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They were going to have a part with fletcher saying Andrew is the best drummer while they walk out the back doors but instead they did a smile from fletcher which basically did it….
Fun fact in the beginning Andrew was playing the tempo perfectly however he didn’t defend himself and the director was just trying to get inside his head amazing movie
@@DJKurohyea I'm not sure about when Fletcher first stopped him but I think once Fletcher stopped him it made Andrew nervous and then he started messing up the tempo slightly
My perception of when his father is speechless during his solo isn't one of awe, its fear. He's watching his son descend into madness to please a manipulative sociopath and he knows it's likely become obsession.
That's for sure as hell is one hell of an assumption. 😅 Makes me laugh how people always thing something bad is gonna happen to Andrew, like good things never happen. 😅
Zuff: “when was the last time you got a text like that?” Bryce: “never”. Rob: “they’re his cousins”. Zuff: “like step bros?” Rob: “no, like cousins”. 😂 You guys kill me with your delivery. 🤣
11:33 Let me put this into perspective: Think of the scene at the beginning of Legally Blonde, when a student gives the right answer, the professor then challenges him on it, and so the student backs down, claiming he's not sure. The lesson is that you can't just be right and be done with it. You have to KNOW you're right and stick to it, no matter who's getting up in your face.
The ending is sad and it's meant to be that way. This movie reminds me of Black Swan. In the sense of someone seeking perfectionism/achievement/recognition etc. while a lot of their life crumbles around them including their own safety. Fletcher is a narcissist of some sort and uses mind control tactics to get his students to obey him. Look at the scene when he walks in at 9am on the dot and you can feel the tension/stress/anxiety in the air. He runs his class like a marine bootcamp using put downs and passive aggressive tactics to break the student's self esteem etc.
@@joematlock Like much of the movie, it is epic and tragic. The drumming is great, and he shows up Fletcher, but Fletcher ultimately wins. His whole reasoning for abusing Neimen, destroying his personality and life is because he wishes to get one amazing student to overcome his expectations, is "justified" in his mind. The director himself said the end is pretty tragic. Does Neimen become a great drummer? Probably. Will he ever be happy? Probably not.
@@lespaul5734I see it more as if you want to be the best at something or great at it you have to sacrifice a lot and fletcher is just giving him old school hard love maybe bc he sees his potential and it’s his job as a director to push him bc pressure makes diamonds bit narcissistic yes but it’s his job anybody in that room can walk out or stand up for themselves and in real life file a complaint to the school or in sometimes in the movie the police😂
@@lespaul5734but Andrew understands the sacrifice needed to be great. So maybe it’s sad to you, but he achieved exactly what he wanted. It’s a triumph, it’s a happy ending, it’s Andrew achieving greatness.
@@FlareDope The guy who wrote the story exmplained the ending is supposed to be tragic. That's not only my opinion, its the intended purpose behind the story. Sacrifice is always necessary, but that doesn't mean all abuse and sacrifice is good or worth it. The movie shows him becoming distant and hostile with hsi family, completely consummed by his desire to meet the expectation of Fletcher. He breaks up with the girl he liked, which he regrets later, because he thinks he can only have one thing in life. He neglets his physical health and nearly dies in a car crash, but even that doesn't dissuiade him. It shows that he is completely neglecting his happiness, health and relationships in order to meet the expectations of an abusive teacher. In the end, its Fletcher that wins, not him. He lost his dream student position, and position in a band that will allow him to go straight to professional orchestras. He lost his girlfriend which he is clearly saddened about. Compare him to how he was in the beginning of the movie, and he's a shell of his former self. And there is no indication that he will suddenly become a famed musician after the end of the movie, so his initial goal is not reached at all.
He got Fletcher’s approval, but at what cost? People always debate whether the ending is a tragedy or a success. Personally to me, they’ve been foreshadowing throughout the whole movie what Neiman’s future is going to be if he kept going down this road. So in my opinion it’s a tragedy, but Neiman will be remembered forever which he wanted.
Absolutely agreed. His family even say at the dinner table that Charlie Parker was an alcoholic and a heroin addict (which came about after getting addicted to meds in recovery from a car wreck...), he also attempted suicide twice, was put in a mental hospital, and died penniless at age 34, and people are still saying "I hope he becomes the next Charlie Parker" while watching. And obviously there's also the other similar student who killed himself. The film shows him throw away personal relationships, drag himself from a car wreck, destroy his body, mind and everything else about his life in order to be good enough to impress his tormentor. To me it's very clearly a tragedy, his life is headed for ruin and the final scene shows him embracing it. And his dad knows it and is horrified.
Tragedy for sure. Yes he reached the status he wanted but he validated the monstrous methods of fletcher. You can also tell it’s tragedy based on that horrifies look his dad gives him while he’s in his solo at the end.
@@TheGoldenCapstoneYou keep reposting this and it still isn't true. Achieving greatness doesn't mean you need to be an absolute trainwreck mentally/physically. That's a foolish way to measure greatness. You missed the message of the movie.
this is one of my favorite movies ever. I'll never forget watching it for the first time and by the end of the movie I realized I was with the hands sweating bc of how tense I was 😂😂😂
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I'm so glad you guys finally made it to Whiplash! It's arguably my favorite movie and there is so much to take away and think about. I would definitely recommend watching the video "The Misleading Finale of Whiplash," especially after hearing what you guys thought about the ending. While it's captivating, thrilling, and can be emotional, it's also not quite as happy an ending as it may feel right after watching. It's a movie I love to talk with others about and seeing what their perspective on the story is.
Nobody seems to understand the dad scene at the end. He isn't seeing "greatness". He is realizing that he lost his son to an abuser. He isn't amazed, he is sad. And Zuff is absolutely right just because Andrew achieved his goal it doesn't mean he is fine. The other kid killed himself, and Andrew will probably do the same.
He is absolutely seeing greatness. It's just that the dad sees the horror in it aswell. It's also important to note that Neiman is not meant to be analogous to Sean Casey. Casey was never Fletchers Charlie Parker, Casey never achieved greatness. Sure it is true that the movie does not foretell a good future for Neiman, but he isn't Casey, he's Parker.
@@askechadd2473 No, he isn't. His dad doesn't understand music, and even if he understands it, he raised Andrew, he supported him, he went to all his performances, so he wouldn't be surprised that Andrew is good, he know he is good. The scene is there to show how his dad is devastated that Andrew is back in his old life that almost destroyed him before. And who said the first kid isn't Charlie Parker? We never met him. We don't know if he is better than Andrew. Anyway, Charlie Parker was suicidal and died at 34. This film is a precautionary tale about abusive relationships, obsessiveness, and toxic work environment. It's not a movie about achieving greatness.
I have to disagree. At the beginning he took his shit, but didn't for long. Told him to f himself quite a few times. Those that care about Fletcher's opinion, would have still taken the abuse, but he didn't.
I went to music school at UNT, which has one of the top rated jazz programs in the country. I was actually in the opera program, but I had many friends in the jazz program and we had most of our classes together. You were right about having different bands for different skill levels. The better you are the higher you move up. The classical program was the same, except that we were choirs and orchestras instead of bands. I actually had a professor who was very similar to Fletcher. She was cruel to those who were not very good at singing. She also threw her baton at our pianist one time because she didn’t stop playing when she cued her to.
The back and forth camera work probably reminded you of la la land because it’s by the same director! Damien chazelle! He also directed first man and Babylon.
I love the director's decision not to fully show Fletcher's smile there at the end...you can see it in his eyes. While you can fully see Neiman's smile. Even after everything the guy put him through, he still desires that approval. The directorial decision seems to imply that the smile is mostly, probably there, but it's still ambiguous. Fucking phenomenal film.
One of the best endings of a movie ever. I could watch it over and over again. It's so satisfying but also morally ambiguous and makes you really wonder if the ends justified the means.
It wasn't weird. Fletcher believed that Andrew could be his Charlie Parker, from the first time he heard him play. He just pushed and manipulated him to see if he was right. Yes, he stole the folder, because he knew that Andrew had it memorized. Stealing that folder was just a test to see if Andrew had been doing what Fletcher thought he had been doing, which is hours and hours of brutal practice. Once he humiliated Andrew, he figured he would respond as Charlie Parker had, and start practicing like crazy. That's why he threw the chair at his head, just like Jo Jones had thrown a cymbal at Parker's head. Jo Jones gave Fletcher the blueprint to find the one. In short, you're spot on about all you said, except that it wasn't weird at all. It was Fletcher's life mission to discover someone like Andrew.
that's exactly what happened. Fletcher knew instantly what he had in Neiman - that's why he was so hard on him. the entire movie is Fletcher grilling the fuck out of Neiman
I've never experienced a movie ending like this one. The look of recognition on Fletcher and his dad's face is incredible. He's a once-in-a-lifetime talent and Fletcher knows it, might have even helped bring it out of him. So good!
That isn’t a look of recognition from his dad, it’s a look of dread, it’s become an obsession for him and an unhealthy one, it’s a tragedy masqueraded as a triumph. Fletcher has total control over him by the end. But I can completely understand both sides of it. But the the director confirmed that it isn’t a happy ending. Still, it shouldn’t take away from your message of the movie.
I remember when I saw this movie for the first time in theaters and I was totally blown away by how good it was and couldn't stop talking about it for few days. it was my fave for years! thanks for the reaction
I will never forget my first experience watching this film. It was at a film festival, late at night (so probably the 4th or 5th film I'd seen that day), in a completely packed theater, and I had no idea what I was walking into. Absolutely an unforgettable experience.
When I saw this I was floored. A great movie is one whose subject is so specific that can make you care about characters and story despite not knowing a damn thing about Music
I grew up a very, very depressed musician. This movie reminds me that there isn't much of a difference between art education and mental abuse. We can, but should we? Now I'm a cook.
I've never met a music teacher who wasn't mentally abusive. This is nothing special. Teller's character is a legit terrible musician who didn't deserve the opportunity he got. Those drumming montages with him bleeding is just ridiculous.
@@filmcrafter2093 tellers character was probably the most determined and diligent drummer in the room. Obviously him leaving after the whole car accident dilemna is understandable, he was out of it. He absolutely deserved his opportunity.
I've never been so grateful in my life to be an adult in her 30's when I watched this before. It's like, "Okay, i'm done. I just have to survive life and pay the bills"
Miles Teller's Dad is famous 90s sitcom actor Paul Reiser who was in top-rated sitcom Mad About You with Helen Hunt. He's also in Stranger Things and famous movies like Diner and Bye Bye Love
fun fact the music for whiplash fletcher gives andrew at the end of the movie is the same music that went missing at the beginning (telling us that he actually took the music and it never went missing)
There is a terrific channel that has a professional jazz drummer talking about movie scenes involving music. He said there is no way for someone to tell in the “rushing/ dragging” scene. He said in jazz, it’s all organic and adjusting to each other. Was really great insight.
Drummers using the traditional grip, where the one stick is held sideways, started back when marching drums were held up to the drummers by just an arm strap over one shoulder. So instead of walking around drumming at a weird diagonal angle, they changed the grip in one hand. It’s stuck around ever since as the marching snare standard even though the drums sit flat now
i have seen this twice. second time was in a park where people sat on grass eating food serving beer and it was on a big screen just like a drive through. it was so fun to see this movie in such a manor. everyone went nuts at the end 😄 so fun
Miles Teller (is that how you spell it) any ways, the dude actually plays drums. Obviously not at that level but well enough that he did play some of the scenes himself.
One of the most horrifying endings to a movie. I like how Nieman completely gave in to the abuse. It foreshadowed his early death. The director confirmed that the events in the film left Nieman a sad, empty shell of a person, eventually dying in his 30s of a drug overdose, just like Sean Casey.
@@joematlock This the director's comments, not mine. We already have a character "Playing music at an elite level" who killed themselves in this very movie- Sean Casey. Emotionally fulfilled people generally don't kill themselves. Why wouldn't it happen again?
Have been waiting for this one for ages this is still my favourite Damian chazelle movie the performances add another element to the greatness of the film on top of the stellar direction
The ending always makes me sad bc Andrew gave up so much of himself and his relationships to have this ‘moment’ of greatness. But was he actually fulfilled from playing so well? Or was he fulfilled bc he finally made Fletcher proud?
@@AlejandraGarcia-ho3lqWrong. That's the weak person's perspective. They nod to each other because they both understand that he truly, finally achieved the perfect performance. You think his teacher is just being "mean" and "abusive" but he pushed him beyond his limits and in the end he achieved musical greatness.
I'm paraphrasing here, but the writer/director who did Whiplash and La La Land said that both movies are essentially the story, with the main characters pursuing their craft and getting everything they wanted but losing something in the process, just Whiplash is a lot angrier with the message than La La land
Dude in the gray just could not shut up during Fletcher’s important dialogue with Andrew at the jazz club. My goodness man, know when to give commentary at the appropriate times.
my favorite memory with this film is this came out 2014 right? I was about 11 in 5th grade, I’ve always been a big movie nerd knowing every star and film; my home room teacher told us in the morning, he and the other teachers saw a movie (this one but he couldn’t remember the name) and I was the only one who actually knew the movie name. I remember yelling out “WHIPLASH” and he was like “YES! Oh my god.” lol miss him, he was a cool teacher and I think of that every time I think of this movie.
Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons were acting at the highest level in this movie. No wasted scenes and everyone was giving their very best. Which is why people love this movie. Also fun fact: when Neiman calls Connolly Johnny Utah it's a reference to the movie Point Break (1991).
If the dude in the Jets hat could limit his edible intake to 300mg before watching a movie for y'all to post as a reaction, you'd have more subscribers
This is the movie other than interstellar I’ve waited patiently for you guys to react to. It’s in my top 3 movies, and judging by the title you guys will like it. I’m at work desperately waiting to get home to watch this vid
agreed this movie definitly brings some trauma back into me, whether it was from strict parent or a teacher doesnt matter, but i feel very anxious watching it and i definitly felt you felt the same as me Rob
‘The next Charlie Parker would never be discouraged’ Fletcher is subtly manipulating Andrew by saying this. He’s saying Andrew or ‘the next Charlie’ would never quit while Andrew has quit at this point. This gets Andrew on stage and Fletcher then fucks him over. Andrew so badly wants to impress and gain the validation he craves from Fletcher. It’s an abusive cycle. Andrew will be stuck in this cycle of abuse as long as he strives to be like Charlie and still drops everything to get a shred of something from Fletcher.
There were a few scenes in this movie that were so intense/unpredictable... I would sit there just swearing up down "okay, he's about to wake up and it'll be a dream", but nope... it's like a hell that the character couldnt escape from.
Love your content, especially the Little Miss Sunshine vid, but shout out to the fellow Jets fan on the left. I've seen a few videos of him wearing the beanie. We'll get through the hard times bro
The ending of this movie is pretty easy to misinterpret as a triumph. This movie is a straight tragedy. Andrew went right back into the grip of his abuser and possibly back to a completely unbalanced life. Damien (the director) wrote this as a way to grapple his desire for greatness while not losing himself in the process. One of the best finales I’ve ever seen. It’s so emotionally nuanced.
i haven't watched this movie in years but i remember finding it odd how anyone could put up w fletcher bc he's so unbelievably rude and such a bully so like why hadn't the students or other teachers made him quit a long time ago 😭i can't see a guy w an attitude like him being able to keep a job irl
The ending could be interpreted as a triumph through hardship and sheer will, or a final decent to hell with the devil. Both can be true at the same time, but it depends on how you want to view who Nieman is, Charlie Parker or Bird. Human or machine.
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They were going to have a part with fletcher saying Andrew is the best drummer while they walk out the back doors but instead they did a smile from fletcher which basically did it….
This movie is too good, the anxiety it can make you feel throughout is crazy.
My all time favorite movie ending 🔥
Not quite my tempo.
Fun fact in the beginning Andrew was playing the tempo perfectly however he didn’t defend himself and the director was just trying to get inside his head amazing movie
There's definitely some points u can hear him playing slightly too early/slow, especially the time before he throws the chair
@@all-seeingobama3361 100% he was inconsistent and noticeably rushing a lot of parts.
how do you know its a fact?
@@DJKurohyea I'm not sure about when Fletcher first stopped him but I think once Fletcher stopped him it made Andrew nervous and then he started messing up the tempo slightly
@ChaChaRealSm00th Definitely agree. It's hard to remain on tempo when Fletcher is breathing fire at you when you thought he was a nice guy.
My perception of when his father is speechless during his solo isn't one of awe, its fear. He's watching his son descend into madness to please a manipulative sociopath and he knows it's likely become obsession.
Its called reaching your full potential - but I agree, it was fear not awe.
@@frederickmiles8815 yeah, but it's still a manipulative sociopath
And, who do you think builds and maintains societies? @@alejandroparedes2500
It's him realizing he's not just great, he's A great, and he'll probably die young or be troubled like the discussion at dinner.
That's for sure as hell is one hell of an assumption. 😅 Makes me laugh how people always thing something bad is gonna happen to Andrew, like good things never happen. 😅
Zuff: “when was the last time you got a text like that?” Bryce: “never”.
Rob: “they’re his cousins”.
Zuff: “like step bros?”
Rob: “no, like cousins”. 😂
You guys kill me with your delivery. 🤣
😂😂😂
11:33 Let me put this into perspective:
Think of the scene at the beginning of Legally Blonde, when a student gives the right answer, the professor then challenges him on it, and so the student backs down, claiming he's not sure.
The lesson is that you can't just be right and be done with it. You have to KNOW you're right and stick to it, no matter who's getting up in your face.
The “good job” conversation gets me every time. Excellent writing.
The ending is sad and it's meant to be that way. This movie reminds me of Black Swan. In the sense of someone seeking perfectionism/achievement/recognition etc. while a lot of their life crumbles around them including their own safety. Fletcher is a narcissist of some sort and uses mind control tactics to get his students to obey him. Look at the scene when he walks in at 9am on the dot and you can feel the tension/stress/anxiety in the air. He runs his class like a marine bootcamp using put downs and passive aggressive tactics to break the student's self esteem etc.
Not even a little bit sad. It’s epic and you can’t convince me otherwise.
@@joematlock Like much of the movie, it is epic and tragic. The drumming is great, and he shows up Fletcher, but Fletcher ultimately wins. His whole reasoning for abusing Neimen, destroying his personality and life is because he wishes to get one amazing student to overcome his expectations, is "justified" in his mind. The director himself said the end is pretty tragic. Does Neimen become a great drummer? Probably. Will he ever be happy? Probably not.
@@lespaul5734I see it more as if you want to be the best at something or great at it you have to sacrifice a lot and fletcher is just giving him old school hard love maybe bc he sees his potential and it’s his job as a director to push him bc pressure makes diamonds bit narcissistic yes but it’s his job anybody in that room can walk out or stand up for themselves and in real life file a complaint to the school or in sometimes in the movie the police😂
@@lespaul5734but Andrew understands the sacrifice needed to be great. So maybe it’s sad to you, but he achieved exactly what he wanted. It’s a triumph, it’s a happy ending, it’s Andrew achieving greatness.
@@FlareDope The guy who wrote the story exmplained the ending is supposed to be tragic. That's not only my opinion, its the intended purpose behind the story.
Sacrifice is always necessary, but that doesn't mean all abuse and sacrifice is good or worth it. The movie shows him becoming distant and hostile with hsi family, completely consummed by his desire to meet the expectation of Fletcher. He breaks up with the girl he liked, which he regrets later, because he thinks he can only have one thing in life. He neglets his physical health and nearly dies in a car crash, but even that doesn't dissuiade him. It shows that he is completely neglecting his happiness, health and relationships in order to meet the expectations of an abusive teacher.
In the end, its Fletcher that wins, not him. He lost his dream student position, and position in a band that will allow him to go straight to professional orchestras. He lost his girlfriend which he is clearly saddened about. Compare him to how he was in the beginning of the movie, and he's a shell of his former self. And there is no indication that he will suddenly become a famed musician after the end of the movie, so his initial goal is not reached at all.
This movie is a certified CLASSIC in my eyes. It’s such a masterpiece! 😭♥️
At times the movie felt like it was rushing or dragging, I am not sure which one.
Professional classical violinist and violist here of over 25 years. Yep. It's gets pretty brutal. Thank you for the review!
This movie is a legit masterpiece 💯 like others have said...you can feel the anxiety watching it. JK Simmons and Miles Teller are just incredible
He got Fletcher’s approval, but at what cost? People always debate whether the ending is a tragedy or a success. Personally to me, they’ve been foreshadowing throughout the whole movie what Neiman’s future is going to be if he kept going down this road. So in my opinion it’s a tragedy, but Neiman will be remembered forever which he wanted.
Absolutely agreed. His family even say at the dinner table that Charlie Parker was an alcoholic and a heroin addict (which came about after getting addicted to meds in recovery from a car wreck...), he also attempted suicide twice, was put in a mental hospital, and died penniless at age 34, and people are still saying "I hope he becomes the next Charlie Parker" while watching. And obviously there's also the other similar student who killed himself. The film shows him throw away personal relationships, drag himself from a car wreck, destroy his body, mind and everything else about his life in order to be good enough to impress his tormentor. To me it's very clearly a tragedy, his life is headed for ruin and the final scene shows him embracing it. And his dad knows it and is horrified.
Even the director confirms this is what would most likely happen, so its not even much of a debate haha
Tragedy for sure. Yes he reached the status he wanted but he validated the monstrous methods of fletcher. You can also tell it’s tragedy based on that horrifies look his dad gives him while he’s in his solo at the end.
Because the point is not the abuse. It's about what it takes to achieve infamy. Being great, being a legend means sacrifice.
@@TheGoldenCapstoneYou keep reposting this and it still isn't true. Achieving greatness doesn't mean you need to be an absolute trainwreck mentally/physically. That's a foolish way to measure greatness. You missed the message of the movie.
this is one of my favorite movies ever. I'll never forget watching it for the first time and by the end of the movie I realized I was with the hands sweating bc of how tense I was 😂😂😂
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Hang in there, you got this!
@@Ergoperidot thank you, I’m trying the best I can!!
@@LilliGirl33it’s alright you’re not alone
Go with the punches, remember that it will pass my man. You got this!
aw, whatever’s going on i hope it gets better!
I'm so glad you guys finally made it to Whiplash! It's arguably my favorite movie and there is so much to take away and think about.
I would definitely recommend watching the video "The Misleading Finale of Whiplash," especially after hearing what you guys thought about the ending. While it's captivating, thrilling, and can be emotional, it's also not quite as happy an ending as it may feel right after watching. It's a movie I love to talk with others about and seeing what their perspective on the story is.
Nobody seems to understand the dad scene at the end. He isn't seeing "greatness". He is realizing that he lost his son to an abuser. He isn't amazed, he is sad.
And Zuff is absolutely right just because Andrew achieved his goal it doesn't mean he is fine. The other kid killed himself, and Andrew will probably do the same.
I remember the director confirmed it himself. This movie has no happy ending. Andrew will end up just like the other kid.
thats why this movie is so haunting to me, like yeah he achieved greatness, but he sold his life and soul away in the process.
He is absolutely seeing greatness. It's just that the dad sees the horror in it aswell.
It's also important to note that Neiman is not meant to be analogous to Sean Casey. Casey was never Fletchers Charlie Parker, Casey never achieved greatness. Sure it is true that the movie does not foretell a good future for Neiman, but he isn't Casey, he's Parker.
@@askechadd2473 No, he isn't. His dad doesn't understand music, and even if he understands it, he raised Andrew, he supported him, he went to all his performances, so he wouldn't be surprised that Andrew is good, he know he is good. The scene is there to show how his dad is devastated that Andrew is back in his old life that almost destroyed him before. And who said the first kid isn't Charlie Parker? We never met him. We don't know if he is better than Andrew. Anyway, Charlie Parker was suicidal and died at 34.
This film is a precautionary tale about abusive relationships, obsessiveness, and toxic work environment. It's not a movie about achieving greatness.
I have to disagree. At the beginning he took his shit, but didn't for long. Told him to f himself quite a few times. Those that care about Fletcher's opinion, would have still taken the abuse, but he didn't.
I went to music school at UNT, which has one of the top rated jazz programs in the country. I was actually in the opera program, but I had many friends in the jazz program and we had most of our classes together. You were right about having different bands for different skill levels. The better you are the higher you move up. The classical program was the same, except that we were choirs and orchestras instead of bands. I actually had a professor who was very similar to Fletcher. She was cruel to those who were not very good at singing. She also threw her baton at our pianist one time because she didn’t stop playing when she cued her to.
My friend in college put this on for me and it moved me so hard😭 I think about how perfect that end sequence is at least once a week lmao
Miles Teller always gives off so much “Miles Teller” energy idk how to describe it
you're not lying.
The back and forth camera work probably reminded you of la la land because it’s by the same director! Damien chazelle! He also directed first man and Babylon.
I love the director's decision not to fully show Fletcher's smile there at the end...you can see it in his eyes. While you can fully see Neiman's smile. Even after everything the guy put him through, he still desires that approval. The directorial decision seems to imply that the smile is mostly, probably there, but it's still ambiguous. Fucking phenomenal film.
One of the best endings of a movie ever. I could watch it over and over again. It's so satisfying but also morally ambiguous and makes you really wonder if the ends justified the means.
Tempo scene puts a smile on my face every time - reminded me of the best officers I served under in the Army.
the satisfaction i get from the last performance EVERY. TIME.
I think that Fletcher purposely took the folder because he knew Andrew could play whiplash, in a weird way he was rooting for Andrew all along
It wasn't weird. Fletcher believed that Andrew could be his Charlie Parker, from the first time he heard him play. He just pushed and manipulated him to see if he was right. Yes, he stole the folder, because he knew that Andrew had it memorized. Stealing that folder was just a test to see if Andrew had been doing what Fletcher thought he had been doing, which is hours and hours of brutal practice. Once he humiliated Andrew, he figured he would respond as Charlie Parker had, and start practicing like crazy. That's why he threw the chair at his head, just like Jo Jones had thrown a cymbal at Parker's head. Jo Jones gave Fletcher the blueprint to find the one. In short, you're spot on about all you said, except that it wasn't weird at all. It was Fletcher's life mission to discover someone like Andrew.
that's exactly what happened. Fletcher knew instantly what he had in Neiman - that's why he was so hard on him. the entire movie is Fletcher grilling the fuck out of Neiman
I mean, this is a Damien Chazielle movie, but overall it's so underrated outside the film community. An all time great, in my opinion.
"what a crazy text interface, just looked insane" made me laugh out loud
this film had my heart racing
I've never experienced a movie ending like this one. The look of recognition on Fletcher and his dad's face is incredible. He's a once-in-a-lifetime talent and Fletcher knows it, might have even helped bring it out of him. So good!
That isn’t a look of recognition from his dad, it’s a look of dread, it’s become an obsession for him and an unhealthy one, it’s a tragedy masqueraded as a triumph. Fletcher has total control over him by the end. But I can completely understand both sides of it. But the the director confirmed that it isn’t a happy ending. Still, it shouldn’t take away from your message of the movie.
I remember when I saw this movie for the first time in theaters and I was totally blown away by how good it was and couldn't stop talking about it for few days. it was my fave for years! thanks for the reaction
I will never forget my first experience watching this film. It was at a film festival, late at night (so probably the 4th or 5th film I'd seen that day), in a completely packed theater, and I had no idea what I was walking into. Absolutely an unforgettable experience.
This is my Top 2 movie next to Shawshank, the cinematography, acting, and story is just peak!
When I saw this I was floored. A great movie is one whose subject is so specific that can make you care about characters and story despite not knowing a damn thing about Music
I grew up a very, very depressed musician. This movie reminds me that there isn't much of a difference between art education and mental abuse. We can, but should we? Now I'm a cook.
I've never met a music teacher who wasn't mentally abusive. This is nothing special. Teller's character is a legit terrible musician who didn't deserve the opportunity he got. Those drumming montages with him bleeding is just ridiculous.
That scene where the kid plays until he bleeds? You've never pushed yourself that hard. So now you cook.
@@filmcrafter2093 tellers character was probably the most determined and diligent drummer in the room. Obviously him leaving after the whole car accident dilemna is understandable, he was out of it. He absolutely deserved his opportunity.
I was in radio throughout my 20’s. I empathize with your story
Top 5 favorite movies of all time! That ending always makes my eyes water from the greatness🙌🏽
I think JK Simmons actually improvised most of his insults and roasts
i’ve seen this film once earlier this year and i swear it’s probably my favorite film of all time. it really is incredible
I always shiver at the end of the movie... Sometimes, anger is a good motivator!
I've never been so grateful in my life to be an adult in her 30's when I watched this before. It's like, "Okay, i'm done. I just have to survive life and pay the bills"
You better be prepared next time some might try throwing a cymbal your way. That way lies greatness.
@@scipioafricanus5871 oh..i'm old enough to grab and throw something back with disrespect so it's cool
JK Simmons took home the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for his role in the movie.
Miles Teller's Dad is famous 90s sitcom actor Paul Reiser who was in top-rated sitcom Mad About You with Helen Hunt. He's also in Stranger Things and famous movies like Diner and Bye Bye Love
I had no idea that it was Reiser! He was Burke in Aliens!
I had to remiind myself that Miles Teller is actually playing 99% of the time, just the talent that took was so impressive.
the dude on the left is so funny when watching the show. bro looks higher than jupiter lol
that's just zuff man. he's his own dude.
Had a pretty rough day and desperately wanted to zone out to something fun but couldn't think of anything... then I saw this upload 😭 thank you guys
fun fact the music for whiplash fletcher gives andrew at the end of the movie is the same music that went missing at the beginning (telling us that he actually took the music and it never went missing)
There is a terrific channel that has a professional jazz drummer talking about movie scenes involving music. He said there is no way for someone to tell in the “rushing/ dragging” scene. He said in jazz, it’s all organic and adjusting to each other. Was really great insight.
Bro on the far left had me dead the whole movie
It's been years since i watched this movie and I only remembered I loved it and how anxious it made me. These performances stay with you
I've never had a movie absorb me in as much as watching this for the first time, the rest of the world simply didn't exist to me.
Drummers using the traditional grip, where the one stick is held sideways, started back when marching drums were held up to the drummers by just an arm strap over one shoulder. So instead of walking around drumming at a weird diagonal angle, they changed the grip in one hand. It’s stuck around ever since as the marching snare standard even though the drums sit flat now
Dude in the middle’s back has got to be sore after staying slouched that long lol
i have seen this twice. second time was in a park where people sat on grass eating food serving beer and it was on a big screen just like a drive through. it was so fun to see this movie in such a manor. everyone went nuts at the end 😄 so fun
This is probably the funniest Whiplash reaction I'ce watched. That guy on the left 🤣🤣🤣
This is a 10 out of 10 movie. Just brilliant
Miles Teller actually learned how to play drums for this movie
Miles Teller even had a collision with a semi---truck just to see how it would be to play with a concussion. Now that's dedication to a craft!
Miles Teller (is that how you spell it) any ways, the dude actually plays drums. Obviously not at that level but well enough that he did play some of the scenes himself.
One of the most horrifying endings to a movie. I like how Nieman completely gave in to the abuse. It foreshadowed his early death. The director confirmed that the events in the film left Nieman a sad, empty shell of a person, eventually dying in his 30s of a drug overdose, just like Sean Casey.
Empty shell? Playing music at an elite level is what he always wanted. Accomplishing that will not make him an empty shell.
@@joematlock This the director's comments, not mine. We already have a character "Playing music at an elite level" who killed themselves in this very movie- Sean Casey. Emotionally fulfilled people generally don't kill themselves. Why wouldn't it happen again?
Have been waiting for this one for ages this is still my favourite Damian chazelle movie the performances add another element to the greatness of the film on top of the stellar direction
The ending always makes me sad bc Andrew gave up so much of himself and his relationships to have this ‘moment’ of greatness. But was he actually fulfilled from playing so well? Or was he fulfilled bc he finally made Fletcher proud?
He has no self worth. He was only fulfilled after looking up and seeing fletchers nod of approval
@@AlejandraGarcia-ho3lq agreed.
Exactly. It's a "the villain wins" story.
@@AlejandraGarcia-ho3lqWrong. That's the weak person's perspective. They nod to each other because they both understand that he truly, finally achieved the perfect performance. You think his teacher is just being "mean" and "abusive" but he pushed him beyond his limits and in the end he achieved musical greatness.
Nothing sad in the ending. It’s epic and Andrew is completely satisfied. Excellence feels great.
With an instrument, once you become a well oiled machine in hyper-mode, you cannot stop and you don’t feel pain.
I'm paraphrasing here, but the writer/director who did Whiplash and La La Land said that both movies are essentially the story, with the main characters pursuing their craft and getting everything they wanted but losing something in the process, just Whiplash is a lot angrier with the message than La La land
Dude in the gray just could not shut up during Fletcher’s important dialogue with Andrew at the jazz club. My goodness man, know when to give commentary at the appropriate times.
I love when people find out that JK Simmons is the Yellow M&M.
This movie was the beginning of my crush on Miles Teller lol
One of my favourites! Just watched it with a friend last night and saw your reaction today!
my favorite memory with this film is this came out 2014 right? I was about 11 in 5th grade, I’ve always been a big movie nerd knowing every star and film; my home room teacher told us in the morning, he and the other teachers saw a movie (this one but he couldn’t remember the name) and I was the only one who actually knew the movie name. I remember yelling out “WHIPLASH” and he was like “YES! Oh my god.” lol miss him, he was a cool teacher and I think of that every time I think of this movie.
Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons were acting at the highest level in this movie. No wasted scenes and everyone was giving their very best. Which is why people love this movie. Also fun fact: when Neiman calls Connolly Johnny Utah it's a reference to the movie Point Break (1991).
If the dude in the Jets hat could limit his edible intake to 300mg before watching a movie for y'all to post as a reaction, you'd have more subscribers
I watched this in preparation for this reaction and it was genuinely so amazing
One of the reasons this film is so unusual is that both the protagonist and the antagonist get what they want in the end. Pretty profound.
JK Simmons won the Oscar for best supporting actor for this role.
This is the movie other than interstellar I’ve waited patiently for you guys to react to. It’s in my top 3 movies, and judging by the title you guys will like it. I’m at work desperately waiting to get home to watch this vid
agreed
this movie definitly brings some trauma back into me, whether it was from strict parent or a teacher doesnt matter, but i feel very anxious watching it and i definitly felt you felt the same as me Rob
18:59 LOL
I need Rob carnally.
‘The next Charlie Parker would never be discouraged’
Fletcher is subtly manipulating Andrew by saying this. He’s saying Andrew or ‘the next Charlie’ would never quit while Andrew has quit at this point. This gets Andrew on stage and Fletcher then fucks him over.
Andrew so badly wants to impress and gain the validation he craves from Fletcher. It’s an abusive cycle.
Andrew will be stuck in this cycle of abuse as long as he strives to be like Charlie and still drops everything to get a shred of something from Fletcher.
I JUST watched this movie, I’m so happy ya’ll went ahead and reacted to it!
whiplash is my favorite movie so i got rlly excited when id seen you guys reacted to it
😂that ain't water bud 10:30
what was is?
There were a few scenes in this movie that were so intense/unpredictable... I would sit there just swearing up down "okay, he's about to wake up and it'll be a dream", but nope... it's like a hell that the character couldnt escape from.
Same Writer/Director as La La Land Damien Chazelle btw.
Love your content, especially the Little Miss Sunshine vid, but shout out to the fellow Jets fan on the left. I've seen a few videos of him wearing the beanie. We'll get through the hard times bro
regarding the scene that panned back and forth, yes it was just like 'la la land' - same director and writer, damien chazelle ;)
Common sense would suggest that Erickson ALSO was unaware he was out of tune, but was allowed to remain in the band.
Loooved this movie when I was younger, this vid feels like a bday present ☺️
Amazing movie, amazing acting, and amazing reactions!!!!! I've been waiting for yall to watch this one for a while now!
The ending of this movie is pretty easy to misinterpret as a triumph. This movie is a straight tragedy. Andrew went right back into the grip of his abuser and possibly back to a completely unbalanced life. Damien (the director) wrote this as a way to grapple his desire for greatness while not losing himself in the process. One of the best finales I’ve ever seen. It’s so emotionally nuanced.
If y’all haven’t seen it, I highly recommend The Spectacular Now. Miles Teller and Shailene Woodley are incredible in it.
My dad used to teach me math like J.K Simmons in this movie 😂
sooo no one told bryce the dress code was green huh
This is an homage to old jazz greats. Listen to buddy rich talking to his band mates and it might make more sense
So, now you've seen Reed Richards and Supergirl go out for pizza.
from someone who used to play in a band, drummers/perc absolutely received the most shit from the director lol. they’re just too important
i haven't watched this movie in years but i remember finding it odd how anyone could put up w fletcher bc he's so unbelievably rude and such a bully so like why hadn't the students or other teachers made him quit a long time ago 😭i can't see a guy w an attitude like him being able to keep a job irl
For anyone who likes Whiplash and Black Swan, I highly recommend checking out The Novice!!
I second your suggestion.
This movie is a masterpiece
I like how you all dressed up in the color pallet of the movie
I have been waiting soooo long for yall to react to this movie it is so good
First movie in my life whereby at the end of I felt dizzy and anxious.
The ending could be interpreted as a triumph through hardship and sheer will, or a final decent to hell with the devil. Both can be true at the same time, but it depends on how you want to view who Nieman is, Charlie Parker or Bird. Human or machine.