I got it off Amazon for £268 and it’s bounced back up to £368 recently. At first I found it so light that I equated it with being cheap but it’s grown on me and I wear it daily.
Gotta love these NY00XX variants. This one seems like a winner. Solid end links, solid links, milled inner clasp, titanium and duratect coating! This looks great and the size is not too big!
I’ll take a Citizen over a Seiko any day, I have several and have never had an issue. Their dive watches are dependable and well built. I have a couple titanium but I prefer the feel and heft of stainless steel.
I have a close alternative, the Citizen Promaster Eco-Drive BN020056E. It's quartz, but full titanium with a similar-looking bracelet, but a perhaps nicer clasp with two very secure pushers. Because it's a Citizen, it's somewhat drab looking to most but I love its mostly unpolished dark titanium look and feel, and the Eco-Drive is just an 11/10, and as a bonus the lume is right up there with the best of my collection and one of the main reasons I like to wear it when I need night visibility. Another thing I notice is when I come inside from a sunny day, even in a lit room it looks like a bunch of fireflies sitting on the dial ;-). I only have a few other watches that do that (and they are not Seikos!). My only minor complaint is the ridiculously small (but screw-down) crown, but thankfully because it's quartz, I don't have to use it too frequently. It's also a bit thinner than the ones you're reviewing I think which makes it good for not catching on doorways, furniture, etc. which makes it my "nice" beater watch!
Citizen currently seems to be the king of affordable titanium watches. I recently managed to get a Citizen NH9120 automatic titanium watch on sale at a department store for just 160€. I am not the biggest fan of open heart watches but this one really grew on me, especially the comfort!
What a lovely watch! I wonder why they use mineral crystal when synthetic sapphire is so readily available and so many cheaper watches offer this luxury. You would think a rare-er material like titanium would be paired with sapphire. Also, very unique with the left hand crown!
Just a guess, but maybe because they need to justify their more expensive ranges. If they offer it on cheaper models there won't be a reason to pay for higher spec models, and it'll cannibalize sales. Funnily enough I think that's why people are clicking buy on so many Ali express models
Citizen is the toyota corolla of watches I own half a dozen seikos, some cost ~ 150 USD - 600 USD, but they all have a few things in common: misaligned internal/external bezels OR chapter rings, and the end links have gaps between lugs AND/OR the case itself. Citizen diver for 200 USD? perfect chapter ring alignment, perfect finish, perfect chapter ring. Citizen chronograph for 150 USD? Hollow end links, but they don't move a nanometer, and have 100 % fit to the lugs and case. 200 USD solar GMT, 200 Meters of water resistance? 100 % fit on the bracelet, milled clasp, immaculate bezel for which all markings line up on ALL chapter ring marks. I LOVE my seikos, all of them are something you can look at every 15 minutes and admire the design, details, but man, citizen is something else for the price.
To add to your analogy, you could say Seiko is Honda to Citizen's Toyota. Honda and Seiko have their quarks but fanboys love them to no end (myself included). Citizen is that much more practical Toyota 'it just works'. No nonsense, every once in awhile they'll surprise you with an underrated Celica promaster 😎
I've got the same, and the titanium is very scratch resistant, even more so than stainless steel from daily activities. Normally a stainless steel clasp would get desk diving scratches within an hour of use, yet I've worn this for a few days at my desk already and the clasp still looks brand new.
Hi Jody, super review as always. I own the Blue titanium version of this watch and it is a really super watch and the mineral crystal, though disappointing holds up well to wear I have three Citizen automatic divers including a 25 year old NY0040 which is still going great, looks amazing, has never been serviced and I still use it as my diving watch for holidays - incredible quality. I love my SKX' too, but once someone buys and lives with one of these Citizen watches, they will really appreciate what a great little qwerky watch this is. Cheers Noel
Citizen is unparalleled in price/performance I think. All my citizens are perfectly aligned, and no QC issues whatsoever. Which I can't say about my Seikos. Sure, some citizens are "acquired taste*, but when they nail a design, it's usually a really good deal
My jp2007 have big hand/dial misalignment problems. I got it back to the dealer where I bought it to get a new one and the other one was exactly the same. You can even see this on their commercial photos as well, if the angle is right.
My Citizen Sport AW1598-70X is a God send to be honest, absolutely love it. Keeps time, aligns properly, has a stunning lume, nice weight and the 'eco-drive' is a nice talking point.
Hmmm. Your comment and among others, are making me think about my next possible watch. I've never taken Citizen seriously, but that may change in getting the next watch
I've got a citizen eco drive diver style watch, bought for my 40th birthday, lost it years ago, found it other day sorting out the garage still running perfectly almost 12 years later!!!
Excellent review as usual. Regarding the issue of mineral crystal v sapphire: sapphire is obviously preferable but mineral crystal is surprisingly scratch resistant, at least Citizen's version. I've had my Promaster diver since 2017 and wear it almost every day during the summer months when I'm at the beach, pool, and lake and it is yet to pick up a single scratch. Which has surprised the hell out of me.
Why even upgrade the glass? Mineral is fine. If it really scratches up, then you can replace it with a sapphire one, I guess. Lovely watches and lovely review as always! 😎
Between Citizen titanium divers, the fabulous Tudor Pelagos, and the legendary Fifty Fathom titanium, I must say that titanium is awesome choice of material for divers.
Thanks for the review. I prefer Ti for the light weight, though I do own some steel watches. Past $300 USD, I find it difficult to justify buying something that is not Ti. I love the higher end JDM watches, and own several Casio Oceanus, as well as a Seiko Astron Nexter, and a Citizen Attesa, all of which are Ti.
I plan to get at least 2 citizen titanium eco exceed watches. They are polished and have duratec treated. I like light ready to go watches that look good.
Hi Jody. I watch your vids whenever my wife isn’t around. I have bought two SD1970’s, Seiko SNZH53, ordered a Helm Komodo because of you. I stumbled onto your videos in 2021, you’re my number 1 reference. These days, my 8 yr old runs to my iPad or TV when she hears your drum beat and tick tocking intro. Helloooo she says! 😂 in light of the titanium cases, I hope you can review a Heimdallr Tuna in titanium.
Great review. FYI, the differences I see compared to the NY0040: 1. This one hacks, unlike the 8203 movement in the NY0040. 2. This one is titanium rather than steel, but dimensions and physical specs are about the same. 3. This one doesn’t have the dated looking greenish/yellow indices. 4. It has a colored minute hand and a longer second hand with a spot of color. 5. The bracelet that came with the NY0040 has cheap folded links, hollow/folded endlinks, and a diver extension. However, I wear my NY0040 on a bracelet that I stole from a Fugu I flipped (don’t like the Fugu, mainly due to the indices). The bracelet on this NY0100 seems a bit nicer than the stock Fugu bracelet, which doesn’t have a foldover clasp but does have solid endlinks. That said, I just learned from this video that the bracelet on this NY0100 doesn’t taper, so it’s 20mm on both the clasp and lug ends. The bracelets for the NY0040 and the Fugu taper from 20mm to 18mm and don’t have the polished accent stripes on the links. 6. Lume on this watch appears to be more blueish than the NY0040, which has green lume. 7. This one has a signed crown, the NY0040 does not. I like that the NY0100 has hacking and is lighter and less shiny due to the titanium. I would be much more likely to buy the NY0100 if it had a sapphire crystal and a tapered bracelet.
Citizen was my very first analog watch I ever owned it is still a brand I fall back on. For the price the quality is awesome. As always thank you Jody for keeping it real. If it ever crossed your mind could you think about doing a video on vintage versus new and the trends vs big and small. Thank sit
Perfect timing for the review Jody! Got the exact same watch in Green for $399 in Feb and love it. Procrastinated over the mineral crystal but eventually pulled the trigger. Thanks for another great review 👍🏽
I've got the blue dial one. Pretty watch, very lightweight. That titanium doesn't scratch at all. The complaint I have is the day-date background. I would prefer white instead of black, I can't see that date. And also the position of the key, but I don't find it that anoying. Nice video!
You've got something wrong here about Citizen titanium. It's run of the mill titanium until Citizen treat it, then they call it super titanium. You'll usually see "Base Titanium" on the caseback which is normal titanium. Then different names and logos mean different hardness of coatings. Also raw grade 2 titanium can be and is polished fine.
Promaster watches certainly do look better in person. I just received the NY0040 that I ordered and was blown away by the amazing finish and great look (it’s my first Citizen). It’ll be even better with a jubilee!
Please take a look at the Circula Divesport! This micro brand from Germany uses top grade materials and movements (Full Titanium, SW-200 elabore and top Lume). Circula is highly innovative and energetic so this company will not be micro much longer!
We need more Ti watches as many people such as myself are allergic to Nickle and at least during the summer (hot weather) I can have an allergic reaction to 316L watches due to nickel leaching. I own the NY0100-50XE and basically wore it all last summer (as it is currently my only Ti watch) and my Stainless watches caused a skin reaction during the hotter temps of summer. So more and more Titanium watches on the market is great for me. Edit.. this watch is extra nice for me as I am a left handeder.. so the lefty crown is awesome.
I like the green. The 8pm crown is great, I wear my watch on the right. Mineral crystal on a diver is best - it'll scratch not shatter. I have steel & titanium Citizen watches, I like both.
A titanium citizen was my first watch, it was also the one that got me into collecting watches. I haven't worn it for a couple of years due to I assume my wrists changing size and it no longer fits 100%. I've been yearning for a new watch for a while but instead I did the 'change the strap first' idea so I picked up a black silicone strap for the titanium citizen and it is amazing! Its like a new watch and now I love wearing it!!
For a while I had a Helm Vanuatu in stainless steel and titanium. I liked the heft and scratch resistance of the SS one, but ended up trading it for a SS Khuraburi, simply because the Titanium one is so easy to wear by comparison. I also have a Dailos Waveform which is titanium and I sometimes forget I'm even wearing it! So Titanium is good, but it's not a hard wearing (generally) as Steel and I have no doubt there's a place for both in a collection.
I think you wildly underestimated the other Citizen diver's watch you reviewed. It had a GMT function and a saphire crystal. So it ticked all the boxes for me. I imported it from Japan via Italy and I'm rather happy with it.
@@pan-angloinsurancebroker9618 I did it via an online shop. As the shop is allocated in Italy there were no further import duties into the EU. Just search for "Harvey Store".
I can’t speak to titanium, as I’ve only had stainless so far. But I will say I would love to pick up a Citizen if I could find one that I liked the look of.
The hands and indices are a bit toy store on both watches. I bought the Ray Mears equivalent with a Kevlar strap and sapphire for 250gbp. Beware the citizen monocoque cases though, you deserve a medal if you can get through the bezel, gaskets, crystal and remove the stem which you need to do in order to change the capacitor. It does sit very comfortably on the wrist though.
Good morning from South Africa. I have one Titanium watch. The others are Stainless steel. Mostly Titanium is an incredible material. But in some watches it makes it too light.
I noticed yesterday that H Samuel in the UK have the crazy (a good thing) titanium BN0228-06W on sale for £199 - only the mineral glass/my clumsiness stopped me
A good fit is more important than weight for me - up to a sensible max of about 180 grams. Too light can also feel a bit flimsy - even though titanium is strong. Fit / size is everything.
Hi again Jody! Possibly unpopular opinion here, and I know we've gotten used to it the other way, but I think that for a watch worn on the left wrist the crown should be on the left and for a watch worn on the right wrist the crown should be on the right. This is counter to the convention so why do I think this? I think that the left is the right place for a left wrist watch because the crown should be away from the flex point of the wrist. This means the crown is never jabbing or poking the where and it also means that flexing the wrist is never putting any mechanical stress on the crown should that be a consideration. If you are going to manipulate the crown of any watch, it's always best practice to remove the watch first. Therefore placing the crown on the left of a conventional left-wrist watch doesn't make it any less convenient to operate. It does rather complicate winding or setting while the watch is being worn but of course you're not supposed to do that. And considering especially on modern watches how little you actually have to fiddle with the crown, I think it's an excellent solution. Especially if you have a modern quartz or solar timepiece, where you're never winding it and you're very rarely setting it because you never have to set it because it's always running. 12:00 and 6:00 crowns hold a special place for me and those I think it would be safer to manipulate while you're wearing the watch, plus they tend to move the crown completely out of the way. Please let me know what you think!
I shifted to Citizen from Seiko first simply because build quality was dollar for dollar, significantly better. Then I came across their Titanium versions and that sealed the deal to never go back to Seiko. Looking at it objectively, the only reason I liked the Seikos was because their designs were on point, the rest, honestly, was just passion blinding me from all their flaws and limited value for money.
For affordable decent Ti watches, Citizen is a solid choice. Purchased my first full Ti Citizen a month ago. A brilliant Promaster Sky CB0140: Full Titanium case and bracelet , Eco Drive, Radio controlled, sapphire crystal, great lume. Although it is a 2015 model and I got it secondhand, it barely has any marks. I accidentally hit a wall with it while locking my bike, I expected some damage, but I was very surprised to see no damage at all. Feeling on wrist is marvellous, it is a big watch but it only weighs in at 100g on my 7 inch wrist, and the titanium feels very comfortable due to its ability to match your body temperature very fast. Pretty solid tool watch, extremely happy with it, especially since I only paid half price..😊
I think personally I will still purchase the steel given the option. I collected some vintage watches and sometimes the rare one can come with the "usage damage" from the previous owner. I have yet finding anyone that can polish Titanium, DLC, and gold plated watches but steel is never a problem and I have found several watchmaker that can polished the watch to its formal glory. Cheers
Were the measurements confirmed on this example? Citizen's sizing confuses me. I have an NY0140-80E with the same dial and hands as this one, but it measures 44mm like the newer Fugu. I like that this newer hand set uses lume on the second indicator end instead of on the opposite end, though it's a much smaller lumed area. Thanks for sharing this content, it's very well done.
Great review Jody, nice to see Citizen getting some love. Shame about that 8 o'clock crown though, my lookalike BN0150 manages fine with one at 4 o'clock. I have a Titanium BJ7111-51M, I love the feel of the watch it's warm and silky smooth, I just need a Super Tough now!
Invicta Pro Diver 0420 Men's Automatic Watch - 45 mm Currently this watch is £81.10 in the Amazon spring sale.... Seiko NH35 movement, titanium...fit n finish on a par with the citizen and for me this watch is a great entry into whether you like or can get on with the material and how light it is...regular pieces on the site are around £115.00 so still an absolute steal! Hi from the good old UK btw...love the channel and your reviews 😊
@@S-Ltd1000 yeah! Size put me off a little too but for the price it's great to get and ensure that the material is something you can live with...especially the weight... appreciate the reply dude...size seems a thing with Invicta...they do have smaller models but many nice looking watches are completely oversized...if they had this is the 40mm range of pro divers... I'm pretty sure they would sell by the bucket load...Invicta need to streamline and get back to small and mid size...then again panerie just released women's watches at W&W...the size...39mm...😳😳 The mind boggles
€400 is my 'mineral' limit here in Ireland, given that's how much I spent on a Seiko 5KX GMT this month, and that was really just because I had to have it. I love Citizen, and my Eco-Drive Promaster Diver gets so much wear, but titanium isn't enough to command the retail they expect on the watch in your video. Orient completely changed the game with the Kamasu. Yes it's not ISO-rated, yes the crown is finicky, but the sapphire crystal makes it.
I got the Helm Kuraburi and Vanuatu in titanium and judging from the size of these chunkers , the steel versions would north of 200 grams. In this case , im glad I waited for the lighter titanium versions.
The lack of weight is an advantage - as well a disadvantage... some people may say the steel version feels more substantial... therefore higher qualtity.... just from a human psychological point of view....
I picked up the NY0100-50X for my stepson in Starbuy’s Boxing Day sale for a better price again than that - they had it for $399 in one of their weekend flash sales 6 or so weeks ago - I got it for $369. Cheaper again!!! : )
I love the colour and finish of titanium. I have three in my collection and they definitely are the most comfortable to wear. No sapphire, that is a shame. Great review as always.
Thanks for sharing Jody! I’d say overall Seiko has better designs but Citizen do surprise me at times, this one’s great! Although I do own a Citizen diver already and that is misaligned! My Seiko are perfectly aligned. So it’s all a luck of the draw
I’d say you got unlucky as I have owned at least a dozen citizen divers and they’ve all been aligned whereas I’ve owned even more seiko divers And approximately half of those, I’ve had alignment issues.
@@johnbuckmaster8117 ah. I think Jody was referring to my point about Seikos. I’ve had half a dozen Seiko divers and all been perfect. Despite my one Citizen diver that was misaligned, I would still buy Citizen again as the other design and detail elements I do really admire. Like I said, luck of the draw.
@@GodIsInHisHeaven I’m almost even up in my collection… 6 citizens, 8 Seiko’s… I used to buy a lot more Seiko’s but I scaled back and have gravitated towards other brands… Seco just seem to start charging more While not really giving you more. I did buy a new alpinist Which Which has become my favorite ‘all around’..,, Cheers
I have an NY0084-89E with the 8203 movement in steel. It can be had for under $200USD. I love the watch (bracelet sucks) and just prefer steel at a discounted price over titanium. The weight savings of titanium isn't a big deal to me.....but it's cool and I wouldn't mind one in my collection.
If you can enjoy different styles of watches, then why not the same with materials. It's the luxury of owning a collection of a wide range of watches, which includes a blend of materials. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
Great video Jody. I've been a titanium fan for a long time - love the feel of the metal. I've owned a Citizen Promaster perpetual calendar for 12+ years and the Duratect has really been scratch-resistant (unlike my titanium Seiko Samurai ☹). Oh, and thanks a bunch for drawing attention to the 'underpants'. It's like the FedEx arrow - once you see it, you can't unsee it....
I bought a Ray Mears promaster tough.Within a week I dinged the smooth bezel and the nick was quite deep and annoying.Also the clasp (supposedly titanium)scratched for fun.So I sold it and bought a full lume NY0040.Steel and tough.Several months in no marks on case or bezel.So I'm now very suspicious about Citizens titanium.Also the NY0040 cost £180 sterling,so was about half the price.I stuck it on a jubilee available on the bay for £19 from a UK seller which is excellent quality and on a par with Seiko's skx jubilee.(I've also owned a Rolex jubilee and quite frankly I prefer the looseness of the copies,and their quality is not far off, believe it or not.im not saying the watches are as nice as a datejust though.but if anyone watching this vid is thinking about these two ,I would go NY0040 all day.
I much prefer the heft of steel if I had to choose between the two but titanium does have a place in my collection; I do have a Seiko Shogun, Seiko 1000m Golden Tuna, and a Seiko SNR045, all of which are titanium.
I love Titanium watches depending on who makes them. Zelos are releasing some HH3 watches in Titanium soon, would be great to see you review one of those. Having a couple of Phoibos, Signum, Zelos and Helm, big fan of them they're barely noticeable when wearing.
Got the blue one, got it when they used to be spec'd with the non hacking movement but it doesn't bother me at all. This watch is perfect everyday beater, the glass is mineral but the bezel sits slightly above so it protects it, mine had no scratches :). The super titanium is great, very hard and very resistant to scratches. The bracelet never used it, just use it on rubber or nato. Probably the watch I wear the most and the only one I always take on vacations. The best is I got it for less than 150€ new at a jewelery closeout. I recommend it, cheap, solid, comfortable and reliable. Thx Jody, been waiting for this review since ages 😂
Hey there, I just bought a green one! How’s the mineral glass doing? I heard the besel is soft and it gets dings when banged on, but I don’t think that’s true.
I've only owned 2 titanium watches , a Boldr Venture that was too small yet chunky and currently have a RZE GMT which I'm not truly sold on ....... I'll stick to SS
When I dive I use a Promaster as a backup. I've always opted for Ti when the watch is as bulky such as my "real divers". Where the watch is slimmer, I have no complaints or issues with steel or bronze. Also consider that Citizen watches are the Toyota Corolla of the watch world. Plain, often dull. But it does it's job without fuss for decades.
Citizen is my favorite dive watch brand. I have an eco-drive Bn0151, original Fugu from 2018 (NY size, non-hacking, mineral), and an NY0040 (8204 hacking movement). I love their lume and 60 click bezels. I also don't mind mineral. I'd love to see this model in black with an orange seconds hand.
I have both. The ti Helm Vanuatu is sooooo much lighter than the steel, which I can't wear anymore as it's too heavy. Sometimes I like the heft of steel and the dings it gets from everyday uses the ti I wear when I need something not as heavy. I have a Citizen Ti watch that's eco with a similar band, it's fine. I usually wear it as my grab and go. But the ti weight on numerous watches I have is nice. So I split them and purchase based in look. Ti is a bonus to me that's not absolutely necessary.
Y fronts on the dial......Oh great thanks for that...Now it's all I see lol. Good to find an aussie watch YT chan. Recently got back into watches and I must admit it took a bit to get used to the weight of some of the steel watches I have so far with some like my seiko padi over 190 grams felt way too much at first. Got used to it now but I want to find some titanium watches next.
I own the NY0086 Pepsi on bracelet. Mine has the 8204 movement which hacks . I love this watch. I also own the Seiko SKX009 and it’s a coin toss on which I like better.
I have only a few Citizens compared to loads of Seikos and the reason why it’s a few, is due to the odd or garish designs. Love to have a “The Citizen” but the import price isn’t worth it, but those designs are perfect.
Sound level... Hi Jodi, nice review, but for some reason the volume was much lower than usual on my laptop at least, has anything changed on your recording setup?
Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Diver Quartz Men's Watch, Super Titanium, Two-Tone (Model: BN0200-56E) I prefer this one as it's an Eco-Drive, and I like the look of it as well. Just a Mineral crystal, and I'm not sure about the lume... Haven't got my hands on it yet.
After owning some titanium watches I've gotten quite used to the less weight compared to steel watches, however certain wathches look nicer with the steel look
I have a Helm Khuraburi in both steel and titanium. The thought was I would keep the one I liked best after comparing them. Turns out, sometimes I like the weight of the steel and sometimes I want lightness of titanium...so I kept both 😂.
I got it off Amazon for £268 and it’s bounced back up to £368 recently. At first I found it so light that I equated it with being cheap but it’s grown on me and I wear it daily.
Gotta love these NY00XX variants. This one seems like a winner. Solid end links, solid links, milled inner clasp, titanium and duratect coating! This looks great and the size is not too big!
I’ll take a Citizen over a Seiko any day, I have several and have never had an issue. Their dive watches are dependable and well built. I have a couple titanium but I prefer the feel and heft of stainless steel.
Totally agree, prefer the heft and weight of steel! Ordered a BN0150-61E today, already a couple of nato straps on the way! 😊
I 100% agree. Seiko couldn't care less about quality control and Citizen Eco is an awesome technology
I have a lot of watches from both brands. Citizen is great, but Seiko is clearly the more interesting watch maker.
Sold my titanium eco drive ax it was just too light on the wrist,generally love citizen though
@@blackpig52 light is good.
I have a close alternative, the Citizen Promaster Eco-Drive BN020056E. It's quartz, but full titanium with a similar-looking bracelet, but a perhaps nicer clasp with two very secure pushers. Because it's a Citizen, it's somewhat drab looking to most but I love its mostly unpolished dark titanium look and feel, and the Eco-Drive is just an 11/10, and as a bonus the lume is right up there with the best of my collection and one of the main reasons I like to wear it when I need night visibility. Another thing I notice is when I come inside from a sunny day, even in a lit room it looks like a bunch of fireflies sitting on the dial ;-). I only have a few other watches that do that (and they are not Seikos!). My only minor complaint is the ridiculously small (but screw-down) crown, but thankfully because it's quartz, I don't have to use it too frequently. It's also a bit thinner than the ones you're reviewing I think which makes it good for not catching on doorways, furniture, etc. which makes it my "nice" beater watch!
Citizen currently seems to be the king of affordable titanium watches.
I recently managed to get a Citizen NH9120 automatic titanium watch on sale at a department store for just 160€. I am not the biggest fan of open heart watches but this one really grew on me, especially the comfort!
They were the first to have a titanium watch
What a lovely watch! I wonder why they use mineral crystal when synthetic sapphire is so readily available and so many cheaper watches offer this luxury. You would think a rare-er material like titanium would be paired with sapphire. Also, very unique with the left hand crown!
There's the old 'mineral doesn't shatter it scratches' argument, but how many of these will actually go diving? 🤷
Just a guess, but maybe because they need to justify their more expensive ranges. If they offer it on cheaper models there won't be a reason to pay for higher spec models, and it'll cannibalize sales.
Funnily enough I think that's why people are clicking buy on so many Ali express models
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have a case and bracelet with hardly any scratches but a crystal full of scratches!
Citizen is the toyota corolla of watches
I own half a dozen seikos, some cost ~ 150 USD - 600 USD, but they all have a few things in common: misaligned internal/external bezels OR chapter rings, and the end links have gaps between lugs AND/OR the case itself.
Citizen diver for 200 USD? perfect chapter ring alignment, perfect finish, perfect chapter ring. Citizen chronograph for 150 USD? Hollow end links, but they don't move a nanometer, and have 100 % fit to the lugs and case. 200 USD solar GMT, 200 Meters of water resistance? 100 % fit on the bracelet, milled clasp, immaculate bezel for which all markings line up on ALL chapter ring marks.
I LOVE my seikos, all of them are something you can look at every 15 minutes and admire the design, details, but man, citizen is something else for the price.
To add to your analogy, you could say Seiko is Honda to Citizen's Toyota.
Honda and Seiko have their quarks but fanboys love them to no end (myself included).
Citizen is that much more practical Toyota 'it just works'. No nonsense, every once in awhile they'll surprise you with an underrated Celica promaster 😎
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I've got the same, and the titanium is very scratch resistant, even more so than stainless steel from daily activities. Normally a stainless steel clasp would get desk diving scratches within an hour of use, yet I've worn this for a few days at my desk already and the clasp still looks brand new.
It's not for desk use anyway.
that's for normal steel , and citizen knows this , that's way they use coated titanium , super titanium x5 less scratch resistant
Hi Jody, super review as always. I own the Blue titanium version of this watch and it is a really super watch and the mineral crystal, though disappointing holds up well to wear
I have three Citizen automatic divers including a 25 year old NY0040 which is still going great, looks amazing, has never been serviced and I still use it as my diving watch for holidays - incredible quality.
I love my SKX' too, but once someone buys and lives with one of these Citizen watches, they will really appreciate what a great little qwerky watch this is. Cheers Noel
Hey, do you ever change the gaskets on your NY0040? Or have they held up all this time?
Citizen is unparalleled in price/performance I think. All my citizens are perfectly aligned, and no QC issues whatsoever. Which I can't say about my Seikos. Sure, some citizens are "acquired taste*, but when they nail a design, it's usually a really good deal
My jp2007 have big hand/dial misalignment problems. I got it back to the dealer where I bought it to get a new one and the other one was exactly the same. You can even see this on their commercial photos as well, if the angle is right.
Can't go wrong with Citizen especially when they come with a six year warranty.
My Citizen Sport AW1598-70X is a God send to be honest, absolutely love it. Keeps time, aligns properly, has a stunning lume, nice weight and the 'eco-drive' is a nice talking point.
Accuracy for an automatic caliber?
Hmmm. Your comment and among others, are making me think about my next possible watch. I've never taken Citizen seriously, but that may change in getting the next watch
I've got a citizen eco drive diver style watch, bought for my 40th birthday, lost it years ago, found it other day sorting out the garage still running perfectly almost 12 years later!!!
The Citizen Promaster Fugu is the new (and improved) SKX.
Excellent review as usual. Regarding the issue of mineral crystal v sapphire: sapphire is obviously preferable but mineral crystal is surprisingly scratch resistant, at least Citizen's version. I've had my Promaster diver since 2017 and wear it almost every day during the summer months when I'm at the beach, pool, and lake and it is yet to pick up a single scratch. Which has surprised the hell out of me.
Why even upgrade the glass? Mineral is fine. If it really scratches up, then you can replace it with a sapphire one, I guess. Lovely watches and lovely review as always! 😎
Between Citizen titanium divers, the fabulous Tudor Pelagos, and the legendary Fifty Fathom titanium, I must say that titanium is awesome choice of material for divers.
Thanks for the review. I prefer Ti for the light weight, though I do own some steel watches. Past $300 USD, I find it difficult to justify buying something that is not Ti. I love the higher end JDM watches, and own several Casio Oceanus, as well as a Seiko Astron Nexter, and a Citizen Attesa, all of which are Ti.
I plan to get at least 2 citizen titanium eco exceed watches. They are polished and have duratec treated. I like light ready to go watches that look good.
My Citizen Promaster Titanium seems to scratch as easy as any other titanium watch, I still love it though, it's so light and looks great
Hi Jody. I watch your vids whenever my wife isn’t around. I have bought two SD1970’s, Seiko SNZH53, ordered a Helm Komodo because of you. I stumbled onto your videos in 2021, you’re my number 1 reference. These days, my 8 yr old runs to my iPad or TV when she hears your drum beat and tick tocking intro. Helloooo she says! 😂
in light of the titanium cases, I hope you can review a Heimdallr Tuna in titanium.
Great review. FYI, the differences I see compared to the NY0040:
1. This one hacks, unlike the 8203 movement in the NY0040.
2. This one is titanium rather than steel, but dimensions and physical specs are about the same.
3. This one doesn’t have the dated looking greenish/yellow indices.
4. It has a colored minute hand and a longer second hand with a spot of color.
5. The bracelet that came with the NY0040 has cheap folded links, hollow/folded endlinks, and a diver extension. However, I wear my NY0040 on a bracelet that I stole from a Fugu I flipped (don’t like the Fugu, mainly due to the indices). The bracelet on this NY0100 seems a bit nicer than the stock Fugu bracelet, which doesn’t have a foldover clasp but does have solid endlinks. That said, I just learned from this video that the bracelet on this NY0100 doesn’t taper, so it’s 20mm on both the clasp and lug ends. The bracelets for the NY0040 and the Fugu taper from 20mm to 18mm and don’t have the polished accent stripes on the links.
6. Lume on this watch appears to be more blueish than the NY0040, which has green lume.
7. This one has a signed crown, the NY0040 does not.
I like that the NY0100 has hacking and is lighter and less shiny due to the titanium. I would be much more likely to buy the NY0100 if it had a sapphire crystal and a tapered bracelet.
The ny0040 current production hacks, Citizen upgraded the movement
Citizen was my very first analog watch I ever owned it is still a brand I fall back on. For the price the quality is awesome. As always thank you Jody for keeping it real. If it ever crossed your mind could you think about doing a video on vintage versus new and the trends vs big and small. Thank sit
Perfect timing for the review Jody! Got the exact same watch in Green for $399 in Feb and love it. Procrastinated over the mineral crystal but eventually pulled the trigger. Thanks for another great review 👍🏽
I've got the blue dial one.
Pretty watch, very lightweight.
That titanium doesn't scratch at all.
The complaint I have is the day-date background. I would prefer white instead of black, I can't see that date.
And also the position of the key, but I don't find it that anoying.
Nice video!
You've got something wrong here about Citizen titanium. It's run of the mill titanium until Citizen treat it, then they call it super titanium. You'll usually see "Base Titanium" on the caseback which is normal titanium. Then different names and logos mean different hardness of coatings. Also raw grade 2 titanium can be and is polished fine.
Promaster watches certainly do look better in person. I just received the NY0040 that I ordered and was blown away by the amazing finish and great look (it’s my first Citizen). It’ll be even better with a jubilee!
🔥🔥 ordered the long island jubilee for my NY0040 full lume, just waiting on it 😍
Yep, I got the Long Island one too. Can't wait to receive it!
Please take a look at the Circula Divesport! This micro brand from Germany uses top grade materials and movements (Full Titanium, SW-200 elabore and top Lume). Circula is highly innovative and energetic so this company will not be micro much longer!
Last year bought the NY0108-82X Titanium for the Italian market. 1000 pieces only. Great watch. One of my goto watches in my collection.
We need more Ti watches as many people such as myself are allergic to Nickle and at least during the summer (hot weather) I can have an allergic reaction to 316L watches due to nickel leaching. I own the NY0100-50XE and basically wore it all last summer (as it is currently my only Ti watch) and my Stainless watches caused a skin reaction during the hotter temps of summer. So more and more Titanium watches on the market is great for me. Edit.. this watch is extra nice for me as I am a left handeder.. so the lefty crown is awesome.
Got my blue one for 200 € quit from an AD. I‘ve put it on a matching colours split nato and now it’s even lighter. Perfect summer watch for me
Thank you JODY! Sitting here on a job site all night, youtube letting me down, and here comes my favorite watch loving Scottie!
Ha! Thanks for watching mate, don't work too hard 😉
I cannot stop seeing the 12 o’clock index looking like classic tighty-whitey underwear.
😂😂😂
I like the green. The 8pm crown is great, I wear my watch on the right. Mineral crystal on a diver is best - it'll scratch not shatter. I have steel & titanium Citizen watches, I like both.
My titanium Citizen Challenge Diver is just excellent. Lightweight, smooth back, accurate and good lume. Looks good too. All boxes checked.
A titanium citizen was my first watch, it was also the one that got me into collecting watches. I haven't worn it for a couple of years due to I assume my wrists changing size and it no longer fits 100%.
I've been yearning for a new watch for a while but instead I did the 'change the strap first' idea so I picked up a black silicone strap for the titanium citizen and it is amazing! Its like a new watch and now I love wearing it!!
For a while I had a Helm Vanuatu in stainless steel and titanium. I liked the heft and scratch resistance of the SS one, but ended up trading it for a SS Khuraburi, simply because the Titanium one is so easy to wear by comparison. I also have a Dailos Waveform which is titanium and I sometimes forget I'm even wearing it! So Titanium is good, but it's not a hard wearing (generally) as Steel and I have no doubt there's a place for both in a collection.
I think you wildly underestimated the other Citizen diver's watch you reviewed. It had a GMT function and a saphire crystal. So it ticked all the boxes for me. I imported it from Japan via Italy and I'm rather happy with it.
How was the import process?
@@pan-angloinsurancebroker9618 I did it via an online shop. As the shop is allocated in Italy there were no further import duties into the EU. Just search for "Harvey Store".
I can’t speak to titanium, as I’ve only had stainless so far. But I will say I would love to pick up a Citizen if I could find one that I liked the look of.
I have 3 Titanium watches and I love them ... I wish ALL my watches were made with titanium !
I just prefer the colour, finishing and weight of steel. But I do see where it could be beneficial on some watches.
I prefer Ti by a hiuge margin, love the look and the weight.
I have bought a few timepieces myself over the last couple of years - that has to be the understatement if the centuary
The Promaster super titanium automatic NB6004-83E is half price in the UK at the moment at £495.
The hands and indices are a bit toy store on both watches. I bought the Ray Mears equivalent with a Kevlar strap and sapphire for 250gbp. Beware the citizen monocoque cases though, you deserve a medal if you can get through the bezel, gaskets, crystal and remove the stem which you need to do in order to change the capacitor. It does sit very comfortably on the wrist though.
I love the lightness of titanium watches. Citizen, Casio, and Massdrop (made by Armour Lite).
Shoutout to Paul for the loans as plenty to like about these Titanium watches if you manage to get them for a bargain price. Great video Jody!
Good morning from South Africa. I have one Titanium watch. The others are Stainless steel. Mostly Titanium is an incredible material. But in some watches it makes it too light.
I noticed yesterday that H Samuel in the UK have the crazy (a good thing) titanium BN0228-06W on sale for £199 - only the mineral glass/my clumsiness stopped me
A good fit is more important than weight for me - up to a sensible max of about 180 grams. Too light can also feel a bit flimsy - even though titanium is strong.
Fit / size is everything.
Interesting point mate!
Hi again Jody!
Possibly unpopular opinion here, and I know we've gotten used to it the other way, but I think that for a watch worn on the left wrist the crown should be on the left and for a watch worn on the right wrist the crown should be on the right.
This is counter to the convention so why do I think this?
I think that the left is the right place for a left wrist watch because the crown should be away from the flex point of the wrist. This means the crown is never jabbing or poking the where and it also means that flexing the wrist is never putting any mechanical stress on the crown should that be a consideration.
If you are going to manipulate the crown of any watch, it's always best practice to remove the watch first. Therefore placing the crown on the left of a conventional left-wrist watch doesn't make it any less convenient to operate.
It does rather complicate winding or setting while the watch is being worn but of course you're not supposed to do that. And considering especially on modern watches how little you actually have to fiddle with the crown, I think it's an excellent solution. Especially if you have a modern quartz or solar timepiece, where you're never winding it and you're very rarely setting it because you never have to set it because it's always running.
12:00 and 6:00 crowns hold a special place for me and those I think it would be safer to manipulate while you're wearing the watch, plus they tend to move the crown completely out of the way.
Please let me know what you think!
I shifted to Citizen from Seiko first simply because build quality was dollar for dollar, significantly better. Then I came across their Titanium versions and that sealed the deal to never go back to Seiko.
Looking at it objectively, the only reason I liked the Seikos was because their designs were on point, the rest, honestly, was just passion blinding me from all their flaws and limited value for money.
You talked me into the tactical frog FXD, and I LOVE it. My first Ti watch.😊
Hi paulfrom Perth, starbuy has a special today only. For tis watch $389 Aussie. Keep up the great work Dr Jody
For affordable decent Ti watches, Citizen is a solid choice.
Purchased my first full Ti Citizen a month ago.
A brilliant Promaster Sky CB0140: Full Titanium case and bracelet , Eco Drive, Radio controlled, sapphire crystal, great lume.
Although it is a 2015 model and I got it secondhand, it barely has any marks.
I accidentally hit a wall with it while locking my bike, I expected some damage, but I was very surprised to see no damage at all.
Feeling on wrist is marvellous, it is a big watch but it only weighs in at 100g on my 7 inch wrist, and the titanium feels very comfortable due to its ability to match your body temperature very fast.
Pretty solid tool watch, extremely happy with it, especially since I only paid half price..😊
I WOULD be a fan of titanium If it wasnt always Matt/blasted. Titanium can have a super beautiful high polish shine to it as well! 🙏
I think personally I will still purchase the steel given the option. I collected some vintage watches and sometimes the rare one can come with the "usage damage" from the previous owner. I have yet finding anyone that can polish Titanium, DLC, and gold plated watches but steel is never a problem and I have found several watchmaker that can polished the watch to its formal glory. Cheers
My first dive watch for diving in the late 90's was a Citizen titanium eco drive.
Were the measurements confirmed on this example? Citizen's sizing confuses me. I have an NY0140-80E with the same dial and hands as this one, but it measures 44mm like the newer Fugu. I like that this newer hand set uses lume on the second indicator end instead of on the opposite end, though it's a much smaller lumed area. Thanks for sharing this content, it's very well done.
This model has been on my radar for years. Great review Joddo
I've had Ti watches and I decided that I liked the heavier steel feel. Some of the biggest miners of Ti aren't my favorite countries, either.
Great review Jody, nice to see Citizen getting some love. Shame about that 8 o'clock crown though, my lookalike BN0150 manages fine with one at 4 o'clock. I have a Titanium BJ7111-51M, I love the feel of the watch it's warm and silky smooth, I just need a Super Tough now!
Would love to see an "upmarket" version of these with the 90XX series movement and sapphire. Would be the ultimate daily.
Wether you like citizen or seiko...nice to know we have two great options from two great Japanese companies with impressive histories
I think Citizen are massively underrated. I love these Promasters. Well done Paul from WA!! Y fronts! 🤣🤣
Invicta Pro Diver 0420 Men's Automatic Watch - 45 mm
Currently this watch is £81.10 in the Amazon spring sale.... Seiko NH35 movement, titanium...fit n finish on a par with the citizen and for me this watch is a great entry into whether you like or can get on with the material and how light it is...regular pieces on the site are around £115.00 so still an absolute steal! Hi from the good old UK btw...love the channel and your reviews 😊
Just had a look. If that was 40/42mm it would be on its way to me right now but 45mm, why? It's also not ISO rated like the Citizen.
@@S-Ltd1000 yeah! Size put me off a little too but for the price it's great to get and ensure that the material is something you can live with...especially the weight... appreciate the reply dude...size seems a thing with Invicta...they do have smaller models but many nice looking watches are completely oversized...if they had this is the 40mm range of pro divers... I'm pretty sure they would sell by the bucket load...Invicta need to streamline and get back to small and mid size...then again panerie just released women's watches at W&W...the size...39mm...😳😳 The mind boggles
€400 is my 'mineral' limit here in Ireland, given that's how much I spent on a Seiko 5KX GMT this month, and that was really just because I had to have it.
I love Citizen, and my Eco-Drive Promaster Diver gets so much wear, but titanium isn't enough to command the retail they expect on the watch in your video. Orient completely changed the game with the Kamasu. Yes it's not ISO-rated, yes the crown is finicky, but the sapphire crystal makes it.
I got the Helm Kuraburi and Vanuatu in titanium and judging from the size of these chunkers , the steel versions would north of 200 grams. In this case , im glad I waited for the lighter titanium versions.
The lack of weight is an advantage - as well a disadvantage... some people may say the steel version feels more substantial... therefore higher qualtity.... just from a human psychological point of view....
I picked up the NY0100-50X for my stepson in Starbuy’s Boxing Day sale for a better price again than that - they had it for $399 in one of their weekend flash sales 6 or so weeks ago - I got it for $369. Cheaper again!!! : )
I love the colour and finish of titanium. I have three in my collection and they definitely are the most comfortable to wear. No sapphire, that is a shame. Great review as always.
Thanks for sharing Jody! I’d say overall Seiko has better designs but Citizen do surprise me at times, this one’s great! Although I do own a Citizen diver already and that is misaligned! My Seiko are perfectly aligned. So it’s all a luck of the draw
You are a very lucky person!
I’d say you got unlucky as I have owned at least a dozen citizen divers and they’ve all been aligned whereas I’ve owned even more seiko divers And approximately half of those, I’ve had alignment issues.
@@johnbuckmaster8117 ah. I think Jody was referring to my point about Seikos. I’ve had half a dozen Seiko divers and all been perfect. Despite my one Citizen diver that was misaligned, I would still buy Citizen again as the other design and detail elements I do really admire. Like I said, luck of the draw.
@@GodIsInHisHeaven What model Citizen do you have?
@@GodIsInHisHeaven I’m almost even up in my collection… 6 citizens, 8 Seiko’s… I used to buy a lot more Seiko’s but I scaled back and have gravitated towards other brands… Seco just seem to start charging more While not really giving you more. I did buy a new alpinist Which Which has become my favorite ‘all around’..,, Cheers
I have an NY0084-89E with the 8203 movement in steel. It can be had for under $200USD. I love the watch (bracelet sucks) and just prefer steel at a discounted price over titanium. The weight savings of titanium isn't a big deal to me.....but it's cool and I wouldn't mind one in my collection.
If you can enjoy different styles of watches, then why not the same with materials. It's the luxury of owning a collection of a wide range of watches, which includes a blend of materials. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
Great video Jody. I've been a titanium fan for a long time - love the feel of the metal. I've owned a Citizen Promaster perpetual calendar for 12+ years and the Duratect has really been scratch-resistant (unlike my titanium Seiko Samurai ☹). Oh, and thanks a bunch for drawing attention to the 'underpants'. It's like the FedEx arrow - once you see it, you can't unsee it....
I am contemplating taking up engraving, I have seen some nice engraved watch bracelets so I guess I would go for steel.
Can titanium carry the same high polish as steel? All of my titanium watches are brushed or matte.
I bought a Ray Mears promaster tough.Within a week I dinged the smooth bezel and the nick was quite deep and annoying.Also the clasp (supposedly titanium)scratched for fun.So I sold it and bought a full lume NY0040.Steel and tough.Several months in no marks on case or bezel.So I'm now very suspicious about Citizens titanium.Also the NY0040 cost £180 sterling,so was about half the price.I stuck it on a jubilee available on the bay for £19 from a UK seller which is excellent quality and on a par with Seiko's skx jubilee.(I've also owned a Rolex jubilee and quite frankly I prefer the looseness of the copies,and their quality is not far off, believe it or not.im not saying the watches are as nice as a datejust though.but if anyone watching this vid is thinking about these two ,I would go NY0040 all day.
Tq. Is this limited to Australia only? Can't find in Malaysia.
I have a couple of titanium, an eco drive and a Mysterious Code titanium sterile dial. I like a lighter watch.
I have always been of fan of Citizen, I have several everyday watches and an absolutely beautiful Campanola. The just make a great product.
I much prefer the heft of steel if I had to choose between the two but titanium does have a place in my collection; I do have a Seiko Shogun, Seiko 1000m Golden Tuna, and a Seiko SNR045, all of which are titanium.
To be honest , I love it it ,looks more robust than a standard diver but without looking like a tank
I love Titanium watches depending on who makes them. Zelos are releasing some HH3 watches in Titanium soon, would be great to see you review one of those. Having a couple of Phoibos, Signum, Zelos and Helm, big fan of them they're barely noticeable when wearing.
With an eco-drive, would maybe get rid of the protruding caseback. And be more accurate and reliable, too. Perhaps more affordable as well?
Got the blue one, got it when they used to be spec'd with the non hacking movement but it doesn't bother me at all. This watch is perfect everyday beater, the glass is mineral but the bezel sits slightly above so it protects it, mine had no scratches :). The super titanium is great, very hard and very resistant to scratches. The bracelet never used it, just use it on rubber or nato. Probably the watch I wear the most and the only one I always take on vacations. The best is I got it for less than 150€ new at a jewelery closeout. I recommend it, cheap, solid, comfortable and reliable.
Thx Jody, been waiting for this review since ages 😂
Hey there, I just bought a green one! How’s the mineral glass doing? I heard the besel is soft and it gets dings when banged on, but I don’t think that’s true.
@@hayup The glass is doing perfect, 0 visible scratches. The bezel has almost no scratches after 2 years.
I've only owned 2 titanium watches , a Boldr Venture that was too small yet chunky and currently have a RZE GMT which I'm not truly sold on ....... I'll stick to SS
When I dive I use a Promaster as a backup. I've always opted for Ti when the watch is as bulky such as my "real divers". Where the watch is slimmer, I have no complaints or issues with steel or bronze. Also consider that Citizen watches are the Toyota Corolla of the watch world. Plain, often dull. But it does it's job without fuss for decades.
All my watches are stainless, king turtle, Seiko 5, srp715, Helm. I would love one of these Ti watches.
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Citizen is my favorite dive watch brand. I have an eco-drive Bn0151, original Fugu from 2018 (NY size, non-hacking, mineral), and an NY0040 (8204 hacking movement). I love their lume and 60 click bezels. I also don't mind mineral. I'd love to see this model in black with an orange seconds hand.
I have both. The ti Helm Vanuatu is sooooo much lighter than the steel, which I can't wear anymore as it's too heavy. Sometimes I like the heft of steel and the dings it gets from everyday uses the ti I wear when I need something not as heavy. I have a Citizen Ti watch that's eco with a similar band, it's fine. I usually wear it as my grab and go. But the ti weight on numerous watches I have is nice. So I split them and purchase based in look. Ti is a bonus to me that's not absolutely necessary.
Y fronts on the dial......Oh great thanks for that...Now it's all I see lol. Good to find an aussie watch YT chan. Recently got back into watches and I must admit it took a bit to get used to the weight of some of the steel watches I have so far with some like my seiko padi over 190 grams felt way too much at first. Got used to it now but I want to find some titanium watches next.
I own the NY0086 Pepsi on bracelet. Mine has the 8204 movement which hacks . I love this watch. I also own the Seiko SKX009 and it’s a coin toss on which I like better.
I have only a few Citizens compared to loads of Seikos and the reason why it’s a few, is due to the odd or garish designs. Love to have a “The Citizen” but the import price isn’t worth it, but those designs are perfect.
Citizen pmd56-2952 and at6085 are my personal titanium watches.
Sound level... Hi Jodi, nice review, but for some reason the volume was much lower than usual on my laptop at least, has anything changed on your recording setup?
Yes, I totally agree with you. So much that I have the Blue Titanium version. 🙂
Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Diver Quartz Men's Watch, Super Titanium, Two-Tone (Model: BN0200-56E)
I prefer this one as it's an Eco-Drive, and I like the look of it as well. Just a Mineral crystal, and I'm not sure about the lume... Haven't got my hands on it yet.
After owning some titanium watches I've gotten quite used to the less weight compared to steel watches, however certain wathches look nicer with the steel look
Citizen were pioneers of titanium watches in the 70s or 80s. Great to see Citizen come full circle
I have a Helm Khuraburi in both steel and titanium. The thought was I would keep the one I liked best after comparing them. Turns out, sometimes I like the weight of the steel and sometimes I want lightness of titanium...so I kept both 😂.
how long did you wait?
@@jk23_ A year for the steel, was in the 2nd batch of the titanium.