for me Yes, being the peak of the species it could definitely have them and the Viltrumites probably grow mustaches for a cultural reason, I would expect the omnitrix to copy this factor
Yea, at that point it isn't about whether it'd be effective against Omniman, the question is: what's his fear response? Fight, flight, freeze? There's a very real possibility that Nolan's response to being scared is throwing a devastating punch at whatever's scaring him
@eriks1765 well considering when Psyphon faced Toepick, He immediately coward in fear and begged for mercy. So I think Toepick doesn't use the traditional fight or flight response. I think when you see his face you will see the things you are truly afraid of something akin to maybe facing Trauma or a an anxiety attack on steroids. But that's my theory And mind you Psyphon used to work for Vilgax loyally he loved his job and Vilgax is considered the universe's worst criminal and considering he was also warlord Psyphon must have seen gruesome things plus Psyphon is no slouch himself in a real fight he almost killed Ben
Remember, Gutrot was able to make a gass pheromones to attract Mutant To'kustar despite them not reproducing that way and Ben knowing nothing about chemicals or the biology. He 100% can make something that affects Viltrumites
@@anidiot192 yeah he even has every gas in the universe memorized and writers have said he can recreate any fictional material as gas after seeing it once
I personally think Pesky Dust would be a good counter for post-Season 2 Nolan. Trapping him within a dream/nightmare until he's psychologically conditioned to no longer want to fight
You know I can even see Ben using Alien X against Omni Man (similar to what he did against the Rooters) to just prove Nolan that viltrumite’s aren’t really all that and maybe even give him the same threatening speech he gave to the Forever Knights in Ultimate Alien
Ben to Driscoll "Maybe you've forgotten something .I'm Ben Tennyson ,wielder of the most powerful weapon in the universe ,I stopped the Highbreed invasion ,I defeated Vilgax in hand to hand combat and I've beaten the Forever Knights more times than i can count .Here's whats going to happen ,You're going to release these prisoners ,you're going to crawl back to wherever you came from and you will stop hunting down aliens ,because if you don't I promise you will regret it for the rest of your -very-short-lives ".
I definitely feel like the DNA scan thing is the most narratively plausible way for this fight to end. Perhaps it could even be combined with the failsafe, like Omni-Man gets his hands on Ben, only for Ben suddenly get way stronger than him in a flash of light. Also, I think it’d be cool if Ben’s Viltrumite form got clothes similar to “Ultra Ben” from the dream episode of the original series. That’s kinda how I imagined his Kryptonian form would look already, but I could see it being used here as well.
2:20 it’s definitely waybig Him not having fully charged beam was able to dwarf and push back the conquest ray which is a planet busting super weapon his cosmic beams are just that strong
Yeah I don't think that was done in the canon just a cool effect for the series because I highly doubt War Woman and Immortal his with the same force as a Black Hole. Or his flight is more anti grav so he has more resistance.
The Conquest Ray was stated to be able to destroy Earth, and It also destroyed Pluto in the past. Furthermore the laser beam is massively faster than light for being able to destroy Pluto in moments from very far away. So this is also a speed feat for Way Big.
4:43 The Omnitrix transforms Ben into the BEST representative of the species he scanned. That is, he will be STRONGER than Nolan and, in principle, will be equal in strength to the strongest version of Veltrumite
Ben would still get beat since he turns into the prime equivalent of a Viltrumite his AGE. It would be more fair to see Mark vs Ben's Viltrumite form versus Omni-Man.
@phantomgamer9264 Thats actually true he would only be as strong as Mark at the start of invincible even tho 90% of the time he fought other aliens using their transformations he somehow wins. Anyways he'll probably realize the alien is a bum and turn into the worst or something lmao
@@phantomgamer9264 fair point but we have to remember that a Viltrumite's Age doesn't inherently increase their strength. Which would likely be on par with Noland. But that's if Ben decides to go this route.
@Eggwastaken969 Well, age has effect on strength, the second strongest known so far is conquests if he's trying to kill instead of playing around he'd be unstoppable
@@soubermed2175 yea that's a common misconception around Viltrumite's their age doesn't increase their strength. The older Viltrumite's have simply more time to train.
Not to mention that a viltrumites organs aren’t as strong as their skin, since in the comics robot killed mark with a sound grenade that he ate and imploded from the inside, so Ben can just go Bigchill and phase through Nolan and freeze his organs, since Bigchill can also turn invisible while even in his intangibility state
Big chill and Ghost freak doesn't even need to hit really hard, with the way they work. Smart atoms wont do anything when they are completely frozen. Ghost freak has no issues having parts of himself be tangible so Omnimans brain is getting mashed. As for NRG's suit, would they even dent it?
If u remember, we'll bigchill aliens are weak against sound from ultimate echo, knocking down 3 of them with just one disk each (if nolan clap his hands, he could disturb them enough to catch them off guard)
@@soubermed2175 Would Nolan think to do that. And Ultimate Echo Echo's sonic blasts were really powerful remember they could contain a nuclear blast. But that could work provided Ben didn't go for the kill first.
@langadube9611 it took 4 disks to contain a nuclear bomb, while it took one of them to straight up knocking them out, so I would say one clap is enough to affect them to be tangible again (speed blitz, go through their chests)
DNA scanner, Viltrumite DNA transformation. Let's not forget about the Omnitrix security system to stop Ben from dying. Who mind you managed to survive the BIG BANG of the Universe, Viltrumites can barely survive on the Suns surface
1:49 Chronastone or Feedback would Literally eat it, Diamondhead would be fine, as would Humungosaur I’m fairly certain and I’ve yet to see anything actually hurt Rath save for his need to breathe - and he jumped through the vacuum of space to board another ship, so he’s unaffected by the pressure differential.
That's the kind of VS battles I like. Not powerscaling based on feats that writers didn't think about, but stating abilities and thinking about how fight could go. Great video!
The Laser Nolan tanked caused only a few atomic bombs of collateral damage. Waybig’s laser has overpowered Incursean beams which can instantly destroy planets. Waybig would vaporize Nolan.
@ well, as scaled against the Incursean beam, he would have the reaction time to see Nolan coming, but yeah not necessarily the agility to block the attack.
@@SomeRandomKydd He definitely has the agility to keep up the incursean beam. His version version the Flash was barely dodging Nolan's attacks. Way Big is definitely not that Flash. And before you make something up. I watch Ben 10 series too. Way Big is extremely big and strong. But his speed is average at best. There is no way he can outspeed Nolan.
@@thomaswest2583 that is what we both said. I agreed with you. He might perceive events fast enough to see Nolan coming, but he can’t move fast enough to protect himself unless very lucky.
As a power scaler even at a low ball are on the same level and or above omni-man at his highest. It's a fun match up but ben 10 is more powerful than people give him credit for even without Alien x.
Ben has the speed advantage just as Humnongasaur, he was able to completely catch ultimate agreegor off guard and blitz him(he didn’t win but he definitely was able to blitz him and smash him into the ground) The fastest feat for a viltrimite is 20 billion times FTL but Ultimate Aggregor flying to the Perplexahedron was calculated at 87 Billion X FTL and the feat was lowballed to 15 minutes and one galaxy, it only takes him about 5 minutes in-show time and probably wasn’t in andromeda.
I think Pesky dust can take him, he won't see it coming too, it looks harmless until it puts Nolan to sleep, and that gives Ben time to do something else
I like this kind of video where you talk about all the different aliens of Ben and whether they would win or lose, and how the fight would go. Rather than: A. Just using Alien X or, B. Doing too much calculations and coming up with stuff like "WayBig can destroy solar systems with his laser beams" even though that was never shown.
Ben : my watch had transform me in all my alliens before a universe destroyer cataclism left my hands Nolan : a biker had destroyed my home planet with nearly all my peoples using a device that can fit in a pocket
About Graviattack… His best feat is that he can create black holes. Nolan can escape the gravitational pull of a black hole as we see in Season 2. Meaning he’s already FTL. But we do have other viltrumite speed feats that put him into MFTL levels of speed. But hey we’ve never seen all of Ben’s aliens at their brink of power. Ben as Graviattack didn’t really struggle while creating that black hole so could be possible Ben can go beyond a normal black hole and create a supermassive black hole and instantly engulf Nolan inside of it. But that would be a loss on both sides unless Ben uses Alien X to reverse all the damage.
4:08 "how much can nolan resist a hug gravitational pull" well since you specified the show version, he is shown qhile depressed flying out of a black hole so-
Given vultrumites weakness to sound, I can see Ben Wolf getting some good use on Omniman, maybe not get a win, but definitely cripple him and the ability to fly
Correction the omnitrix doesn't transform Ben in to the strongest version an alien instead it transforms him Into the strongest version of all alien of a particular age So 16yr old Ben will become the strongest version a 16 yrold viltrumite is but with the longevity of viltrumite Ben might become more stronger
to my knowledge, it transforms them into a prime example of the species, not inherently the strongest. im thinking that lands somewhere between mark and thragg
I think Rath could put in a good amount of work on nolan. We know that his only weakness is being able to breath. Then you have other void breathers like Jet Ray who can out match him in speed and yeah the energy attacks cant do much but a long enough fight he might be able to ware him down.
Ben has the potential to win simply because Ben has no known weaknesses and Omni-man has 2, a weakness to certain sound frequencies and extreme heat. So odds are Ben can either use Echo Echo or Blitz Wolfer to adjust their sonic attacks to find a frequency to hurt Nolan. And Heatblast fire burns at supernova levels, that's hotter than the sun. There's also NRG and Swamp fire that can also produce fire and heat but the upper limits of their heat is unknown.
Ben can only stay transformed temporarily and often transforms into the wrong alien, I would consider those weaknesses.Regarding Noland's weaknesses they are not an automatic victory, they are just things that could hurt him but he can still manage to beat them if he manages to hit them before they manage to take him down with a strong enough blow (Echo Echo in particular does not have a very strong physique)
@senzanome9824 That's not entirely true. The last series in the Ben Prime timeline introduced a feature called the alien life form where he can lock himself in any alien form he wants for an extended period of time for no chance for a time out. So in theory he could lock himself in his Heatblast, Echo Echo, or Blitz Wolfer form for an extended period of time to finish the fight. Also, keep in mind invincible was created by the comic book company image comics an intense amount of heat can harm a viltrumite but enough exposure from the plasma of heat from a star and viltrumites will be killed. And Heatblast are plasma based lifeforms that not only are hotter than the sun but it's hotter than a supernova. Also, even though Echo Echo doesn't have a strong physique the omnitrix fail safe won't let him die anyway. He could easy automatically become goop, big chill or ghost freak if he gets close to dying
@ajayimoses2495 sonic defeating perfect chaos in base is a major plot point in generations and its still widely considered an outlier, outliers can be plot relevant but not count to powerscaling
Big Chill would wipe the floor with Omniman. His only offensive power is to punch things really hard. What's he going to do against something intangible? Then Big Chill could freeze him and he'd die of hypothermia. Viltrumites have never shown a strong resistance to subzero temperatures
Honesty with bens overall lower damage output plenty of bens aliens durability is high enough to survival omniman. Also gigantic feat I only recently learned. Doctor psychobos improved bens omnitrix to make it process information outside of normal time. This means the failsafe survival mode can be done instantly with no time frame that's dangerous.
Ok this is how he wins fewest aliens (and weakest aliens possible) Ben mistranforms into the worst Ben gets grabbed by Omni man like red rush but when grabbed he scannes Omni man Omni man frustrated by the fact he’s not being crushed throws him through buildings he lands Ben hears “new alien life form detected” hits the Omnitrix and transforms into a stronger viltramite
Round 1: Ben goes Fast Track and gets a close fight but results in a stalemate since neither really lands a solid hit against each other. Round 2: Ben goes for something like Rath, Kicken Hawk, or Way Big for more resilience but takes an L since he really needs the speed to win. Round 3: Has several outcomes: 3a. Scans Nolan and becomes prime Viltrumite. Then its a difficult win for Ben due to combat experience vs prime feature. 3b. Ben uses an unirthodox but hard counter pick like Swampfire or Echo Echo for the round 3 win. 3c. Hax like Alien X. Personally, I feel like clockwork would get wrecked by Nolan the moment he sees him wind up; Especially if its been after several other battles, which he wouldn't take that chance.
Omni-Man could travel from Earth to another planet in a week. The planet was located in the Virgo Super Cluster. That cluster is 65 MILLION lightyears away. 65,000,000 x 365 = 23,725,000,000 days it takes for light to reach the cluster. 23,725,000,000 ÷ 7 = *3,389,285,714.29x faster than light* . Now, Ben's speed The Perplexahedron was stated by Azmuth to be located in another galaxy. Aggregor flew to the Perplexahedron immediately after the events of the last episode, in which the protagonists fled Ledgerdomain, were contacted by Azmuth and talked to him for a little bit, and were then teleported to the Perplexahedron. So the timeframe for this is probably around 10 to 15 minutes. Distance to the nearest galaxy - 2.3651826e+22 meters Timeframe - 10 minutes 10 * 60 = 600s 2.3651826e+22 / 600 = *131,489,998,991.24x faster than light* . Since, Ultimate Kevin absorbed the powers of Ultimate Aggregor and Ultimate Echo Echo can keep up with Ultimate Kevin, and Way Big, Feedback, Atomix, and Clockwork are way above them. So, many of Ben's aliens outspeed Omni man.
Ghostfreak would absolutely control nolan but saying he can't take him out is crazy. Ben can just have Nolan gut himself, or phase a hand into his skull and just scramble his brain. Same with bigchill but worse. Phase inside the body and freeze the water in his brain or the one in his heart and have it burst.
season 2 firmly states nolan's durability as big country AT MOST. there's a scene where an alternate version of mark tells levy that his dad died to a quantum bomb that took out most of europe long story short the worst solos
If the statement of Ben 10k is to be out here, XLR8 can travel all of earths surface in 5 seconds. If he just runs to him at top speed and switched to Diamondhead. It's GGs basically.
@@steveverera9999 diamondhead might not be able to withstand the impact, we've seen Vilgax slam him into the ground hard enough to crack him as well as seeing Tetrax literally tear him apart with his bare hands
@@cyborg2254 That was when Vilgax and Tetrax grabbed him, But in alien force Vilgax basically got destroyed. And in Omniverse, Diamodnhead got so strong he didn't get damaged when Malware+Vilgax fused into Malgax and Sent him flying to the moon with 1 punch.
From what I remember, Ben would die almost instantly because the omnitrix would leave him vulnerable whilst scanning Omni man's alien dna. It ALWAYS scans alien dna and was a problem prior to omniverse. Maybe it was fixed in the omniverse continuity then...
Clockwork can turn him into dust, Echo Echo is his literal weakness, I doubt he can survive Waybigs cosmic beams, Goop in general impossible to kill plus if he gets on Omniman he can burn him with acid, Pixie Dust, Whampire just needs 1 good shot and he's under Ben's control then tell Omni man to OFF himself, Atomix can just beat him a fight with his abilities, Gravattack can hold him still underwater until he drowns or create a semi-black hole throw him into it
Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Echo Echo is not an obvious victory due to their weak body although they could have a chance. Noland resists black holes so Gravattack I don't think would be a problem. Way Big has a good chance but it's not an obvious victory because Omniman might be able to dodge his beam. Atomix would definitely be great options I agree
@@senzanome9824 Ah I didn't know this, I made my comment before watching the video to show my own thoughts before, I wasn't aware of that many Omni man's scale, guess I thought a bit narrow-minded, thanks for telling me.
@@senzanome9824 Heres the thing, if clockwork decides to, he can slow time so much so it can just look like everything is paused. Also another thing with clockworks beam that thing is comparable to Eons beam, which aged a Tokustar into dust by just hitting him with it. Omniman would die the moment he tried to tank that. And Waybig species are basically just metal giants with cosmic powers running through them. And yet they got aged into dust. Nolan doens't resist black holes, he was planning to kill himself at that moment, while he did resist the pull of it, He wasn't even close to where he would die. Gravattack can just spawn it on his skull while making him feel enough gravity to affect a time beast. Mind you to have enough gravity to do that. You need black hole gravity to begin with. To even cut down the time by half that we experience, we need 530 million times more gravity than what we feel on earth based on Time dilation equation. And he halted the time beast in its tracks. not slowed it down. I mean, Way big is fast as hell, He conjured a beam point blank from a conquest ray. basically already fired. So he basically moved his arms to block a light speed attack. And he was fast enough to create a vortex so large, it sent a trash monster into orbit. Omnimans combat speed, as much as people would like it to believe MFTL, not really. We see thragg get tagged by battle beast and a bunch of other aliens. So unless their combat speed is MFTL that doesn't make sense. And on top of this, Omniman would get pummeled the moment he tries anything.
If we include a Ben with good writing he'll just go alien to alien until Omni man can't handle wtf is happening. Example is like Omni man goes to punch ben Ben immedietly goes Grey matter to dodge then goes to four arms for an uppercut then diamond to freeze then heatblast to burn him then idk waybig and toss him into space
For me, Ben transformed into a Viltrumite being the peak of the species would most likely be enough, I haven't read the comic but already in the series it was seen that there are Viltrumites who are stronger and faster than Noland. For the other transformations, Alien X would obviously succeed while Way Big has some chance but it is not a guaranteed victory
By the way even aliens like slap back from the ben 10 reboot have been stated by the creator to be able to get as dense as a black whole and that applies for each clone .i love invincible but ben just has way to many feats
It's not guaranteed that he will be able to hit Omniman, he could dodge the beam and take down Way Big. Way Big is a good opponent but not an assured victory
@senzanome9824 as he said clockwork is an instant win plus even Waybig is pretty fast and jet Ray is also extremely fast as well as xlr8 but they have downgraded him a lot but xlr8 has been shown to go at speeds simler to that scene of omniman when fought the gaurdians of the earth or what there name is
@@Griild_cheese Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so i think before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. for me XRL8 has the speed but lacks the strength, I also believe that Ben wins but not with ease (except if he uses him obviously)
But Nolan survived a blackhole so if Ben transforms into gravattack then he must crate a much bigger black hole Vitrumite can survive in the sun but not for to long, so the question is which one of Ben's on screen aliens can do that except alienx or atomi8. But I can see the omnitrix transforming him to the right alien to survive in the sun
Counter argument: the omnitrix has a safeguard that activates when Ben is about to die, and this happened once in a Big Bang that started the universe as we know it Basically, the watch can transform Ben thousands of times faster than light.
I dont understand how ppl say clockwork is instant win while we saw no watch ben dodging it point blick 6:10 ? The dude would rush and tear down most of Ben's aliens (and saying he could turn to a prime form of viltrumite [ben got defeated by 2 bigchill aliens while he was bigchill himself] similarly nolan is an prime form viltrumite who also know lots of tricks and their own weakness which ben dont)
It’s funny but viltrumite Ben would potentially just look like Ben but maybe taller and more muscular but I don’t think he’d have a moustache since is aliens age matches to his human age, but then again when I was omniverse bens age I had a moustache 😂
Ben is just one of those characters that just cannot lose under the rules set up by his show. If he's about to die, the Omnitrix transforms him into an alien that can tank the hit. If your power comes from your genes and not magic, then good luck, touch the omnitrix for even a moment and Ben becomes a perfect member of your species and you lose. Magic is the only viable option really, and even then Ben has plenty of aliens that could possibly outmatch you anyway. The only two characters I know of who would be able to beat Ben from across fiction relatively easily are Sora from LEGO Ninjago and possibly Kahhori from MCU (though there are probably plenty of others who would be able to pull a similar trick). Former is the elemental master of technology, so she would be able to just disassemble the omnitrix, and we know the latter can do some very precise teleportation, but the Omnitrix is bonded to Ben on a biological level as well so not sure whether she would be able to do that. But in theory she could probably also just disassemble it. Notice how the strategy here is to just destroy the omnitrix, and that in itself is already difficult and requires a specific power to pull off
Wouldn’t heatblast just be an instant win for Ben, *Spoiler* in the comics Thragg and Mark fight on the surface of the sun and the only reason Mark wins is cause of robots suit protecting him from burning long enough for Thragg to get beaten, a baby heatblast could go Super Nova (Source: Kuro the artist from the ink tank) and if a bay can burn that hot than an Adult would prolly just erase every atom of Nolan from existing
Kinda low balling Ben durability when it comes to aliens like four arms, diamond head, canon ball, even wrath. Even lesser aliens have high durability not to the crazy scale as cannonball.
Of course ben has alien x who is omnipotent has survived destruction of universe with no difficulty it is stated by keven that celestial can just blink they we all will be gone alien x recreated the universe
Feedback was able to hold the entire big bang clockwork can manipulate time and was able to reverse a explosion that killed every ben in every universe
D-Do y'all Ben 10 fans (I am one too) Only think Ben has Alien x? Ben wouldn't even use alien x He's got a bunch more aliens that could defeat Omni man Echo echo: He can Levitate and clone himself as much as he wants Atomix: One shotted Ultimate Humungousaur Waybig: Really Fast and Strong, Omni man doesn't have good combat speed Ghostfreak: If He can posses Omni man, Nolan is cooked And Much Much Much Much *MUCH* more aliens Cook Omni man
@@gunvanshrana9455Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Feedback is great but it depends on what and how much energy there is around you can absorb
Ben turns into a viltrumite and wins Ben turns into clockwork and wins Ben turns into either the pesky dust or gutrot and puts him to sleep... And wins Ben possesses him with ghostfreak or controls him with whampore and wins Ultimate echo echo finisher move is an ez win And i think goop could kill him in a messed up gross way Also im 70% sure upchuck can eat him alive Alien X is not necessary, overkill and this is an ez win for ben no diff
Couldn't of clicked faster. Pre-Watching Comment, I think Ben Ten would always win. Being able to become any alien, including the ones in Invincibles Universe there are the red dinosaur looking things he could turn into and win against him.
I respect you for trying to rationalise this matchup but almost all of Bens aliens beat him. A lot of Bens aliens don't seem super strong compared to how strong they actually are but that's largely just because the threats in Ben 10 can be so ridiculous.
There’s some other ways Ben could beat him such as hybridizing him like when he turned every high breed into a hybrid or pulling a a-train with jetray which is insanely fast and being possessed by ghost freak isn’t something people can be trained to resist and so is vladats mind control plumbers would be trained to resist mind control if you could it’s only physical things such as sunlight that harms ghostfreak and would force him out and the vladat mind control is similar it’s only something you can resist if there’s something physically stopping it like a helmet or mask or something to keep from staying on you like slime so he could throw him into a black hole or the sun the two things are shown can kill viltrimites that Ben has access to.
Even without Alien X Ben 10 has so many aliens worth talking about Diamond Head effortlessly stomped AF Vilgax, a being that can causally level mountains and survive Large Country levels of power, and even survived getting thrown to the moon by Malgax, a character who can vaporize the moon with casual ease Feedback can hold the BB and hold the power without imploding Clockwork can age Omni man to dust or revert him back into a fetus or something Humungosaur is capable of beating the snot out of Aggregor who was stated to survive attacks that can cover lightyears, and in Ultimate can keep up with Ultimate Kevin Echo Echo they can just pop Omni Man and his sensitive hearing Atomix can create stars and is considered one of the strongest aliens in all the franchise Way Big can casually carry a hyper portal, and can destroy planets with ease, that is not even including Ultimete Way Big who can fight Dagon an extra dimensional entity Toe Pick drives Omni Man to borderline insanity Ghostfreak can just posses Omni Man and can make him unalive himself
Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Feedback is great but it depends on what and how much energy there is around you can absorb. Homangasur would be easy for Ominan to beat due to his speed. Echo Echo is not an obvious victory due to their weak body although they could have a chance. Toe Pick doesn't necessarily work. Way Big has a good chance but it's not an obvious victory because Omniman might be able to dodge his beam. Diamonhead, Atomix and Ghostfreak would definitely be great options I agree
I've been thinking about that fight since Ben is named after Kirby after all. Benjamin Kirby Tennyson. I think Ben does win that though overall. Mostly because of Alien x though. While he could scan Kirby and become peak human age equivalent star warrior, the problem is, Kirby is as powerful as he is because he is a baby. Ben would be closer to Meta Knight as his transformation, and Meta Knight is technically weaker than Kirby, ironically due to being an older skilled warrior. So Ben's copy skill wouldn't be effective here since he's basically just become Meta Knight. However, Alien X is still op. Even if Kirby eats him Ben could still escape because of how Kirby power works. Worst case scenario it's a stalemate if Kirby can properly utilize a copy of Alien X's power. But as soon as Ben leaves Kirby's stomach pocket dimension, Kirby would lose the power up. That said, they'd probably just be friends. Stalemate through mutual friendship.
@@ShadeofIce alien x cant get rid of kirby without getting rid of all the good in the world and i think that includes ben 10. also dont think that ben 10 can become the embodiment of a force of nature
I haven't seen the show so correct me if i'm wrong but isn’t all of nolans feats planetary at least thats what i have heard if that is true than even toddler ben could one shot nolan a lot of people forget that todler heatblast was able to create a supernova which is a solar system lvl feat
Omnitrix Viltrumite form would go crazyyy, but would it have a moustache? 🤔🤔
@@StanHanrahan Mark doesn’t have one and he’s a teen just like Ben
@@hattoripool1533mark is half human maybe thats a factor
for me Yes, being the peak of the species it could definitely have them and the Viltrumites probably grow mustaches for a cultural reason, I would expect the omnitrix to copy this factor
I'd like to believe he can summon it like Dennis from SpongeBob squarepants
@@Lego_revan no hes not
Toepick taps into your primodial fears. You quite literally have to be either blind or truly fearless to resist.
Yea, at that point it isn't about whether it'd be effective against Omniman, the question is: what's his fear response? Fight, flight, freeze? There's a very real possibility that Nolan's response to being scared is throwing a devastating punch at whatever's scaring him
@eriks1765 well considering when Psyphon faced Toepick, He immediately coward in fear and begged for mercy.
So I think Toepick doesn't use the traditional fight or flight response. I think when you see his face you will see the things you are truly afraid of something akin to maybe facing Trauma or a an anxiety attack on steroids. But that's my theory
And mind you Psyphon used to work for Vilgax loyally he loved his job and Vilgax is considered the universe's worst criminal and considering he was also warlord Psyphon must have seen gruesome things plus Psyphon is no slouch himself in a real fight he almost killed Ben
Considering Omni-Man fear getting a virus, I'd say flight.
Remember, Gutrot was able to make a gass pheromones to attract Mutant To'kustar despite them not reproducing that way and Ben knowing nothing about chemicals or the biology. He 100% can make something that affects Viltrumites
Sometimes I forget about Gutrot and the potential danger his gases could bring.
Gutrot is extremely underrated and underutilized. So much so that he's in my Personal Alien Playlist with the most hax @file_boi020
Yeah. Easy.
Gutrot actually gives him full knowledge of chemistry just so he's not a sitting duck when he transforms into him.
@@anidiot192 yeah he even has every gas in the universe memorized and writers have said he can recreate any fictional material as gas after seeing it once
I personally think Pesky Dust would be a good counter for post-Season 2 Nolan. Trapping him within a dream/nightmare until he's psychologically conditioned to no longer want to fight
great point ! i forgot to mention pesky dust
Yes, Pesky Dust mentioned!
the 2.5 pesky dust fans are celebrating
@@windego64 All 2.5 of us are in this comment thread 😎
You know I can even see Ben using Alien X against Omni Man (similar to what he did against the Rooters) to just prove Nolan that viltrumite’s aren’t really all that and maybe even give him the same threatening speech he gave to the Forever Knights in Ultimate Alien
“And just who the hell do you think you are to stand against the Viltrum Empire?!”
“The actual Omni man.”
that speech goes so incredibly hard
Throw in omnipotence to shatter his ego
Ben to Driscoll
"Maybe you've forgotten something .I'm Ben Tennyson ,wielder of the most powerful weapon in the universe ,I stopped the Highbreed invasion ,I defeated Vilgax in hand to hand combat and I've beaten the Forever Knights more times than i can count .Here's whats going to happen ,You're going to release these prisoners ,you're going to crawl back to wherever you came from and you will stop hunting down aliens ,because if you don't I promise you will regret it for the rest of your -very-short-lives ".
Nah way big by himself is far above any viltrumite and there’s so many more aliens who are just eclipsing prime Viltrum as a whole
Viltru-might was the first idea for a viltrumite transformation that came to mind
But that might be more appropriate for Ben 23 lmao
For me it's great! At least the best option I've heard so far, and it's not like all the Ben 10 names are genius...
amazing name
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@@senzanome9824 four arms...
Ben could recreate the Scourge Virus with Gutrot, maybe even enhance it.
16 year old Diamondhead was durable enough to take a strike powerful enough to send him from a planet to it's moon with no real negative side effects.
when did that happen
@@HeroOfBen10 Omniverse episode Malgax Attacks.
@@HeroOfBen10 in his fight with malgax
@@alphawolf8503 oh yeah
He also beat the version of Malware with enough power to destroy Galvan B which is a huge moon bigger than earth’s
I think when Ben scans a viltrumite , ben would just turn into an slightly better but younger thragg
my thoughts exactly !
I definitely feel like the DNA scan thing is the most narratively plausible way for this fight to end. Perhaps it could even be combined with the failsafe, like Omni-Man gets his hands on Ben, only for Ben suddenly get way stronger than him in a flash of light.
Also, I think it’d be cool if Ben’s Viltrumite form got clothes similar to “Ultra Ben” from the dream episode of the original series. That’s kinda how I imagined his Kryptonian form would look already, but I could see it being used here as well.
2:20 it’s definitely waybig
Him not having fully charged beam was able to dwarf and push back the conquest ray which is a planet busting super weapon his cosmic beams are just that strong
Yeah I don't think that was done in the canon just a cool effect for the series because I highly doubt War Woman and Immortal his with the same force as a Black Hole.
Or his flight is more anti grav so he has more resistance.
Not to mention the conquest ray had destroy Pluto instantly so ftl feat
The Conquest Ray was stated to be able to destroy Earth, and It also destroyed Pluto in the past. Furthermore the laser beam is massively faster than light for being able to destroy Pluto in moments from very far away. So this is also a speed feat for Way Big.
4:43
The Omnitrix transforms Ben into the BEST representative of the species he scanned. That is, he will be STRONGER than Nolan and, in principle, will be equal in strength to the strongest version of Veltrumite
Ben would still get beat since he turns into the prime equivalent of a Viltrumite his AGE. It would be more fair to see Mark vs Ben's Viltrumite form versus Omni-Man.
@phantomgamer9264
Thats actually true he would only be as strong as Mark at the start of invincible even tho 90% of the time he fought other aliens using their transformations he somehow wins.
Anyways he'll probably realize the alien is a bum and turn into the worst or something lmao
@@phantomgamer9264 fair point but we have to remember that a Viltrumite's Age doesn't inherently increase their strength.
Which would likely be on par with Noland.
But that's if Ben decides to go this route.
@Eggwastaken969 Well, age has effect on strength, the second strongest known so far is conquests if he's trying to kill instead of playing around he'd be unstoppable
@@soubermed2175 yea that's a common misconception around Viltrumite's their age doesn't increase their strength. The older Viltrumite's have simply more time to train.
Yeah what's Nolan doing to Ghostfreak, Big Chill, AmpFibian, Buzzshock, and NRG.
You know aliens who can go intangible and can hit really hard.
Not to mention that a viltrumites organs aren’t as strong as their skin, since in the comics robot killed mark with a sound grenade that he ate and imploded from the inside, so Ben can just go Bigchill and phase through Nolan and freeze his organs, since Bigchill can also turn invisible while even in his intangibility state
Big chill and Ghost freak doesn't even need to hit really hard, with the way they work. Smart atoms wont do anything when they are completely frozen. Ghost freak has no issues having parts of himself be tangible so Omnimans brain is getting mashed.
As for NRG's suit, would they even dent it?
If u remember, we'll bigchill aliens are weak against sound from ultimate echo, knocking down 3 of them with just one disk each (if nolan clap his hands, he could disturb them enough to catch them off guard)
@@soubermed2175 Would Nolan think to do that. And Ultimate Echo Echo's sonic blasts were really powerful remember they could contain a nuclear blast.
But that could work provided Ben didn't go for the kill first.
@langadube9611 it took 4 disks to contain a nuclear bomb, while it took one of them to straight up knocking them out, so I would say one clap is enough to affect them to be tangible again (speed blitz, go through their chests)
DNA scanner, Viltrumite DNA transformation. Let's not forget about the Omnitrix security system to stop Ben from dying. Who mind you managed to survive the BIG BANG of the Universe, Viltrumites can barely survive on the Suns surface
Omniman gets his salad tossed by Waybig! But most aliens aren’t handling the alien Moustache🤣
The Only Alien...To Bring down the Alien with a moustache...
Is
Mole-Stache....
Wait a minute it’s you
Way Big's beam can definitely beat him but I wouldn't take it for granted, Omniman could dodge and take him down, it would definitely be an even fight
@@senzanome9824 W-Waybigs Beam Without even being fully charged is FTL+
Omni-man was shown not to be able to have good combat flight speeds so...😭
poor fella. we’re of the same opinions
1:49 Chronastone or Feedback would Literally eat it, Diamondhead would be fine, as would Humungosaur I’m fairly certain and I’ve yet to see anything actually hurt Rath save for his need to breathe - and he jumped through the vacuum of space to board another ship, so he’s unaffected by the pressure differential.
That's the kind of VS battles I like. Not powerscaling based on feats that writers didn't think about, but stating abilities and thinking about how fight could go.
Great video!
thankyou !
The Laser Nolan tanked caused only a few atomic bombs of collateral damage. Waybig’s laser has overpowered Incursean beams which can instantly destroy planets. Waybig would vaporize Nolan.
He wouldn't be able to hit Nolan. Nolan is way faster he'd literally fly circles around Way Big.
@ well, as scaled against the Incursean beam, he would have the reaction time to see Nolan coming, but yeah not necessarily the agility to block the attack.
@@SomeRandomKydd He definitely has the agility to keep up the incursean beam. His version version the Flash was barely dodging Nolan's attacks. Way Big is definitely not that Flash.
And before you make something up. I watch Ben 10 series too. Way Big is extremely big and strong. But his speed is average at best.
There is no way he can outspeed Nolan.
@@thomaswest2583 that is what we both said. I agreed with you. He might perceive events fast enough to see Nolan coming, but he can’t move fast enough to protect himself unless very lucky.
@@SomeRandomKydd Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying Way Big wins, my mistake.
Every viltrumite gangsta till echo echo pulls up
Sonic dooooom!!!!!!!
WALL OF SOUND 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊
As a power scaler even at a low ball are on the same level and or above omni-man at his highest. It's a fun match up but ben 10 is more powerful than people give him credit for even without Alien x.
I LOVE that you mentioned this, Ben vs anybody is unfair, he literally CANNOT be killed.
Oh, you're an alien? Yoink.
honestly all things considered. sounds like a fun battle to watch
Ben has the speed advantage just as Humnongasaur, he was able to completely catch ultimate agreegor off guard and blitz him(he didn’t win but he definitely was able to blitz him and smash him into the ground)
The fastest feat for a viltrimite is 20 billion times FTL but Ultimate Aggregor flying to the Perplexahedron was calculated at 87 Billion X FTL and the feat was lowballed to 15 minutes and one galaxy, it only takes him about 5 minutes in-show time and probably wasn’t in andromeda.
Not to mention Ben crossed a galaxy as jetray
I think Pesky dust can take him, he won't see it coming too, it looks harmless until it puts Nolan to sleep, and that gives Ben time to do something else
I just want to point the was a powered Kaju that gave Nolan trouble. Before the power up he could beat with ease.
I like this kind of video where you talk about all the different aliens of Ben and whether they would win or lose, and how the fight would go. Rather than:
A. Just using Alien X or,
B. Doing too much calculations and coming up with stuff like "WayBig can destroy solar systems with his laser beams" even though that was never shown.
thankyou ! I wasn’t sure how this type of narrative would land. im glad you connected with it
If Ben went Ghostfreak he'd take control of him, then lead him to Azmuth and have him whip up something to imprison Omniman.
Turn into ghostfreak or bigchill, turn intangible, occupy the same space as omniõam and turn into gravattack or someone else large. Instant kill.
Ben : my watch had transform me in all my alliens before a universe destroyer cataclism left my hands
Nolan : a biker had destroyed my home planet with nearly all my peoples using a device that can fit in a pocket
Brophy turns into a perfect version of omni man we could call it allmight
To'kustars have a pretty big laser too to be fair
About Graviattack… His best feat is that he can create black holes.
Nolan can escape the gravitational pull of a black hole as we see in Season 2. Meaning he’s already FTL. But we do have other viltrumite speed feats that put him into MFTL levels of speed. But hey we’ve never seen all of Ben’s aliens at their brink of power. Ben as Graviattack didn’t really struggle while creating that black hole so could be possible Ben can go beyond a normal black hole and create a supermassive black hole and instantly engulf Nolan inside of it. But that would be a loss on both sides unless Ben uses Alien X to reverse all the damage.
also invincible got hurt by a sound blast in one of the episodes, so maybe ben can use echo echo and do full blast
I would to see Ben 10 vs Omni-Man
Love the video man
thankyou ! you were the inspiration behind it
Ben can just take Nolan's DNA and boom now he's basically Conquest
i was thinking thragg
Omnitrix Viltrumite Apex of the Species look would be either Ben 10k or a Buffed Adolf Hitler
The thing with Omni-Man is that through his pure strength and speed, while Ben can beat him he would need to be very strategic and careful about it.
Y'all forgetting abt Echo-Echo the literal weakness of a Viltrumite.
4:08 "how much can nolan resist a hug gravitational pull" well since you specified the show version, he is shown qhile depressed flying out of a black hole so-
gravattack have created a black hole...
Which almost killed him.
Well, it did kill everyone he had to go back in time to avoid dying
3:25 I mentioned this in the poll
And yea Ben wouldn’t kill Nolan outright fair
My personal Viltrumite transformation name is Decastator, a mix of Deca, meaning 10, and Devastator
I love to see other adults talking about this cartoon still after years!
Given vultrumites weakness to sound, I can see Ben Wolf getting some good use on Omniman, maybe not get a win, but definitely cripple him and the ability to fly
Correction the omnitrix doesn't transform Ben in to the strongest version an alien instead it transforms him Into the strongest version of all alien of a particular age
So 16yr old Ben will become the strongest version a 16 yrold viltrumite is but with the longevity of viltrumite Ben might become more stronger
to my knowledge, it transforms them into a prime example of the species, not inherently the strongest. im thinking that lands somewhere between mark and thragg
Way Big, Atomix, Gravattack, and Gutrot absolutely slam Omniman
Unstoppable force against unmovable object
multiversal sapien
The omnimatrix is such a cool and strong device.
i think in the laser part you could also include diamond head for that like deflect shit
I think Rath could put in a good amount of work on nolan. We know that his only weakness is being able to breath. Then you have other void breathers like Jet Ray who can out match him in speed and yeah the energy attacks cant do much but a long enough fight he might be able to ware him down.
Ben has the potential to win simply because Ben has no known weaknesses and Omni-man has 2, a weakness to certain sound frequencies and extreme heat. So odds are Ben can either use Echo Echo or Blitz Wolfer to adjust their sonic attacks to find a frequency to hurt Nolan. And Heatblast fire burns at supernova levels, that's hotter than the sun. There's also NRG and Swamp fire that can also produce fire and heat but the upper limits of their heat is unknown.
Ben can only stay transformed temporarily and often transforms into the wrong alien, I would consider those weaknesses.Regarding Noland's weaknesses they are not an automatic victory, they are just things that could hurt him but he can still manage to beat them if he manages to hit them before they manage to take him down with a strong enough blow (Echo Echo in particular does not have a very strong physique)
@senzanome9824 That's not entirely true. The last series in the Ben Prime timeline introduced a feature called the alien life form where he can lock himself in any alien form he wants for an extended period of time for no chance for a time out. So in theory he could lock himself in his Heatblast, Echo Echo, or Blitz Wolfer form for an extended period of time to finish the fight. Also, keep in mind invincible was created by the comic book company image comics an intense amount of heat can harm a viltrumite but enough exposure from the plasma of heat from a star and viltrumites will be killed. And Heatblast are plasma based lifeforms that not only are hotter than the sun but it's hotter than a supernova. Also, even though Echo Echo doesn't have a strong physique the omnitrix fail safe won't let him die anyway. He could easy automatically become goop, big chill or ghost freak if he gets close to dying
Ben wins
But on the gravity point
Nolan was casually resisting a black hole
And swampfire can escape being pulled into one
thats a non-canon outlier from the show
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It can’t be an outlier if it was a literal plot point of him stopping his suicide attempt (the black hole)
To save the thraxians
@ajayimoses2495 sonic defeating perfect chaos in base is a major plot point in generations and its still widely considered an outlier, outliers can be plot relevant but not count to powerscaling
Big Chill would wipe the floor with Omniman.
His only offensive power is to punch things really hard. What's he going to do against something intangible?
Then Big Chill could freeze him and he'd die of hypothermia. Viltrumites have never shown a strong resistance to subzero temperatures
Honesty with bens overall lower damage output plenty of bens aliens durability is high enough to survival omniman.
Also gigantic feat I only recently learned. Doctor psychobos improved bens omnitrix to make it process information outside of normal time. This means the failsafe survival mode can be done instantly with no time frame that's dangerous.
Ok this is how he wins fewest aliens (and weakest aliens possible) Ben mistranforms into the worst Ben gets grabbed by Omni man like red rush but when grabbed he scannes Omni man
Omni man frustrated by the fact he’s not being crushed throws him through buildings he lands Ben hears “new alien life form detected” hits the Omnitrix and transforms into a stronger viltramite
Round 1: Ben goes Fast Track and gets a close fight but results in a stalemate since neither really lands a solid hit against each other.
Round 2: Ben goes for something like Rath, Kicken Hawk, or Way Big for more resilience but takes an L since he really needs the speed to win.
Round 3: Has several outcomes:
3a. Scans Nolan and becomes prime Viltrumite. Then its a difficult win for Ben due to combat experience vs prime feature.
3b. Ben uses an unirthodox but hard counter pick like Swampfire or Echo Echo for the round 3 win.
3c. Hax like Alien X.
Personally, I feel like clockwork would get wrecked by Nolan the moment he sees him wind up; Especially if its been after several other battles, which he wouldn't take that chance.
Omni-Man could travel from Earth to another planet in a week. The planet was located in the Virgo Super Cluster. That cluster is 65 MILLION lightyears away.
65,000,000 x 365 = 23,725,000,000 days it takes for light to reach the cluster.
23,725,000,000 ÷ 7 = *3,389,285,714.29x faster than light* .
Now, Ben's speed
The Perplexahedron was stated by Azmuth to be located in another galaxy. Aggregor flew to the Perplexahedron immediately after the events of the last episode, in which the protagonists fled Ledgerdomain, were contacted by Azmuth and talked to him for a little bit, and were then teleported to the Perplexahedron. So the timeframe for this is probably around 10 to 15 minutes.
Distance to the nearest galaxy - 2.3651826e+22 meters
Timeframe - 10 minutes
10 * 60 = 600s
2.3651826e+22 / 600 = *131,489,998,991.24x faster than light* .
Since, Ultimate Kevin absorbed the powers of Ultimate Aggregor and Ultimate Echo Echo can keep up with Ultimate Kevin, and Way Big, Feedback, Atomix, and Clockwork are way above them. So, many of Ben's aliens outspeed Omni man.
How would Nolan deal with swamp fire 😂
Ghostfreak would absolutely control nolan but saying he can't take him out is crazy. Ben can just have Nolan gut himself, or phase a hand into his skull and just scramble his brain.
Same with bigchill but worse. Phase inside the body and freeze the water in his brain or the one in his heart and have it burst.
season 2 firmly states nolan's durability as big country AT MOST. there's a scene where an alternate version of mark tells levy that his dad died to a quantum bomb that took out most of europe
long story short the worst solos
Run at him with XLR8, switch to Cannonbolt for impact, then Waybig to punch him into the ground.
master control moment
If the statement of Ben 10k is to be out here, XLR8 can travel all of earths surface in 5 seconds. If he just runs to him at top speed and switched to Diamondhead. It's GGs basically.
@@steveverera9999 diamondhead might not be able to withstand the impact, we've seen Vilgax slam him into the ground hard enough to crack him as well as seeing Tetrax literally tear him apart with his bare hands
@@cyborg2254 Yes but that same DIamondhead beat up Vilgax like 5 times or 3 times.
@@cyborg2254 That was when Vilgax and Tetrax grabbed him, But in alien force Vilgax basically got destroyed. And in Omniverse, Diamodnhead got so strong he didn't get damaged when Malware+Vilgax fused into Malgax and Sent him flying to the moon with 1 punch.
From what I remember, Ben would die almost instantly because the omnitrix would leave him vulnerable whilst scanning Omni man's alien dna. It ALWAYS scans alien dna and was a problem prior to omniverse. Maybe it was fixed in the omniverse continuity then...
Omniverse doesn't have that problem. Besides, the Omnitrix's failsafe can transform Ben into an alien if his life is in danger
Clockwork can turn him into dust, Echo Echo is his literal weakness, I doubt he can survive Waybigs cosmic beams, Goop in general impossible to kill plus if he gets on Omniman he can burn him with acid, Pixie Dust, Whampire just needs 1 good shot and he's under Ben's control then tell Omni man to OFF himself, Atomix can just beat him a fight with his abilities, Gravattack can hold him still underwater until he drowns or create a semi-black hole throw him into it
Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Echo Echo is not an obvious victory due to their weak body although they could have a chance. Noland resists black holes so Gravattack I don't think would be a problem. Way Big has a good chance but it's not an obvious victory because Omniman might be able to dodge his beam. Atomix would definitely be great options I agree
@@senzanome9824 Ah I didn't know this, I made my comment before watching the video to show my own thoughts before, I wasn't aware of that many Omni man's scale, guess I thought a bit narrow-minded, thanks for telling me.
@@senzanome9824 Heres the thing, if clockwork decides to, he can slow time so much so it can just look like everything is paused. Also another thing with clockworks beam that thing is comparable to Eons beam, which aged a Tokustar into dust by just hitting him with it. Omniman would die the moment he tried to tank that. And Waybig species are basically just metal giants with cosmic powers running through them. And yet they got aged into dust.
Nolan doens't resist black holes, he was planning to kill himself at that moment, while he did resist the pull of it, He wasn't even close to where he would die. Gravattack can just spawn it on his skull while making him feel enough gravity to affect a time beast. Mind you to have enough gravity to do that. You need black hole gravity to begin with.
To even cut down the time by half that we experience, we need 530 million times more gravity than what we feel on earth based on Time dilation equation. And he halted the time beast in its tracks. not slowed it down.
I mean, Way big is fast as hell, He conjured a beam point blank from a conquest ray. basically already fired. So he basically moved his arms to block a light speed attack. And he was fast enough to create a vortex so large, it sent a trash monster into orbit.
Omnimans combat speed, as much as people would like it to believe MFTL, not really. We see thragg get tagged by battle beast and a bunch of other aliens. So unless their combat speed is MFTL that doesn't make sense. And on top of this, Omniman would get pummeled the moment he tries anything.
NRG would very easily be able to not only withstand nolan but have enough energy to kill him
If we include a Ben with good writing he'll just go alien to alien until Omni man can't handle wtf is happening.
Example is like
Omni man goes to punch ben
Ben immedietly goes Grey matter to dodge then goes to four arms for an uppercut then diamond to freeze then heatblast to burn him then idk waybig and toss him into space
For me, Ben transformed into a Viltrumite being the peak of the species would most likely be enough, I haven't read the comic but already in the series it was seen that there are Viltrumites who are stronger and faster than Noland. For the other transformations, Alien X would obviously succeed while Way Big has some chance but it is not a guaranteed victory
By the way even aliens like slap back from the ben 10 reboot have been stated by the creator to be able to get as dense as a black whole and that applies for each clone .i love invincible but ben just has way to many feats
Hear me out, Pesky Dust wins if they catch Omni-man by surprise.
2:23 waybig beam over powerd a planet destroying laser he would over power it easily
It's not guaranteed that he will be able to hit Omniman, he could dodge the beam and take down Way Big. Way Big is a good opponent but not an assured victory
@senzanome9824 as he said clockwork is an instant win plus even Waybig is pretty fast and jet Ray is also extremely fast as well as xlr8 but they have downgraded him a lot but xlr8 has been shown to go at speeds simler to that scene of omniman when fought the gaurdians of the earth or what there name is
@@senzanome9824 waybig throws people to different planets omniman isnt even that strong
@@Griild_cheese Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so i think before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. for me XRL8 has the speed but lacks the strength, I also believe that Ben wins but not with ease (except if he uses him obviously)
@senzanome9824 good point but ben can still scan omniman
Ben would just turn into a peak viltrumite
But Nolan survived a blackhole so if Ben transforms into gravattack then he must crate a much bigger black hole
Vitrumite can survive in the sun but not for to long, so the question is which one of Ben's on screen aliens can do that except alienx or atomi8. But I can see the omnitrix transforming him to the right alien to survive in the sun
Omni Man rushes in and tears his head off before he even has a chance to turn on the omni-trix.
Ben isn't immortal.
bro did not watch the video
Counter argument: the omnitrix has a safeguard that activates when Ben is about to die, and this happened once in a Big Bang that started the universe as we know it
Basically, the watch can transform Ben thousands of times faster than light.
Alien X would cause no compatation
Ben wins no diff , especially if it’s omnivese
Big Ben 10 fan tho ❤❤❤
Echo Echo would COOK 🔥 🔥 🔥
I dont understand how ppl say clockwork is instant win while we saw no watch ben dodging it point blick 6:10 ? The dude would rush and tear down most of Ben's aliens (and saying he could turn to a prime form of viltrumite [ben got defeated by 2 bigchill aliens while he was bigchill himself] similarly nolan is an prime form viltrumite who also know lots of tricks and their own weakness which ben dont)
Who wins the fight: Omniman and Ben 10 vs Drip penguin?
hard to say. either way it'd be extreme diff
It’s funny but viltrumite Ben would potentially just look like Ben but maybe taller and more muscular but I don’t think he’d have a moustache since is aliens age matches to his human age, but then again when I was omniverse bens age I had a moustache 😂
Ben is just one of those characters that just cannot lose under the rules set up by his show. If he's about to die, the Omnitrix transforms him into an alien that can tank the hit. If your power comes from your genes and not magic, then good luck, touch the omnitrix for even a moment and Ben becomes a perfect member of your species and you lose. Magic is the only viable option really, and even then Ben has plenty of aliens that could possibly outmatch you anyway.
The only two characters I know of who would be able to beat Ben from across fiction relatively easily are Sora from LEGO Ninjago and possibly Kahhori from MCU (though there are probably plenty of others who would be able to pull a similar trick). Former is the elemental master of technology, so she would be able to just disassemble the omnitrix, and we know the latter can do some very precise teleportation, but the Omnitrix is bonded to Ben on a biological level as well so not sure whether she would be able to do that. But in theory she could probably also just disassemble it. Notice how the strategy here is to just destroy the omnitrix, and that in itself is already difficult and requires a specific power to pull off
AKA the rule they literally tossed in the last episode out of nowhere.
Nolan flew near a black hole..... So i doubt gravattacks strongest pull can hold him
thats a non-canon outlier
Wouldn’t heatblast just be an instant win for Ben,
*Spoiler* in the comics Thragg and Mark fight on the surface of the sun and the only reason Mark wins is cause of robots suit protecting him from burning long enough for Thragg to get beaten, a baby heatblast could go Super Nova (Source: Kuro the artist from the ink tank) and if a bay can burn that hot than an Adult would prolly just erase every atom of Nolan from existing
Kinda low balling Ben durability when it comes to aliens like four arms, diamond head, canon ball, even wrath. Even lesser aliens have high durability not to the crazy scale as cannonball.
It is fair 🌚
Of course ben has alien x who is omnipotent has survived destruction of universe with no difficulty it is stated by keven that celestial can just blink they we all will be gone alien x recreated the universe
In fact ben 10 might not even need to use him because of his other alien
Feedback was able to hold the entire big bang clockwork can manipulate time and was able to reverse a explosion that killed every ben in every universe
D-Do y'all Ben 10 fans (I am one too) Only think Ben has Alien x?
Ben wouldn't even use alien x He's got a bunch more aliens that could defeat Omni man
Echo echo: He can Levitate and clone himself as much as he wants
Atomix: One shotted Ultimate Humungousaur
Waybig: Really Fast and Strong, Omni man doesn't have good combat speed
Ghostfreak: If He can posses Omni man, Nolan is cooked
And Much Much Much Much *MUCH* more aliens Cook Omni man
@@gunvanshrana9455Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Feedback is great but it depends on what and how much energy there is around you can absorb
Ben turns into a viltrumite and wins
Ben turns into clockwork and wins
Ben turns into either the pesky dust or gutrot and puts him to sleep... And wins
Ben possesses him with ghostfreak or controls him with whampore and wins
Ultimate echo echo finisher move is an ez win
And i think goop could kill him in a messed up gross way
Also im 70% sure upchuck can eat him alive
Alien X is not necessary, overkill and this is an ez win for ben no diff
Couldn't of clicked faster. Pre-Watching Comment, I think Ben Ten would always win. Being able to become any alien, including the ones in Invincibles Universe there are the red dinosaur looking things he could turn into and win against him.
pues waybig derroto a un rayo capaz de destruir planetas omniman necesito ayuda para destruir uno
Omniman might be able to dodge the beam and take down Way Big, but I think it would be an even fight
I respect you for trying to rationalise this matchup but almost all of Bens aliens beat him. A lot of Bens aliens don't seem super strong compared to how strong they actually are but that's largely just because the threats in Ben 10 can be so ridiculous.
Ben 10 can just copy Omniman’s alien DNA
So yeah, Omni dead
couldnt ben scan him then become one of them
There’s some other ways Ben could beat him such as hybridizing him like when he turned every high breed into a hybrid or pulling a a-train with jetray which is insanely fast and being possessed by ghost freak isn’t something people can be trained to resist and so is vladats mind control plumbers would be trained to resist mind control if you could it’s only physical things such as sunlight that harms ghostfreak and would force him out and the vladat mind control is similar it’s only something you can resist if there’s something physically stopping it like a helmet or mask or something to keep from staying on you like slime so he could throw him into a black hole or the sun the two things are shown can kill viltrimites that Ben has access to.
Echo echo stomps
Even without Alien X
Ben 10 has so many aliens worth talking about
Diamond Head effortlessly stomped AF Vilgax, a being that can causally level mountains and survive Large Country levels of power, and even survived getting thrown to the moon by Malgax, a character who can vaporize the moon with casual ease
Feedback can hold the BB and hold the power without imploding
Clockwork can age Omni man to dust or revert him back into a fetus or something
Humungosaur is capable of beating the snot out of Aggregor who was stated to survive attacks that can cover lightyears, and in Ultimate can keep up with Ultimate Kevin
Echo Echo they can just pop Omni Man and his sensitive hearing
Atomix can create stars and is considered one of the strongest aliens in all the franchise
Way Big can casually carry a hyper portal, and can destroy planets with ease, that is not even including Ultimete Way Big who can fight Dagon an extra dimensional entity
Toe Pick drives Omni Man to borderline insanity
Ghostfreak can just posses Omni Man and can make him unalive himself
Clockwork doesn't have a body suited to fighting and Viltrumites age very slowly so before Clockwork can age or rejuvenate him enough Omniman would be able to attack him. Feedback is great but it depends on what and how much energy there is around you can absorb. Homangasur would be easy for Ominan to beat due to his speed. Echo Echo is not an obvious victory due to their weak body although they could have a chance. Toe Pick doesn't necessarily work. Way Big has a good chance but it's not an obvious victory because Omniman might be able to dodge his beam. Diamonhead, Atomix and Ghostfreak would definitely be great options I agree
I agree man
4:39 Ben would become Freddy mercury then right 😅
The worst and upchuck solo's omi-man
Edit: i kinda forgot goop but he also solo's
i think the only character ben 10 couldn't beat is Kirby
beyond playing kirby superstar and air ride im not overly familiar
I've been thinking about that fight since Ben is named after Kirby after all. Benjamin Kirby Tennyson. I think Ben does win that though overall. Mostly because of Alien x though. While he could scan Kirby and become peak human age equivalent star warrior, the problem is, Kirby is as powerful as he is because he is a baby. Ben would be closer to Meta Knight as his transformation, and Meta Knight is technically weaker than Kirby, ironically due to being an older skilled warrior. So Ben's copy skill wouldn't be effective here since he's basically just become Meta Knight. However, Alien X is still op. Even if Kirby eats him Ben could still escape because of how Kirby power works. Worst case scenario it's a stalemate if Kirby can properly utilize a copy of Alien X's power. But as soon as Ben leaves Kirby's stomach pocket dimension, Kirby would lose the power up. That said, they'd probably just be friends. Stalemate through mutual friendship.
@@ShadeofIce alien x cant get rid of kirby without getting rid of all the good in the world and i think that includes ben 10. also dont think that ben 10 can become the embodiment of a force of nature
@@huggelion Last line of my theory.
I haven't seen the show so correct me if i'm wrong but isn’t all of nolans feats planetary at least thats what i have heard if that is true than even toddler ben could one shot nolan a lot of people forget that todler heatblast was able to create a supernova which is a solar system lvl feat
he's like moon level at best bro where sid you get planetary💀💀
If goku ain't able to beat ben 10 omni has nothing to save him 💀