repulsive, like all kinds of disgusting bug-like vermin were crawling around just beneath the cover. I don't think I even opened the book and it was the only book I wanted to destroy. My religious indoctrination overwhelmed my curiosity and love of knowledge.
I agree, not planning on joining, though I appreciate them. I think the fact that Christians WILL misunderstand the imagery of Satan is part of the point, though. It's meant to be shocking, and confusing. It helps to point out the hypocrisy of the dominant religion when they lobby for equal representation in public spaces. A Satanic display is exactly what Christians would not want displayed publicly, and yet under law they must accept it. It's not as effective a troll if their symbol is something else. However, the image of Satan is culturally so fraught, I can't help but wonder if it's a mistake. I do not believe Satan is a real entity, but I personally do not want to be wearing a symbol of evil personified as a badge of honor.
The alarm bells are part of the point of TST. Christians don't respect Atheism or Humanism as valid beliefs because they don't hold a supernatural element. Ultimately, many Christians believe Atheists and Humanists are just Christians who are pissed at Jesus because they just love sinning so much. Declaring yourself a Satanist however carries much more weight for them because it means you are a Believer, but you play for the other team. You are the enemy, your soul is owned by Satan and you are actively working against them in their Spiritual War. TST isn't trying to get Christians to understand their point of view but respect it.
@@zemorph42 tbf, if i was a superstitious at all, i would know better than to open the necronomicon of all things Not out of disgust, but just out of common sense Same way you don't play with a gun
I really like the idea that Jesus and Lucifer were originally both referring to the same person or concept. Lucifer meaning shining one or light bearer and Jesus saying he is the light in the book of john. That sin (anything against god) is necessary, as god is what brought evil into the world and allowed it to take root. While really this has no evidence to stand on besides the romancing of such ideas, it makes much more sense to me that the rebel against god is the same person (or concept) that rebelled against societal thinking (i.e. hanging with prostitutes, lepers, and caring for the poor). Honestly it wouldnt surprise me if over many years we completely mistranslated everything even past the dead sea scrolls and these books tell entirely different stories from the original traditions, maybe never being intended to be religious at all. Would love to see a modern take revolving around this idea.
Exactly the direction in which our minds need to open. The problem is not who sits at the throne, it is the *need of a throne* within ourselves that we must address. Not wishing for a better master, instead seeking to be free of slavery and the patterns that give rise to tyrannical power. Satan is so wise at the end here.
As a strong, longtime antitheist (I grew up in the Pentecostal church, my grandfather and Uncle were Pastora and I realised it was entirely bullshit by age 11) I found this very interesting, and very inspiring. I don't think I'd ever describe myself as a Satanist or even become involved with TST, but the ideas certainly speak to my own thinking and efforts to self justify or perhaps quantify my upbringing when I was younger verses my actual moral beliefs at the time, and definitely stand parallel to current moral beliefs. Excellent presentation, thank you so much for putting this together.
I think the way I see TST is they are one of two things. A place for, or a stepping stone between people who were religious to/and those who aren't, so they can transition without the immediate lack of any ceremony or belief at all. For people who love the community, the good done, and/or the ceremony of an organized religion, but have fallen out of love with a god of any kind. People who want to live for themselves while helping others who can't do just that, to do just that. I would join but I don't need the crutch as I have never really believed in a god. I researched many religions in hopes of actually believing in any of them but at the end of the day, the rituals felt immature or silly to me. I felt ridiculous preying and talking to myself at night. I felt so silly laying there pretending I could have an out-of-body experience, when the most I was doing was causing my eyes muscle strain while they were closed from looking upward too far. I felt uncomfortable with biblical verses, or singing from the Torah... it all just felt so, wrong. So I don't feel like I need something like TST personally. That said, I do love what they're doing for their communities, the people who do need them, and society in general with how they fight against an impending theocracy. It helps that I live in Canada, but honestly, we're only a step or so behind the US in everything going to proverbial hell so...
If you haven't read it, I recommend the Lucifer Comic series. The original 75 issue run deals with a lot of the themes that it sounds like The Revolt of the Angels does.
Ok, I guess I’m adding this book to my reading list! Being a rather Prometheus-minded person myself, I’ve often felt that if I was gonna join a religion this would be it. But I don’t join religions... I guess being a Subgenius is the closest I can get to taking religiosity seriously.
Which father banishes his own son(creation) to pits of hell just because he said no to some things which he was asked to do Guess God has more ego than devil himself
This is a great video to watch on Easter Sunday lol jokes aside I love the content and this video was a great overview of what the satanic temple is really about
I am an anti theist, meaning I believe we are better off without religion, having said that, I believe as well this goal should be achieved by reason, not by force. I am not going to try to convert religious people, but I hope to be a spark for them to leave their religious beliefs behind, if they're willing to discuss it.
OK but "Goth ACLU" is a better brand than many world religions. Jokes aside, this was an incredible deep dive. I can appreciate the literary and intellectual connections between Anatole France and later developments, I had no idea that this work was revered as such. How neat.
I actually haven't really heard of this book. I DEFINITELY want to give it a read now. I generally like Satanism. I was personally very moved by The Satanic Bible. After I left Catholicism I was able to fairly easily move on from a lot of its teachings and had made some good progress by the time I picked up The Satanic Bible. The Satanic Bible just helped knock off some of the more stubborn bits of useless mental debris I had collected from Catholicism. It's an amazing book and I really could recommend it to anyone but particularly for ex Christians. It just really helped me really let go of Catholicism more fully. Reading it doesn't mean you should or will be a Satanist. It's just a great pallet cleanser. And I do still hold some of the idea from that book. Very empowering and self loving. Self-respecting.
I dig what you’re saying and I completely agree except the church of Satan (satanic Bible) has literally nothing to do with this book by the satanic temple!! They actually don’t support TST at all so pls don’t get them confused !!
I’m glad it’s available since I almost exclusively listen to books, but the performance seriously lacked. It is public domain so I’ve thought about producing an audio version of my own, but with someone more professional than me narrating.
I thought it was gonna be some edgy nonsense, but that stuff about the wrongness of scapegoating and of fighting against fear/tyranny in our own hearts… good stuff
If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. They keep trying to make it into films/tv shows. Forgo all that and just read the books. The ending of the third book is incredibly poignant and relevant to this video.
19:10: _The more you perceive yourself as morally superior, as a thoroughly morally good person, the less morally you may actually act._ A very important sentence.
@@ghostagent3552 I'm not saying it's not important. . I'm just saying that the religious & supernatural theme of the story is not to be taken seriously.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 That's kinda the point of it being adopted as a "sacred" text by the Temple, isn't it? Religious and supernatural themes are metaphors and should not be taken literally.
@@bartolomeothesatyr Yes, but metaphors & underlying subtleties have a tendency to be misunderstood or overlooked. When more & more people with different views join overtime, ideas can change. What started out as 'sacred' with a wink, can end up as being Sacred with a capital S .
@@spiritualanarchist8162 That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's much of a concern with an org whose entire canonical literary corpus consists of the philosophical rejection of dogma.
TST is kinda weird for me. On one hand, I’m not sure if I can bring myself to join the actual organization given some bad/questionable things I’ve heard about its top leadership. On the other hand, I agree with basically everything TST teaches and I found this video extremely encouraging and inspiring. Regardless, I’m glad that there are people like Dex and Chalice to discuss these ideas and I definitely feel myself being drawn closer to Satanism as time goes by. I’ll definitely have to read the book!
Out of curiosity what are the bad things floating around about their leadership? I feel like if I try googling it I'll be flooded with Christian sources which obviously are hugely biased.
I’m producing an online course with Dr. Joseph Laycock on horror, film, satan, and American religion!
Sign up for “Scaring the Hell Into America” with Dr. Joseph Laycock:
www.eventbrite.com/e/online-course-scaring-the-hell-into-america-with-dr-joseph-laycock-tickets-1021374387287?utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-medium=discovery&utm-term=listing&utm-source=cp&aff=ebdsshcopyurl
to be honest, I didn't want to reveal this at first, but I told myself, this has to be shared - Hidden Lodge Prosperity book
ty for recommendation, such a great book :)
Currently sitting in church listening to this, love your work man
Let us know if you start getting engulfed in flames! ;)
Why lol
@Player 3 I go to church with my family on some holidays. It's more about family tradition than the religion for me
Listening to a book about Satanism in church on Easter is such a vibe lol
(TF2 Spy Theme)
It is one of the best books I had ever read at the time.
I was a teenager in Alabama during the infamous “Satanic Panic” era. I was also a very nerdy and rebellious teenager who had actually read almost everything about all theology by the time I was 13. I was labeled as so many ridiculous things by people who had ZERO clue what any of these books actually said. Most of my friends knew the deal and the kids that didn’t could easily be gotten rid of by simply playing “Stairway To Heaven”. They were convinced that it was subliminally inviting the devil into their lives or some shit.
I like you dude. Your carried the torch, and as a result the burdens lighter for me and others.
Its getting better for us. Justice is slaying peace, day by day. Once people stop mistreating eachother...well...next up. Systematic improvment
🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Where would I start if I wanted to learn all that's worthwhile?
@@jenniferlee5466 Honesty, I started with the Apocrypha which is a collection of many omitted Bible Books, and then move on to the more obscure, less known books that were not included in the Apocrypha. You are at a far greater advantage than I was as a kid because you have the benefit of a supercomputer in your pocket. The information is right there at your fingertips. I am so excited for the journey you are about to embark on. ☺
@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320 Thank you so much
The Satanic Temple has 7 tenets:
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
These make too much sense.
I'm not sure they are compatible with unregulated global capitalism 🤔
As to number 3, our justice system's prisons seem to not follow.
Preach
When satan has better rules than all the gods combined... lol Happy Ostera!!
"The Revolt of the Angels" has had a significant cultural influence, particularly in French literature and philosophy. It is considered one of Anatole France's most important works and a masterpiece of French literature.
The novel's exploration of free will and rebellion against authority has resonated with many readers and has been seen as a precursor to existentialist and surrealist thought. Its critiques of traditional institutions and values, such as religion and politics, have also been influential in shaping modernist and postmodernist literature.
In addition to its literary influence, "The Revolt of the Angels" has also inspired other forms of art, including music, theater, and film. For example, the French composer Florent Schmitt wrote an opera based on the novel, and the American filmmaker D.W. Griffith adapted it into a silent film in 1918.
Of course the book about revolution would go well in France....
@@Swaiznhe Funny, I always thought D.W. Griffith was an american.
Its still Christian monotheism just turned on its head. Demons are not Fallen Angles and they are not the evil spirits of the Hebrew Bible!
"Daimon or Daemon (Ancient Greek: δαίμων, "god", "godlike", "power", "fate")[1][2] originally referred to a lesser deity or guiding spirit such as the daimons of ancient Greek religion and mythology and of later Hellenistic religion and philosophy.[3] The word is derived from Proto-Indo-European daimon "provider, divider (of fortunes or destinies)," from the root *da- "to divide".[4] Daimons were possibly seen as the souls of men of the golden age acting as tutelary deities, according to entry δαίμων at Liddell & Scott.[5] See also daimonic: a religious, philosophical, literary and psychological concept.
Daimons are lesser divinities or spirits, often personifications of abstract concepts, beings of the same nature as both mortals and deities, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature, or the deities themselves (see Plato's Symposium). According to Hesiod's myth, "great and powerful figures were to be honoured after death as a daimon…"[6] A daimon is not so much a type of quasi-divine being, according to Burkert, but rather a non-personified "peculiar mode" of their activity.[citation needed]
In Hesiod's Theogony, Phaëton becomes an incorporeal daimon or a divine spirit,[7] but, for example, the ills released by Pandora are deadly deities, keres, not daimones.[6] From Hesiod also, the people of the Golden Age were transformed into daimones by the will of Zeus, to serve mortals benevolently as their guardian spirits; "good beings who dispense riches…[nevertheless], they remain invisible, known only by their acts".[8] The daimones of venerated heroes were localized by the construction of shrines, so as not to wander restlessly, and were believed to confer protection and good fortune on those offering their respects.[6]
One tradition of Greek thought, which found agreement in the mind of Plato, was of a daimon which existed within a person from their birth, and that each individual was obtained by a singular daimon prior to their birth by way of lot.[6]
In the Old Testament, evil spirits appear in the book of Judges and in Kings. In the Septuagint, made for the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, the Greek ángelos (ἄγγελος, "messenger") translates the Hebrew word mal'ak, while daimónion (δαιμόνιον; pl. daimónia (δαιμόνια)), which carries the meaning of a natural spirit[citation needed] that is less than divine (see supernatural), translates the Hebrew word shedim as well as the word se'irim in some verses and words for idols (foreign deities), and describes the being Asmodeus in the Book of Tobit.[9] The use of daimōn in the New Testament's original Greek text caused the Greek word to be applied to the Judeo-Christian concept of an evil spirit by the early second century AD."
Pretty sure it influenced the Shin Megami Tensei series too
@@NovaSaber
Nah!
It’s first influenced Ultraman and later Shin Megami Tensei.
It would be interesting to have a metal band named "Ialdabaoth" and to have each album centered around the revolt of the angels and the messages there in. Also thought it would be cool to have a song that implements the 7 tenets of TST into one of the songs but sung in Latin for that extra flare.
A stronger rebellion against Christianity would be to bypass it by not even acknowledging it through embracing what it opposes.
Embracing Satan acknowledges the power of "god".
Embracing older/different ways, erasing and ignoring Christianity is a stronger way to embrace the "satanic" ideal.
True liberation is erasing "god" and "satan".
Also incorporate odd time signatures in some of the songs so it'll be cooler
Corny but I must admit in the 80s or 90s it would've been dope. Modern rock isn't getting the job done.
Theocracy is a good band. not the best mastering, but the lyrical content and melodic writing are top shelf.
could make a good black metal band
This sounds fascinating, now who else wants to hear Drew read the entire book as an audiobook?
❤I would buy that so fast! His voice is perfect for it. He's the interesting professor whose class is always waitlisted🌟
I'm waiting for him to do so. I'd love to see him do more of this.
I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED THIS
I'd definitely dig that!
That would be great.
Love the message in the passage.
It flows back to a simple point.
Power Corrupts, and absolute power Corrupts absolutely. Satan for saw his own corruption into becoming what he hated, and saw it was not wise to persue that path.
It's even more than that. As Frank Herbert said so well, "Power ATTRACTS the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible". It seems like a small difference until you think about it for a minute.
Satan is not real. Plus in Judaism satan works for god and christianity took Zoroastrian ideas to make the devil which also is not found in Judaism.
a wise man said..power does not corrupt..power simply allows us to show who we really are
*foresaw / had foreseen
"Power Corrupts" also happens to be the name of an animated series made by Darkmatter2525.
I joined the TST when I saw them challenging laws passed by the religious Right. I am an atheist, and I'm all for people practicing
Their faith, but when religious people use their faith to dictate legislation, that's where I draw the line. That's what drew me to them, they also have great humanist values.
As a Catholic, I agree. The law of the Lord is to be followed individually, applied in our individual lives. Not to force everyone else to live by our rules, that's tyranny. The best we can do is spread the word and show you the love of Jesus as closely as we can.
@@ChefBussy To say authoritatively that the law of the Lord is to be followed individually is kinda right and wrong. The commandments are an interesting way in which the Lord's law is our law.
You are part of the TST? I just decided to look into the TST and one of the claims they make is that life does not begin at conception. Do you agree with this statement and why or why not?
@@flyingray7879 if life does not begin at conception .... of what need is conception for life? go ask a TST tard that question ...get ready for hilarity ....
Godlessness and atheism are religions too, and I agree.. atheists shouldn't be making laws
the idea in the text that the demons take the form of ancient Gods is actually pretty cool. it kinda mirrors the way that the demons in Christian mythology are almost all direct references to old Gods, repurposed as the villains
If you ask my old church, the demons still masquerade as gods including old pantheons and newer entities like Allah. It's definitely an old but living tradition
@@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm interesting view from your old church, especially considering that allah is supposedly the same yahweh in judaism and christianity who has simply revealed his final guidance
@@bobbirdsong6825 as we saw in this video, there are many: that god is a liar demon taking my name
The core of Christianity is the belief that Christ is the son of God and salvation is only through Him, while Islam explicitly says this is false and that Christ was just a prophet (very important but no more than that)
We multiply small differences with the perceived infinitude of God and we get literal hatred even between confessions of the same religion.
@@dontthrow6064 Great point
@@dontthrow6064 That's what happens when spirituality is used by exploitative control freaks and politicians... lets face it if there ever was a demonic creation ruining mankind... it's American Capitalism.
And THIS is why I'm a Patron.
I would never have sought out this book on my own. Just downloaded it to my Kindle.
Thanks for broadening my thinking once again, Drew.
Same, same and same. This book seemed super interesting and I put it _immediately_ on my "to-read" list - and being as short as it is, will likely end up being the very next one I'll read.
I've downloaded the E-Pub from Project Gutenberg and have opened the HTML version. I have 2 more books of a series I'm reading to finish first but am going to look at reading this one.
I saw this when i was a Pentecostal Christian. I had questions over the bible and had a feeling i couldn't put into words that the faith was a force towards a more bigoted, suspicious person.
I got a job at a Christian organisation, and my supervisor turned out to be for me the caricature of how religion makes someone a self rightous, judgmental hypocrite. She would go on about how she knew how to rearly pray and how "God is god of order", she used to to justify continually micromanaging and slandering me to the CEO.
I went to the CEO and my church pastor very unhappy and they both emphasised submitting to authority. I then caught both the supervisor and CEO lying, to each other, and to me when i raised it.
Again i couldn't express it coherently but i knew i couldn't be a person in this organisation or church.
Good for you !!!! Pentecostals are just like the rest of them !!! Telling you how to think and charging loads of money for it !!!! The first Fool was the Believer who met a Con Man, and it Spread all over the World !!!! All Religions are a load of Garbage, the Secret is to Find out the Truth about Reality. And nobody really knows anything at all about it !!!!! Scientists are probing into it, but it's far more Complicated than any human knows about !!!!
Hey Carl, that lady you described sounds exactly like the ultra religious woman in midnight mass. Check it out if you haven't seen it
Hey man, I hope you understand that this women if she had treated you wrongly did not abide by the Lord's commandment for loving your neighbor as yourself. This is not God's way to berate, lie, abuse, and ignore you nor is it how God is described in the Bible. The church is just a congregation of like-minded individuals and if they are not following the Lord's commandments then I would argue they A) Need to re-evaluate or B) Are not Christian, C) A combo of aren't a Christian and use the Church for power(power corrupts).
I urge you to look deeper and stray away from Churchs who do not have the values of the Lord, and I know this might suck but you might have to read the Bible to see what exactly I mean. I have had plenty of friends who have been turned away from Christ because of the Church and I once again want you to know that is not God. He loves you so very much to the point its incomprehensible, your fellow neighbor may not have the same love for you, that is in our nature, we are humans, in-perfectible in nature. It is best to adhere to the laws of the Lord as best we can to attain as close to a "perfect" nature as possible.
I promise that what the Jesus teaches is about as close to non-judgemental as it gets, we are called to love one another regardless of job or struggles with sin. I myself have sinned many times and will sin more, but I made a promise to the Lord that I will try to do better and reduce the amount of sin in my life.
I am willing to answer or talk about anything you would like, I will be praying for you(if it means anything)
If you're into kids, you could always just re-brand as a Catholic ;p
Just because some Christians are fake or not following the Bible, doesn't mean God isn't good. People have free will
" the mark of an intelligent mind is to entertain an idea without accepting it."
Love this!♡
Agreed. Humans do live in communities, though Church gave us that community. We now need new communities. Yes, we must be careful about power. It's unfortunately addictive, and it's taking humanity thousands of years to pull away from it.
Which is why the vast majority of people are stupid.
What would you do in the face of something you deem so detestable that absolutely nothing could possibly show its not what you believe, yet data fails to prove your position valid and may even show good is served?
While obviously not all accept, the fact that it's part of primary discourse shows we've been successful with things like gays, blacks, drugs, and more. So what other information exists we refuse as even too despicable to mention?
Know yourself beyond any other!😆
@@hackman669 i like the cat pfp
A friend of mine once showed me some church of satan documents, including a 10 commendments of sorts. The satanic commandments made as much sense, sometimes more sense, than the christian version. I get what you are saying about the ability of their lore to be more potent to a modern audience.
Then I remember that it's a fantasy, and like all good literature I can pick and pull a few good life lessons/nuggets of wisdom from the text.
Just so you are aware that the church of satan is not the satanic temple. The satanic temple doesnt agree with the church of satan, and the satanic temple doesnt have a bible, nor 10 commandments
Keep in mind that the Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple are very different organizations. No judgement. Just simple fact.
Do you mean the Church of Satan, a generally defunct, dead religion... Or the Satanic Temple, the currently-active-and-relevant religion spoken about in this video?
They're two extremely different things, so it's extremely important you direct comments in the right direction
For the record, there is a _very_ distinct difference between The Satanic Temple and The Church of Satan, the latter being the sort mentioned at the end of the video that should be told to "f off".
With my "akshually" out of the way... Agreed, they're easily the most pragmatic religious tenets I've read, but even card carrying members would tell you not to adhere to them with righteous conviction. It's a general guide we can all adapt to our individual needs, like the original intent of most religions imo. I'm a tenet-sampler myself. I think most religions have a lot of valuable ideas, but none of them should be taken to the extremes we've seen for centuries.
You’re most likely talking about the 7 tenets of The Satanic Temple; in case you ever want to read up on those again!
This is actually fascinating. I'm an episcopalian, but I really enjoy your videos and find them very informative and interesting. I may not agree with everything you talk about but It's important to learn about a variety of beliefs and viewpoints so that we can understand each other better. Keep up the good work!
Ok, I’m hooked. Definitely gonna read this.
Please be careful not to conflate TST and Satanism as a whole. They’re not the only Satanists, and not the only humanist Satanists.
(I really like TST, btw. Just want to be clear.)
Good point. I live near the TST and I support them.
Saintism is the practice of worshiping the Devil
The TST "10 Commandments" are worth reading.
Yeah, I've heared that the Church of Satan is into that Ayn Rand crap, though. I prefer the TST.
@@scottdavis3571 I have heard that as well, and definitely want nothing to do with that. They're not the only other sect of Satanism, and I really don't know any others besides TST that I would recommend.
This was so interesting and enlightening! I've been a practicing Witch for 48 years, and only recently "came out " 2 years ago at age 60, for that very reason: I didn't want people to be afraid of me, or to think I was mentally incompetent. I am overjoyed at the acceptance, tolerance, and more often than not, interest I am met with! This could never have happened 30 years ago. We truly are evolving!
You’re awesome and you remind of my grandma. I’m older now but she used to tell me she was a witch and that it skipped a generation so I was a witch too. I try to live the life she’d be proud of me being the happiest.
Wow may I ask an experienced witch about her favourite herbs and mushrooms? Lol
(seriously though)
Always wonder how you could be a practicing witch when magic and spells aren't real. Seems a contradiction in terms.
@@pierrelindgren5727 I suspect that's a bit like "how can you be a Satanist without being evil".
Just letting yourself be able to say that the churches have no power over me but what is in me to have the power.
I joined the Army Infantry in 05 as a still somewhat practicing Mormon. In bootcamp to duty stations and all the way to Iraq 2007 I served with my Army brother who was a Satatinist. We maybe brought up religion/Faith maybe one time. Outside of that, are bond was as strong as Iron. He would occasionally yell out a "Hail Satan" to me and I would respond with a smile. Sadly, in April 2007, my Brother in Satan was killed by a sniper we were hunting. And the last I seen of him was carrying his lifeless body to the Black Hawk to give the "Final Salute". But he is from Los Angeles like I am so I am able to go visit him.I stopped going to church after the war. Recently all these years later and admitting myself to PTSD treatment at the VA, supernatural events started to occur so I took to the solitude of the woods for prayer as I found myself looking to Jesus saying "I am trying Lord, but why does my heart love my Brother in Satan more than it loves your Angels?" And a voice responded saying " John chapter 15 verse 13." To any Satanist out there that is reading this, our Champions name, was Jason Morales. K.I.A April 18th 2007 Baghdad Iraq. 1st Battalion 28th Infantry. If you ever find peace to practice your Faith in American society, it will be because of heroes like Jason. Thank you for letting me share.
Whoah - incredible. Were you and he lovers??
As Jesus told us, we're supposed to pray for those who wish harm upon us, that they're hearts may change to more peaceful ways. Now, you're brother in arms, the satanist, you love, it doesn't matter he was a satanist, we're not supposed to love only those who love us or are the same as us. So your love is not wrong. You saw him fighting for you, perhaps saving your life or risking his. But what we don't see are the angels & demons at work. The more faith & love you have for GOD, the more you will feel angels on your side, steering you from danger. However if we give into the temptations of demons, the less angels can help us if we've given authority to demons instead of angels. Every sin we make was a demons work, he plants the thought & we decide to carry it out through free will. Anyone can be redeemed, just ask GOD for forgiveness, confess our sins for we're not perfect & sin without even knowing it sometimes. I'm reaching out to you because the Holy Spirit told me to, I don't write this much on comments. Maybe this will answer some of your questions or remind you that you're in GODs grace, and your military friend too. RIP
Thank you for your service to the country. 🇺🇸
I work with veterans and their families. It is an honor to support the men and women who served our country.
@@Unfunny_Username_389Your username is unfunny. But your comment is hilarious.😂👍
Thanks for that comment and for your service. I worked at VA many years. Always said, "Thanks for your service." to each one.
I had to read this book twice to get the underlying meaning and it led me to the Gnostic books like The Gospel of Thomas and the 2nd Gospel of John. There is so much philosophical meaning in these books that it really takes a while to unpack for the average person. I guess that means Drew is no ordinary person!
Agreed !!
Just like any religious texts 😂
Great video! As a member of TST who has seen a lot of the atheist UA-camrs seem to miss the point of TST, thank you for actually diving in a little bit and making a video about TST that's fair and knowledgeable
Its still a bad look tbh. Like they made a religion out of actual atheism. Then they used Satan as their symbol just to throw the middle finger up at Christians and say FK you. I can see why alot of atheists wouldnt like it because they spend a fair amount of time arguing that atheism is not a religion. It's just a lack of belief. But then they go and make a religion out of it. It's counter productive to alot of atheists and makes them look like hypocrites.
I view TST as nothing more than an LGBTQ leftist atheist Club. It's just the Democratic Party. There's no Black Magick being performed. It's just a GSA Club that sues everyone. It's annoying that it exists and calls itself Satan anything. LaVey was doing it to troll Christians. It's like me being a Hat Atheist Jewish person and I make the Church of Iblis to ruffle the feathers with Muslims.
fake satanist
Check out Dead Domains video on Lucian Greaves and the high leadership of TST. It's messed up and Grieves is connected to White Supremacy and the Alt Right bigots, and there is sketch financial stuff, seems like he uses people for money, it started as a mockumentary and seemingly he saw dollar signs 🤷
Check out Dead Domains video on Lucian Greaves and the high leadership of TST. It's messed up and Grieves is connected to White Supremacy and the Alt Right bigots, and there is sketch financial stuff, seems like he uses people for money, it started as a mockumentary and seemingly he saw dollar signs 🤷
When Devils Looks Lesser Intimidating compared to Arrogant , Judgey God Complex Religious Fanatics and Conservatives
I Think I'm not the only one who thinks about this irony
She literally just defined God as tyranny, fear, and ignorance. Very clear, and appropriate to fight.
Someone never read Ephesians 6:10-16.
@@fearnomoshpit not sure what those verses have to do with this, as those are clearly propogandistic claims formulated to rile up zealots against the unbelievers.
@@marcomoreno6748 How so? I read them as being explicitly anti-tyranny. It's saying that corrupt people are going to get into positions of power/ influence and present themselves as being holy/ doing good while actually being servants of evil, and it's through steadfast faith in the truth and the good, plus a healthy dose of wisdom and discernment that one can resist them effectively.
Christianity isn't meant to be one's whole identity. But it is meant to be the core that organizes the rest, allows it to make sense, and actually achieve what it strives for.
@@fearnomoshpit someone never read just a couple verses before that:
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
- Ephesians 6:5 NIV
@@participatoroftomfoolery Yep. A principle that Christ Himself lived out, even unto His own death. From Matthew 26:51-53, speaking to one of His disciples when he was taken by the Romans:
"Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
As opposed to Esau in Genesis 27:39-41:
"His father Isaac answered him,
'Your dwelling will be
'away from the earth’s richness,
'away from the dew of heaven above.
'You will live by the sword
'and you will serve your brother.
'But when you grow restless,
'you will throw his yoke
'from off your neck.'
"Esau held a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing his father had given him. He said to himself, 'The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.'"
Which one do Satanists prefer? Let's look at a few lines from Frantz Fanon's book, The Wretched of the Earth, and Jean-Paul Sartre's introduction to it:
"National liberation, national renaissance, the restoration of nationhood to the people, commonwealth: whatever may be the headings used or the new formulas introduced, decolonization is always a violent phenomenon."
">> The rebel's
It's interesting to hear you discuss satanism in such a positive light.
Every time I hear about something from this religion it's usually... pretty reasonable. I wonder if I am harboring some sort of bias, and why?
But some examples are:
Satanic groups wants the same rights as other religious group.
Satanic sermons preach "self empowerment"
Satanic groups are normalizing same sex relations.
This video is a breath of fresh air. I hold the stance of an atheist, but it's nice to see this discussed for what it is. Interesting. More interesting than most religions.
I find Christianity more bleak, boring, and concerning. Good video.
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
@@BoudiciaDark Cool
If i get that right most satanist churches come fromactivism,so of course, i guessits inbaked to likely be there. Very generalizing.
And i guess itmakes sense to be that deepintoanarchist and humanist philosophy, but nice.
I personally think its interesting, but not as religion through i very agree. with pretty much near everything. And coolphilosophizing humanist anarchist.
But i know it
ijust agree tht its more interesting thanmost religions. But mainly because i respect it but, its then .
Ok its silly of me butreminds me of star trek.
Butdothe good work ireally respect what you do.
“Satanism” as its referrred to here is just a form of activism for the separation of Church and State. There are no real beliefs and it isn’t really a religion. The seven tenets are just Barnum statements.
I think People get luciferians and satanists mixed up. Luciferians are the ones who are genuinely just horrible people. Satanist are atheist who rebel against Christianity.
Drew and the guests were so well spoken. Such a pleasure to listen to this conversation.
It was actually quite moving to see you so moved, man. Somehow, "The Revolt of the Angels" had snuck by me underneath my radar, probably in large part because I, too, while understanding that The Satanic Temple was a pluralistic and well-meaning organization involved in a lot of activism to do with causes that I feel pretty deeply, hadn't paid enough attention to them to even check out their website and get tipped off about this book, either.
So my thanks to you for your awesome work in general and the interview I just watched and thanks to them, too. I've downloaded the book through Project Gutenberg and will be hitting that soon.
Again, thank you so much!
I’m always so proud to be a card-carrying member of TST. I’m absolutely beaming with pride reading the comments right now ❤ May your pursuits stay noble, everyone, and I hope you all have peace. Thanks for sharing, Drew. You’re a badass.
I'm no longer a TST member for some internal politics reasons but I'm still a very avid and happy Satanist, or student of Lucifier.
I, too, am a card carrying member and find it refreshing that more and more people are beginning to open up to the ideas surrounding TST. It is going a long way to alleviating some of the stigma brought on by the 'Satanic Panic'.
Arrogance and pride will be your downfall. My the blind are lost and refuse to see. Led by the wolf in sheeps clothing.
@@ReveredDead Take a seat at the back of the short bus, princess. Learn how to spell your nonsense before you rebuke.
@@ReveredDead I'm not an arrogant person and being proud of my beliefs will never be a downfall. I like wolves. Sheep are goofy.
I find your channel refreshing. I was raised in a southern Baptist environment. Fear of hellfire was the reason to conform. We weren't as fundamentalist as you. But it was enough to leave a scar that puts a lump in my chest when I look up info on satanism or see symbiology. The movie The Witch was especially creepy to me. I know as someone who has been in the deep end of fundamentalism you have a perspective that's worth hearing.
this may be a strange connection, but the dream satan has reminds me a lot of the latter third of the 'green knight' film from a24. holding onto power and refusing to bend to kindness and empathy damages the protagonist of the film, and satan, in much the same way, chooses to walk away from that outcome. this was a really interesting discussion, thank you guys!
you know that the green knight is an actual tale right. and that theme exists in the original work
The tension between goodness and greatness is an evergreen theme.
I adored that movie.
Gawain is a flawed hero, but he learns and grows and will do the right thing after he has tried to do the wrong thing and discovered it won't achieve anything good.
I hope in the end he survived and became a good knight but there is no guarantee.
@zicklane the theme was there, but the ecent was not. The actual encounter was very very different.
Having a hard time watching this as an Ex-christian. The way Satan's dream played out and the way he described himself reminded me of the way my pastor described demons and devils' approach to coaxing humans, for a second I had a moment of regression where I pondered if I was being conned into something by the devil. Its since passed, but was not a fun experience.
Oof, I definitely know what you mean. I have those moments, although much less than I used to. I appreciate you watching and wish you the best on working through latent Christianity
the relationship between a king and his people is the same as the one between husband and wife.
@@acuerdox Husbands take their wife's money and send them to war?
@@krusk3544 basically, the king goes to war too, but his role is to chose the direction of action, and lead from the front. And a wife doesnt pay taxes with money, but with work.
@@krusk3544 its also the same as a relationships between boss and employee, a husband could tell his wife "Im a better employee than you're a wife" and it would apply.
Growing up in a Louisiana French catholic culture and rejecting it when I was 12, 50 years ago, this book was never spoke of even being a predominately French literary work. I have studied many religions through the years but never found enough unbiased literature to study Satanism. This is very refreshing to hear the true beliefs of Satanism and not the hatred christianity regurgitates about anything that is not of their belief which dominates the book shelves of the US.
This definitely helped me to better understand the intentions and ideals of Satanism. It seems in a roundabout way, all of the oppressive religions are converting members for TST. So I would expect the popularity of both types of religions to remain positively linked unless we somehow reverted to a less knowledgeable paradigm.
I don't think it has anything to do with spirituality... it's about the current corruption and greed... which has infested every aspect of human existence... including the churches (the supposed last bastions of humanism from a world filled with evil), with the church officials in sex abuse scandals, massive embezzlement cases and G-d knows what else...
It's understandable why people who still hunger for biblical spirituality take this esoteric route to what is basically economic rebellion against corrupt arseholes.
Spirituality and condemning bad religions... porque no los dos?
@@Ozzie_Mandias Sure, but what biblical spirituality?
Will John 17:20, John 14:12 and Matthew 17:20, suddenly become widely true, again?
And was 2 Samuel 24, for example, ever - spiritual? Or Judges 21.
@@chrissonofpear1384 What do you mean?
@@Ozzie_Mandias I mean, will 'these things and greater than I' be done? Or some form of mountain move (a bit showy, maybe)
But mountains of food for Africa - that sure, might help.
Will John 17:20 be literally true, again? Has not been, for centuries, in certain ways.
And was 2 Samuel 24, spiritual, or merciful?
And Judges 21 - captives, included.
I learned about the Satanic Temple just last night. Great timing. I find myself agreeing with them more than most religions I’ve looked into. I always did find Satan the hero of the Bible for granting us knowledge. I guess I’ll be a non-theistic Quaker-Satanist.
Traditionally in Christian theology and Judaism the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents knowledge of evil.
@@andrewwilson9183 What exactly does the "knowing of evil" mean? Knowing it exists? The loss of innocence but maintained by ignorance? I know it says if they ate they would be like the ones that created them.. was it so they could be easily manipulated?
@@sharon_rose724
I don’t know, that’s what they say. All I know is that it isn’t good knowledge
@@sharon_rose724i think it comes down to how certain people (especially the authors of the bible) view the world. Knowledge could be evil if it "causes the degradation of society as we know it," or perhaps the knowledge was evil in the eyes of the christian god because it allowed eve to rebel.
Personally I don't think it's possible for knowledge in itself to be bad, it's how people use it and how people see it through the lens of their time. Even something a lot of people wouldn't want to know, like the day they'll unequivocally, definitely die, it's just neutral information
@@andrewwilson9183 i don't think that there is any knowledge that is "not good" in its own right, it's human actions that make ideas get tinted by morals
I am a Jewish and practice judasim and I found books like this fascinating and agree with a lot of points in this.
What an incredibly moving passage. I will definitely have to read this for myself.
When I first deconverted, I also felt that hatred of Christianity, wishing it could just vanish. But as I calmed down, I realized that it is not "Christianity" that causes the evil in the world. It is us. It's humans. That evil is within all of us, and in that same position of power, we would do the same things.
It's incredibly reaffirming to see this text reflect that same thought. Absolute power corrupts. Hearing that text actually gives me more sympathy for the Christian god, I see him less as an inherently evil, selfish being. But a reflection of mankind. If I was in his exact position, I would do just as he did. To deny that would be silly.
Did god create man in his image or was it the other way around?
The Christian God isn’t human
From the Christian perspective, the reason why power corrupts in humans is because we are not God, and that the corruption of power, represents the most deadly of the seven deadly sins of pride.
@G DW18 I think it's the other way around ;) but thats just my opinion
@@andrewwilson9183 That's something that I've heard sometimes from my religious relatives, but at the same time it's something I can't quite solve in my head, it baffles me as a paradox. On one hand, God is supposed to be the creator of the Universe and everything in it, including humans, and so every imperfection, every tendency and desire that is inherent to humans is a part of His nature and His intent. But on the other hand, humans are inherently sinful and corruptible because they are not God?
To my thinking, it has two possible answers that would not be entirely in conflict with the Christian philosophy: either God did not create us, just came along to sheperd us at some point; or He once was just as vulnerable and faillable as us, but then transcended it, and now is trying to teach us to do the same.
I'm not so sure about that last part. Absolute power is ridiculously hard to use responsibly even if you wanted to, and in general, the desire for that power can be a corrupting influence as well, but over all, power is not the only thing that shapes who we are. I would not want to wield absolute power; I would regard it as a burden and a responsibility that I could not possibly live up to. The people who would see it as desirable, meanwhile, are those who would see wielding power as a benefit in itself. Anyone who does that is not going to wield it responsibly. To put it another way, power is most appealing to the corrupt. Anyone who would _want_ that level of power is someone that the rest of the world very much would want to not have it. Anyone who the rest of the world would want to hold that power would view it as a horrific burden and a source of alienation, and probably would not be able to handle the burden for long. To put it yet another way, to be able to hold such power, one must be or become corrupt and uncaring. Anyone who is not so will abdicate, until eventually someone who is corrupt takes that position. No one, thus, should hold that power.
While I am reluctant to identify myself as belonging to any particular ideology, doctrine, tradition etc, mythological or otherwise, there is none I have discovered that I feel such internal resonance with than the Promethean principles expressed by Anatole France in the masterpiece that is Revolt of the Angels. I feel that TST has beautifully and intelligently adapted the message of the text into an overarching guiding ethical and rational framework embodied in abstraction by the Eternal Rebel. I feel such kinship with this archetypal spirit and deeply appreciate the work you put into this video. As a fellow ex-christian it was moving to watch. Thank you for helping others to understand more clearly the widely misunderstood figure of Satan as he is embraced by TST and like-minded people. The values he represents are to my mind so integral to the achievement of true liberty and human flourishing. Much much love, hail Satan and be well ❤
TST is not good, they contantly spread lies and misrepresent satanism, and there are a lot of p3dos in the organization, what makes it worse is that they allow children to become members
Getting kicked out of Sunday school when I was 6 for having the audacity to ask why Satan was the “bad guy” for testing and punishing the wicked. Well, after calling my teacher an ignorant b*#%! After she called me evil and kicking me out I knew our definition of evil wasnt the same. I’ve been confused since so I give fealty to nothing but myself. Safer that way. I give nothing dominion over me myself and I. That’s the holy trinity. Power of 3, vested in me.
That happened
Christ wants a relationship with you more than anything, but you must give yourself up for him to save you
Based GMS posting this on Easter Sunday 👍👍👍
i don't know if this has been mentioned yet but drew is really a very good interviewer. asking interesting questions and letting his guests actually speak are things you don't see too often yet i can appreciate.
As soon as you explained what this video was about, I pushed pause and had to read the book for myself first. Just finished it this morning, and I am floored in all the right ways. It’s a beautiful and poetic and though-provoking, feeling-provoking read, and it ultimately doesn’t surprise me that it’s so good-France was a Nobel Prize winner for his work, after all! Thank you for introducing me to this author and this profound text. I echo your praise and unqualified recommendation of the book. So grateful for your work and the opportunity to continue to expand my own mind and consciousness! Thank you!!!
I see parallels between this book and the Philip Pullman triology "His Dark Materials" which also is set in a situation about a second rebellion of Angels against God - who in this trilogy is referred to as "The Authority".
Philip Pullman is heavily inspired by Milton's "Paradise Lost", which also depicts a rebellion against God. This poem is written in the 17th century and has been very important for many who have later written about Satan's role in Christianity. It is very likely among the inspirations for Anatole France in the video as well.
I was also thinking of His Dark Materials when watching the video, and was basically scrolling until I found another comment that mentioned this.
Honestly, if Santanist ever wanted to, they could adopt and make the "Book of Enoch" canonical, (I have been upset at Christianity for not making that book cannocle for years despite its relevance to the actual bible.) Since the literal fact that it talks about the first falling of the angles before the rebellion, the first witches, and the nephelim which are apparently giants, and how that may or may not be related to giants in the roman mythology
There are a lot of books not canonical because The Church can't make money off of them. You can't maintain a 'flock of sheep' off of 'split a piece of wood'. Anything that gives the masses their free will is taken out.
But "Enoch" is the text that gave us the scaegoating tradition of Satanizing in the first place.
Satanists don't want to adopt the Book of Enoch because it affirms the Bible, exposes Satanists, and prophesies Satan and his followers destruction.
@@cheriremily9360 The Bible itself affirms and teaches man's free will. God doesn't take away anyone's free will to break His Law. But He does punish those who break it. Neither does the government force people to obey the law. But they do punish those who break it.
Furthermore, the Bible identifies false brethren (false Christians) who infiltrate the Church and make merchandise of the people as false teachers who are going to Hell.(2 Peter 2, below) So many people don't read the Bible themselves, but have been taught by the very false teachers whom Jesus warned us about. As a result, they assess things in error.
_"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as _*_there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,_*_ even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 _*_And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not..._*_ Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 which have forsaken the right way... _*_These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever."_*_ --2 Peter 2_
First book of Enoch is the only one found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. The word Grigori is what turns into Giant over time, but the translation means Watcher. The Watchers who come with Shemihaza give gifts that are identical to the gifts given by the gods at the wedding of Zeus and Pandora (Sorcery, Swords and the like). Aza then rebels against Shemihaza when Shemihaza sets himself up as Elohim. Aza gaining the title of Lord (El) and becoming Azael shows how the ancient people appreciated his defiance against the Malevolent One (Elohim or Yaldabaoth).
The book of Job is very mistranslated and depicts Satan and the Sons of Elohim trying to turn Job away from Yahweh and to turn to Elohim.
There is an argument that Yaldabaoth (Elohim) and Yahweh (God) have been mixed to the point that no one should tell you how you should live or pray when they themselves don't even know Elohim isn't Yahweh.
You read this waaaay better than any other person I've listened to! Please consider doing an audiobook for your patreons or to buy.
If God is, per definition, Good. Then I think evil is better for mankind.
"Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb" - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs
Religious people say God controls everything and then religious people also say God gave free will ( to make the god escape from his responsibilities),the free will argument actually contradicts the argument that God controls everything
If you’d thought about that comment for two more seconds you’d see how dumb that actually sounds.
@@mukesh2397 Free will or Free choice ?
@@elijahtrent21 Does it count as free choice if you where intentionally made to choose what you do?
Since as many seem to miss, god is omniscient, therefore he knows the future
I've been a fan of this work for years! Pleasing to know more people will be reading it now that you've released this video.
I love TST 🖤 Thank you for covering this in a great way. I dont follow any religion, but if i were going to, it would be TST. Its message sits with me all around more solidily than any other religion I've researched and thought about. Plus the work they do for the community ACTUALLY HELPS and is things I support myself. Thank you TST for all you do for the community ❤
the satanic temple is NOT a religious organization as they have nothing to do with satanism.
TST was created as a ''fake religion'' for a mockumentary that was titled ''the satanic temple'' and Lucien greaves was the casting director.
they use satanism and satanic imagery to gain attention and the POLITICAL organization TST is now a cashgrab.
to further this claim is that their website claims they don't believe in a literal satan but when the TST website was created in 2013 it was SPECIFICALLY created to worship the devil.
Lucien himself has also stated that TST is satire and a ''darker yes men.''
the ONLY correct satanic organization is the Church Of Satan as their former leader Anton LaVey codified the religion of satanism in 1966, and there are several academic studies proving that. the Church Of Satan does not condone what TST does nor do they accept TST as a satanic organization
Partner bought the TV series Lucifer on DVD. We are watching two or three episodes every day in some kind of binge. I am surprised at how much is directly lifted from this book.
The comics that the TV series is very loosely based off of does so to an even greater degree imho. Definitely would recommend
@@TheLostArchangel666 Well really, what work by Gaiman couldn't you recommend? Love that dude. And yeah, the books are even better. Still Lucifer's great for a laugh.
Gaimans books are 100% different from the tv show. He is from both Jewish and Scientology families. Those were inspiring his worlds. I thoroughly recommend both Lucifer and the Sandman stories. Those are so precious.
Bradypus tridactylus
Lucifer in the show does seem to be on the same sort of path as Arcade.
But there are differences since Lucifer is a very privileged person while Arcade is a guardian angel, the lowest form of life in The Celestial Kingdom.
@@charisma-hornum-fries how bout that werewolf detective in innsmouth...and baywatch?and that thing with the angels who invented love?
great stuff. thank you for upholding that high level of quality. i find myself coming back to yours and esoterica's videos
This was immensely beautiful! I must go off and read it. Thank you for introducing it!
I've always meant to read this book and would genuinely listen to an audiobook version of you reading it, since it's in the public domain. If you were to do a deeper dive and analysis of the whole book, I'd love to watch a video on that as well!
I've been watching for a while now but this one made me subscribe. I've been wading through decades of skepticism so I really enjoyed watching how compelling you found this book.
This sounds like it was definitely an inspiration for the “his dark materials” book series, which was later adapted into a series on Amazon prime. Very similar premise.
Leading rebellion does not mean fighting a war. Also means turning away from other beliefs and following your own.
Thanx for the revelation
What I heard here reminds of the ST:TNG episode peak performance data(Satan), playing a strategy game with a (God)zakdorn, loses and can't figure out how he lost. Eventually he realizes that instead of trying to win he should go for a stalemate. So in this instance for Satan to actually "win" he should just maintain a balance.
Just so.
The moral of the story seems to be that winning is really losing.
Or as Yeats had it,
"The beggars have changed places
But the lash goes on."
This was pretty cool, I found it very informative. I'm gonna watch you more often.
My TST Congregation recently hosted a book club meeting on TRotA. We had a very fun and insightful look at the text and learned a lot. This is great to see this after discussing the book so deeply.
What's TRotA?
@Veneficia ah ok. Thanks
@@thejohn6614 The Revolt of the Angels
@@TheNinthGeneration1 thanks
The bible 2: the pre post prequel looks lit, might read it for myself at some point
The Bible 2 - Satanic Boogaloo 😄
Very interesting conversation.
I love the way GMS pronounces Yaldabaoth really fast, as if it weren't a jawbreaker.
I started looking into TST when they wanted to put their statue up in Oklahoma and I've been in love with their organization ever since. Not to mention what they are currently doing for women's rights. TST is a godsend lol.
The ungodsend, if you will
I have Discovered Your an amazing and Great channel around 2 weeks ago, I've watched a handful of your videos lately and I have been Astonished by the Fact how Smart and Educated overall you are as a Person! Keep pushing yourself beyond your limits, Much love
I don’t believe in any organized religion. To me this is just as weird as any of the others.
I recently saw a video by Pax Tube on why the crusades were "awesome", would love to see you do a cover on the crusades!
I am glad to be coming to this, and am interested in learning more.
Happy Easter!
you too!
@@hyrulehollowtitan9657 thanks!
Just went down the yaldabaoth rabbit-hole, and I am floored. What a revelation!
This is one of the best UA-cam vids I've ever watched! Thanks so much!
TST would be a lot cooler if they weren't suing 4 former members in federal court, in what is arguably a SLAPP case, for criticizing the leadership on facebook for not living up to their own principles, refiling multiple times after multiple judges dismissed the claims.
It feels like this also had an influence on His Dark Materials which I just recently finished. Very interesting.
Definitely. His Dark Materials quite often directly quotes or mentions John Milton's "Paradise Lost", too, which in turn inspired Anatole France.
Haven't watched the vid yet but opening UA-cam to find that you released a video about Satanism on Easter is the best Easter gift ever! So excited to watch! :)
The pagan gods are the good guys? I'm Pagan and I haven't heard of this book before. Have to check it out. Indeed, we have to defeat the Ialdabaoth within. Reminds me of that Confucian parable about the two dogs - which do you feed?
The friendly one!! Same with native Amerucans. Only with wolves instead of dogs.
I was also incredibly moved by this book, particularly the end with Satan’s Dream. Just glancing at those passages puts tears in my eyes.
Few things fueled my deconversion like doind a character study on how different cultures through the centuries view Lucifer/Satan/Devil/etc. That the angel was at best was that one teacher known for pop quizzes that tested obedience to moral law and at worst a slave entity made to worship a malevolent sociopath who was punished for failing to break his own programming and give the boss enough stars when he had to review the latest creation.
Very interesting. I've been wondering, what your thoughts on Mythvision are and how he is taking apart the mythology of Christianity.
Mythvision is great! He’s doing an awesome job making critical scholarship more accessible. Derek has helped lots of channels like mine find scholars to work with too. Seriously respect that hustle.
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Right on, that's awesome! Been following you guys the past year. I got my mind blown on your video regarding hell, when you made the trip out to the valley of Hinnom. Keep it up man! Went from a confused raised Christian kid searching for the truth, to a lot happier fence sitting agnostic.
Thank you Drew, somehow i missed this video, but now ive watched it, and i just prdered this book, i will read it, then comeback and comment again!
I'll have to give this a read. It reminds me thematically of His Dark Materials, one of my favorite book series.
Whatever anyone wants to do, I say knock yourself out, but I don't feel the need to take on an image that comes from the same mythology that oppressed me, even if it is the *rebel* character. I'd rather just be a label-less nonbeliever. That said, I do appreciate TST's political activism, but most christians are not going to get the point. They will be too deafened by the alarm bells in their heads going off upon hearing the word satan.
Christians will never get the point, that's not the purpose of it
The purpose of modern satanism is to use the same rules the church does to counter their abuse of the law
Very true. I have a personal anecdote that may illustrate the same point further. Once, when I was a Christian, I found a copy of the Necronomicon at a swap meet and picked it up. The sensations I felt were repulsive, like all kinds of disgusting bug-like vermin were crawling around just beneath the cover. I don't think I even opened the book and it was the only book I wanted to destroy. My religious indoctrination overwhelmed my curiosity and love of knowledge.
I agree, not planning on joining, though I appreciate them. I think the fact that Christians WILL misunderstand the imagery of Satan is part of the point, though. It's meant to be shocking, and confusing. It helps to point out the hypocrisy of the dominant religion when they lobby for equal representation in public spaces. A Satanic display is exactly what Christians would not want displayed publicly, and yet under law they must accept it. It's not as effective a troll if their symbol is something else. However, the image of Satan is culturally so fraught, I can't help but wonder if it's a mistake. I do not believe Satan is a real entity, but I personally do not want to be wearing a symbol of evil personified as a badge of honor.
The alarm bells are part of the point of TST. Christians don't respect Atheism or Humanism as valid beliefs because they don't hold a supernatural element. Ultimately, many Christians believe Atheists and Humanists are just Christians who are pissed at Jesus because they just love sinning so much. Declaring yourself a Satanist however carries much more weight for them because it means you are a Believer, but you play for the other team. You are the enemy, your soul is owned by Satan and you are actively working against them in their Spiritual War. TST isn't trying to get Christians to understand their point of view but respect it.
@@zemorph42 tbf, if i was a superstitious at all, i would know better than to open the necronomicon of all things
Not out of disgust, but just out of common sense
Same way you don't play with a gun
OOOOH, can't wait to see you in Boston. Great video. Thanks.
I really like the idea that Jesus and Lucifer were originally both referring to the same person or concept. Lucifer meaning shining one or light bearer and Jesus saying he is the light in the book of john. That sin (anything against god) is necessary, as god is what brought evil into the world and allowed it to take root. While really this has no evidence to stand on besides the romancing of such ideas, it makes much more sense to me that the rebel against god is the same person (or concept) that rebelled against societal thinking (i.e. hanging with prostitutes, lepers, and caring for the poor).
Honestly it wouldnt surprise me if over many years we completely mistranslated everything even past the dead sea scrolls and these books tell entirely different stories from the original traditions, maybe never being intended to be religious at all. Would love to see a modern take revolving around this idea.
Don't know who "said" it but, you are going to hell for one sin or a thousand. Try for the record. 😊
Exactly the direction in which our minds need to open. The problem is not who sits at the throne, it is the *need of a throne* within ourselves that we must address. Not wishing for a better master, instead seeking to be free of slavery and the patterns that give rise to tyrannical power. Satan is so wise at the end here.
As a strong, longtime antitheist (I grew up in the Pentecostal church, my grandfather and Uncle were Pastora and I realised it was entirely bullshit by age 11) I found this very interesting, and very inspiring. I don't think I'd ever describe myself as a Satanist or even become involved with TST, but the ideas certainly speak to my own thinking and efforts to self justify or perhaps quantify my upbringing when I was younger verses my actual moral beliefs at the time, and definitely stand parallel to current moral beliefs. Excellent presentation, thank you so much for putting this together.
I think the way I see TST is they are one of two things. A place for, or a stepping stone between people who were religious to/and those who aren't, so they can transition without the immediate lack of any ceremony or belief at all. For people who love the community, the good done, and/or the ceremony of an organized religion, but have fallen out of love with a god of any kind. People who want to live for themselves while helping others who can't do just that, to do just that. I would join but I don't need the crutch as I have never really believed in a god. I researched many religions in hopes of actually believing in any of them but at the end of the day, the rituals felt immature or silly to me. I felt ridiculous preying and talking to myself at night. I felt so silly laying there pretending I could have an out-of-body experience, when the most I was doing was causing my eyes muscle strain while they were closed from looking upward too far. I felt uncomfortable with biblical verses, or singing from the Torah... it all just felt so, wrong. So I don't feel like I need something like TST personally.
That said, I do love what they're doing for their communities, the people who do need them, and society in general with how they fight against an impending theocracy. It helps that I live in Canada, but honestly, we're only a step or so behind the US in everything going to proverbial hell so...
If you haven't read it, I recommend the Lucifer Comic series. The original 75 issue run deals with a lot of the themes that it sounds like The Revolt of the Angels does.
Lucifer from DC?
@@ashajacob8362 Yeah! It spins out of Sandman if you're familiar.
Ok, I guess I’m adding this book to my reading list! Being a rather Prometheus-minded person myself, I’ve often felt that if I was gonna join a religion this would be it. But I don’t join religions... I guess being a Subgenius is the closest I can get to taking religiosity seriously.
Which father banishes his own son(creation) to pits of hell just because he said no to some things which he was asked to do
Guess God has more ego than devil himself
This is a great video to watch on Easter Sunday lol jokes aside I love the content and this video was a great overview of what the satanic temple is really about
Your courage and curiosity are praiseworthy.
nothing like a little GMS about Satanism on Easter morning 🤘
I am an anti theist, meaning I believe we are better off without religion, having said that, I believe as well this goal should be achieved by reason, not by force. I am not going to try to convert religious people, but I hope to be a spark for them to leave their religious beliefs behind, if they're willing to discuss it.
Yeah. It’s frustrating, and I especially struggle dealing rationally with religion all around me, but we cannot win through force.
OK but "Goth ACLU" is a better brand than many world religions.
Jokes aside, this was an incredible deep dive. I can appreciate the literary and intellectual connections between Anatole France and later developments, I had no idea that this work was revered as such. How neat.
I actually haven't really heard of this book. I DEFINITELY want to give it a read now. I generally like Satanism. I was personally very moved by The Satanic Bible. After I left Catholicism I was able to fairly easily move on from a lot of its teachings and had made some good progress by the time I picked up The Satanic Bible. The Satanic Bible just helped knock off some of the more stubborn bits of useless mental debris I had collected from Catholicism. It's an amazing book and I really could recommend it to anyone but particularly for ex Christians. It just really helped me really let go of Catholicism more fully. Reading it doesn't mean you should or will be a Satanist. It's just a great pallet cleanser. And I do still hold some of the idea from that book. Very empowering and self loving. Self-respecting.
I dig what you’re saying and I completely agree except the church of Satan (satanic Bible) has literally nothing to do with this book by the satanic temple!! They actually don’t support TST at all so pls don’t get them confused !!
I officially left church last week.
But even if you don't think about religion at all, this book is quite intriguing on a purely philosophical stance.
You would have made a better narrator for this book than the Audible one.
I’m glad it’s available since I almost exclusively listen to books, but the performance seriously lacked. It is public domain so I’ve thought about producing an audio version of my own, but with someone more professional than me narrating.
I thought it was gonna be some edgy nonsense, but that stuff about the wrongness of scapegoating and of fighting against fear/tyranny in our own hearts… good stuff
If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. They keep trying to make it into films/tv shows. Forgo all that and just read the books. The ending of the third book is incredibly poignant and relevant to this video.
After so many bad ones, it's actually really funny seeing an interview where someone is fair and understands TST 😂 This dude totally gets it.
19:10: _The more you perceive yourself as morally superior, as a thoroughly morally good person, the less morally you may actually act._
A very important sentence.
Wow, brother! Love your work! Thank you for this book recommendation. This is a masterpiece!🎉
I think it's important to keep in mind that ' the revolt of angels' is a satire. The moment it's taken to seriously it misses the mark.
pretty sure satires aren't meant to be taken seriously doesn't mean it's not important or very critical to our society
@@ghostagent3552 I'm not saying it's not important. . I'm just saying that the religious & supernatural theme of the story is not to be taken seriously.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 That's kinda the point of it being adopted as a "sacred" text by the Temple, isn't it? Religious and supernatural themes are metaphors and should not be taken literally.
@@bartolomeothesatyr Yes, but metaphors & underlying subtleties have a tendency to be misunderstood or overlooked. When more & more people with different views join overtime, ideas can change. What started out as 'sacred' with a wink, can end up as being Sacred with a capital S .
@@spiritualanarchist8162 That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's much of a concern with an org whose entire canonical literary corpus consists of the philosophical rejection of dogma.
TST is kinda weird for me. On one hand, I’m not sure if I can bring myself to join the actual organization given some bad/questionable things I’ve heard about its top leadership. On the other hand, I agree with basically everything TST teaches and I found this video extremely encouraging and inspiring.
Regardless, I’m glad that there are people like Dex and Chalice to discuss these ideas and I definitely feel myself being drawn closer to Satanism as time goes by. I’ll definitely have to read the book!
Out of curiosity what are the bad things floating around about their leadership? I feel like if I try googling it I'll be flooded with Christian sources which obviously are hugely biased.
You could look onto Church of satan
what things have you heard?