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Sometimes I feel like Louis is the only person that cares
❤
He earned my respect.
that would be because he is
The only one who thinks he can afford to speak it out loud.
you're in good company
Make it illegal to share private information based on an opt out user agreement, make it illegal to withhold purchased functionality if you don't opt in, and make it illegal to share information without an explicit OPT IN. Legislate this NOW.
Im all for starting a Right To Privacy movement in America.
I have no faith in Congress. I think we all need to learn how to become anonymous. Use Tor. Spend Monero. Take the power away from Big Tech and their warrantless surveillance.
They will just pay the fine
Also EU
Not just PRIVATE, but ALL DATA including "anonymous", because the Data Warehouses they sell data to can glue "anonymous" data to a real person. In fact many companies use this as a way to get around "opt-out". But lets say you are using Google Maps, and logged in. Well, they can take that Google maps data and figure out it's coming from the same vehicle, and then now know that "anonymous" data from say your new Ford is in fact you! Microsoft years ago showed off how they can glue anonymous data 98% of the time to a user, using the data they have from LinkedIn, Facebook, and other "providers" real-time. Basically they know WHO you are before you've done anything but hit a webpage.
GM used to be a car business now it's a datarape business. Progress!
thats a good term
It's Government Motor now.
@@awdrifter3394it hasn’t been that in over a decade.
And Mary Ibarra became their madam.
They have been the Fed's darling since WWII. Them and AT and T. @@awdrifter3394
Driving School owner here.
I have to demonstrate hard braking and loss of control daily.
So I'm gussing instructing standards will drop even further because no one can afford to demonstrate the things that save your life...
Watched you for years, you're doing God's work good man.
i have the cambridge analytics sensor - this system is trash and when you drive normal you have breaking events.
_" dont break down the traffic "_ and _" drive continious "_ is not possible. the insurance boni based on those kind of "good driving" is a joke.
...i drive more than 35 years without anykind of crashes and run fast as possible the drive as it is allowed for the traffic to get into the ideal gas, but to drive with 15-20mph in the city you are by 2 gallons with a 4cyl by 1,6t - they do all and everything to push the gas bill up to pollute the cities as a gas chamber. _" jericho is greeting "_
no green wave left in our country at main strees !!!
Sorry to say but when the computers took over the mechanics of the car, this loss of standards started happening. Nobody (in theory anyway) has to learn how to drive because the danm computer handles everything.
I drive a 5 speed with cranks for the windows and have to use my key every time I need to do something with the car. I like it that way.
And my car isn't phoning home.
If a EULA appears on the screen in a car you bought and it won't let you use the car until you accept it, that should not be legally enforcable.
This really makes me wonder what legally happens when the screen doesn't work or something? Especially if its a secondhand vehicle. Is that now illegal surveillence?
I heard (From Steve Lehto) that the sales person typically clicks through those "agreements" during the customer orientation process.
@@cjay2But all of the brands do it.
@@jamesphillips2285That's dirty af. They don't want the customer to even see what they're agreeing to.
@@cjay2The customer shouldn't have to. Corporations shouldn't be allowed to change the terms of the sale after the purchace is made by locking people out of using their cars and devices.
I slam on my brakes to avoid hitting a deer, and my insurance rates go up!! Total BS GM should be more concerned about making transmissions that work to 100k miles
get rid of the 4g network control module. comments are saying you can remove it in most gm vehicles and stop the spying
100k miles? That's low... 😂
Are you replacing your fluid?
The new 9 and 10 speed transmissions from GM are hugely complex and fragile. I'm hearing stories that they don't last past 80k miles.
@@Gaspard129 Oh no! I have the new Ford/GM 10 speed in a GMC truck. I know GM’s 6L80 and 6L90 are problematic. So far so good at 32K
SA survivor here - completely agree with your usage of the word - it's appropriately explicit for bringing attention to a situation where you would (and often do) say no and you can't. How is that not like an abusive relationship?
I said it on his last video but yeah as another SA survivor its a good comparison & doesn't offend me at all
😊
Glad to hear this. Tired of the warping of language just to satisfy a select few.
GM began this in 1996 with OnStar.
Yes, you paid extra to be spied on then too.
I don't have a running car newer than 96. Also don't have onstar.
that's why you need to read the fine print because they opt you in the moment you buy that car without asking you.
Damnn my car has onstar but i dont pay for it. So maybe im not being spied on?
@@pandorin2348 You pay for your ability to use it. The data is still used by GM regardless. People are finding out with software updates it can auto enable even though owners have deliberately opted out previously. The C8 Corvette forums are pretty damning as these people bought track cars, pay for separate track insurance but GM reports the driving acts without consent to their regular insurance company.
@@pandorin2348Yeah right
Bank credit score. Driving credit score. Social credit score?
And we will continue to believe we are free.
We're headed to a dystopia of evil companies being allowed to do this bullshit
your social credit score is already here, just decentralized american style.
@@jamiewilliams1410You cook a lobster slowly.
@@TauCuThats a myth, but context understood. This method is also in rules for radicals.
If your car has a camera, pointed at you - you paint it black. If it has internet connection - you tear this down. If it can't work without that -YOU DON'T BUY IT
And mute the mic.
If it have a camera pointed at me, or an internet connection. I won't even buy it.
@@saulgoodman2018Rip out its ability to connect to the internet. The camera is useless without it.
@@edstar83 I just won't buy it. All this tech in cars just makes it more expensive.
@@saulgoodman2018 I drive a 2004 Toyota echo.
I think cyber-stalking is an accurate description of the behaviour. If any individual were tracking what you do, where you go, when, how, why, and who you go with, they would be stalking.
Corporations using emergent technologies to do this on a massive scale has somehow been normalized, legitimizing the practice, as if isn't wholly invasive and privately violative.
The abuse of EULA contracts is a separate issue, but similarly problematic. The "take it, or leave it" package of arm-length legalese preys on individuals without legal recourse.
You buy a product, then are not allowed to use it without accepting undesirable terms. There is no negotiation, consideration, or revision, due to a disparities in leverage and representation.
Steve Lehto did a video on this exactly story. I recommended people who want to learn more to come here.
One thing he mentioned there was that, in many cases, the driver or owner isn't even agreeing on Page 21. The salesperson showing you the car might just hit "I Agree" to get to what they wanted to show you. So you might not even know there is a EULA in effect, or have any opportunity to opt-out because some salesperson agreed on your behalf.
One thing I will add: what if you actually do agree, but then let a friend or relative borrow your car? Have they consented to these companies collecting their data? Almost certainly not!
And what happens when you sell the car to someone else?
Everyone needs to send in information requests to absolutely bury the department answering them.
This is the way. Unfortunately, this will simply result in them raising prices to insurance companies to cover the increased cost of compliance. Insurance companies having an excuse to blanketly charge you more is something they will be willing to pay for.
Adnauseum used to do that. It was a browser extension designed to click and run through every ad link on a web page in the background flooding the advertisers and burning through their AdWords and feeding in useless data.
Kind of like a reverse of the old recursive web pages full of fakes email addresses you’d put on your site to defeat spam email scrapers
@@rossmanngroup No, it's not the way. It's already automated with AI.
Hmmm , some old New York taxicab medallion fleets used to post escrow money as bond to avoid paying insurance premiums. Self insured as they called themselves.
@@rossmanngroupWhat about having the car constantly just send data. Overwhelm the databases.
Reporting "sharp acceleration" on an EV is hilarious. Literally one of their best selling points.
Reminds me of the time I saw QR codes on the back of cop cars saying "Join the police force!"
1300 BE A COP ... 😂😖
YT censorship again
@@alli3219
What?
@@aresorumphone keypads have letters associated with numbers, allowing you to be clever with advertisements. Best example I can think of is the Luna Mattress commercial jingle: ua-cam.com/video/jNEWyX2crpY/v-deo.html
Louis, been watching you on/off for over a decade. Your channel has grown into not just a repair man that cares, but a human being that cares. I appreciate what you're doing and support where you're going.
Much respect from cold and rainy Canada
i love how most companies make things unrepairable under the guise of protecting your data from third parties but then they sell your data without thinking twice.
There is this one freeway onramp that is short and uphill near where I live. When I use that onramp I accelerate like a mo-fo because if I don't I could get rear ended by a semi with a 30 mph difference. There are situations where you need to accelerate like crazy, just like there are situations where you need to break hard.
Exactly. Without any context for why someone floored it or slammed the brakes, the data is meaningless. Sorry insurance company, next time a child runs into the road or another vehicle cuts me off, I won't slam on the brakes to avoid a collision, I'll hit them. That's clearly what the insurance companies want, right? They'd rather pay more to cover collisions than have us slam the brakes to avoid one.
The perverse incentive structures these systems create is just as @mjc0961 described, and is not beneficial to society.
@rossmanngroup I wonder if that incentive, if it becomes standard practice, would be grounds for lawsuit against insurance companies.
Example: Fail to brake because someone enters the crosswalk when it's not their turn(happens all the time), charge the insurance company for manslaughter for telling you not to slam on the brake, or it'll cost you.
This notion sounds absurd to the level-headed, but the absurd is rapidly becoming reality in this day and age. How many years pass before the above situation actually flies through a courtroom?
And frequently hard braking without subsequent collision means you just saved someone's insurance a nice chunk of change Or your an idiot road rager brake checking someone. No way to tell. Same with rapid acceleration. Context and history are needed. It would be one thing if they collected this data (WITH CONSENT) for a few years and analyzed it along with claim data and so on. This is so new their just making assumptions that favor raising rates (what you though this was about safety, sorry it's not).
Brake
Louis is looking a lot better since he left NY.
"Louis is looking a lot better since he ESCAPED FROM NY". - Fixed it fer ya'.
@@StreakingTiger
::theme from the film starts playing::
Epic.
because NY is the devil's spawn...
totally agreed he looks more peaceful in his face somehow - like a friend looks when they finally get out of a toxic relationship
I was going to buy a new GMC Canyon today. Thanks for the notice.
I've been driving secondhand cars ever since I got my licence and it's been great so far because the cars in my budget don't require software. There's nothing worse than not being able to drive because your car has a bug from an update
Because of you, I switched out all the fuses I bought off Amazon, with the good ones you recommended. Today knows how many lives you have saved, with each and every video. You are a hero. I still have my 2003 beetle, 90,000 miles, taught myself to change my own oil, etc. etc. I will never give it up. -girl
4 months ago I did a video going over how 2 amp amazon fuses allowed me to pass 6 amps through them for 7 minutes, then 8 amps, and didn't blow until I put 10 amps through them. ua-cam.com/video/B90_SNNbcoU/v-deo.html
I reported them to Amazon as unsafe using Amazon's report form, as well as leaving a detailed 1 star review on why this was unsafe, including proof.
Those fuses are still for sale on Amazon today: amzn.to/3Vfipfq You can still buy them. If you put their 2 amp fuse into a circuit where it is supposed to blow at 2 amps, it will easily let 4x power through indefinitely, causing a potential fire hazard.
Amazon does not care if they burn your house down. As long as they make their money, you don't matter.
@@rossmanngroup The reviews for the fuses are like "Haven't tried them, but there are a lot of them. 5 stars" or "The quality is bad, but they give you so many. 4 stars"
Is somebody going to have to get injured for something to happen?
That brand "Nilight" has sold over 100k items in the last three months.
@@rossmanngroupit’s a great video, it finally made the penny drop for me on how bad Amazon had been getting. Not using it a lot, I hadn’t realized that almost every search for products turned up subpar junk with dubious reviews but I can’t unsee it now. Better off on Temu if I want to order garbage that doesn’t matter, for anything that does, I’ll find it locally.
@@rossmanngroup _IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!_
@@rossmanngroupFiled a complaint with Amazon about this product. Doubt it will help, but I tried.
It's a weird feeling when buying an old car without tech is more desirable than buying any new car.
that "NEW CAR SMELL" that everyone seems to love? thats all that GOD damn plastic off gassing those deadly chemicals!!!
It's been going on in the farming equipment market. I remember seeing videos about farmers buying old tractors so they can repair it themselves.
It should be a really GOOD feeling.
bought a 2008 renault clio 1.5L diesel yesterday for cheap. drives like a charm!
U can put that tech in old cars I can upgrade my cars radio with a modern touch screen radio and I have full control
There's been lots of talk about it on the Corvette (C8) forums the last few weeks. Onstar is the ones that are sending the info about driving. It can be disabled in the Corvette App, settings then OnStar Smart Driver, slide left to turn OFF. Default is set to ON, but of course nobody knew about that until recently.
But would you really trust it to be OFF? I would find the antennas and unplug them at least. If not the entire On-star module.
Remove the module ... duh. Any real Corvette owner should be handy enough with tools to do that. Surely there's a fuse, too, if that proves difficult?
I fully support your terminology and defend it's usage. I don't think any other description captures the nature of what these companies do so directly and succinctly.
I told a young couple not to sign up for that "snapshot" module. It turns out that every time a tire slips on snow or ice it considers it reckless driving and it raised there rates. Personally I am spending "new car" money on multiple identical used cars.
I used snapshot, drove my F150 like a grandma. Was supposed to have it for 6wks but after 3 they wrote me to send it back. Got low insurance (10yrs ago.)
I have been driving Ford Crown Vics and Mercury Grand Marquis for decades. I bought a 2006 Grand Marquis 11 years ago, with 97,000 miles on it, for $7200. It now has 384,000 miles on it, with no expensive problems. About 6 months ago I bought its eventual replacement, a 2007 Grand Marquis, from the original owners, an older couple, with 36,000 miles on it. Basically a brand new 17 year old car. I paid $10,000 cash, no taxes or dealer fees, no interest, and no expensive insurance. And NO SPY DEVICES.
I'd be bankrupt considering how easily my rear tires slip when it's wet and I look at my gas pedal the wrong way.
I've been saying for years "A car is not an excuse to put wheels on a computer." I just never thought it would get this bad.
I'm keeping my old car for the rest of my life if I can. I'll be digging out my wrenches and rolling my engine hoist around to give the thing as many transplants as it takes to keep it running. And if it craps out beyond the point of repair, I'll find another about the same age, hard as that's going to get. No way am I ever driving a ton-and-a-half spybox that's just there to make my life worse.
@@joelfenner "And if it craps out beyond the point of repair, I'll find another about the same age, hard as that's going to get" I would go ahead and get another one now. That's what I did. I bought a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis 11 years ago, with 97,000 miles on it. It now has 384,000 miles on it. About 6 months ago I bought a 2007 just like it, except a different color, with only 36,000 miles on it. It will be the eventual replacement for the 2006, and should be the last car I ever need. Now I don't have to worry about finding another nice older car. I will keep the 2006 as a parts car.
I make it a point to LIE to Google and all other data brokers at every opportunity.
Same.
I recently started getting mail at .y home in the names of the fake names I use online. Credit card offers and store rewards
Fick the algorithm
That's why I hate that Meta bought UA-cam. Now it's harder to lie in UA-cam comments without getting fact-checked.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 what the hell are you talking about about ? Google owns UA-cam. Meta doesn't.
This is why I like my old gas guzzling 03 Silverado! It gets me from a to b and it doesn't tell the whole world what I'm doing with my life... I tend also to leave my cellphone at home any time I'm not on the clock for my business so there really isn't anything tracking me a lot of the time when I go out for a drive in my truck...
Granted it works doesn’t that makes you a little too paranoid ?
@@serafinacosta7118 with the things I keep hearing about now days and how they use everyone's data against them without their consent I believe I'm probably not "paranoid enough", but the general population can keep burying their heads in the sand until the government has there way with everyone instead of fighting back by boycotting that crap, and not buying into that culture...
This an everyday struggle to preserve our personal freedom. Louis, as usual, is leading the charge.
We all owe him a tip 'o the hat and whatever support we can offer him.
Louis ... what can we do? What do you need?
Many GM cars have removable 4G network cards. New models started integrating them into the Body Control Module, but models prior to 2023 most likely have a sandwiched board with pins to add 4G to the BCM. You can pull this board, and kill their connection. You will lose OnStar, but if you're concerned about the data then you won't care. Maps still work. Look up your model and there is probably a walk through.
Pulling the antenna only makes their connection sporadic, and they can still make a download if you're next to a tower for 20 seconds.
Now you know.
Any idea if this applies to Honda vechiles too? If so, where do I look for more information?
Google it
Losing onStar is an absolute plus! It’s my choice if I want to call in the case of an accident, the other party and myself may want to handle the issue PRIVATELY if it’s small without jacking insurance rates, if that’s what both owners choose to do onStar has ZERO right to override that
Any data about what if you short out the antenna port?
@@ambiarock590 Check Honda forums for your model, and locate wiring diagrams. If it has 4G, it has a modem and antenna, only thing is if it is removable or not. GM's at the end of their model run are usually dated in design, Honda might be more integrated.
Imagine if Google, in accordance with law enforcement, shared your travel data and gave you tickets based on how you drive. It's not that far of a stretch to calculate that you went from A to B in C minutes and found out that you were speeding, multiple times. They already know this information - check your driving history in Google Maps. You get a nice $200 ticket, your insurance rate goes up, and this info goes back YEARS.
Really hope this isn't the direction that tracking nonsense heads in.
It would be easy to fight this ticket as logging is not regularly calibrated but a dystopian portrail of our society nonetheless
But TikTok is the problem
Keep location disabled unless you really need it
my history is crystal clear
F them 😎
Given how the Maps timeline looks before I go in and manually correct the hell out of it...yeah, no, I'd shred them in court if that happened.
It's already in place in some places. Look into AI traffic cameras. The future is disturbing.
Dear Mr. Rossman, you are continuing to be a pain in the a... of companies that like to f.. over every day internet and online users and I truly appreciate that you do that. Please keep doing what you do, it´s absolutley awesome that there is somebody like you out there that acts like a upfront and frank individual who states and summarizes the facts as given. You will have my ever lasting support, thank you soooooooo much!!!!!
had me in the first half
Your microphone in this shot makes it look like there’s a spec on my phone screen, as a thank you I am liking this video
“To create more personalized insurance coverage,” aka, to charge you more
I feel like this bs of "personalized insurance plans" just means "more expensive plans" Is there even a case of a company going "oh this man drives well according to the data we secretly took from him, we'll LOWER his insurance rates!".
I would believe that they may lower the rates in some cases. Especially if somebody doesn't drive much.
But if their existing actuarial tables are correct: around half the population should get higher rates from "personalized" insurance.
They might find one or two fringe cases to make a show out of to justify things if needed, but otherwise I doubt it.
It's just a small part of the Social Credit Score being implemented.
@@markymark5281 The comments scare-mongering about a "social credit score" kind of make me want to see one implemented.
@@jamesphillips2285 if that's how you feel, then I hope your score is low.
I got a BMW i4 as a company car, it's a new leased vehicle. When I went to pick it up and the dealer explained to me the new infotainment system, he quickly checked all the "privacy constent" boxes, before explaining me that if I was in a wreck, the insurance company would ask them if I was speeding or had traction control disabled.
First thing I did was revoke all those privacy consent checkboxes in the car, leaving only the minimal ones so that I can still see the car charge remotely. On an ICE car, I would have revoked the entire thing. It's nice from the software that you can (dis)agree so granularily with these (anti)features. Some of them said the car would share my drive information with BMW, send all kinds of sensor data etc. Happy to be able to turn them off easily.
Language is the weapon, words are the ammo.
THANK YOU for using them both WISELY and APPROPRIATELY!!! 👏👍🙏❤️👌
Rossman for president.
I'm not in the US, but you guys should definitely put him on the ballot.
I’m as far left as they come and I’d ABSOLUTELY vote for him 💯
just come and vote anyway the democrats allow no voter id in some states
no he's way to smart and not compliant enough
He'd never be let in the system
@@luckygargoyle4881 Got proof, or is this just more MAGA nonsense?
If you own a Chevy Bolt you can pull a fuse and disable the cellular modem. In pre-23 models it will also interfere with bluetooth but its a small price to pay.
Are you sure this truly disables it? I don't think so...I have an 18 silverado and physically removed the modem daughterboard. You can also adjust the resistors to enable the sim slot, which presumably prevents it from getting on a cell network.
disabling modem doesnt fix this. next time you are at the vendor, the tech will read the logs with his nice computer. it must be illegal.
If it's not working they'll prolly jack your insurance up.
@@RFGSwissChange your own oil maybe?
....and support independent mechanics.
Thank you Louis, I am honestly amazed at these corporations brazen violations of our rights. I am with you sir.
Thanks for being an advocate for consumer decency. I wish the government would actually do their jobs but since they don't then it's great when you point that out.
This is one reason why I love my vehicle which were made in 1983, no such computer or spying devices.
Every car I owned were from the 80s. I've been driving a 1988 Acura Integra since 2005. Reliability, great gas mileage and just replace what needs to be replaced and I don't have to worry about getting spied on.
I recall a car enthusiast recommending cars prior to 2014, before the electric/hybrid boom.
@@scrittle i was would say anything pre 2009 is likely ok.
Driving a 2003 Mazda. Keep it maintained and it's still running just fine.
@@scrittle I certainly won't own anything newer than that, vehicles with electronic parking brake for example because I can't even fit new pads due to needing a diagnostic tool. A guy across the road from me had to replace the electronic motors on his car twice, they cost a fortune compared to a handbrake cable.
Just when I had my blood pressure under control, Louis shows up! 😖
He has a talent for showing you things you should be rather angry about.
If it wasn't in so many companies' best interests to treat the public like some pesky barrier between them and their money, like the rocks burying gold ore below the surface, the world would be a much less stressful place.
absolutely
Dude I'm so happy you're talking about this and I'm so upset you're the only one talking about this. Incredibly important subject matter.
You the man Louis! Thank you for speaking out!
Steve Lehto had a thought that even a car salesman could activate a feature to show it off selling a vehicle and that might count as "agreement". I'm paraphrasing. Watch the video if you want to know exactly what he said.
Basically he was saying a salesman might "opt-in" to the agreement on a car delivery, without you even knowing it (although they'll say *you* opted in...). In fact some Automakers have bonuses to Dealers who get x% of new buyers to download their app and opt-in.
@@pinkertonfld Thanks.
I bought a new car about a month ago, the salesman had already fired up the infotainment system to show me how to use it. For several weeks Hyundai has not let people into the driver score system because they say it's being rebuilt. So I have no idea if it's on or off right now.
@@MartysRandomStuff 😬
@@MartysRandomStuff "driver score system" might be the scariest phrase of all of this. They are gamifying their personal data collection.
Even worse is you can be sure your data will eventually get leaked in a big file dump. So make sure your username and password always contains commas and semicolons, just to mess up the CSV export.
There is a trivial work around that problem.
That's not going to do much. Just use a password manager, which makes it trivial to use a different password for everything, and reputable password managers are built so that even they can't know what your passwords are.
If any one of your passwords gets leaked, you'll need to change that one no matter what.
thats... thats just not how any of that works
@@blueredingreen Doesn't that just mean that when the password manager gets hacked or leaked that one incident gives them access to MORE of your information in total.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 Proper password managers encrypt your passwords using your master password, so whether they get hacked or not, no-one can see those without the master password (which the password manager doesn't store).
Thank you for sharing a link to the article. Appreciate the effort.
Louis, thank you from a bottom of my ❤ for work you do.
Companies use a language that the average buyer does'nt understand.
This absolutely should be illegal as hell
Most executives barely understand the language used in those “agreements”, they understand the revenue/profits those “agreements” can generate. It is mainly only legal professionals who can understand those “agreements”.
"How do we say this in a way that the consumer doesn't figure out everything else we've done with them"
It’s crazy because in the hospitals our forms all have to be written in a 4th grade level 🤦🏽♀️. To make sure everyone understands
The same can be said of government, too. We do not have legislators, we have the corrupted, the dullard, and the mentally incapacitated.
I like how Louis is starting to understand cars more and more after moving to Texas
I’m from NY like he was, we’re car people out here too but I see your point 🤣🤣
because texas makes it impossible to cycle by design
@@doltBmBYou mean NYC makes it impossible to drive by design. They're closing off more and more lanes and even entire streets. Don't try to flip things around now.
@@McVaio slave made to love his chains
Well said!
Appreciate what you do man. Love your channel.
Champion. You are an American Champion! You go, Louis! Thank you thank you thank you!
I'm gonna stick forever to my 2008 Honda 😅 cost maintenance is really low, no complicated computer, no privacy issues.
same here 😎 literally
my 08 Honda just passed 150K the other day
Amen and thank you! We consumers MUST push back on these practices or they will become the norm by setting precedents.
Keep doing what you're doing. =)
So good, keep informing the people!
If we band together, we have the power!
When you buy a new car, the infotainment system might ask you to agree to be monitored.
1) If you refuse to agree, then your infotainment system might not work -- even though your own it.
2) The dealership might already press the agree button, and you will not know that they entered you into a contract.
3) What if you buy the care as used? You now are on the hook for the previous owner's agreement. And I bet that somewhere in that agreement, the original owner is legally bound to tell the next owner.
@@cjay2 How would you even know??
@@cjay2 I think one thing the Louis was trying to stress in this video: is that "voting with your wallet" does not work if EVERYBODY does it.
Like I have refused to use HDMI for the last 20 years (due to my opposition to HDCP): but may last video card still had 3 HDMI ports on it (I use 2 of the 3 Display Ports; HDCP works just fine over DP).
Solution in US is simple:
Step 1:: Sue both the insurance company as well as the car manufacturer for spying on you
Step 2: Tell in court that you never did agree and force them to give proof that you did, they wont have one.
@@big0bad0brad cjay2 is trolling.
@big0bad0brad Don't buy new cars stick with things from before 2014
I used to work at a company called Wejo that took data from GM cars (used to because it went insolvent) but you should have seen the level of detail that data from the cars could provide! It was insane. Honestly I'd take the associated fuse out because its super Orwellian.
Yep, I saw a demo in 2019 from Microsoft showing that with one of the Off Road vehicle makers... they showed how they could click on a dot on a map, and pull all of the data (The current Temp, speed, RPM, probably over 50 data maps) all over the internet without the owner knowing it.... they were just riding out in the high desert in SoCal at the time while 12K people watched it in Orlando....) It was creepy as hell...
You could analyse traffic down to the lane and build complete driver profiles as well geo tag them based on it all. Super crazy stuff.
You bring up such a good point when you say how people say, "You're an idiot for buying Ford. You're an idiot for buying GM. You're an idiot for buying Tesla." The biases in car culture are perfect for a system like this because, in my experience, people in car culture don't give a fuck about any other car except their V8 machine and they'll actively seek out V6, 4 banger, EV owners just to piss on them.
No way they'll ever ban together to stop this.
As for corporations. It's all about money. No matter what. Even when it comes to being "patriotic Americans" money comes before you, me and our rights. Even Christian organizations like Christian hospitals work like this. It's all about money.
Bless you and your goals.
I had the tracking app for my insurance company for a bit. It was so stupid. I noticed right away that any time I hit the breaks in response to other drivers it hurt my score, like ok I’ll just crash next time someone cuts me off
Also, any time I rode in a car I would have to go into the app and certify that I wasn’t driving or I would get blamed for their driving habits.
Why did you have to use a app for your insurance company?
Had to use an app like this when I first switched insurance companies. The hard braking detection was so sensitive that there were times where it was a better to run a red light that had just changed than to try and stop (thus being MORE of a risk on the road). I don't think it was all bad - I've definitely been more conscious of my distance to other cars since having to do that - but it reinforced some really dangerous behavior that would make me more of a liability than if I had just been able to use my brakes without fear of punishment.
I had a module in each one of my cars that state farm sent. I figured, what the hell, I'm a careful driver, I haven't had an accident in over 20 years, I might get an insurance reduction. Once I saw how the information it collected reflected the way I was forced to drive defensively in Atlanta traffic, i knew they were going to do nothing but count against me, so I got rid of them.
@@cjay2They are not whining, just telling their experience.
@@777AndrewR They reel you in by promising "low rates".
But on average: [about half of] people should should in fact get higher rates.
The Explorer that I drive shows the speed limit on the dash as I drive, taken from the Nav system.
It's wrong oh so very often. Either direction.
Are they telling insurance companies I'm speeding when the nav is completely wrong about the speed limit?!? (showing feeder speed limit while I'm on the freeway, a 20-30mph difference for example...)
When I stumbled on this channel it was the most enlightening event of my life. Go Team Rossman! You rock man, you tell it like it is. Keep up the good work!
I been watching you for years ! Today you had me laughing my ass off but you are correct ! Keep up the great work !
Truck Drivers are already subjected to this. And a lot more thats coming down the pipe for regular consumers. just wait.
one of the reasons i don't drive truck anymore. between the spying, dealing with shitty shippers/receivers and the no speak english drivers (which is illegal as to have cdl it clearly says you must know and understand english) it just ain't worth it.
Totally understandable in such a case, you should still be able to remove it if you want to though, without it being illegal i mean.
Truly a modern hero fighting for consumer’s rights we didn’t even know we were getting fucked on 😂 thank you for your research and passion for informing others of this bullshhhhhh….
Ty for the constant work on these mattera
Thank you for for making this extremely important video that absolutely everyone needs to watch!
This is informative and unfortunate.
The problem with organizing opposition, is that we have an entire younger generation that is perfectly happy living this way. They have never known privacy, and don't miss it. "Times have changed", is their inevitable response. They see the privacy push by "olders", as an effort to take away their convenience. They have already sold their souls.
Wrong. Plain and simple.
Gen Alpha and Gen Z care about privacy - Gen Z is just hitting the workforce, you think they’ve been able to find the time and finances to afford rallying for privacy?
I'm the Zillenial who recommends everyone to get privacy-centric/money-saving applications and acts as my circle's "expert". I missed the chance to get into computers during highschool, but that didn't stop me from keeping tabs on my data and staying up-to-date.
Ageism is not the answer, any generation can be oblivious to the dangers of giving away too much personal data, it's your job to spread the word.
I don't see the older generations caring about privacy. In fact they would post too many pictures on facebook. Imagine getting a call from your grandmother asking if it was really you who sent that friend request on facebook. I don't have a facebook.
They're not pushing back against privacy. They just don't know. Companies don't tell _anyone_ about this stuff. The less everyone (EVERYONE) thinks about privacy, the less pushback companies get for these new demented revenue streams.
And those of them who do know? What do you EXPECT them to do? They're in their early 20s, the vast majority struggling to make sense of a wildly confusing job market. They don't have the resources to do anything about it. How do they vote against this stuff when nobody on the ballot speaks out against it? Not enough people know about this for politicians to waste their time with it. Young people can't run for political positions; they SHOULD be able to, but I assure you they can't.
My nieces and nephews are a lost cause. They long sold thier souls to ShitTok.
I hardly ever do hard-braking or flooring the accelerator by choice, but because I _have_ to, and _often,_ just to prevent from being squished or being ran off the road. Hard-braking to avoid other careless baboons' maneuvers, and flooring it is almost required to get onto _any_ onramp or out of _any_ retail or eating establishment that's "conveniently" crammed in a mega shopping csnter on a busy 10-lane STROAD with hundreds of other businesses...
I just got off the phone with Honda trying to get these opt-in features opted out and thy're telling me they are unaware of any such a thing. I gave the person a lecture pointing out that the opt-in/opt-out section in the privacy notice provides a phone number to call and the people on that number don't know anything? I was on the phone for over an hour. The person on the other end of the phone said no one ever calls in to question the privacy policy. I've been told how to turn off the opt-in features.
We asked Kia about battery questions on our non plug in hybrid. No one has been able to answer us.
We found out it “charge” the battery you have to be in Eco. Sport uses gas.
Then we found out…..if you drive in Eco, you’re “driving aggression” is low. However, if you drive in “Sport”, your “driving agreement is shown as “high”. Is this info being sold & taken out of context?
This is located on one of our dashboard screens & is simi easy to find.
That's extra silly because it's well known that electric motors can have high torque with low reaction time compared to gas engines which have to gradually build up power.
These cars monitor everything, your conversations, etc. It knows exactly when your speeding on driving reckless. My truck on the dash knows what the speed limit is and displays it on the dash. Won't be long before there is a camera watching us.
There is already cameras watching your "gaze" so they know when you aren't paying attention to the road.
According to Motor Trend, "Many vehicles today come standard with drowsiness detection, which uses onboard cameras to track the driver's eyes, as well as sensors that keep tabs on the smoothness of driver inputs as well as their dexterity staying with lane markers (using the lane-tracking cameras also used for lane departure warning and lane-keep assists)."
@@jorge69696 Well dam I guess no more humping in the passenger seat
Not if I have anything to do with it... I would disable all that nonsense asap, if it were my car.
In the future every car will have a breathalyzer, it will test for more than just alcohol.
you're a world treasure man. Greetings and much love from france.
Thank you Louis 🙏
This is true about so many industries and its depressing to know that many people simply accept it as its something doesnt bother them.
Fair and balanced.
Thanks for this video. Very useful info!!! Now to call my insurance provider.
It also gives parent corporations an easy out to continue business as usual under a different name.
I'd love to see is Honda does this, all I've been able to find online is that GM does it but that does not mean that Honda does not do this. I have a 2022 Civic and would like to know if I'm being taken advantage of
Yes, Honda does this. In fact, Honda outright lies to you about doing this. Read the article Louis linked in the description.
I would go onto some Civic forums and do some research.. Surely there's some workarounds if they do.
Thats where we are going!!! To total control over everything
"The business of Google is not a search engine, the business of Google is knowing as much about you as they can know." ~ Nellie Bowles
- When the product is free, you are the product.
When you drive a Ford. You're supposed to inform your passengers about their audio tracking in the vehicle. Devils in the details.
yeah, I'd be clipping some wires to the mic... Fuck. That. 🚫
Information on this?
@@ripposty7535 Yeah, he can't just slap down a bold claim like that without any evidence. What even is "audio tracking".. like triangulating birds? :P
I FIX the darn things and I don't know about this, got a source I can look up?
There's more info on the Privacy Not Included website by Mozilla, but it seems to be more of when you connect your phone to the vehicle than anything
Anything with starting "Smart ...." in the title is probably best to be avoided these days... There's always some kind of shady shit involved, and I want no part of it. Been getting by just fine all these years, so no reason to start using stuff like that now. 🤷🏻
6:34 it's more than than, I think it's called operant conditioning - and what I mean by this is that it's not just a simple technology/tool meant to help you, but it is also conditioning your behavior via feedback loops.
This guy needs to run for president or something.
I have a 2017 Mazda 3, it uses an actual linux operating system for the infotainment system. Literally the night I bought it I SSH'd into it which was super easy as it wasn't even password protected and it was doable from any of the USB ports on the center console. I specifically did this the night off, because incase i couldn't or I bricked the car I fully intended to return it to the dealership. Luckily it all went smoothly and I still drive the car to this date especially since I've been able to make the infotainment system my own and completely removed all the "safety features" that where annoying and distracting while driving. I also intend to convert the car to full electric drive train in the future and replace all pre-existing computers with a single PC/Arduino i would rather stay away from CAN Bus systems since its incredibly outdated.
CAN Bus is not outdated. Single PC/Arduino?😂 Good luck managing so many control units via Serial interface. Research CAN and delete your comment to save embarrassment.
@@_xwtk And let's not forget that a PC/RPi/Arduino/etc. is NOT a robust hardware platform and doesn't have any provision for distributed fault tolerance or anything else that those of us that build safety-critical stuff have to deal with. Designing hardware and software for safety-critical applications is a whole different thing from writing a web app, and if you don't know offhand what ASIL stands for, or know what lockstep processing is and why you pretty much HAVE to have it for these kinds of situations, you've got no business whatsoever putting janky stuff like that into a vehicle that has to share the road with others. If you want to play with the infotainment system, fine, but DO NOT be dicking with stuff like drivetrain control that you aren't qualified to work with. And yeah, CAN is still quite relevant for new vehicles worldwide.
@@stevepreskitt283 Exactly. Not only that but a vehicle is full of electrical noises, CAN by design is very robust to that. Most people just don't know what they are talking about but are passionate to do something, or they try to show off their knowledge lol.
@@stevepreskitt283 you know cybertruck has scrapped can entirely and uses a single pc with ethernet connections for all major components, even steering and breaking is done via ethernet because it has a massively higher bandwidth and better latency than can. Can has not been improved since the 80 even Monroe points this out consistently at how embarrassed he is by the auto industry, and he is basically a forefather in the automotive world.
@@_xwtk you know cybertruck has scrapped can entirely and uses a single pc with ethernet connections for all major components, even steering and breaking is done via ethernet because it has a massively higher bandwidth and better latency than can. Can has not been improved since the 80 even Monroe points this out consistently at how embarrassed he is by the auto industry, and he is basically a forefather in the automotive world.
Root insurance tried their thing to try and get a better rate down shifting through the gears was considered hard braking
Thank you for always informing us about these things Louis, we can´t thank you enough, protect this man at all costs.
Wish our society wasn't so dependent on cars. It lets the manufacturers get away with shit like this. It used to be "If you're not paying, then you're the product." Now across the board it's "We own this part of you and we're always watching". Violating for sure.
That is why i love old dumb manual cars: no computer, no cameras, no microphones, no telemetry and complete privacy
Yep. My Mitsubishi van is still old school... 😊
They're great until they get outlawed, and don't kid yourself that is coming down the pike. They are already legislating that car companies will no longer be able to make gas vehicles.
@@Truth_Teller_101 Yep, this is what we have to fight for. They use the Climate Change Hoax as a pretext for banning gas cars. Fight for gas cars, as long as we have that, we can still keep repairing our old cars and have privacy.
@@alli3219 My Mitsubishi Colt 75hp from 1998 still goes strong. 156k km and not a single mayor breakdown.
You can import them from Mother Russia. They called them LADA s.
Thanks for making this videos 😊
Things like this make me very happy that I moved to an area where I don't need a car at all. [Gentrified area in an urban center in the USA.]
Thank you, keep working.
How does this work if you buy a used vehicle? Do they just keep tracking without telling you because the original purchaser agreed? And if this is the case can you sue them?
Most likely yes... and they'll use DMV records to know who you are now. No, they wont resend the Opt-In prompt when that's triggered. They'll blame the dealership for not "clearing the prior owners personal data" from the vehicle. (Yes, that's a thing...)
Buy an old OBDII vehicle. If has an infotainment , don’t. Too many bells and whistles , don’t.
Sounds like it's time to build my DIY E-Bike
I couldn't have said it better. Thanks brotha.
Every time I watch one of your videos I get two concomitant feelings: 1. Happiness that other people feel this way and 2. Internal rage at most if not all products and companies today. I hope you find the strength to keep your channel going for many years
On my previous Chevy car I tried the "driver score" system for about a week, it was impossible to get a low score. My 3 mile trip to and from work all on local roads was deemed too much stop and go, I guess I was supposed to ignore the stop signs and lights. I opted out of the program, but no idea if they were still selling my data...