Saying how many times it took liquid to beat the boss no longer matters. At that point they had already received word it was over so the charge to beat it wasn't there. The contest was over. The primary incentive was no longer there.
I think that’s a fair take. In fact some would say the lack incentive is a contributor to those that feel Max on Liquid is a sore loser and in ways “gives up”
All Blizz had to do was delay the hot fix nerf an hour or 2 so both guilds were raiding at the same time. Dropping a nerf of that magnitude while one guild is asleep is nuts. Once the RWF was won Liquid took their foot off the gas that’s why it took multiple more pills. There was nothing to compete for anymore they were joking around not focusing
@@owlick what was the rush? They were there the rest of the day anyway and no other guild was even close. They knew they had second in the bag and the players relaxed
Most do not care about the different starts because: US gets first pulls so sure they get to try first, but EU and the East get to take their strata that’s been established. Eventually the final boss will even them out
Honestly Blizzard had Every right and Obligation to Hotfix an Issue if they Knew about it. As cool as World First Races are they are done on the "Live" servers of the Game Not a Stand Alone Server. If these races were done on a Private server like most ESports games that would be different but WFRs can be done by everyone at any time, so its really about the Balance of the Game and Not about the Race.
@@ClipsCraz-e Blizzard does their in house testing but like every other Game developer of an MMO players Are Better than the Developers so players make better testers. It's even mentioned in the Video that is a thing that happens and the guild "work" with Blizzard on that. But like every other developer they don't want certain things to get "leaked" before they go live so there is only so much the developers can do. So things that may Look and Feel Right to the Developers may not be that way when they get in the players hands. On top of that the Developers Can't Won't, and Should Never Balance their game for the 1% like WFR Guilds. So when a Raid goes Live and the Developers notice something is off they have an Obligation and Should act even when it Affects the 1%. Cause the Game as a Whole Comes First, Not the High End One Percent "We have to Beat this First" Guilds. A Possible way around something like this happening in future is updating the PTR to live then Freezing it and only allow the Top 10-15 Guilds that want to Race to world First. But a problem that comes up with that is after the Race what happens then? What happens to the Gear? Blizzard can't move the Gear from the PTR to Live. So should Blizzard just Gift the loot to the raiders on their Live toons? Or does Blizzard keep doing as they Have for 20+ years?
And how many times have US players benefited from earlier resets etc? If EU have to accept that bs then they have to accept this since they took way longer in the new hotfixed version anyway.
@@jokermann1440 in past races. This race the tuning was pretty fair imo, both teams had their advantages/disadvantages. Id say echo had momentum and lost it, but liquid didnt capitalize on it, Echo also saw A lot of things Liquid were doing when they were in first as echo went dark far more than Liquid did. But the best and closest race for me. Even Method wasnt counted out
So at this point of controversy, give the WF Title to Echo for Aberrus so? Echo kill Sarkareth 2 or 4 hours After liquid so WF by time. Don't forget US you start 10 hours before EU. And still loosing most of the time even with incredible EU players in Liquid team. And Blizzard don't care of the RWF, they nerf when they want, when they decided.
Are you not enjoying dragonflight? This is probably the funnest xpac in awhile and I don’t think the community has had this much positive feedback and reception to the game in awhile
just want to let you know that jipped/gypped is generally considered offensive. it derives from gypsy (who were believed by European locals to come from Egypt), which is a derogative way to refer to Roma and/or Travelers. the word jipped/gypped suggests that these people are thieves (that gypping is what they do, aka, stealing things). like imagine if you said "Do you feel like Liquid got Jewed?" clearly that would be unfriendly and unpleasant.
Echo/Eu gets cheated all the time. Eu is always delayed. Start and reset day. What about that? They killed the boss at 6:30 pm. Its 10 am in the Us? its not even at night 😂
Saying how many times it took liquid to beat the boss no longer matters. At that point they had already received word it was over so the charge to beat it wasn't there. The contest was over. The primary incentive was no longer there.
I think that’s a fair take. In fact some would say the lack incentive is a contributor to those that feel Max on Liquid is a sore loser and in ways “gives up”
All Blizz had to do was delay the hot fix nerf an hour or 2 so both guilds were raiding at the same time. Dropping a nerf of that magnitude while one guild is asleep is nuts. Once the RWF was won Liquid took their foot off the gas that’s why it took multiple more pills. There was nothing to compete for anymore they were joking around not focusing
4 hours is a lot of goofing around tho
@@owlick what was the rush? They were there the rest of the day anyway and no other guild was even close. They knew they had second in the bag and the players relaxed
Liquid wasn't asleep.
US gamers waking up at 10am thinking thats normal will never not be funny 😂
@Freestyle80 you do realise it's not a US thing and these guys play for like 12 hours right?
So that us is getting restart and content 24 hours before eu doesnt change Anything?
Most do not care about the different starts because: US gets first pulls so sure they get to try first, but EU and the East get to take their strata that’s been established. Eventually the final boss will even them out
@@owlick still using boes farmed by players 24 hours before so imo there is no Real arguments from ur video
NA get longer maintenance
Not fair, race should start same time eu and us and same everything
I mean In this case US Liquid start many many hours before EU did. So by end boss it doesn’t matter who started
@@owlick i think they should have same conditions
@@mailybabytli7619 +1
NA starts earlier. More often than not the time zones and release schedule favors them.
Honestly Blizzard had Every right and Obligation to Hotfix an Issue if they Knew about it.
As cool as World First Races are they are done on the "Live" servers of the Game Not a Stand Alone Server.
If these races were done on a Private server like most ESports games that would be different but WFRs can be done by everyone at any time, so its really about the Balance of the Game and Not about the Race.
no other guild in the game except for these 2 were affected by the nerf at the time
@@ClipsCraz-e Blizzard does their in house testing but like every other Game developer of an MMO players Are Better than the Developers so players make better testers. It's even mentioned in the Video that is a thing that happens and the guild "work" with Blizzard on that.
But like every other developer they don't want certain things to get "leaked" before they go live so there is only so much the developers can do. So things that may Look and Feel Right to the Developers may not be that way when they get in the players hands.
On top of that the Developers Can't Won't, and Should Never Balance their game for the 1% like WFR Guilds.
So when a Raid goes Live and the Developers notice something is off they have an Obligation and Should act even when it Affects the 1%.
Cause the Game as a Whole Comes First, Not the High End One Percent "We have to Beat this First" Guilds.
A Possible way around something like this happening in future is updating the PTR to live then Freezing it and only allow the Top 10-15 Guilds that want to Race to world First.
But a problem that comes up with that is after the Race what happens then? What happens to the Gear? Blizzard can't move the Gear from the PTR to Live. So should Blizzard just Gift the loot to the raiders on their Live toons? Or does Blizzard keep doing as they Have for 20+ years?
I would say fair.
For sure
Not fair but also fair. Lose lose situation
Exactly. Someone somewhere probably gets the short end no matter what
And how many times have US players benefited from earlier resets etc? If EU have to accept that bs then they have to accept this since they took way longer in the new hotfixed version anyway.
The way race is set up rn its not a fan of r competition, even without the hotfix
Why’s that
@@owlick lol i missspelled, well a fair race starts at same time and has same conditions
@@mailybabytli7619blizzard has always shown EU more support not a surprise or anything new, liquid is just better
@@bmo14laxmore support this race rn? When echo was about to go offline they nerfed fyrakks hp by 4% and he was already in killrange.
@@jokermann1440 in past races. This race the tuning was pretty fair imo, both teams had their advantages/disadvantages. Id say echo had momentum and lost it, but liquid didnt capitalize on it, Echo also saw A lot of things Liquid were doing when they were in first as echo went dark far more than Liquid did. But the best and closest race for me. Even Method wasnt counted out
So at this point of controversy, give the WF Title to Echo for Aberrus so? Echo kill Sarkareth 2 or 4 hours After liquid so WF by time.
Don't forget US you start 10 hours before EU. And still loosing most of the time even with incredible EU players in Liquid team.
And Blizzard don't care of the RWF, they nerf when they want, when they decided.
Blizzard favors US guilds. Especially team Liquid and their inclusion
Absolutely not the EU guilds are treated much more favorably.
Like they stopped every us Guild in nyalotha? Like fyrakk too ? Stop beeing idiot Blizzard didnt give a fuck....
I don't know how long this was posted but I can tell you now 2022 soon to be 2023 blizzard has screwed up the game totally and we're no longer playing
Are you not enjoying dragonflight? This is probably the funnest xpac in awhile and I don’t think the community has had this much positive feedback and reception to the game in awhile
Yeah you are trippin
I'd call it fair. They took multiple tries. I would call it differently if they had a first try kill and better time to completion.
I even gave em an hour to see if it made a difference but yeah 4 hours makes it all null
That wouldn't matter. The incentive to be the world first was gone so the energy they had to drop with it.
I’m not sure it’s ok to use the word gypped because of the connotations associated with it.
Race was fair.
just want to let you know that jipped/gypped is generally considered offensive. it derives from gypsy (who were believed by European locals to come from Egypt), which is a derogative way to refer to Roma and/or Travelers. the word jipped/gypped suggests that these people are thieves (that gypping is what they do, aka, stealing things). like imagine if you said "Do you feel like Liquid got Jewed?" clearly that would be unfriendly and unpleasant.
Hey! Wow I never knew this. I appreciate you taking the time and explaining in an easy manner. I’ll def refrain going forward.
Wtf, are you offended by the wind blowing in your face?
Everything is offensive. At this point if it's not your feelings or you are not being offended, I don't care about your opinion.
Just want to let you know. It’s never that deep
Echo/Eu gets cheated all the time. Eu is always delayed. Start and reset day.
What about that? They killed the boss at 6:30 pm. Its 10 am in the Us? its not even at night 😂
if it was 3am i would say its unfair 😆 but 10am idk
Typical us kids saying this 😂😂😂 you started like 10h before Echo 😂😂