Haille Deegan is the one to watch today. She's every bit as attractive as Danica, but she grew up racing stock cars and they aren't rushing her into a top ride in the Cup series. Her good looks and sponsorship opportunities could put her there tomorrow, but she's still very young and has all the time in the world to progress. I'm pretty confident she'll be the first woman to win a NASCAR Cup race.
Hailie actually grew up racing on dirt, not stock cars. She transitioned to late models at the age of 16. Dirt usually translates better to stock cars than open wheel.
Danica Patrick was not the biggest bust or the worst driver in NASCAR history, but she definitely is the most notable. All the hype, all the buildup, and the fact that she was a media darling made what would be an average failure of a career into a circus.
You can say what you want about her driving skills. I think most people would say she was mediocre at best in Nascar. But Indycar and Nascar both used her for the huge publicity she brought to both series along with the marketing money I’m sure she brought in. That’s why she got rides with big teams who could afford to put her in the car regardless of skill and benefit from her popularity. She was one of the biggest names in Nascar beyond skill and they know it. Even Drake noted that in his Espy award show song.
One of the big reasons NASCAR fans had problems with Danica was her attitude, as seen in both her confrontation with Denny Hamlin and with the fans there. To use a current-ish term, she had a very "Karen" attitude, where everything that went wrong was somebody else's fault, never admitting to cases where she got herself in over her head or made a dumb move or just got behind on her steering and couldn't catch back up. Then, you can add in that she was getting a lot of money from GoDaddy solely based on sex appeal (if you ever watched any of their commercials from when they were sponsoring her, it was pure T&A exploitation), and that because of that money and NASCAR's desire to be diverse and inclusive, she was consistently getting rides in very good equipment while better drivers were struggling to even reach the Cup series, and you get a lot of ill will built up among fans. The attitude apparently extended to sponsors, too--late in her career, when her car was being sponsored by health food company Nature's Bounty, she went out and started personally endorsing other, competing food products. Even though Nature's Bounty had screwed up in not putting a clause prohibiting her from doing so in the sponsorship contract, it was still pretty dirty dealing and generally considered a completely classless move on her part to knowingly endorse her primary sponsor's competition, and it meant that when Nature's Bounty dropped her at the end of the season, she had trouble finding new sponsors from there on out.
It is rare for a driver who transitions from open wheel to do well in Nasxar. The same can be said for the rare Nascar driver to do well in open wheel cars. I believe that the techniques,the approach,the handling and general attitudes between the two are vastly different.
She got 5 years because of all the money she was bringing in. In Nascar, the best cars don't always go to the best drivers, it goes to who can bring in the most funding
It's a bit of both. Sometimes talent is just too good to let it go. Kyle Larson, Kyle Busch are examples of talent that is going to go through no matter what they do.
NASCAR is WAY bigger in the U.S. than the open wheels. Pays more, more sponsorships, bigger sponsors, more TV coverage. But racing in general is on a downhill trend here.
It doesn't help that she didn't make many friends on track. People wouldn't give her a break on track because they didn't like her. Overall a combo of her own struggles and some real bad luck
Im no Danica fan but i wont go out and say she was the biggest bust ever. She could have never lived up to the hype she brought with her. Everyone expected her to compete while never ever even driving any type of Stock car and she was a cart/open wheel driver all her life before Nascar. Also most of those crashes she had in the video as you saw were flat tires and or not her fault. Once a tire goes flat in a Nascar you lose all control of the car. I will say she wasnt a good driver but how could she have been with such low experience. I feel is she started in the truck series and worked her way up to Nascar from there she would have been a good and or decent driver. One last thing there are people who have raced longer than her and have worst stats than her. Also i was never a fan of hers cause she seem to have that Better than you attitude.
29:00 they were booing her for not signing autographs. The team I believe was headed to the garage before a race. I've gotta admit while everyone gets booed she's got a point.
Nascar is one of the few race series in world that does not require visual safety equipment such side view mirrors, headlights or brake lights. The last few seasons with adding of more road courses they started having windshield wiper and rain tires required. Nascar doesn't usually race the ovals when raining. A lot of the Indy drivers that come to Nascar are considered road course ringers because of experience. Nice drivers don't last long unless they're very talented or bring a lot of money or sponsors. Danica was the latter. Money and sponsors. Even the nice ones have the kill mode built in. One the more photogenic drivers. If that could win races pretty sure she'd still b racing.
Danica had her moments, every driver does. She just had some really bad luck... She wasn't a great driver but she wasn't as bad as people make her look
Danica Patrick wasn't a terrible driver she's weighed 90 pounds less than everybody else made it hard to set up the car to compensate for the weight loss ,so it could compete in the cup series. Other women are also having trouble with the same thing in the truck series,they won races but only in lower Nascar series like ARCA. The truck,and Xfinity series and the cup series are all on a higher level.
Technically I’m the biggest bust in NASCAR history since I never got a ride lol. Her story should be told as a cautionary tale. She’s not the first, and won’t be the last. Very few have ever been good enough to compete, let alone win, in the massively opposite types of racing that is Formula 1/Indy car vs Nascar. The thing I see most often is a lack of understanding that the skills do not translate. Stock car drivers are used to blocking and bump drafting basically using their car as a weapon to pass other drivers. You can hardly pass through a corner in F1. The open wheel drivers trying to come over to stock cars tend to have difficulty with the constantly out of control but in control style of oval racing. F1 Has to constant change elevation where Nascar drivers have to deal with different banking/camber. Stock cars are usually about twice as heavy and have hardly any downforce. The entire purpose in open wheel is what team has stayed within the rules and created the most downforce. The disciplines couldn’t be any further on opposite side of the spectrum.
3:25 The Late Dan Wheldon (1978-2011), Irish decent from Buckinghamshire, passed away on the same year that he won Indy 500 in 2011, due to a major crash in Las Vegas, the season finale. He also won in 2005, the one where Danica actually finished.
Indycar was more prestigious in the 80s and 90s, but that tide turned in the late 90s when NASCAR became more popular (arguably with the rise of Jeff Gordon, the first major non-southerner to be a championship contender) in the late 90s and 00's. NASCARs popularity in the mid 00's was insane. Danica did have a lot of bad luck, but she also didn't help herself early on by having habits from open wheel racing. In open wheel racing if you lose the car you let go of the steering wheel to protect yourself. In stock cars you don't do that, and in many cases you can save the car. She never did early on due to her experience as an open wheeler. It takes them a lot of practice to stop that habit.
Money man. She got 5 years because she was top 3 in merchandise sales all five years. She was a story that everyone gobbled up. Also I met her in the infield at Atlanta in 2017 when she was letting her dogs out to go to the bathroom and one broke away and came running over to me and my friends. Thought she would be rude or mean but she actually came over and hung out with us for 15 minutes talking about her dogs and our dogs and what we were doing that weekend, super nice the whole time. I think it’s cause most people treated her as a celebrity and we didn’t, we just acted like she was a regular human being and I think Danica respected that. It’s my favorite story of hers because so many people have said how rude and mean she is to fans, but it’s all about respect given versus respect earned. She gained respect from me as a person that day.
I only followed her career during her Indy days, but it really seems like she was one of those people who bought into her own fame. She made her name in Indy and got popular and sought the bigger bucks with NASCAR. I don't fault her in seeking that, but at least based on these clips (which granted there's probably slight bias to get his point across) it seems like with her fame, she thought she was better than she actually was in NASCAR, and the big teams signing her probably just enabled that ego.
At those high speeds, a little tap by another car will send your car out of control. And one must remember that even with great brakes the car cannot stop on a dime. Accidents happen to everyone. The only difference is her accidents made the headlines due to her gender.
I remember when she completely left Indycar the driver that replaced her (James Hinchcliffe) was still in the GoDaddy green car and earned the nickname “Manica”!
The guy that made the original vid gets on my nerves a bit with this one. Most of the accidents she had in this vid weren’t even her fault. She either got collected in others accidents, was strait up punted or had wrecks that really weren’t her fault like the blown tires or the shoe that screwed up her steering. Now don’t get me wrong, she wasn’t that good in NASCAR and she did have plenty of bone headed mistakes but she also wasn’t nearly as bad as this vid tries to show her to be
That's pretty standard for his NASCAR Busts series; he shows *all* the wrecks and DNFs, whether or not they were the featured driver's fault or not. A driver can be a bust as much for just having the bad luck to get caught up in other people's wrecks as for crashing on their own, after all...
Danica wasn't as much a bust as much as people had unreal expectations for her. She had one win in the IndyCar series before coming to NASCAR, which makes her the winningest woman in the history of American open-wheel racing. I would say she's no worse of a bust than Juan Pablo Montoya, who has a resume full of success outside of NASCAR. Indy 500 (twice), CART series champion, Monaco, 24 hours of Daytona (three times), but 9 years of NASCAR he had 2 wins in 255 races and finished most seasons somewhere in the 20s in standings.
Her driving wasn't the greatest, but the drivers in Nascar cut her no slack. Half of the crashes she was in she was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think her attitude got the best of her. Open wheel cars are a lot different that a stock car. Danica crashed a lot. 1 of her biggest problems was she was not good at correcting her steering.
I see what you arr saying about a lessor known team. Problem is that GoDaddy money was so huge it could afford a top tier car. Therefore she had no choice but to spend GoDaddy money with JR Motorsports. Dale gave her fabulous equilment. The day she was going to win on a road coarse, some idiot threw a shoe onto the race coarse. As gast as she was going she could not see it and ran over it. The shoe damadged her car and I think it happend in the last few laps and she was out of the race. She was leading. A lot of times when she was not getting wrecked by others, she actually did pretty good
She was a Fair driver, but was promoted to get more female fans into racing so to make more money and boost merchandise sales. She was promoted as a woman who busted down the doors of the men's club of racing.
She was semi successful in Indy...she got good ownership and sponsors in NASCAR. Tony Stewart has the golden touch. Women loved her in the crossover but tutned she was a hot head, dating drivers and was always in wrecks. I want to see how they play this out.
Keep in mind that being "loose" in NASCAR is different than other motor sports. Being "loose" simply means your back end tends to want to swing out on turns. But in NASCAR, the cars are loose to the point of CONSTANTLY sliding because you want that weight to swing around to help carry speed around the turns. This results in NASCAR "loose" pushing the envelope every turn on every lap. Good for speed, but BAD for handling and control. Just right, you have a fast car. Going a bit too much, and the car becomes uncontrollable at speed because what was a simple weight shift to help the car turn to the left becomes a complete 'spin while turning'. (Making the turn itself more of a "hard yank to the left" instead of a smooth and steady sweeping turn to the left)
Very unlucky driver, the switch from downforce heavy vehicles to almost zero downforce bricks, is a hard transition . Also if you see a nascar car turn right or go straight into the right wall it means the tire is down and has no grip at all. Just as a fun fact she did better than at least 10 other drivers every year on average. Haili Deegan is a young lady to look at. She recently had an invite to Tony Stewart's SRX racing series. And outraced indycar Champs and Nascar Champs coming in 2nd only behind Tony Stewart in a very different type of car. Top 10 finishes are very hard to come by. Typically drivers in the back have to wait as better drivers get old or retire lol
Any open-wheel series driver that wants to race NASCAR needs to learn in a lower series what “rubbing is racing” means at fast ovals, short tracks, and super speedways. If they want to run some Cup Series races, they should focus on Road Courses where their natural skill set is more applicable. I would even suggest that an open wheel driver coming to NASCAR ignore the stages and race in the back until a few cars wreck out; save their equipment while watching other drivers and see how many people they can pass at the end of the race. At Daytona and Talladega, truly great drivers like Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jimmy Johnson, and Tony Stewart had great success with this back of the pack strategy.
Danica's perception as driver drastically shifted after a couple years in Cup. She would have been a very solid Xfinity driver, plus her IndyCar stats speak for themselves
She was brought over to try and get younger women to tune in. Unfortunately NASCAR is an unforgiving sport. If you don't have the chops for it, no matter how good looking you are, they aren't going to follow you. Her driving skills suited F1 better, stock car definitely wasn't for her. Top teams, sponsorships, crew chiefs....none of this means anything if you don't have a decent driver. Then you have Danica who started complaining, like she did with Denny, and now you're just a whiny ass no talent hack. I hate to admit it but when she was driving the betting pool was to see (1) when she would wreck, (2) who she'd take out with her and (3) who'd she blame for it.
Bro just stop I've seen plenty of men get up in people's faces after wrecks Jeff Gordon Tony Stewart and Kyle Bush were all known to be hot heads in their younger days but since she's a woman she's a whiney Karen give me a break all sports fans are soo two faced 💀💀
She was a complete joke. It was almost comical how often and how she would crash. She was given so many opportunities because she was an attractive woman that a man would not have gotten. It also didn't help her that she was a bit cocky and had an attitude. Complete NASCAR bust for sure.
I am commenting before I see thus. I bet they will have her radio chatter. You will noticed that the woman would never shut up. She was a constant complainer. Althoughbeit she was taken out many times and majority of her accidents were not her fault. Even when they say she was horrendous, she was not that bad. She was just moved up way to fast.
It's my understanding that all the cars are set up "loose" because if you can control them, they are faster. Danica didn't have the skill level to control the cars so she spun out a lot. Like others have said, she brought a lot of publicity and sponsorship money into the sport so they kept her around. I started following her career when she was in the open wheel Toyota Atlantic series. Danica dated NASCAR driver Ricky Stenhouse Jr. for a while--I think that's who she was flirting with.
She was simply rushed into a Cup-car. As much talent as you might have in F1 or Indy ... shifting to several tons of metal that have little to no handling for corners, simply have poor brakes compared to literally every other motor sport, and handles like a PIG compared to something able to 'dart' all over the track takes time to adjust to. That isn't even taking into account the fact that the driving style is different due to the aerodynamic package, the 'rubbing' that happens on a track, and the closing speeds being different so if you aren't prepared for it you will simply plow into someone else or have them "bump' you to get out of the way, which upsets the handling of the car during a turn. And then there is the whole issue of "attitude" that didn't help. She acted as if she had somehow or another "earned her spot" despite other drivers who were in the 'lower tiers' waiting for a ride who were PERFORMING on a weekly basis. You have young, clearly ready talent being SHELVED because nobody wanted to give them a chance if Danica was available. But she acted as if she had somehow 'earned' her ride due to a rather lack-luster Indy career that wasn't even 1/2 as long as other drivers waiting for a chance to move up to the big league. And the obvious. So much marketing was done due to her LOOKS, not her performance on the track. And no matter how much your good looks remain marketable..... if you don't WIN on the track, it becomes boring and dull. She had good marketing but a horrible career. Not the "biggest" failure in NASCAR, but the most annoying and disappointing knowing that if she had simply spent 2-3 more years in lower-tier rides, she could have been amazing.
6:12 I've said before that I'm no NASCAR expert. But thinking of Danica's placement in the team being best for her & the team is all wrong. She was placed for exposure as a novel driver. Raking in the most endorsements & most money. The little I know of Danica casts doubt about her being a horrible NASCAR driver as this video claims. But I will give way to the consensus in the comments. She certainly could have been worse that I'm thinking since I didn't follow her.
I'm going to try to answer your question in America NASCAR is probably the most popular but it is rivaled to buy IndyCar nowadays but at the time when Danica got into it it was the most popular Motorsport It was on the level of the NFL I think the only other Motorsport in the world that could rival it was F1 But now talking Danica Patrick I would call her a polarizing driver and NASCAR Mainly you you've seen this I kind of wish this video would have showed some of the good results that she had because she did have some good moments I I flashed back to Martinsville 2013 when she got a top 20 in the fall race finishing 17th that was a highlight Atlanta 2012 finished in the top I think she finished the top 12 Them are two highlights to highlights that are ever mentioned Now give it I think some of the stuff that happened a little farther down the line like the the incident with the fan where she got to an argument with them Has changed NASCAR's opinion towards her NASCAR fans opinion towards her to the wrong way and the fact that she wrecked her a lot But she wrecked over the course of 5 years And tire failures that ain't really her fault that's really the team's fault and most of time that's either putting too much camber in it or something like that just trying to get the car to turn And just the fact that they didn't develop her properly for NASCAR didn't give her time to learn the cars Because I formed this opinion I think GoDaddy wanted to go to The cup series because and only the cup series so she was kind of just thrown into the cup series without proper And the problem is she was maybe a 15th place driver on a really really really good days with a little bit of luck but I would say a 20th place to 35th place driver on most days in the cup division Now if we go to the division right below the cup series as it when she raced was called the Nationwide series when she raced in it which is called the Xfinity series now She was a 10th place to a 20th place driver and she could have probably made a career there And really actually made an impact for female drivers She might have not been a championship threat but she probably could have won a couple races And there's also the shoe incident which really wasn't what everybody blew it out of proportions to be it was more that something in the rear of the car failed I believe it was a track bar mount But she was actually a half decent super speedway racer too with the current package I think she would probably be pretty successful on the super speedways I also feel like she came in at a time of the period where NASCAR also got deeper in in competition the fields are really deep but also it's what I'm looking for Let's just say I don't I don't believe she was ready because Indy cars one thing NASCAR's a whole different Now touch on the tire thing that you were asking about why it is so hard when you cut down a tire or blow a tire at high speeds and the stock car the car doesn't turn You can slow the car down but sometimes as places like Phoenix New Hampshire that's a little easier said than done especially if it happens and you're not expecting it And them impacts hurt when you blow a tire Let me just say that impact that that 43 car took he had to sit out a couple races because he got injured from it
I wanted her to do well.It really is difficult for any driver to switch disciplines of racing there are only a couple to successfully do it.7 time cup champion Jimmy Johnson is finding that out right now.I will say I think the boys pushed her around a little I mean did not cut her any slack and they should not your racing at the highest level.There is a little give in take though in reality.And for Jr to sign her really a no brainer because she comes with big sponsor money.No different than Hendrick signing Dale Jr although Rick Hendrick was like a second dad to Dale Jr anyways way before all that.
I don't think she ever got used to the different type of aggressive racing nascar is or contact factor unlike open wheel cars. Stock cars don't grip the same way an indy car does, another thing I don't think she ever got used to. Also she was a diva which didn't help and would go chest to chest with other drivers knowing she wouldn't be punched for obvious reasons.
What Danica had going for her was she was a very attractive woman. In my opinion, Nascar is way more popular than Indy racing. She didn't do that well in Nascar. She crashed a lot.
Danica's greatest success was being a bold pioneer into the female NASCAR driver niche that is being grown today. However, I feel like she just didn't really have the "feel" of NASCAR. She ran out parts when others would have had that sense they were going/needed to be changed out. She didn't really know how to hit or take hits. And she seemed to always find away into the eye of every storm. At least her lime green car is noticeably always in every crash. But there is the saying "Sex sells." Danica was not THAT kind of human resource, but she is an attractive woman that was in a very male dominated and male fan based sport. I'm not saying that there isn't a woman alive that is a fan of NASCAR or stock car racing in general; I know better than that. But what do you think the cheerleaders at NFL games are there for? No one in the stadium can hear them, but every guy there with a heterosexual orientation sure has an eye out for them. They're there to bring fans back and to keep them coming back. Danica was NASCAR's cheerleader who could also drive. She just also happened to be a bit prone to events. She was there to bring more paying men to the tracks to see her and buy her merch (probably a bunch of those gravure calendars of hers.)
About 80% of the crashes the guy who created the video show's were not even Danica's fault.... all the blown tires and other people wrecking and Danica getting caught up in those crashes were never her fault
If finishing 28th place in the finally standings how can you be the worst when their are 43 cars racing . She had her problems but did better than a lot it's just some are bias and a lot was not her fault as going straight into the wall everybody does when you have a right front tire. I rooted for her , she brought more fans to NASCAR at a time they needed which made others jealous.
I became a F1 fan after this sponsor/publicity stunt happened and stopped watching NASCAR completely when the quality went down after Dale Jr retired and Jimmie regressed. She was competitive in Indy car, but was a complete LIABILITY in NASCAR. Till this day F1>> NASCAR
They like to make her look bad however she was better than some of the guys that did not get half as much trash talked about them, Some of that had to do that some people did not want a woman out there on the track. Racing was and is very much the good ole boys club.
To be honest what I got from the video is she got screwed more often than ever I knew. Quite a few of those crashes weren’t her fault. With that being said she still wasn’t very good driver. ✌️
7 top 10's. And 1 pole. Position. That's it. Got give her credit. For staying that long in the cup series. The reason she retired was. Stewart / Haas. Fired her ass. She was running out of sponcers. And go daddy. Was. Was up on their contract with here. She had one sponcers. That wanted her. They paid her 10 million dollars. It was a bust too. Cause she never. Endorsed the sponcer. In commercials or on social media. So the sponcer pulled the plug on her. And that was the end of her career. In nascar. . she retired in 2017 . She is a very susessful business women. She owns her own winery. Has a. Clothing line. And. Wrote 3 books. . and she owns. 2 houses. One in. Arizona. And one in north Carolina. . some if those wrecks. We're not yet fault. But some were. . She cost the. Team to much money. Fixing the cars she wrecked. . Yes she was a. Bust. In nascar. . she brought excitement. To nascar. . she was more of a. Marketing Agent Than a.Driver. . Keep an eye on HAILIE DEEGAN. SHES THE REAL DEAL! She's way better than Danica will ever be. . hailie DEEGAN. Is in the truck series. Full time. And she going to race. Xfinity series. Part time in 2022. .
It's really easy to make a video making anyone look horrible. She wasn't good by any stretch, but she wasn't nearly as bad as this video makes her look. Seven top tens in five years is not notable for any rookie. The problem is she wasn't treated like a rookie and didn't act like one, and the guy that made this video is bitter about it.
She led some laps but she also got wrecked a lot by the "men" in the sport casey khane intentionally drove into her bumper in a race and she ended up like 30th and having too go do a concussion protocol
Danica Patrick was average for a driver. but it really looks like she is over Driving the car a bit to me. why so many Tires on the outside front going down. seams like she pushes the front end more then she should of. putting alot of wear on that front tire on the outside. she was consistent with going wide ALOT. i feels if she spent 2 years in stock car or some kind of dirt she would of been a lot better driver. Danica Patrick Had the chops but i Feel had eyes to big for where she was at. these are big cars and a aggressive sport. if your scared or timid your gonna get bumped out the way
Haille Deegan is the one to watch today. She's every bit as attractive as Danica, but she grew up racing stock cars and they aren't rushing her into a top ride in the Cup series. Her good looks and sponsorship opportunities could put her there tomorrow, but she's still very young and has all the time in the world to progress. I'm pretty confident she'll be the first woman to win a NASCAR Cup race.
She has a ton of talent. She is very personable, and will do great. I’m excited to watch her progress in her career.
Totally agree
Hailie actually grew up racing on dirt, not stock cars. She transitioned to late models at the age of 16. Dirt usually translates better to stock cars than open wheel.
@@hengineer absolutely
@@hengineer hahaha Kyle Larson still does dirt and had one of NASCAR’s most dominant seasons ever
A lot of her problems were flat tires that she didn't realize she had. She had no feel for the car
Danica Patrick was not the biggest bust or the worst driver in NASCAR history, but she definitely is the most notable. All the hype, all the buildup, and the fact that she was a media darling made what would be an average failure of a career into a circus.
It's the hype going in, only for it to go unfulfilled, that qualifies someone to be labelled as a bust
You can say what you want about her driving skills. I think most people would say she was mediocre at best in Nascar. But Indycar and Nascar both used her for the huge publicity she brought to both series along with the marketing money I’m sure she brought in. That’s why she got rides with big teams who could afford to put her in the car regardless of skill and benefit from her popularity. She was one of the biggest names in Nascar beyond skill and they know it. Even Drake noted that in his Espy award show song.
Yeah I’m sure she brought a lot of attention to the sport
This guy makes great NASCAR vids, definitely worth reacting to
For sure, he did a great job with this one
One of the big reasons NASCAR fans had problems with Danica was her attitude, as seen in both her confrontation with Denny Hamlin and with the fans there. To use a current-ish term, she had a very "Karen" attitude, where everything that went wrong was somebody else's fault, never admitting to cases where she got herself in over her head or made a dumb move or just got behind on her steering and couldn't catch back up.
Then, you can add in that she was getting a lot of money from GoDaddy solely based on sex appeal (if you ever watched any of their commercials from when they were sponsoring her, it was pure T&A exploitation), and that because of that money and NASCAR's desire to be diverse and inclusive, she was consistently getting rides in very good equipment while better drivers were struggling to even reach the Cup series, and you get a lot of ill will built up among fans.
The attitude apparently extended to sponsors, too--late in her career, when her car was being sponsored by health food company Nature's Bounty, she went out and started personally endorsing other, competing food products. Even though Nature's Bounty had screwed up in not putting a clause prohibiting her from doing so in the sponsorship contract, it was still pretty dirty dealing and generally considered a completely classless move on her part to knowingly endorse her primary sponsor's competition, and it meant that when Nature's Bounty dropped her at the end of the season, she had trouble finding new sponsors from there on out.
It is rare for a driver who transitions from open wheel to do well in Nasxar. The same can be said for the rare Nascar driver to do well in open wheel cars. I believe that the techniques,the approach,the handling and general attitudes between the two are vastly different.
She got 5 years because of all the money she was bringing in. In Nascar, the best cars don't always go to the best drivers, it goes to who can bring in the most funding
It's a bit of both. Sometimes talent is just too good to let it go. Kyle Larson, Kyle Busch are examples of talent that is going to go through no matter what they do.
When they blow a front right side tire they go straight there’s nothing you can do
NASCAR is WAY bigger in the U.S. than the open wheels. Pays more, more sponsorships, bigger sponsors, more TV coverage. But racing in general is on a downhill trend here.
Sadly! I dated a UARA champion midget car driver in the 70s...I loved the years with him...so much fun!
It doesn't help that she didn't make many friends on track. People wouldn't give her a break on track because they didn't like her. Overall a combo of her own struggles and some real bad luck
Im no Danica fan but i wont go out and say she was the biggest bust ever. She could have never lived up to the hype she brought with her. Everyone expected her to compete while never ever even driving any type of Stock car and she was a cart/open wheel driver all her life before Nascar. Also most of those crashes she had in the video as you saw were flat tires and or not her fault. Once a tire goes flat in a Nascar you lose all control of the car. I will say she wasnt a good driver but how could she have been with such low experience. I feel is she started in the truck series and worked her way up to Nascar from there she would have been a good and or decent driver. One last thing there are people who have raced longer than her and have worst stats than her. Also i was never a fan of hers cause she seem to have that Better than you attitude.
24:20 and here we have a demonstration of a fundamental lack of understanding of aero effects from Danica, which is surprising....
29:00 they were booing her for not signing autographs. The team I believe was headed to the garage before a race. I've gotta admit while everyone gets booed she's got a point.
19:57 "This guy here"... Ricky Stenhouse Jr. was Danica's boyfriend.
Aka wrecky spinhouse
Nascar is one of the few race series in world that does not require visual safety equipment such side view mirrors, headlights or brake lights. The last few seasons with adding of more road courses they started having windshield wiper and rain tires required. Nascar doesn't usually race the ovals when raining. A lot of the Indy drivers that come to Nascar are considered road course ringers because of experience. Nice drivers don't last long unless they're very talented or bring a lot of money or sponsors. Danica was the latter. Money and sponsors. Even the nice ones have the kill mode built in. One the more photogenic drivers. If that could win races pretty sure she'd still b racing.
Danica had her moments, every driver does. She just had some really bad luck... She wasn't a great driver but she wasn't as bad as people make her look
She was actually pretty good. I know of many drivers who have never won a race
She was overhyped because she was a woman . An average racer at best. If she had the opposite gender I doubt anyone would know who she was
Danica Patrick wasn't a terrible driver she's weighed 90 pounds less than everybody else made it hard to set up the car to compensate for the weight loss ,so it could compete in the cup series. Other women are also having trouble with the same thing in the truck series,they won races but only in lower Nascar series like ARCA. The truck,and Xfinity series and the cup series are all on a higher level.
Technically I’m the biggest bust in NASCAR history since I never got a ride lol. Her story should be told as a cautionary tale. She’s not the first, and won’t be the last. Very few have ever been good enough to compete, let alone win, in the massively opposite types of racing that is Formula 1/Indy car vs Nascar. The thing I see most often is a lack of understanding that the skills do not translate. Stock car drivers are used to blocking and bump drafting basically using their car as a weapon to pass other drivers. You can hardly pass through a corner in F1. The open wheel drivers trying to come over to stock cars tend to have difficulty with the constantly out of control but in control style of oval racing. F1 Has to constant change elevation where Nascar drivers have to deal with different banking/camber. Stock cars are usually about twice as heavy and have hardly any downforce. The entire purpose in open wheel is what team has stayed within the rules and created the most downforce. The disciplines couldn’t be any further on opposite side of the spectrum.
21:06 Loose = Understeer. It isn't as easy as in F1 where you can change brake balance on-board.
16:31 When a NASCAR stock carblows a right front tire, it's impossible to steer the car. You're basically a passenger at that point
3:25 The Late Dan Wheldon (1978-2011), Irish decent from Buckinghamshire, passed away on the same year that he won Indy 500 in 2011, due to a major crash in Las Vegas, the season finale. He also won in 2005, the one where Danica actually finished.
Indycar was more prestigious in the 80s and 90s, but that tide turned in the late 90s when NASCAR became more popular (arguably with the rise of Jeff Gordon, the first major non-southerner to be a championship contender) in the late 90s and 00's. NASCARs popularity in the mid 00's was insane.
Danica did have a lot of bad luck, but she also didn't help herself early on by having habits from open wheel racing. In open wheel racing if you lose the car you let go of the steering wheel to protect yourself. In stock cars you don't do that, and in many cases you can save the car. She never did early on due to her experience as an open wheeler. It takes them a lot of practice to stop that habit.
Money man. She got 5 years because she was top 3 in merchandise sales all five years. She was a story that everyone gobbled up.
Also I met her in the infield at Atlanta in 2017 when she was letting her dogs out to go to the bathroom and one broke away and came running over to me and my friends. Thought she would be rude or mean but she actually came over and hung out with us for 15 minutes talking about her dogs and our dogs and what we were doing that weekend, super nice the whole time. I think it’s cause most people treated her as a celebrity and we didn’t, we just acted like she was a regular human being and I think Danica respected that. It’s my favorite story of hers because so many people have said how rude and mean she is to fans, but it’s all about respect given versus respect earned. She gained respect from me as a person that day.
I love how you wince at wrecks that aren't even considered that hard lol
I think I just imagine myself in there 😩
I only followed her career during her Indy days, but it really seems like she was one of those people who bought into her own fame. She made her name in Indy and got popular and sought the bigger bucks with NASCAR. I don't fault her in seeking that, but at least based on these clips (which granted there's probably slight bias to get his point across) it seems like with her fame, she thought she was better than she actually was in NASCAR, and the big teams signing her probably just enabled that ego.
At those high speeds, a little tap by another car will send your car out of control. And one must remember that even with great brakes the car cannot stop on a dime. Accidents happen to everyone. The only difference is her accidents made the headlines due to her gender.
I remember when she completely left Indycar the driver that replaced her (James Hinchcliffe) was still in the GoDaddy green car and earned the nickname “Manica”!
ALL HYPE!! ESPN wouldn't stfu about her for years!
You will find it was never her fault in her eyes, it was always someone else's. She was a massive 🤡
Nationwide series is lesser known even with Jr as an owner.
The guy that made the original vid gets on my nerves a bit with this one. Most of the accidents she had in this vid weren’t even her fault. She either got collected in others accidents, was strait up punted or had wrecks that really weren’t her fault like the blown tires or the shoe that screwed up her steering. Now don’t get me wrong, she wasn’t that good in NASCAR and she did have plenty of bone headed mistakes but she also wasn’t nearly as bad as this vid tries to show her to be
That's pretty standard for his NASCAR Busts series; he shows *all* the wrecks and DNFs, whether or not they were the featured driver's fault or not. A driver can be a bust as much for just having the bad luck to get caught up in other people's wrecks as for crashing on their own, after all...
Kabir, Now, You know the whole story about her. Thanks for the react!
Danica wasn't as much a bust as much as people had unreal expectations for her. She had one win in the IndyCar series before coming to NASCAR, which makes her the winningest woman in the history of American open-wheel racing. I would say she's no worse of a bust than Juan Pablo Montoya, who has a resume full of success outside of NASCAR. Indy 500 (twice), CART series champion, Monaco, 24 hours of Daytona (three times), but 9 years of NASCAR he had 2 wins in 255 races and finished most seasons somewhere in the 20s in standings.
Her driving wasn't the greatest, but the drivers in Nascar cut her no slack. Half of the crashes she was in she was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think her attitude got the best of her. Open wheel cars are a lot different that a stock car. Danica crashed a lot. 1 of her biggest problems was she was not good at correcting her steering.
I see what you arr saying about a lessor known team. Problem is that GoDaddy money was so huge it could afford a top tier car. Therefore she had no choice but to spend GoDaddy money with JR Motorsports. Dale gave her fabulous equilment. The day she was going to win on a road coarse, some idiot threw a shoe onto the race coarse. As gast as she was going she could not see it and ran over it. The shoe damadged her car and I think it happend in the last few laps and she was out of the race. She was leading. A lot of times when she was not getting wrecked by others, she actually did pretty good
She was a Fair driver, but was promoted to get more female fans into racing so to make more money and boost merchandise sales. She was promoted as a woman who busted down the doors of the men's club of racing.
She was semi successful in Indy...she got good ownership and sponsors in NASCAR. Tony Stewart has the golden touch. Women loved her in the crossover but tutned she was a hot head, dating drivers and was always in wrecks. I want to see how they play this out.
HAHAGAHA your face when she said “yoUr HuRtInG mY FeELiNgS 🥺”
I really wasnt expecting her to say that 😂
Keep in mind that being "loose" in NASCAR is different than other motor sports. Being "loose" simply means your back end tends to want to swing out on turns. But in NASCAR, the cars are loose to the point of CONSTANTLY sliding because you want that weight to swing around to help carry speed around the turns. This results in NASCAR "loose" pushing the envelope every turn on every lap. Good for speed, but BAD for handling and control. Just right, you have a fast car. Going a bit too much, and the car becomes uncontrollable at speed because what was a simple weight shift to help the car turn to the left becomes a complete 'spin while turning'. (Making the turn itself more of a "hard yank to the left" instead of a smooth and steady sweeping turn to the left)
You should react to "This Is Not Happening" Ryan Sickler's "Cocaine Alligator."
Indy 500 is the biggest race in America but NASCAR is the biggest series. Most drivers make more money in NASCAR for the most part.
13:20 that shoe is the reason she doesn't have a nascar win lmao she was leading then hit it and had steering issues
Ohhh man what a bummer!
There were a lot more better moments of her career than this video is saying also great video
Ironically if you have a premier sports subscription you can watch NASCAR in the UK
try doing 150+ mph in rush hour traffic. easy to hammer someone until your in their place.
Is it me or did Denny Hamlin have the “Goddammit NASCAR and your severe punishments if I hit her” look lol.
Very unlucky driver, the switch from downforce heavy vehicles to almost zero downforce bricks, is a hard transition . Also if you see a nascar car turn right or go straight into the right wall it means the tire is down and has no grip at all. Just as a fun fact she did better than at least 10 other drivers every year on average.
Haili Deegan is a young lady to look at. She recently had an invite to Tony Stewart's SRX racing series. And outraced indycar Champs and Nascar Champs coming in 2nd only behind Tony Stewart in a very different type of car. Top 10 finishes are very hard to come by. Typically drivers in the back have to wait as better drivers get old or retire lol
Any open-wheel series driver that wants to race NASCAR needs to learn in a lower series what “rubbing is racing” means at fast ovals, short tracks, and super speedways. If they want to run some Cup Series races, they should focus on Road Courses where their natural skill set is more applicable. I would even suggest that an open wheel driver coming to NASCAR ignore the stages and race in the back until a few cars wreck out; save their equipment while watching other drivers and see how many people they can pass at the end of the race. At Daytona and Talladega, truly great drivers like Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jimmy Johnson, and Tony Stewart had great success with this back of the pack strategy.
Quite a few of the crashes weren’t her fault....quite a few of them were too.
She made a really good under cover Lyft driver video.
For a couple years her and Aaron Rodgers were the glamor couple of the sports world when they dated and were at the ESPYs and other events together!
No way! I didn’t know that
@@kabirconsiders yeah I think they dated for a couple years. I thin she's with someone else now.
react to jimmie johnson highlights
Danica was crash more times by other drivers. She also had really bad luck. What most people believe is she needed one more year at JRM.
NASCAR is by far the most popular motor sport in the US. Second is probably NHRA. local circle tracks are also very popular. Both paved and dirt.
Danica's perception as driver drastically shifted after a couple years in Cup. She would have been a very solid Xfinity driver, plus her IndyCar stats speak for themselves
She was brought over to try and get younger women to tune in. Unfortunately NASCAR is an unforgiving sport. If you don't have the chops for it, no matter how good looking you are, they aren't going to follow you. Her driving skills suited F1 better, stock car definitely wasn't for her. Top teams, sponsorships, crew chiefs....none of this means anything if you don't have a decent driver. Then you have Danica who started complaining, like she did with Denny, and now you're just a whiny ass no talent hack.
I hate to admit it but when she was driving the betting pool was to see (1) when she would wreck, (2) who she'd take out with her and (3) who'd she blame for it.
Bro just stop I've seen plenty of men get up in people's faces after wrecks Jeff Gordon Tony Stewart and Kyle Bush were all known to be hot heads in their younger days but since she's a woman she's a whiney Karen give me a break all sports fans are soo two faced 💀💀
hello again Kabir, can you react to Slapshoe’s video on 9 types of Nascar winners if you haven’t already?
Patrick... the 'gift' that kept on giving!! LOL I think she was in and caused more wrecks than any other driver!
She was a complete joke. It was almost comical how often and how she would crash. She was given so many opportunities because she was an attractive woman that a man would not have gotten. It also didn't help her that she was a bit cocky and had an attitude. Complete NASCAR bust for sure.
The truth is that most people watch nascar for the wrecks. Danica didn’t disappoint the fans! 🤣
I am commenting before I see thus. I bet they will have her radio chatter. You will noticed that the woman would never shut up. She was a constant complainer. Althoughbeit she was taken out many times and majority of her accidents were not her fault. Even when they say she was horrendous, she was not that bad. She was just moved up way to fast.
It's my understanding that all the cars are set up "loose" because if you can control them, they are faster. Danica didn't have the skill level to control the cars so she spun out a lot. Like others have said, she brought a lot of publicity and sponsorship money into the sport so they kept her around. I started following her career when she was in the open wheel Toyota Atlantic series. Danica dated NASCAR driver Ricky Stenhouse Jr. for a while--I think that's who she was flirting with.
She was an Indy Car outsider, so she had that working against her from the start.
She was simply rushed into a Cup-car. As much talent as you might have in F1 or Indy ... shifting to several tons of metal that have little to no handling for corners, simply have poor brakes compared to literally every other motor sport, and handles like a PIG compared to something able to 'dart' all over the track takes time to adjust to. That isn't even taking into account the fact that the driving style is different due to the aerodynamic package, the 'rubbing' that happens on a track, and the closing speeds being different so if you aren't prepared for it you will simply plow into someone else or have them "bump' you to get out of the way, which upsets the handling of the car during a turn.
And then there is the whole issue of "attitude" that didn't help. She acted as if she had somehow or another "earned her spot" despite other drivers who were in the 'lower tiers' waiting for a ride who were PERFORMING on a weekly basis. You have young, clearly ready talent being SHELVED because nobody wanted to give them a chance if Danica was available. But she acted as if she had somehow 'earned' her ride due to a rather lack-luster Indy career that wasn't even 1/2 as long as other drivers waiting for a chance to move up to the big league.
And the obvious. So much marketing was done due to her LOOKS, not her performance on the track. And no matter how much your good looks remain marketable..... if you don't WIN on the track, it becomes boring and dull. She had good marketing but a horrible career.
Not the "biggest" failure in NASCAR, but the most annoying and disappointing knowing that if she had simply spent 2-3 more years in lower-tier rides, she could have been amazing.
6:12 I've said before that I'm no NASCAR expert. But thinking of Danica's placement in the team being best for her & the team is all wrong. She was placed for exposure as a novel driver. Raking in the most endorsements & most money. The little I know of Danica casts doubt about her being a horrible NASCAR driver as this video claims. But I will give way to the consensus in the comments. She certainly could have been worse that I'm thinking since I didn't follow her.
She actually was pretty good
@@juliemanarin4127 Which may be true as far as I know. I'm picking up a vibe from comments you either liked or hated her. Oh well . . .
I rooted for her to do well. Unfortunately, when you completely destroy 38 cars beyond repair, not gonna last very long.
It looked like she couldn’t really control the car, it always seemed to get loose
Hey bro have you watched the last two races kinda insane
Even though she’s awful there’s a few drivers right now that make her look good
I'm honestly not sure she was strong enough to handle the car. Once she got loose, it was all over for her. She also whined a lot.
I'm going to try to answer your question in America NASCAR is probably the most popular but it is rivaled to buy IndyCar nowadays but at the time when Danica got into it it was the most popular Motorsport
It was on the level of the NFL
I think the only other Motorsport in the world that could rival it was F1
But now talking Danica Patrick I would call her a polarizing driver and NASCAR
Mainly you you've seen this I kind of wish this video would have showed some of the good results that she had because she did have some good moments
I I flashed back to Martinsville 2013 when she got a top 20 in the fall race finishing 17th that was a highlight Atlanta 2012 finished in the top I think she finished the top 12
Them are two highlights to highlights that are ever mentioned
Now give it I think some of the stuff that happened a little farther down the line like the the incident with the fan where she got to an argument with them
Has changed NASCAR's opinion towards her NASCAR fans opinion towards her to the wrong way and the fact that she wrecked her a lot
But she wrecked over the course of 5 years
And tire failures that ain't really her fault that's really the team's fault and most of time that's either putting too much camber in it or something like that just trying to get the car to turn
And just the fact that they didn't develop her properly for NASCAR didn't give her time to learn the cars
Because I formed this opinion I think GoDaddy wanted to go to The cup series because and only the cup series so she was kind of just thrown into the cup series without proper
And the problem is she was maybe a 15th place driver on a really really really good days with a little bit of luck but I would say a 20th place to 35th place driver on most days in the cup division
Now if we go to the division right below the cup series as it when she raced was called the Nationwide series when she raced in it which is called the Xfinity series now
She was a 10th place to a 20th place driver and she could have probably made a career there
And really actually made an impact for female drivers
She might have not been a championship threat but she probably could have won a couple races
And there's also the shoe incident which really wasn't what everybody blew it out of proportions to be it was more that something in the rear of the car failed
I believe it was a track bar mount
But she was actually a half decent super speedway racer too with the current package I think she would probably be pretty successful on the super speedways
I also feel like she came in at a time of the period where NASCAR also got deeper in in competition the fields are really deep but also it's what I'm looking for
Let's just say I don't I don't believe she was ready because Indy cars one thing NASCAR's a whole different
Now touch on the tire thing that you were asking about why it is so hard when you cut down a tire or blow a tire at high speeds and the stock car the car doesn't turn
You can slow the car down but sometimes as places like Phoenix New Hampshire that's a little easier said than done especially if it happens and you're not expecting it
And them impacts hurt when you blow a tire
Let me just say that impact that that 43 car took he had to sit out a couple races because he got injured from it
Helen Keller wouldn’t have as much trouble turning left as Danica does.
I wanted her to do well.It really is difficult for any driver to switch disciplines of racing there are only a couple to successfully do it.7 time cup champion Jimmy Johnson is finding that out right now.I will say I think the boys pushed her around a little I mean did not cut her any slack and they should not your racing at the highest level.There is a little give in take though in reality.And for Jr to sign her really a no brainer because she comes with big sponsor money.No different than Hendrick signing Dale Jr although Rick Hendrick was like a second dad to Dale Jr anyways way before all that.
the funniest part of Danica's train wreck she called a career ...was watching her, then, boyfriend wreck her twice!! roflmao
8:54 Marzepin in F1?
Let's just say it how it is...
She was a target.
She didn't win in nascar but I'll tell ya she was tough as nails she took some huge hits in her career and always walked away
heading to daytona for the coke zero 400 😈
Nice 😎 have fun mate!
A more positive example of women in racing would be NHRA Brittany & Courtney Force of the John Force racing team..
No spoilers,see for yourself.
Yep I know all about those guys, I reacted to quite a few NHRA videos a few months back. The Force family are badasses!
The other drivers targeted her. Always bumped into her to take her out.
I don't think she ever got used to the different type of aggressive racing nascar is or contact factor unlike open wheel cars. Stock cars don't grip the same way an indy car does, another thing I don't think she ever got used to. Also she was a diva which didn't help and would go chest to chest with other drivers knowing she wouldn't be punched for obvious reasons.
What Danica had going for her was she was a very attractive woman. In my opinion, Nascar is way more popular than Indy racing. She didn't do that well in Nascar. She crashed a lot.
Danica's greatest success was being a bold pioneer into the female NASCAR driver niche that is being grown today. However, I feel like she just didn't really have the "feel" of NASCAR. She ran out parts when others would have had that sense they were going/needed to be changed out. She didn't really know how to hit or take hits. And she seemed to always find away into the eye of every storm. At least her lime green car is noticeably always in every crash.
But there is the saying "Sex sells." Danica was not THAT kind of human resource, but she is an attractive woman that was in a very male dominated and male fan based sport. I'm not saying that there isn't a woman alive that is a fan of NASCAR or stock car racing in general; I know better than that. But what do you think the cheerleaders at NFL games are there for? No one in the stadium can hear them, but every guy there with a heterosexual orientation sure has an eye out for them. They're there to bring fans back and to keep them coming back. Danica was NASCAR's cheerleader who could also drive. She just also happened to be a bit prone to events. She was there to bring more paying men to the tracks to see her and buy her merch (probably a bunch of those gravure calendars of hers.)
Nascar is the most popular Racing in the United States.
About 80% of the crashes the guy who created the video show's were not even Danica's fault.... all the blown tires and other people wrecking and Danica getting caught up in those crashes were never her fault
If finishing 28th place in the finally standings how can you be the worst when their are 43 cars racing . She had her problems but did better than a lot it's just some are bias and a lot was not her fault as going straight into the wall everybody does when you have a right front tire. I rooted for her , she brought more fans to NASCAR at a time they needed which made others jealous.
I became a F1 fan after this sponsor/publicity stunt happened and stopped watching NASCAR completely when the quality went down after Dale Jr retired and Jimmie regressed. She was competitive in Indy car, but was a complete LIABILITY in NASCAR. Till this day F1>> NASCAR
She was a good open wheel driver, not quite as capable in a stock car
6:14 ua-cam.com/video/Pvdc2bNQSzU/v-deo.html Like Bubba Wallace right now? His team isn't doing well, (sing-songy) but it's owned by Michael Jordan.
Nascar is the biggest sport period
They like to make her look bad however she was better than some of the guys that did not get half as much trash talked about them, Some of that had to do that some people did not want a woman out there on the track. Racing was and is very much the good ole boys club.
She was brought in purely for the sponsorship money.
To be honest what I got from the video is she got screwed more often than ever I knew. Quite a few of those crashes weren’t her fault. With that being said she still wasn’t very good driver. ✌️
She wrecked more than her fair share of cars.
No...she didn't crash more than others did and she was pretty good!
7 top 10's. And 1 pole. Position. That's it. Got give her credit. For staying that long in the cup series. The reason she retired was. Stewart / Haas. Fired her ass. She was running out of sponcers. And go daddy. Was. Was up on their contract with here. She had one sponcers. That wanted her. They paid her 10 million dollars. It was a bust too. Cause she never. Endorsed the sponcer. In commercials or on social media. So the sponcer pulled the plug on her. And that was the end of her career. In nascar. . she retired in 2017 . She is a very susessful business women. She owns her own winery. Has a. Clothing line. And. Wrote 3 books. . and she owns. 2 houses. One in. Arizona. And one in north Carolina. . some if those wrecks. We're not yet fault. But some were. . She cost the. Team to much money. Fixing the cars she wrecked. . Yes she was a. Bust. In nascar. . she brought excitement. To nascar. . she was more of a. Marketing Agent Than a.Driver. .
Keep an eye on HAILIE DEEGAN. SHES THE REAL DEAL!
She's way better than Danica will ever be. . hailie DEEGAN. Is in the truck series. Full time. And she going to race. Xfinity series. Part time in 2022. .
It's really easy to make a video making anyone look horrible. She wasn't good by any stretch, but she wasn't nearly as bad as this video makes her look.
Seven top tens in five years is not notable for any rookie. The problem is she wasn't treated like a rookie and didn't act like one, and the guy that made this video is bitter about it.
She didn't herself any favors in earning anyone's respect though, that's on her
She led some laps but she also got wrecked a lot by the "men" in the sport casey khane intentionally drove into her bumper in a race and she ended up like 30th and having too go do a concussion protocol
Nascar is second to f1, but not by much.
Danica Patrick was average for a driver. but it really looks like she is over Driving the car a bit to me. why so many Tires on the outside front going down. seams like she pushes the front end more then she should of. putting alot of wear on that front tire on the outside. she was consistent with going wide ALOT. i feels if she spent 2 years in stock car or some kind of dirt she would of been a lot better driver. Danica Patrick Had the chops but i Feel had eyes to big for where she was at. these are big cars and a aggressive sport. if your scared or timid your gonna get bumped out the way