CAR SHAKES WHEN BRAKING. FIX! STEERING WHEEL SHAKES

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  • CAR STEERING WHEEL VIBRATES WHEN BRAKING. FIX!
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    Hey guys if you have a car that vibrates when hitting the brake this is the right video for you. Wrapped disc brake rotors will cause vibration in the steering wheel and the whole car over time. If you notice some vibrations when going 75mph and you hit the brake and you notice vibrations in the steering wheel it is very likely that you have wrapped brake rotors. You will be able to notice it at lower speeds as well. It will be filling like pulsing.
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  • @AutoRepairGuys
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    • @allanherrera9549
      @allanherrera9549 5 років тому

      How they charge you for rectify de rotors? And where

  • @demimendez1513
    @demimendez1513 4 роки тому +5

    Thanks for the advice man!I had to replace my rotors and my truck feels excellent now when I brake.No more shaking!Nice video!Thanks!

  • @Aurora_belt
    @Aurora_belt Рік тому +3

    This is my exact problem. You just saved me the cost of a suspension check. Thank you!

  • @caspernotsofriendly1803
    @caspernotsofriendly1803 6 років тому +4

    Thank you for posting,
    Heading out to check my car now. Saved me time and money! : )

  • @cunklemick
    @cunklemick 5 років тому +39

    Most the cars that have shuddering when braking have got worn control arm bushes. The front wheels go berserk like a shopping trolley wheel and you feel this at the steering wheel.

    • @mahdial4600
      @mahdial4600 2 роки тому +2

      I agree I have the same issue bushing definitely looks shot

  • @eldertrejo7918
    @eldertrejo7918 7 років тому +8

    good info homie thanks

  • @frostpistol
    @frostpistol 6 років тому +2

    Nice job dude ,thumbs up

  • @kangokidkidd4037
    @kangokidkidd4037 5 років тому

    Thanks guys love the VIDEO

  • @ivoore
    @ivoore 6 років тому

    Excelent video. Congrats

  • @TheMaximomex
    @TheMaximomex 6 років тому +2

    Great video.

  • @salvadorgonzalez6883
    @salvadorgonzalez6883 6 років тому

    Thanks ! That makes sense ..

  • @vaughnstapleton2290
    @vaughnstapleton2290 4 роки тому

    You guys make helpful videos

  • @PtotheL22
    @PtotheL22 4 роки тому

    ok let me tell you dude you are amazing thanks a lot for all your tutorial aweesome!!!!!

  • @user-pk6ww7yv5q
    @user-pk6ww7yv5q 4 роки тому

    Thank you!

  • @garthrichert5256
    @garthrichert5256 5 років тому +1

    Thank you. Very helpful. You are a good guy.

    • @secretman87
      @secretman87 5 років тому

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  • @mikearthut781
    @mikearthut781 6 років тому +7

    You also use a c-clamp to compress the caliper. put old back pad on caliper surface, and use c-clamp to compress piston back.

  • @robj7481
    @robj7481 6 років тому +15

    When replacing your rotors, remember, new rotors can be warped and uneven right out of the box!! This can cause "surging" when you press the brake peddle, even at very low speed you'll feel the car jerking. So it's a smart practice to consider turning rotors, even when they're new, before installing them.

    • @banaweekidane2630
      @banaweekidane2630 Рік тому +1

      What does turning rotors mean ?

    • @sandy-oj2nm
      @sandy-oj2nm 11 місяців тому

      @@banaweekidane2630 ua-cam.com/video/kWoEqfMWzzU/v-deo.html

    • @sucker661000
      @sucker661000 11 місяців тому +1

      @@banaweekidane2630turning rotors means machine rotors flat. You don’t need to turn brand new rotors, they were already turned because there new.

  • @pv88085
    @pv88085 3 роки тому +5

    What about tbe other side brake assembly. How did you come to know which side brake needs attention/levelling.

  • @furiousstylze1
    @furiousstylze1 6 років тому +34

    To do this the right way, get new rotors new pads, brake pad lubricant, clean and lubricate all slides and brake pad guides..... Done!!!!

    • @CrowT
      @CrowT 4 роки тому +2

      @Charles H Geis IV If your rotors are so screwed up and warped that your steering wheel is vibrating...its unlikely having them turned will fix the problem. Mine were doing this last year and no shop around here would even do it. Just replaced them and the pads🤷‍♂️

    • @andrewhigdon8346
      @andrewhigdon8346 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed that turning them will smooth out the braking issue. BUT, turning rotors removes material, and the reduced mass will allow them to get hotter more quickly, which could result in the same runout or warpage even more quickly than before. But yes, if you can get them turned properly for ten bucks a piece, by all means do that, but I didn’t know it was that cheap.

  • @Mattospianos
    @Mattospianos 5 років тому

    fantastico!

  • @jedim9980
    @jedim9980 6 років тому

    YESS FFUL!

  • @roryjoseph7645
    @roryjoseph7645 3 роки тому +5

    rust and dirt getting between rotor and hub will cause vibrations, when installing new rotors make sure to clean that area :)

  • @carlosk8103
    @carlosk8103 Рік тому +5

    Only problem is a lot of places don't wanna turn rotors anymore... They'd rather just sell you new ones... Prices are like 15-25$ to turn and like 20-50$ for new so there not too much of a difference...... Some might say new rotors could be wrapped but it's also true that some newbie could botch up the turning especially if you take it to a chain store where they got some part-timer on the lathe......
    Also if your rotor are 5- 10 years just get new ones...

    • @drenels10
      @drenels10 Рік тому +1

      Rotors for my car are 80 for the front and 60 for the rear. That’s the cheapest I’ve seen. So when it comes to spending $100 at most to turn vs $380 to replace, that’s a big difference lol

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Рік тому

      But is it worth your life on each amount? Think about going 70 mph and needing to stop on a dime with the unsettling shaking. Chances are you are going to be paying hundreds more if you get into an accident.

  • @thesniperofcs
    @thesniperofcs 7 років тому +16

    you need to sand the brake pads too to make it flat and even, because it will put uneven pressure on the rotors and you will need to do this job again soon, if the brake pads are under the half it's better to put new pads oem or greater.
    I use caborator cleaner to unstuck the rotors from the hub.
    thank you for the video and keep on upload more videos 👍

    • @AutoRepairGuys
      @AutoRepairGuys  7 років тому +1

      Great advice. Thanks for sharing!

    • @DT200LC
      @DT200LC 6 років тому

      thesniperofcs what number # of sandpaper for this job ?

  • @mannyman874
    @mannyman874 6 років тому +2

    Nice work

  • @TSIXGaming
    @TSIXGaming 5 років тому +4

    How do you work out which wheel has the uneven disc?

  • @rayortiz3228
    @rayortiz3228 5 років тому

    Nice 👍😃

  • @2kRemnent
    @2kRemnent 5 років тому +2

    thanks man my dad's car is shaking when I brake I'll try this

  • @c431inf
    @c431inf 6 років тому

    When robo voice over is better lol good vid dude

  • @mokwenyeanthony4207
    @mokwenyeanthony4207 5 років тому +1

    hey guys thanks for the video . my corolla 2015 sport really vibrated when I break. so what i needs to be done is to sand pepper the Rotor to give it a newer surface?

    • @deasttn
      @deasttn 5 років тому

      You can try that, but Corolla rotors are dirt cheap

  • @kashifs4022
    @kashifs4022 4 роки тому

    Saved lot of money just by doing exactly what you show and said.just buy new pads and fixed the rotors.the rotors surface was un even and pads were old.thanx

  • @Desmodromic916
    @Desmodromic916 5 років тому +8

    You need to separate caliper from the carrier in order to lubricate the sliding pins, so the brake force can be even on both sides of disc.
    If sliders are jammed, it could be the cause of vibration.
    Judging by the condition of disc and torex bolt, it seems that someone did a poor brake service recently.
    I would not be surprised if vibrations return after a while.
    Best regards.

  • @johnmicofontanilla2238
    @johnmicofontanilla2238 2 роки тому +1

    How will you which sidebis the one making the steering wheel vibrate?

  • @marisgmarisg
    @marisgmarisg 7 років тому +3

    Hey. How do you know witch exactly wheel is "damaged" and have to be repaired? Maybe its all four :D

  • @kennethdandurand3472
    @kennethdandurand3472 2 місяці тому

    One other thing that can cause the shaking of the steering wheel, is the brake show pins being bad. One I had was that the top pin was not cleaned/greased when it was out for a brake AND rotor replacement. The top pin moved ever so slightly but would not come out. So, a year later, it was frozen. All I had to do was remove the pin (hard, but it came out) and cleaned the pin and bore with brake parts cleaner and then I greased it. Tested smooth as a baby bottom, and no more shaking.

  • @SeanDIY
    @SeanDIY 5 років тому +3

    When you turn a rotor it thins out the material and the heat makes it more likely to warp. Just replace the rotors and pads.

  • @marcuswartenbe3116
    @marcuswartenbe3116 2 роки тому +1

    Did you have to change all four out or just the front??

  • @hellrot8889
    @hellrot8889 5 років тому +6

    Your shock absorber is LEAKING ... Vibe can come from it too

  • @TheMultisportGeek
    @TheMultisportGeek 4 роки тому

    You guys are gangsters.

  • @SebaRey301
    @SebaRey301 Рік тому

    Hi, I have a 2011 Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T. And my problem is that the steering wheel vibrates (not the brake pedal) only when I apply medium pressure to the brakes at 50-60 km/h. At high speeds and lower speeds it doesn't do it. This problem began when I changed all rotors, brake pads and rotated the wheels (both of the rears to the front keeping each one on the same side of the car as the owners manual says). I wirebrushed both front hubs so the rotor sits flush, inspected rotors and pads, brake caliper doesn't stick. Also checked both steering end rod and links.

  • @bassheadray
    @bassheadray 6 років тому +15

    Haha its Frenchy from Talladeganights lol 😂😂

  • @Monstacheeks
    @Monstacheeks 8 місяців тому

    I just got new Rotors and brake pads and it solved the problem. Car has 150K miles.

  • @covinhas87
    @covinhas87 2 роки тому +1

    I have the same on my R36
    When you go fast and hit the brakes it starts to vibrate.
    Maybe cheap disks?

  • @nolaskoguzman3320
    @nolaskoguzman3320 7 років тому

    The same problem happen with de rear discs???? Or only front ????

  • @doitall8877
    @doitall8877 6 років тому +17

    Good video, but it should say, just buy a new disc rotor

  • @keangfamily
    @keangfamily 4 роки тому +3

    If you want to keep the car for long time, you should replace the rotors and brake pads with brand new one. It’s the best to do it and for safety reasons.

  • @contactcm1766
    @contactcm1766 4 роки тому

    Where do you take the rotors to be cleaned?

  • @greaseaddiktz3217
    @greaseaddiktz3217 Рік тому

    That Lil impact looks like it fits in tuff spots

  • @yoannd.bakala4487
    @yoannd.bakala4487 4 роки тому

    Are you guys located in Berwyn Il? The area looks familiar.

  • @daveon677engelbrecht6
    @daveon677engelbrecht6 6 років тому

    I have a vibration on steering wheel, only when brakes are hot, like going down a mountain pass, even at lower speeds like 60 km/ hour. Should i also go through the same process or can it be something else?

  • @JuanGomez-gb6ce
    @JuanGomez-gb6ce 3 роки тому +1

    Can my front rotors be warped and my rear rotors be fine?

  • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303

    The only issue is I am going to have to go to one of the mechanics where I am at and they are probably going to make me think I will have to buy 4 new rotors. Maybe they will be nice enough to shave the rotors I have so that it is smooth.

  • @TungstenCarbideTempe
    @TungstenCarbideTempe 7 років тому +113

    Turn the volume off and try to guess what this guy is talking about at 0:47 sec. lol

  • @markcrawford8876
    @markcrawford8876 4 роки тому

    Never mind that blown out strut!

  • @kachimbonu5480
    @kachimbonu5480 Рік тому

    How do I know which wheel to do this too

  • @Fredsss
    @Fredsss 5 років тому +1

    My steering wheel does not shake, but car stutters when braking from lower speeds, also starts to go little right when letting go the steering wheel, any ideas?

  • @lonnierichman1013
    @lonnierichman1013 5 років тому

    What if it rear shakes around 35 mph after you put new pads on. And I smell burning and my right wheel is hot and I smell burning

  • @wossenalemu7488
    @wossenalemu7488 2 роки тому

    But how do you know which one of the four rotor cause the problem

  • @khalilahmed1457
    @khalilahmed1457 4 роки тому

    I have 2004 camery i got the same problem would say that i buy new spare parts better cuz my car is old old ?..!!!

  • @scotcharron1679
    @scotcharron1679 3 роки тому +1

    Front end drivers side feels like steering wheel vibrating feels like like wheel gonna fall off

  • @katiareginavizuetolivares3096
    @katiareginavizuetolivares3096 5 років тому

    saca el arte el chavo con hiervita

  • @milkyway6724
    @milkyway6724 9 місяців тому

    could be the rotors, wheel bearing, steering rod, sway bar links, brake pads, control arms, bent rims or uneven tyres

  • @MMR-cs6ql
    @MMR-cs6ql 6 років тому +1

    How many time you can cut it , my friend told me that I can't cut it more than one ,,, please help cause it's our family car !

  • @brianarchivaldovelazquez2698
    @brianarchivaldovelazquez2698 6 років тому

    he sounds like chris from family guy😂😂

  • @slpip
    @slpip 5 років тому +1

    The brake rotor is damaged by heat caused the rotor wobble. It is not worth to fix it. Go to ebay get a set of new rotors with ceramic brake pads. The new rotor has a ventilation hole and slots can run cooler. The ceramic pads are much cooler and better stop distance.

  • @independentautomobilerepai7766
    @independentautomobilerepai7766 7 років тому +1

    A glossy finish does not cause brake pads to vibrate. Research these key terms: "Disc thickness variation" (DTV) and "lateral run-out."

    • @winstonleighton1358
      @winstonleighton1358 6 років тому

      A very high grade ( thin) sandpaper is what i used by applying a rotary type motion when sanding. Also ,,, i do this on my brake pads.

  • @zaino660
    @zaino660 7 років тому +1

    how you fix...how?....

  • @bmwmsport4866
    @bmwmsport4866 7 років тому +1

    hi I got BMW E39 I had a problem with the shaking sterling Queen I replace the rotors and the wheel hubs I checked all the bushes bushes I done the alignment and still a shaken can you help me what is the problem it's shaking I'm turning left without touching the brake pedal

    • @pczapp827
      @pczapp827 7 років тому

      Wheel Alignment does not correct shaking,vibration,squealing or anything else,
      unless it was not done correctly previously,a little tire wear issue may be corrected
      but without replacing the worn parts that cause all vehicle issues, your wasting your money
      on alignment, expecting it to somehow fix a mechanical wear issues or bent parts

  • @ooltimu
    @ooltimu 7 років тому +1

    What model of Makita impact is that?

    • @AutoRepairGuys
      @AutoRepairGuys  7 років тому

      I have the link to Amazon on our website here: www.mechaniclifestyle.com/bmw-e46-control-arm-bushing.html

  • @sisdavid
    @sisdavid 5 років тому

    Don't you have to replace pads?

  • @e3LiiZABe3TH
    @e3LiiZABe3TH Рік тому

    Changed break pads and rotors and my Mazda steering wheel still shakes like crazy when I slow down from 60 to like 40 then from 40 down slowing down it doesn’t shake idk what else to do 😅

  • @vicmatthias4515
    @vicmatthias4515 6 років тому

    Why drive above 55 to 75 MPH?

  • @FabianMartinez-er3xq
    @FabianMartinez-er3xq 6 років тому +2

    What brand is that impact wrench? Where did you buy it?

  • @tyronewalker5764
    @tyronewalker5764 5 років тому +3

    The shaking i feel coming from the rear regardless of braking speed. Any ideas?

    • @soupvfx570
      @soupvfx570 3 роки тому

      When brakes become warped due to heat they expand Causing the warping going around the car but the most being around where the cause of the issue is

  • @swatkatz2454
    @swatkatz2454 6 років тому

    I like his accent

  • @cjhardknocks7040
    @cjhardknocks7040 4 роки тому

    the entire cab of my truck SHAKES bad think it could be the same thing?

  • @ramanwagle9736
    @ramanwagle9736 5 років тому

    hey guys

  • @zacharyparis
    @zacharyparis 5 років тому +11

    your rotors are not warped. they never are. the vibration is caused by uneven distribution of brake pad material on the rotor. you just need to bed the pads correctly when they are new.

    • @sltgirl219
      @sltgirl219 5 років тому +1

      I was thinking that I needed rear brakes but today my wheel started vibrating. I don't need rotors too?

    • @zacharyparis
      @zacharyparis 5 років тому +1

      Sheneitra Howard vibration under braking and just being due for new brakes are separate issues. if you are due for new brakes then the proper way to do it is to get new pads and rotors at the same time. whether you resurfaced or replace the rotors just be sure to bed the pads correctly.

    • @sltgirl219
      @sltgirl219 5 років тому

      @@zacharyparis ok thanks Zachary I'll replace both.

    • @guy858
      @guy858 5 років тому +3

      NOT true..... chuck those rotors up and see if they run TRUE.. guarantee you will have some RUN -OUT in them.. very common these days.. brake rotors are smaller overall to save weight, too much heat build up causes warp-age easily depending how aggressive people drive braking wise ... and the thinner they get from machining the MORE they will warp because they can't release the heat... I have machined HUNDREDS of rotors over the years and YES they have run-out

    • @zacharyparis
      @zacharyparis 5 років тому +1

      rotors do not warp due to heat. no normal person will ever get steel rotors hot enough to warp. i have been tracking my cars for the last ten years on steel rotors. repeated braking from 100+ miles per hour all day around the track creating extremely hot brakes... and not one warped rotor. the run out variance is due to the rotor not being perfectly flush with the hub. the other most common issue that causes vibration is an uneven distribution of brake pad material on the rotor.

  • @Andrew-rb4gs
    @Andrew-rb4gs 6 років тому

    Replace pads,rotors,shims.

  • @KayKashi
    @KayKashi 2 роки тому

    I feel it randomly like it drives completely smooth then steering wheel shakes like crazy even when I’m not braking. This happened after changing front and rear brakes

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Рік тому

      From my experience, the rotor will be the culprit if you are stopping. If it does this even when not braking, it could be the brake caliper.

  • @mmmaazzuurr
    @mmmaazzuurr 4 роки тому

    What store is doing it for 10$??

  • @juliusguerra217
    @juliusguerra217 3 роки тому +1

    Basically just remove rotors and have them resurfaced

  • @ihtiyardelikanl9217
    @ihtiyardelikanl9217 5 років тому +1

    Brake discs aren't done grinding ! You must purchase new ones

  • @aceani
    @aceani 7 років тому +11

    You look like David de Gea

    • @joses5301
      @joses5301 7 років тому +1

      Thank you. Guys, Good. Job,
      Where. Can. I. Get. No. Airgun. Like that. You. Were Use it. Thank you. Guys,

    • @wanjevi
      @wanjevi 6 років тому

      hahhah he look familia

  • @fields1336
    @fields1336 5 років тому

    Chrisfix is Romanian?

  • @taffy7hfa897
    @taffy7hfa897 6 років тому +6

    This guy has a great accent, he should be on the TV.

  • @mg8718
    @mg8718 6 місяців тому

    Replace the hub.

  • @carlyletom301
    @carlyletom301 6 років тому +2

    I can no longer find anywhere in NYC, where they turn rotors. Used to be a common type of repair.

    • @rellharlem
      @rellharlem 6 років тому

      Carlyle Tom
      Jerome ave in the Bronx any shop along the strip

  • @neilt7145
    @neilt7145 4 роки тому +1

    Wouldn't let that Cowboy anywhere near my car... Using a screwdriver and hammer? Change the Discs / Rotors and the Pads at the same time, you can't get the Discs / Rotors skimmed and then put the old pads back on?

  • @jaswinderahluwalia
    @jaswinderahluwalia 5 років тому +1

    Steering shake coyld be due to many other reasons..tyre imbalance, worn bushes, work column

    • @amjathkhan2004
      @amjathkhan2004 4 роки тому

      Hello Mr. Jaswinder. The steering wheel on my car shakes when I apply brakes above 120kmph, it works well in normal speed. I had replaced all my tyres last month, so I thought it could be due to the the imbalance of the new tyres. But even after the balancing was done last week, it still vibrates. I am not really sure what's causing the problem. The mechanic told me that if it's the warped rotors, then the shake will happen at low speed as well. So, I don't know where to start. Can you please tell me what are the other things I should check? Or maybe one or more tyres are defective? It's a Chevy optra magnum which has done 98K Kms on the odo. Thank you for your help!

  • @patrickkerner1471
    @patrickkerner1471 4 роки тому

    Warped ×brake routers

  • @Julian-do7bv
    @Julian-do7bv 7 років тому +3

    I need to have my rotors checked I think I've Warpped them lol

    • @pczapp827
      @pczapp827 7 років тому +1

      Rotors do not get hot enough to warp
      That is just a misused term that does not apply to vehicle brakes
      All Brake issues are from neglect
      Failure to do anything but drive or failure to perform brake work correctly & often enough

    • @albertroman9156
      @albertroman9156 6 років тому

      Yes I have a 04 Chevy Malibu and the front end shakes when Im going over 45mh and step on my brakes I changed the Rotors and the problem came back the next day what else can it be if anyone can help hope to hear from someone soon thank you.. Roman.

    • @deasttn
      @deasttn 6 років тому

      Albert Roman grease your pins to make sure you calipers are sliding smoothly.

  • @petew8238
    @petew8238 6 років тому +7

    Just as easy to buy new rotors. Why go through all that when getting new ones is much simpler. Unless you have to machine to do it. It is not worth it in the long run.

    • @justynaa.5501
      @justynaa.5501 6 років тому

      Why replace any part. Get a new car lol 😊

    • @rmcmillan469
      @rmcmillan469 6 років тому +1

      Justyna sz. Dumbest reply I've heard on the entire thread 😉

    • @justynaa.5501
      @justynaa.5501 6 років тому +1

      rmcmillan469 Thanks 😋

    • @rustyme1122
      @rustyme1122 6 років тому

      Some people just have money to burn. I have rotors turned at a local shop for $25 per pair. New ones are $40 each. Do the math.

    • @joeweaver9913
      @joeweaver9913 5 років тому +1

      Some of the brand new rotors you can buy are so poorly made that they will do this almost immediately after installing them.

  • @kingmaleek6334
    @kingmaleek6334 6 років тому

    Car does this at 25-30 mph

  • @REPDAT5SIX2
    @REPDAT5SIX2 6 років тому +11

    My cars shakes regardless. Maybe i drive to fast and i scare my car😂😂😂😂😂

  • @squarielman
    @squarielman 5 років тому +6

    "Don"t Hit The Rotor".. So he knocks it off from behind on the rotor with a hammer !!!!! ?????

  • @essencecole5196
    @essencecole5196 2 роки тому

    You took the rotor to the car parts store to do what? You said it costs $10, so what tool?

  • @makhmudik19
    @makhmudik19 7 років тому +9

    resurfacing $10??? Where are you guys?
    In Pittsburgh resurfacing is $40 for each rotor. Better to buy new one. So lucky you!

    • @ccamesr
      @ccamesr 6 років тому +1

      Max Kayumov
      Your getting ripped off

    • @cutl00senc
      @cutl00senc 5 років тому +2

      Oreillys 10.00 all day...move to a better state...lol

    • @bodo-bodo167
      @bodo-bodo167 4 роки тому +1

      Yangi disk qo'ygan yaxshi baribir

  • @davidk3523
    @davidk3523 Рік тому

    Mine were so bad it shook the steering wheel at highway speeds without applying brakes.

  • @warrensmith1005
    @warrensmith1005 Рік тому

    Wait!!! Where did you take the rotors to get shaved down?? How much was the job? I thought you had to buy new rotors.

    • @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303
      @wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Рік тому

      The normal person, who does not know how to remove parts from his/her own car, is probably going to have to pay a fortune to get new ones. But honestly, whether you take the cheaper way out of getting them shaved or you get new ones; your life is worth it. I had this happen to me yesterday on a 2 hour trip each way and I was hesitant to even use the brake and THAT is not a good sign.