"Goku is an alien, known as a Saiyan, right? If Ben 10 scans Goku's DNA with the Ultimatrix, he can become fullest of a Saiyan's potential. And if anything goes wrong. Alien X."
goku gets his strength from his training, things like his peak forms like god forms and mui is also not a basic saiyan form that can be achieved by just having potential as a saiyan, what ben would have gotten is something like a elite level saiyan like vegeta and would have capped at super saiyan 3, so scanning wouldnt work
@@adanalsans8998the ultimatrix puts alien DNA through millions of years of the harshest possible conditions. Ben may not get God Ki and the like, but he wouldn't necessarily be capped at SS3
If you watch the Omniverse series where Gladiator Celestialsapien was punching Ben with all his strength You might notice he wasn't getting any harm or damage. His body was taking those attacks like nothing and Ben , Serena and Bellicus were just casually standing in their pocket dimensions watching and talking like nothing. 😂😂
@@WarriorZionel1in alien xs first appearance, nothing hurts him while he's standing still and they have to carry him around. In omniverse the annihilarg destroys the universe around alien x but he isn't affected
Honestly this review is very refreshing as most people don't realize that some characters won't go all out right away or aren't trying to kill outright.
At any point i can see Ben winning a fight against goku, as long as they don't use his classic version cause that would just be straight up unfair cause most people who dont know Ben 10 tend to think that version of Ben has his UAF or OV playlist for some odd reason
because he does, the omnitrix failsafes still exist, it's still the omnitrix he can't willingly transform into whatever aliens beat goku yes, but if he's going to die if he doesn't, the omnitrix will transform him into the alien that best fits the situation, and if it's someone like alien x, it'll be alien x
@malevolentsponge yeah, but in terms of his classic version, he probably can't access the UAF aliens because they may be exclusive to the recalibrated Omnitrix and versions after, that's what I'm trying to say cause it being a prototype means that it won't have the full functionality of the complete version because it's tech is not fully perfected
@@shakedown3268yes classic Ben 10 or 10 year old Ben absolutely gets destroyed if he fights goku bc he has access to only 10-15 aliens and none are stronger than goku
the major problem with Ben 10 is 1: of course Alien X being a constant topic and 2: most of his other aliens being STATED to be ungodly broken too while lacking evidence off, like how Heatblast can easily reach supernova temperature while being showed as a pretty B lister alien in the show, Way Big being as a species alone a planet buster yet seeing nothing of that sort but all claims/states are backed up by the creators themself saying them, so powerscaling Ben 10 fairly is just really difficult
We have a good feat for Way big in OV where he blocked a planet destroying beam that destroyed pluto from earth and overpowered it. But yea, Ben 10 is a show that isn't trying to show how busted it is, since it is still a CN cartoon and not Dragon ball.
Way big reacted to a tachyon laser mounted on a ship that’s known and shown to be a planet buster. Showing he’s got ridiculous feats as tachyons move faster than light. He then shot a cosmic blast that matched said tachyon laser. So yes way big does have feats. Ultimate way big was also able to literally pull the dagon from the sky and match his blasts as well. The same dagon who basically controls his own dimension and is a threat to the entire universe.
Also, his other aliens have tons of scalable feats through what types of weapons they resist/can match/overpower. Feedback also has dodged an arm canon that was described to be a tachyon laser too. He also absorbed the energy of a big bang. Chromastone is basically space Jesus for an entire species and basically revived a planet and he’s also like a b level alien.
@@RiceCubeTech okay fair, WAy Big maybe wasn't the best example but still, yes We have feats but the scaling is also VERY inconsistant (through out the entire series in fact). Yes Way Big has the feats to back up the statement but there are times where Theyare also contradicted, like when the species of Way Big (sorry I'm bad with names like that) invaded Earth and It was pretty much fine, if I recall most of them werebrought down by like a at best a city level aliens (as in Ben), Y''know, It's things like that that make scaling Ben 10 so hard, We have a lot of statements that were and probably never will be backed up by showings, We have some statements that yes do show that level of power but are brought down but inconsistency
i think brolys form is a really good example of a prime saiyan of sorts, not that its the peak genetic wise but rather he is the closest thing to a true saiyan in terms of potential, he uses ikari which is the power of the great ape at all times he has no need for a tail, he is both the ape and the saiyan combined in a power fusion of pure saiyan power its the pinnacle a base saiyan can be, ben would likely be like this as hed most likely have ikari traits as its pure saiyan potential however hed also probably be waay stronger tapping into if not enhancing ikari more and in a better way as well as being an elite bloodline he might even resemble a ssj4 if were talking about a saiyan at its best
@@chrisprivette7260 to me the peak example of a saiyan is Gohan, i don't think many people has mentioned this but Gohan potential is very high, he wen't from getting beat by frieza in his base form to strong enough to go toe to toe with Kefla ssj IN A DAY, like that is insane. He is the perfect example of a peak saiyan.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh that's because super make no sense most of the time Super Goku literally almost died by a Laser Gun that shouldn't even being able to Penetrate his Skin Broly is the peak of there Species he's using Saiyan Powers
@ClashMasterStudios idk, Broly is more kinda like a mutation that grant him the peak power of his species like Kolar or Maltruant rather than being born in a perfect condition with a perfect gene without any error.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh i would agree but what makes gohan so strong partially is being a hybrid with his potential unlocked through special means, broly is purely a saiyan and the only power he has is that of the best saiyan
First of all, Celestial Sapiens can be hurt only by other Celestial Sapiens and beings on similar level of Omnipotence like probably Dr. Manhattan, his body is indestructible and even if ripped aoart he can just regenerate through shape shifting, not to mention that the basics of Alien X's powers is that nothing can happen if HE doesn't allow it.
@@legendary3952we have seen him make a 1000 smaller vesions of himself so 1.he can regenerate/shapeshift 2.we have seen him tank all damage from gladiator celestial sapien, 2.only more omnipotent beings than him can harm him.3 he is literally God, celestial sapiens have destroyed and recreated the universe multiple times. My source is the b10 omniverse series, what is your argument?
@ “1000 smaller versions of himself” I don’t remember them saying 1000 but okay, sure he did make a lot of himself, but it wasn’t clear whether all those versions equal the original’s power. “Regenerate/shapeshift” When? “Tank all damage from gladiator” You make that seem impressive yet we don’t know how strong gladiator’s attacks were. “Only more omnipotent beings can harm him” I don’t know what that means. Omnipotent means _can do anything._ at least that’s my understanding of it since there’s many definitions of it. If that’s the definition you’re using then how can someone be more capable of doing anything?????? “He is literally god” How old are you bro? You’re using literally all wrong. Literally doesn’t mean figuratively smh. Nonetheless there’s plenty of characters in fiction demonstrating superior powers, so they’d be better described as god smh “Destroyed and recreated the universe multiple times” Why do you think that? When have we seen a celestialsapien destroy a universe? We’ve seen Ben make one but when the opposite?
I think it would result in Goku gaining a goal to beat Alien X in a fight after realizing how much more powerful he is compared to himself at his absolute peak.
Honestly, you make a really good point. Ben would 100% shift through a dozen or so different aliens throughout the fight against Goku. And honestly I feel like the one choice (that isn’t blatantly OP) who would have the most screentime in the fight would legitimately be Rath. Purely because Rath’s species is entirely devoted to fighting. I’m also like… 80% convinced that Rath would somehow get ki manipulation out of spite alone.
But like if you wanted transformations who could probably beat Goku (or Saiyans in general) Clockwork, Atomix, The Worst…? But that is extremely situational. And Rath. Maybe. Rath would definitely get a power up of some kind fighting Goku, whether that be knowledge of martial arts or ki manipulation
Nobody else stands a chance besides Alien X, honestly. Ben would accidentaly get himself killed by trying to play around and go through his weaker aliens lol
@@Brookypirez He’s not a complete idiot, he just acts that way until he realizes he needs to get serious. But he would get his ass kicked in a few transformations before getting serious
While I agree with all your points I would say Ben has some aliens which can defeat Goku without Alien X which are Clockwork ( his time powers are better than hit), ghost freak/ whampire's possesion ability, pixie dust( to make him sleep) and Toepick( he just have to show his face to complete make it's opponents brain dead by making them scared)
@@isaacbell5156 Dragon Ball Character are still bound by Time and hit doesn't Control Time Clockwork is Leagues above Hit we literally see Whis Reverse Time, Trunks creates Different Timeline by Time Travelling creating a 2nd Zeno so Yeah Clockwork wins
@ClashMasterStudios Dragon ball characters are not bounded by time and hell Jiren's power stated to trescends time. Zeno literally destroyed future trunks timeline casually but he still existed when there is no time in it.
@@isaacbell5156 you do realize that as long as your stronger than a Character in DB you can Overpower their Hax because of Ki you sound like 1 of those people who think Super Goku is Outerversal
@ClashMasterStudios Debunking your arguements counts me as goku wanker alright gotcha. Do you also know that ki in dragon ball overcomes your physical 3rd dimension body limits. like for instance Super buu and gotenks with thier scream makes a hole to space-time. Buuhan is going to destroy the living universe which is stated to be infinte and the fabric of spacetime with his tantrums. Goku destroy hit's pocket dimensions and etc. this is a 4D feat lowball.
I couldn’t agree more with this video’s outcome. Although i disagree that Alien X could physically overpower Goku and especially post DBS Goku i do think he can just not fight and straight up erase Goku from existence.
There are some aliens that beat goku I think feedback or chromostone would hard diff Goku feedback more so. Ghost freak could mabye possess him. Obviously alien X. Goop.
@ feed back is a super solder like captain America and chromostone can fly and is more durable but the power that they have in common is that they can absorb and redirect energy with no limit to how much they can absorb. Like the androids but they can double it and shoot it back out. Feed back is better at it tho
@@DEMOMLORD7 yeah that’s what I was thinking too, plus if vilgax can shatter chromastone I’d say goku can do the too, but realistically goku probably wouldn’t go that far
Every db character is bound by time . When future trunks time travels and creates a new timeline that can create a new zeno , whis , beerus . All of them are bound by the timeline . Alien x negs them with hax .
@@gammaf1365 they make decisions in time if we say forg of creation doesn't have time being "born" there wouldn't make any sense + agregor was going to absorb baby alien x so they can be defeated and them growing up would require them to actualize into something us which yet again shows time boundnes they aren't even omnipotent as most Ben 10 fans suggest since they have a whole species
@@Paul-yr9vk biggest alien x feat is universal level I haven't seen him do more than that and laws of db universe are different from Ben's universe so alien x being able to do anything would be a hard statement to make since with enough ki db characters can resist shenron's wishes
Idk it really depends on how much goku begs ben to use alien x for it to go that far otherwise i think ben wold come out thinking Goku's a fighting nut but a cool guy who knows how to eat and goku finding ben to be a fairly strategic sparing partner
Alien X easily beats Goku+verse Feedback and Ultimate Waybig is a good match against goku,feedback can absorb all of goku's power,ultimate waybig can match with his power
While it probably wouldn't make a difference I think it's important to note that the Omnitrix not only would turn Ben into a prime Saiyan, but actually "bend reality" while doing so, because it takes a lot of liberties to make Ben the prime version. As an example in Omniverse Ben as Four Arms was able to defeat the Princess Looma, who as far as we know is the strongest Tetramand. This is really insane as female Tetramands are a lot stronger than male ones and Ben's age affects his aliens. To put this into human perspective just imagine a 16 year old girl stepping into the ring with Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or whoever you consider humanities strongest fighter during their prime and the girl not only winning but it being basically a stomp. Like what ever kind of juice the Omnitrix gives Ben and his aliens must be insane.
From what I understand, Saiyan Ben would be what the peak Saiyan can attain. UI is a technique one can learn, Human, Namekian, its not strictly for Saiyans. Same can be said with Super Saiyan God. So peak saiyan would probably closely resemble Ssj3 or 4 at least that was depicted in 5YL
guys please correct me if im wrong but aren't angels a race too? , I'm not counting gods of destruction since they're all different but angels, are all the same, share the same characteristics. so can ben do it or not? please tell me
The omnitrix does take outliers sich as broly into account, thats kinda the existence of wildvine, wildmut, fourarms, theyre outliers in their species for various reasons, so super broly is the prime example of a saiyan in dragon ball, with one stipulation, ben doesnt have the rage broly does, he's way more controlled, but it would likely be broly, theres also the omnitrix and ben being smart enough and capable enough too train a dna sample ie kickenhawk, so at very least super broly is the base and can go further, which is terrible for dragon ball, it took a SS blue fusion too take him down once, now they have too fight a controlled version of that with greater potential, no one except goku would want too fight that, and thats the good outcome for a dragon ball scan, imagine if he scanned Buu, the prime example of Buu's species is kid buu, and its kid buu with amps from ben, he can take hit's dna and get his entire kit minus the assassin training, he can scan frieza and get gold frieza (given the omnitrix takes into account training, kickenhawk), and then theres jiren, who is the peak of his species with no alt forms, he's just like that, the scan function is wild for ben, it can scan anything for ben within limits, the omnitrix just wins fights like this, kinda confused on why people always puts ben against non-human fighters expecting ben too lose.
Ben 10 is Hyperversal with Alien X being 26D with statements that can be interpreted as him being Outerversal but not much at all if ibh. Goku is casually Complex Multiversal and non canon incarnations are Hyperversal. Hope that clears things up. Info can be given if asked
Hey, I actually wanted to know something if you're able to answer it of course. How do you truly scale goku? I've seen so many people (big ones, official divine and drip_sause mainly) I hear some say he's boundless already in anime and in manga, and say he's infinite layers into boundless in heros, I just wanted to know how do you truely scale him since I'd see him as mulitversal and stuff.
i think middletrack scaled Goku to high outer and he was outer when clashing with Beerus, he explains better so you can go to his videos to see what I mean.
@@ẞūmïhíkœ Outerversal Goku is only up for debate due to a old translation that can be interpreted as just above the time and space of the mortal realm and can be disproven by in anime statements saying the time is different in OtherWorld. The other is with the WOV which is more concrete but again only has one translation
Fyi Bens Cronosapian form can stop time and or take or give time. Meaning Ben just turns into a Cronosapian and nake Goku a baby, or too old to fight or just freeze time and punch Goku so many times that it would just onock him out. Oh and before people say Goku beat time manipulation before he hasnt they explained Hit doesnt control time he moves through it at a faster rate.
Actually I think there is no need to get a heavyhitter involved, it'd be as simple as choosing a intangible alien like ghostfreak, how can goku hit it? I can only imanine him beating ghostfreak if he is fast enought to attack before he goes intangible
Because DB is a very strong verse that also shows how strong it is from the start. Simple observation and logic dictates that if they are planet busters even during the end of DB then at the end of Z or super they are boonkers strong so Goku is an easy way for casuals to get how busted his opponent is.
With dragon ball daima i think zeno is only able to specifically destroy because in daima we now know someone else was the one who created the universes of dragon ball so in that aspect alien x is able to both create and destroy while zeno can only destroy which makes alien x higher
thanks for making this video and I see you do it to try and be respectful and be accurate without trying to be unfair with the two characters, so thanks for doing it ok, don't see it as a critic, just a comliment because I agree with you in your point of view and debate for now ok, have a nice day and merry christmas and take care
Failsafe feature if you try to speedblitz it won't work the fail safe literally safed ben from a big bang explosion i think because it's been so long since i watched it
@nameless09ko actually no Goku needed kaioken to beat hit and that only helps so much cause he can only go up to a sixth into the future or past while clockwork can go as much as he wants, and Goku was struggling with that no one seems to remember this he had the limitations he wasn’t this. Oh he can time travel for whatever he can go only up to one in time while clockwork can go all the way up to as much as he wants.
@@rozonmcdonald8750you really think goku hasn’t improved himself since then? Seriously ? He only could go times ten kioken by universe 6 tournament. By TOP he could go TEN TIMES THAT! He’s definitely folding clockwork out of existence
I do not get the reality warpers argument always being used, ever since the Saiyan saga it was made clear wishes that warp reality has no effect on the characters as long as their power is superior, and even if they are superior, for example, Janemba or Buu the most they are able to do is either change their form while they keep the strength, and power or just make a copy of them. If you want AlienX to win just have Ben form an army of AlienX or force the fight into space. The Kai’s used to be the creators of the universe, who live in a realm that are beyond/without time, and realms/dimensions. With the weakest Kai’s creating, and manipulating a realm the size of the mortal realm just for racing. From what I can tell creating things out of nothing, and manipulating reality were always viewed as nothing in the DB franchise, just look at Arale, and Popo who could just create a self-movement copy of Goku with just a piece of hair.
Hmmm, i really want to see if chromastone can do anything to effect the ki in goku, He can absorb mana like what gwen shot at himm in the dagon ark, and mana is more connected to life than ki
Energy Absorption - Chromastone can be a conduit for various types of energy, such as lasers, electricity, radiation, magic, and much more. This is what Google said
Just don't let goku punch the Omnitrix on the chest but in the end Goku will stop when he is satisfied and he will recognize that ben is a good guy so he will ask him to ear something together
I don't think that omnitrix on chest can be broken, cuz if that was true omnitrix would be destroyed when he fought celestialsapien. Probably even when annihilargh would do same and destroy omnitrix even if he is in alien x so its basically not true that omnitrix can be broken
If Ben scanned Goku he would become Bardock not Broly because Broly is a mutant but I do think with the LifeLock or master control function providing the transformation with near Infinite Energy yeah he'd be stronger than Goku. In Dragon Ball it's 80% ki 20% technique. Ben is a martial artist who's fought a wider variety of opponents than Goku. That martial arts training would do him wonders in a Saiyan body and even though it's inconsistent on whether or not the Omnitrix will download information of the species into his mind I feel like the human and Saiyan bodies are similar enough for him to not have a problem bringing out its maximum potential unlike Ginyu. Besides that I don't even think Ben would need Alien X not when Clockwork exists.
Yeah, anyone who takes this power scaling nonsense seriously to the point where their main source of self esteem comes from the fact that they think their favourite fictional character can beat someone else's should just go outside.
Guys no need to argue because it's the hand on writer if writer wants be can give goku alien x like form or if writer wants he can give ben a stronger alien
i don't even think alien x is even necessary to fight goku i mean clockwork is enough the dude can negate a bomb that can destroy multiverse and the entire timeline so i don't see hoe goku can brute force his way out of that fight not to mention that tho physically clockwork is slow af but he has the ability to stop or slowdown time and move thru it bending the time and space itsel
Broly doesn't seem like a mutantion more like a thing of legend like chromastone, i think thats how his name is written, is to diamond head, so Peak sayan = Broly level potential or higher + Goku's love for fighting so he doesn't end the fight immediatly = Goku is done for
What about the scene when a future version of Ben got destroyed by the bomb that destroyed a universe timeline going after a lot versions of Ben he was in his alien x from fuse with a other alien and he still got erased with alien x
i imagine zeno and alien x are on par its just zeno doesnt need to think as hard or side with the 2 other personalities, zeno has way more experience and time spent as a god even if its close as the beings they are i think hes still a bit ahead just from the mental side of things (no reason ben cant scan him though lol)
don't forget, ben doesn't have to check in with the other parts anymore. they gave him full control. i do agree lack of experience would still put zeno on top
@ClashMasterStudios yeah i was more referring to earlier on, also every big thing hes one has been with bellecus and serenas help we havent seen him do anything major with just his control
@@oddfox9119 Omniverse Ben vs a CelestialSapiens he was in Control Completey & and when he was Manipulating Kevin and the other kids Body he's in Control hopefully we gain a ew Series to show what else he can do in all his Aliens
Ya know I was coming into this video thinking it was gonna be another inaccurate telling of how they would handle the situation as ben and how they interpret the Omnitrix abilities working, but you actually spoke logical and accurate facts in this video because the Omnitrix uses the prime or peak version of the species as in what is a natural peak of the alein is not the exact aliens or unnatural levels other aliens of that race reached by other means, only time it has been the exact alein is Ghostfreak and that's because of his special anatomy and overall make up, and Goku knowing it's a young dudedor knowing he can't win would accept it and be excited to do it again at some other point in time then they'd probably go eat with Goku almost eating them out of house and home , then Ben and him would have already had or will have a conversation about him getting back home ben as alein X will likely help him with that and it'll likely be over.
Hakai is just a weaker Chronosapien Time Bomb. Beerus stated Hakaing Zamasu would erase him across all Timelines, sorta like Time Bomb but because of the Time Ring shinanigans it didnt work in Trunks Timeline. Ben becoming Alien X made him completely immune to all Time, Space and Reality erasure from the Time Bomb, so Hakai wouldnt affect him period.
I actually have a question about Ben’s becoming the prime version of a species. Does it mean, prime in terms of strength, speed, natural selection(sexual selection) or cultural beliefs?
Ben had years practicing and mastering four arms, i can tell you millions of reasons why a saiyan from dragon ball with ki control and all is far more complex than a fkcing tetraman that only punches
@@dsm2417 he only use forearms for around a year because then he had to switch out for other aliens and then forearms came back in ultimate alien and that wasn’t even for a year because Ben was only 17 in Omniverse and Ben in ultimate alien was either 17 or 16 so it’s probably hasn’t even been a year for that either and most a year so that’s not even an excuse
Yeaaa now that I think about it. Goku coild just blitz him before he activated alien x or any form. He’s faster than Ben since he’s human by way too much. Low diff
Well... He can't. There's a feature that stops Ben from dying and it would give him enough time to transform, then Alien X blah blah Goku dies. Low diff.
No cap u really think he can b equally to Beerus but still can't beat whiz alr and they are powerfull really really powerful but Ben in ALIAN-X is a being that can forge and he casually destroys universes like it's child's play now tell me who will win an omniviant being or a alian that is superpoweful and is able to destroys planets at his full potential and can multiple his power 50x that powerful but compared to alian-x he is nothing and I'm not even a Ben 10 fan alr and I like anime especially dragon ball z so tell me who will win
I think Goku stops at Echo Echo, he can duplicate and turn into multiple bens who can turn into XLR8 & Big Chill which means he moves faster and can freeze him
bro first of all Goku blitzes and one shots any of them, second that strat was ass for ben and they almost lost w a guy not even town level. Single ben is leagues better, and Goku still wins
@@dsm2417one shots? Omnitrix even saved ben from a big bang even he could kill him only his alien form or human form will be gone and omnitrix will give him the alien which he needs just watch the fcking show
@@dsm2417 Goku’s only around 33,000 times faster than the speed of light on average. We actually seen most aliens that are typically slow going a lot faster than light even grandpa Max casually blocking light beams so when the Ben 10 universe, Goku and speed isn’t really that special.
@rozonmcdonald8750 goku is only 38000 times the speed of light? He is way faster. In early dbz, raditz with a power lvl of 1000 could dodge piccolos special beam cannon which was light speed. Near the end of the frieza saga he had a power lvl of like 150 mio. In battle of gods, their clashes were felt across the universe (which has multiple smaller universes in them and also being infinite). Goku was able to dodge attacks which traversed the universe instantly.
spoilers for the show "Ben 10: Omniverse": The Official Completed Omnitrix has a failsafe that kicks in the event that the user's life is in jeopardy. This feature turns them into the needed alien to survive. The failsafe once reacted to a Big Bang exploding right in front of Ben's face and the Omnitrix then turned Ben into the right alien to prevent him from dying. So if Goku tried to speedblitz Ben, the Omnitrix's failsafe would activate and then turn Ben into the right alien for protection.
Even if Ben 10 did copy his Dna he wouldn't have kaioken, god ki, nor godly techniques, he'd be peak saiyan, but not A Martial artist nor a student of an Angel he might be able to go 1 - 3 super saiyan but the strain Is always accountable He wouldn't be able to do it with ease. The moment Ben Hits Alien x is the one moment where goku Always loses to a God.
Nice video, although some of the information u had was incorrect, you were right about a lot, I'd like to elaborate more on this but that would mean I'd be typing for a long time, so long story short-Dragon ball is an anime and animes are very violent and have characters who appear quite powerful cause of the way fights are animated, Ben 10 is for kids so yes it is violent but not like anime and unlike anime where u can get a bunch of info from each episode, ben 10 isn't so, if u want detailed info on ben 10, head to the ben 10 wiki, you'll see how strong the aliens are despite appearing weak in the show, e.g fourarms has been confirmed to be able to lift up to 42 waybigs stacked on top of each other, atomix can beat Goku but explaining that would take long, waybig can also beat Goku but again explaining would take long as u can see this comment is already quite long, anyway bye, keep making videos my fellow human, it's hero time!
Tal vez Ben 10 de Omniverse pueda derrotar al Goku clásicos y Z pero desde super es bastante obvio que ni siquiera Ben usando a alien X podrá derrotar a goku super saiyan blue
Which Goku are you referring to if it's Dragon Ball super Goku then it's a good fight but I think Goku would win, if it's Xeno Goku then Goku definitely wins and if it's GT Goku then Goku definitely wins, the Broly thing you said it doesn't make sense the actual reason why Ben wouldn't turn into a Broly like character is because Broly has been training his entire life and Ben's aliens are usually the peak genetically and not the peak physically and are also only Peak for 16 year old Ben so even if it was for Peak physically it would only be a 16-year-old genetic and physical peak of a Saiyan. Also Alien X has been shown to have a weakness against multiversal wiping attacks in the episode 200 special "and then there were none" it was showing that atomix X could be wiped away by the time bomb that destroyed the entire Multiverse, Goku has already been shown multiversal feats so it's totally possible that if you're writing them in character Goku can win, he has enough damage to he has more than enough speed to and Ben doesn't usually kill his enemies in the first place while Goku has killed his enemies before.
I'm a huge Ben 10 fan by the way, but other series Gokus are just not losing to Ben, a good example is GT's 100 Year Goku special, this guy is so strong he can bring the dead back to life can teleport throughout the afterlife is back at his original body after the Ultimate Dragon who can grant literally any wish forced him to stay a child forever I can do all of this and even be summoned with only one Dragon Ball.
Bryh thumbnail speaks for itself goku mollywaps, causally outerversal, dont ask me how, jus go watch drip sauce 🤷🏾 shows real factual scans and evidence to prove so
People saying Ben needs Alien X but they are for getting there is a Alien called Clockwork and no even if Goku tries to perform the move he used against Hit it won't work that guy can control time on Multiverse level heck there is freaking damn entire Arc about it that guy is broken and if he has Ultimatrix that's the moment it is finished if Goku even punches Ben he is going get absolutely dog watered. Many people forget but that Omnitrix takes a DNA of alien and makes it reach its highest potential possible for a species that's why a alien can never hope to beat Ben on one on one and Ultimatrix just puts that DNA into literal hell for it to evolve and upgrade its potential [A broken race like Saiyan gets even more broken] and if the watch scans Broly that's the end of DB no question asked
The idea of prime sayian dosen't relate to strangth though in the way you think. And you really just have to look at goku to prove it. Genetically, he's bang avarge all his power is within the relm for any sayin if the put in the work. Vegeta had better gens at the start, but regardless, nothing says they are perfect. with that out of the way, the idea of prime sayian is that they would give him the maximum potential a sayian could possibly reach with there Genetics perfected.as soon as he transformed To show this you have to look at a few spesific aliens of bens namely these 4 .kickin hawk bullfrag four arms and dimond head Kicking hawk and bullfrag are pretty self exsplanitory bens transformation is easily shown to be above the natural aliens to the point he is physically distinct."incursions are an arms so you couldn't possibly say they dont train. Fourarms directly out strangths his spices princess/queen when hes at a getic disadvantage Males are canonically weaker for there spices but when trading a single puch she gets sent flying he dosen't. And lastly dimond head is abke to stall vilgax pretty consistently when tetrax couldn't ever and he actively had a reason to take vilgax out. The idea for ben scaning goku would be it would be whatever gokus top potential + some is wher ben should be at strangth wise - ui since that relise on technique Ssj -3 is debatable as ben is supposed to get a brain dump of his transformations abilities God - blue is debatable as you could make a case god ki becomes a genetic component with goku black regenerating and stating hes changing the cells in gokus body till he gained rose. The idea for him becoming broly is split a few ways but mainly these 3 If ben uses the ultimatrix to do the scan he becomes a pure genetic clone this is brought up in the show itself its a glitch. 2 if ben uses the regular watch to scan broly theres no reason it wouldn't give him a similar sayian potential body But if not 3 some people want to say broly woud essentially be what an ultimate sayian would be so it wouldn't matter who he scans at all the feature would give him a broly like transformation
He.. he can’t be. He outscales physically by having higher dimensional scaling that Ben lacks, and has survived Hakai (Existence Erasure) for several minutes in base, and he was offguard. Ben outhaxes, sure, but he still lacks a genuine definitive wincon.
@@Brookypirezhe did pick up a big bang and tossed at someone with physical power. Alao he did recreate a universe by thinking. That is surely more inpresive then punching hard enough to almost destroy it.
@@raeldrews1187 Cool but that was Feedback with his absorption powers, not Alien X. Alien X never displayed a physical feat on Goku's level, it's all hax and abilities.
@Brookypirez my man. First alien x can do anything any other of the aliens can. Second he has the power to create and destroy much more the a universe with tough. Making himself stronger is not hard. Third physical abilities mean shit when your opponent can blink you out of existence. Goku has no resistence against reality warpers. Also we have feats that put clockwork capable of undoing what zeno does. Its a strach but it is very posible.
Do you think if Ben used Ghostfreak he’d be able to posses Goku? I haven’t seen any Dragon Ball but part of me think he would be able to and another part of me is thinking Goku would be able to resist the possession somehow.
3:16 in namek Ginyu thought goku was a mutant when assuming he had a powerlevel of 60k Meaning even that is considered unnatural for a saiyan so ben's saiyan form would likely cap at 50k Update: for the full implications of what this means for ben is if he scanned a saiyan the only form he would have is great ape/oozaru(he might get ikari but we still dont know if thats a broly exclusive or something any saiyan can get)since super saiyan 1,2,3,4,god,blue,blue evolved,perfected blue have power level requirements
I don’t I don’t disagree with the outcome of this video I do have when complaints, I do feel like ben 10, can be like a Broly typing Saiyan but maybe in his ultimate form he’ll unlock legendary super Saiyan just because in the actual show it is stated that the legendary super Saiyan is a evil Saiyan so biologically speaking… he should be able to transform into a legendary super Saiyan if he was to go in to an ultimate Saiyan.
@@RackerTheRascalMashup actually the more kind hearted the sayian is the easier it is to transform just look at golden and trunks. It was actually pretty easy for them to transform wasn’t it so a good hearted person like Ben will be able to transform almost immediately and it also dumps the information into his mind so he knows how to do it
@@dsm2417 it makes him into the prime or strongest of the species. It takes away any of the weaknesses and he can also just go ultimate which is 1 million years into the future of evolution so I can also just beat them because the last time I checked, Goku is only 46
Ben can’t erase goku from existence since he has resisted existence erasure before of guard, and and goku has fought and beaten, reality warpers before. Like Janemba, hit that can skip through time and jiren who transcends time get your facts straight.
Surviving a hakai from arguably the weakest GoD does not equal to surviving erasure from a being who can do it by a single thought. Unless ur saying goku can somehow withstand zeno’s erasure which has never been shown Goku was getting dogged that fight against janemba and he could only predict where janemba was going, not actually interact with tht space. Same case with hit with his fight against goku and jiren “Jiren transends time” when he only broke out of a space where HIS time is frozen doesn’t mean he transends it. At best it means jiren can out power hit’s time skip if used on him but not that he has the ability to bend, break and transcend the concept of time itself. At best clockwork’s ability to manipulate time is comparable to whis reverting the time of earth’s destruction from frieza in RoF.
my drunk father with prep time always beats me
can he beat goku tho?
@morbster6520 Goku soloes with fatherless energy
@@morbster6520 ye
Drunk father always lose by his son
@@ayrandabenoja5827 Dude I can't laugh at ths cause all I feel pity
"Goku is an alien, known as a Saiyan, right? If Ben 10 scans Goku's DNA with the Ultimatrix, he can become fullest of a Saiyan's potential. And if anything goes wrong. Alien X."
Theoretically speaking if he scanned it with the ultimatrix he can go Ultimate with that form
goku gets his strength from his training, things like his peak forms like god forms and mui is also not a basic saiyan form that can be achieved by just having potential as a saiyan, what ben would have gotten is something like a elite level saiyan like vegeta and would have capped at super saiyan 3, so scanning wouldnt work
@@adanalsans8998 even if ben gets a new alien that he has never heard before he will still know how to use him to its best so
@@adanalsans8998the ultimatrix puts alien DNA through millions of years of the harshest possible conditions. Ben may not get God Ki and the like, but he wouldn't necessarily be capped at SS3
Wouldn't the pinnacle of saiyan be what ever broly is? Goku needed to fuse as a god just to beat brolg?
Dude you just made this video at this exact moment when I was animating a Ben 10 VS Goku video 😭
Wait u were well hope u do good
Goku in his base form slams the verse unironically
Goku in his mastered ultra instinct form gets slammed like a fodder against the ben 10 verse honestly😂😂😂
hey I am done to see that
@crashtime3429 That's just scientifically inaccurate
If you watch the Omniverse series where Gladiator Celestialsapien was punching Ben with all his strength
You might notice he wasn't getting any harm or damage. His body was taking those attacks like nothing and Ben , Serena and Bellicus were just casually standing in their pocket dimensions watching and talking like nothing. 😂😂
"X just kills the entire Universe and reforms it without Goku in it."
"Ok but what if he gets punched like really really hard?"
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Then alien x can just punch harder
i thought u cant even punch alien x cause i thought u go through him or something
@@WarriorZionel1in alien xs first appearance, nothing hurts him while he's standing still and they have to carry him around. In omniverse the annihilarg destroys the universe around alien x but he isn't affected
@@moonwhooper alien x literally can't be destroyed so no hope for Goku
Alien x cannot be damaged by another living things you can be do something if you are a celestiansapien but it cannot get damage anyways
Honestly this review is very refreshing as most people don't realize that some characters won't go all out right away or aren't trying to kill outright.
Ben 10 > Goku
Omnitrix > Fiction
Fax
Yeah Alien X still wins over goku but Goku can still beat Ben if Alien X isnt involved
@@Mythicalstories7080 clockwork freezes time and unfreezes his lungs then he dies 🥱
clockwork has been damaged by less if goku speed blitzes him its over@@Monkey55801
At any point i can see Ben winning a fight against goku, as long as they don't use his classic version cause that would just be straight up unfair cause most people who dont know Ben 10 tend to think that version of Ben has his UAF or OV playlist for some odd reason
because he does, the omnitrix failsafes still exist, it's still the omnitrix
he can't willingly transform into whatever aliens beat goku yes, but if he's going to die if he doesn't, the omnitrix will transform him into the alien that best fits the situation, and if it's someone like alien x, it'll be alien x
@malevolentsponge yeah, but in terms of his classic version, he probably can't access the UAF aliens because they may be exclusive to the recalibrated Omnitrix and versions after, that's what I'm trying to say cause it being a prototype means that it won't have the full functionality of the complete version because it's tech is not fully perfected
@@shakedown3268yes classic Ben 10 or 10 year old Ben absolutely gets destroyed if he fights goku bc he has access to only 10-15 aliens and none are stronger than goku
@@malevolentsponge Would Ben classic even be able to negotiate with Bellacus and Serena?
@@themustachioedfish5988, He was a cocky kid back then. He would just start arguing with them.
the major problem with Ben 10 is 1: of course Alien X being a constant topic and 2: most of his other aliens being STATED to be ungodly broken too while lacking evidence off, like how Heatblast can easily reach supernova temperature while being showed as a pretty B lister alien in the show, Way Big being as a species alone a planet buster yet seeing nothing of that sort but all claims/states are backed up by the creators themself saying them, so powerscaling Ben 10 fairly is just really difficult
We have a good feat for Way big in OV where he blocked a planet destroying beam that destroyed pluto from earth and overpowered it.
But yea, Ben 10 is a show that isn't trying to show how busted it is, since it is still a CN cartoon and not Dragon ball.
Way big reacted to a tachyon laser mounted on a ship that’s known and shown to be a planet buster. Showing he’s got ridiculous feats as tachyons move faster than light.
He then shot a cosmic blast that matched said tachyon laser.
So yes way big does have feats.
Ultimate way big was also able to literally pull the dagon from the sky and match his blasts as well. The same dagon who basically controls his own dimension and is a threat to the entire universe.
Also, his other aliens have tons of scalable feats through what types of weapons they resist/can match/overpower.
Feedback also has dodged an arm canon that was described to be a tachyon laser too. He also absorbed the energy of a big bang. Chromastone is basically space Jesus for an entire species and basically revived a planet and he’s also like a b level alien.
@@RiceCubeTech okay fair, WAy Big maybe wasn't the best example but still, yes We have feats but the scaling is also VERY inconsistant (through out the entire series in fact).
Yes Way Big has the feats to back up the statement but there are times where Theyare also contradicted, like when the species of Way Big (sorry I'm bad with names like that) invaded Earth and It was pretty much fine, if I recall most of them werebrought down by like a at best a city level aliens (as in Ben), Y''know, It's things like that that make scaling Ben 10 so hard, We have a lot of statements that were and probably never will be backed up by showings, We have some statements that yes do show that level of power but are brought down but inconsistency
@@G128_cz yeah because it was not the best of their species
i think brolys form is a really good example of a prime saiyan of sorts, not that its the peak genetic wise but rather he is the closest thing to a true saiyan in terms of potential, he uses ikari which is the power of the great ape at all times he has no need for a tail, he is both the ape and the saiyan combined in a power fusion of pure saiyan power its the pinnacle a base saiyan can be, ben would likely be like this as hed most likely have ikari traits as its pure saiyan potential however hed also probably be waay stronger tapping into if not enhancing ikari more and in a better way as well as being an elite bloodline he might even resemble a ssj4 if were talking about a saiyan at its best
id say brolys more of a mutation ss4 is the peak of a sayin to me if they just use hard work.
@@chrisprivette7260 to me the peak example of a saiyan is Gohan, i don't think many people has mentioned this but Gohan potential is very high, he wen't from getting beat by frieza in his base form to strong enough to go toe to toe with Kefla ssj IN A DAY, like that is insane. He is the perfect example of a peak saiyan.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh that's because super make no sense most of the time Super Goku literally almost died by a Laser Gun that shouldn't even being able to Penetrate his Skin Broly is the peak of there Species he's using Saiyan Powers
@ClashMasterStudios idk, Broly is more kinda like a mutation that grant him the peak power of his species like Kolar or Maltruant rather than being born in a perfect condition with a perfect gene without any error.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh i would agree but what makes gohan so strong partially is being a hybrid with his potential unlocked through special means, broly is purely a saiyan and the only power he has is that of the best saiyan
First of all, Celestial Sapiens can be hurt only by other Celestial Sapiens and beings on similar level of Omnipotence like probably Dr. Manhattan, his body is indestructible and even if ripped aoart he can just regenerate through shape shifting, not to mention that the basics of Alien X's powers is that nothing can happen if HE doesn't allow it.
None of what you said is true.
@@legendary3952we have seen him make a 1000 smaller vesions of himself so 1.he can regenerate/shapeshift 2.we have seen him tank all damage from gladiator celestial sapien, 2.only more omnipotent beings than him can harm him.3 he is literally God, celestial sapiens have destroyed and recreated the universe multiple times. My source is the b10 omniverse series, what is your argument?
@ “1000 smaller versions of himself”
I don’t remember them saying 1000 but okay, sure he did make a lot of himself, but it wasn’t clear whether all those versions equal the original’s power.
“Regenerate/shapeshift”
When?
“Tank all damage from gladiator”
You make that seem impressive yet we don’t know how strong gladiator’s attacks were.
“Only more omnipotent beings can harm him”
I don’t know what that means.
Omnipotent means _can do anything._ at least that’s my understanding of it since there’s many definitions of it. If that’s the definition you’re using then how can someone be more capable of doing anything??????
“He is literally god”
How old are you bro?
You’re using literally all wrong.
Literally doesn’t mean figuratively smh. Nonetheless there’s plenty of characters in fiction demonstrating superior powers, so they’d be better described as god smh
“Destroyed and recreated the universe multiple times”
Why do you think that?
When have we seen a celestialsapien destroy a universe?
We’ve seen Ben make one but when the opposite?
kudos nobody really takes they personalities into account so thanks
Cause Ben has full control so the personalities are irrelevant
@Mario-s5z3o no kudos for you
@Mario-s5z3o sorry meant goku and bens personalities
I think it would result in Goku gaining a goal to beat Alien X in a fight after realizing how much more powerful he is compared to himself at his absolute peak.
Alien X >>>>>>>>>>> dbs verse
@@konrad8898 nah
@@devanplays3509 Prove it 😂😂😂
@@konrad8898 u first
@@devanplays3509 you have no arguments ? 😂😂
Honestly, you make a really good point. Ben would 100% shift through a dozen or so different aliens throughout the fight against Goku. And honestly I feel like the one choice (that isn’t blatantly OP) who would have the most screentime in the fight would legitimately be Rath. Purely because Rath’s species is entirely devoted to fighting. I’m also like… 80% convinced that Rath would somehow get ki manipulation out of spite alone.
But like if you wanted transformations who could probably beat Goku (or Saiyans in general) Clockwork, Atomix, The Worst…? But that is extremely situational. And Rath. Maybe. Rath would definitely get a power up of some kind fighting Goku, whether that be knowledge of martial arts or ki manipulation
Nobody else stands a chance besides Alien X, honestly. Ben would accidentaly get himself killed by trying to play around and go through his weaker aliens lol
@@Will-mk5pj Oh god I forgot about The Worst that'd be hilarious.
@@Brookypirez He’s not a complete idiot, he just acts that way until he realizes he needs to get serious. But he would get his ass kicked in a few transformations before getting serious
@@Brookypirezthe Omnitrix has a failsafe that prevents the user from dying
While I agree with all your points I would say Ben has some aliens which can defeat Goku without Alien X which are Clockwork ( his time powers are better than hit), ghost freak/ whampire's possesion ability, pixie dust( to make him sleep) and Toepick( he just have to show his face to complete make it's opponents brain dead by making them scared)
no need Alien X to beat Goku, i think just clockwwork is enough with his time power
Goku resisted time abilities before but whatever.
@@isaacbell5156 Dragon Ball Character are still bound by Time and hit doesn't Control Time Clockwork is Leagues above Hit we literally see Whis Reverse Time, Trunks creates Different Timeline by Time Travelling creating a 2nd Zeno so Yeah Clockwork wins
@ClashMasterStudios Dragon ball characters are not bounded by time and hell Jiren's power stated to trescends time. Zeno literally destroyed future trunks timeline casually but he still existed when there is no time in it.
@@isaacbell5156 you do realize that as long as your stronger than a Character in DB you can Overpower their Hax because of Ki you sound like 1 of those people who think Super Goku is Outerversal
@ClashMasterStudios Debunking your arguements counts me as goku wanker alright gotcha. Do you also know that ki in dragon ball overcomes your physical 3rd dimension body limits. like for instance Super buu and gotenks with thier scream makes a hole to space-time. Buuhan is going to destroy the living universe which is stated to be infinte and the fabric of spacetime with his tantrums. Goku destroy hit's pocket dimensions and etc. this is a 4D feat lowball.
I couldn’t agree more with this video’s outcome.
Although i disagree that Alien X could physically overpower Goku and especially post DBS Goku i do think he can just not fight and straight up erase Goku from existence.
The creators of ben 10 stated that atomic x is significantly weaker than alien x
sorry not you
There are some aliens that beat goku I think feedback or chromostone would hard diff Goku feedback more so. Ghost freak could mabye possess him. Obviously alien X. Goop.
Why chromastone and feedback?
@@soothinggazebecause they can absorb kamehamea ki blast and more but his punches not thats too much strong for them
@ feed back is a super solder like captain America and chromostone can fly and is more durable but the power that they have in common is that they can absorb and redirect energy with no limit to how much they can absorb. Like the androids but they can double it and shoot it back out. Feed back is better at it tho
@@DEMOMLORD7 yeah that’s what I was thinking too, plus if vilgax can shatter chromastone I’d say goku can do the too, but realistically goku probably wouldn’t go that far
@@soothinggazeChromastone has a feat from ledgerdomain if I’m correct. And feedback absorbed a 5d bomb
Fact that someone told: alien x’s body is an avatar
Every db character is bound by time . When future trunks time travels and creates a new timeline that can create a new zeno , whis , beerus . All of them are bound by the timeline . Alien x negs them with hax .
Alien x are born too so they have a beginning hence they would be bound by time too
@@ShahNawaz-uj9gy That would make sense if not for the fact that we literally see them being born in a place with no time
True, but the forge of creation exist outside the universe. So basically they can do whatever they want to do.
@@gammaf1365 they make decisions in time if we say forg of creation doesn't have time being "born" there wouldn't make any sense + agregor was going to absorb baby alien x so they can be defeated and them growing up would require them to actualize into something us which yet again shows time boundnes they aren't even omnipotent as most Ben 10 fans suggest since they have a whole species
@@Paul-yr9vk biggest alien x feat is universal level I haven't seen him do more than that and laws of db universe are different from Ben's universe so alien x being able to do anything would be a hard statement to make since with enough ki db characters can resist shenron's wishes
Alien x is basically the x
Zeno of the ben 10 universe lol 😂😂
Idk it really depends on how much goku begs ben to use alien x for it to go that far otherwise i think ben wold come out thinking Goku's a fighting nut but a cool guy who knows how to eat and goku finding ben to be a fairly strategic sparing partner
I Strongly agree man
Alien X easily beats Goku+verse
Feedback and Ultimate Waybig is a good match against goku,feedback can absorb all of goku's power,ultimate waybig can match with his power
While it probably wouldn't make a difference I think it's important to note that the Omnitrix not only would turn Ben into a prime Saiyan, but actually "bend reality" while doing so, because it takes a lot of liberties to make Ben the prime version. As an example in Omniverse Ben as Four Arms was able to defeat the Princess Looma, who as far as we know is the strongest Tetramand. This is really insane as female Tetramands are a lot stronger than male ones and Ben's age affects his aliens. To put this into human perspective just imagine a 16 year old girl stepping into the ring with Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or whoever you consider humanities strongest fighter during their prime and the girl not only winning but it being basically a stomp. Like what ever kind of juice the Omnitrix gives Ben and his aliens must be insane.
From what I understand, Saiyan Ben would be what the peak Saiyan can attain. UI is a technique one can learn, Human, Namekian, its not strictly for Saiyans. Same can be said with Super Saiyan God. So peak saiyan would probably closely resemble Ssj3 or 4 at least that was depicted in 5YL
Great goku and ailen x thumbnail 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.
thankyou ! the artist is incredibly talented
guys please correct me if im wrong but aren't angels a race too? , I'm not counting gods of destruction since they're all different but angels, are all the same, share the same characteristics. so can ben do it or not? please tell me
Thumbnail is badass
@sumollama1 did an amazing job
The omnitrix does take outliers sich as broly into account, thats kinda the existence of wildvine, wildmut, fourarms, theyre outliers in their species for various reasons, so super broly is the prime example of a saiyan in dragon ball, with one stipulation, ben doesnt have the rage broly does, he's way more controlled, but it would likely be broly, theres also the omnitrix and ben being smart enough and capable enough too train a dna sample ie kickenhawk, so at very least super broly is the base and can go further, which is terrible for dragon ball, it took a SS blue fusion too take him down once, now they have too fight a controlled version of that with greater potential, no one except goku would want too fight that, and thats the good outcome for a dragon ball scan, imagine if he scanned Buu, the prime example of Buu's species is kid buu, and its kid buu with amps from ben, he can take hit's dna and get his entire kit minus the assassin training, he can scan frieza and get gold frieza (given the omnitrix takes into account training, kickenhawk), and then theres jiren, who is the peak of his species with no alt forms, he's just like that, the scan function is wild for ben, it can scan anything for ben within limits, the omnitrix just wins fights like this, kinda confused on why people always puts ben against non-human fighters expecting ben too lose.
Ben 10 is Hyperversal with Alien X being 26D with statements that can be interpreted as him being Outerversal but not much at all if ibh. Goku is casually Complex Multiversal and non canon incarnations are Hyperversal.
Hope that clears things up. Info can be given if asked
Hey, I actually wanted to know something if you're able to answer it of course. How do you truly scale goku? I've seen so many people (big ones, official divine and drip_sause mainly) I hear some say he's boundless already in anime and in manga, and say he's infinite layers into boundless in heros, I just wanted to know how do you truely scale him since I'd see him as mulitversal and stuff.
@@axia6372Goku is complex multiversal at best
The guys who says Goku is boundless are just meat suckers of goku
i think middletrack scaled Goku to high outer and he was outer when clashing with Beerus, he explains better so you can go to his videos to see what I mean.
@@ẞūmïhíkœ Outerversal Goku is only up for debate due to a old translation that can be interpreted as just above the time and space of the mortal realm and can be disproven by in anime statements saying the time is different in OtherWorld.
The other is with the WOV which is more concrete but again only has one translation
@@DJBurns-jq8mn yeah I know, but you are respectful so thanks for that
Imagine if ben10 scans goku and becomes a legendary ssj4 or smth
Fyi Bens Cronosapian form can stop time and or take or give time. Meaning Ben just turns into a Cronosapian and nake Goku a baby, or too old to fight or just freeze time and punch Goku so many times that it would just onock him out.
Oh and before people say Goku beat time manipulation before he hasnt they explained Hit doesnt control time he moves through it at a faster rate.
Actually I think there is no need to get a heavyhitter involved, it'd be as simple as choosing a intangible alien like ghostfreak, how can goku hit it? I can only imanine him beating ghostfreak if he is fast enought to attack before he goes intangible
Can someone please explain to me why everytime theres someone powerful we always pin them against goku
Cuz of fangays who think goku solo fiction when even hulk is more than enough to beat him until ssj blue
Cause at this point, Goku is just getting bullied. It’s funny though. I’m just seeing him squirm.
Because DB is a very strong verse that also shows how strong it is from the start.
Simple observation and logic dictates that if they are planet busters even during the end of DB then at the end of Z or super they are boonkers strong so Goku is an easy way for casuals to get how busted his opponent is.
Because he’s like the superman of anime.
With dragon ball daima i think zeno is only able to specifically destroy because in daima we now know someone else was the one who created the universes of dragon ball so in that aspect alien x is able to both create and destroy while zeno can only destroy which makes alien x higher
thanks for making this video and I see you do it to try and be respectful and be accurate without trying to be unfair with the two characters, so thanks for doing it ok, don't see it as a critic, just a comliment because I agree with you in your point of view and debate for now ok, have a nice day and merry christmas and take care
Make a video on "Green Lantern vs Ben 10 Death Battle"
You should do Ben 10 vs Jaden Yuki from Yugioh GX! I’m animating that one currently, and I’d love to have some more people talking about the debate
Although alien x would win if goku just speed blitzs he wins (edit also im talking about before he activates alien x of course)
Oh god I didn’t think about that!
Failsafe feature if you try to speedblitz it won't work the fail safe literally safed ben from a big bang explosion i think because it's been so long since i watched it
How is goku going to beat clockwork
Watch universe 6 tournament
@nameless09ko actually no Goku needed kaioken to beat hit and that only helps so much cause he can only go up to a sixth into the future or past while clockwork can go as much as he wants, and Goku was struggling with that no one seems to remember this he had the limitations he wasn’t this. Oh he can time travel for whatever he can go only up to one in time while clockwork can go all the way up to as much as he wants.
Easy. He'd just blast him faster than Clockwork can react.
you know Clockwork controls time on a multiversal scale. he literally reversed a coie level event. and there's Toepick
@@rozonmcdonald8750you really think goku hasn’t improved himself since then? Seriously ? He only could go times ten kioken by universe 6 tournament. By TOP he could go TEN TIMES THAT! He’s definitely folding clockwork out of existence
Ben could just scan Goku, become the prime version of a saiyan which is what broly is and wipe him out
I do not get the reality warpers argument always being used, ever since the Saiyan saga it was made clear wishes that warp reality has no effect on the characters as long as their power is superior, and even if they are superior, for example, Janemba or Buu the most they are able to do is either change their form while they keep the strength, and power or just make a copy of them.
If you want AlienX to win just have Ben form an army of AlienX or force the fight into space. The Kai’s used to be the creators of the universe, who live in a realm that are beyond/without time, and realms/dimensions. With the weakest Kai’s creating, and manipulating a realm the size of the mortal realm just for racing.
From what I can tell creating things out of nothing, and manipulating reality were always viewed as nothing in the DB franchise, just look at Arale, and Popo who could just create a self-movement copy of Goku with just a piece of hair.
You know i headcanon that goku and alien x are on match and they can't beat each other
Okay, then try Ben 10 vs Augustus featherine aurora ☺️
Your character vs dc Lucifer
@Ajk-ps7od it's not mine my character, tho it defeats him.
Hmmm, i really want to see if chromastone can do anything to effect the ki in goku,
He can absorb mana like what gwen shot at himm in the dagon ark, and mana is more connected to life than ki
I'm pretty sure he can absorb any type of energy I am going to check
Energy Absorption - Chromastone can be a conduit for various types of energy, such as lasers, electricity, radiation, magic, and much more. This is what Google said
He'd die if he absorbs anything from Goku. Just like he does against Charmcaster in that one UA episode.
Cap but okay
People always overrate Goku and say hes 4d or 5D.. DO Y'ALL EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DIMENSIONS YOU LITTLE ######
Just don't let goku punch the Omnitrix on the chest but in the end Goku will stop when he is satisfied and he will recognize that ben is a good guy so he will ask him to ear something together
I don't think that omnitrix on chest can be broken, cuz if that was true omnitrix would be destroyed when he fought celestialsapien. Probably even when annihilargh would do same and destroy omnitrix even if he is in alien x so its basically not true that omnitrix can be broken
@Zabilyakakzovyt well who knows we have seen many times the watch getting broken and having problems in the series
@@zulasxeno yea we will see in future prob explanation
If Ben scanned Goku he would become Bardock not Broly because Broly is a mutant but I do think with the LifeLock or master control function providing the transformation with near Infinite Energy yeah he'd be stronger than Goku. In Dragon Ball it's 80% ki 20% technique. Ben is a martial artist who's fought a wider variety of opponents than Goku. That martial arts training would do him wonders in a Saiyan body and even though it's inconsistent on whether or not the Omnitrix will download information of the species into his mind I feel like the human and Saiyan bodies are similar enough for him to not have a problem bringing out its maximum potential unlike Ginyu. Besides that I don't even think Ben would need Alien X not when Clockwork exists.
Goku is NOT beating the guy who literally HELD THE BIG BANG
This is irrelevate, they are from different universes, storylines, and different writers so every discussion of this is irrelevate
Defeats the purpose of discussing characters frim fiction, heck even real life or anything
Yeah, anyone who takes this power scaling nonsense seriously to the point where their main source of self esteem comes from the fact that they think their favourite fictional character can beat someone else's should just go outside.
@@dave2051you guys literally clicked on a simple discussion video.
You guys must be fun at party's
Guys no need to argue because it's the hand on writer if writer wants be can give goku alien x like form or if writer wants he can give ben a stronger alien
I agree that Ben wins but your argument was basically just "Alien X can do anything, he can warp reality so he wins"
i don't even think alien x is even necessary to fight goku i mean clockwork is enough the dude can negate a bomb that can destroy multiverse and the entire timeline so i don't see hoe goku can brute force his way out of that fight not to mention that tho physically clockwork is slow af but he has the ability to stop or slowdown time and move thru it bending the time and space itsel
what about god fusion goku from the 4d movie or jump force goku
Any non cannon versions don’t count
@Mario-s5z3o they official so they do count
@@dsm2417 😂😂😂😂 Prove it
Yooo
With “I like all 4 Ben series”
Do u mean including the reboot? Or up tail Omni verse
he's not including the reboot (i assume) since that would be 5 series (Classic, AF, UA, OV and reboot)
4 series are the og series they show us prime ben in these series he mean classic-omniverse
ben 10,000 would neg dif in the end
Broly doesn't seem like a mutantion more like a thing of legend like chromastone, i think thats how his name is written, is to diamond head, so Peak sayan = Broly level potential or higher + Goku's love for fighting so he doesn't end the fight immediatly = Goku is done for
Goku is above dimentionality and trancends time and space, none of aliex x hax will affect goku in any way, goku negs.
Also if ben was to somehow lose and die, the omnitrix failsafe would just activate
Clearly not if he’s lost before….
@@SPEEDFORCE99LOST, not died. Plus, he always holds back.
The truth is when we go over cosmology and dimensionality alien x physically stomps goku like really bad
What about the scene when a future version of Ben got destroyed by the bomb that destroyed a universe timeline going after a lot versions of Ben he was in his alien x from fuse with a other alien and he still got erased with alien x
Ok but the real question is… could Sonic Beat Ben 10?
No not even archie idk?
@@kurthenrypaguntalan5078 well aye it’s just…. I’ve always wanted to see how a fight between Alien X and Super Sonic would go down.
@@kurthenrypaguntalan5078 Archie is outer alien x wanked is hyper
No
Absolutely not lmao
Its simple really alien x outhaxes and overpowers in general
i imagine zeno and alien x are on par its just zeno doesnt need to think as hard or side with the 2 other personalities, zeno has way more experience and time spent as a god even if its close as the beings they are i think hes still a bit ahead just from the mental side of things (no reason ben cant scan him though lol)
don't forget, ben doesn't have to check in with the other parts anymore. they gave him full control. i do agree lack of experience would still put zeno on top
@oddfox9119 You do Understand the meaning of Full Control of Alien X Right
@ClashMasterStudios yeah i was more referring to earlier on, also every big thing hes one has been with bellecus and serenas help we havent seen him do anything major with just his control
@@oddfox9119 Omniverse Ben vs a CelestialSapiens he was in Control Completey & and when he was Manipulating Kevin and the other kids Body he's in Control hopefully we gain a ew Series to show what else he can do in all his Aliens
not really. Zenoh can only erase things. He cant create, he cant ajust his eyes to see fast opponents, he is not phychically strong etc etc.
Ya know I was coming into this video thinking it was gonna be another inaccurate telling of how they would handle the situation as ben and how they interpret the Omnitrix abilities working, but you actually spoke logical and accurate facts in this video because the Omnitrix uses the prime or peak version of the species as in what is a natural peak of the alein is not the exact aliens or unnatural levels other aliens of that race reached by other means, only time it has been the exact alein is Ghostfreak and that's because of his special anatomy and overall make up, and Goku knowing it's a young dudedor knowing he can't win would accept it and be excited to do it again at some other point in time then they'd probably go eat with Goku almost eating them out of house and home , then Ben and him would have already had or will have a conversation about him getting back home ben as alein X will likely help him with that and it'll likely be over.
i thought he said he will go over the manga version of goku to right? so does that mean that goku delete alien x wiht haki?
Hakai is just a weaker Chronosapien Time Bomb. Beerus stated Hakaing Zamasu would erase him across all Timelines, sorta like Time Bomb but because of the Time Ring shinanigans it didnt work in Trunks Timeline.
Ben becoming Alien X made him completely immune to all Time, Space and Reality erasure from the Time Bomb, so Hakai wouldnt affect him period.
I actually have a question about Ben’s becoming the prime version of a species. Does it mean, prime in terms of strength, speed, natural selection(sexual selection) or cultural beliefs?
The strongest four arm alien got beaten by Ben's Four Arms. So yeah. He literally becomes the strongest version of that alien.
he would be an elite saiyan at best or saoyan from universe 6. No god ki, no instant super saiyan, no ki control, zero training unless he does so.
Ben had years practicing and mastering four arms, i can tell you millions of reasons why a saiyan from dragon ball with ki control and all is far more complex than a fkcing tetraman that only punches
@@dsm2417 he only use forearms for around a year because then he had to switch out for other aliens and then forearms came back in ultimate alien and that wasn’t even for a year because Ben was only 17 in Omniverse and Ben in ultimate alien was either 17 or 16 so it’s probably hasn’t even been a year for that either and most a year so that’s not even an excuse
@@dsm2417 and he gave up the watch before he probably even turned. I don’t know 12 or 11.
Ben 10 would crush Goku he has aliens who can control time and bend reality to their will
Ben wouldn't erase goku we would beat him because ben doesnt kill
Yeaaa now that I think about it. Goku coild just blitz him before he activated alien x or any form. He’s faster than Ben since he’s human by way too much. Low diff
Well... He can't. There's a feature that stops Ben from dying and it would give him enough time to transform, then Alien X blah blah Goku dies. Low diff.
Also base HUMAN Ben is faster than light by a lot (he is the same speed as Goku) Ben is just built different.
Bro what do you mean broly is a prime saiyan hes the only saiyan in universe 7 to achieve that form
No cap u really think he can b equally to Beerus but still can't beat whiz alr and they are powerfull really really powerful but Ben in ALIAN-X is a being that can forge and he casually destroys universes like it's child's play now tell me who will win an omniviant being or a alian that is superpoweful and is able to destroys planets at his full potential and can multiple his power 50x that powerful but compared to alian-x he is nothing and I'm not even a Ben 10 fan alr and I like anime especially dragon ball z so tell me who will win
You should make a vídeo about Why does Ben uses Brawn over brainw
I think Goku stops at Echo Echo, he can duplicate and turn into multiple bens who can turn into XLR8 & Big Chill which means he moves faster and can freeze him
@@TheReZisTLust That’s lowballing goku but ok
bro first of all Goku blitzes and one shots any of them, second that strat was ass for ben and they almost lost w a guy not even town level. Single ben is leagues better, and Goku still wins
@@dsm2417one shots? Omnitrix even saved ben from a big bang even he could kill him only his alien form or human form will be gone and omnitrix will give him the alien which he needs just watch the fcking show
@@dsm2417 Goku’s only around 33,000 times faster than the speed of light on average. We actually seen most aliens that are typically slow going a lot faster than light even grandpa Max casually blocking light beams so when the Ben 10 universe, Goku and speed isn’t really that special.
@rozonmcdonald8750 goku is only 38000 times the speed of light? He is way faster. In early dbz, raditz with a power lvl of 1000 could dodge piccolos special beam cannon which was light speed. Near the end of the frieza saga he had a power lvl of like 150 mio. In battle of gods, their clashes were felt across the universe (which has multiple smaller universes in them and also being infinite). Goku was able to dodge attacks which traversed the universe instantly.
Goku beats ben before he even touches his watch! 😈
spoilers for the show "Ben 10: Omniverse":
The Official Completed Omnitrix has a failsafe that kicks in the event that the user's life is in jeopardy. This feature turns them into the needed alien to survive. The failsafe once reacted to a Big Bang exploding right in front of Ben's face and the Omnitrix then turned Ben into the right alien to prevent him from dying. So if Goku tried to speedblitz Ben, the Omnitrix's failsafe would activate and then turn Ben into the right alien for protection.
Goku is a bundles character he would put alien x in a box and send him there where he comes from !
No..
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Even if Ben 10 did copy his Dna he wouldn't have kaioken, god ki, nor godly techniques, he'd be peak saiyan, but not A Martial artist nor a student of an Angel he might be able to go 1 - 3 super saiyan but the strain Is always accountable
He wouldn't be able to do it with ease.
The moment Ben Hits Alien x is the one moment where goku Always loses to a God.
Nice video, although some of the information u had was incorrect, you were right about a lot, I'd like to elaborate more on this but that would mean I'd be typing for a long time, so long story short-Dragon ball is an anime and animes are very violent and have characters who appear quite powerful cause of the way fights are animated, Ben 10 is for kids so yes it is violent but not like anime and unlike anime where u can get a bunch of info from each episode, ben 10 isn't so, if u want detailed info on ben 10, head to the ben 10 wiki, you'll see how strong the aliens are despite appearing weak in the show, e.g fourarms has been confirmed to be able to lift up to 42 waybigs stacked on top of each other, atomix can beat Goku but explaining that would take long, waybig can also beat Goku but again explaining would take long as u can see this comment is already quite long, anyway bye, keep making videos my fellow human, it's hero time!
Tal vez Ben 10 de Omniverse pueda derrotar al Goku clásicos y Z pero desde super es bastante obvio que ni siquiera Ben usando a alien X podrá derrotar a goku super saiyan blue
Which Goku are you referring to if it's Dragon Ball super Goku then it's a good fight but I think Goku would win, if it's Xeno Goku then Goku definitely wins and if it's GT Goku then Goku definitely wins, the Broly thing you said it doesn't make sense the actual reason why Ben wouldn't turn into a Broly like character is because Broly has been training his entire life and Ben's aliens are usually the peak genetically and not the peak physically and are also only Peak for 16 year old Ben so even if it was for Peak physically it would only be a 16-year-old genetic and physical peak of a Saiyan. Also Alien X has been shown to have a weakness against multiversal wiping attacks in the episode 200 special "and then there were none" it was showing that atomix X could be wiped away by the time bomb that destroyed the entire Multiverse, Goku has already been shown multiversal feats so it's totally possible that if you're writing them in character Goku can win, he has enough damage to he has more than enough speed to and Ben doesn't usually kill his enemies in the first place while Goku has killed his enemies before.
I'm a huge Ben 10 fan by the way, but other series Gokus are just not losing to Ben, a good example is GT's 100 Year Goku special, this guy is so strong he can bring the dead back to life can teleport throughout the afterlife is back at his original body after the Ultimate Dragon who can grant literally any wish forced him to stay a child forever I can do all of this and even be summoned with only one Dragon Ball.
@@omariwashington2570 Dbs goku is far stronger than Gt 100 years
Bryh thumbnail speaks for itself goku mollywaps, causally outerversal, dont ask me how, jus go watch drip sauce 🤷🏾 shows real factual scans and evidence to prove so
People saying Ben needs Alien X but they are for getting there is a Alien called Clockwork and no even if Goku tries to perform the move he used against Hit it won't work that guy can control time on Multiverse level heck there is freaking damn entire Arc about it that guy is broken and if he has Ultimatrix that's the moment it is finished if Goku even punches Ben he is going get absolutely dog watered. Many people forget but that Omnitrix takes a DNA of alien and makes it reach its highest potential possible for a species that's why a alien can never hope to beat Ben on one on one and Ultimatrix just puts that DNA into literal hell for it to evolve and upgrade its potential [A broken race like Saiyan gets even more broken] and if the watch scans Broly that's the end of DB no question asked
The idea of prime sayian dosen't relate to strangth though in the way you think. And you really just have to look at goku to prove it.
Genetically, he's bang avarge all his power is within the relm for any sayin if the put in the work.
Vegeta had better gens at the start, but regardless, nothing says they are perfect.
with that out of the way, the idea of prime sayian is that they would give him the maximum potential a sayian could possibly reach with there Genetics perfected.as soon as he transformed
To show this you have to look at a few spesific aliens of bens namely these 4
.kickin hawk bullfrag four arms and dimond head
Kicking hawk and bullfrag are pretty self exsplanitory bens transformation is easily shown to be above the natural aliens to the point he is physically distinct."incursions are an arms so you couldn't possibly say they dont train.
Fourarms directly out strangths his spices princess/queen when hes at a getic disadvantage
Males are canonically weaker for there spices but when trading a single puch she gets sent flying he dosen't.
And lastly dimond head is abke to stall vilgax pretty consistently when tetrax couldn't ever and he actively had a reason to take vilgax out.
The idea for ben scaning goku would be it would be whatever gokus top potential + some is wher ben should be at strangth wise
- ui since that relise on technique
Ssj -3 is debatable as ben is supposed to get a brain dump of his transformations abilities
God - blue is debatable as you could make a case god ki becomes a genetic component with goku black regenerating and stating hes changing the cells in gokus body till he gained rose.
The idea for him becoming broly is split a few ways but mainly these 3
If ben uses the ultimatrix to do the scan he becomes a pure genetic clone this is brought up in the show itself its a glitch.
2 if ben uses the regular watch to scan broly theres no reason it wouldn't give him a similar sayian potential body
But if not
3 some people want to say broly woud essentially be what an ultimate sayian would be so it wouldn't matter who he scans at all the feature would give him a broly like transformation
Goku fans be like " Goku can't die Goku can't be erased goku can defeat alien x so easily"
Meanwhile literally alien x: *yawn*
He.. he can’t be. He outscales physically by having higher dimensional scaling that Ben lacks, and has survived Hakai (Existence Erasure) for several minutes in base, and he was offguard. Ben outhaxes, sure, but he still lacks a genuine definitive wincon.
@romanratliff8818 the genuine wincon is literally alien x
@@Masterchris-tt5tz please reread my comment you nimrod
@@romanratliff8818 alien x
@@romanratliff8818let the ban 10 fanboys indulge in their delusions
Have you not watched battle of gods? I don't think you watched it. 5:41
Irrelevant ......everything goku did there .....alien x can do better
@@ayushmanchatterjee8721He really never did in a physical battle...Like ever.
@@Brookypirezhe did pick up a big bang and tossed at someone with physical power.
Alao he did recreate a universe by thinking. That is surely more inpresive then punching hard enough to almost destroy it.
@@raeldrews1187 Cool but that was Feedback with his absorption powers, not Alien X.
Alien X never displayed a physical feat on Goku's level, it's all hax and abilities.
@Brookypirez my man. First alien x can do anything any other of the aliens can.
Second he has the power to create and destroy much more the a universe with tough. Making himself stronger is not hard.
Third physical abilities mean shit when your opponent can blink you out of existence.
Goku has no resistence against reality warpers. Also we have feats that put clockwork capable of undoing what zeno does. Its a strach but it is very posible.
Do you think if Ben used Ghostfreak he’d be able to posses Goku? I haven’t seen any Dragon Ball but part of me think he would be able to and another part of me is thinking Goku would be able to resist the possession somehow.
Goku would be able to resist but on eventually he might worn out goku
no Babidi has body mind and soul possesion yet vegeta broke it, Goku would just counter it w his will and power
@@ohhellwhereami2574 nah
@@dsm2417because babidi uses magic to control people Ghost freak has baby type possessions but yea with enough will he resist the possession
Vegeta only lost to baby due to plot
Love both characters but Ben 10’s hax would most likely have him winning
If Goku is stronger than alien x then his hax wont work on him, Goku is also far faster and cosmologically bigger which he scales to
No.. Also Goku isn't faster..
@@dsm2417 Ben 10’s cosmology is bigger than dragon ball’s cosmology
HE NOT BEATIN GOKU!!??
Don't forget the omne trexs but the aline at ats strongst for ever
3:16 in namek
Ginyu thought goku was a mutant when assuming he had a powerlevel of 60k
Meaning even that is considered unnatural for a saiyan so ben's saiyan form would likely cap at 50k
Update: for the full implications of what this means for ben is if he scanned a saiyan the only form he would have is great ape/oozaru(he might get ikari but we still dont know if thats a broly exclusive or something any saiyan can get)since super saiyan 1,2,3,4,god,blue,blue evolved,perfected blue have power level requirements
Finnally someone said it
the reason why scanning goku wont work because primis does not have goku DNA
Counter point, Nanomech since it literally wasn’t a species or created until a scientist made them so primis couldn’t have the dna
Ben can scan him doesn't matter if gokus dna isn't apart of primus
@AlfiePoole if ben have goku dna he still lost because goku is more experience and ben is not unlocking super saiyan without training
I don’t I don’t disagree with the outcome of this video I do have when complaints, I do feel like ben 10, can be like a Broly typing Saiyan but maybe in his ultimate form he’ll unlock legendary super Saiyan just because in the actual show it is stated that the legendary super Saiyan is a evil Saiyan so biologically speaking… he should be able to transform into a legendary super Saiyan if he was to go in to an ultimate Saiyan.
Bro of course he's not , ben 10 can just copy Goku DNA and become a Super Saiyan
Not how it works
Ben would need a trigger to become a super Saiyan
He literally addressed this in the video. It would not work out well.
Doesnt mean shi if he cannot control it and it would be an elite saiyan like saiyan saga vegeta not broly
@@RackerTheRascalMashup actually the more kind hearted the sayian is the easier it is to transform just look at golden and trunks. It was actually pretty easy for them to transform wasn’t it so a good hearted person like Ben will be able to transform almost immediately and it also dumps the information into his mind so he knows how to do it
@@dsm2417 it makes him into the prime or strongest of the species. It takes away any of the weaknesses and he can also just go ultimate which is 1 million years into the future of evolution so I can also just beat them because the last time I checked, Goku is only 46
Ben can’t erase goku from existence since he has resisted existence erasure before of guard, and and goku has fought and beaten, reality warpers before. Like Janemba, hit that can skip through time and jiren who transcends time get your facts straight.
Surviving a hakai from arguably the weakest GoD does not equal to surviving erasure from a being who can do it by a single thought. Unless ur saying goku can somehow withstand zeno’s erasure which has never been shown
Goku was getting dogged that fight against janemba and he could only predict where janemba was going, not actually interact with tht space. Same case with hit with his fight against goku and jiren
“Jiren transends time” when he only broke out of a space where HIS time is frozen doesn’t mean he transends it. At best it means jiren can out power hit’s time skip if used on him but not that he has the ability to bend, break and transcend the concept of time itself. At best clockwork’s ability to manipulate time is comparable to whis reverting the time of earth’s destruction from frieza in RoF.
Yeah only x would be able to best goku
And Clockwork i'm afraid, maybe a few others if i really looked into it
@@alexalvesferreira Goku blitzes all
A prime sayain lowkey King Vegeta or Sayain saga
id say ss4 is the best ben could get with trining god requried a ritual the rest are just if a sayin has the abilty to then train to it.