EXPANSION: Florida State Using B1G as Leverage for Better ACC Deal?
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- More college football expansion talk: Is Florida State Athletic Director Michael Alford using the Big Ten as leverage to get a better deal to remain in the ACC? Or does FSU still want out of the ACC at all costs and therefore position the Seminoles for an upgrade to the Big Ten Conference? We will explore the numerous options and lay out some key dates coming soon.
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I agree with you the FSU legitimately wants out of the ACC.
Basically, Florida State wants to get away entirely from ESPN plain and simple
Gonna be hard to do that when they’re playing in the SEC
I would have to make an adjustment on that my Nole brother.
The fans want that... I would estimate a little over half, after the snub. Before the snub the general fan base was overwhelmingly in support of joining the SEC.
I am now going into my 22nd year as a Florida State booster and I am blessed to have worked my way up to Platinum level.
Several of my fellow boosters and friends, especially those who understand business, still feel like the SEC is the best fit for Florida State and has been since the 50's.
Even though I strongly support this the most important thing is we get out of the ACC.
If that means joining the Big ten, so be it.
But growing up as a southern boy in Pensacola Florida, I grew up watching SEC football.
I think any Seminole fan that grew up within the SEC footprint should ask themselves one question. That is once Florida State was done with their game, who were you tuning in to watch? Ohio State? Michigan? Penn State? Maybe. Or... Was it any team in the SEC over those programs. Certainly not if you grew up in the '70s, '80s, or early '90s. If you're honest with yourself I think you're saying SEC.
FSU wants out of the ACC and the B1G is the top of FSU wish list.
Except everyone says the TV networks are out of money so how is the B1G going to add more teams before their next contract? Also, with the super league coming, why pay to leave the ACC.
@@davidb3422 Define soon for super leauge please? payout Difference between B1G and ACC do teh math please not jus this year but 10 yeaers down the road. TV networks are having to redo service Air Verse streaming
We just want out. FSU wants nothing to do with ESPN, or the ACC.
FSU fanboy here who enrolled as a grad student at FSU in 1975 and lived through the Bobby Bowden glory days in football there. I was an academic scholarship student and choose FSU due to it's strong academics in physics (Paul Dirac was a prof there at the time; hard to beat that). Due to the strong physics program and solid pols FSU was able to land NSF big bucks to construct and house the strongest magnet in the world at the FSU Mag Lab which attracts CERN guys all the time. But enough nerd talk, lets get to football. FSU never was a good fit in the ACC and joined to upgrade it's basketball program. In more recent times FSU fans have been griping about bad calls from ACC zebras, something I have to say has some merit. The playoff snub last year and Boo's failure to advocate more strongly for FSU was the straw that broke the camel's back. Well before last year it was obvious FSU was the ACC team getting the most eyeballs even with Clemson's recent success. Bottom line is for some time FSU has been at odds with the ACC over multiple issues and has no desire to stay.
Fsu is leaving the Acc.
Anyone who follows what FSU is doing realized a long time ago that they want to leave the ACC! Plain and simple. It'd be nuts for them to stay.
Look at the Prez background ,that is why he was hired ,I think research exp. AD is Looking at B1G, not SEC. I think the FSU BOT has been trying to get to the B1G For years also
As an LSU fan, I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC. I think the Big Ten wants Miami and North Carolina for the most part anyway.
Using B1G as leverage is idiotic this is the worse commentary ever! You have better content than this but I’m sure this boosted your ratings! The business relationship will solidify B1G as the new power in college football and they will never look back with FSU in the B1G!
June 30th is a major date to watch. FSU to the B1G
We all know fs want money. Who ever oay them is where they are going and same for Clemson. However, both teams sign the gor's and must pay 500 million, which nither school can pay. It's been 5 years since fs started whining, with no success. By fs and clemson leaving will not destroy the acc. John swafford said who knew how to keep teams from leaving and so far it's working.
Fsu wants in the B1G. Apparent because of their large investments to get AAU
FSU fans want that But fans do not make decisions.
Nope, FSU is out of the ACC. The relationship is toxic at best.
No!!!
The ACC simply doesn’t have the leverage to secure a better deal than the deals the B1G or SEC can offer. FSU wants out of the ACC. The lawsuits are intended to mitigate the exit fees as much as possible. FSU pays the court settled fees and moves on.
The ACC doesn't (now didn't) have to get the same as the SEC/B1G, only close enough to remain peer and competitive.
Hopefully NC holds out for that dream..because you will look even more foolish after Clemson and FSU leave and espn slashes what they are going to pay by half...
@@cdray-qy7wp You never learn....
@@tarheel7406 Nor do you it appears.
@@richardbrookins5406 LOL... I offer reasoning that reconciles with facts and history to support my conclusions. You offer delusions. Just amazing how unimpressive FSU defenders have been. Still absolutely no idea where FSU stands or how it is viewed from the outside.
FSU wants out of the ACC, no one takes the ACC seriously and it'll be a hinderance to future championship aspirations.
No appears to take FSU seriously....
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
Some of these stories are amazingly void of corroborated insights. The $572M number is not a number anymore. It's for the GOR which contractually now appears is VOID when teams depart the ACC. The real exit fee is somewhere between $0 and $120M. If you think FSU is bluffing, stay tuned.
572 mil was direct quote from athletic director.
It isn’t that FSU doesn’t desperately want out of the ACC. It is just that the ACC has done well to stall thus far and drag this out and refusing to come to the settlement table. They can’t stall forever, but they can sure make it annoying for everyone
Outside of procedural rulings The ACC has no reason to settle as of yet. But that's coming...
No, FSU really does want B1G. Any outcome that results in staying in the ACC is a complete failure
The only way possible to leverage something is to actually have a signed contract. Otherwise, there is no leverage! So, Florida State and Clemson are risking a lot in suing the ACC without anything to leverage for the future. This is called a blind call option when you are betting a future that you hope will happen against the media rights of the ACC. Let me know if this works for you! Right now, everyone knows who has been watching that Florida State and Clemson are in a lawsuit with the ACC and they are doing everything possible to get out of it. Let me know if you honestly think that such a move would be desirable for any other athletic conference in the United States to have the same thing happen to them if their member schools have an issue with their conference? Conference realignment is sticky stuff! You never know if the SEC or Big 10 or Big 12 will lose media rights revenues in the future or if media rights companies won't be able to fulfill on their legal obligations to pay athletic conferences in the future. So, there are all kinds of risks, mergers and acquisitions of schools in and out of conferences, and infuriated fanbases that can decimate media rights projections. It is a very dangerous game that is being played right now.
FSU wants to leave the ACC. If you are not a North Carolina school, you have no value to the ACC.
Silly....
ACC is weak sauce
@@RoscoPColtrane17 The ACC is the only conference to win a natty over the past ~10 years in football, men's basketball, and baseball.
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A)
ACC: 9-5-3
B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston)
BIGEAST: 6-4-4
SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK)
B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)
CWS Appearances (Last 8), Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2023. 2020 N/A)
ACC: 19-1 (includes STANFORD, ND) (Champ(s): UVA)
BIG12: 10-0 (includes ARIZ, excludes TXAM, TEXAS, OK)
SEC: 33-5 (includes TXAM, TX, OK) (Champ(s): FLORIDA, VANDY, MISS-ST, MISS, LSU)
B1G: 02-0 (includes WASH)
Easily the most athletically balanced of all.
@@tarheel7406 Football is all that matters, the rest are a consultation prize.
@@RoscoPColtrane17
a) Measured by the football playoff, the ACC was #2 coming into this realignment. #3 now.
b) Those who only have football to offer, say it's just about football.
Not a chance. The relationship is ruined plus it has never been good anyway.
Unless FSU pays close to full freight there is not going to be a settlement this summer.
This summer or ever?
@@LockedOnBIG10 this summer. 95% of civil cases settle so there certainly could be one later but it's not in ACC'S best interest to do it anytime soon. The other question is does FSU really have a landing spot before the current TV deals expire?
Good filler but nah, FSU, its fans and alumni are done with crooked Tobacco Road run ACC and hate ESPN. Vast majority don't want SEC and feel where FSU is and is going to be academically, huge national exposure, and playing top football games with BiG10 promoted by FOX is a no brainer...
Filler? Come on. Serious thanks for watching!!
@@LockedOnBIG10 Pay no attention to moronic FSU defenders. T-Road hasn't run the ACC in decades. It was FSU who pushed for all of the failed expansions over some degree of T-Road objection.
@@tarheel7406 BS! Tobacco Road BB has always ran the ACC! Their the ones believing BB should be out front for the ACC over FB.
@@arronfrazier7873 Nope... All of the expansions from FSU to L'VILLE were football focused, pushed by the football schools, and done over some degree of T-Road objections. The ACC was right to focus on football, FSU's choices were bad and none have meet expectations. Specifically, the ACC should not have agreed to MIAMI's demand to also invite CUSE/BC. UNC voted against MIAMI/VATECH and was likely forced to approve the follow-ups due to agreeing to MIAMI's demands.
Please learn first, then think, then maybe comment.
@@tarheel7406 the scary thing is I think you actually believe the BS you spout...
FSU WAnts out the ACC, like a fat kid that wants cake
ESPN & the ACC did the impossible. They United the academic portion of FSU that wants the Big 10 to make FSU a world class university, and most the fans, alumni, and boosters who are angry about stuff like keeping FSU out of the playoff. For FSU it will probably be the Big 10 & since the SEC interest is apparently tepid ( at best) Clemson as well.
Maybe. Any connection between FSU's hard swing towards the B1G and UNC's hard swing towards the SEC?
There are a few things. 1: The former head of UNC who was pro Big 10 left for Michigan St. 2: I think the comments from ESPN like referring to the FSU BOT and their lawyers as “Felons” does not exactly show love towards FSU. My personal opinion is this is is a “Quid Pro Quo” deal. The Big 10 gets what it wants ( Florida St) and probably Clemson as the running mate to improve football and Big 10 TV footprint and the SEC gets what it wants ( UNC) and probably UVA (although don’t dismiss Kansas) for hoops, improved TV Msrlet footprint and academics.
@@tarheel7406So, all you do is pointlessly inject your irrelevant opinions on all videos concerning FSU. Interesting.
Dude literally has to comment on FSU in every podcast..usually disparaging them while pumping up his irrelevant team...the one that has terrible tv ratings, apathetic fan support and mid to bad teams...serious psychological issues..
Big10 probably told them they already have teams in par with NC like Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota, etc and want to add some teams people outside of those markets actually watch...
Not an Iowa fan, but I see over 60 mill in endorsements and still growing have left the Olympics because Clark didn't get picked for team, what are selection committee thinking, certainly not viewership & money.
Agree
FSU wants out of the inneptitude of the ACC management and being under the thumb of ESPN/Disney. I will go as far as to say that IF FSU remains in the ACC they will be making more after ESPN renegotiated that deal than they would have made in either the SEC or the B!G. If all things are created equal theyre gone
The number will not be anywhere near 572 million to exit.
Probably not. But how much?
Id just like to point out that the only person that i know who said it's a look in was jim Phillips everywhere else has reported it as an opt in or out
2027: Phase 1 of the ESPN Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing:
- Florida State
- Clemson
- Miami
- North Carolina
- Virginia
- Stanford
- Cal
- Utah
- Colorado
- Arizona State
- scheduling agreement with independent Notre Dame
Nah, they just know that it's very unlikely the ACC is ever going to draw the money we will (SEC and BIG). North Carolina and Virginia are locks to be accepted by either conference. I know that the SEC would take those two. But FSU? Clemson? Not so confident in that. As far as I am concerned, you guys are welcome to take them. Miami too.
Also had odd 2 years ago that FSU would be the next team to join sec. If Texas couldn't get away from ESPN Noway FSU can
And these two things are related? Please explain how Texas tried to get away from ESPN. Cite sources. Surely you have sources, right?
They have never had a legitimate invitation to the Big10, so it could well be for leverage. I know for a fact that UNC and Clemson original play was for leverage.
There is no better deal to he had in the ACC. What better could the ACC offer?
FSU would love to leave as long as a negotiated exit price is doable. As a result of this bluster, ESPN does indeed need to decide to keep the ACC hostage or make the money right with the current market value. The smart play is to keep the court battles going until ESPN has to make it decision. If ESPN pays up then the ACC will continue on, if not then I hope the negotiated settlements aren't too high so my Tarheels can bolt. The biggest hurdle to ACC survival is a cash strapped media industry. The ESPN/SEC deal nearly broke ESPN, which is why the PAC12 imploded due to ESPN's penny pinching. The real question is how deep the ESPN pockets are, it may be better for them to ditch the ACC and consolidate the brands to the SEC product. However, the run the risk of losing a few brands to the BIG and FOX. We will see, but it's at least a year before anything breaks.
The best thing we can use is history. You are correct with ESPN and the PAC. They were able to get 4 schools into the Big XII & 2 into the ACC, but most importantly, they were willing to sacrifice the most important non LA brands ( UO & UW) to Fox & the Big 10. Which tells you they are willing to do the same with Florida St if necessary. One other point; We will get the answer before 1 year. The opt out date is 02/01/25: ESPN has three options. 1: Sign on until 2037 as is. 2: Walk away. 3: Renegotiate with the ACC. Option 3 is most likely, but they know Clemson & FSU are not signing on for less $. Florida St might not sign on no matter what. Will UNC? What about ND, UVA, Miami?
@@davidbrown386 I think if ESPN offers a fair market value and with the uncertainly of the legal outcomes then the ACC will survive into the near future. Barring a legal outcome that reduces the buyout amount significantly then ACC keeps all current members in that scenario. IF the buyout as currently projected 500+ billion stands then that would negate any move by any member for any a reason for a considerable time. So with the legal uncertainty and if ESPN ponies up the cash, then the ACC members would jump to approve the better deal. The ball is in ESPN's court, I just hope the 2 Mega Conferences are ready for the whirlwind if ESPN chooses to blow up the deal.
ESPN has had years to offer “Fair market Value.” Besides what is “Fair Market Value? We know the PAC demanded $50m per school and ESPN walked away. Which tells you they have a number and that number goes down unless Clemson & Florida St are locked in until 2037.
@@davidbrown386 Your last comment makes no sense if ESPN has a unilateral renewal as FSU has claimed.
Tar Heel wrong again ( as usual). It seems like you care about FSU then UNC. ESPN’s option means. They can:: 1: Walk away. 2; Accept the deal as is until 2037.3: Renegotiate.
FSU should join the PAC 12 😂😂😂😂
Well fans don’t want to be in the ACC. Things may be different behind closed doors. And we know ESPN & the SEC conspired to keep us out of the playoffs. Argue with your momma.
FSU’s wish list is #1 B1G #2-500 B1G
Big10 or Bust😂😂😂
I currently have 50/50 either way. I have "bust" as the BIG12. What is your "bust" in this context?
@@tarheel7406 My Hope is the BIG10, because of match ups I would travel to see,aside from that SEC has no media draw for me as a conference member. Just my humble opinion.
@@arieljudah9259 Of course FSU would hope for the B1G in an "or bust" situation. I asked you what a "bust" means in this situation.
@@tarheel7406 My Bust would be any conference other than the BIG10 because of personal preference. So in liu of that Big12, SEC, MEAC ect. all would be a bust.
@@arieljudah9259 Then we seem to agree..., it's B1G or BIG12. All other options aren't really feasible as things stand.
There is 0 chance of that!
N O C H A N C E AT ALL
Nope
Pretty sure that Florida State and the other ACC will need to win in court before they can go anywhere
They will
As an FSU fan and alum, I would be GREATLY disappointed to see the university go through ALL OF THIS, just to get a better deal in a mediocre conference. If FSU did that, I would lose a great deal of respect for the university and athletic administration teams. So, hopefully, this is NOT the case and just a very bad rumor!
a) FSU can't stay absent a miracle. It will either leave or be kicked as part of the litigation.
b) The ACC is arguably the best athletically, the only "P" to win nattys in football, men's basketball, and baseball over the past ~10 years.
No... The "leverage against ESPN" strategy would have been best pursued via a dec judgment request filed by all of the ACC members with pending SEC/B1G offers within ~6 months of the USC/UCLA news. FSU's scorched earth tactics don't reconcile with such a strategy.
FSU's strategy is an "all or nothing" play which will end with it in either the B1G or BIG12.
You did not even know UNC was working behind scenes with Florida State & Clemson. UNC worked through legislated measures to separate itself from NC State. ESPN is broke & needs the cash from the ACC. It is possible the ACC survive’s, but it will take a pay cut. Are you aware of the Commissioner’s meeting of the B1G & the SEC? There is certainly no leverage plan of the three university’s actively working together.
Tarheel show how little you know...no team had pending offers or the conferences would have been sued...another dumb comment. FSU scorched earth?? Bhahahaa, your own Board of trustees said the same damn thing they did...which FSU was required to in the open due to state laws. You guys with your corrupt state are just allowed to be snakes in the background while trying to bluster about your superiority
@@timothyblack3322 "You did not even know UNC was working behind scenes with Florida State & Clemson."
Wrong. I suspect all of the ACC schools with options initially worked together, but FSU's lone gunman tactics made it persona non grata for the others. I wrote that CLEMSON and UNC were allied long before (e.g.) Flugar said so.
The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted down to the Tier 2 level, so it can tolerate some depletion. The ACC couldn't afford to lose any from the top and retain hope of remaining a Tier 1. Only delusional and arrogant FSU fans think that FSU is needed to survive as a Tier 2.
FYI... I generally no longer read your rambling comments.
@@cdray-qy7wp Moron....
a) Do you know a better term than "pending" for this context?
b) UNC has not filed an overly hostile lawsuit or unnecessarily attacked the other members. FSU and its fans are too stupid to know the difference.
BTW... I currently have FSU to BIG12 at ~50%.
@@tarheel7406 That is good because everything you say is so full of $hit that it just runs out of your mouth. You always disparage FSU and talk like the ACC is only for NC schools. THAT IS THE DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU. People are tired of you throwing $hit against the wall to see if it will stick. I am sorry your school sucks and your conference sucks also. It was the biggest mistake FSU made when they left independent status and joined your little $hitty conference. You do realize they were independent before the ACC, right???? So going back independent is always an option. And if they went to the BIG12 it would immediately catapult them over the ACC. So just stop kid, STOP!
There is no leverage play here. FSU, Clemson and UNC cannot fund programs and athletes at deficits. Uneven distribution in the ACC is still not enough. Only question is who does the B1G want. B1G can throw out lifelines but to who. Is north Florida appealing to B1G or is south Florida(Miami) more appealing. If Fox is not willing to throw the B1G more money, don't know if the other Uni's want to dilute their money.
You make a good point I think the Big 10 is more interested in UNC and Miami than FSU and Clemson. Bigger TV markets and AAU members.
Fsu brings the most views which means the most $$$$
@@ronwilde1595lol they are much smaller tv markets what are you smoking!? Fsu gets the views in 3 games that unc gets in 12 games!!
@@SurferRC Outside of ND, UNC and UVA are the top expansion targets for both the SEC and B1G:
See vids:
"What we know about UNC potentially LEAVING the ACC | College Football Enquirer | Yahoo Sports"
"Dan Wetzel: If FSU Can Get Out of the Grant of Rights It Will Be the End of the ACC | Realignment" (~5-minute mark)
"Bob Thompson: The ACC Being the Next Conference to Break Up Is Not Good For ESPN | Realignment" (~10-minute mark)
"North Carolina wanting OUT of the ACC? | How Things Stand in Chapel Hill with Bubba Cunningham, UNC"
"Matt Fortuna: North Carolina Is the Most Desired Brand Among All of the ACC Schools | CFB" (~7-minute mark)
I hope FSU really wants the SEC. The B1G has its community college already with Nebraska.
You sound scared 😂😂....
Fsu would dominate the b10 though its a two team league
Community college? The B1G must have a lot of them. FSU is ranked#53 academically, tied with Minnesota and ahead of, in order, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa, Oregon and Nebraska. That’s a whole lot of community colleges you have there. Say, you didn’t go to one of those community colleges did you?
FSU will land in the SEC when it's all said and done and frankly that is where they fit better. They will not go to the little 10 alone and it's even doubtful if they would even go as a package with Clemson. ESPN will not let one of their biggest assets just waltz into the little 10 without a fight. All this saying that the SEC doesn't want them might be right but then again no one knew about UT and OU to the SEC until it was announced.
Maybe.., but I'm aware of no history of the SEC rejecting TX/OK over the decades as is the case with FSU.
The word is that the SEC's pro rata is limited to +2 staggered additions and FSU is not a top priority, so FSU likely won't wait, and the B1G is desperate to expand south.
@@tarheel7406 The SEC has wanted FSU since 1990 when they gave the Noles an invite when FSU for some stupid reason chose the ACC. UF has never blocked FSU either and their AD just went public about it a couple weeks ago saying they would support FSU to the SEC.
Bottom line is none of us will know til we know and no one in the SEC is talking and they really have no reason to talk. They didn't talk before they added A&M, UM, OU or UT and it's very doubtful they will now until it's done.
fsu has bad blood with the sec that started back in 1968. Fsu applied for the sec every year between 1968-1990. They were denied 22 years straight. When fsu started beating the hell out of sec schools they went to the acc while the sec wanted them then. Currently, Disney is at war with the state of Florida so there's bad blood with ESPN. Disney snubbed fsu from the playoffs. The university of Florida has and will continue to fight fsu entry to sec. Fsu has lately invested millions into academic research facilities to receive AAU accreditation. All tea leaves point to the big10. if Clemson and fsu move to the B1G, then the B1G is poised to be the premier football conference dethroning ESPN and SEC
@@tedharris8244 The SEC gave FSU an invite LATE IN THE GAME when THE ACC offered, and FSU had all but accepted. Let's not get it twisted: the SEC did not come out of the gate; they didn't offer until well after the ACC did.
Let's be clear, the SEC doesn't want us, we would be the stepchild, I get regionally and "culturally" it makes sense but we are at this point "begging" to be accepted, which is ridiculous considering the eye-balls on TV, which is what matters in this day and age due to streaming. The BIG 10 wants us and would welcome us, and we have a much better chance of getting FULL rights and not a reduced package (which is assured but likely with the SEC).
SEC is the better fit sure, I would love to make FSU/LSU a regular match up it works geographically and competitively but the SEC is likely the longshot and the sure bet is BIG10 will come in with a strong offer.
@@EL_PanaNole Sounds to me that you want the little 10 and that's fine. You also seem to have all this inside knowledge too that pretty much all keyboard warriors seem to have LOL. Fact's are that no matter what you or I want doesn't matter.
You are I nor any other keyboard warrior are in the room making the decisions and we have NO idea who has talked to who from either conference. You and I can argue all day about the way this happened or that happened til the cows come home and it will never make a difference. You have your opinion and I have mine.
I'm just guessing about all this just like everyone out there in social media land is because none of us KNOW for a fact anything. Buit I will not be surprised at all if we are in the SEC when it's all said and done. They will not treat us any different than the ACC has and I really don't believe the little 10 would treat us any different either.
They all hate us because they ain't us. It's always been that way.
No florida state wants out of Acc knows be better in big 10
I have given this matter considerable thought, study and consideration. First the ACC is full of it if they think the value of their rights is over $500m. And that "look in clause" is an "option".
There are only a couple big games in the ACC in any year and none on the level of the SEC or Big 10 offerrings that would ever compel ESPN to fork over more cash. Clemson is taking a good approach by forcing rulings on the GOR that may set up binding arbitration. Get outside parties to evaluate the contract (I'm betting its 1/3 to half what the ACC is pushing), pay the money and get out.
The ACC doesn't (now didn't) have to get the same as the SEC/B1G, only close enough to remain peer and competitive. When one looks at the three remaining de facto Tier 1, the general differences are interesting:
B1G - High academics and large fanbases but low population growth
SEC - Low academics but large fanbases and high population growth
ACC - Smaller fanbases but high academics and high population growth.
Higher academics mean higher media value per viewer. The B1G has likely reached its highwater mark. The SEC cam improve its academics by expansion and increasing selectivity. An intact ACC would have been the best long-term investment.
The problems are: 1: The length of the ACC GOR ( and the lower $ amount). 2: The “Bridges Have Been Burned” ( at least with FSU). 3: Most schools in the ACC prefer basketball ( or other sports ( like BC hockey)) to football. The exceptions are ( besides Clemson & Florida St.) ND, SMU and maybe NC St. Clemson & FSU need to be in a “Like Minded” Conference not a basketball Conference.
If higher academics meant higher media value, then Fox would have taken Stanford > Oregon.
@@tarheel7406 instead of criticizing you and trolling you like everyone likes to do, today I would like for you to elaborate on these 2 comments. Because the truth is, they are typical Tarheel cringeworthy comments by you that deserve trolling.But not today!
"An intact ACC would have been the best long-term investment" and "Higher academics mean higher media value per viewer."
Please Tarheel enlighten us with your intellect on these 2 comments!
@@davidbrown386 "If higher academics meant higher media value, then Fox would have taken Stanford > Oregon."
Academics isn't determinative. It's part of holistic and relative values. Honestly, this story is ~3 years o;f.